The SA Forum Archives 2007-2010

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Topic     RE: Enochian Language     posted by Blue Dragon (Of Draconuit clan.) User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 08:05 PM      
 
Red Dragon, Guru, you requested I should alert you to any possible misconception:re: Your speech. I submit a different viewpoint: I do not know if mentioning Authors constitutes 'unwarranted,advertising' so, an excellent psychotherapist makes no distinction between psychotherapy and evoking the goetia; same thing, different words,:The Therapist can experience 'backfires', where, beyond reason; logic, he recieves the patients trauma! This is possibly what happened to your lady, or, just the strain of living with you, got to Her! Things widely understood are 'scientific fact, those not so well understood are 'occult', we're witnessing a greater convergance than ever before, as should be. My point is, Red, you may be an incredibly wise man, you can also behave like a twit when it comes to disretion; politics. You asked me to watch out for you, please be very careful about what you say in public! Respect, Blue.
 
Topic     RE: Enochian Language     posted by Red Dragon, User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 04:28 PM      
 
Absolutely in accord with you on this, Uvray, however,i, in my younger days made a terrible error concerning the goetia, my wife was 'driven nearly mad,' by 'it'--- That, a small example of the ensuing battle, my arrogance taught me grandly.
Now, having matured, I sit with my friends The demons; maybe political correctness will come up with an equivalent of homophobia for the goetia, then i can declare 'some of my best friends are demons!' As should be within the human psyche. So I understand what you're saying, Uvray, interesting. (Heavens! This forum is a marvellous concept, Like it!)
 
Topic     RE: Enochian Language     posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 07:25 AM      
 
The idea that the occult or magic is "dangerous" is born of a society permeated by faith-based religions. This indoctrination is far reaching. Fear and guilt is what destroys successful magical workings. The Magician is justified by the volition of his own will. He or she practices mastery of these forces, not subservience to them. It's rather like a relationship between two people - neither needs to be kneeling at the other's feet. Side by side, in congruence and mutual respect is the recipe for success.
 


Topic     RE: caution! peejay     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:51 AM      
 
I know what you are, anon, yet even mockery won't stop mankinds free access to knowledge most profound and spiritual. Eventually, man will be certain of his spiritual birthright, and you?
 
Topic     RE: caution with that monkey!     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:40 AM      
 
I cannot understand 'us', i understand peejay and the draco-typhon bloke, but you seem somewhat ill at ease with knowledge of a high order being given out 'free' surely a main reason for this forum? Dear anon, The 'Bastard sons of Enoch' won't go away, the knowledge has been given. Enochian magic/k has gained great popularity in the past 25 yrs. Monkey? Who or what do you represent to call a man of obvios spirituality that? 'Anon.' Please explain your reasoning, I'm sure 'we'd' enjoy hearing it
 
Topic     RE: caution with that monkey!     posted by Anon User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 07:06 PM      
 
And how is Prudence? It must be wonderful for you: having more experience than others, but even better for us that Prudence tells you to back off!Please give Prudence my regards.
 
Topic     RE: caution! peejay     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:08 PM      
 
"I will fight for occult freedom,"
 
Same here and have done for decades via opposing fundamentalism. I would wager that I have FAR greater experience herein then you.
 
Topic     RE: caution! peejay     posted by pejay User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:06 PM      
 
I still think you need to be cautious!
 
Topic     RE: caution! peejay     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 05:39 PM      
 
Caw! A genuine Thelemic Fighting Monkey!! Fantastic!
 
Topic     caution! peejay     posted by draconis343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:49 PM      
 
Dear Peejay, as a final gesture, might I humbly suggest that you practice these forms of psychotherapy, an excellent starting point, the goetia, then, Enochia. When you have this knowledge through experience, and a fellow seeker asks for an opinion, what will you do? I understand your point of view, which is, however, not mine. A Thelemite Warrior monk, I will fight for occult freedom, be it legal or other form. Prudence suggests, having blessed this site, I retire from contribution.Good luck, goodbye.
 
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Topic     Enochian.     posted by Draconis343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 08:40 PM      
 
Greetings PeeJay; I posted this observation, and so reply; Yes, I do indeed get where you're coming from, therein. And I do ask, my friend, where do we draw the line?
 
Topic     Caution!     posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:31 PM      
 
Forgive me please for saying this but I feel occultists need to be rather cautious today when throwing about terms such as “dangerous” magic. Not only have we a vast society out there based largely on Christian fundamentalist misinformation and suppression of the occult in all its forms (Hello Reachout Trust et al) but also a sensation – seeking gutter media that just loves to have ‘Witch ate my baby’ stories to titillate their dumbass readers with. Anyone know where I am coming from herein?
 
Topic     RE: Enochian Language     posted by Draconae 343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 01:33 PM      
 
Normally, in modern work, left to right; Dee & Kelly wrote the names backwards as they are so very dangerous, It is as effective and dangerous as goetic magic,and is really magic for the Magister Templi to achieve.( A Mag.Temp. is an adept who has crossed the abyss, his conciousness residing in the supernal.)As I'm sure you realise, you must be trained to a high degree indeed to attempt this, particularly the sex magick variations. Good Luck.
 
Topic     Enochian Language     posted by Amrit User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 09:56 AM      
 
I'd be interested in peoples experience or thoughts on how the Enochian language is written. Whether it's from left to right or like Hebrew, right to left?
 
Thanks,
 
...and a big thank you to SA for creating this forum.
 
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Topic     RE: *    posted by Puretongue User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 09:36 AM      
 
I'd heard this was because, at the time the figure was worked out, they hadn't realised the function of glial (sp?) cells, and had previously thought them to be essentially, shock absorbers.
 
Topic     RE: *    posted by Herne User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 07:38 PM      
 
In fact most of our brain power is taken by our sight, the Human race has the highest spectrum of colours, than any other living creature.
I think it was said by a scientist that it takes 60%-70% of our brain power to process all that information.
If you think on it, most computer games will take most of the computers memory to process all graphics in the game.
You must remember our brains are like computers, just think of all the programmes running in your head right now.
Your brain is running all your internal organs, remembering thing you have to do at other times in the day and weeks a head, and other skills you process, like reading, spelling and driving are but a few.
 
I remember what an old fool said? The next thing to a genius is madness.
Our minds can only take so much information before it breaks down, technically a nervous breakdown, if you look most people who consider themselves to be geniuses, some will have some sort of mental illness, in thier life.
A mental illness can take a very long time to get over, and when you do get over it, part of the illness never leaves you.
I know I been their, it took 14 years of my life, even though I got over it, its presents is still their till the day I die.
 
Don`t mess with your brain, if you lose your sanity, technically you lose your life.
 
Topic     *    posted by riceNpeas User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 04:26 PM      
 
A rumor thats done the rounds for the last few decades is we only use *power. Robert Anton Wilson added the word potential in front of brain power to break it open sum but i still find the idea fenced in. Would anyone like to throw in there 2 cents?
 
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Topic     Acceleration of knowlage     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 02:54 PM      
 
Well i hope its better than the Millenium bug, that was all a bit shite. I had a friend move to Somerset to be near his parents whilst i danced it up at a house party in Hackney. Bless, he did indulge in "vulgar marxism". Lol.
Wot does interest me is the experiments being conducted in learning. 2 sets of mice, 1 maze. It takes the 1st set of mice 10 mins to learn the maze. and the second set of mice seem to always learn the maze in a shorter space of time. They even bread the mice and seperated them by "intellegance". the 1st set of intellagent mice learn the maze and the stupid mice, again, beat the time. This experiment has also been conducted with monkeys on 2 neighboring islands and the same results occur. Still the research goes on. Ofcoarse serious occultist will be smiling at this time because once again science is playing catch up but how does this relate to the 2012 eschew?
Well in some circles 2012 is when the doors of perception will be flung open. When 1 of us lovely humans push the bounderies they beat out a path for the rest to follow. When enough of us have reached beyond our mechanistic living the rest follow with ease. The alignments ect. could also work with a mass change in consciensness as any one who has looked into magnetism and its effects will realise. I am a working class guy with 14 weeks Magickal study under my belt. At what other time in history could i have learnt so much so quickley.
OK it all sounds a bit wacky and yes, i am having a bit of a play by putting a positive twist to this thread, but seriosly. Which model inspires and where will you be Dec 31st 2012 ???
 
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Topic     20/21st Century     posted by Rex User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 03:57 PM      
 
I don't know about 2012 but many people have made apocalyptic  predictions and the like based on dates/years, always wrong
but certainly the World's history takes turns/phases, look at  the last 100 years or so, not only Wars but the political
movements, alliances, awareness of the environment, and change  in religious perspectives. The Wars themselves over the last
Century are horrific to think of, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam,  N.Ireland troubles, Falklands, Gulf 1 & 2, the 'rogue' states
Libya, Iran, Syria, Cuba...Now the Vatican is behind so many  Euro-States and recognised as a State in itself exerting influence
and control. In Gibraltar last year: British 20p coin has Virgin  Mary on reverse. Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism in our
cities, could you imagine that 20 years ago ?
 
Topic     RE: 2012     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 03:10 PM      
 
It would be interesting to see what Denise or others at SA think about this...I mean from the knowledge they have about the old ways and wisdom, occult universe, do they have an extra insight into this...'
 
I do know many that are saying they are sensing something, like it's not the same as it was in the 1980's that as soon as we got to late 1990's and passed 2000 everything seems different not right, or as secure as they once felt. Some I know think we will have world war 3, and then Ufo's will come and see us all off and take over....I leave that open to debate, lol, as I like to keep an open mind. But having said that I have to admit something is not right...the world markets are collapsing, government are controlling more than ever, and violence is becoming more widespread, nation is rising against nation.
 
Yes is this because the media are doing it all I mean focusing upon it, and for those of us in the Occult we know that the outer world is but a reflection of our inner self and balance, but we are also held to sway by fate and the planets. Many would say if you focus on lack you get lack, but I can't help think that in this case with world events that one can focus on positive things, you know as within so without, but that the events of the outer material world still flood in...'
 
Hope all that makes sense...I mean how much can we change reality by magick, even though magick is a question of focus which brings us into line with the synchcronicity we want to happen, I cannot help but think no amount of magick can override world events, government etc, though I believe government are using magick themselves...'
 
Topic     2012     posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 02:46 PM      
 
In that case, I strongly suggest we all stay in bed.
 
Topic     2012     posted by Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 10:25 PM      
 
The Milky Way Galaxy is the inspiration for the symbol of the Ouroboros. Myth refers to a serpent of light residing in the heavens. The Milky Way is this serpent, and viewed at galactic central point near sagittarius, this serpent eats its own tail.
 
The Milky Way galaxy keeps a great time cycle that ends in catastrophic change. The sign of the SUNTELIA AION (the End of the Age)is the sun rising out of the mouth of the ouroboros, which will occur on the winter solstice December 2012.
 
Topic     2012     posted by Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:59 PM      
 
Also the sun will reverse its own magnetic poles during 2012 as result of reaching the end of the current 11-year sunspot cycle. While most 2012ers concentrate on the big things (supernova, pole shift, everyone shifts to the nth dimension), perhaps a microscopic bug could be the cause of our demise?
Doc­tors are run­ning out of treat­ments for trau­ma vic­tims and crit­ic­ally ill pa­tients be­cause of in­fec­tions from drug re­sist­ant mi­crobes – even af­ter re­sort­ing to medicines thrown out 20 years ago be­cause of se­vere side ef­fects, sci­en­tists are re­port­ing.
Soon most, if not all, antibiotics will be ineffective, which is a shame, because modern western medicine depends on them a whole lot.
 
Unfortunately, our use of antibiotics to cause cattle to gain weight, has back-fired on us. Gordon Gecko was wrong. Greed is not good.
 
Topic     2012     posted by Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:34 PM      
 
December 21 — Winter Solstice at 11:11 UTC.
December 21 — The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, notably used by the Maya civilization among others of pre-Columbian Mesoamerica, completes its thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle since the calendar's mythical starting point (equivalent to 3114 BC August 11 in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, according to the "GMT-correlation" JDN= 584283).[8] The Long Count b'ak'tun date of this starting point (13.0.0.0.0) is repeated, for the first time in a span of approximately 5,125 solar years. The significance of this period-ending to the pre-Columbian Maya themselves is unclear, and there is an incomplete inscription (Tortuguero Monument 6) that records this date. It is also to be found carved on the walls of the Temple of Inscriptions in Palenque, where it functions as a base date from which other dates are computed. However, it is conjectured that this may represent in the Maya belief system a transition from the current Creation world into the next. ---To put it simply, 2012 is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order.
 
Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:
 
The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth.
 
Topic     2012     posted by Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:23 PM      
 
Headsapocalypse---2012 (MMXII) will be a leap year starting on Sunday of the Gregorian calendar.January 31 — 433 Eros, the second-largest Near Earth Object on record (size 13x13x33 km) is expected to pass Earth at 0.1790 astronomical units (~26.8 million kilometers; ~16.6 million miles). NASA studied Eros with the NEAR Shoemaker probe launched on 1996-02-17. June 6 — Second and last solar transit of the planet Venus of this century; the next pair is predicted to occur in 2117 and 2125 (see Transit of Venus, 2012).
November 28 — Penumbral lunar eclipse.
December 3 — Jupiter oppositions. Revelation... Apocalypse approacheth!
 
Topic     *     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 10:59 PM      
 
So then, anyone think anything significant will happen?
And why do I keep reading things on the net about 2012 intermingled with Christian belief - what`s it got to do with them?
 
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Topic     2012     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on July 20, 2009 at 12:52 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM      
 
Great Infoburst, does M cover this stuff in more detail in a oexp etc?
It has always puzzled me why Christian types add the 2012 date to their belief systems, I don`t see what it`s got to do with them.
I would like to see more of his opinions on these kind of things, I`d particularly like to know his thoughts on the old hippy conspiracy of the Hemp for fuel,clothing,medicine,paper,plastics,food and just about everything else.
 
Also if anyone wants a giggle of the 2012 variety try youtube for - I think it was called something like intergalactic federation of light. - this incarnation of Akhenaten really has let himself go a bit.
 
 
[INFOBURST: Hi Heads, Your right,the fundies always sieze upon every date possible to create panic in themselves and others.
 
Marabas's OEXP60 The Millennium Lie and Mind Control explains the psychology of End-Time and makes compelling reading particularly in the light of the governments misuse of the Global Warming myth to stampede the public into compliance with their wishes. If you are interested in this kind of self-deception then you should also read M's
 
Secrets of Mind Control which is EXCELLENT. Also see the
 
SAFF website which Marabas founded. BB Denise W.
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Topic     21st Dec 2012     posted by RGRE User
posted on June 13, 2009 at 02:36 AM
edited on June 30, 2009 at 03:36 PM      
 
Could Marabas give us his idea or understanding of what he thinks is going to happen on 21st Dec 2012? As it all seems very serious and I would really appreciate his perspective.
 
Many Thanks
Rob
 
 
[INFOBURST: People who do not understand cosmic forces are winding themselves up terribly with this so-called galactic convergence and its supposed prophecy by the Mayan Calendar which has in turn been worked on by those still in the thrall of Christianity as some kind of Armageddon. The point is that this flipping of the centre of gravity of the solar system is ALREADY occurring and has been for many years. The cosmos is always cyclic and those who think that During December 2012 it will 'throw a switch' and create an instant doomsday scenario do not understand the way that Chi pervades the universe. They are just the type of people to also sucker-in to the barmy idea of global warming. All living and inanimate things have been adapting to the changing gravitational force and the gradualness of the process will mean it will be for most people hardly discernible. There is expected to be strong sunspot activity the EMF from which will subtly affect the fluids in our bodies - but not dangerously more than we have already experienced during the peaks of sunspot activity in earlier decades. This galactic convergence is all part of an (nearly) eternal cycle so things will happen much as they have done before. Maybe an increase in the mutation of some genes or viruses but this goes on all the time anyhow. Marabas says that the impending doom of Armageddon type scares is a disguised projection of the inevitablity of one's own death and results from insecurity of purpose. An insecurity which any initiate who has experienced true magical things knows to be false.
BB Denise W.]
 
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Topic     2nd hand tarot cards opinions ..tarot course??     posted by Kimball User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 10:25 AM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 10:47 AM      
 
Hello, I was wondering if anyone here had any opinions about buying and using second hand tarot cards. I am also considering taking a tarot course at a centre down the road from me (led by a local spiritualist group). The deck thay require is the 'Rider Waite' (even though I like the Thoth as well). They say the learners will have to 'read cards' for the public to gain the certificate and I'm all for that, it's what I want to accomplish. When it comes to something like Tarot, is any kind of education viable? For all I know it could be wonderful, but I am slighly dubious. I'd like to get a certificate in tarot, but after years of study of the subject on my own reading Qabbalah books etc. I guess I'm afraid of what may happen if I go there and it's a so called 'lightweight' course. thanks, Moon ps: This is a great forum and I hope I did not offend anyone by asking questions about A. Crowley. They were honest questions and I know (by looking a the other posts) people here are very bright and would give an honest opinion.
 
 
[Infoburst: If you buy a 2nd hand tarot deck you can't be sure what psychometric vibrations they've contracted and should always purify/cleanse them before use by fuming them in
 
Purification Incense B2002 and reconsecrating them for your own purposes by using Marabas's
 
OEXP003 CONSECRATION CEREMONY FOR OBJECTS, PARAPHERNALIA AND PEOPLE Then you can start out with your Tarot deck perfectly psychically clean. This can be particularly important if you are a 'white' magician/witch and have obtained a pack which, unbeknownst to you may have been used in left hand path magic. If this operation is beyond your capabilities then buying a new pack is best
 
(See the Rider pack in our pricelist here)
BB Denise W. ]
 
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Topic     Truth.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 12:51 AM      
 
Hiya, and higher,
I must tidy up with All due respect.
I've met a lot of Magicians.
Frater Marabus, is the single (as opposed to an entire lodge)
most powerful, Artful, Magician I've ever met. Like a Dragon, I respect power. He is not vindictive, unjust or cruel.
With full respect, I say no more of Him.
I am as Thelemite as you'll ever find. My 'superior in the order', is Frater Marabus, as I see it. Blessed be He.
AUM HA!
 
Topic     New Aeon.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 11:25 PM      
 
Thanks for that, Rice, a ray of sunshine on a gloomy day for me, we all have problems.
Fr. M has always been there for me, I knew that if I ever needed serious advice, He's there. Stories:-) In '77, there were 2,000 magicians , high priests and novices, who'd gather at Stonehenge for the summer solstice, then Glastonbury, the free festivals.
1980 was brilliant! I was sitting with a fellow my age, a Magician: very impressive, in his trademark knee-length black boots, black cape etc. when this older guy came and sat at our fire, He said-"We've just done a working for you guys, behind the (Sacred burial) mounds." It's always been like that, Rice, "Lives of great men do remind us, we can make our lives sublime, and departing leave behimd us, footprints in the sands of time" (Hawkwind) 22,000 people turned up! The police gave up hassling us, and it was front page news! I went to Glastonbury, then hitched to a tee-pee tribe in the Welsh mountains. Man, I was
starving! A dear lady gave me some soup, (Bless you, wherever you are!) when the bushes parted and a bald top head huge white beard crashed through, followed by his wife, and a Brazilian couple. My
Guru! Didn't even glance at me. I hopped, open mouthed after him,
He said-"Where were you last weekend?" I, dumbstruck, thought 'Glastonbury' "Ah, Glastonbury" He said. An unsung Hero.
After 6 years of training me, He spent 18 months preparing, then entered the death state. So, all that is was meant to be. A LOT of effort by a lot of people. What surprised me was, things happened in the early 90's, which I thought would happen around 2,020!
It's real good to see thimgs taking off, in my lifetime. Shame
E.H. My Guru, isn't around to see it, (Or is He???)!!!
Must go, Enjoy! Best Wishes, nome.......
 
Topic     The Quickening.     posted by nome. User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 05:10 PM      
 
Yes Brother, You understand.
It is very pleasing, to see.
M is V. important.
I wonder what your generation will do?
Very best wishes.
S.A.O.S Thelemite chapter.
 
Topic     Acceleration of Knowlage     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 12:23 PM      
 
For Noome.
 
A Ramsey Dukes "What I Did On My Holidays"
 
"After reading the "Devil" rides out we see an advert for the Sorcerers Apprentice in Exchange and Mart and send off in trepidation for a catalouge of amazing inscense and wierd paraphinalia to read by tourchlight beneath the bedclothes with chattering teeth - expecting hell-fire to blast us at any moment. A few years later we have worked through WE Butler , Dion Fortune and plucked up the courage to read Crowley and are ready to argue the phycological validity of Magickal techniques with anyone."
 
From Ramsey Dukes "What i did on my holidays"
 
Times are changing Noome. The proces of stripping away the Glamour is quickening leaving us free to indulge in Glamour at Will. I wasnt even born when the S.A. opended its doors so to me what came out of Burley Lodge is as important as Crowley or Regardie works. The Bronze age didnt happen in three days nor was it down to just 1 person. Your generation has spawned my generation and so the cycles within cycles turn.
I would like to give thanks to all who met in Burley Lodge for pushing us forwards that extra step.
Let no limitation, Be are only limitation.
 
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Topic     RE: ACHEIVING ASTRAL PROJECTION     posted by Onu (Draconuit) User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 07:52 PM      
 
Yes, at these levels, the Ka is independent, a higher state is of being in all parts of the world simultaneously.
From that position one can visit a lodge in California as easily as in your locol town/city, in U.K. To Astrally project, simply Will it, at say, 12 noon, State to youelf that you are going to astrally project that night, let that thought, enhanced by a Ritual of intent, to strengthen proceedings,
roll through the day into the night Aethyr.
Surely it is a matter of pure willed intent, assuming the neccessary prana is available.
When in trance state, try swinging your legs, as if in a swing, you may well rock yourself out, Such adventure!
 
Topic     RE: ACHEIVING ASTRAL PROJECTION     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 12:43 PM      
 
The Raising of The Citadels in 1996-1997 set off the following:-
 
Having just got into be in pitch darkness I found myself lying in the local greenbelt on the other side of the River Cole looking up at the starry which were very clear and sharp I could make out the constellation of Taurus the Bull and the Pleidies very clearly and prominently. I stood up presumably in my astral body but it felt very heavy and I felt sick and weak and felt that I should walk up to the hospital but the more I tried to walk to the hospital the heavier and weaker I felt. I then started to spin around and around like a spinning top and emerged through the ceiling of the bedroom that is also used for my magical experiments. The whole room was lit up brilliantly so all could be seen. In the North East of the room there was a faceless figure in a dark Robe but did not feel menacing in any way. I then woke to full consiousness In the Pitch Black Room because the windows had been sealed to exclude the entry of light and realised I had experienced a sponataneous projection.
 
Other experiences include walking by the River Rea along the back of the bushes in Cannon Hill Park but more favourite and more reoccurant walking down my long back garden at night towards the big trees at the bottom and then having a tremendous struggle trying to walk up and getting back into the house again.
 
But what do these expereinces have in common?
 
I think micturation!
 
They are all places were one is likely to be caught short and urinate!
 
and when I woke up I did which to go to the bathroom!
 
TRicking the mind and programming with the need that it must do something at a certain time may be a clue to gaining controll over AP.
 
As I am above the weight I should be I thought that the struggle with being out of body was due to that but now I think it is trying to move with ones legs rather than ones mind and will and this may be a key to progress in the future.
 
Also stars: my rising sign is Saggittarius 10 degrees so the stars on the Descendant would be Gemini and under the horizon Taurus hense the stars I saw during my projection were the stars close to the Descendant and I am just thinking that by visualising the constellations around ones decendant one might get a quicker transfer to ones double.
 
But thinking like an Ancient Egyptian perhaps the ka cannot move far from the body unless a link to the body is provided in some way like blood cells from the micturation process but transfer to the higher level of the ba is necessary for total mobility between the levels and to do this one needs to look upwards to the heavens of the tuat to click to that level.
 
Topic     RE: The fat can't fly!     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 11:55 AM      
 
The reason I said that is because all of those that I know of who are naturals for Astral Projection are almost cadevarically thin. In all fairness I have to say that has only been a few.
 
Since the time of my last entry have had one spontaneous experience and now I think that the difficulty may be that you still think that you are in your body and try to move with your everyday legs when in actuallity it it the mind and the will you have to work with not the legs in that state!
 
Obviously you are a natural and have done it since early on. Despite being interested in the occult since the age of twelve I have had more of my fair share of the mirk and mire to cast off and only now in middle life can develop the way I have always wanted.
 
Topic     RE: Any good Astral projection/Lucid dreaming tips?     posted by Karen User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 08:39 AM      
 
Well...I've had periods of frequent lucid dreaming, followed by long dry spells. I haven't done it in a while; and haven't really found any good way to "induce" it. Different methods work for different people, I guess; for me, either it happens or it doesn't. My first lucid dreams, however, occurred shortly after I moved to Seattle after living in Phoenix for a year. So maybe what I need is a significant change in climate, or something (LOL)...
 
Topic     RE: Any good Astral projection/Lucid dreaming tips?     posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 05:38 PM      
 
Marabas says Simplify, Simplify, Simplify. Why don't you do what Salvador Dali used to do to get those amazing images of his from the Astral? He clutched a coin in his hand, laid down and just as he dropped off to sleep his hand would relax and he would drop the coin, the dropping coin alerted him just sufficiently for him to regain lucid dreaming consciousness and give control over his visions. Some people put the coins on their eyes and when they enter REM sleep they fall off in the same way. Try it - I did when M told me about it and it works a treat. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Any good Astral projection/Lucid dreaming tips?     posted by StephenW User
posted on March 16, 2008 at 01:09 AM      
 
One very useful technique that I have discovered by accident for using a lucid dream as a starting point for attempting astral/etheric projection is to select an object in your lucid dream environment (e.g., if this is a bedroom scene then it can be any suitable small object) and then imagine that it is being slowly pulled towards you as if by an invisible string. The mere act of imagining this will of course have the effect of moving the (astral) object in that way. Only apparent motion takes place in an astral environment as the scene shifts itself to accomodate a RELATIVE motion between the object and your own position in the lucid dream, and the force of imagination expended and the currents set in motion sets up stresses which have their effect on your astral/etheric envelope. This method has the added advantage in that fear, tension and other psychological factors will not be present as impediments as would normally be the case if one were attempting to rise out of the physical by any direct means. I have tried this myself and I swear that it has a powerful effect in drawing the astral/etheric further out of alignement with the physical.
 
Topic     RE: The fat can't fly!     posted by RP User
posted on February 25, 2008 at 08:55 PM      
 
Hey hey! Is this why fat people are being charged double for their plane tickets? It is interesting that you say that fatties are no good at AP; they could try bouncing like yogic flyer's or try flapping their bingo wings!! Well I don't know if there are any truths in these assertions but I think that you are right when you say about thin people having better luck at it. I am by no means overweight but when I was just a thin boy, AP was a little easier: but I think I was more light headed and far more sensitive and dizzy. Most systems of yoga advocate that we aim to be on the lighter side but that does not necessarily mean thin.
 
Conversely and speaking personally, I have noticed that my will strengthened as I put on a little weight as well as my ability to study.
 
Topic     ACHEIVING ASTRAL PROJECTION     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 06:16 PM      
 
From my own experience with the Aurum Solis System of Magic that I experimented with during 1996 and 1997 regular practice or an excersise like Raising of The Citadels along with the banishing rituals will tend to after some regular practice cause spontaneous OOBES but curiously, for some reason very thin or underweight people appear to be the best at it. Heaviness seems to impede progress in that arena.
 
Topic     Any good Astral projection/Lucid dreaming tips?     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 08, 2008 at 05:31 AM      
 
Does anyone have any good or little known tips/knacks for astral projection and/or lucid dreaming? - Please share, thankyou.
 
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Topic     RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar     posted by P.C. Dummy. User
posted on August 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM      
 
This is really good, really, very good for all Aspirants to have a looksee; quite a gem!
Beautiful imagery, Many thanks!!!
Best wishes ;)
 
Topic     RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 18, 2008 at 12:13 AM      
 
;)
 
Topic     RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar     posted by P.C. Dummy. User
posted on August 17, 2008 at 11:18 PM      
 
Great! Erm, wallpaper or tooth-paste?:)
Thanks, all the best.
 
Topic     RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM      
 
Copy and paste to address bar???
 
Topic     RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar     posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 17, 2008 at 02:55 AM      
 
Wot? Can't understand what to to do with this.
Best wishes.
 
Topic     Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 16, 2008 at 02:06 PM      
 
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=901218279
 
Topic     RE: Aleister crowley: Great Beast speaks audio     posted by Paul User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 01:14 PM      
 
Thanks for the link. :)
 
Topic     RE: Aleister crowley: Great Beast speaks audio     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 03:47 PM      
 
Thanks Annon
I recently brought the Golden Dawn audios by Isreal Regarsie from Originalfalcon. Great stuff
 
Topic     Aleister crowley: Great Beast speaks audio     posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 06, 2008 at 10:24 AM      
 
Attention all Crowley fans:
 
Robert Anton Wilson has put the Great Beast Speaks audio CD
on his website as an MP3 download. Hear the actual voice of
Crowley on 11 tracks. downloads in about a minute !
 
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Topic     The Anon one. A rely.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 30, 2008 at 03:08 AM      
 
There you are! Aw, all that work and you want to destroy any validity it might hold. Actually, for the benefit of The True.
My new, long awaited Time is just about ready. I had some spare time, and noticing very little other than gossip, not all, dear Brother/sisters, on this thread, tried to convey a little fragment
of what Thelema means to me. A scrappy attempt, but for a few, a little may be of some service. Thanks for your input Bryan, or 'anon' as you prefer, but really, I waited for hours, and you didn't read what I wrote! However, to clarify, fully, as 'I' am on a communal p.c.
my name is not written down, 'I' can dissapear, erase.
To address your comments, I met my Guru, Glorious! in'75, in 79,
I met the physical aspect, an old rogue, who had recieved the word ;) He threw back his head, uttering THE signal. He spent six years teaching me, I became an Adept in '81. He prepared and entered stage 4 of our meditation,death. That in '87. After devoting my life to the Great work,I prepare to finish my cycle. One is simply a servant of the star and Snake. '88. I survived, and
managed to reconstruct myself; '89. I considered Frater Marabus my superior in the order. When my time came, I believed He was there in Spirit, aiding me. Bryans comments: 'High' and 'mighty'. It is, to my mind,- :(not being a teacher,just listening, giving opinion if possible/relevent:) of my personality:- entirely
irrelevent as to how one is percieved. It was/is essential that one performed the tasks, as a cell within the organism. I do not want recognition, One has taken an oath, and aside from my good witch friends, some male magicians, and all those who spend their lives in Spiritual pusuit, The Point of being aware,i think. Something about teaching kittens? Sorry mate, u lost me at that point. I adore mature pussy's:) but confess, when push comes to shove, One is a hardcore doggy lover;) O.T.O u say, I like bits,:) dislike other bits,:( I agree with Crowley on that,) I don't confuse the vehicle/man with the works He produced, re: the point.
OTO:- One is not of that herd mentality, they do fine without me:) u
mention the R.A.C. or somesuch. One really does not consider this the right place to discuss their services. Seriously;) I've learnt a lot in my time here. I'd lost my sense of humour, but it's returning! The Simpsons are inspired! I've met some amazing guys, and Denise, you are One, canny lady;) Hard job, I see why you are Fr. M's scribe. No doubt I'd enjoy listening, and talking with you.
Thanks, now, some goodbyes, and I must depart. OH! Don't believe a word I've said, unless you have personal experience, please.
I hope I improved my communication skills at the end.
Light, Life, Love and librty to All.
 
Topic     RE: Churchill and bus stops.     posted by A nonny mouse. User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 06:57 PM      
 
Crowley/Thelema now second down on second page.
How, dear Sir, would you explain the '93' current, to a neophyte, please.
Perhaps we could all benefit, a worthy reason to contribute.
 
Topic     Churchill and bus stops.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 06:49 PM      
 
See page two, Crowley/Thelemism, at top of page. The other articles are interesting,to my mind, too.
 
Topic     Pardon?     posted by A Nonny mouse User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 06:44 PM      
 
Sorry, have I missed something here? Unless there are pages so old they're not available, but you've recorded them, I can find no reference to anyone claiming to be oto or RAC, A A or Churchill.
I read of solo working, and the simile repeated ad nauseum by adepts world wide that the Guru appears when ready.
As a reasonable man, you may wish to carefully examine the statements again, and, if you will, consider a motive other than ego, the thing all true aspirants wish to discard. Thefore, why bother commenting at all? The reason first given, perhaps?
 
Topic     RE: Pliskin42's destiny.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 03:42 PM      
 
I do not believe that genuine OTO members would speak so openly about the issues raised by this thread. Some of the information that has been put around 'pundit fashion' is quite repugnant 'Oh I am so high an mighty, while you little kitten need to learn from me, the greatest ( Lol with false modesty!) of adepts!' Self styled Thelema and massive ego's do not reflect the true 93 current.
 
Aspirants should beware of anyone who openly claims an OTO or A..A.. membership, whether to show off or to score points against other forum users. As is so often the case, those who have the most to say often know the least. Anyone can bedazzle the uninitiated with a dozen references to Crowley's works!! Stop talking and start doing is a piece of good advice. Guru's do not find people at the bus stop! Get on the bus and make the journey to find one.
 
Topic     Pliskin42's destiny.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 06:43 PM      
 
Greetings Plisskin42, I'd rather hoped some one else would have added their unique viewpoint, however; You seem to want your cake and eat it too! Firstly, there was the O.T.O, offshoots have developed,
As mentioned, The O.T.O. is much like The Freemason order, you pay dues, join in ceremony, socialise. You are well looked after, as
you merge. I cannot reveal current expected donation of excess properties etc. as they may have changed, or no longer apply.
Once you are in, you're in.
As mentioned, The solo Thelemites are of a different ilk.
The solo Thelemite practices, studies alone, learning self reliance. A good all rounder is Crowleys, 'Magick'. The
Soul of this type will eventually travel within other regions, learning
from beings,of varying type, invoking Gods within these regions of the psyche. One does learn a great deal, therefore, solo.
For The Solo Thelemite thus trained, the Guru now introduces
himself, at, say, a bus stop at Croyden. Bizarre? It could happen.
And so, Brother, what is your choice? The O.T.O.? I recommend the
original order. Or The solo path? Let's look at your number. 42,
Here, all is hotch potch, the life force is ego, the rushing wind of thought whirling around, forming little dust devils of thought.
Yet all is not without hope! For the 42 Gods and Goddesses of jugement enter stage.I do NOT advise invoking these Gods/Goddesses, at this stage, more experience is desirable. The Happy ending,
to this simile. If you centre youself, you will find the epicentre of the whirling wind, a tightly, closed in on itself, Spiral.
This state of self realisation leads us to the High Priestess,
The 13th path, connecting Tiphareth, with Kether. : The Higher self, or true soul, with God head. One might consider, The Holy
Guardian Angel Itself. Good luck, One hopes things go well for
you, from your declaration of readiness, Brother, I'd expect you're in for quite an adventure!
Best wishes.
 
Topic     The Thelemite system.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 02:40 PM      
 
One must clarify previous comments:
The four Great Princes of Hell, are, in reality, most Holy beings, who, rather than accept their due reward, choose to stay until all of Humanity is enlightened. This is called the Bhoddisattvic oath. (Their is a deeper level explanation, these words are for the beginner, the curious, an explanation
intended to be understood easily.)The Princes control the unpleasant inhabitants of hell, they, themselves, are not 'evil'.
However, there is no reason to bother them, until Adeptus point.
(To the 'wise': Iknow, I know: this can best be discussed on higher plane terms, however, the beginner may find this concept new, eye opening, put this simply. An attempt at clarity.)
Having studied Thelema for decades, I simply cannot accept
them as the work of a drug addled wastrel.
If we look at his works, we find (a) His diaries. (b) Instructional works, I.E. Analytical works, such as Liber Aleph, where dreams, moral stance etc. indicate the implementation of a Utopean society. We, Humanity, can achieve this ideal state of harmonious co-existence, one day. 'The only way to change the world, is to change yourself.' (c) Holy Books. These were transmitted from above the Abyss, beautiful love poetry unto God.
These may be termed 'automatic writing' as a term readily
understandable. (d) Liber Al. This style of writing does not read
like any other work He produced. His claim is that it was dictated to Him by metaphysical intelligencia. It is so unusual, that Crowley, then a devoted Bhuddist,
had great diffuculty accepting the instructions.
To the Beginner, I must say, please don't believe me; I only
truly believe that which I have personally experienced, although
you may consider my viewpoint as 'possibly useful.'
I believe it entirely feasable that, 'Gods' did appear to Crowley, and issue orders concerning physical, and further, work
to be performed on the Earth plane.
Such an honour! Such a burden!
For those interested in study of Thelema; All available (I.E. in print) works are available from S.A. Remember the legend of the
brass God, built with feet of clay? It fell over. So it is with
the foundation of the Temple. If the foundation is not solid, neither is the chance of success. 'There ain't no such thing as
a free lunch.' There is a certain joy in planned physical work, to
obtain the clean cash to buy an esoteric work, surely this effort is the foundation of the book. The knowledge within? Priceless!
If you can't afford £15-£20 for a decent book, can you not save £5 per week? Do you enjoy beer? £2-£3 per pint? Why not forego a couple of pints, know that you have earned your reward.
I may appear to be preaching, however, if you are to enter our higher orders, you will be examined, thoroughly, in moral correctness. A hint.
Best wishes to All, D.
 
Topic     Uvray's comment.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 10:17 PM      
 
I intended discussing a moral chicanery, however, having read Uvray's comment, One is compelled to respond.
Dear Uvray, I have attempted to study your system, and have per-
-formed a core ritual. Have you studied the Thelemic system?
I agree entirely with Denises comments. Further, might one add
clarification as to our structure?
We are required (in order to pass a grade) to perfect our moral training, righteous action, noble aspiration. Then we ascend unto Tiphareth and union with the H.G.A. We accept and perfect as able our
Humanity. Apon achieving union with the true soul of one's self,
One evokes The Four Great Princes of Hell, that they swear to look up to, and respect the Adept, as one does look up to, and respect,
One's God. It becomes apparent, at the first ascent unto Yesod, that, as one does make acqaintance with the Angel of that sphere,
one must take into consideration the complimentary opposite of that sphere, the demon. By our art, each idea, dies in the counterclasp of it's opposite, transmuting into one new element,
transcending the original two. To attempt further clarification:
Of those whose destiny require that they cross the upper Abyss, it is said that, as the Adept does understand the universe in an entirely different manner to previous conception, so do the rules change again. In the Supernal sphere of Binah, a thing can only be true, if it contains its own complimentary opposite within itself.
Therefore, in strict control, as studied in morality, etc. One
at this sphere, is, as of cosmic law, in Binah, and master of the corresponding qlippothic sphere, 3. The chosen Prophet of certain
metaphysical intelligencia, transmitted, "my Adepts,have their
heads above the Heavens, their feet below the Hells."
I gather, in his workings, He would be equally at home in each sphere. Why would He choose to wallow in the dark side of life,
I believe that was the image you projected? Brother, I
have no disagreement with satanism; Do what thou wilt, an attunement with the inner self, to my mind, whatever the (Reasonable)path, is surely a life well spent.
However, you mention prominently the vehicle's; Crowleys, prediliction for, then legal, drugs. I do NOT condone the use of drugs,Yet I do not understand why His private life preferences, makes His works any less enlightening?
Oh, we weave a dark web to repel, to attract, to test.
Perhaps you would like to reply Uvray, I'm curious, I can't grasp the humanity you seek, seriously brother, I want to understand Satanism further, this time, from a person. I've outlined our structure, Yours? Best wishes.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by ann B User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 09:01 PM      
 
Hi Denise yes I agree the words were unfortunate but this tends to be a soap box of mine. I have the Grimoires and play them quite a lot though they are getting pretty scratchy now.
 
I have just begun to form a circle like to build it up with trusted people.
 
I hope the recipient of the words I wrote wasnt too upset as perhaps nuthouse doesnt have quite the same emotion to him
Take care everyone and keep learning
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Ann B User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 05:40 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM      
 
UVRay, please oh please dont use the word nut house As a retired RMN this word is totally abhorrent to me, these are human beings, yes their dark side comes into view but they are terribly unhappy misled people Drugs are of course a curse and should be avoided if at possible but most start as children as they try to live up to their peers and their often horrific home life.
Be gracious to people with problems.
Aleister Crowley was a great magician a poet of great quality and a deeply troubled person Also he was lost in his own image that people gave to him. There is no proof he sacrficed animals only his shock methods. Perhaps he did perhaps he didnt but learn from his obvious mistakes It is hard to give up being famous even if it is unpopular
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi Ann, UVRay's comments were unfortunate but generalisations usually are. Actually Crowley did enter into his diary two instances where he 'sacrificed' small animals in an attempt to test out the claims of some ancient grimoires. These experiments should not be misread as a proclivity for sacrifice, rather the reverse. After realising that it was unnecessary he to our knowledge never sacrificed any more. However as is the usual way with the British sensationalist media these two instances have been worked up into the 'fact' that he continually sacrificed animals of all kinds - a complete untruth. In reality Crowley's chapter on The Bloody Sacrifice in 'Magic' illustrates in metaphor that the only real 'sacrifice' that is of use to magicians is a much more subtle release of life-force that does not involve killing anything. BB Denise W. ]
 
 
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Topic     O.T.O.     posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM      
 
Does anyone have any information on the difference between O.T.O. and Albion O.T.O.? The wikipedia entry does not refer to Albion O.T.O. and the respective websites each do not - so far as I can see - relate one to another. If I wanted to pursue Thelema as a solitary practitioner but with the guidance of an Order - what would be best?
 
Topic     O.T.O.-Golden Dawn.     posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 02:33 AM      
 
As has been pointed out to me, I should clarify that the first order of Thelema, which The O.T.O. call the Golden Dawn is a convenience, which may need to be changed.
The Thelemic G.D. is nothing to do with The original Golden Dawn.
The Golden Dawn, after a period of dormancy has re-formed.
To avoid confusion, please consider the first order of Thelema as The O.T.O.
I expect O.T.O. are pondering on this.
As I was initiated immediately into The Higher Orders, I have little to do with these politics. Best Wishes to All.
 
Topic     A.Crowley-The second Order.     posted by ONU. User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 12:30 AM      
 
Greetings Brother/Sister. My idea was to explain, in terms the semi-learned student could grasp, the Thelemic arts of sex magick,
with copy-right as of S.A. as One has that authority, and Magick must change with the times:- "The resistance to change is intellectual death."
However Utopian the ideal, reading a post on 'S.A. suggestions',
displays the inadvisability of this.
This Art, practised for 12-18 months, is a 'higher' experience,of absolute clarity, than a continuous pure 'cocaine+L.S.D.'experience,
(If you can imagine such a thing) a transcendent power which may be given to others. It appears that A. Crowley's original observation
still applies: "It seems inevitable that our greatest power, will fall into enemy (Black brothers) hands. For ultimately, it requires only concentration; and even the brute-man is able to concentrate.
However, I would rather see a world governed by both black, and white lodges, than the (Then) current innefectual wishy-washy
lack of order." However, I am not prepared to release such, into this admirable forum, as undesirable, to my mind, elements infiltrate. I have no right nor inclination, to block the path even of the entirely black magician; I am not the cosmic chef,and
do appreciate the existance of light/dark. It is rather the half-
-hearted shell types; the parasitic obstacles to the average Aspirant, which, as such, I shall not feed.
One is glad that One paused to consider these matters fully.
No doubt, I shall bequeth my secrets to the S.A. apon achieving stage 4 of our Thelemite meditation;( Physical death.)Until then;
Light, Life, Love and liberty to All.
 
Topic     Crowley/Thelema.     posted by ONU (draconuit.) User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 05:45 PM      
 
I note that this thread contains a lot of disinformation, sheer confusion concerning this matter. Perhaps this may be of use to some. Thelema consists of Three orders, The Ordo Templi Orientis;
( O.T.O.)apparently descendents of The Knight Templars,formed in
1894, which soon accepted The Golden Dawn,currently The Outermost: visible order of Thelema. They work much as The Freemasons do, in
physical matters, implementing Aleister Crowleys Utopean style life. The emphasis in this, the largest Order, is on achieving knowledge and conversation of The Holy Guardian Angel, The Atman,
The True inner soul of Man, The Will. One practices in Group Ritual,
fraternises in Lodges,. The mainspring is Sex Magick, learnt from The Knights. After rising through the grades of Astral Mastery, Qabbalistic learning, and final moral instruction, One does perform
the required techniques, overthrow the ego-self which limits,and
oppresses the true self, rescuing and awakening the princess, one's own female self,(or vice versa), who then leads one, through the Astral Planes to the edge of Space, this, as textbook:- rising, if one be a musician,hearing the most magnificent music imaginable, unto unity, as a Star, within, and a part of infinite Mind-Space.
It is this revealing of The True self that constitutes Adeptus Minor. For The xstian, this would seem to be 'The Goal', it is
rather, the beginning of a new adventure, as one is admitted to The College of The Holy Ghost; The Order of The Rosy Cross, where One does learn New Magick. One does not have to be in The O.T.O to
achieve this, some people like working together, chatting, they are, affectionately sheep. There are those who are goats, the lonely mountain leapers, learning maverick self reliance through Solo practice. Such a Person tends to be initiated by The Gods, until The Fates introduce a Guru.
I shall consult as to whether it seems viable to continue this outline; if yes, I shall carefully preview the learning within The 2nd order, with physical examples.
Love, Light,Love and Liberty, to All.
 
Topic     Crowley/Bush conspiracy theory stuff...     posted by David User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 03:13 PM      
 
If you're bored, check out these couple of links, or just google
'Aleister Crowley, George Bush' etc... Wonder if there's anything
to it ? The Barbara bush photo does look a bit like the one of AC
in the top hat. hmmmmm? David.
 
 
 
 
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html
 
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=39&contentid=4506
 
Topic     Last days of Aleister Crowley     posted by John User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 11:27 AM      
 
Nice article I found reminiscing about Aleister Crowley's
latter days at Netherwood, hastings. Hope some of you
will like it too.
 
Best, John.
 
http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/articles/03/1001231.html
 
Topic     Gematria.     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 04:26 AM      
 
Greetings Denise, a huge apology if I have misused the great knowledge of the ancients! I decided to rest from contribution, as I was displeased at my recent entries; However, Rectificiando: To put right that which is wrong: A person made sarcastic comment on gematria,'Anon' may have been mocking, and/or asking "what is this?" I replied with an interpretation of the numbers quoted, my point being that which you have so concisely, and precisely explained: What gematria is. I have responded to "'93' to you," or suchlike; in fairness then, this number is at the root of Thelema, Aleister Crowleys 'Religion' (some consider it a philosophy.) It means The energies apparent in the New Aeon. As I understand it, Marabus calls these 'New Aeon Energies' without restriction to one Religion. In Thelema, 93 is a formula also. Anyone interested in studying this further,e.g. Qabalah, will find all relevant information at S.A. Happy New Age Energies, and a Happy New Year!
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Denise W User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 01:01 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:17 PM      
 
There is so much Gematria in this thread that it is becoming obfuscated so here's the world's shortest primer on Gematria. With this anyone can read the replies in this thread and get the gist of what contributors are saying if not the actual concepts.
 
Gematria is a qabbalistic method of analysing the meanings, symbolism and synchronicities connected with words which all have the same 'root' number. All letters in ancient hebrew have a number value and therefore all words by numerical reduction or addition of their letter-numbers also produce cosmic root numbers. When these root numbers coincide it indicates a special relationship between the words and the things the words denominate. These root numbers can be used by initiates instead of words to convey certain cosmic concepts which would be amgibuous in ordinary English. Gematria is considered an essential method of extracting maximum meaning from ancient Hebrew holy texts which are often allegorical and the words used chosen originally by scribes to disguise the true messsage initiates wanted to convey. It is particularly useful in understanding The Word of God in the old testament. Unfortunately of late gematra is being mis-used as a kind of encryption system to exclude people not in the know. Naughty!
 
Anyone can work out the gematria of any ideas and words using the qabbalistic techniques outlined in Regardie's Golden Dawn but Crowley refined the technique further and produced a Cabbalistic reference work called Liber 777 which is an essential list of magical correspondences and also includes Sepher Sephiroth, Crowley's own gematriacal dictionary where most of the magical words used in his system are ready-converted to gematriacal numbers and can be read straight off the page. Liber 777 is available from the S.A. Goto http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm and scroll down the page to Liber 777.
BB - Denise W.
 
Topic     Crowley.     posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 26, 2007 at 07:59 PM      
 
Greetings. I do not usually drink alchohol, however at the time of previous entries ,I was drunk; stupid, to the extreme.
What can be learnt? I shall post a new 
Topic for debate.
May all attain.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 06:32 PM      
 
TO DENISE-WEBMASTER-I can see no value in my previous three postings to the site browser; seeker of Truth. Please simply erase them as a waste of space, (if you will.)
Concerning my personal voyage of self discovery; THANKYOU! For creating this site, Which introduced a fellow seeker; Al 156:THANKYOU!And a BIG 93!
Best wishes to All!
 
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Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 06:32 PM      
 
TO DENISE-WEBMASTER-I can see no value in my previous three postings to the site browser; seeker of Truth. Please simply erase them as a waste of space, (if you will.)
Concerning my personal voyage of self discovery; THANKYOU! For creating this site, Which introduced a fellow seeker; Al 156:THANKYOU!And a BIG 93!
Best wishes to All!
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 06:36 AM      
 
Al Babalon156- I owe you a big 'thankyou; I didn't know of the Blake/Red dragon connection, I've just viewed the 3 paintings:Red Dragon and etc. The 4th; The number of the Beast Glad I met You, 156. Light, Life,Love and Liberty, to Thee and Thine!
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 05:09 AM      
 
Alannah Babalon156; Apologies, please disregard previous: describe a painting?Describe a sunset! I looked up 'woman clothed in sun' via a thelemic library; OH. And Red dragon; OH.
Hope you enjoy xmas, and a Big 93 to you!
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 12:08 AM      
 
Greetngs, again; I've read but fragments of Blake; I'm fascinated; Red Dragon and woman clothed in Sun, can you please point me to appropriate book, or, preferably explain the basics on site? Why am 'I' Red Dragon? An inner revelation as to my true nature, is coming; I don't object to this aspect going 'on site,' if you don't mind explaining: If you feel( and I respect your judgement,)that I should read this privately, cool, But I feel like a child with an xmas pressie! Woman clothed in sun? Please do tell!
Unto Our Lady: BABALON!156.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 11:34 PM      
 
Thankyou; Your knowledge of Qabala, the basis of all medeival magic, and your spell casting thereof is illuminating! 379? Thankyou, 42dd; thanks, but done 42, double d? 2 daleths; hmm, can't accept that one, right back at Ya! 417, many zeros, and completion in one! Ah, brother, one day, one day, lovely thought though. 93000, well, of course, inevitably! How refreshing to converse with you, rather than a man intent on mocking that which he cannot understand,the very reason our powers are veiled in numbers, though 'evil' or 'good' can use them, if they have the intelligence and will to learn; I'd rather see society governed by 'black' and 'white' lodges, than fools whose greatest contribution is to alert others to the very real need not to succumb to qlippothic human impulse.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 11:06 PM      
 
Sorry I assumed that possibly your moniker had been influenced by the painting (The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed In The Sun) by writer, painter and mystic William Blake.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 01:06 PM      
 
Yeah great! I wish you 379, a 42dd a and 417000000000000001 r ?? Happy 93000
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 12:47 AM      
 
Thankyou, Allanah Babalon156,that's nice. Actually I've considered myself to be 'Red Dragon,' since chidhood, I saw myself in '95,skrying , looking into a blank t.v screen,as a smiley dragon. Blake? William? Would you be so kind as to explain the connection,please? Happy 93!
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 12:04 AM      
 
Red Dragon (love the moniker by the way, a Blake fan per chance?) your 93 sounds great from where Im sitting, and 93 back to you. :-)
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 11:30 PM      
 
Sorry, I should have written 'previous 'tosh' written, Allanah Babalon156, Visitor, Denise,previously things were unbalanced in favour of tittle tattle damnation, ignoring the fact that Crowley travelled the world, gathering together fragmented esoteric truth, and reformulating magic into the Magick which underpins modern workings. Things are balancing out. As Allanah Babalon156 would put it: A Big 93 To All! (Hope that's o.k, 156, it sounds Good!)
 
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Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Red dragon User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 11:03 PM      
 
Thankyou, Denise. It's good to hear some straight talk, concerning the man. A natural occult/mystic by birth, life moulded me into the 'perfect' Thelemite. (perfect? Ha!)I chose age twelve to break out of the 'bubble' I was in; figuring that the methods i planned on would mean I wouldn' live past 45.so I studied Bhuddism, mescaline,(legal.) The Egyptian Gods, The Etheric Planes, becoming a full Qabalist Magician; Not Enough! I found Thelema, Thank IT! And it is my life, my humble contribution to The Great work.I have read The booklet you recommend, I found it concise realistic, a 'fair' descptive read concerning Crowleys work. It is certainly a refreshing obective 'reality blast'compared to the (to my mind) 'tosh' written on this page.Those interested in 'The Truth'concerning Crowley,could certainly find a 'fair indication' in the suggested work. Light,life,love and liberty; May All Attain. P.s, I reached 45, the old 'me' died, leaving a more serene me, alive and enjoying it!. AUM.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:45 PM      
 
Hi Visitor
 
Thanks for the reply, Thelema means a helluva lot to me too, and I owe a lot to it and to how its shaped me and my life. So a big 93 to you, and to everybody here have a merry christmas and all the best for the forthcoming 2008! :-) May it be a magickal year all round!
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by visitor User
posted on December 22, 2007 at 06:43 PM      
 
Hi, just visiting for the holidays, spent most time looking at this site! I agree with you on all points here,Allanah, Thelema is my 'Religion', but it's maybe diffucult to see, for many; look at all the bad press on this page. I'm gonna have to quote a passage! I keep thinking of, the verse of liber Al,c.1-v.10. I looked at all those verses quoted on 'welcome' page,then it like found its climax and finished! Do you know 'liber porta lucis'? That sums up my thoughts on this. Yes, this religion has totally served my needs, it suits me perfectly, but a load of people can't stand it,choosing to point to the faults of the 'prophet', rather than read the profound, Holy writings. As is their 'will'. I can tell you're well versed on it all, I hope you have a full enriching life with Thelema. Watever your Religion/philosophy, I wish One and All; Happy Holidays. I'll looksee whats happening next year!
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Denise User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 02:51 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM      
 
Hi all, Just like to point out that when Crowley was taking drugs they weren't illegal in the U.K.
 
at the time and MANY artistic and cultured people were experimenting with mind altering
 
substances to see how far it would ehance their creativity. The use of Absinthe, Cocaine and
 
Heroin was easy and widespread (far more than in the 1960s), witness the creation by Conan
 
Doyle in 1981 of the fictional Sherlock Holmes complete with regular Opium habit (albeit
 
frowned on for health reasons by Dr Watson!). Drug taking at that time did not have the same
 
pejorative overtones that it evokes today so we should be careful by what yardstick we judge.
 
Crowley was a dysfunctional middle-class hypocrite who would probably not deign to speak to
 
most of the people who now follow his teachings, yet to try to dislocate the innovations,
 
discoveries and syntheses he fostered from occultism today would be impossible. It is a given
 
of the human condition that lives lived to the full always end tragically so pointing this out in
 
Crowley's instance doesn't really help the debate and rather misses the point of what these
 
geniuses sacrifice so the rest of us can learn. Crowley clearly knew this which is presumably
 
why he chose the outer order name of Perdurabo - 'I endure'. Anyone who has been fed the
 
'Wickedest Man In The World' anti-Crowley propaganda should read Marabas's OEXP063
 
Crowley and Human Sacrifice Smear which you can download instantly right now from http://
 
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm (scroll down the page to OEXP063) because it is
 
probably the best overall research which blows apart the idea that Crowley was some kind of
 
Black Magician.
BB, Denise Wadsworth, Scribe to Marabas
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by paa! User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 06:10 PM      
 
The mumbling nonesense in 'Magick Without Tears' and the third rate Thoth tarot deck are evidence only of his rapid decline. Drugs and poverty destroyed the man.The important thing is not to confuse the man with the message!As someone has already said, he was a total wastrel but his contribution up until the age of around forty is a sufficient legacy to have bequeathed to the brethren. Apologist's for Crowley rarely do him any justice, they just exaccerbate the existing confusion. A lot of people like some of his stuff but not even - most - Thelemites like all of it!!
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:31 PM      
 
Never met the man and so do not feel able to comment having only opinions nth removed to base my view on.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:21 AM      
 
The details of the man's life are irrelevant, its the legacy of his works left behind that matters and thats what should be judged. And that legacy of works is still being explored to this day by various people in the occult field. Luciferians, chaos magickians, Wicca, to name other groups working in the magickal field have all been touched or influenced in some way by the man, and have borrowed heavily as well. There's few very parts of occultism which hasn't been touched by the influence of Crowley, his shadow towers everywhere.
 
The drugs, et al are just another part of the story, and one that even modern society misunderstands. Sure ol Uncle Al liked his stuff, but why shouldn't he? Do What Thou Wilt, if it works in harmony with your Will then why not?. This is a man who utilised various substances in an effort to break down the barriers between the mind and magick, to explore what connection these substances would have under a spiritual basis of inquiry rather than strictly a medicial way. Drugs may be a double-edged sword of exploration but Crowley knew this and went for the spiritual basis rather than just having a rare ole time under some mind-altering substances (and also composed some well-written and thought-provoking essays on drugs way before Burroughs, Huxley etc, witness his essay on hashish, one of the best ever written). His asthma unfortunately was taken care of early in life with opium, one of the few drugs still known to help the passageways of the lungs. So there's no doubt he'd have problems later in life when the habit-forming workings of opium, heroin etc weren't exactly well known at the time when it was presecibed. As for Netherwood, the place of residence in his latter years was far from a broken down old boarding house, in fact the way it was regarded at the time was not of an inferior place, quite the opposite.
 
If any proof of the man's genuis was needed in the latter years (and the nonsense of him being a worn down old junkie at the twilight of his existence put to bed for all), I give you The Thoth Tarot, one of the finest decks ever brought into creation with Lady Frieda Harris who's images to Crowley's instructions still dazzle my eyes despite being a veteran of the deck. Filled with qabalistic data, astrological, alchemical and other knowledge painted on the cards, its a complicated deck to get to grips with, but the sheer energy contained within the cards slowly pulls one in. Also "Magick Without Tears", which despite being judged as somehow simplistic, is still one of the few serious books on beginning the work that a beginner can access very easily. Written in the shape of letters to a student, the book is a wonderful little collection of informational tidbits regarding the differing avenues of magick.
 
He brought much more to the party of life than what he took away.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 09:17 PM      
 
Just because he was going through a drug induced bad time does not mean Crowley was exploring the darkside - if anything the darkside was exploring him
 
lvx
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 09:13 PM      
 
But at least he was not a satanist
 
Topic     Crowley     posted by NEMO User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 07:06 PM      
 
One has to laugh. I am a Thelemite, high rank, this disinformation concerning 'Our uncle Al,' was created specifically so his detractors would long remember and revile him, printing his works long after his transition(death.)Thank you so much, his sacrifice was well worth it!
 
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Topic     Crowley     posted by NEMO User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 07:06 PM      
 
One has to laugh. I am a Thelemite, high rank, this disinformation concerning 'Our uncle Al,' was created specifically so his detractors would long remember and revile him, printing his works long after his transition(death.)Thank you so much, his sacrifice was well worth it!
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 06:37 PM      
 
Exactly. Crowley was NOT a Satanist. We consider him a complete and utter wastrel.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 05:10 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:31 AM      
 
An erroneous discussion. Crowley was NOT a satanist - much of the slander comes from the media and from Crowley's own desperate antics, after he went bankrupt. He was incapable of having employment and his only hope of continued existence ( in the style to which he was accustomed! )was to prostitute himself in order to scrounge off rich people.
 
Before he squandered his fortune, Crowley was a far more genuine magician in what came to be the tradition of Golden Dawn Magick. His own brand of Thelemic Magick is once again NOT satanic but unofficial and uninitiated readers,groups,mavericks and charlatans have labelled him as satanic for their own misinformed and misguided ends.
 
Crowley was a great success but a great failure also.He was tragically all too human.His writings have to be approached in this way to avoid the pitfalls which have been alluded to in previous postings but he was always a magician of the light even if at times he found himself plunged into the pits of darkness - but isn't that exactly what things like heroine and cocaine do to people? Surely the example of drug use in our own time should inform as well as caution us about what some people term the dark side.In point of fact, yes we do have a dark side and part of our journey is to rise above it ( the dark night of the soul comes to mind here! ) not to immerse oneslf in it as if it were the goal of magick as the satanists do!
 
Do What Thou Wilt
 
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Well said Lvxmagician! - Denise W.]
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 12:12 PM      
 
I do not suggest we should not confront our dark side. But we must work pragmatically with it. Accepting it as part of our nature does not excuse such practices as torturing animals, as Crowley did.
 
As I said, in my opinion, a successful magician does not destroy themselves and everyone around them as Crowley did. It is not successful practice if you end up suicidal, in a nut house or addles with Heroin as Crowley did.
 
As an ordained priest in The Church Of Satan I can tell you our philosophy is centered on acceptance of man's true nature - not on denial. But that does not mean we should act negatively because of it. Human beings still have a responsibility to themselves to forge ahead positively and productively in their lives - this is the essence of vital existance - to bring happiness into our lives; a happiness that is fundamentally grounded in emancipation from herd modes of thought.
 
Scapegoating is what faith based religions do in excusing the actions of wastrels. The successful magician accepts his dark side and makes it work for him by positively.
 
It's quite evident that Crowley wasted his obvious talents. By all means I think one might take something positive from his endeavours - but to go down the same road as him would be total failure.
 
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Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 10:38 AM      
 
I really cannot agree with all this bad attitude towards Crowley! I first became interested in the occult at the age of 12 though did not begin to experiment until much later but even at that age I had a strong instinct that Crowley was a peron of great validity in magic and aquired the Thoth Tarot Deck at the age of 13 which I still possess many years later. Ok yes he does explore the dark side but remember we all have a dark side and it is better to confront it and acknowlegde it and integrate it rather than try to pretend that it does not exist. I have read Book 4; Magick in Theory and Practice; Gems from the Equinox and the Book of Thoth as well as his novel Moonchild and find him to be one of the best and most brilliant occultists if not the best and most brillant!
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 08:00 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:28 AM      
 
Like most things, there are aspects of Crowley's philosophies, ideas and practices that are of interest. But personally I think he was, over-all, an idiot. The cruelty to animals is simply inexcusable and is the kind of sadism that would suggest he had serious psychological problems underlying his actions.
 
For all his efforts he ended up financially broke, friendless, destitute and drug addled. He left a trail of destruction and unhappiness in his wake for himself and everyone involved with him.
 
Hardly the pinnacle of a successful magician.
 
In effect, I see Crowley as someone who never actually shed the skin of Christian indoctrination. To all intents and purposes he was actually heretical - rather than free of the shackles. Heretics are actually more in bondage than anyone else.
 
"The Beast" monicker, if I am not mistaken, came from his mother who labeled him as such as a child; the horrid little thing he apparently was.
 
 
[Infoburst: That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater UVRAY - you are not accounting for the excesses of Genius. Crowley 'sacrificed' his life in a welter of magical extremis. Some of these experiments had to have had a negative effect. I agree with you, his character WAS appalling and he was anally retentive. On one hand he was a product of the British class sytem and would probably not have given house room to 90 of the people who now follow his philosophies, yet at the same time he was an absolutely brilliant magician and attempted to reorganise and concatenate the entire spiritual and magical development of humankind into one sacred magical and philosophical method. The astounding thing is that he actually achieved most of this ambition. His influence on the modern magical revial is unsurpassed. As for ending up a wizened drug-soaked tragic figure; well, that is part of the Human Condition and we will all join him there eventually! Crowley was many things but 'idiot' wasn't one of them. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Aleister Crowley     posted by nimmo User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 12:30 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:17 AM      
 
Greetings to all on the Forum. Regards Aleister Crowley, I have several of his books and enjoy them very
much but some aspects of his life are rather
off-putting, eg: 1. He writes about sacrificing animals in some of his works, killing pigeons at each point of the magickal triangle comes to mind, as does crucifying a frog. There is also the story about the scarlet woman and the goat (bestiality) in some biographies. Where did Crowley learn that killing animals would help his magick ? (from grimoires, or the Golden Dawn, or Monotheist religions)..I see rather sadly that the
OTO American website says it does not condemn animal sacrifice as it is an ancient religious tradition. 2. What were Crowley's motivations for calling himself the Beast 666 if not for shock value ? It seems rather infantile like teenage rebellion lasting into adulthood.
That 666 might have been some Solar/Qabalistic number might be plausible, but tagging the word Beast onto it makes it seem rather silly.
Any ideas on these subjects would be greatly appreciated. Regards, John.
 
[Infoburst. According to John Symmonds (Crowley's biographer - "The Great Beast")it was Crowley's MOTHER who termed AC 'The Beast 666'.
She was presumably offended by AC's impiety. Ever the one to shock, Crowley adopted it. Crowley did not advocate killing animals - but he experimented with doing it to find out whether the old and traditional sacrifices outined in many grimoires and religious tracts (Orthodox Christians still sacrifice lambs at Easter for instance) were of any value - they werent and so he found another method which avoided it. Sounds like you would definitely benefit from reading Marabas's OEXP63 on Crowley and Sacrifice.
You can download it instantly right now from here.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm Click on this link and scroll down to oexp063. BB Denise W. ]
 
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Topic     Alex Sanders Qabalistic Cross     posted by ethericsoul User
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Hiya
 
I heard a cd with Alex Sander's doing the Qabalistic Cross. At the beginning he spoke what sounds like "Keteena" also he seemed to do the ritual in a different way than I have come across. Anyone have any info on this?
 
Thanks
 
 
[INFOBURST: I think the recording you are referring to is 'A Witch is Born' which was a revolutionary offering in Sanders' heyday. Alex Sanders was a product of his time and his system, (later termed Alexandrian Magic and unjustly benefitting from beginners confusing the name Alex with that influential centre of classical occult philosophy and learning at Alexandria in Egypt!) was somewhat of an hotch-potch of occult ideas. Marabas always criticised Sanders for mixing symbology and ceremonial from monotheism and pantheism. For example his magical system borrows heavily from The Key of Solomon grimoire (a monotheist magical manual) yet is supposed to be pagan! Similarly his use of the kabbalistic Rose Cross Rite sits at odds with the pagan cosmos. I cannot remember the exact wording of A Witch is Born but I wouldn't consider it to be a purist introduction to either Qabbalism or Paganism. Sanders did some really stupid things to get publicity in the 1970s which brought the Craft into disrepute but exonerated himself somewhat later. Marabas says he was more of a show-man than a shaman.
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Topic     Aleister Crowley: World's Tragedy     posted by John User
posted on June 18, 2009 at 10:05 AM      
 
The World's Tragedy, available at the following link
with some extracts below quoting the 'Holy Trinity'
for those with an interest in why Crowley was so
anti Christian read the preface which explains his
religious upbringing and having to still tolerate
'Cold boiled Jesus' into adulthood.
Hope this will be reprinted again soon...John
 
http://www.io.com/~secret/oto.org/collected-works/worlds-tragedy.html
 
THE VULTURE:
Yaugh Waugh!
Butch! this is terrible
That all these people should be happy -- Pss! --
Without a thought of Me!
Ga! Ga! the plague
Rot them in hell!
Cramp! Ague! Pox! Gout! Stone -- Hoo!
What shall I do to stop it?
It's sin -- sin -- sin. I hate them. Oog!
I want them to go groaning
Over imaginary ills
With white eyes twisted up to Me,
Where I sit and croak
And snarl! Ugh! Faugh!
I'm Yaugh Waugh!
I'm Yaugh Waugh!
 
 
 
Ga! Oa! Hoo! Hoo!
Scratch!
I must invent a plan
To ruin all this gladness.
Ha! Plup! I have it.
There's nothing here
That would accept my favours --
 
 
Uck! Bulch! --
So I'll abuse myself to chaos
And see what comes of it.
Ha -- Ba! Ha -- Ba!
Ab -- ab -- ab --ab -- ab!
Utch -- what is this?
Coagulated yolk of the addled egg
Of chaos! Hatch it out!
That's why I AM. Hoo -- hoo -- hoo -- hoo -- hoo!
Oh! -- now the white of the old egg is curled
Into a ragged fleece.
Ga! Ga! I've got a son:
What will it be?
O heaven -- a lamb!
I'm Yaugh Waugh, Yaugh Waugh.
I'll call it Yaugh Shaugh Waugh.
Good! Can you talk,
First born? -- I'll never have another,
I'm Yaugh Waugh, Yaugh Waugh.
Bow to me, you lumpy lambkin!
Haw! Haw! Haw!
Now at last a wooden thing
That will do my business for me.
Uck! Uck! The morning's carrion
Bubbles in my paunch.
I am belching dreadfully.
What? Uck? Uck? How strange!
For the windy vomit of me
Shapes itself into a sorry
And bedraggled pigeon.
Birdie, have you got religion?
Yes, he bows most properly.
Come then, let us take our counsel
How to stop this sad behaviour,
This gross impropriety,
Irreligion -- Uck! it's awful.
Squat, then! Pigeon, you're the youngest:
You speak first.
 
 
THE DOVE:
Almighty father!
I have magnificent
And sublime and noble scheme.
Listen! I will find a woman --
 
THE VULTURE:
Oh! you dirty-minded rascal!
 
THE DOVE:
Wait a moment -- I will do it.
Find a virgin -- if I can,
And on her beget this lambkin
In the image of a man.
 
 
THE VULTURE:
That seems complicated, pigeon.
We've the lamb begotten here.
 
THE DOVE:
Yes, I know; it seems absurd;
But in practice I am certain
It will work out splendidly.
 
 
THE VULTURE:
Well, proceed!
 
THE DOVE:
Of course I will;
I'm accustomed to "proceeding."
Let the lamb grow up to manhood
Then we'll have him whipped and tortured
And eventually killed.
 
 
THE VULTURE:
That sounds lovely.
 
 
THE LAMB:
Do you think so??
I record my vote against it.
 
 
THE DOVE:
Stupid! in a day or so
We will have you rise again.
 
 
THE LAMB:
Really! I may be a dullard;
But I cannot see the point
Of this most elaborate nonsense.
 
THE DOVE:
Well, you will. We'll make a rule
That anyone who disbelieves it
Shall be strictly prosecuted
-- With the utmost rigour
Of the majesty of law.
THE LAMB:
And if any fool believes it --
 
 
THE DOVE:
He shall come to live with Us.
What a privilege!
 
 
THE VULTURE:
Provided
He observe propriety,
Never laugh, never dance,
Never do the dreadful thing!
 
THE DOVE
Precisely so!
 
Topic     Mercata     posted by AnnB User
posted on May 07, 2009 at 02:58 PM      
 
Endor Macata as you see I have feeling a lot better now and how on earth am I protect myself from people who dont read things properly not once had I said he was evil he is never portrayed as evil in eith of these novels I read or in the Scarifiers. In this show he tends to be a nice quiet eccentric person who helps the good guys fight the bad.I have been a witch for more years than I can remember with a special protecting from the wizard Mazkuth who I knew very well.If I keep on being attacked for trying to help and probably because Im elderly I will resign from this forum with great reluctance Having connected with Denise and others who are very knowledgable
 
Topic     Aleister Crowley     posted by AnnB User
posted on May 07, 2009 at 02:47 PM      
 
There are plenty of books re Mr.Crowley the fact he was a free mason is well,in my library (very small) they have a new book about him but the bigger libraries are better for selection I do have his Magick Book and read a biography about him he is a very interesting man because no one knows the truth about him History tends to go round corcers for instance Richard 1 LionHeart hero and all round good egg was never in this Country so poor old Robin Hood never got his pardon.This is a light comparison about a man who revelled in being called Evil, if he hadnt done so perhaps he would have faded away like many of the Golden Dawn names of the day. Now please dont write to say Im against him just trying to put it into its text For all of that he is a really interesting man.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley Evil     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 08:48 PM      
 
Sorry Anne if my comunication is poor, Im teaching myselves to write (not always with success). My comments were directed at the title of this thread not any one post in particualer. My point, which i'm sure you'll agree is, just because someones charicter may not gel with our own does not in any way discredit there work. Jim Morrison springs to mind! But also i point towards the possability that Crowleys charicter can not be pinned down on account of him being a Magician.
 
Smles
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley Evil     posted by AnnB User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 04:41 PM      
 
I meant to put this on the end of last message
 
In order for the light to shine so brightly
The darkness must be there
 
AnnB
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley Evil     posted by AnnB User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 04:31 PM      
 
I was critising Aleister Crowley but just pointing out how his name is always popping up in literature. These two books were pure fiction based on actual people who had lived.
I have read all his work. and have his Grimoires on tape so how can I not be a believer in what he states.Have never denied this if you took the trouble to read further down you would see I mentioned he was in the Scarifiers as a help to Professor Dunning.A novel of fiction again The are good books to read perhaps for escapism Also I have never claimed that he was evil
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley Evil. Lol     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on March 18, 2009 at 05:53 PM      
 
I met a Feminist once who hated Einstien because she says "he was a bastard womaniser", but she wasnt arrogant enough to dissmiss E=MC2!!! Seriously now.. judge him for yourself on his many styles of works and not the relative position of someone elses experiences.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Aleister Crowley Evil     posted by endor mocata User
posted on March 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM      
 
No definitely not! There has been so much evil lies said about Crowley! The Great Beast was inspired by the Book of Revelation but he knew of course that there was much in organized religion which enslaves people the devil was invented by the priests to create fear in the minds of people so that they could be more readily controlled by the temporal power of the priests in effect sqashing all the magical potential out of them like flies splattered on a window. (If a spirit tells you its the devil suspect it might be the evil spirit of a dead priest). Aleister Crowley is one of the greatest adepts and it is best to regard the Great Beast as a Lion of Light (remember his horoscope has Uranus in Leo in the first house) as thus he is a liberator of the souls through his magical teachings. Years ago I got the Thoth Tarot along with the book of Thoth it is very advanced and requires in depth knowledge of the Kabbalah in the Western Esoteric Tradition and the inner meaning ot Thelemite Jargon which is easily misiterpreted by the shortsighed in a negative light. To get a clear understanding of Thelema Jargon I can highly recommend a marvelous book by Lon Milo DuQuette Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot in conjunction with reading the Book of Thoth. Read Crowley's Poem One Star In Sight that should make evident what Crowley was really about. Also the secrets of Mind Control form SA willdo much to throw of the final shackles of our indoctrination and make our problems with the establisment very clear and Oexp 63 for SA. People should grow up it would be nice not to see any mor crap vilifying Crowley's name. As years go on his greatness will become even more evident.
 
Topic     Aleister Crowley     posted by AnnB User
posted on December 19, 2008 at 06:33 PM      
 
Up he rears again in two books I have read recently in the 1st he is very apparent alongside the author and perhaps Satanist Dennis Wheatley who knows I have long wished to ask my Aunt as she worked with him in the War but I know the reply I would most probably get so will not take a chance anyway he is very involved in the first story and is indeed quite magical.
The books are by F G Cottam
1st book The House of Lost Souls
 
2nd book I peronally preferred Dark Echo about a haunted ship very scary and utterly brilliant. If you read them at all let me know what you think.
See you all well and thriving in the New Year
Many Blessings.
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by AnnB User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 09:15 PM      
 
Hannah no its not really a tree but its a way to describe it
If you manage to imagine a flat piece of line which dips down into a form of ditch and then up again until flat again
 
Much like a valley perhaps thats a bit better description of
 
1st grief bereavement down into depression anger then acceptance
Ive probably confuse you more but as my family always say thats the one thing Im really good at
Take Care Dear and Blessings
 
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Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Hannah User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 11:21 AM      
 
what is "The Tree of Life" in Psychiatry please?
 
Are you referring to the Kabbalistic Tree?
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by AnnB User
posted on October 05, 2008 at 05:43 PM      
 
Hi Paul I do hope you enjoy them. It will leave poor Crowley alone for a while talking about something else.
 
I hope you get to be happier just follow the tree of life as used in pyschiatry to let people see that when youre down the only way is up again anger depression hope acceptance its all there and works in time.Meditate listen to music I have one to play when my back is really bad its called Gentle Rain all it is is the sound of rain and birds another one is the sound of the sea just like soft angry
I think I may be waffling as the morphine has been highered
so will sign off now Many blessings and happy times
 
A
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 10:47 PM      
 
Dear Anne B,
THANKYOU!
I don't understand most 'ordinary' humour, I have the feeling
I'm in for a treat!
I need to laugh again!
Blessings,
Serenity-One<>All
888
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by AnnB User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 10:16 AM      
 
Hello yes its on Sunday @ 6 for half an hour the second story started last week so it will be on the website for the week
perhaps it would be better to hear this episode first so you know whats happening? also try Brightonmaconimom? on Sat starring David Warner if anything this is weider than scarifiers great fun
I sit in bed alone giggling if seen will be appearing at the local hospital five minutes up the road, where Im well known having donre my stint up there before moving to work in a drug clinic in London
Take Care and enjoy
AnnB Many blessings to everyone Special hugs to Denise a great girl
 
Topic     RE: Aleister Crowley     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 02:17 AM      
 
Dear Anne B.
Greetings, hope you're well.
The series you mention:- The Scarifiers, sounds a hoot!
I've found BBC 7, would you be so kind as to tell me, on
which day, at which time this series is broadcast?
Hope so!
Many thanks, in advance,
Serenity-One>All
888
 
Topic     Confessions of Aleister Crowley     posted by Alex User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 07:31 PM      
 
I'd recommend reading Crowley's own autobiography, or autohagiography (biography of a saint !) before any
other bio of the man. He is totally down to earth in it
and explains the bad press he got in a conversational
style. It is also a great look at all his adventures, not
only Magick, and often hilarious to boot (the haggis hunting
episode at Boleskine, etc). - Alex
 
Topic     RE: Crowley, evil?     posted by luck9 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 11:55 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM      
 
many many thanks for such a greal explanation........really helpful and yes, it does matter id theywere lovers, as it explains the man in opart and I am an avid admirer of Regardie and also wish to better understand his works.........know the man....know his works.........
 
 
[Infoburst: If you want some more clarity see
 
Marabas's OEXP063 Aleister Crowley and the Human Sacrifice Smear - it has a true perspective of how the British Establishment demonised him to try to undermine his message. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Crowley, evil?     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 02:58 AM      
 
Hi,
No, I really don't think so. He actually had a very strong sense of humour: Unfortunately, He grossly overestimated the intelligence of the average man; so He'd crack a joke to the press, who didn't have a clue.....Whoops!
However 'There aint no such thing as bad publicity'. He ensured that His works remained remained in print, even if to vilify the man!
In His own words, as memory serves:-" I must weave a dark spiders web around myself." The 'web' is full of blinds, double, even quadruple meanings. To comprehend 'Thelemism' the Religion He founded,, One should have a grasp of Qabballah, Bhuddist-Hindu yoga techniques, and a knowledge of the procession of Egyptian Gods. I was at a loss as to the next stage, until I found Thelema, though I suspect it found me, was waiting, even! Why the scary facade? Firstly, to scare off the unworthy;' evil to him who sees evil'.
Further, if an evil man misunderstands His work, the blinds protect the sacred mysteries, (but not the evil man!) Lastly,(?) the earnest seeker must be brave, to fathom the truth of it all.
Crowley was a western occultist, very different to the Eastern mystic, though like so many occultists, his early years were mystic, to a degree.
The mystic attitude is 'life is sorrow, so I'll ignore it.' He sort of cuts himself off from the waist down, thereby validating the demon. He also dosn't care as to the nature of the phenomena he encounters, as long as he gets results.
The Western mind, explores his nature, accepting and transmuting it into as perfect a form as he can. He investigates, scientifically.- It might be pretty hard to get fun out of existance, but it's not impossible! I like 'Uncle Al's' comment concerning the mystic attitude as:-" Yah boo, foxes shall go brushless!."
He means that, treated sensibly, One can enjoy the beauty One is endowed with. I, for instance, do not deny the tendancies of my nature, locking them up in a cell in my subconcious; would they not fester and erupt someday? I try, to transmute my tendancies into a goodly form. If a part of my nature can be likened to a wild stallion, rather than build a fence against it, I train that nature into a good riding horse. One must distinguish, however, between One's personal tendancies, and those imprinted by events in One's life.
Crowley's 'wickedest man in the world' title, is pretty standard behaviour for a Blue Peter presenter, nowadays!
Well, I hope this gives some food for thought to some.
Serenity-One>All
888
 
Topic     Aleister Crowley     posted by AnnB User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 08:15 PM      
 
It is of no importance if these two men were lovers they are hardly the only people it makes no difference to the their ideals or practices. There is a very good book about Crowley (cant remember the title) where Crowley tells his tale, believe it or not is up to you He is a very interestin man as his tapes reveal. I listen to them quite a lot.Your take on him he leaves entirely up to you.
But there is also a brilliant series on BBC7 called the Scarifiers with Inspector Lionheart and Inspector Dunning,In it Aleister Crowley is hilarious completely off the wall.So perhaps the author of theselittle stories knew him quite well to take such a liberty
 
Topic     Alistair Crowley was evil?     posted by luck9 User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:32 AM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 02:17 PM      
 
Though I admire him in some ways, I have read so much negative stuff ref him and Israel Regardie...I don't know what to think!
 
How do you guys find Crowley/Regardie?
 
Is it true they were lovers?
 
[Infoburst: Does it matter? BB Denise W.]
 
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Topic     RE: Altar Direction Witchcraft     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on February 17, 2010 at 02:50 PM      
 
hiya
 
Thank you for this information it has made it all the more clear for me now.
 
Topic     Altar Direction Witchcraft     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on February 15, 2010 at 10:08 PM
edited on February 16, 2010 at 01:28 PM      
 
I am a bit confused with the Altar Direction within Witchcraft, some say North others say East, and then for rituals of Banishment, in the West.
 
 
[Infoburst: Greetings ethericsoul. What you have to remember is that much of modern witchcraft is promulgated by people who do not fully understand that of which they speak and many similar written inconsistences have crept in to Wiccan worship due to an indiscriminate pick-and-mix of quite separate traditions. Marabas teaches that people who follow the Old Religion in the British Isles (Witchcraft)use the Norse Pantheon of Gods who reside in the North and the altar is therefore placed in the North to honour them. In the classical Pagan Mystery Religions of the Mediterranean area which are usually developments of sun-god worship the Altar is normally placed in the East for that is where Sol rises. The tatvic tides run East to West with the apparent direction of the sun therefore in magical systems using a Sun God, (E.G. Ra, Mithras, Apollo, Zorostrianism etc ) one would banish to the West. Of course if you live in the southern Hemisphere this all changes and is particularly confusing in Oz but I assume you are based in the Northern Hemisphere and would benefit from studying the
 
S.A.'s legendary Occult Year Planner for background on when, where and how to work your rites. properly. BB Denise W. ]
 
 
 
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Topic     RE: A MIRACLE!!!     posted by windymiller User
posted on October 11, 2008 at 10:05 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 04:39 PM      
 
Just seen it on ebay. Sheer class! Just love the music that goes with it!! :-))
 
 
[Infoburst: Nothing to do with the S.A. I hasten to add - though Marabas did once posit the idea of a selection of cookie cutters in the silhouettes of the Illuminati (joke!) BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     A MIRACLE!!!     posted by 888 User
posted on October 11, 2008 at 07:04 PM      
 
THE SECOND COMING?
Writes Bez-----ek, displaying a photograph,
clearly showing A. Crowley's face, on a piece of toast!
This priceless artifact has a current bid of £4.24, postage is free, and may be obtained from ' H--l, Yorkshire.':-)
(JOKE!)
 
'Tis The night before Crowleymas! Tomorrow, Thelemites celebrate the birth of Aleistair Crowley, born 12/10/1875.
Traditionally a day of JOKES, and frivolity! As Thelema by nature does not distinguish between religions, (they all say a bit of the same thing), why not celebrate the advances made over the 20th
century, giving us the freedom we enjoy today!
Why not Feast, Rejoice! And play jokes, not too wicked! :-)
Fun, Frivolity and feasting>One<>ALL
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Topic     RE: Ancient Egyptian Funerary Magic     posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 06:34 AM      
 
I am not sufficiently studied in the subject to discuss the subject in depth but if you haven't read it, I do think you would find The Occult Arts Of Ancient Egypt by Bernard Bromage hugely interesting. I know I did. The book is out of print now but you can track copies down online quite often it seems. Very entertaining book.
 
Topic     Ancient Egyptian Funerary Magic     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 22, 2007 at 09:41 AM      
 
Are there any serious magical aspirants who are interested in discussing Ancient Egyptian Funerary Magic. A few years ago I had the good fortune to study for a degree in Egyptology and Ancient History. Before going to university most of my knowledge of Egyptian Religion came from the works of Wallis Budge. The lady who I studied with at university however thought that to many people into th occult relied exclusivlely upon his works and make him into a sort of cult figure while now more up to date research has clarified much and ironed out many of the errors. She thought that Wallis Budge should only be read after a more thorough grounding in works like those of Taylor and Faulkoner. After studying the modules I was apt to agree with her.
 
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Topic     RE: Conciet.     posted by BABALONUIT888 User
posted on September 22, 2008 at 09:21 AM      
 
Dear One and All,
Blimey Charlie, what a kerfuffle! I was in a foul mood that night, no doubt. However, I'd rather hoped for a sensible, merciless if need be, opposing viewpoint, apon which a valid structure of debate could be erected. Yet, they really are the transparent 'chaps' they seemed to be. Astonishingly puerile. I apologise for saying that, yet is the simplest abstraction to hand.
Men, even the intellectual, do enjoy a good 'tussle', though the attitude should surely be, to, metaphorically, after conclusion, help one's opponent up, wipe a bloodied nose, shake hands and form a bond! 'Tis in the nature of the beast. I surely didn't expect that, to my mind, very odd, retort. Can't flaw Denises thinking, as ever. Well, a brief visit, my new Rituals are coming along well, am interested in chaosphere c.d, if any left in New Year. Myself, I've found things as:-Mankind, approaching critical mass, is making its way to the abyss, en masse:-The old magic, good for backbone, simply dosn't work with root New Aeon energies. Chaos Magick, interestingly might.
Sorry for kerfuffle. Must work.
YITGW, serenity-One>All. 888
 
Topic     RE: Conciet.     posted by Outraged of Kensington! User
posted on September 22, 2008 at 08:48 AM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 02:11 PM      
 
He didn't do that do did he that do? Well he shouldn't!
I know HIS sort, a simple foot-soldier of a dual faceted Supernal Goddess, exposing the phallusies of decent chaps who use words like 'metaphysical' and 'abstruse', even when theyre NOT trying to get a job! Probably the same chap at my local last night, talking loudly about 26 yr. old bronzed Mexican ladies, and golden showers, causing me a most unfortunate trouser incident! Occultism? I've got four books! And I've read them! Yes, He jolly well should be cut down in flames, He'd probably be speechless! Then He'd know that true speech is silence-- Furthermore, His remains should be hurled into the void. But 'His sort' He'd be back, re-inventing himself, muttering about 'The silence within silence, of which, the reflected echoe is manifestation' or some sort of tosh. I shall be writing letters to someone! Anyone heard of Mexican ladies and
chilled champagne? Yours, Indignant, yet not knowing why, E. Goatist.
 
 
[Infoburst: Look, OutrangedOfKensington, StephenW said if you wanted a cogent reply from him you had to ask NICELY. Then again, I have yet to be convinced that Niceness is not the refuge of scoundrels. Come ON StephenW are you up to the challenge? BB Denise W ]
 
 
Topic     RE: Conciet.     posted by StephenW User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 02:57 PM
edited on September 19, 2008 at 03:52 PM      
 
You don't know anything about me so you are not entitled to make such relativistic judgements. The resource I provided a link to already embodies it's own explanation, and it is up to any potential readers to discover the connecting links and ramifications for themselves; I was merely pointing them in the right direction. As far as my own "explanation" goes... I would have been only too happy to answer questions from individual members if I had been politely asked, even as far as to give my own complete 'take' on this. But, however, I do not take very kindly to anyone making such aggressive insults against me and moreover, given your attitude, I fear I would be providing you with even more bones of contention to pick on me with, so I must therefore desist from doing so.
 
I am only being on the defensive, but I deplore the fact that the moderators are even allowing such personal attacks to go uncensored and so I will from now on be posting only in forums where the contributors will be treated with courtesy and respect. Therefore, any more alerts, or invitations for me to post here that arrive in my email will be marked as spam and will be deleted without even being read.
 
 
[Infoburst: Good heavens StephenW, I am still trying to fathom your outburst here. You are willing to cut your nose off to spite your face by punishing the S.A. for something Babalonuit888 has said. You seem a very sensitive sort of initiate to me - most of the adepts I know would have cut Babalonuit888 down in flames and vive le sport but here we find you buckling at the first challenge. If you want to spend your time prattling on forums which observe artificial pleasantries to preserve the egos of those who populate them that is your choice but you surely don't expect me to censor any contributors because they may have hurt your feelings? Personally I think you've just had your first lesson in real esotericism. What say you? BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Conciet.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 12:48 AM      
 
Do you consider yourselves some form of eletiste? Good for you.
Most of us contribute to aid other forum members.
Most of us work for a living, have numerous duties, yet make
time to explain our research/findings to others.
This is aid. Are you able to explain this abstruse metaphisical finding to us? No?
Enjoy your arrogant smug impotence, or prove your worth by explaining your findings to us mere mortals, in terms we can digest.
Thankyou.
 
Topic     RE: ancient geometry discovery     posted by StephenW User
posted on September 15, 2008 at 02:38 PM      
 
http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/deemonad.pdf
 
In this document, see chapter titled "Our Canon of Transposition
(Metathesis)" to gain some deeper metaphysical insight on this abstruse subject.
 
Topic     RE: ancient geometry discovery     posted by StephenW User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 10:51 PM      
 
http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eserv/UQ:13443/n04_139_Proudfoot.pdf
 
Topic     ancient geometry discovery     posted by egohunter User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 08:14 PM      
 
Hi all; I would like to share this discovery with you all. I look forward to any feedback.:)x http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_sage1.htm ......... http://thecompletefloweroflife.blogspot.com/
 
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Topic     Baby-bathwater.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 09:22 PM      
 
Hello Denise. Sorry. I've been told in the past that my true thinking is incomprehensible. I thought I'd improved my communication skills. Apparently not. I may have created confusion.
Sincere apologies. Seems it's my cue to leave.
Best Wishes to All.
 
Topic     Golden Dawn     posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 03:24 PM      
 
I see. I knew Mathers was in 'political' strife, losing His position. I know not of the Westcott rift, obviously Fr. M. will be correct.
'History is written by the Victors.' I read Crowley's account of that time!
Yes, Israel Regardie, I understand your words. Thankyou.
 
Topic     RE: The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn     posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:54 AM      
 
Tidying up.
Greetings yet again Denise. I'm tidying up here, as my superiors require me to perform some work. Fr. M. is, to my mind, correct. I was guided to a police meeting in 1980, where they numbered me after my Guru's number. 'For two things are done, and the third,' begins= 3x8. Good luck everyone.
 
Topic     RE: The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn     posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:53 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 09:19 AM      
 
RE: Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
Hello again Denise. I see, I'm not a Judge of the rights or wrongs of it, just a pawn, however, history as recorded says; Crowley had a ferocious battle with Mathers, The Golden Dawn collapsed, and crowley, with another Adept found themselves in control of a defunct order. (The rift was that Mathers claimed to have made contact with the secret chiefs, pretty unlikely, as Mathers, billiant as He was, didn't cross The Abyss. A fraudulant claim of that magnitude would inevitably have dire repercussions, the order fragmented before the final showdown.) So the first order is called G.D. as a convenience, not as the original, now reinstated Golden Dawn system. As theyre a 5-10 min drive behind me, I'm well aware of their H.Q. The O.T.O. will have to address this issue. Well pointed out. Thankyou again Denise, Best Wishes.
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi Draconuit. According to Marabas the split in the G.D. had nothing to do with Crowley but was due to a political rift between Westcott and Mathers during which Crowley, in his inimitable style, sensed an opportunity and tried to precipitate a schism which was in the offing anyway. Outlying G.D. temples proceded autonomously much as before but eventually atrophied and when Crowley failed in his bid he moved on to develop his own system. Since the second world war there has been no authenticated
G.D. antecedent temple. It was precisely this vacuum which enabled, following the publication of Regardie's book containing most of the G.D. System (titled The Golden Dawn) devotees (and upstarts!) to recreate G.D. temples for better or worse. And M knows that of which he speaks. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn     posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:52 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 09:11 AM      
 
RE: Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
Only just found your post. Point taken. The Golden Dawn ressurected in kentucky (I think) under odd circumstances. However, we're stuck with a system that refers to the first order as G.D. I shall clarify this. I have to be very careful with the inner orders explanation also, but that's what I am, having read about pigeon sacrifice(???) I feel obliged to give a very brief outline of what we are. I'll amend G.D. to O.T.O. It might be wisest to simply state that the two higher orders are invisible. Thanks for everything.(Putting up with my nature included!)
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi Draconuit, It is my job to clarify statements on this forum which may mislead newcomers. Occultists tend to write/talk in a unique way combining hypotheses, opinion and fact which is a form of personal dialectic well understood by other practising occultists who can usually distinguish between what is said and what is meant. However beginners often take absolutely everything at face value as a bald statement of incontrovertible truth. I am here to remind everyone (if any reminder was needed) that the good stuff is nearly always imbeded in a proportion of claptrap but whatever the precentage of claptrap it does not denigrate the good stuff. We are not here to chuck the baby out with the bathwater! ;-) If I may adopt a maternal stance, your contributions are very much of this ilk. Anyone can set up a group and call it by the name Golden Dawn. There are dozens of them that we know of. Providing these groups use the methods and training systems of the G.D. properly then they are very valuable but the moment any of them claim antecedency to Wynn Westcott's G.D. warning bells must ring very loudly and it is the job of genuine esotericists to resist the flights of fancy of many group leaders whose pronouncements may confuse and mislead other genuine seekers. BB. Denise W. ]
 
 
Topic     The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn     posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:50 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 08:55 AM      
 
Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
(Edited on Jun-17-2008 08:55 AM by moderator)
Greetings Denise, I find your forum very good, eclectic and liberal. I noticed much muddle on The Crowley Thread, and have written a v. brief explanation of The Golden Dawn, The outermost Thelemic order. I am competent to outline the further stages- and final order, carefully disclosing, veiled truths,which some seekers may wish to study further, in book form. Any thoughts, Denise? Good idea? Bad idea? I shall, of course, do as you decide. Light, Life, Love and Liberty.
 
 
[infoburst: Hi Draconuit, you must be careful with absolute statements which may mislead. Anyone following the G.D. system will find your claim that it is a 'thelemic' order paradoxical. Similarly, though Crowley was trained initially in the G.D. system and was therefore influenced by it, in essence the G.D. was/is ante-New Aeon and there is no genuine thelemic order that we know of that claims the G.D. order itself as a part of the thelemic system. BB Denise W.]
 
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Topic     Protecting our Identity fom learning.     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 12, 2008 at 05:14 AM      
 
I agree that the style of this forum is very frank, being very frank with myself, this works. I personaly prefer the profesional aproach that cuts out the waffle. Isnt the point to observe ourselves and learn not to take things personaly? A Lion of a Man once said to me "If I have sympathy for you, I have to have sympathy for me. Then Brother, we are both screwed"
 
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Topic     RE: Mousse Anon...     posted by nome. User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 08:58 AM      
 
Greetings,
Yes, I do understand your point, I've blundered into that before, the whole issue debated.
I rely on Denise to blank me, or did, when I went too far, until recently, when a sudden-ish illumination occured, transforming me again, slightly.
I'm waiting to see if she considers my latest waffle too heavy, or intrigueing yet not scary.
If you glance around the occult web, you'll see we're having a bit of a problem at the moment, power struggles and extreme moves are, to my mind, detracting attention from the very real threat of our liberty being restricted. I'm staying away from the whole mess, this forum being a stable structure.
Oh yes, my latest effort has a valid point, amongst the waffle, which I'm eager to get to; I used you as an E.G figuring you to be intelligent enough to handle it. I need to get off the Earth plane, in the thread, quickly. I need advisors, as I'm either incomprehensible or unpleasant, frankly, though I think that's past. Well, when Denise has edited, I'll see what to do next. Very Best Wishes, nome.
 
Topic     Mousse Anon...     posted by JASandansky User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 02:46 AM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 09:13 AM      
 
Good heavens, nome, I never meant to suggest that Denise was talking nonsense; nor did I think she was banning anonymous posting. I also don't doubt the good intentions of most posters, sympathetic or otherwise. I merely suggested that a few individuals might be posting anonymously because they may have felt personally attacked previously, or because honest criticism may have come across as flaming or mudslinging. I'm sure that forum "regulars" don't wish to scare newcomers away; but I'm concerned that it may have happened unintentionally when constructive criticism was interpreted as hostility.
 
Also, I never eat jam sandwiches without slathering them with peanut butter first...
 
Jovana
 
[Infoburst: Yes, that is a risk Jovana - some newcomes who are not up to speed may indeed misread the Geburic method which most initiates use as too strong a meat but we can't make all progress comfortable for them otherwise inner transformation would not occur. If they are sincere seekers they will work through it. Of course if they are reading this they will now know it is done in their best interests and so the positive dialectic of the SAEF has worked yet again! (Note for newbies - Geburah is a sphere on the Qabbalistic tree of life which concerns itself with energies translated as 'Mercy with Severity'. In common parlance this is exemplified in the way that a mother may instinctively smack her toddler after rushing to pull her back from a busy road. One could make a case for trying to reason with the child but one smack saves a thousand words and, some would say, carries more love with it. BB Denis W. ]
 
Topic     nonny mouses.     posted by nome. User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 12:13 PM      
 
Dear Jam sandwich. Do you imagine Denise is talking non-sense?
Every experienced Occultist will recognise Her gentle words as an essential truth. Meditate.
 
Topic     RE: A Plea To All Anony Mouses     posted by JASandansky User
posted on August 08, 2008 at 02:54 AM
edited on August 08, 2008 at 08:24 AM      
 
Well, some here might see anonymity as a form of self-protection. From my observations at a distance, some posters have been overly critical or condescending toward others who merely asked simple questions; likewise, some of the feedback has been a bit harsh and sharpish, more than necessary (perhaps from an excess of everyday stress?). Some people might feel nervous and hesitant about posting at all after a while, after having their heads bitten off a bit too often; and customer goodwill toward the S.A. might suffer as well eventually. None of us will ever stop learning (even the good people at the S.A.), even when this life is over; hence, perhaps we should treat each other with more kindness and empathy, to the benefit and increased evolution of all. Just my own observations, of course.
Good cheer to all,
Jovana A. Sandansky
 
[Infoburst: We are listening to what you are saying JASandansky but here's how this forum works: Sympathy is cheap and can be very destructive - we use it sparingly. If you want sympathy the net is full of bleeding hearts who delight in making each other feel good about themselves but don't change a thing. Here you get hard truths succinctly and it saves a lot of time for everyone. If someone is being stupid we say so - like you misreading my message and thinking that I was banning the use of anonymous posting.
Using a pseudonym still makes the user anonymous! Making up a unique pseudonym for yourself helps others on the forum link with your comments and character. So if someone has it wrong we say so. Hopefully this will concentrate their thoughts and increase the quality of debate. What more could any seeker into the mysteries want? When I was floundering about all those years ago as a newcomer I would have given my right arm for a reliable source of initiated information which called a spade a spade - whether it was delivered 'politely' or not. What say you? BB Denise W.]
 
Topic     nonny mouses.     posted by nome User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 03:22 PM      
 
Excellent concept!- draconuit, was an irritating git, at times.
There was still division.
Yet, in but one nights Astral and one days physical thought;
His nature did transform.
He now makes occasional entries as 'nome'.(Explained that you may track 'me'.) Long may you flourish!
 
Topic     A Plea To All Anony Mouses     posted by Denise W User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 01:19 PM      
 
Can all contributors think up a pseudonym for themselves to use on the forum and make sure that they use it in the Name/Alias box when typing a message? Pseudonyms help others reply to your requests and assists in developing threads in a more understandable form. It also enables people who find what you have to say interesting check your earlier comments in the threads. We are getting far too many Anonymous entries at the moment - mostly generated by contributors forgetting to put their pseudonym in the Name/Alias box (it defaults to anonymous if you leave it empty). Let's have some netiquette please! ;-) BB Denise W.
 
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Topic     RE: Spaceman.     posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 09, 2008 at 02:30 AM      
 
The Book of Dzyan may be purchased from The S.A. as 'The secret Doctrine'; by Mme Blavatsky. I'm not an emloyed advertiser for S.A.
I'm simply trying to be helpful, and have bought my best books from S.A. I believe they are the best Occult supply store in existance. Pleasantries to All at S.A. and members.
 
Topic     Spaceman.     posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 04:19 AM      
 
Oh Yes! I like to travel through space, when I take time off.
The obvious is written in Thelemite Holy Books.
There is something not written. Study, if you will, the book of
Dzyan. I can say no more. For thousands of years(?) no-one has
openly discussed, that which only Adeptii know. There must be
a reason, I'm not prepared to upset the cosmic balance.
Keep on seeking! Wait 'til you cross the abyss, if you havn't
yet, and see the Cosmic Joke!!!
 
Topic     Astral Projection - Historical research and Planetary exploration     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM      
 
Does anyone who can Astral project well/easily have any discovered information on little known/unkown episodes of human history?
or any unusual finds whilst exploring space in astral form?
Surely some people can do it and have done it, I`d love to hear from you.If not maybe we should form a group.
 
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Topic     RE: Automatic writing via computer     posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:22 PM      
 
Hi Karen, Traditionally during a sitting the medium would use a wooden planchette device which had a pen affixed which rested on the paper. The discarnate entity moved the medium's hands to write, draw, sketch etc. Some startlingly impressive creations have resulted, including Mozart symphonies from the grave from mediums who were tone deaf! The S.A. sell Automatic Writing Planchettes which are very popular (go www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/autowriter.htm
for details ).
Spirits seem to find modern technology, very sensitive as they are able to more easily affect changes at a molecular level. This is often why ghosts are inadvertently photographed or heard thru White Noise.
Marabas remembers people from the past making contact with him by affecting the electrostatic charge on a photocopier. The print which should have been of a book cover came out as a kind of photograph of three victorian ladies sat around a table in what looked like a seance!
At the S.A. we regularly find our computers doing things that they would not normally be expected to do - but we have not had any 'messages'. We have even had telephones dialing for themselves (that is, customers picking up their phone which was ringing out, whilst we were doing the same at this end! ) However we have not so far experienced computers writing 'automatically'. Some websites offer free ouijaboard programs but this is simply technological trickery because although a random number generator APPEARS to be random, in actual fact it can never be so as it is based on a seed number and therefore is always predictable. The whole purpose of using a planchette and ouija-board is to focus the psychic energy of the operator and this of course is somewhat disconnected when using a distant computer.
BB Denise W. [Infoburst: S.A. Ouija-Board and Invocator Dial is available from stock - go www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm for a pageful of interesting background]
 
Topic     RE: Automatic writing via computer     posted by John User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 02:06 PM      
 
Hi Karen,
Personally I wouldn't say it's impossible
but I always tend to stay completely non
electrical in any occult working if possible
as I've heard that electrical fields are more
of a hindrance. I will even turn the power
off at the mains during ritual or serious
divinations !
 
John.
 
Topic     Automatic writing via computer     posted by Karen User
posted on April 28, 2008 at 08:58 AM      
 
Just curious--is it true that automatic writing can be done on computers? Has anyone here tried this before; and if so, how well did it work?
 
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Topic     How to suck an egg.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 26, 2008 at 05:02 PM      
 
(1) Know thine enemy:-) Look at the 'dirty birds' around, those who would use and abuse you, usually for money. They seem to believe the shadow scheme is 'real'. They can only see material stuff, and want more; can't blame them, the fact that they exist proves their validity.
(2) Fortify yourself; For an extra $40, you can get a really good security system for your p.c. inc. a double firewall, every body gets tracking cookies, an advanced: double firewall traps it, rendering it impotent; unable to report to its master. Unless you load it, then let down the outgoing firewall down for a millisecond. Or simply analyse it, then destroy.
(3) Plan your long-term strategy.
(4) In 'my' case, let info. flow, according to one keyword.
Result:-) The Holy Temple of Babalonuit, a v. small place, is now advertised, together with one reference to The S.A. forum,
in Germany, Finland, China, U.S.A.
The Temple is now open, and will operate externally in '09, as directed in early '07.
Somebody in S.A. saw what we were doing, adding, a nice comment; Thanks, we worked hard for years, still are doing.
Now, we've closed the window. A music station, with bands like: Christian death, v1 Subversa :The poison girls, co-creators of the socialist movement that spawned punk.
Check out our 'webpage' Wot a carry on! :-)
BABALONUIT888
 
Topic     BABALON The Great.     posted by nome User
posted on August 23, 2008 at 12:50 AM      
 
Greetings One and All.
It may be intersesting to note, that in Thelemite and Wiccian
religion, Babalon, a Great Goddess 4,000 yrs years old, cast into shadow by man, is taking Her rightful place, as Woman entirely liberated.
In The Thelemic Religion, The Adept strives toward our Lady, that the Princess be elavated to that of The Queen, The Alchemy of High Magick, in part. Babalon exists in sphere 3,just above the Abyss, the gulf between Man and God,dwelling in The City of Pyramids; and as the city is by The Great Sea, which does lap upon the shores of Malkuth, The Earth Planes, so Babalon can descend, below the Abyss, to the planes of pure force, even unto full manifestaion.
41 years after the creation of Thelema, in 1945, several scrolls
were discovered in caves in Egypt. One of them, presumedly transcribed by an Adept, we now recognise to be the paradoxical
speech of the Goddess Babalon:- (Extract)
" For I am the first and the last,
I am the honoured and the scorned one,
I am the whore and the holy one,
i am the wife and the virgin,
i am the mother and the daughter,
i am the members of my mother,
i am the barren one,
and many are her sons,
i am she whose wedding is great,
and i have not taken a husband,
i am the bride and bridegroom,
and it is my husband who begot me,
i am the mother of my father,
and the sister of my husband,
and he is my offspring.
I am the silence of which manifestation is the echoe,
and the idea whose remembrance is frequent,
I am the utterance of my name"
Babalon.
In perilous times, when our freedom is oppressed, we have made a leap forward, which cannot be denied.
Serenity and understanding to all.
 
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Topic     RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper     posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 11:43 AM      
 
Good luck
 
Topic     RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:02 PM      
 
Thanks for the reply, useful info.I think these books are for me and will be putting them into practice.Cheers.
 
Topic     RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper     posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 11:00 AM      
 
Hi there
 
Sorry for the delay in replying. When I use material from Cooper, it's usually from his "Creative Visualisation."
 
Usually I use his ideas in impromptu settings, or to start a project in motion - I simply relax where I am, and do the appropriate visualisations.
 
Sorry not to be more specific but there is no one way I use the material. IF you feel drawn to the methods in "Basic Magick," give it a go.
 
Topic     RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 11:45 AM      
 
Thanks for the info Puretongue, I was just going to use a covered table as an altar and some candles, I was going to dispense with incense as I have some breathing difficulties.Could you please elaborate on when you say that you don`t use any equipment, do you just meditate cross legged on the floor , go to your inner temple and just go on from there? - Thanks.
 
Topic     RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper     posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 10:37 AM      
 
Hi there
 
All of the books I've read by Mr. Cooper are similar in theme. The reason I favour "Creative Visualisation" is that it makes the link between this process and Spare's insights into how magic works.
 
Sorry I've not seen "Inner Temple" yet, but I'd read it if I saw it. The method he teaches in the others is workable, and, in my experience, doesn't need any equipment so I've not needed a special altar to use his ideas.
 
Results are good, depending on how well you can invest belief in the world view he teaches and your ability to provide the "mental blank period," referred to as "Gnosis" in many other magical books.
 
Topic     RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 04:52 AM      
 
Thanks for the reply, Have you been getting good results with his methods? , Did you make one of them double cube altars he keeps mentioning? Do you have his new book? - I think it`s called Inner Temple - If so, is there anything in it that isn`t in Basic Magick?
Cheers.
 
Topic     RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper     posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:23 PM      
 
Hi there
 
Yes I've read it. For me, his "Creative Visualisation" was more useful but all his books I've seen so far give a workable philosophy of magic and guides to putting it into action.
 
Topic     Basic Magick by phillip cooper     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 04:36 AM      
 
Hi, has anyone else read Basic Magick: a practical guide by Phillip Cooper? - any opinions,feedback or experiences related to the book would be appreciiated. Thanks.
 
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Topic     RE: Beard growth     posted by Puretongue User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 08:08 AM
edited on April 14, 2008 at 02:59 PM      
 
The first thing I'd try is leaving it longer than a week. My first beard took a few weeks to get going. And many folk just don't get the cheek hair others do - so don't worry about that.
 
Good luck.
 
 
[INFOBURST: You could try Dr John's Old Fashioned Hair Restorer and Dr John's Old Fashioned Hair Reviver - two complimentary formulae which Marabas has regularly made up for his tonsorially challenged clients, when asked, for many years and which could work on your chin as effectively as on your pate! BB Denise W.]
 
 
 
By the way - a lot of teenagers find beards quite amusing - so expect comments.
 
Topic     Beard growth     posted by Allan User
posted on April 11, 2008 at 05:35 AM      
 
Strange posting I know, but
I occasionally go for a week or
so trying to allow a beard/moustache
to grow and I can only manage a small
stubble, very sparse and patchy and
I have cheeks like a Baby's bum. I'm
34 and quite masculine in all other ways
but would love a beard. Is there any magic
or herbs or anything I could use ?
 
Thanks, Allan.
 
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Topic     RE: Confused     posted by JG User
posted on March 17, 2009 at 03:22 PM      
 
Hi, my suggestion would be that you contact Denise privately and I'm sure she will be able to advise you with your needs.
 
Topic     Confused     posted by jennyin User
posted on March 17, 2009 at 06:35 AM
edited on March 18, 2009 at 10:29 AM      
 
My son and his girlfriend swindled my husband and I out of a sum of money over £10,000. As we are pensioners it has left us struggling. We are really struggling paying our bills etc. Can anyone suggest something that we can do to attract our money back to us. We don't wish any harm to them but just want the money back to give us the cushion that has been taken away. I hope this is ok to ask if not I apologise.
 
 
[Infoburst: J.G. is correct in advising Jennyin to contact me directly on denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk for there are many traditional methods of reversing this situation but we don't have space here to go into all the options, nor should this kind of problem be aired on an open forum. However there is one point you made which needs clarifying and could be useful to others and that is the difficulty that newcomers to magic have in overcoming the misconception indoctrinated into them that any magic which forces another person to do something against their will is evil and will cause karmic backflow.
 
Marabas corrects this in his OEXP066 which should be read by every newcomer. In the physical plane if someone steps on your toes you have the option of wincing and bearing the pain stoically or pushing them off. Using magic to correct a situation is the spiritual equivalent of pushing them off and as OEXP066 explains - will actually help both them and you so don't be anxious that you will somehow be punished for doing the sensible thing. BB Denise Wadsworth
 
Topic     RE: Rose Cross Ritual     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on February 23, 2009 at 05:06 PM      
 
Sorry New Kid i will try to be clearer next time and read your post more carefuly. My Bad. I was suggesting a bannishig if you felt under attack the days following the experience, which as Dennise points out is total NAN (but is also effective). Paranioa is a controll thing (an inabilty to let go) and in the NAN comunity superstition runs high, so any part of the Universe that "seems" threatening is imidiatly bannished. This isnt Magick its NAN and i apologise for waffling shite.
 
Smiles
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Rose Cross Ritual     posted by New kid on the block User
posted on February 16, 2009 at 10:31 PM
edited on February 18, 2009 at 09:32 AM      
 
Hi. Yes it is the SA version that I have been doing but I am a little confused as to why would I want to do a banishing ritual? Would that not be defeating the object or is that a silly question?
 
 
[Infoburst: I think Rice'n Peas was thinking that if the experience became too intense a banishing rite would centre you again. Actually the Rosy Cross rite is a centralising esoteric exercise so just re-performing it would achieve the same purpose. Your experience is not uncommon and there are other more indicative symptoms other than the ones you have listed, for instance giddiness at the base of the skull. All these are signs of the beginnings of the release of the Astral Body which is the precursor to all magic so should be celebrated as a good thing and an indication that you will make a good magician in the long run and would be best experimenting further, perhaps with Godform Invocation
see Marabas's OEXP101 Working with Godforms here Keep in mind that the Astral Body will be centred as part of the 'license to depart' at the end of any good rite but will automatically and naturally centre itself over a short period of time anyway (if you have problems just take a nap and you will wake up centred) so do not become paranoid with the usual NAN about permanently dislocated Astral Bodies and all that rubbish. What you have is the beginnings of a great gift.
BB Denise Wadsworth ]
 
Topic     RE: Rose Cross Ritual     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on February 16, 2009 at 07:14 PM      
 
Hi New Kid. I take it you have been practicing from the Ross Cross OEXP, which has been adapted and can be found in Regardie's Golden Dawn. The Rose Cross ritual opens up your phsycic perception hence the trance state that you are feeling. It can be a great prelude to further phsycic experiment but if it is too intense a banishing/ring not pass will help.
 
Good Luck
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Rose cross ritual     posted by New kid on the block User
posted on February 14, 2009 at 02:50 PM      
 
Hi all, I am still a beginner with magic and have had some strange experiences during the simple rose cross ritual. As I am performing the ritual I feel a bit spaced out and seem to be aware of things although I have no control over them. My voice seems to deepen and vibrate in a chesty/throaty kind of a way and I pronounce the words slower. I am aware of this happening although it seems as if I am watching it from outside of my being. If I think about this during the ritual it sort of snaps me out of it and I come back to reality. This has happened a few times now and I try to go with it and not think about it. Is this normal and caused by a change in consciousness? It has never happened like this during any spells that I have worked. I thought I had imagined it the first time it happened.
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 12, 2008 at 06:08 PM
edited on September 16, 2008 at 03:01 PM      
 
Hi Chris. Sorry it took so long, Im in the middle of moving house. Its best not to think about the hows and whys of spells manifesting. Just be ready to grab the opertunities. Trying not to think about something is a real test in itself, when the mind decides its important it can be a real fight to stop the thoughts.
 
The Opening Gateways course i recomended taught me to controll my awarness and focus it in to the here/now, a valuable tool to stop the whats and hows of the mind.
 
Good Luck
 
Rienpeas
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by T User
posted on September 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM
edited on September 16, 2008 at 02:59 PM      
 
Hi all. I have been told that I need to lay my tarot cards out with the pictures facing upwards in view of a full moon when they become 'sticky' so that the vibrations of the moon can cleanse them. Has anyone heard of this or tried it and does it make a difference? I have been told that the stickiness is due to picking up psychic dross and peoples emotions when using them and keeping them wrapped in black silk doesn't prevent this.
 
 
[Infoburst: Someone has been confusing you. Moonlight doesn't cleanse but it will sensitise you and is superb for increasing the psychic abilities of the magician or witch. To cleanse any hard-surface equipment (i.e. altar top, candlesticks, athames, swords, etc) of psychic vibrations you
 
you should use a cap-full of Chinese Wash in a pint of ordinary tap water and wash the items down with it. Marabas teaches that the traditional way to cleanse fabric or paper, vellum, parchment etc is to pass them through the fumes from
 
Purification Incense B554N. Your advisor is perfectly right in that the cards will take-up the vibrations of each person you read for and this of course is absolutely necessary which is why all querents should be asked to shuffle the tarot before a reading is done for them. However, strictly speaking to get the best results you should also be fuming the cards after every consultation to psychically cleanse them from the previous reading. Wrapping an item in black silk will stop them from attracting unwanted psychic vibrations. If the item has already been charged ritually then the silk will also keep that charge and stop it from dissipating (ideal for amulets, talismans and altar equipment). BB Denise W.
N.B.
 
Black Silks are available from here - scroll down the page to Silk Squares/Wraps.
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Chris User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 07:56 PM      
 
Hi again Ricenpeas, thought I would ask you another question if you don't mind. Have you any tips on how to stay positive about your magic after casting a spell? There are things going on that make it very difficult to do. I would welcome advice from anyone else reading this too. Thanks in advance!
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 11:35 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:24 AM      
 
I find painting the symbols helps alot, i realy indulge myself in the colours. (trick i learnt from
Marabas's elemental gateway symbol cards). Then I just remeber what i have painted. The same technique can be used to create Angels ect using the book Angelic Images-Construction of Godforms and Astral Imagaes. The book goes with the Complete Golden Dawn but can also be used freestyle to suit.
 
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Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by windymiller User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 10:38 AM      
 
Yeah thats right. Pictures, etc, serve to imprint on your mind what something should basically look like and then later, when you come to visualise it, the task will be easier. As you point out, the trick then is to use the other senses in conjunction to make the visualisation 'come alive' so to speak. It's not impossible to learn (I assume!) but is tricky and needs practice......unless you're marvelously gifted that is and you can do it from day one!!
Regards
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 11:34 PM      
 
Great stuff Windymiller. Visulising isnt alien power, only obtainable by a chosen few, as some seem to make out. Its a natural proccess that we all do all of the time. For example, if i were to ask you to remember what your sofa looks like?...what colour is your sofa?...how does it smell?....how does it feel?.. If i were to ask you to describe your sofa in detail you would have to recall/visualise it. Hold that recall/visualisation in your mind for as long as you can and you are exercising your visual skills. As you nicely pointed out this can be also be done with pictures but make sure to use all 5 senses. Feel, smell, hear and even taste that flaming pentergram.
 
Nice one
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by windymiller User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 10:48 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:21 AM      
 
Hey there. I asked exactly the same question of the SA a few days back and Denise replied with a bit of advice...I won't copy the e-mail out cos' it'll take too long but will just give the essentials: get yourself OEXP037 on visualisation -it outlines steps to help yourself. Also when visualising then try to obtain pictures of what is going to be visualised and study them closely to become totally familiar with them. So if you're after visualising 'flaming' Pentegrams then try and get a hold of some pictures of them, if it's the Archangels of the four quarters then try and get pictures of them too so as it is totally clear in your own mind what they should look like. Hope this of some help.
Regards
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 09:17 PM      
 
I will be into my 5th month now and I feel things are starting to improve. My visualised pentagrams are getting pretty solid though they still break up, bits dissapear and they change colour alot. My mind still wanders especialy during my morning exercises but i just bring my mind back to the pentagram (I choose a pentagram as my concentration object). Trying to hard can be a hinderance. Try shortening the lenghth of time you spend visualising but do it more often. Any spare moment can be used for visualisation practice.
Learning to focus improves your willpower, intelect and the ability to perform Magick, as well as much free entertainment. Even though it wont feel like it sometimes every time you do it you will get better at it.
 
Best of Luck
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 08:24 PM      
 
How long did it take you if you dont mind me asking? i don't know if i try too hard but i usually end up with a headache!
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 08:13 PM      
 
Exactly the same as me when I started. Keep it up, it takes time but the results will come.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 08:13 PM      
 
Exactly the same as me when I started. Keep it up, it takes time but the results will come.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Chris User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 02:18 PM      
 
Hi Ricenpeas. Thanks for the friendly advice you gave me! I thought it would be easy as I daydream with no problem but I tried with a candle flame but my mind wanders away from what I want to visualize. As I said closing my eyes helps but its not ideal even then.
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 01:51 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:19 AM      
 
Hi Chris.
Visualisation is my weak point too. Yes, closing the eyes is a great way to learn. Some recomend turning your eyes upwards but i would recomend going with what is comfortable to begin with. Once you get the hang of it try it with your eyes open. Pick a spot in the air about 3/4 feet away and visualise an object. Remember we use all 5 senses when visualising so you will probably find you are better with some senses than with others. Just keep chipping away at it. It takes time and practice but its seriously worth it.
Visual Magick by Jan Fries, available from Mandrake of Oxford, and Fr. Sisto
Opening Gateways from the S.A. audio collection really helped me as did reading a bit of fiction and listening to Beethoven.
 
Hope That Helped
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Chris User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM      
 
I am just starting to learn about magic and have a very simple question. I find it difficult to visualize but if I close my eyes this does help a little. Should this be done with the eyes open or closed? does it matter?
 
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Topic     Psi overload     posted by Douglas Dumpling User
posted on August 21, 2008 at 01:40 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:33 AM      
 
Hello
As a beginner I'm really starting to see results, which is great. But I seem to be developing a psychic sense with which i can tune into People around me sensing impressions about them. I've just recently realized I'm doing this almost all the time, it's causing me too feel vulnerable in public and starting to make me withdraw socially and become shy. My question is how can i control this gift more effectively and not feel swamped by others around me?
Great forum btw, very useful, It has helped me a lot.
Cheers
D.D.
 
 
[Infoburst: Welcome Douglas, Neophytes should realise that involvement in magic is both macrocosmic and microcosmic - everything you do and experience will be affected. It is par for the course for people experimenting with results-magic to find psychic sensitivities growing within them. Once your spirito-magical core has been 'activated' this is a natural evolution and will, eventually, be seen by you as a wonderful gift. At the moment it may perplex you but that's just because you were not mentally prepared for it. The strangeness will disappear in time as you come to learn to manipulate and direct the extra psychic feelings and Marabas's advice in this respect in all cases is to begin general magical development as integral with this are the skills and methods required to control and direct psychic energies. You can start with Grimoire of The Shadows by Frater Sisto - a complete audiocourse in gaining willed control over psychic energies. http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm In short, don't worry - you've achieved the beginning of something many others are trying hard for. BB Denise W.
 
 
Topic     Beginners beware of conmen (or women)     posted by JJ User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:49 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:21 AM      
 
Hi all, dare I mention the name Kevin Carylon on here Denise? Enough said, no wish to offend the people on this site. Form your own opinion though by going to
 
http://www.occultforums.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=342341#post342341
 
Topic     Divination on spells     posted by Julie G User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 02:19 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:44 AM      
 
Hiya all, any suggestions on this 
Topic please? I have been given conflicting opinions by 2 associates with more experience than myself so don't know which is true, my question is;
after performing a spell should you use divination to track its progress or let it go completely? one friend says yes you should use divination so you don't miss opportunites and he other says by using divination you 'draw it back to you' and stops the spell from developing properly. Do any of you have a theory on the use of divination after you have cast you spell or how long you should wait before scanning the progress? It would be interesting to hear your views and experiences.
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi Julie - the time to resort to divination is BEFORE you cast your spell not afterwards. Marabas teaches that success in magick relies on knowing the where and the when to apply your magic and so all initiates tend to use divination before any major magical working to get a perspective on the changes their proposed rite will create. Testing a spell with divination after it has been cast is simply an insult to the gods, alerts them to the fact that you have little faith in yourself or them and also may attenuate the magic because as one friend pointed out to you , each time you do it you are indoctrinating yourself with the reality that you do not have your wish so pushing the result you desire further away. You would only use divination after the cast to get perspective on why your magic has not worked. That is, realising your magic was applied incorrectly and reverting to what Marabas recommends at the start! Try again, persistence is the key. BB Denise W.]
 
Topic     RE: Image dolls     posted by Denise W User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 09:37 AM      
 
PJ you do not seem to be reading my replies carefully enough. White cloth will not stop the magic, only black silk. You cannot simply throw a charged item away - you must keep it safe. That is one of the responsibilities of magic. This forum is not the place for identifiably specific queries on actual cases - you should email me directly and privately at the S.A. for any follow enquiries. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Image dolls     posted by Pj User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 05:34 PM      
 
Thanks Denise, I had removed all the links etc and cleansed and it is currently wrapped in white cotten but if it is of no further use can I just throw it away? Can I use the same white cotten to wrap new dolls of my partner and myself if I do the lovespell between us or will this cloth be contaminated by the previous spell?
 
Topic     RE: Image dolls     posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 03:54 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM      
 
[Infoburst: No PJ. You must not remould the doll or use any part of it for another person after it has been consecrated. Marabas teaches that magical force behaves somewhat like radioactivity and that although its 'half-life' may be equal to the time of its existence. I.E. If you consecrate the doll, change your mind and then de consecrate six months later the doll will by-and-large still work for six months after you dismantle it and then the astral image will begin to fade from then on. It never actually totally goes away because the astral link is qualitative not quantitative - hence there is always an astral link to it and if you re-use the material for someone else you can cause pecular effects between those two people. Wrap the dismantled doll in a black silk cloth
 
(see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm and scroll down to Silk Squares ) This will stop the doll linking with the astral as black silk is a psychic insulator. Place away somewhere safe and forget it. Work on your existing relationship and strengthen it with various forms of love magic so that the relationship is stronger than it was before. Remember love is FELT, not rationalised. Don't let your guilt get in the way. Denise W.
 
Topic     Thanks for Paths to Magick     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 03:04 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM      
 
The best outline of Magick i have ever come across. to cover so much so clearly AND at a relaxed pace so i could take it all in. Wow. Ive read so much waffle in my time and also been the victim of over complicating things myself. There is none of that here. Simple and factual. The way it should be.
Cheers S.A. you have saved me time and money.
 
Ricenpeas
 
 
[INFORBURST: More background and buy-now buttons for Marabas's Paths To Magick cassette or CD is on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm]
 
Topic     RE: Chaosphere Cassette     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 11:21 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:18 AM      
 
hi karen, im just getting stuck in to practicing Magick myself. My mother is a reiki master and i am very much using chaos technique. We Do Conflict. Frater Marabas does give full explaination of the workings of Magick and the oexp short lessons will give what you are looking for. i recomend starting at the beginers page. use your own judgement and best of luck
terry
 
 
[Infoburst: Just a quick update for all - The Chaosphere Experience audio-course is now available on a remastered improved quality CD as well as the original audiocassette version.
 
Go http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm
 
Topic     RE: Chaosphere Cassette     posted by Karen User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 01:44 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM      
 
I ought to listen/read up on the Chaosphere more when I've got some free time. I know next to nothing about chaos magick except that sigils are somehow involved.
 
Is this related to reiki practice in any way? Does S.A. have any resources on that subject? My knowledge of that is limited as well, though I'm aware that esoteric symbols are used there as well. I'm interested in getting trained in that when I have the time and funds available. I've seen a friend's dog with spinal disc herniation improve dramatically after just one rather casual session with a reiki practitioner; so my curiosity has been piqued...
 
--Karen
 
 
Hmmn, You don't want to know what Marabas thinks of Reiki Masters, Karen. The idea of anyone becoming the 'master' of an esoteric technique in a weekend's course is ultimate NAN and relies on the educational indoctrination of the modern mind to rely upon specialists with degrees and diplomas instead of their own intuition. Marabas says that the Reiki Industry is a pestilence amongst genuine occultism. The application of the ancient method of Taoist Heaven and Earth palm healing which Reiki is a very pale reflection of can take a practitioner YEARS to develop and depends not only on where the hands go but also on the power and state of Chi in the practitioners own body. Not to mention his/her years of esoteric knowledge and wisdom. To wrap all this up in a weekend Reiki course is like giving a diploma for Neuro-surgery to someone who has just finished a woodwork course It is a danger because it greatly misleads newcomers like yourself into thinking play-acting laying on hands is the same as actual heaven and earth palm - which it is not. As Heaven and Earth palm does work and everyone has the capacity to do it by degree results can be obtained but to then put these people out as Reiki 'Masters' is just an insult to genuine initiates. BB Denise W.]
 
Topic     Chaosphere Cassette     posted by ZBeyondR User
posted on January 16, 2008 at 04:04 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:51 AM      
 
Greetings Denise,
Thanks for having sent chaosphere quickly.
 
[http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm]
Reached Mauritius in 4 days and I had it on the 5th day.
Excellent lecture. Not something that bores you, interesting and always up to the point. The only work on chaos magic that I loved.
 
 
[Infoburst: Denise Replies: Hi. 4 days from U.K. to Mauritius by standard airmail? Now that's what I call S.A. magic. Actually we once sent a standard airmail parcel to a client on the Eastern Seaboard of the U.S. and it got to him in THREE days! Yes you can pay thru the nose for courier but they often take four or five days as well so best leave it to the gods eh?]
 
 
There's a question though. Can I use the chaosphere for another desire, whilst waiting for my first one to materialize?
 
 
[DENISE: Well there's no rule that you can't, but Marabas teaches that it is best not to split the focus of your magic until it has hit home - that way you get the best success. ]
 
No, am not greedy, just wanted to know if another desire is realisable whilst am patiently waiting for my first to realise.
 
I loved the way you replied to a few people on this forum. N plz dnt reply to me in that manner, else I would leave te forum too. LOL
 
 
[DENISE: People who get it wrong or are talking NAN (New Age Nonsense) on this forum will be told so. This isn't a personal thing - we all get it wrong sometimes and it's important to keep the standards up. Getting something wrong doesn't mean everything you believe becomes defunct just the bit that was taken to task. Swallow it and learn. Everyone is welcome under these rules and no harm done. We don't expect everyone to know everything (not even me ;-) and beginners wouldn't get trashed for making silly comments so please join in the fray and vive le sport BB D]
 
Cya
 
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Topic     Soulmates?     posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 03:01 PM      
 
How do you know if you've met your soulmate? Is it a blinding revelation or just being really drawn to someone but more intense than ordinary attraction? I've met somebody and feel a really strong connection too them but I'm worried it's just a crush, of course i've had crushes before but nothing like this.
Anyone had experience with this aspect of love magic? Or indeed anyone? not believe such things happen?
 
Topic     BEGINNERS PLEASE     posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 08:58 AM      
 
We have set up this special thread solely to cater for the type of very basic questions which beginner's want to ask but may be put off asking by the initiated level of discussion in the other threads in . Newcomers can join in here by asking any questions about anything to do with occultism and posting any reservations or clarifications no matter how simple and without fear of making embarrassing mistakes or of incurring the wrath of initiates by inappropriately interrupting a thread on advanced subjects. Of course 'simple' questions often create complex answers. If an important subject ignites here then it will be transferred to a separate thread of it's own for all to learn from. Enjoy! Denise W.
 
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Topic     feedback     posted by client number 71577 User
posted on April 10, 2010 at 01:51 PM      
 
hi, just 2 say ordered crones book of words from u. most excellent value and service from the s.a, as always keep up the gr8t work, my order arrived this morning thank u.
 
Topic     RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 23, 2008 at 09:51 AM      
 
Hi Reema, did you have any luck in finding a way to break them up? I have a similar problem!
 
Topic     RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?     posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 05:41 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:44 AM      
 
Is there anything that can be done to break up family members does anyone know? The family of the person I was with has caused lots of problems and I would like to get split them up so that they do not cause more.
 
Topic     RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?     posted by JK User
posted on May 29, 2008 at 05:25 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:43 AM      
 
Hi Reema,
 
You should contact the Sorcerer's Apprentice directly. They have many
things that might help. I have tried Marabs's oils and they have worked
for me. Can I ask you are you really sure you want this man, is he right
for you or is it good that he's gone ? I was once smitten with someone
who left me and I desparately wanted her return but now I have someone worth
ten of her and I'm glad she's gone. Emotions cloud our judgement so much,
but first, relax, take your mind off it a bit and have faith that you
can succeed. You cannot think of failure even a little bit when using magic.
Also, don't worry about the logic of how oils, etc can work. They work on
the astral level. You can download the Root magic guide which explains this
method superbly.
Please check the items that I first mentioned and ask SA for advice on queriesATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk.
 
Best regards, JK
 
Topic     RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?     posted by Reema User
posted on May 29, 2008 at 01:51 PM      
 
JK, THANKS A MILLION FOR YOUR INPUT, as I am only a novice, what would you think best for me?? Would you say the oils as I am TOTAL BEGINNER? How can something so simple actually work??
 
What worked for you? Do please reply??
 
Topic     RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?     posted by JK User
posted on May 27, 2008 at 06:14 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:41 AM      
 
Hi Reema,
 
On the SA website you will find many items that could
help (If you're not a client of the SA you'll have to
take my word for it but Marabas' stuff works-better than
anything you'll find anywhere else). Check the SA website
for root magic oils and
BUY THE GUIDE to these oils. They
are excellent but the guide is the key to using them.
The SA also have a Talisman for Love, There is the
proven
erotic spells CD/download ( http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm ) which has spells to get your man and
keep him faithful, and also look at the
Love's desire spellkit ( http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm )
which is VERY powerful. The SA will be able to advise you better
and personally: check out the website for details.
 
I wish you all the best,
 
JK
 
Topic     BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?     posted by Reema User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 01:07 PM      
 
Another woman has stolen my man. She treats him like crap, yet, so far, he stays. He still likes me, but is swaying!
 
What can I perform magikally to get rid of the other woman & break them up? All I have is her name! PLEASE HELP!!
 
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Topic     RE: Bible study for Pagans/Occultists/Satanists     posted by Moon User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 08:34 PM      
 
Hi,
 
Thanks for this information. I have attend the church of England for many years, but study the Cabbalah as well. Jesus is so misunderstood by his flock, but the trouble is that they do not have the EARS to understand what he said. I believe he spoke of love for everyone, but gave personal instruction (parables etc..) to those (then and now) who were brave enough to apply what he was teaching. I have gotten in trouble with other Christains for saying Jesus was of Cabbalahist Jewish faith.
 
Moon
 
Topic     Bible and Qabalah     posted by John W User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 11:13 AM      
 
S.L.MacGregor Mathers' book The Kabbalah Unveiled has some
real gems for anyone interested in an alternative view of
the Hebrew scriptures.
 
John.
 
Topic     RE: Bible study for Pagans/Occultists/Satanists     posted by Karen User
posted on May 28, 2008 at 03:48 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM      
 
The Book of Revelation has an interesting history indeed. Trouble is, generations of people have been expecting the world to end in their day; so they go hunting for the Antichrist in every leader or institution of questionable ethics. I still remember my college days in the early 80's, when born-again students sat around discussing how Jesus would be coming back soon during the expected nuclear war with the Soviet "Evil Empire." There were scores of books being published during that time insisting that Biblical prophecy was all about the U.S. versus Russia. Sigh...
 
From my reading of the New Testament, the word "Satan" means adversary or accuser in court, and might have been a sort of legal term. A devil figure also appears in the book of Job, which starts off with a truly bizarre scene of God and the devil making bets on how far you can push a guy before he loses his faith. In Genesis, however, the serpent in Eden must, in fact, have been a Snake Goddess who, with the God figure, represented competing/conflicting belief systems within one region or ancient society. I've been studying this story for a long time, along with the Cain and Abel story which parallels the Sumerian story of the courtship of Inanna (when she is asked to choose between a farmer and a shepherd; she prefers the shepherd/pastoralist, just as the Biblical creator-god prefers the sacrifice of Abel the shepherd). Several years ago, I wrote a rather rough article on this subject and posted it at my website at http://www.angelfire.com/folk/karivox/litmarket/genesis.html , should anyone be curious...
 
 
[Infoburst: I found your article excellent. I am recommending it to others. This also enables me to alert everyone to the possibility of this thread being used as a double-think by fundamentalist agent provocateurs who use gauged argument in order to weaken the resolve of people they think need turning from their evil ways! Your article is a good antidote to that. BB Denise]
 
Topic     Amazing Bible links     posted by JK User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 11:28 AM      
 
The Book of Genesis is known to follow closely the Sumerian
Epic of Gilgamesh wich includes the Great Flood (which was
local, not worldwide)
There are many parallel, even exact copies of sayings of
Gautama Buddha (500BC)later attributed to Jesus.
And what of the word 'God' or 'Lord' as the English translators
have it. That's a study in itself including the plural Elohim
who created the plural Adam "And Elohim (literally) created man in His own image, in the image of Elohim He created Him (the Adam, or earthling, literally); male and female He created them." Genesis 1:27
 
But let's not forget the awful barbarity of the Bible where a
woman must marry her rapist if raped, where a father may sell his daughter into slavery, the rape and murder comanded by God when
the Israelites stole nations in war. Some excellent resources with
stuff you won't believe,...JK
 
www.jesusneverexisted.com
www.evilbible.com
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm
 
Topic     The Christian Bible.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 08:36 AM      
 
Shaitan (Satan) is a Thelemic Deity, being The Star God of The ancient Chaldeans, two of whom, Abram & Sara left, with followers, changing their names to Abraham, & Sarah.The rest is history. In Biblical terms, Shaitan,Satan, is not 'the Tempter', He is Prosecuter for The Crown; Godhead. To concur with your observation, the Bible states that, having a rough time keeping order, "Satan, sorely wounded, did rest apon His spear, and many Angels, good and true, did race to His aid" (As best I recall.) Further, was it not
Satan who bade 'Man know thyself' by giving of the tree of knowledge, that Man might know good and evil, with the freewill to choose His path? Thelemites, seeing satan in this light, see Him not
as enemy of Man, but friend! This is a very different concept to
The Church of Satan, they are entirely different to Thelemites. Thelema dosn't believe in 'the devil', it being a christian concept.
666, in qaballah, means Solar, or Son of God center;Tiphareth, as a Holy Trinity. Viewpoint. The Lord Shaitan! Holy is Thy Name!
I wonder how this thread will develop? Viewpoints.
 
Topic     Bible study for Pagans/Occultists/Satanists     posted by Gnostic Guy User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 05:38 AM      
 
Having been raised Christian I am surprised how little I ever knew about the Bible, also I bet most Pagans/Occultists but for the adepts do not know how to read the Bible correctly and taking a Bible study course is hazardous as they're invariably based on some sect or another's dogmatic interpretation. As a Pagan, having recently read through the Bible and dozens of books on it was a daunting task to set myself, but I'm glad I did as I found out the following on the hot 
Topics of Satan, Hell and 666, etc. If anyone is interested I can supply passage references, etc, otherwise I hope this may be of interest to the average Pagan/Occultist/Satanist
 
Satan does not exist, OK we all know that, but not only doesn't he exist, but even the Bible read intelligently supports that Fact.
Satan means adversary and in the Bible is used as a name for persons or angels caused by God to oppose someone. Get that. Satan does not act except on the express orders of God. (I'm not supporting literal Bible truth here, just reading it as it actually reads without Church interpretation).
Satan nowhere in the Bible is a personal name for one being. It is a Title, a description. Lucifer is not Satan, Satan is not Lucifer and neither of them are the Devil. The verse of scripture used to support Lucifer being a 'fallen angel' is actually a reference to a person, the King of Tyre who is likened to the Morning star (Venus/Lucifer). Jesus Christ is also called the Bright Morning Star (Lucifer).
Jews do not believe in a personal Devil. They know their own scriptures better, the Devil is the invention of the Church.
The Beast 666 refers to the Roman Empire at the time of St John's imprisonment, and to the Emperor Nero. It is the number of a man. Some ancient scriptures actually calculate it as 616.
uch use of numbers & symbols was essential to early Christians not to be caught down-talking the authorities. The belief in a coming antichrist Satanic world government is a very modern one among Christians. Until quite recently the trend was to read the book of Revelation as a record of things that were in the past, written in symbols. Martin Luther actually wanted the entire book
of Revelation left out of the protestant canon as he doubted its validity. Later protestants ascribed 666 to the dynasty of Popes. Only recently has it passed to Satan himself.
 
Hell is another place the Bible doesn't mention. The word Hell when you see it in the Bible is translated either from the word Gehenna (fire for burning rubbish) or Hades (state of the dead). Gehenna was a rubbish heap outside the City walls, symbolizing separation from the City or separation of the dead
from God. Eternal burning torment is not a scriptural idea but an invention of the Church. early Christians believed that after death they would sleep until the resurrection as with non Christians also. They did NOT believe they would fly off to heaven. They believed in an eventual renewed Earthly paradise
in a new body.
 
Gnostic Guy.
 
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Topic     blood for subject link     posted by kimball User
posted on April 27, 2010 at 12:54 PM
edited on April 29, 2010 at 09:10 AM      
 
I was wondering if arfter pricking the finger to get blood say into a magial oil bottle. it is o.k to damp a tissue on to the blood and then put that (the tissue) into the bottle since i'm having a trouble getting the droplit's into the bottle. my blood does not seem to flow to well. thank's
 
 
[INFOBURST: Hi Kimball, Marabas teaches that only a pin-prick of blood is necessary because the requirement is in the 'genetic signature' That is, quality not quantity. This drop of blood can be squeezed into magical preparations or smeared onto talismans etc. Marabas says that traditionally different fingers are used for different types of magic based on their planetary associations.
Yes it is perfectly permissible to moisten a small piece of 'virgin' (clean, new, previously untouched by anyone else)tissue with a drop of blood and then put that into the bottle. If one chooses to do this hygiene is important. A sterilised needle should be used (hold the needle with pliers and pass through a flame for a few seconds - then wash clean). The finger should be washed before pricking and swabbed with antiseptic afterwards. Naturally we don't recommend this procedure with haemophiliacs! Although one's own blood is the most powerful subject link one can also use spittle to good effect.
BB DeniseW]
 
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Topic     broken mirriors and bad luck     posted by kimball User
posted on December 09, 2009 at 04:38 PM
edited on December 15, 2009 at 09:49 AM      
 
Does anyone know how to reverse the bad luck cause by braking a mirror. Or is it just non-magic superstitution which i should not worry about
 
 
[INFOBURST: Hi Kimball, The anxiety is caused by the idea that whatever image is reflected in the mirror when it breaks then some disaster is being foretold because nothing happens by chance. It is basic sympathetic magic. If you stick a pin in an image of a person then that person will feel pain. If the last image in the mirror before it breaks is your car then your car will break down or you may have an accident. If the last image is a person then that person will, by tradition, be subjected to ill-health, accident or other negative experiences or ill-luck is likely to befall them. The prudent magician will see a mirror breaking as a warning and use a protection oil, something like
 
Circle of Protection Oil B120 daily until the next moon has passed, just to make sure.
Although very much taken for granted Mirrors are a very powerful magical aid and you can read just one astonishing way this can be done in Marabas's
 
OEXP008 Inner Discovery Looking Glass Meditation but be careful how you use this magical technique because it is VERY powerful.
BB DeniseW]
 
 
 
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Topic     Still Missing the point.     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 02:18 PM      
 
My apologies for Pastanbeans but he does have a good point. As Dennise pointed out M asks the question "would you have someone else make love to someone in your place?" PastanBeans has obviously pushed himself beyond his disability and is reaping the rewards. For me Magick is about learning to be ABLE and not relying on others. It is little old Me that does the Magick, Marabas just points me in the right direction. He empowers me to DO MAGICK FOR MYSELF, anything else and I would be off like a shot. In my not so humble opinion I would advise you to stop grasping at straws and take controll of YOUR destiny. Check out and DO some of his spells. This may seem harsh but its as helpful as I can be.
 
Good Luck
 
RicenpeaS
 
Topic     RE: Missing the Point     posted by ok.........name me one, just one witch User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 03:51 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:40 PM      
 
who you would trust to do a magical working for you????
 
And did their working produce any results?? I am learning disabled and need someone to do a working for me.
Thanks.
 
[Infoburst: You don't sound very learning disabled to me - here you are on a computer, communicating very effectively with all of us. Why can't you do that with the gods for yourself? BB Denise W]
 
Topic     Missing the Point     posted by RICENPEAS User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 07:21 PM      
 
The thing I hate about discusions on the internet is you cant bring your hand to your mouth and cough the word "tosser". Of coarse others can do for spells for others, and yes some are quite good at it, but thats not what people who shop at the S.A. are about. We like to do Magick for ourselves so we dont have to rely on others which makes us vunerable. By purchesing a spellkit we get to see and learn how easy it is to take controll of our own lives and this encourages us to do more. Ive spent a shed load of money at the S.A. and i am making sure I get my moneys worth, and that is what defines me from the gullable.
 
I am the Magickian who makes the grass greener, and so are you.
 
RICENPEAS
 
Topic     so you are saying..........these webwitches     posted by Henry User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 03:55 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:35 PM      
 
are just full of bull? and there is no way a spell can be worked on behalf of someone else?
 
What about "Rose Ariadne" who is selling a course on witchcraft via the Internet........is this just another scam?
 
[Infoburst: No we are not saying that they are scammers and we don't know anything about Ariadne (apart from the fact that she was originally a minor rural goddess of the vine) - we are pointing out that if your desire is true then you will naturally want to link your destiny with your love and nobody else could possibly match the emotional level of your spiritual and physical connection; least of all some complete stranger who is misguided enough to think that they could do better. Marabas teaches that all magic is driven by emotion and anyone who has ever worked a REAL spell knows the operator can be utterly exhausted by the effects. This is not the kind of self-sacrifice people on the net will achieve on a repeat basis because it actually affects the spellcasters' destiny as well. As Marabas has said many times magick works on the operator equally to the target - hence if you do NOT do it yourself the person getting closer to your love is the witch offering to do it for you! This can greatly complicate the relationship and actually work against the twinning of both lovers' destinies. There will always be misguided fools who think they can 'help' others with magic in the same way that there will always be idiots who think that giving to charity actually helps starving kids in the third world and this is a measure of their immaturity. But if you don't believe Marabas you are at liberty to pay the spell-workers and find out the hard way.
Otherwise try his p100 Lovespell Kit and do it yourself. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: Can a witch cast spells for someone else?     posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 02:29 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 02:31 PM      
 
Hi, What we have here is an example of lack of self-worth due to Alice having been de-empowered by Xist indoctrination to think that she can't proactively do anything for herself but must trust in 'experts' to do it for her. This idea is amply perpetuated on the net where every conman and his brother consistently insists that one has to be 'gifted' or 'powerful' in order to work magic. This is not Alice's fault and, indeed, learning the hard way with charlatans is one of the ways that the gods empower people to take up their own destiny. Marabas has quick way of bringing people like Alice round to the right way of thinking. He asks 'Would you ask another person make love to your heart's desire in your place? Then why ask them to do your love magic for you? Makes you fink donnit? If Alice wants a detailed reason why magick-worked-for-others can't work in this way she should invest a fiver in reading
 
Marabas's OEXP066 on Karma and It's consequences (http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm ) It could save her a great deal of heartache and cash in the long run.
 
Better Still, why doesn't she just buy the best spellkit in the world here and just DO IT!;-) BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Can a witch cast spells for someone else?     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 06:38 PM      
 
Hi Alice, don't touch them with a bargepole.....I've been a victim of these type of offers before I 'found' the SA.....it cost me more than just money. Stick with the SA, they are the only genuine people I have found.
 
Topic     RE: Can a witch cast spells for someone else?     posted by John User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 12:27 PM      
 
Hi Alice,
 
I just replied to your other message on spells (on what is N.A.N.
thread). The book I recommended by Marabas 'Candle-magick spellbook'
addresses this issue of others doing magic for you. I would certain
-ly avoid people advertising this as a first option. You could
check out the SA website area on consultations with Marabas if you
have problems doing your own work or need personal advice.
 
This person on the internet is willing to join his karma willy nilly
with others which wouldn't be a good idea. Does he offer an unconditional money back guarantee if the magic doesn't work ? If
not, could you be sure he'd even do some half-hearted ritual for you ?
 
Best regards, John.
 
Topic     Can a witch cast spells for someone else?     posted by Alice User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 11:58 AM      
 
.......and if so, do these work? or does an individual have to carry out their own spellwork? "Malewitch.com" is offering very powerful spells which he says will do the trick?? Suggestions anyone?
 
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Topic     RE: Abramelin Magical squares     posted by Puretongue User
posted on May 27, 2009 at 01:49 PM      
 
Hi William
 
I've recently read "21st Century Mage" by Jason Newcombe which brings the Abramelin Process up to date. Worth a look if you're considering taking it further.
 
Topic     RE: Abramelin Magical squares     posted by William User
posted on May 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM      
 
Many thanks to Puretongue, Denise and Imperial Wizard
for your replies here. Abramelin is a book I've had
on the shelves a long time but never really thought
I'd ever have much use for until recently I used a
Goetia talisman successfully and I began to wonder
about the magical squares. Loads of thoughts in my
mind about the intelligences connected to talismans
also especially Goetia and whether they may be collective
servitors created, and fed off the collective use and
belief of magicians over the centuries kind of like
Chaos magic servitors, or have you ever wondered if
it is the god/spirit/servitor who causes the chaoist
to 'create/evoke' it? Thanks again,
 
William.
 
Topic     RE: Abramelin Magical squares     posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on May 25, 2009 at 11:43 PM      
 
Its kinda funny you should be asking this because its something I've toyed with doing myself and have recently come across a new more comprehensive version of the book by Abraham von Worms,this alleges to fill in alot of the gaps left by Mathers so is really worth having if you're gonna have a dabble with the Abramelin squares and I do believe one of the S.A Spellkits features one of those squares so maybe you don't need to purify or contact your HGA afterall.
 
Topic     RE: Abramelin Magical squares     posted by Puretongue User
posted on May 25, 2009 at 11:13 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:32 AM      
 
Hi There was an article in the Sorcerer's Apprentice house magazine "The Lamp of Thoth" some years ago on this theme.
 
The item was by JH Brennan and suggested you could write the squares to good effect without the purification.
 
However, in a recent book ("The Wizard's Apprentice" I believe), Brennan describes some of the problems that later occurred for someone who had done this. It is not clear whether this subject is the same person or not.
 
I would recommend reading both if can.
 
 
[Infoburst: This is an intriguing point Puretongue and it comes up time after time in theurgy. Marabas teaches that the traditional approach is that the magician has to put his/her house in order; to simplify and purify his/her ring-pass-not before invoking the magical squares otherwise it will not be strong enough to cope with the energies which result and may 'spill-over' to cause abberations elsewhere in the magician's life. The modern approach is that providing one is mentally and psychologically prepared (i.e. trained properly in control of elemental powers etc - see the S.A.'s
Grimoire of The Shadows CD and our
Elemental Symbol Cards for this) one can identify any overspill and contain it before it causes any unwanted effects - which is the same thing really as both approaches meet somewhere in the middle (who amongst us is absolutely pure?). In any event most of the overspill effects reported seem fairly inoccuous and could be looked upon as an indication that the square is working rather than a warning not to proceed. Perhaps forum uses should embark on a collective experiment with one of the Abra Melin acrostics?
Know, Dare, Will and keep silent!
BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Abramelin Magical squares     posted by William User
posted on May 22, 2009 at 09:32 PM      
 
I am interested to know whether the magical squares in the Book of
the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage can be constructed as Talismans
without one entering into the Abramelin system of purification and
ritual, in other words, can the squares be copied on parchment, and
consecrated for general use as a system of their own ? Has anyone
tried using them ? How well did they work ?
 
Regards,
 
William
 
Topic     RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ?     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 12:51 AM      
 
SMCC, Magick works best for the operator because it works through the operator. This does not mean that i cant change your destiny by doing magic for you (ie. selling you a talisman that we have chraged for you) but it would link my destany with yours and as i dont know you that aint never gonna happen. This is an honest answer... which is more than you are getting from these money grabbing twats that claim to be Adept and advertise there nonesense to the vunerable folk like yourselves.
 
Choose Wisely
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ?     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 12:35 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM      
 
Witches of old had to be Cunning and the problems still remain, and so too do we have to use our creativity so we can pass ourselves off as "towing the line". The Candle Magick Spell kit
More Details here
comes with Chinese Wash to purify the area and tools so that any space, or what appears to be every day items, can be used for Ritual. The Chinese Wash and Candle Annointing Oil themselves can be easily disguised with a quick label change. The candles are just candles until charged and in most cases can be left to burn away leaving no trace. Our only limitation is our imagination!!!
 
Good Luck
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ?     posted by SMCC User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 08:55 AM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM      
 
Hello,
I have a question about talismans and amulets, can they be recharged with orgone beamers like some websites claim?
Also what do you think of the talismans other websites sell that claim they don't need to be activated by the wearer or recharged, can they work that way?
 
 
[Infoburst: I think they are revealing their lack of knowledge and understanding. We have many times said that 95 of what passes for occultism on the web is simply well-meaning ignorance or people who will tell you anything you want to hear to make buying from them easy. Marabas teaches that the charging of a talisman is absolutely necessary because it acts as an astral lens to focus the vibrations required into the ring-pass-not of the magician, therefore the person wanting to use the talisman MUST charge it in order to focus it. If a Talisman requires charging then that charge will by qualification diminish over time so it will require re-charging occasionally. Perhaps these people whom you quote are confusing an Amulet (a magical device which by virtue of its natural shape or quality emits particular magical vibrations and propagates them in the immediate vicinity) with Talismans; which are structured entirely by the magician for a specific purpose. Amulets are essentially naturally created Symbols whereas a Talisman is a representation of the universe as the magician wants it to occur. One is the universe imposing itself on the magician, the other is the magician imposing him/herself on the universe. Listen to dimwits and you become a diwmit - that's what Marabas says. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ?     posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 11:55 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 12:44 PM      
 
Talismans still require a wee bit of ritual, whether making your own or
activating one that's been made for you, although in the latter case it's
quite simple needing maybe a candle and the right moon-phase and consecrating
oil.(see the SA's talisman selection as a good starter). Candle-magick
(actually FIRE magick) needs a full set-up so you'd need privacy, but as M
suggests in his Candle-magick spellbook (chuck all yer new age spellbooks
in the bin and get a copy of this !)
Click Here for More info
you could check into a hotel or use
someone else's place for the duration...
 
Topic     Candle-magic or Talismans best ?     posted by RW User
posted on May 05, 2008 at 06:58 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 01:08 PM      
 
I am fairly new to practical magic and have to be a bit
discreet, and at present couldn't have a lot of paraphernalia
around the house so I was wondering if Talismanic magic where
I could easily conceal a talisman would be as effective
as Candle-Magic (As this is the SA's forum, speaking in terms
of their offered items, would an SA talisman for wealth be
as efficient as a spellkit for wealth or using the said spell
from Candle Magick spellbook ?)...RW
 
[Infoburst: You are creating false choices here. It's like asking whether Red is better than Green. Nothing is generally better than everything else in genuine occult technique. The reason why there are so many magical methods and techniques is that humans are individuals and their lives are unique - hence a one-size-fits-all mentality will not work. A rite or spell which has been successful for others is a good indication that it will work also for you but if your situation is particularly complex or long-standing then a better result may be had using an ancillary method. What is important is that you take up your destiny and begin to use magic whichever method you start with, because even if it doesn't produce a complete solution you will still have taken the first step on the ladder to success and can eliminate that to move on to additional techniques which will give you what you need. So, it's horses for courses and without knowing your exact situation it is difficult to advise. That is why the S.A. has a free advice line. Email me in confidence and we will advise you wnat to do. BB Denise Wadsworth
 
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Topic     RE: Can I Send You Cash For An Order?     posted by Denise W User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:03 PM      
 
Hi Beep, One or two other clients have pointed this out to us before. Apparently the 'cybersitter' programs used by libraries may bar you from logging on to the S.A. site because it has 'occult' content. This of course is to 'protect' any under-age kids who use their computers. (so much for lack of censorship in the web!) If you have a word with your librarian they will usually re-designate our url so that adults can surf our site. As we don't sell things to under 18s the librarian shouldn't have a problem with releasing our site. Let me know if it works.
BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Can I Send You Cash For An Order?     posted by Beep User
posted on April 04, 2008 at 03:54 PM      
 
Well Denise, that's fine for Barry Old Client but my problem is that I haven't got a bloody telephone! I use Internet Cafes whenever I need anything so that dodge about printing out the order form and posting in the order will be very useful to me.
Now here's a thing - I did once use a computer at my local library and I couldn't locate the S.A. on it. I thought I had written the website address down wrongly but it checked out okay when I got back home. Why was that? BEEP
 
Topic     RE: Can I Send You Cash For An Order?     posted by Denise W User
posted on April 02, 2008 at 08:08 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:35 AM      
 
That's a good way, RicenPeas. Here's another. UK residents have traditionally just sent cash and Old Client can take heart, there really is no difference from the Old Days - we still have thousands of clients who actually prefer to pick up a pen, write out their order and send it in by post. Mail-order is still the bulk of our business and our website is an extension of that. True, we've been going so long that some of our established clients are too long in the tooth to bother with computers ;-) but even the silver surfers and the computer Nerds amongst our clientelle often choose to order by mail because they don't trust the net or want to keep their transactions off their credit card statement and away from prying eyes. People can still use POs or Cash just like in the old days. It takes a couple of days longer for your order to get to us in the post compared withthe instantaneous nature of ordering on-line but despatch is by return so we are often still quicker than some on-line outfits. Go:
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/cashcond.htm for details of how to do it. Go:
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/orderfor.htm for an order form you can print out which leads you through the process. Basically all you need do is make a note of the stockcodes and prices of the items you need whilst surfing, write these on the printed out order form, and post off to us along with your remittance. Easy peasy. If you are still unsure about how to do it just email me on denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk. BB Denise W.
 
 
Topic     check this out     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 01, 2008 at 05:41 PM      
 
i had the same problem. wot i did is go to 3v.com and register for a 3v card. its a pay as you go credit card. you buy vouches at a local outlet and use it to open a paypal account which the S.A. accepts, or as a visa card anywhere online. full instructions on the site. good luck
 
terry
 
Topic     Can I Send You Cash For An Order?     posted by Old Client User
posted on April 01, 2008 at 05:17 PM      
 
Hi everyone at the S.A. I hope all is well with you. Denise, You probably don't remember me but I used to call at the shop many, many years ago when the S.A.was open for browsing. I've recently got into computers and stumbled across your website which I really like and am attracted to several products (I used Ruthvah many years ago to good effect! ;-) ) but I don't have a credit or debit card - won't give them houseroom - so I seem to be in a kind of financial limbo. I don't like cards because I want to keep my purchases private. Is there any other way? Can I send you Cash through the post like before? Remember me to Mark, Phil and Simon if they still work there. Barry, Old Client
 
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Topic     Drugs     posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 02:09 AM      
 
The main point is that there should be a relavent framework. Drugs certainly open the mind but much control can be lost via this, unless ones mind can be anchored to the intended act. Again experience life as you will. Purely subjective but no less valuable but not for everyone. Disclaimer on every level unless it works for u not advicated.
 
Topic     RE: Can the use of drugs be spiritually valuable?     posted by John D. User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 04:35 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:43 AM      
 
The controversy about drugs is shot-through with the kind of self-righteous humbug which disables any sensible discussion. In this climate any genuine debate stands a good chance of being wildly accused of promoting Drug use and if we want to retain free speech on this forum we should be careful in how it is portrayed. This is a very important subject anthropologically in connection with religious observance and the evolution of medicine.
We have therefore opened up some guidelines for discussion on this or any other thread which concerns drug usage.
 
There are plenty of forums on legalising drugs etc. The SAEF is for discussion on the ESOTERIC aspects as it applies to shamanistic magic since the dawn of mankind.
 
Every culture has a history of sacred drug usage. Substances which enabled the priests and priestesses of their religions to atone with their gods. Many of the greatest painters and poets throughout history have taken various substances to heighten their understanding of life and the human condition. Without the sacred use of drugs our cultures simply would not have evolved as they have. Without an understanding of the use of 'drugs' by ancient soothsayers the pharmaecological properties of plants would not be known today and people the world over would be suffering needlessly.
 
Thus when an occultist talks of 'drugs' or mind alterning substances we are not talking of 'recreational drugs'
 
but of sacred substances which open doors in the mind to enable greater understanding. Discussions about drugs in this forum should be limited to the sacred use of substances in their historical context.
Regards, John Dennis
 
 
[Inforburst: Anyone unsure of how sacraments are used should read Marabas's
 
OEXP102 Free Spirit Through the use of Plant Substances.
 
Topic     RE: Can the use of drugs be spiritually valuable?     posted by andy User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 10:13 AM      
 
Hi there. Red Dragon let me point out that if you asked virtually any British person if they had any 'unfortunate' experiences whilst under the 'affluence of incohol' then the answers from most would be yes. Everybody who gets drunk will at some point wake the next day and think, ''Oh my God, I did'nt do that did I''?! Two options: firstly, never drink again or secondly, feel a little ashamed and then get over it! Simple. As to any other drugs being used in ritual then in my opinion the answer should be a big no. Any form of experimentationion with drugs can lead to further experimentation with stronger substances. I know of too many people who are now regular cocaine users/heroine users and they all started with a bit of cannabis experimentation and went from there because they found they 'liked' it.
 
Topic     RE: Can the use of drugs be spiritually valuable?     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 26, 2007 at 11:12 PM      
 
In reply to Red Dragon's post, the viewpoints expressed are mine and solely mine and are not the views of the S.A. just me, myself, and I.
 
Yep, no doubt about it Red Dragon if used cautiously, I would say drugs can be spiritually valuable in loosening the girders of the soul so to speak. One has to test the information gathered via drugs as in any other cases of spiritual exploration, the method used being something like gematria, qabalah correspondences etc (or whatever method one finds efficacious). Its a matter of choice, one will use them others will not. If it is one's will to use drugs in their quest for attaining, then so be it. I just feel that those who do should not be held in contempt for doing so by others, and that information gathered by the use of drugs does not always equal false spiritual knowledge. If information gathered under the influence of drugs is tested and held to be valid according to whatever system one uses for testing (i.e. correspondences, gematria etc), then there is no reason why that information should not be put forward as just as valid as that gathered under more "rigid" methods.
 
Topic     Can the use of drugs be spiritually valuable?     posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 26, 2007 at 08:28 PM      
 
My opinions are NOT those of the S.A. or any affiliated members, they are purely pesonal view points.
I do not reccomend taking drugs (Unless prescribed by one's G.P.)
to anyone, however, I recently had an unfortunate experience with alchohol, widely used and available, yet possibly the most dangerous of all drugs. Personally, I might prepare for Ritual by partaking of 'strange drugs', finding this morally acceptable, and, used with extreme care,beneficial. No doubt there are those who will damn my words. I would remind any pro-drug writers to add a disclaimer, that your views are not those of the S.A. or any other member; also this is a very sensitive issue, and words should be carefully thought through,(if you will.)With considration of those who will read your words. I hope this is of value.
 
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Topic     RE: Cats and Physic pets     posted by AnnB User
posted on May 29, 2010 at 05:37 PM      
 
Riceand Peas How are things with the baby and the dog all well I hope look after that girl of yours Keep well and safe
 
Topic     Cats and Pyshics     posted by AnnB User
posted on February 02, 2010 at 03:37 PM      
 
Great news glad to see all going well. Keep well and keep safe Blessings with the baby
 
Topic     RE: Cats and Physic pets     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on January 31, 2010 at 12:44 AM      
 
Howaya Anne, just a quick note to say "Howaya". Everthing is going GREAT with me too. My girlfriend and I have just come back from India and we are moving into a beutiful new home expecting our first baby!!! We also got ourselves a dog that we decided to name "Ramsey Dukes" on acount of his light hearted but challenging nature. I will get back to writting soon but for now have the best of Luck and take care.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Cats and Physic pets     posted by Ann B User
posted on December 28, 2009 at 09:54 AM      
 
I have just been readin forum havent looked at it for months trying to recover am now a lot better and seeing things as they should be, I held a Medium eveing for the support of Brainwave a childs Charity for children born with disabilties there I received a message clarifying what I had been trying to understand for a while. It stated clearly that I was to take my learnings and use to pass onto younger people hopefully trotting them off onto their correct paths.so have been doing this, holding one to one classes and they seem to be going the way that was intended for them. This helps me as I can not do the physical as much as would like, but am seeing that there is a place for me in this world. Have done a lot of travelling and found a great deal of peace.Also my late daughter is continually with me guiding even to the point of which earrings to wear, which she always wants to be pearls. (pearls for tears so they say but she is happy enough) Rice and Peas you are the reason have answered after all this time, I still regard you as someone who is special and will hopefully go a long way
 
Topic     RE: Cats & Psychic     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 22, 2009 at 11:01 PM      
 
Hi Anne, This thread did not pan out to well. It was not my plan to offend you personaly and i am sorry for the messy feelings it may have generated. I just wanted to discuss why magick rebounds. My examples were way off the mark due to a misunderstanding of the "equations of magick" in Liber Kaos by Peter Carroll. This misunderstanding had me seperate the perceived from the perceiver, hence my materialistic approach. Our Karma can be a bitch if we resist her (she likes to move) so lets just say lessons learnt.
 
Always about if you wanna discuss
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Cats & Psychic     posted by AnnB User
posted on May 31, 2009 at 09:42 AM      
 
Denise hi yes I am extremely unwell at the moment and feeling very sensitive and tired my back has broken a lot more and its increasingly hard to walk. I never intended for the example I quoted to be seen of anything about Karma this particular person is just a person that delights in spreading rumours about people and watching everyone fight each other I have never joined in though she has made many attempts on me to me this is where the reap what you sow comes back she is now a very lonely person as no one will trust her or confide in her. I hold many peoples secret thoughts and they will stay that way. My interest lies mainly in protecting the young and guiding them when I can when I was young I tried all avenues and came to the right path yes when I was deeply troubled the left hand path did come into my mind but not for long I lead a gentle quiet life meditation every day having young and old come to me when they are troubled for counselling and protection. My magick is good and pure never used for evil which what am always trying to put across evil gets you nowhere I had feelings for Rice@Peas and did honestly feel that he was singling me out for my beliefs Being unwell perhaps I saw things in the wrong way have been divining and come to this conclusion to Rice@Peas I send Love and hope we can get back on the path that really brings us all together My Charlotte cat in spirit has taken to following us down the road to the market as we used to keep her in when we went down town now we have no choice than to let her come. Also my mind has been distracted by the death suddenly of a very dear friend she is happy now in spirit and that is good. Im glad you like my input and have decided to try again.
 
Topic     Cats & Psychic     posted by AnnB User
posted on May 28, 2009 at 09:38 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM      
 
Well at last Denise has explained what Ive been trying to say for a long time no one questions Denise which is good but I say again I have seen many harmful things done to someone and eventually it all came back on her nothing to do with magic it just seems as though let us say people always reap what they sow. So am now signing off too ill and sad off the way Im always pin pointed as the one to pick on so please no more to say and that I believe I have always led my life as a good witch and I hope a good person doesnt get you anything but grief seems to me no more kindly advice will come from me also I have read Marx Descartes Rousseau Baudeliere and do not confuse this philosophy with Magick
 
[Infoburst: You can't be feeling well today AnnB which is why you have misinterpreted the general discussion as an attack on your goodself which no-one involved has intended. Live to fight another day; - your comments are valued and feel free to criticise me any time ;-). There is no conflict with most of what you say but you are confusing the errant New-Age view of Karma with cause and effect.
Marabas's OEXP066 explains how people create their own future by willed ambition or by DEFAULT, thus people create their own heaven and hell by their actions, or lack of them. As ultimately we all come from One and return to One any action against the flow of the universe is a form of self-harm which will create repercussions in one's future. If we could not create our own futures then magick would not work. BB Denise W. ]
 
 
Topic     RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on May 23, 2009 at 07:13 PM
edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM      
 
Im new to the idea of 3 fold return. I cant belive that the Universe which expresss both spontinuaty and causality can can give me an exact 3 for 1, unless i divide my whole into 3. Though I reap what I sow is more than evident.
Karmic retribution hits those who belive in it because we manifest our belifes. Marx says we only drown in water because we belive in gravity but when you have spent your whole life stuck to the earth this belife to walk on water would have to be a pure one.
Im sure theres lots more to learn here which is why I raised the subject with a rehtorical gambit.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Hi Ricenpeas, Good Point. M says that the 'law of threefold return' is an epithet not a statement of cosmic mechanics. It was originally used to try emphasise the fact that all magic (good or bad) may have consequences beyond that which the beginner may expect or account for and thus all magic requires deep thought and divination backed by disinterested wisdom before an operation is begun. (E.G. If extending the life of a loved one involved shortening your own should and could you do it? )The idea of 'the law of threefold return' has been worked-up in error by many latterday neo-pagans who have not escaped the thrall of Xist indoctrinated morality into some kind of cosmic retribution when it is nothing of the kind. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 21, 2009 at 05:42 PM      
 
Thanks for the lesson Dennise, some exellent food for thought. Both Marabas and Peter Carroll influence me enourmously and it does send me in a spin Is my uderstanding of Principia Magica wrong or, as I suspect, have I just over simplified? I shall look forwards to coming back to this thread after a some thought. I would like Ricenpeas to be of some use to this sight as well as to me so please exuse this awkward phase Im currently in and give me a good kick if I need it.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 18, 2009 at 02:37 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 01:51 PM      
 
Hi JG, I have given 2 examples of misapplied Magick (something which can not be igored for the sake of beginners). And I hope the examples will push people to getting propper techical advice from Geuine Adepts with Geuine experience. Magick Works!!! Im a novice not an Adept and I am easily put in my place, but I do have questions for the sake of my and all's evolution. Morality, Karma and Retrbiution OXEP 066 is definatly a must for any one concerned about this thread, and thanks for the imput. :)
 
Ricenpeas
 
 
[Infoburst: Marabas says that in this ongoing debate about magic and the law of threefold return it is common currency for faulty logic to be used and we should strive hard to avoid it. People's lives are not static and experience the flux of good and bad things all the time. In the incidences of things that go from bad to worse in people's lives it is not possible without detailed analysis of six months before and six months after the stated point to ascertain exactly what caused the occurrence but the 'C follows B therefore A indirectly causes C' argument is often used to validate these stories and is very faulty. It's the equivalent of saying that because Hitler was a vegetarian sooner or later all vegetarians will become genocidal dictators. ;-) Can someone answer the question as to why karmic retribution only ever seems to occur to people who believe in karmic retribution? BB Denise W.]
 
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Topic     RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets     posted by JG User
posted on April 18, 2009 at 01:09 PM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM      
 
Hi, Ann, R&P, I feel I had to join in and add my imput. You talk of magic rebounding and of a spell to make someone like another person which actually caused the person harm. Reading your messages may well scare beginners from using magic at all I felt. It will be interesting to hear other peoples views but bare in mind the S.A sell a spellkit for revenge which is balanced so that no harm comes to the user. Also,
 
have you read Marabas's OEXP 066?
 
Topic     RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 09:28 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 01:39 PM      
 
Lol Anne, i pay good money for the heebie jeebies. I have had your writtings in my mind for nearly a year now so apologies if i've jumped on you out of the blue, but all im looking for is some respectfull debate. Sorry if my example offended. There was no intent, i was just repeating a tale. Another, and more tactful, tale i have is of my girlfriends mother who wanted her sons work mates to like him as there was some conflict. So, she used a spell. He got ran over and all the work mates visited him in hospital, felt sorry for him, and the conflict was gone. This was a error in her application of Magick though it does ot fit as nicely.
 
"a Whitch saying about rebounding is An it harm no one do what ye Will" My question would be ..Is this a technical statement implyig that the uiverse punishes those who harm others or a moral statement based on a particular Whitch's experiances?
 
With fraternal respect
 
Ricenpeas
 
[Infoburst: Presumably you were asking Annb the question rhetorically? A quick glance at history will prove that evil is not punished. Often people with the greatest blood on their hands are lauded as great persons (Genghis Khan, Alexander, etc. Marabas teaches that the idea of
cosmic retribution comes from the conscience. Corrupt priesthoods use this compassion to control those who submit to their world-view. We know when we do something mean and thus the priests can impose guilt upon us. Part of magical training is to break the chains of this indoctrination and set our minds free.
(see Secrets of Mind Control) People who spread warnings about the law of threefold return without thinking about it are unliberated and will punish themselves unconsciously sooner or later, whatever they do; but Magic itself does not rebound in the way that your examples illustrate.
 
Topic     RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets     posted by AnnB User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 04:21 PM      
 
Rice an peas Hello I didnt realise I was giving you the heebie jeebies or am I getting the message wrong. I am trained in pschology and pyschiatry so perhaps see things in a more rational angle sometimes people analyse too much.A Witch's saying about rebounding is An it harm no one do what ye will
This is the idealogy I have always tried to live my life by of course Ive tripped up now and again who hasnt
Your compensation remark about broken backs wasnt very tactful as I too have a broken back as the result of a car doing 80mph landing in the back of our stationery vehicle at a traffic stop on a country road, no amount of compensation could account for pain endured every day though meditation helps also having a deal of friends helps too. I am a lot older than you of course and made youthful errors but they are a learning curve.At present am very unwell as my compnsatory back has gone onto another level and the walking is geting a lot harder But I travel astrally also in mind away from the bed so am quite happy. Take care and do realise that badness can rebound back onto the bringer I have seen it time and time again
 
Topic     RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 02:27 AM      
 
Hi Anne, hope all is well. If I may, I would like to respectfuly challage one of your ideas about Magick "rebouding". I tried to tackle it before but due to youth I came across a bit arrogant. From what i can see, there seems to be 2 elements at play here
1 Subconscience resistance... ie The Gods are trying to teach us something
2 Physical resistance... this is best understood from the tale of the person who enchants for a fortune only to break there back and recieve compensation as that was the easiest path for the magick to manifest.
Methinks holding these 2 ideas in our heads we can give other more technical advice and avoid giving people the eeby jeebies.
 
What say ye Sister
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Cats and Pyschic Pets     posted by AnnB User
posted on November 30, 2008 at 12:02 PM      
 
Hello all been away a long time been trying to get to grips with expressionism post impressionism in art have finally clicked I hope if this has any funny words written backwards please excusethe Me has decided to pay a visit anyway enough of that. Im writing to say my cat Charlotte who passed over and has been helping me with John's husband beliefs he always had said he isnt a believer and thas fine with me although sometimes I threaten to turn him into a frog but he must have to admit that witchcraft works as I worked a spell and along he came how glad was I that it bought someone good well the other day we were just going out and we both heard a bell tinkling how did she get out John asked me of Millie, so we turned round nothing there just the tinkling of her little bell now she can follow us to her hearts content and not be put back indoors.Also strangely my late husband has been travelling about with us when we go to Chelsmford on the country bus,for someone who always went by car it must be quite novel. He just sits at the back quietly looking out of the window.Well will everyone have a peaceful Yuletide And a special big hug goes to Spike
 
Topic     Physcic Cats & Pets     posted by AnnB User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 03:23 PM      
 
Hello everyone Im here again of course been under the weather again I get bored with it so will not go on about it.
My new cat Millie is seeing spirit she watches i walk across the ceiling absolutely fascinated and Im fascinated watching her what a wonderful gift they cannot vrbally share with us. She has seen the other black cat (sweep or charlotte) trotting round and looks at them full of wonder. My dog Jack is very good at knowing when I am unwell I was doing my level best to sweep the gardenleaves up but he would not let me just stood in front of me and I couldnt budge I tried to go round the other side of the wishing well in the garden but he beat me to it so I gave in very unraciously. Now when I get out of bed he follows me everywhere and if in the other room and he feels Im in trouble he will go fetch his Dad How blessed I am we really dont deserve this adoration but we have itand should be very grateful which I truly am.
Not quite sure where to put this piece of news but my guide Indian brave and wolf paid me a visit to say that I would be invited to a regression and no way was I to follow through with it. Sure enough a young friend who is learning from me and others came round with the thought I turned it down he must have a good reason for this action and trusting him implicitly I have followed his words.Take Care all Rice & Peas hello Rex are you well Denise Blessings
 
Topic     Cats & Psychich Pets     posted by AnnB User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 10:56 AM      
 
Many thankyous Mrs.J. Yes a Rite of Passage is essential if they wish to return hurrah if not so be it.
I must say the little imp (6 years old when he died) who I have written about for he drowned in his gardens pond and was by it one day when he looked up to see it nothing of course to do with the pets must this little man came home with me and has settled and has great delight turning over the channels on my tv it drives me to distraction but there you go what can you do.
Be blessed Mrs.J. and write again Im glad this forum has taken off
it was Denise who suggested it so she must be awarded the plaudits
I know crawling again. Millie the new cat is making great strides and of course once again Dad is besotted him and his girls.
AnnB
 
Topic     RE: Cats and DogsPsychic Pets     posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 10:14 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM      
 
 
[infoburst:
Welcome Mrs J.
I would say a rite of passing is essential because it actually does the reverse of what you appear to think it does. A rite of passage does not irretrievably remove a pet's spirit from the physical world but rather builds bridges between worlds. It also helps the pet-owners come to terms with the immediate loss - a very valuable function. That link can then be used later, when and if necessary, by the animal and/or the pet owners.
A rite of passing should be more than a mere eulogy and it was the lack of a good Passing Rite which prompted Marabas to write one. If you want to read how it should be done then try
Marabas's OEXP067 (ANCIENT EGYPTIAN FUNERARY RITE FOR PETS / ANIMALS:) because it is a brilliant re-working and I believe can make all the difference. BB Denise W. ]
 
 
Topic     RE: Cats and DogsPsychic Pets     posted by Mrs J User
posted on July 10, 2008 at 01:31 AM      
 
Hi AnnB – this is a nice thread. You have brought about a gentleness from some of the forum contributors, you are, I sense, a very special lady.
 
We have always had dogs and they have all seen presences. They watch entities walk around the room and smell up their legs. I would like to pass on an experience I had with one of our family pets. We homed her from the RSPCA, an overweight jack russel whom we renamed Nellie. They told us she was four years old. However, three years later she was crippled with arthritis and her hair turned white so I suspect a few extra years was added onto her. Dogs in our home went together with kids. I never considered any pet a familiar as I had never had spiritual experiences with them – apart from Nellie and this wasn’t until her death. We had gone out fishing but had to turn back when the sea turned rough. We pulled the boat up the steep gravel drive from the beach and my husband was in a ghastly mood. Nellie was running up the side of the boat and I remember telling my husband “for gods sake don’t run the dog over” and then decided to get out and run with her. The kids did too and when I sensed no more danger I started back to the house. One of the children shouted me and as I looked up Nellie was looking at me – she needed help – I ran as quickly as I could but within a few minutes of me getting there Nellie was dead – she had had a massive heart attack. My son who was holding her told me it was ok that she was only sleeping – he lay her on the gravel and I put my hand on her body. Her heart had stopped but the blood kept pumping around her body slowly so it looked liked she was still breathing but I knew from her eyes there would be no revival. From the bellows of my stomach I screamed – I screamed as loud as I could and in that instant Nellie took me with her through her last breaths – I can only describe the passing on as when you are half asleep and half awake – semi conscious, very peaceful and noises nulled and then we were in summerland. I have heard the other side described as this before and that is truly what it looked like we were in the same place and still the same spirits but it was brighter and thus felt warmer. I could see with such clarity and there was such peacefulness and no senses of emotion at all. Nellie was looking at me and then at her lying body and she really did not make any sense of it at all and then I was back in our vibration and everything looked gray to what I had experienced. Nellie wouldn’t leave my side – she only ever did this when she needed help. When we got home we bought a cherry tree and buried her under this. We did a passing rite for her. She walked into the ether but she didn’t really want to go – she wanted to stay with us. I still miss her and that was three years ago.
 
Ann B I thought long and hard about sharing this but after reading your comments about clearing it brought to me a terrible thought – maybe she did not want me to help her this way – maybe she just wanted to hang around but I thought I was helping her to move on.
Maybe next time one of our pets dye I will think long and hard before doing a passing rite.
 
Regards
 
Topic     Cats Psychic Pets     posted by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:11 PM      
 
Many thank you my friend Rex am feeling a lot better now an ready to prattle. John is a kind gentleman but when I am unwell and misbehave (over do it) he becomes a real tyrant my own fault of course.Anyway thought would tell you about Pumpkin she was the runt of the litter living on a farm just up the road to my bungalow My lat husband had bought her home and we took her to the vet to check her over he was always bringing home cats that were in trouble and they were all loved but the vet looked at this tiny bundle she is a waste of time give her 6 months thats all Frank just picked up the little one saying we'll see about that and we tookher home she died about 6 years ago never got any bigger used to sit in my hand a the great age of 20years.
Frank died in hospital in 1989 Brompton Hosp in London, so there was no way that animal could know but the night he died she went outside the house and refused to come in I had to feed her outside make her a littlehome in the greenhouse all through the bad weather she wouldnt come in. Then along came John and we married in six months and what happened in came Pumpkin to live indoors again
straight onto John's lap and she hooked him completely.She died peacefully in my arms we both howled and let Charlotte into our lives.
Another strange cat was Harold when I was on nights at hospital he was always waiting at the bus stop when I came home weird isnt it.
So Rex perhaps your cat is the same they are strange creatures though wonderful, no wonder the Egyptians worshipped them they surely had the right idea.
Take CAre all
RiceandPeas they can drive you to distraction I know
AnnB
 
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Topic     Get Well soon     posted by Rex User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 05:03 PM      
 
Ann,
 
My thoughts are with you, May the Gods bless you for a speedy
recovery to good health.
 
Rex
 
Topic     Cats & Psychic     posted by AnnB User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 04:45 PM      
 
Thank you for all the input coming into this forum
 
I am a tad unwell at present and only being allowed to send a small message and not prattle for hours. Having been sedated for almost two days and just coming round? Will write in a few days
But keep your input coming Denise works hard for us all
and hello to Rex and rice@peas JOhn and Denise
See you in a few days when next on planet earth
Ann x
 
Topic     Im a Howler     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 11:26 AM      
 
Howaya Anne, Rex. Its a sunny Irish day and im on top form. Ive rescude 2 cats from people who couldnt be bothered. 1 was a timmed kitten who had never been let out. Got him his injections, extended his bounderies and Bobs your uncle a few months later hes a tiger. Aaaaahh. Gave him away to a friend. The other was more a lesson for me. I grew up in a house full of cidar swiging crusties and aswell as many dogs there was an evil cat. It was never fed, never let out so shat everywhere. These were obviously contributing factors to why the cat was evil but that didnt prepare me for the heinous crime it was about to commit. One still and pleasent evening i was happily preparing a bit of dinner, whistling to the sound of stoners coughing, when the evil cat jumped up and nicked my stake. MY STAKE. Obviously i went on a 1 man crusaid and cought the unrepentant bugger, put both my hands round its neck and ........ No chance, couldnt do it. It just wasnt in me. A very strange feeling of having a life in your hands and i learnt alot about my own limitations. I catnaped the cat and gave him to someone who could shoe the Devil from him and as far as i know it led a good honest life after all. I never tolled the crusty girl what i had done nor will i ever. I have a dog now. Big stupid head on her.
 
All the best
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Cats & Psychic Pets     posted by AnnB User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 09:13 AM      
 
Rex Thankyou
 
Rice&Peas Are you well
 
Denise W Hello
 
Will write tomorrow when feeling a bit brighter
BB Ann
 
Topic     RE: Cats     posted by Rex User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 11:54 PM      
 
I should also add that the old boy will just not live in the house.
I have tried but when his original owner passed away the next owner fed
him but didn't/wouldn't(?) take him in. Subsequently he is now fully an
outdoor cat though I do have a bed for him in the shed which he likes
complete with sheepskin rug.
 
Rex.
 
Topic     RE: Cats     posted by Rex User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 01:55 PM      
 
Hello Ann,
 
Thank you for your invite to speak about my cat which I will:
I have an old Tom who has been visiting my back kitchen window
for many years, occasionally will come into the kitchen as I
leave the window open. He is a wise old fellow and was the
resident here two owners back previous to myself and never moved
on. I leave my shed door open so he always has a place of shelter.
So he's not really 'my cat' but we have a mutual fondness for
one another and I always enjoy his coming to the window for a feed
and a psychic chat.
 
All the best,
 
Rex.
 
Topic     Cats     posted by AnnB User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 07:48 PM      
 
I have a vsit from my dog(Rottie) who is in spirit together with my black cat Sweep. The animals we have now are very aware of them and will often stare at where they are but are not at all afraid which is good as I would hate for the spirit ones to have to be cleared.My husband always tells the dog what tie hes coming home and he gets up tp go t meet him at just the right time. He also knows when John is getting on the train at Weston Super Mare where he was visiting his mum as he becoes agitated at that time and wont settle properly until he arrives home.what great creatures they are
I hope someone else joins in this column Id hate to be the only star of this particular forum.My Baby cat is now sleeping with my expensive baby doll ade of porcelain lying in the moses basket resting her head on his tummy c'est la vie
 
Topic     RE: Cats and Psychic Pets     posted by ann B User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 08:54 PM      
 
Hi John thank you for your reply I do believe in the ability of cats to know what is happening and acting upon it.Our new cat is but a baby and full of play as the nets and blinds and the fish Lily will certify.
I did have a cat Harold who used to wait at the bus stop when I finished the night shift and walked up the road with me cannot explain it. Our dogs always know when their dad is due home even from Weston Super Mare when hes getting on the train weird but strange
Hope other folks join in and if anyone has any poetry about cats our Moggie Mag of CPL would be very happy to print no reward just the glory of being a funny little journal
BB
Ann B
 
Topic     RE: Cats and Psychic Pets     posted by John User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 05:54 PM      
 
Hi Ann,
 
Used to work for RSPCA long time ago and was always bringing
animals home so they could avoid the needle a bit longer !
 
I've had a good few cats but at present I have several small
dogs. I'm always amused at how many cats can freeze themselves
into seeming invisibility so my dogs will walk right past,
oblivious to their presence or even their smell.
 
My dogs can always sense when I'm due home from work and will
go to the bedroom window to get a view of the road, and I finish
at varying times so it's not a body-clock thing. They do the
same with my wife.
 
Regards,
 
John.
 
Topic     Cats and Psychic Pets     posted by Ann B User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 04:20 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:05 AM      
 
Hi there I wonder how many esotericists are CPL(CPR) members like me? I have an intrinsic insight to cats they are intelligent funny outrageous and good companions.I have just lost my darling burmese cat Charlotte she died in my and her dads arms after we wrapped her up and took her to bed with us she is buried in the garden with our other pets(not the dogs as they were too big) we talk to them regularly knowing where each is lying we have planted trees or bushes over them, the dogs having their own tree. Charlotte was a special cat as we her and I used to talk a lot, she often spoke words, like why incessantly and no two of her favourite, she also M liked to do the emailing and was always sitting on my lap when I was trying to type. We now have a baby cat and all that goes with that the blinds being used literally as skate boards the china of the dresser is in great danger also, but she has filled the void left my darling she isnt ready to commune yet but we are talking to her so will let you know just now all she wants to do eat and play. I hope this starts a good thread with cat lovers all of our denomination should I feel have a connection with all animals and nature. One last thing before I sign off as I tend to prattle My cousin has a Newfoundland dog who will not behave for anyone. He comes up to me sits down and gives me his paw, we are defintely on the same wavelength. NO one in my family except my son and husband can understand this as they do not believe as I do.
Take Care
Blssed Be. Continue and grow
Ann B
 
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Topic     Chaosphere on Youtube     posted by abrxs93 User
posted on May 02, 2009 at 04:17 AM      
 
Excellent to hear the introduction snippet from the Chaosphere experience
on Youtube. Well done for allowing this to remain posted. Thanks.
 
Topic     RE: Chaosphere cassette excerpt/s posted on Youtube     posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM      
 
Greetings John, Thank you for your timely warning. The person responsible for this breach of our copyright has explained his position which is not one of financial gain and he has complied with all our requirements in connection with it.
 
As you are probably aware from previous incidents, had this been an attempt to pirate the recording then Marabas would have excercised maximum Geburic energies upon those responsible through the legal process but upon reflection he sees no need to be punitive to seekers who make genuine mistakes and so to further promote the interests of Chaos Magick has agreed that the first excerpt only of the recording can be kept on Youtube as a kind of 'sampler' of the tape for newcomers, providing links are also included to our webpage for it.
Thus with the wisdom of Solomon a negative will turn into a positive for everyone. The Youtube page now also carries an 'authorised' history of the tape and the early Chaos scene as it connects with the S.A. and a link to this forum thread on it so the situation can be monitored.
Full details of the Chaosphere (now on CD) can be seen here.
 
Thank you for your keen observation of the breach of our copyright. Marabas will be writing to you separately with a reward for your loyalty. Have a good Beltaine. BB Denise Wadsworth
Scribe to Marabas
 
Topic     Chaosphere cassette excerpt/s posted on Youtube     posted by John K User
posted on April 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM
edited on April 22, 2009 at 11:00 AM      
 
Dear Friends at Sorcerer's Apprentice,
 
I have just noticed there is at least one excerpt of your Chaosphere recording
posted on Youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-tAF5kHRQc
labelled chaos magick cassette tape 1986 (excerpt), described as:
First 10 minutes from side A, 1986
chaos magick cassette tape.
Copyright 1986 Sorcerers Apprentice Leeds
 
Best Regards,
 
John K.
 
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Topic     Chaosphere CD     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM      
 
Thanks for the advice, I have just paid £10 for Liber Null S.A. collectors edition. Its P.O. box number was 888.
 
Love it
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     What is the best spell for revenge?     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 19, 2008 at 07:56 PM      
 
I will stop patronising when you start being more thoughtfull to the time we give you. Would you like to re-phrase the question?
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ??     posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 19, 2008 at 06:06 PM      
 
what are you on about??
 
could you use simple plain English please and also try NOT TO PATRONISE!!!
 
Topic     RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ??     posted by A Watcher. User
posted on September 10, 2008 at 01:35 PM      
 
Dear anonynon,
Is it your karma or this forum person you are trying to steer?
Karma is performed through people, you cannot restrict the will of others by barking orders.
Will you ever grasp these simple concepts?
Your personal experience of karma is not good reason to impose your universe on others. Learn, break through the wall.
Learn=evolve, devolve to the slime if you must.
Please, do not restrict the growth of others any further.
 
Topic     RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ??     posted by Anonynon User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 10:52 AM      
 
is it your karma or your friends your trying to steer????? Best stick to your own affairs!!!
 
Topic     The buck stops here.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 05, 2008 at 10:00 AM      
 
Dear One and All,
The Astral concept 'Babalonuit888' became a physical reality, long before my expected launch date, in '09, although the Quickening, launched 08/08/08 has obviously been successful.
A puzzling Astral vision, 4-6 months ago, shows 100+ people worldwide are using this banner.
As I am the conduit for all this, and able to look after myself, I take responsibility for comments made in this name. I.E. If you have any queries regarding the banner entries, this i.p , or any other, please contact me, that I can clarify matters. Thankyou.
Best Wishes, YITGW, nome (NEMO)
 
Topic     RE: TO BABALONUIT888 RE: Progress.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 05, 2008 at 09:49 AM      
 
Dear Hannah,
If you will, (Feel it is truly your inner desire/wish), Please
update us on your progress. We can All learn from each other.
Best Wishes.
 
Topic     RE: TO BABALONUIT888 RE: Progress.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 07:32 PM      
 
Hi Hannah,
Thanks for your comments, flattery will get you everywhere!
Seriously, I try to aid fellow aspirants as best able, hadn't realised my ideas were intelligable, let alone insightful!
Well, I'm still here, then away for a while. I generally reccomend Ricenpeas for advice, He may be referring to a spell that
Fr. Marabus composed, which I've used. Your cause seems righteous, very important, that one has the assured confidence to perform the spell. The behaviour/situation you describe, is despicable.
In my case, I used the spell against a nasty 'man', who did me a terrible wrong. Did it work? Well, He fled the area! Very effective.
Very best wishes, Hannah. If you're unclear about any aspect, I'm sure someone will here will help you. Bye for now.
 
Topic     RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ??     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 06:41 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:10 PM      
 
If it has to be done Hannah then best do it properly. Marabas does a spell kit for Revenge/Vidication/To Right an Injustice.
 
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm
 
 
You can start a new threads in the 
Topicslist page. Keeps it all userfriendly. :)
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ??     posted by HANNAH User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:18 PM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 01:33 PM      
 
My friend has been cheated on and now I wish to exact a little revenge..........any ideas??
 
 
[Infoburst: Hanna, why are you wasting time asking people on this thread how to work a Revenge Spell when Marabas has already compiled one which is not only unique but carefully balanced to avoid the operator contracting negative karma. A spell that has been used effectively for over twenty years? Look at SPELLKIT FOR REVENGE / VINDICATION / TO RIGHT AN INJUSTICE (stockcode P103) on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm and you won't have to run the gamut of peoples' opinions of your morality on this forum. ;-) BB Denise W. ]
 
 
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Topic     TO BABALONUIT888 RE: Progress.     posted by HANNAH User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:15 PM      
 
Your writings are fantastic so inspiring and insightful..............so I just wanted to respectfully ask you (hope you don't mind!)........is there a successful simple ritual to have revenge on a particular person?
 
This person has cheated on his partner, my friend, (who doesn't know) and I want to pay him back.......but how??????
 
Topic     RE: Chaosphere CD/Psychonaut     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 09:40 AM      
 
$29.99 John. Im still smiling.
 
Enjoy
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Chaosphere CD/Psychonaut     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 12:56 AM      
 
Hi, yes, Ricenpeas is a good Magician, with a good future ahead.
He desrves that result!
May All attain!
AUM HA!
 
Topic     Chaosphere CD/Psychonaut     posted by John W User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 11:41 PM      
 
Hi Ricenpeas,
 
Your 'Psychonaut' has a foreword by Frater Marabas ? I'm totally jelous !
 
Anyhow, Just ordered a copy of the Chaosphere CD and can't wait to
experience it for myself.
 
Best Regards,
 
John.
 
Topic     RE: A Word.     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 11:43 AM      
 
Complaints are always welcome Noome as is your poetry. Ive started a new thread to keep this one on subject.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     A Word.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 01:15 AM      
 
Hiya Rice! Hope you're well. I:-) 'nome', working as able, have chosen to simply accept responsibility for the 'order' I've created.
I didn't expect the banner name to go worldwide, but it has. So...
I feel I should explain the 'complaint' I sent you, got to keep you on your toes! Shall we look at The Egyptian legend?
Osiris, God, came to Earth, looking for the pearl of great price, but when He incarnated as a human, as Horus, son of Osiris, He forgot why He was here.
His 'evil' twin, Set, then chopped Him into a thousand pieces, scattering them. But His wife: Isis, and Her Sister: Nephtys, The twin Goddesses of truth, reconstructed Him.
The 'evil' twin is simply the Etheric soul. The scattering is the myriad of desires, impulses, thoughts, that constitute the ego self.
So we make ourselves whole again, restraining the ego self's 'false' will, finding one's true will, and the battle with Set, the Twin of Horus,is no more; Set takes His rightful place in One's universe. Hope that's of some value, to someone, you may have got this point already, still, a different view point for you.
You're the constant, main contributer to the forum, the oexp's and full teachings, hadn't been formulated when I was at approx. your stage, I'd be fascinated to see how this works out for you.
Well, I'm off again, to seclusion, a 'crawler', inserted 'It's about to happen', into my music library, I wonder if 'something' physical, will happen? Whatever, when I get back, I hope you're still here, and a treasure trove of forum comments! I like you, Rice, you're pleasant, intelligent, and born to be a Magician, it seems to me.
Sent with sincere respect, and very Best Wishes to you, Ricenpeas, in all your endeavors.
Sincere Respect and very Best Wishes to S.A. and all members.
Light, Life, Love and Liberty to One and All.
 
Topic     RE: Snowballing.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 01:44 AM      
 
Nope, can't leave it like that. In fact it's me,
I'm experiencing 'snowballing'. I followed 'intuition' expecting some form of astral result.
In reality, through a music station, China sings 'Sexy boy' to me, Germany slipped 'incubus/succubus' in, 'Shallayah' reflected
'Stargazer and Russia 'Futuristic Dragon.'
I ask myself; how far does this thing go?
I wonder what happens next?
Best Wishes.
 
Topic     Snowballing.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 01:25 AM      
 
A visualisation for you/psychonaut, I meant.
Have you heard:-'The Magician who does invoke The Spirits of Air,
must be prepared to ride the whirlwind.' Or,
When, after repeated Ritual, you obtain result, and you will achieve result, the operation snowballs, according to the forces
which powered the operation?
So goes it.
Best Wishes.
 
Topic     RE: Progress.     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 12:51 AM      
 
Nice one, it does have a role to play. I will approach the visualisation from that angle.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Progress.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 05:37 PM      
 
It is pleasing to experience the physical result of Magick.
For One who has devoted themselves, wholly, to The Great Work, such things as:-E.G. suitable accomodation, land, Scarlet women, goats, cats etc. all appear as wished for, easily, as they pertain directly to the Greater Good.
Best Wishes.
 
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Topic     Chaosphere CD     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 02:25 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:00 AM      
 
Ive recently started a 1st edition book collection and i have had real trouble finding a collectors copy of Liber Null published by the S.A. So, I found a picture of the original front cover, visualised me holding it, and fired that into the Void using the chaosphere CD. A few weeks later i came across a site advertising Liber Null collectors edition for $29.99 which matched how much i had left on my prepay visacard. Brilliant. Yestaday i recivied the package opened it up and it was a collectors edition of "Psyconaught" also published my the S.A. with a great forward by M.
All though the whole experience was exilarating and i class this as a result, i would like to improve my accuracy. Any suggestions?
 
Ricenpeas
 
 
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Topic     RE: Charles Pace     posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 06:50 AM      
 
Charles Pace considered himself a Setian Priest. His paintings of religious Egyptian imagery were indicative of his leanings. However, he was a member of a Witchcraft coven under the auspices of Gerald Gardner.
 
He corresponded with Anton LaVey for a number of years and they shared some similar ideas - predominantly that a religion should be subservient to the natural inclinations of the individual; rather than the adherent being subservient to dogmatic rhetoric contrary to one's nature.
 
Topic     RE: Charles Pace     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 07:33 PM      
 
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Topic     Charles Pace     posted by nimmo User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:46 PM      
 
Does anyone know anything about a character called
Charles Pace ? Recently he has been mentioned in
Luciferian (?) books by a Michael Ford (I've only
read excerpts), but remember some years back that
Anton LaVey mentioned him along with Spare and Crowley
as leading British figures of the LHP in an edition
of the Cloven Hoof.
I've read somewhere however that he was a media junkie
type pandering to the tabloids. Is the guy still alive,
who was/is he and what group did he possibly belong to ?
 
Regards,
Nimmo.
 
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Topic     RE: protesting against n.a.n     posted by kimball User
posted on December 28, 2008 at 03:10 PM      
 
THEY DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE S.A WAS. they thort it was a t-shirt to some metal band. he he
 
Topic     RE: protesting against n.a.n     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 09:37 PM      
 
Hi, what sort of response did you get from the nan population that was present? lol
 
Topic     protesting against n.a.n     posted by kimball User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 08:37 PM      
 
The s.a has been the backbone to my life now for 12 years now so i dont want people to think that i,m cheapning m's work with the following. I've been to a few occult confrence's and most the time they seem to be populated by NAN'S or armchair occultist who talk but dont do. So in a form of protest I went to one with a t-shirt that i printed up myself.It had the S.A monkish letters on it and under that the word's CLASSICLY TRAINED. peace and love
 
Topic     Departure.     posted by Draconuit-ONU. User
posted on June 30, 2008 at 03:40 AM      
 
Hi, Especially J.K, and Ricenpeas, I particularly enjoyed meeting you, I've been waiting, hence my available time with the Forum, and thanks to Graham also. That was sensible, enjoyable good clean fun. Wow! I found an unexpected bonus after completing the Lucifer thread, too, mmm, too much for the browsing beginner, but Boy!
Maybe you might want to keep in touch? I'll be looking at emails sometimes, I'd like it, could be fun; no conflict with S.A. Do
What Thou Wilt! Or maybe that, was that, a fresh future beckons....... Whatever;
Sincere Best wishes to All! Light, Life, Love and Liberty!
 
Topic     RE: Satanism etc.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 03:43 AM      
 
Greetings J.K. WOW!
What an eye opener, I've found that what I can only call the mindset, or psycho-spiritual basis is identical to Thelema!
I'd imagine that Crowley is crushed to individuate C.o.S as entirely seperate entity.
I didn't study rituals, however, what an marvelous realisation!
The same principles of liberation/self realization!
Many thanks for that. And your even minded explanation.
Best wishes on your path.
 
Topic     C.o.S.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 01:33 AM      
 
Thankyou J.K. That's plenty to ponder on; re: C.o.S.
I understand your concern, when the years ahesd are less than those behind. 35? Plenty of time; don't believe me, yet my viewpoint may be worth consideration. One has seen many things
profound. To my mind, in this, your 2nd(?) magickal projection
unto the malkuth worlds, the point of urgency is self realisation; communion with The H.G.A. It is necessary to achieve this level of conciousness, to partake in the Angels rapture, as concious.
Discipline, Devotion, ensures a pleasant ascent.
A nod's as good as a wink.......
Best wishes,Brother.
 
Topic     Satanism etc.     posted by JK User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 11:09 PM      
 
Hello Draconuit, Yes Here I am !
 
I am not best placed to say what the CoS is or is not as I am
not a representative or Priest. There is a UK Priesthood/Grottos
who my like to comment or you could look at Dr.LaVey's article
on occultism of the past at www.churchofsatan.com
 
I am not content with any one path and my own evolution like that
of other Satanists I have known is to explore other areas. I can't
say I've ever felt there is a structure to Satanism, rather the
opposite: complete freedom to satisfy oneself by exploring all
options. I think this is quite 'Crowleyan' actually from the view
that he went beyond the GD and did his own thing gaining many
experiences in many paths.
Whereas I have great respect for Dr. LaVey I feel that many satan
-ists of whatever camp make the mistake of falling into a 'religion'
where if the guru criticizes Crowley, they all do likewise. I have
no respect for this unless they can back it up with their own
reasoning. Satanism is meant to be an alternative to herd mentality.
I think your problem with Satanism is probably mirrored in Satanist
-s who can't understand Crowley/Thelema. I think there is a trend
for both paths to have an interest in each other: Thelemites
seeking what may be of value in Satanism and Satanists who feel
Crowley was essentially satanic/LHP.
Of late I have taken an interest in divination and Sigil working
and looking to evolve psychically. I have also felt a real fear
of death in the last few years, now entering my mid thirties so
perhaps this is at the root of my 'spiritual' drive ? That feeling
of immortality or at least that death is ages away that one feels
at age 20 now seems long gone. Perhaps this has some correlation
to the Orthodox Jewish reason for not teaching Kabbalah to men under
40 or the Confucianists not allowing I-Ching study to under 50's ?
 
Best regards, JK
 
Topic     Probably.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 09:53 PM      
 
You make me smile, Ricenpeas, nice guy.
Best o luck, D.
 
Topic     is it real     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 11:45 AM      
 
Well Draconuit as Castanada said to Don Jaun "But was i realy a bird, Don Juan". Personaly methinks the Carlsberg way. PROBABLY
 
Keep smiling its all good
 
Rienpeas
 
Topic     How it started.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 08:38 PM      
 
For me, age 12, i wanted to get out of a bubble i believed myself trapped in. Aged 15, I was released from bondage by Mine Holy Guardian Angel. Thereafter I would project-yesod, explore, etc.
Good fun.
Now here's a thing, previous lives. I experienced regression, as an unexpected petal of the rose, this was in Wales, as said.
Do you think that one examines one's own genetic-race memory,
selecting part's which suit one's current incarnation.
Or do you believe that past lives are factually true?
If factual, have some of us lived a previous esoteric lifetime?
Best wishes,D.
 
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Topic     RE: Togetherness!     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 07:31 PM      
 
Hi hope you're all well and enjoying the Adventure!
J.K! Are you there!I have looked at LaVey's bible, and experienced a core ritual. I am not opposed to the C.o.S. i
simply can't see the point. I've outlined, as able, the Thelemic structure, in brief, on the A. Crowley thread. Would you be so kind as to explain the basic aims of C.o.S. please? I'm puzzled.
Best to All.
 
Topic     Let No Way Be My Only Way. No Limitation Be My Only Limitation     posted by Rice N Peas User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 02:42 AM      
 
Thank ONU.
I was addicted to drugs trough my teens and into my early twenties and managed to turn it all around just over 7 years ago. Through my addiction i experienced many extremes of human nature in myself and in others which is swept under the carpet by society. Over the last 7 years i to have tryed to sweep it all this under the carpet and i had opted for the wide screen tv and smoothy maker. Its realy not enough so i have taken to the practice of Magick and i can firmly say i have never felt so confident and strong in all of my life. Ive heard my fair share of NAN in my time and none of it fits to what i have seen in the doorways of Kings Cross and therefor provides no solutions to me. I have chosen NoWay as my Way.
As a self appointed Novice i have found the S.A invaluble and has cut away so much of the fodder that packs most of the books aimed at beginers like myself. Thugh i appreciate using words to explain Magick is a pain in the pecker, M. and a few others have helped created a very accesable style that can be experienced by anyone with a positive attitude and persistance.
I suppose what i have learnt to date would be this. Perception is reality so i should learn how to look and not take it to seriously.
 
Enjoy the Ride
Rice N Peas
 
Topic     RE: Togetherness!     posted by JK User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 06:25 PM      
 
Greetings to all, and Hello again ONU, Nice idea and I hope maybe
some of the other regular names so far may make a little intro...
 
My occult journey started at the tender age of 13 when several
spontaneous psychic experiences led me to search the local and
school libraries for books on the paranormal. Started off with
Tarot cards and ouija board and formed a small group of serious
friends one who became Wiccan, the other a Chaos magician, haven't
seen them in many years now. A few years on I discovered the SA
and curiosity led me to Satanism as this was the time of the Satanic
Panic. Joined the Church of Satan at age 18 and formed a small
Satanist group for a while also exploring occultism in general.
Later studies led to a Buddhist phase, Asatru/Odinist phase,
and many other personal searches for what one might call the TRUTH.
At present I am very interested in Paganism, Chaos magic, Thelema,
and developing my psychic awareness with Tarot & I-Ching.
 
Best to All,
 
JK
 
Topic     Togetherness!     posted by ONU. User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 01:48 AM      
 
Hey Guys! Come on in, the waters lovely! Really, if you will,
why not introduce each other, how did it all start for you?
O.K. my introduction might not be representative of the whole: I'm getting on, and have much experience. I can also slip, and behave like a complete twat! I was a baffled beginner once, then a slightly less baffled mid-ranger, then I was baffled again,.......
How is it for you?
Best Wishes, ONU.
 
Topic     Chill out.     posted by ONU. User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 07:52 PM      
 
Hi All.
Denise provided the Earth: Suggestions thread, 'Ricenpeas' provided the seed, the concept, and I'm the first leaf in this new garden.
About Me: I was born with Magical destiny, I've been with S.A. for nearly 30 years. In '81, I lived by my white bearded Guru, in Plas-
-y-coed, (Palace in the woods.) South Wales, performing a 14 month Ritual of The Rosy Cross, complete with Scarlet Woman, land, a nanny goat and black kitten!(Guru was Thelemite Master.)
My only line of contact with the outside world was 'Lamp of Thoth'
magazine. Well, I was an Adept then, I've evolved but enjoy talking to absolutely any 'grade' of occultists, as long as they're
prepared to work!
I am entirely of Thelema, by birth destiny. However,
I'm entirely open minded concerning any belief systems, and, living in a powerful voo-doo current, would like to understand
African Deities better.
Best 'o' luck.
 
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Topic     To stop a witch     posted by Kabo User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 06:41 PM      
 
I have been troubled by a witch every night it is believed that this witch was responsible of deaths in my family. Can one kind please tell me what I do or or anything I can use so that this witch is exposed or to tramp the witch next time the witch comes to my house or anywhere I will be sleeping, so that people know what this person does. May be this witch can stop, Please help if you can.
 
Topic     RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins     posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 07:17 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:35 PM      
 
Karen Tell me, How quick does this money magnet solves financial problems?
I have a loan and credit cards which I am struggling to pay. Can money magnet help?
 
Yours
In need of help
 
[Infoburst: That's enough Lizzie, if you haven't received sufficient encouragement and clarification after all these good people have offered their personal assurances then another bout of amelioration won't help you make your mind up and so this thread ends here.
 
Topic     RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins     posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 07:14 AM      
 
Thank you very much for all your answers, at least I am now clear.
 
Topic     RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins     posted by Karen User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 02:54 AM      
 
I have a set of these coins (a Chinese golden money magnet). It does NOT need any blood, mine or anyone else's. It has not harmed me or anyone else. I think it is helping me think more rationally and clearly about money, and I am learning to give up negative ideas about my financial situation; the negative ideas are partly due to depression, and partly due to confusion about past religious teachings. I hope this message might be useful to the person who posted the first message...
 
Topic     RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 10:56 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:32 PM      
 
My apologies Lizzie.
There is NO risk to your family or yourself with the Money Magnet. It is there to bring GOOD FORTUNE not BAD FORTUNE. It comes with FULL instuctions on how to use it and Marabas gives aftersales service should you feel you are having problems. He even offers a money back guaranty.
 
Sometimes in Magick we have to make sacrifices. This means things like stopping bad habbits or feeling sorry for ourselves, eating healthy or learning a skill, that sort of thing. They are personel things that help in our learning and growth. It does not mean killing animals, or other such nonsense. This is nothing for you to worry about, its a good thing.
 
Good Luck
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Fear and superstition     posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 09:06 PM      
 
Thank you for your answer, Now you made another statement which I can not understand, "Live your life with a bit of BOTTLE because soon we all die." What does this statement means.
 
Now let me be honest with you, This is my first time to be communicating with someone who know more about magic. I have never done magic before, either white magic or black magic, my financial problem has laid me to seek your advice in this money magnet coins.
 
Please make things plain and clear for me to follow. I am not an english man, English is my second language.
 
Yours
Lizzie
 
Topic     Fear and superstition     posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 08:39 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:28 PM      
 
The SA would not offer this item if it was dangerous. The kind of fears you
have are totally unconnected to reality. Fear is stupid and cripples people.
Why would the universe be out to get you ? Think about it. To hell with fear !
Live your life with a bit of BOTTLE because soon we all die.
 
[Infoburst: This is a very interesting illustration. Anonymous talks straight and talks what appears to us to be sense. He tells Lizzie how it is. His allegory about ' we all die sooner rather than later' (That is; stop worrying and start doing because otherwise you could piss your life away in a constant funk) is good advice, yet Lizzie, already in a state of high confusion caused by an overdose of NAN on the net now misreads Anonymous's intent due to language difficulties and thinks he really means someone is going to die! This exacerbates her worst fears.
Some people can only think in literal terms. Unfortunately it is usually this type of person who gets 'stung' by the NAN sharks because they appeal to the literal mentality. The question is; Can you save people from themselves? BB Denise W.]
 
Topic     RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins     posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 07:33 PM      
 
Thank you for your quick answer, But I have one problem, Your answer to my fears is not very clear. When you say "Sometimes there is sacrifices" exactly what do you mean in connection with the Money magnet coins?
 
Please Give the actual facts so that the decision will remain for me to make
 
Yours
Lizzie
 
Topic     RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 07:16 PM      
 
No Lizzie your quite safe, though i think someones been giving you alot of superstitious waffle. Sometimes Magick requires a sacrifice, usualy a change in our veiwpoint but its never more than we can give and its nothing to fear. As for bringing death....SERIOUSLY grab yourself a few lessons from the list. Youll be suprised at how natural Magick can be.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins     posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 06:37 PM      
 
In my first question where asked about blood all what I meant is that when I get the Money Magnet coins, Are they not going to cause trouble in my family by causing death without me knowing that the power of the coins is demanding blood for them to work well? Please let me know, As these coins work without causing any other problem?
 
Yours
Lizzie
 
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Topic     RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 05:29 PM      
 
Hi Lizzie.
 
1-No. If a person offers you a talisman that contains there own blood there an idiot or scam artist.
 
2-You can keep the money magnet for life, traditionaly carried with you to attract good fortune, they are for keeps. Added to this they are antique, over 900 years old, giving them back would be like giving back your good fortune.
 
3-Not even a little bit true. Giving to charity in this way is a cop out and nothing to do with Karma. Just appreciate your good fortune and use it to better your situation. Try "Morality,Karma and Retribution" in the short lessons page for a bit more clarity on this.
 
Hope this helped
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins     posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 08:15 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:18 PM      
 
If there is anyone who has used these Chinese Golden coins, please I need help to answer me these three questions; 1. Does these coins have blood on it in order for it to work? 2. Can these coins be destroyed or returned to sorcerer's apprentice when I do not need them any more without causing any problems? 3. I have heard many people who offer money drawing magic, they say that when you make money do not forget to give to charity. With these coins it is the same, now I am wondering whether the powers of the coins is the same as the money magic from different sources which has blood in them? Please clear my fears quickly, since I want to buy the Chinese Golden coins Yours Lizzie
 
[Infoburst: (1) Why would the Chinese Golden Money Magnethave blood on it? There is no need for blood.
 
(2) If you want to close down any talisman or amulet (i.e. stop its effects) then you simply soak it in Sorcerer's Apprentice Chinese Wash Purification Fluid (see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm and scroll down to Chinese Wash P169 for more info.
(3) If you are getting well on any aspect of magic it makes sense to pass on the energies to someone else. Under the ancient lore of threefold return if you give out once you will get back thrice. You should do this one-to-one. Far better to give a tramp you meet in the street a couple of quid and look into his eyes than send a tenner to some charity when only 10p (dime) of it will actually get to the intended recipient anyway, but the choice is yours.
 
 
The information about the Chinese Golden Money Magnet on our website is very clear and very honest but do you trust it? BB Denise W]
 
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Topic     RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!     posted by ZBeyondR User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 08:48 AM      
 
Greetings,
I purchased the chinese money magnet in 2006, and the very week I got a new job with higher pay, and even higher prospects than my old one. I am not financially secure yet, but I know am going towards it.
 
I don't think though that just the possession of the chinese magnet will attract prosperity, you need to act too...
 
Good Luck with your artistic creations, and selling...
 
Topic     RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!     posted by Karen User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 04:24 AM      
 
Well, I've had ups and downs. My living space needs some serious decluttering; that would likely improve things from an energetic/feng shui perspective. I'm not sure what influence the magnet is having at the moment; it's in the right corner of my apartment, but there hasn't really been a dramatic change in my situation. Maybe there are other things I should do that I'm not doing yet? Back in March, my wallet was stolen (on a bus, no less!); but I got it and all its contents back less than 24 hours later. Quite remarkable, though I've had to take the typical precautions against identity theft.
 
I'm working on ways to attract more money in things I'm already doing, like performing music and selling original photos and digital artwork online. I'm always open to suggestions on how to make my efforts more lucrative. Would carrying one of the magnets be more helpful for making money from my own creative work? There's much I still need to learn...
 
Topic     RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 08:57 AM      
 
Hi Karen, have you noticed any change or improvement in your life/circumstances since hanging your money magnet in your apartment rather than carrying it around with you? I have carried mine around up til now but have thought about hanging it from the ceiling but wondered if you or anyone else had seen advantages from doing this. I believe it is to be hung with the four characters to the top in the southeast corner if I am correct?
 
Topic     RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!     posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 22, 2008 at 09:43 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:31 AM      
 
Hi Jim
I am not a numismatist but I realise there will always be some debate in academic circles over dates etc for these rare and ancient Chinese coins. I can only quote you what Marabas says in his instructions which come with our I-Ching coins.
 
' These Northern Sung Dynaty I-Ching coins.... were ancient booty discovered in a sunken war junk which went down off the coast of Cambodia around 1200AD...the coins were struck over the period 960 to 1140 AD.'
 
So basically the argument is whether the coins fall into the Tang (618-907)AD or the Sung Dynasty (960 -1140AD). It is quite possible that some of these coins are indeed several hundred years older than we have officially estimated but because we are constantly under scrutiny by Xists all our advertising claims have to be pitched conservatively and so we use the '900 years old' statement to be sure of not misleading anyone. You always get an added plus when you shop with the S.A.!
 
Glad you liked the quality of the coins. I treasure mine. Unbelievable first-class condition considering that they were under water for hundreds of years - maybe that actually protected them from oxidisation? BTW There are only a few of these coins left now and of course they are unrepeatable so if you want some please strike quickly on
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/i-chings.htm
 
BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!     posted by Jim User
posted on April 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM      
 
Dear SA,
Can I just point out that these coins are actually OLDER than you are advertisng them. They are between 1100 to 1400 years old, being from the Tang Dynasty (618-907 CE) and the ones you sell for divination and on the money magnet are a lot better quality than ones sourced straight from China which tend to be badly eroded. This was told to me by the owner of a coin shop to whom I showed your coins some time back. I have checked what he told me on the net and every
website agrees, 1100-1400 years old.
 
Regards,
Jim.
 
Topic     RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!     posted by Karen User
posted on April 19, 2008 at 01:54 AM
edited on April 22, 2008 at 10:05 AM      
 
Denise, I have one of the money magnets, that I started out carrying in my pocket, and then transferred it to the relevant corner of my apartment. Now, I'm saving up to order a second one to carry again. I do hope they're still available, and not becoming too scarce? It might be a month or two before I can get around to that...
 
[INFOBURST: Hi Karen, there are only a limited number of these coins left now and of course they are unrepeatable. How long they last depends on demand but, and this is no sales ploy because you will kick yourself if you miss 'em, if you are considering another Money Magnet please strike quickly on www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/moneymag.htm If you are really 'stuck for brass' as we say in these parts, then you can place a deposit of 5.00 GBP on a set to secure them for six months at the current price. Goto www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/paypal.htm and scroll to the bottom of the page to find our buy-pennies button; click on that and enter 500 pennies into the quantity column, then when you go to input your card details make sure you type in the comments/remarks section that you are placing a deposit on a Money Magnet P44FCMM (or whatever the item is his deposit system works on all items we sell at a deposit rate of approx 25 percent of the full price). Hope this makes sense but if not email me directly for clarification. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!     posted by Denise W User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 03:23 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:30 AM      
 
That's great news William. No matter how many times we hear it, it is always delightful to hear of clients' good news - and the SA Forum is just the place to shout it from the rooftops. More proof, if any were needed after surfing this site, that magic DOES work. Perhaps not in absolutely every single case but in more cases than one could possibly imagine. On the basis that producing one pink elephant proves the existence of prink elephants the S.A. has thousands of cases of categoric proof that magic, applied intelligently, works very well indeed and has changed people's lives for the better, lots of people. And after all, isn't this what it is all about? To give ordinary folk the magical advantage, especially when they have run out of physical/mundane options and need help to turn around their lives or get themselves out of a hole? Of course there will be those every so clever people surfing this forum who will assume that William is a plant from the S.A. He's not, but let them scoff and deprive themselves of magick if they like. The bottom line is that Marabas's Money Magnets come with a money-back guarantee. He has offered them for years and I can't even remember one ever being returned! Good luck William and keep on polishing that Money Magnet. BB Denise W. [Info: go www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/moneymag.htm for more information, background and buy-now button if required)
 
Topic     Chinese money magnet works !!!     posted by William User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 09:22 AM      
 
I have to post this and say a BIG thanks to Marabas
at the same time. Some time back I bought the S.A.'s
Chinese Golden money magnet made of ancient Chinese
I-Ching Coins as I was frustreted that the bank wasn't
budging on my claim for bank charges of £1300.00.
The week before the courts froze these claims my bank paid
out. My credit card and overdraft problems that always seem
to get put on a back burner with MOTs, Xmas, birthdays, etc
all cleared themselves and I am debt free after 8 years in
the red. Things just started to ease themselves into a smoother
track. and in the last week a family member who had loaned me
£500 for a joinery job came into money and told me to forget
the repayment ! I'm putting it all down to the money magnet
as I have NEVER had luck with money before. THANK YOU S.A !!!
 
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Topic     RE: graveyards     posted by kimball User
posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM      
 
D is right. ther is no need to moross over having to spend say £15.00 over a train fare into the country to do magical work.
 
Topic     Cemeteries etc.     posted by William User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 04:32 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:55 PM      
 
To clarify if needed, my own curiosity was whether such places which are
for the rest and remembrance of the departed are of any use for attuning
to spirit communication, such as having a stroll through, reading the
stones having a seat on the benches provided and trying to pick up on
any feelings. All done quietly and no one would know, in broad daylight.
Next grave to a late friend of mine is actually very beautiful and I wish
more were like it. There's a huge tree at it and the family/friends have hung windchimes and small yule-tree stars and stuff. the chimes tinkle away in
the breeze and it's very nice.
 
..William.
 
[Infoburst: Well yes William, there are surroundings which are more or less conducive to bridging the planes and choosing wisely will increase the chances of a successful contact but one has to be realistic. The quiet sanctuary of a cemetery may be a comparative haven of solitude in the middle of a frenetic city but I still wouldn't advise using it as a place for meditation or spirit contact. To do so misses the fundamental point that true spirits, being spirits, are everywhere at once anyway, so it doesn't matter where you contact them. Location can only be of value to astral shells/shades which are stuck in that place and so are apt to deceive and mislead those who try to work there. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Graveyards.     posted by nome. User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 12:25 PM      
 
Now I see your point, re: Desecration. I wandered through a cemetary, 12-15 yrs. ago, and saw a magnificent tree, which some young idiots had carved 'sex' & 'magic' etc. into it, filling the cuts with spray-paint. I was disgusted, total abuse of nature.
And yes, I have a private Holy Temple, no-one else enters there.
Took me a while to grasp this thread; the last info burst did it. Thankyou muchly!
 
Topic     Stamping on the beliefes of others     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 03:28 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:21 PM      
 
Hanging around graveyards is a bit TV enit. People who go to graveyards to do rituals are like people who go to the town center to hug a tree. Its just "look at me" NAN. Graveyards are places where people go to remeber people and I could see why they would be a bit pissed off with a load of drama queens stamping on there beliefs. The Aeon has given us options, lets use em!
 
Ricenpeas
 
[Infoburst: When Darkorder started this thread I was in two minds whether to delete it but then surmised that it would be a good idea to shed the light of Truth upon this ancient anti-occult stereotype. Yet even after we have cleared most of the untruths it seems that even people who should know better are prepared to allow the lie some breathing room. In doing so they give grist to the mill of the tabloid hacks and the Xists. The bottom line is that Genuine occultists and esotericists do not desecrate or disrespect the holy places of others because they have ones of their own and fully appreciate what the word 'sacred' means. Any glue-head who thinks wearing black and hanging about in a cemetery somehow makes them a toughie should learn from this thread that in truth it simply reveals them as just another sad rebellious adolescent who will probably drop the occult disguise and become a died in the wool Xist by the time they get to middle-age! BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: graveyards     posted by no-nome. User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 02:20 AM      
 
Greetings All, may serenity flow.
Of those who progenite the placement of new Aeonic flow: One does know of two religions, of differing times, with names for this type.They are Entitled to form their own Religions. Declare their law; It is most prudent in New Aeonic situation, to work with the word spoken I.E. The eclectic New Aeonic energies as one 'word'
Here; It is concretised as : S.A. Marabus.
There is a an outrage; Gods shall not be made manifest in places of the dead. Says Denise, in that Her Gods would as Furies be!
For The Marabusen, 'go with the word given' seems appropriate.
Myself? One sees both sides of the coin, then a cube of views/ideas> resultant in: whichever piece of it you look at, it's all much of a muchness. A varient of the idea. A cube.
Pleasantries.
 
Topic     Holy Ground.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 03, 2008 at 07:11 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:08 PM      
 
I was told it's interesting here. Whats a nan? Something you disagree with obviously, but.
I see my old shade chums on a plane other than malkuth. I've never seen a shade hold cohesion near malkuth for more than two weeks, then allocation is performed.
Very sorry, I didn't realise you evoke furious gods, I invoke Gods, I've walked right into it, hell. (Thanks, buddy.)
 
Well. I was impressed by your comments on TAO, I-ching.
Evoking 'gods'of fury. I s'pose im in trouble now.
I spose you'll hunt me now. Even if I have to live in concrete, for now, I'll stick to invocation of instructive Gods. My mistake.
 
[Infoburst: NAN= New Age Nonsense, the type of unproductive, wish-washy opinionating that your message comes perilously close to immitating. I did not of course say that I invoked furious gods, I said that the gods I invoke would be furious if I deigned to do so in a Christian cemetery. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     graveyards     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 26, 2008 at 12:13 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:45 PM      
 
In large city, 'green' is at premium; the parks are taken by the mothers & kids, they recognise us, & hate us: we, various covens, practice open air magic in cemetaries; nowhere else to go. Shades? Never noticed 'em, like the the statues though. Sadly, here, glue was replaced with heroin & crack long ago. Maybe you're susceptible to the Elysia, dunno. Maybe you have 'green', we've no choice.
 
[Infoburst: NAN alert! NAN alert! Everyone always has choice, Anonymous. What's the point in haunting a graveyard when you can jump a bus or peddle a bike and find somewhere rural easy-peasy? Personally my gods would be furious if I attempted to evoke them in a place of the dead and quite rightly so. I am sure 99 of today's pagans would agree with me on this. BB Denise W]
 
Topic     Shades of the dead     posted by William User
posted on July 25, 2008 at 03:26 AM      
 
Hi Denise,
 
I was interested in what you said about shades of the cemetery blanketing
all else out.
I often feel an almost claustrophobic feeling if I have to go into a cemetery
especially a very large one which is the the location of my local crematorium
for funerals or to visit the garden of remembrance there, and was wondering if
this is these shades/spirits attempting to communicate, I also feel a kind of
sickly 'warmth' which I also once felt in visiting a cancer ward to see a friend who was dying.Is this just 'sensitivity' and can it be developed in any positive way ? eg Can visiting cemeteries open one up to mediumship if these
shades are so abundant ? I would mean in an unobstrusive way, not anything
ritual.
 
Regards,
 
William.
 
Topic     RE: Churches and graveyards     posted by Denise W User
posted on January 18, 2008 at 04:43 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:05 AM      
 
Marabas says why on earth would anyone want to 'practice magic' in a graveyard? This shows a distinct lack of understanding of how entities occur. Entities exist around us all the time - as a ouija board proves. You don't have to go to a graveyard to get access to spiritual entities but if you did so then the shades of the cemetery would blanket everything else out - hardly a workmanlike experiment in psychic development! You are right in that many major pagan sacred sites were indeed comandeered by the early Christians. Firstly they cosied up to the pagans and built mixed faith churches. In some there were even side-altars to the Goddess. The Christians used the same tactics elsewhere. (Spain is full of Churches which were built upon the bases of destroyed mosques during the expulsions of the Moors and York Minster is itself built upon a Roman Pagan Temple). However only a small percentage of pagan sacred sites in the U.K. were used in this way. The vast majority of churches extant today have sites of no pagan significance. Additionally Britain is rich with genuine sites of pagan heritage with stone circles abounding all over the pennines and the moors. One only has to pick up an Ordnance Survey map to find a handful wherever you reside. Hence there is plenty of sacred space to go round without needing to conflict with any other faith-group. Only the peevish would dis-respect the ancestors of another religious grouping. Do as you would be done by. Couple this with the fact that most cemeteries today are the haunt of teenage glue sniffers and any suggestion that genuine magical workings can be performed at these places becomes a ludicrous idea technically and spiritually.
 
 
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on ouija boards
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm
 
Topic     RE: Churches and graveyards     posted by ZBeyondR User
posted on January 16, 2008 at 03:14 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:53 PM      
 
Greetings Dark Order,
 
do you practise in graveyards?
 
[Infoburst: No he doesn't, he's just being silly and not thinking things through. Pagans didn't bury their dead within temples - just as Moslems don't bury their dead in Mosques. Burying the dead in graveyards is a Christian idea. Darkorder is right in that the Christians nicked all the pagan sacred sites (even St Paul's was built over a Roman Temple) and in the village of Rudston (the Rud Stone) East Yorkshire there's a 30 foot prehistoric menhir right outside the bloody church door to prove it!) but most town/city cemetries have no such associations and even if they did just how sacred would they be after over a thousand years of desecration? BB Denise W.]
 
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Topic     Churches and graveyards     posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 09:23 PM      
 
Hi all.I was just wondering if anybody practices magic in graveyards,and if not why not.I know that old churches were built on ancient pagan sites which were sacred to the people of old.So i dont understand why pagans today dont practices in graveyards and connect with the old ones.You will find yew trees in most churches as well,which was once a sacred tree to pagans of old.Just wanted your views on this matter.Blessings Chris.
 
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Topic     Jesus myth - a well tested lie for mind control     posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on November 04, 2008 at 12:09 PM
edited on November 07, 2008 at 03:14 PM      
 
It must be remembered that modern society is now built on a pious lie, cleverly crafted by political activists of old. A lie that is widely - accepted as the only truth that will save our species from final damnation and the fires of Hell. The Life force is the Life force, plain and simple yet fundamentalists who created the Jesus myth back in the 1st century claimed later that a man (who was most likely fictitious) was the Son of God. This chap never left any writing done by himself behind and all the so-called evidence (biblical and indeed non-biblical) for his presumed historicity is easily disprovable propaganda, fantasy and hearsay; nothing more.
 
However, society has been drip fed tales about the Jesus Myth for so long that we now accept alleged truths about this 'man-god' largely without so much as a single question. This is just the way the powers that be like it for it's a wonderful time-tested lever to pull us into compliance at their continence.
 
For God and Country lads - over the top and never mind those machine guns ...... Ad finitum......
 
[Infoburst - Hi Sandygrounds. It is true that there is much incontrovertible evidence that Jesus did not exist and some scientists and researchers have been trying to get this across to the public for decades. One in particular who has striven more than most and has all the facts to hand is Michael Roll - he once wrote a superb overview of this debate
for the Lamp of Thoth Magazine but we haven't heard from him for years . You can see some of Michael's stuff on
 
http://www.cfpf.org.uk   Say hello to him for me when you see him. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Halloween     posted by sylvia and chris User
posted on November 01, 2008 at 06:22 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 11:11 AM      
 
I feel all faiths and celebrations for each year should be respected and appreciated as long as the faith or celebration does not cause serious harm or damage or death to a person.
Halloween is seen as a celebration for spiritual purposes as well as the time of bonfire night approaching, there are people who strongly believe in the afterlife and there are people who do not, people who do not believe in a certain faith or celebration should not criticise and demand a ban on it as long as it is a safe practicing faith and does no harm to another person.
There are things people should worry about more in this world and focus on removing the evils like terrorism, violence etc from the world rather than panic about a halloween celebration ban.
Respect each other, help each other in times of need,to many people turn a blind eye to crime and things and the world is getting out of control by not doing things like they used to by helping each other.
not being anti, just pointing out life is getting harder to survive and the world needs healing.Fireworks get in the wrong hands these days, people fear them rather than enjoy them, selling these in shops should be banned and only allow proper safe displays.
 
 
[Infoburst: I appreciate your sentiments of peace and liberality but there's a contradiction in your thinking. The qualification 'As long as faiths don't cause harm'. There's more blood on the hands of the world's largest religions than could ever be put onto minority beliefs - and there are plenty of truly honourable attempts to do good which inadvertently cause harm, so harm itself is not the criterion for banning or not banning. And neither is danger. It is a retrograde step to ban anything with risk just because a few troublemakers can misuse it. Life has risks and politicians cannot remove risks. They know it but try to fool you into thinking otherwise.
BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: Halloween Church of England     posted by PaddyMagick User
posted on October 30, 2008 at 05:25 PM      
 
No Guy on the bonfire, though you used to get the odd Maggy.
 
Smiles
 
Topic     Halloween Church of England     posted by AnnB User
posted on October 28, 2008 at 10:10 AM      
 
Dear Denise thankyou for jogging the little grey cells I was going to write on this subject the fact the Irish don't celebrate Nov.5th for the reason of Guy Fawkes being burnt on the fire. Instead they celebrate Halloween with fireworks
Each to own though it gets a little muddled somewhere in peoples heads
 
Topic     RE: Halloween     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 22, 2008 at 01:31 PM      
 
Hi Lily, I agree we should all respect the faith of others as long as there not using it as a stick to beat me with. The trouble seems to arise when people assosiate there ideas with the source of all creation, God. By even saying the word God we personify Him/Her and some go on to say that God is this, or God is that, even with there own system of belife saying that God is everything. For most Celebrating God gives purpose and forfilment but to some it gives them a Crusaid, which is what is happening here with the BANNING of a Pagan festival.
BestWishes
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Halloween     posted by lily User
posted on October 22, 2008 at 12:06 PM
edited on October 27, 2008 at 04:53 PM      
 
.......all faiths have some value, icluding the church of e. I was brought up a Catholic and love going to Fireworks nights pumpkins etc etc but I would say there is only one God, who is the Creator of all and whom we should all have respect/reverence.
 
 
[Infoburst: Ah well lily, you should go to our other thread for the 'one god' debate because someone there might have a god you don't like and on your premiss above it would still be the One god which you would have to adhere to. Initiates say that people make gods in their own image to fulfill a missing part of their own psychology. When you said that as a catholic you love going to Fireworks displays at this time of year I wonder if you are aware that the burning of the effigy of Guy Fawkes here on November 5th is a Puritan celebration of the defeat of papism in the U.K. and an institutionalised form of anti-Catholicism not far removed from Kristelnacht but nicely camouflaged behind the ancient Need Fires of the pagan festival of Samhain! Would that be the one Catholic God, or the one Protestant God then? Makes you fink donnit? BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Halloween     posted by AnnB User
posted on October 20, 2008 at 05:13 PM      
 
Forgot to mention the Carthars wiped out for their beliefs
and during a transfigration I saw with a friend once a most malevolent Crusader came through staring straight at me challenging me to bow my head in fear but me I just stared straight back and he was the first to look away. That took a lot of faith and a lot of belief but I called on all I think of to protect me.
 
Topic     Halloween     posted by AnnB User
posted on October 20, 2008 at 05:06 PM      
 
Sorry better late than have just signed your worthy petition
 
No one has the right to foist their beliefs on anyone and to treat a child to such misery is totally abhorrent to a clucking hen like me I defy anyone to teach or hurt my grandchildren in any way.
Halloween is great fun for the tinies and we love to see them going round in their littlecostumes completely innocent of all things as they should be.
Keep alive your faith it is a precious thing it gives you peace and dignity.
 
Topic     RE: CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN TO BAN HALLOWEEN     posted by Julian Karswell User
posted on October 20, 2008 at 12:29 PM
edited on October 20, 2008 at 01:57 PM      
 
When I saw the Anglicans trying to link Samhain with child harm on their website, and by implication painting those who celebrate the festival with child abuse, I was floored.
 
Occasionally I awake with nightmares - I'm reliving a childhood terror. My Church of England Junior school took a school party to visit a church. I'd recently had death brought into my life for the first time by my Grandfather's passing. Still trying to recover from this frightening event, I, with the rest of my class, was forced to sit in a side chapel at church, staring at a grey stone carving of human skulls with serpents slithering through them. Whilst mortified by this image, we were told how we were inherently evil, and that our only hope in the long term was to keep Jesus pleased with us.
 
No message of love, no hope (unless you were really good, we were told - but then, we were reminded, given the way the world was set up in original sin, we were quite likely to fail), we were miserable kids whose only worth was provided by someone else - God.
 
Now, 40 years on, I still wake at night with the image of those skulls in my mind, bleak and terrifying.
 
I feel some runes coming on*
 
 
* Fundamentalists - this last bit - about the runes - is just a joke. It was only a film (or short story depending how educated you are).
 
 
[Infoburst: You make some VERY pertinent points Julian. The most important one is this. Are the lives of Christians corrupted due to being indoctrinated with the fear of death as children before they can discern the truth for themselves. The Jesuits had a saying: Give me a child before he is 8 and I will show you the man. Marabas thinks it is indicative that Christian fundamentalists are always the ones who claim to know most about evil and the first to point the finger of guilt at other religions whose approach to death is different. What say you. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN TO BAN HALLOWEEN     posted by Paul User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 01:19 PM      
 
I've passed the link to those that I know and will forward it onto other sites.
 
Happy Samhain!
 
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Topic     RE: CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN TO BAN HALLOWEEN     posted by Denise W. User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 08:36 AM
edited on October 08, 2008 at 08:42 AM      
 
Thanks for supporting John's excellent Petition Sheila. Looking at his website
( http://halloweenchoiceorg.bravehost.com) I am really surprised that so few people from this forum have bothered to add their name to this petition. The ones that haven't will no doubt be the first in the queue to complain when the evangelist extremists who thought up this campaign move on to directly challenging their own beliefs. You can vote on this issue purely on human rights grounds - you don't have to be a confirmed pagan to cast your on-line vote or to put your name on the petition. However many pagans do not see the ramifications of the CofE's move. The end result of what the CofE are trying to establish is that observing Halloween causes harm to children and if you are a pagan and have kids then you should be suspected of psychological child abuse (a definition that comes well within the government guidelines giving social workers justification to act on their prejudices!). I have obviously voted, and want to give John all the support necessary for him to counter this pernicious attempt to oppress free-thinkers. Please vote using the link to his page above and also let all your esoteric contacts know (pagan or otherwise) about the campaign so that we nip this in the bud. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Samhain     posted by Mouse User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 09:58 PM      
 
Well said, John; I have just sent the halloweenchoiceorg address details to two pagan lists I belong to, and signed the petition myself.
 
Honestly, the C of E wouldn't dare organise an alternative event to Ramadan, and tell people that fasting is bad for their children's health! The worst thing your average child is going to get from celebrating Halloween is an upset stomach from eating too many sweets (something they could do any day of the year!)
 
Blessings,
 
Sheila
 
Topic     CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN TO BAN HALLOWEEN     posted by john shepherd User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:16 PM
edited on October 03, 2008 at 03:20 PM      
 
Hi there, I am a regular user of pagan forums on the net and was shocked to discover that the Church of England has just put its weight behind an evangelical campaign to ban Halloween. Problem is that so few pagans are aware of it. We have of course become inured with the usual yearly opinionating by vicars in the local press but this is something much more dangerous. The CofE has sanctioned religious persecution and given the green light to evangelist extremists. You can see the tone if you read the Telegraph report on it at
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2977644/Church-of-England-claims-Halloween-is-similar-to-Christmas-Eve.html
Anyway I think every true pagan should be up-in-arms over this insult - and believe it directly breaches the religous hatred laws. I have set up an on-line petition with more background to the CofE campaign on
 
http://halloweenchoiceorg.bravehost.com
so if any pagans want to see what's up and register their opinions then please click on that link and go to the bottom of the homepage for the petition and associated links. Don't let the evangelical extremists in the CofE do your beliefs down! Remember, these are the same people the Pagan Federation have been cooperating with under the banner of Multifaith! They have no excuse of ignorance. BB John Shepherd
 
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Topic     RE: cleaning magical robes     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM      
 
Excellent, thanks!
 
Topic     RE: cleaning magical robes     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 14, 2009 at 09:46 AM
edited on January 20, 2009 at 08:53 AM      
 
A very thorough explanation Denise, thank you. I am merely a beginner so your update was very helpful. I assumed everything wanted to be 'clean' for each rite. Does the same go for alter cloths as that does get quite dirty.
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi, As with everything in magic it depends on what your intent is. Most witches and magicians consider all of their work as a sequential development of their spirit therefore will want to keep the 'contagion' of energies in all their rites, just as they will also want to keep a magical diary of what they did and what the results were. Thus initiates will not wash their altar cloths frequently if at all. They certainly wouldn't wash them with a purifying liquid such as Chinese Wash. However, if you are just performing the occasional magic spell for a particular purpose then it doesn't matter so much if your altar cloth or robe has been psychically attenuated through washing - but I still wouldn't use Chinese Wash in the water. ;-) BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: cleaning magical robes     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 06:03 PM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 01:45 PM      
 
Hi Kimball, I have wondered the same in the past both with robes and my alter cloth. I have added a couple of capfuls of chinese wash in the machine with my usual powder in the past.
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi Kimball, Anonymous, There's some confusion in your answer. Chinese Wash is a purifying concoction. It helps absorb and cleanse all psychometric vibrations from the objects washed with it.
 
Chinese Wash is ideal for purifying your magical tools or anything else which has been desecrated (e.g. touched by the profane or contracted negative energies). For instance, if you give Runic readings and someone with a very negative future handles and casts the runes you can clean them afterwards with Chinese Wash so they are pristine for a subsequent reading. A Robe washed in water with some Chinese Wash added will therefore be stripped of all its psychometric vibrations and come out completely psychically clean. This may be useful in some instances but items worn in the circle will contract and compound the energies summoned and most Witches and Magicians will seek to keep those energies, thus will in normal circumstances not use Chinese Wash in the wash water for the robe. This is why robes are rarely washed and why most experienced magicians/witches go for Black or Dark Brown robes instead of white ones (which obviously show the dirt more!). So washing infrequently is the key and Marabas recommends applying removable talismans, amulets and decorations to the robe at the start. These will then contract the energies from your workings in the same way as the robe, and you can take the sigils/amulets off before washing. When you put them back on again afterwards the robe will be 'in tune' with your magic again. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     cleaning magical robes     posted by kimball User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 11:54 AM      
 
does any one know how to clean magical robes with out the robe losing it's magical intgrety. thank you
 
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Topic     aos     posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 12:56 AM      
 
Better to prey than to pray, with strived conceit to bring forth....
 
Topic     Collected writings of Austin Osman Spare     posted by AJ User
posted on August 03, 2008 at 05:38 AM      
 
Does Sorcerer's Apprentice still sell Marabas's 'Collected writings of
Austin Osman Spare' ? and also can you tell me which works by AOS
were in Marabas's book ? Is there a possibility of a reprint if
Marabas's edition is out of print ? I have heard that Pete Carroll also
collaborated in this edition; Was this before SA did the first run of
Liber Null ?
 
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Topic     Compasion     posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 12:48 AM      
 
Love n compassion sorry to say come from within all u can do is give. Others have their own paths n misunderstandings. For those that know "help each other evolve"
 
Topic     Banishing Ritual.     posted by nome. User
posted on August 14, 2008 at 05:53 PM      
 
Hi Karen,
I must go on holiday/retreat for 4-6 months.
'Rice'n'peas' has explained this for you, He's well clued in to modern S.A. methods; a good guide, no bull, or NAN, as I've come to know it.
Best wishes One and All.
 
Topic     RE: Preaching Dogma.     posted by Karen User
posted on August 12, 2008 at 02:44 AM      
 
A banishing ritual such as you describe would really come in handy for me right now (perhaps you might expand on it?), as I have been seething in anger and frustration recently over RL money troubles. I used to do a really nice relaxing meditation about floating in the midst of a galaxy; maybe I'd best dust that off now and try it again, before I go nuts and start throwing things at some innocent bystander.
 
Yes, I have been reading your thread here, no worries...
 
Topic     Preaching Dogma.     posted by nome. User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 06:51 PM      
 
Looking at my own writing, I'm verging on some form of dogmatic
Preaching! My psychology is transparent; I seem to have started this thread whilst considering an action which would damage a mans reputation.
I've decided to leave the matter with Higher planes, go on a retreat. Here's a present, have you tried it? Perform The banishing Ritual etc. and visualise yourself rocketing up into space, the world disappearing below, as you use your Will and heart as high as you can, now rest, look around. No doubt loads of you are familiar with it. Have a good one!(And always remember to return to your body fully :-)
 
Topic     RE: Compassion.     posted by nome User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 02:53 AM      
 
Serenity: One and All,
Hi guys, to go further, I need someone to present an equal & opposite viewpoint, a Bhuddist perhaps, who extols the virtues of compassion etc. Then we put the two ideas together, each 'dying' in the counterclasp of it's opposite, thereby resulting in 0, or in this case, a third element : 1 resultant from 2.
Thereby, we can elevate/internalise a stage, and, well, We'll
see if destiny goes that way.
Have fun.
 
Topic     RE: Compassion.     posted by nome. User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 10:29 AM      
 
That was poorly phrased; Did you hear the one about the brass God, built with feet of clay? It fell over.
I meant, it's not 'evil' to consider that 'charity begins at home.' 'Firstly, put your own house in order.' rather than wasting energy in ultimately futile, even self harming, pursuits.
When you have built a solid foundation, and expanded, you may be able to afford to help others.
When Crowley observed disaster, often clothed as a woman, looming on his desciples, He'd warn them, once. Then, He'd simply observe. He watched 12 of His loved ones get blasted.
I started off on The Path, with a soul full of compassion. I still do 'good', I'm not a monster, I'm a realist.
That's all you're getting, and it's more than you deserve:)
 
Topic     Compassion.     posted by nome. User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 01:50 AM      
 
I'll try this, my heart's good, yet I am very blunt.
Dear 'Ja sand an sky', I wonder where you live, and if you've tried this 'kindness and empathy' approach? I live in London. I've tried compassion to many. Londoners, compared to country folk, can be ruthless nasty people. To display 'goodness' in the form of giving food, shelter etc. is generally considered weakness, how many times do you need to be robbed, beaten, emotionally drained, until you realise you're doing something wrong?
It would seem preferable, to me, to have my head metaphorically bitten off, than walk, unprepared, unguided, into a lion's den.
I'm not proud of the situation here, I called you 'jam sandwich' because if you moved to 'The Smoke' if you are an adult, with the
attitude you propose, you'd get more than a metaphor for your troubles. RE: Lavey; not all vampires drink blood; have you never felt yourself emotionally drained by a needy person sharing their problems? Do you not have family, a Mum maybe, or close circle of Friends, who need your emotional support? Do you never tire?
This writing is a compassion. Yet I'm sworn to aid fellow aspirants, where possible. If one person realises it's not 'evil' to be firm, not blasting your energy off in pointless pursuit, along the lines of 'Charity begins at home' 'Make sure your house is in order' then it's been worthwhile writing this.
Do you consider this an unfair criticism? If you intend walking confidently through the inner planes, you will require a a potent regime of self regulation, not easy. Being warned of the possible pitfalls you face, is a gift for you. Good luck/self generated karma.
 
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Topic     RE: Contacting Gods     posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:30 PM
edited on April 29, 2008 at 03:31 PM      
 
I guess we had to come to this point sooner or later so here it is: This is an open public forum; the discussion of genuine supernatural experiences by advanced magical exponents is bound to lead to contributions from susceptible people who are having difficulty coping due to stressful situations of which we are unaware and who think their experiences are the same. It is important for genuine seekers not to confuse the issue in reverse. Every experience of bright lights and visions may not be a genuine psychic experience and very often people who need to look at more mundane reasons can be mislead away from it by other seekers assuming that they are of the same level and understand the initiated terminology when they don't. I am on orders to try to steer this forum away from these types of discussion. The reason is clear. It is simply not possible to definitively help another person who is in a chronic situation which may have built up over decades in a 250 word reply. Wanting to help is a natural desire, but contributors should not recommend any action to anyone else on these issues unless they are satisifed that they are fully conversant with the querent's situation, medical and otherwise. Circumspection is the key. William, if you would like to send an email to me directly at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk outlining your medical history, what psychic experiences you have suffered and what magical operations you have undertaken to date I will ask Marabas for a response for you. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Contacting Gods     posted by Karen User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:28 PM      
 
Oh, my, sounds like your psychic shield may have been disturbed to some degree; especially if you undertook your spiritual exercises with any degree of fear or anxiety. I don't know of any good advice to give, but I had a paranormal experience once that left me very psychically open, and gave me the feeling of swinging from side to side in and out of my body. Fortunately, a friend of mine (also my first shamanism teacher) gave me directions for an upper-world journey (based on Jack and the Beanstalk, of all things); and it worked in getting my psychic shield realigned. I'm still a bit more sensitive than I was before, but the healing worked, in any case. I don't know if this is what you need or not; but I recommend a good professional consultation with a specialist in psychic defense issues and possibly soul retrieval. All the best to you, William, and take care of yourself!
 
 
Topic     RE: Contacting Gods     posted by William H User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:27 PM      
 
Dear Thelemite 8,
Thank you for your reply.
I am definitely onto something and have taken your
advice. Also having some increased experiences in
lucid dreams, meeting personalities in dreams, etc.
 
Regards, WH
 
Topic     RE: Contacting Gods     posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:26 PM      
 
Hi William,
You seem to have overlooked 'Opening The Temple.'
Observe, if you will, that all esoteric Ritual, be it Wiccian, Thelemite or wot-not,begins with a banishing; a purification and consecration. You make no mention of casting a circle of any form.
I do imagine that You have been fortunate, that you have only, disturbed an entity's habitat.
Fortune also smiles on You, in that Frater Marabus supplies
'quickie spells' that should alleviate your discomfort.
If you explain your situation to The S.A, they will supply you
with the appropriate knowledge.
A clear idea of path would help, E.G. Qabala or Wicca? A clear
statement of intent, : invoking a specific God is also a good
idea for the beginner to contemplate.
All beginners, will hear voices, if you do well, you will experience full manifestation of entities, as you intend; to communicate telepathically during Ritual is normal, as I percieve it. To have no control over the situation is, probably the plight
of the psychotic.
To any beginners out there, it is wise to prepare yourselves with the formalities of ritual, and prepare to work hard.
Aside from this 'false start', William, you seem to be achieving a degree of success. S.A. supply a vast range of knowledge, enjoy the
ride!
 
Topic     Contacting Gods     posted by William H User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:25 PM      
 
William H
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Recently I have been trying to seek a God. I have often went to a quiet place and meditated and prayed for my God/s to reveal themselves to me. I have looked up various Gods of different pantheons that I feel some affinity with. I also try and get a feeling of closeness to the 'divine'through running and hard exercise which I find is good for overcoming the ego, and having
nice countryside all around.
The past few weeks I've had some weird experiences, a lightness and faint-feeling where I feel half-out of body, and the past few days I feel as though there is an almost electric energy field around me which is sometimes so strong the skin of my scalp tightens up and I get shivers down my neck and a queezy, dizzy feeling. I recently went to a secluded dark room to try and meditate to open my mind to this 'force' but it felt so overwhelming like I had a voice in my head saying 'get out !' I was really scared. I feel as though someone or something is trying to speak to me, maybe not in actual words, but communicate on some level, but the signal is not coming through properly. Does this make sense to anyone ? I'm not a paranoid schizophrenic or at least I don't think so !
 
Rgds,
William.
 
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Topic     RE: Control spell.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:58 PM      
 
has it worked as yet??
 
Did she fall in love with you as you had hoped? Any change at all??
 
Topic     Demons and conscentration     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 10:00 AM      
 
Hi T. Your mind affects consensus reality as you have experienced already. Conscentration comes with practice and practice alone. your personel demons? thats another thread. M prescribes staring at a dot drawn on a peace of card a few feet away from you though you could expand that practice with rythmic breating and pushing out thoughts. Crowleys yoga is exellent and so is Pete Carrolls Liber MMM. Opening Gateways from M. is also a great way forwards. A very gentle but very effective course.
 
Best Wishes
 
Ricenpeas
 
 
Thanks for the recommendation Ricenpeas. Just to clarify; Opening Gateways is not actually by Fra Marabas but by Frater Sisto.
For more info and a buy-now order button goto http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: Control spell.     posted by kimball User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 09:09 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:56 AM      
 
with regard to inner demons. have you try marabas's self exorcisem oexp it has done the trick for me.
best.
 
 
[Infoburst: Marabas's OEXP028 SELF-REGULATING EXORCISM RITUAL is available direct for instant download right now.
 
Click on this link http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm then scroll down to OEXP028 for more info. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Focus.     posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 01:04 AM      
 
Hi, I've re-read your posting T, what you seem to require is study of one pointedness. I expect S.A. have something explaining this practice, hard work, but very neccessary.
If you can't find reference, I'll post a common Tibetan Bhuddist technique. Best Wishes.
 
Topic     RE: Control spell.     posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 12:27 AM      
 
Hi T, yes, indeed. I see. My last entry, below, is MY path, I
reccomend a slow steady approach, there's a beginners thread,
which reccomends an 11 stage progression. It's typical of my
Holy Guardian Angel, to throw me in at the deep end.
I'm Geburic, born under Mars, cast into The sphere of Geburah,
and destined to be a Thelemite; a warrior religion, my life
has produced a thoroughly trained warrior. Ironic, as I was a pacifist, or maybe the point.
I'm glad Denise hasn't been harsh with me, I can be quite a pain
in the proverbial. However, I'm pro Humanity, and pro S.A.
I scoured the world, seeing how lodges behave, then discovered, the best of them is where I started! Frater Marabus is currently The best Magician in Britain, that I've found, I've looked high.
You're in a good place.
You puzzle me vaguely, T, in a good way. I can't read you, which might sound eccentric. My current thinking is that you may have an exceptional future ahead. Best Wishes! Must dash.
 
Topic     RE: Control spell.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 17, 2008 at 08:07 PM      
 
Greetings once again ONU, may I draw your attention back to my earlier posting please. You will see that Denise has added a bit to it which will be of benefit to us both I believe. T
 
Topic     RE: Control spell.     posted by ONU User
posted on June 17, 2008 at 01:39 AM      
 
Greetings T. Magick exists. To my surprise, 4 people such as yourself have contacted me, in a short space of time;(One evening.)
Don't believe Me, young one, consider, if you will, that my
viewpoint may hold some validity: Believe only your personal
experience, backed, preferably by book explanation. Of course, I'll help you understand your path. Personal demons?
'They released me unto the Etheric planes age 15, where for four years I battled demons, met Gods, without a clue that this was 'Magick' Please be concise in question, e.g. what do you percieve as 'personal demon? Really tired, must sleep. Blessings.
 
Topic     RE: Control spell.     posted by T User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 10:52 PM      
 
Greetings ONU, Thank you Sir for your offer. Although very interested and curious I was unsure if magic really exsisted outside fairytales and tv. I had 'drifted' along 'experimenting' with magic gaining snippets of information from different sources under the 'guidance' if I can use that word of people whose ego's outweighed their knowledge and therefore probably caused more problems for myself than I solved. It's true that although I did not realise at the time, I was getting results from my sloppy magic but my focus was wrong and I was getting exactly what I asked for but there was the problem. Then 'as if by magic' I found the SA and have had some good results with their oils and with the binding spell. Love magic is where I stumble though as I find it very difficult to focus during a rite, maybe this is more to do with my own inner demons? What are your views on this subject? Is this the most difficult as I see many people have posted comments about it not working. I disagree as I believe anything is possible providing you want it bad enough.
T
 
Topic     RE: Control spell.     posted by ONU. User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 01:24 AM      
 
Greetings 'I'; Rectificiando, a term meaning 'to put right a wrong' loosely. You wondered if I could offer further insight.
As able, certainly. In relation to my error, I follow certain personal rules:(a) Never make forum comments unless entirely confident concerning subject.
(b) Don't assume, check!
Why did I not follow my own rules? A whining excuse, or objective view is, I was beyond exhaustion, following a malicious, prolonged battle with a brute. But I am not a beginner, had I behaved so stupidly during a Magickal operation, I dread to ponder on the out-
-come! You seem a promising young(?) Man, (Your words resonate as thoughtful, male.)If you wish to ask my opinion on any occult 
Topic, please do. Don't fret about critical opinion of me, you didn't make pointless snide comments, I'm grateful for your alert
to my error.
I'm no longer young, it's time to pass my knowledge on. I found S.A. around 1979, the same year I, a young buck Magician, was chosen as suitable Chela to a white bearded old rogue, who was to be my Guru for 6 yrs. Thelema had found Me, as was/is my destined life experience. After a year or so, I discovered E, my guru was a Thelemite Master. He's long departed, yet my relationship with S.A. endures, I feel a certain pride at being of The S.A.O.S. I have met
many lodges, magicians, in this country,(England)and find it a very good place to be;The S.A., I help, if able. you'd be surprised at
'those who masquerade', or maybe not, you mention many self appointed what-nots. Well, I shall conclude a brief, concise description of the Thelemic inner orders, as a lot of disinformation seems predominant, and there, I am entirely on solid ground, no chance of serious error. Then, I must concentrate on certain matters, leaving me little forum time. My point; if you have queries with which I may be able to assist your quest, please ask, sooner rather than later.
Light, Life, Love and Liberty.
 
Topic     Control spell.     posted by ONU. User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 05:37 PM      
 
Hell! I've just read the instructions and have really messed up
here. I was attacked, and applied the wrong type of force.
However, I was not using Fr. M's system.
Yes, I do have great respect for Frater Marabus, and with very
good reason.
That was an error I certainly won't make again.
I apologise entirely to S.A. and all I may have confused.
I really should know better than to confuse systems, I'm very
perturbed at my stupidity. I'm sorry. Best Wishes.
 
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Topic     RE: Control spell.     posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 05:23 PM      
 
Many sincere thanks I(?) for pointing this out. I particularly respect your polite attitude.
I wasn't aware of this, and only decided to make comment when the thread seemed 'stuck'
Basically, I've made an error. I havn't read all of Fr. Marabus's
spells, by a long shot, wish I had/can those I have read are,
well, excellent. I'm pretty sick with myself for not thorouly researching before commenting. No excuses.
Many thanks for pointing this out, I shall meditate. Thankyou.
With sincere Best Wishes to All.
 
Topic     RE: Control spell.     posted by T User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:45 AM      
 
Hi, this reply is to ONU really. If I may bring your attention to your comment; 'To repeat the operation implies doubt, which will hamper, even drag down the original swift arrow.'
I don't wish to offend you but I have purchased Marabas's Lovespell kit which actually says that beginners may wish to compound their magic by repeating the spell if they felt they worked it incorrectly or feebly, which will make it stronger and work quicker. I am only a beginner and seek experience and knowledge rather than to get under anyones skin so please take this as that and not as a critisism. I listened to far too many self acclaimed experts before finding the SA but I have followed you around the forum and you are obviously very knowledgeable and you seem to have great respect for Marabas as do many others (myself included) so felt I had to query your comments. I hope you will take this in the manner it was intended and offer me further insight? Thank you
 
[Infoburst: Greetings T. Marabas's spells are designed for beginners. One of their problems is that they often do not have sufficient belief in magic and are often so anxious when working a spell that they may feel that they haven't done the spell justice or made the right 'connections' on the astral. For people who feel that their magic has not hit home re-working the spell is a BENEFIT which outweighs the general rule evinced by experienced magicians that magic should not be harked upon after being cast. There are complex technical reasons why this is so to do with the way the conscious and subconscious mind communicates. However experienced magicians simply do not doubt. So Marabas here again shows his wisdom by catering in his spellkits specifically for the mind-set of beginners to give them the best possible chance of success. (see M's range of spellkits for most purposes on
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm
. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Control spell.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 09:48 AM      
 
Hi, it was the SA's spellkit and instructions were to inject commands nightly until I got my result. Still there are no signs of change in the target. I am only a novice but had expected things to have happened before now.
 
Topic     Control spell.     posted by ONU User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 04:34 AM      
 
Did you apply the correct force, with a link?
One should arrange the operation, raise power and let fly, without further attachment, the Will wends its way.
To repeat the operation implies doubt, which will hamper, even drag down the original swift arrow.
( This is Thelemic theory, expressed by Marabus as same concept.)
Once prepared, released, leave the magick, if you will, until prompted to view results. Happy Hunting.
 
Topic     RE: Control and command spell     posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 10:54 PM      
 
Hi Tony, I have had some success with this but i have only bound the target and that was enough to stop them interferring without giving commands so i'm afraid i can't help you with that side of things.
 
Topic     Control and command spell     posted by Tony User
posted on May 09, 2008 at 11:02 PM      
 
Hi all, I've worked the spell and was wondering how many of you out there had done this and how it went? I have been giving my target commands for about 2 weeks but any divination shows no change in the targets attitude. Am I doing something wrong? why isn't my target doing as I order?
 
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Topic     Serendipity.     posted by Druid User
posted on September 10, 2008 at 12:18 AM      
 
Thanks for that, Michael, hadn't heard of it.
Might one ask, are you Lady Moonray's brother?
If so, where the hell are you! PLEASE get in touch, important!
Many thanks.
(Sorry to have gone off thread.)
 
Topic     Thelemic Primer     posted by Michael User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 08:41 AM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:13 PM      
 
As well as LM Duquette's Magick of Thelema there is also
Rodney Orpheus' Abrahadabra, recently reprinted, a guide
to starting solitary Thelemick Magick. He mentions working
with Marabas to develop Temple of Thelema incense.
 
Rgds, Michael.
 
 
[Infoburst:
To obtain the S.A.'s Original Temple of Thelema Incense click here and scroll down the A-Z list to Temple of Thelema, BB Denise W.
 
Topic     L.M. DuQuette's works.     posted by Babalonuit888. User
posted on September 06, 2008 at 04:51 PM      
 
Greetings,
Lon Milo DuQuette, is a fine Thelemic interperator of Crowleys work. He's the first to say that some, will disagree with certain of his viewpoints, an open minded, wise Fellow.
I wish to alert the seeker to a gem, a book entitled 'The Magick of Thelema' By L.M. DuQuette: It contains the main rituals, (Copied into my B.o.S) with clear explanation. Printed in '93, if it's in print, S.A. will have it. An essential part of S.A.'s allure, they stock the most, mmm, hard to obtain books. This one's certainly a must for ones library!
Best to One and All.
 
Topic     Book of Thoth/L.M. Duquette's book     posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 08:07 PM      
 
Hi Jim,
It's intended to be supplemental and a primer to the Book of Thoth
but not in any way to replace it. The author recommends reading the
Book of Thoth until it falls apart then buying a new copy ! In many
ways it is also a beginners book on Thelema explaining the Aeons
and deities etc rather than divination.
 
Best regards,
 
John.
 
Topic     RE: OH!     posted by Jim Boyd User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 06:12 PM      
 
Thanks to John and Samebody for your replies.
It is actually quite hard to even see the
squiggly 'embroidery'. Does SA sell Mr. Duquette's
book on the Thoth deck, is it simpler than the
Book of Thoth or just supplemental ?
 
Jim B.
 
Topic     OH!     posted by same body. User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 02:19 PM      
 
A thousand apologies, my eyesight? Need fresh pack? Sorry.
Kinda touched a nerve, as the whole 418 formula may be said to revolve around Cheth, (cheth-yod-tau=418) the chariot.
Mr. DuQuette, tends to be right with details.
Glad that's cleared up, thanks.
All the best.
 
Topic     RE: Error/Abrahadabra Chariot card     posted by John W User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 11:30 AM      
 
Hello Jim Boyd & J. Same Body,
 
What Jim sees is not just his conception or a joke pack of cards,
and the answer if there is one is not to be found in the Book of
Thoth either. The Hebrew letter of the Chariot is Cheth which
spelled in full enumerates 418 as does Abrahadabra, but for some
reason Lady Harris in her correspondence with AC uses the word
Abracadabra (Harris to AC, May 11, 1941: "The alteration of
Abracadabra (Charioteer) and the Taurus disk card are complete..")
 
Also re Abrahadabra: "This word (with a slight Lady Harris TYPO)
can be seen EMBROIDERED in the canopy of the Chariot...")-
quotations from 'Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot'
by Lon Milo Duquette, an officer of the OTO.
 
Best to All,
 
John.
 
Topic     Error.     posted by J. Same Body. User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 03:50 AM      
 
Hi Jim,
Neither abracadabra or abraca Cadabra appear on the 'banner'.
What you see/state is your conception, unless you have a joke pack of cards.
The genuine article: Thoth Tarot cards, including the little book, which answers your question,
and the Book of Thoth, are available from S.A. and are the genuine articles.
Good luck.
 
Topic     Thoth Tarot: 'AbraCadabra' & the Chariot     posted by Jim Boyd User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 08:15 PM      
 
Hello and Greetings,
 
Just ran across this forum and seen this thread on the magnificent THOTH
Tarot. A niggly point that's bugged me for years about this deck which I
truly love: Why is the word Abracadabra with a C in the middle instead of
the Thelemic H written on the banner of the Chariot Trump ? I used to think
it was a mistake by Harris overlooked by Crowley but wonder if there might
be a reason otherwise ? The decription in the Book of Thoth if memory serves
me right says Abrahadabra. Maybe some kind of Gematria reason ? Does Abraca
Cadabra ever appear anywhere else with a C in the volumes of Crowleyana ?
 
Cheers,
Jim.
 
Topic     The '22' meditation.     posted by nome. User
posted on August 14, 2008 at 09:06 PM      
 
Of course, the 22 path/Trump meditation may be practiced at any time of the year, The day/night before a new moon, The Temple should be prepared: Day 1 The first meditation is on the 32nd path: The Universe; Tarot Trump;21 The corresponding writing in The Book of Thoth shold be read. So on in order, with The primary Banishing Ritual of the Lesser Pentagram each time, , rise through the 20th: The Aeon, etc. unto reaching 0, The fool.
This gives a comprehensive, colourful glimpse at the real Thelema. Having ascended, Why not do the next One, as descending the planes? Meditating on -The fool number 0-path 11, then The Magician-number 1- The High Priestess;2, The Empress; 3 etc.
reading as before. After reading, If you will, then relax in your most comfy asana, and visualise yourself moving toward the card, as
a door with a handle that only you can control. Open the Trump-door, and walk into the space within, closing door. Observe the lucid visions that do arise, describing the path. When the vision has finished, walk out of the Trumpdoor, illuminated, and visualise, your body, imagining the re-uniting of self and body you're mastery of the 'imagination worlds' is effective,though many aren't content with their visualisation skills, no matter, it works! as you're controlling it. This is a most valuable meditation, The physical outlay is nothing compared to the priceless forces/understanding etc. attainable. Results should be noted in one's Magickal Diary, for reference.
Serenity, Understanding, to One and All.
nome.
 
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Topic     3 Magii.     posted by nome. User
posted on August 14, 2008 at 12:45 AM
edited on August 14, 2008 at 04:00 PM      
 
Why, indeed, were the cards discarded? This triplicity of unity seems innapropriate. Sounds like a potentialy confusing gimmick, impure, the 'true' pack, created in Crowleys later years, combined with the book, explains Thelema succintly, without alteration.
For those who say the pack is too big to shuffle easily; instead of shuffling sideways, try it length ways, problem sorted.
S.A.
stock both,
 
pack &
book.
>>>The Thelemic New Year: March 20th, is celebated by daily meditation on each of the 22 paths/trump-cards. To be a Purist, One should have a copy of 'The Holy Books of Thelema', to quote daily excerpts , as given, appropriate to the days path/card. 3 magii? The three wise men, in the New Aeon? Fishy.
'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' I say, welcoming all differing viewpoints. All viewpoints have value, I'd enjoy any further thoughts on this matter. Best Wishes, nome.
 
Topic     3 Magus Thoth deck     posted by Chris User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 11:36 PM
edited on August 14, 2008 at 04:02 PM      
 
Good stuff John,see here also an explanation from Lon Milo Duquette of the
OTO:
 
"The mystery of the three magi of the Thoth Tarot, is no mystery at all. The seventy-eight cards of a standard tarot deck are printed on four sheets of twenty cards per sheet. This provides room for eighty card-size images per print run. Most publishers fill the extra spaces by printing two instructional or promotional cards. Rather than doing that, the Swiss publishers, A.G. Mueller, decided to treat Crowley/Harris aficionados to a little bonus by filling the extra spaces with two earlier versions of the Magus that Harris completed but Crowley rejected. They were never intended to replace or supplement the final version of the card Crowley approved".
 
ps. Beware the '3 Magus editions' sold in many New Age shops are smaller than
they should be and I don't mean the 'Pocket Thoth'.
 
Best get your Thoth deck
from the SA who always sell the best and correct sized version.
 
YITGW, Chris.
 
Topic     RE: Crowley Thoth Tarot     posted by John W User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 12:24 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:40 PM      
 
Hello D.Anderson, Crowley's 'Book of Thoth' will show you which is the 'right' one of the 3 Magus/Magicians to use which is the one AC authorised. Lady Frieda Harris who painted the Thoth tarot often had to paint several editions until AC was satisfied. I don't know how many of the 'unauthorised/rejected'paintings ever survived but I believe these 2 extra Magicians are among the original set of paintings(at the Warburg institute, London ?). They may also have been kept because Lady Harris once put several of the original paintings on display without AC's consent (there is a pamphlet in existence of correspondence between AC/Harris and others during the Thoth project in which AC mentions Harris mischievously doing this display and using versions of Trump no.1 he had rejected).
Tarot cards usually come in packs of 80 (why? ...dunno!) with 78 actual cards and 2 used as adverts or info of sorts. Some Thoth editions will have the 78 plus two 'advert' cards, usually one with Crowley's Unicursal hexagram and one with the OTO seal and address. In other prints they have these two extra magician cards (for show only, not to be used in the deck, though I suppose
if you're not a purist you could leave out the official Magus and use one
of the alternatives)
Hope this helps a bit. - John.
 
 
[Infoburst: Well posted and admirably succinct John. As you rightly point out the Key to the Thoth Deck is Crowley's Book of Thoth. The qabbalistic, mystic, numerical, symbolic and allegorical meanings of each card are outlined in The Book of Thoth in exhaustive detail. Presumably then the 'discarded' duplicate cards were imperfect in his schema and so should not be used for magical purposes. Tarot decks normally have 78 cards but often carry two extra 'fly' cards to protect the pack serving the purpose of 'fly leafs' in books.
BB Denise W. P.S. ]The Book of Thoth can be ordered from here
 
 
 
Topic     Crowley Thoth Tarot     posted by D.Anderson User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM      
 
To SA and forum readers, Hi,
 
I am thinking of getting a set of Crowley Thoth Tarot cards and have heard
that there is a 78 card edition and an 80 card edition with 2 additional
magician cards. Can SA tell me if they supply which edition ? Also, are these
additional 2 magicians just for comparison or to use and does it matter
which is used ? (A bit confused !)
 
Thank you in advance for any replies,
 
D.Anderson
 
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Topic     Crystal Ball/skrying     posted by Kay User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 07:24 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:29 AM      
 
Greetings,
 
I am very interested in skrying and would like to know what
method is best between skrying bowl, mirror or crystal ball.
and do you need a condenser or fluid to help/annoint the
crystal ball, etc ?
 
With a crystal ball, do the quartz ones all have natural patterns
inside or are glass ones better because they are totally clear ?
 
Blessings,
 
Kay.
 
 
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Topic     RE: Crystals & Gems     posted by Denise W User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 10:02 AM      
 
 
 
M says that Crystals and Gems and Mineral Magic is a much neglected fundamental aspect of Natural Magic which has extensive ramifications for everyone far beyond the NAN industry that has been built up around placing gems on the chakras for healing purposes. Marabas says that although there is plenty of evidence of gem magic being used even in prehistory (Amber and Jet) the main practitioner/innovator of the use of gems and minerals for healing was Paracelsus (1493-1541) who was considered by the medical establishment as the 'Father of Modern Medicine'. It was Paracelsus who, trained in medicine and astrology and a theurgic alchemist to boot, experimented with the 'energies' of stones and minerals related to their astrological influences and created medicines from them that worked so well that he was hounded by his peers. However his work lead directly to the modern use of pharmacology and the drug industry - yet another example of the occult influencing history and probably saving millions of lives in the process. There is DEEP significance in the action of minerals on human life and Marabas hopes to complete an OEXP on this subject soon. Meanwhile you can read what he has already written on here, including the OEXPs our contributors mention above. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Crystals & Gems     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 10, 2008 at 11:08 AM      
 
I received a leaflet from S.A. once with an order about 'Gnome
Magic' explaining the uses of a few different stones and sent
for some. Maybe S.A. could add more info on uses of stones to
the website. Some may be put off because of different new age
type claims about stones/crystals as to what their actual properties
are ? Tiger's eye is really good, strong stone.
 
Topic     Crystals & Gems     posted by John User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 04:32 PM
edited on July 11, 2008 at 10:03 AM      
 
Does anyone have any experience of positively applying crystals
and semiprecious gems to their lives as charms/amulets or in
magic ?
 
I've used clear quartz crystals (points) in many ways for years
and their usefulness is unquestionable and they are so versatile.
 
I recently downloaded marabas' lesson on charging Rock crystals
which has opened up other ideas for me. I've never used a double
terminated Quartz as I'm unsure how to apply these but interested
to possibly experiment.
 
I also carry a Tiger's eye all the time. It really does give energy
and confidence. Interested to hear anyone alses experiences or
pointers...
 
Best regards,
 
John
 
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Topic     RE: Dagger     posted by changing.redcarAThotmail.co.uk User
posted on April 22, 2008 at 09:03 AM      
 
Thanks for all the suggestions, I certainly will be looking into sorting this matter.
Though all the same I very much doubt ever getting any trouble with having a ceremonial dagger I suppose the best way is to cover it before the worst happens
Some great advice here - thanks
Steve
 
Topic     RE: Dagger     posted by Denise W User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 02:56 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:28 AM      
 
Hi Ste,
In 1997 when the then new limitations on age occurred in the Offensive Weapons Act (driven by the killing of a London schoolmaster by an ex-pupil) The S.A. was once again the first and only esoteric suppliers to see the threat to working occultists and instigated the registration of magical knives and swords as religious implements, enabling genuine seekers to carry athames and swords purchased from us to group meetings and not break the law because they had a-priori evidence of it being a religious implement within the Act. To carry an existing handed-down or home-made athame legally will require several critera to be met to prove in a court of law that the knife is a-priori solely for religious use. The only advice we can give is that users should do this well before any possible situation arises - a photograph and a notarised declaration lodged with a solicitor would probably be sufficient.
 
Puretongue's link gives a lot of useful background but religious knives are a special case which are not fully covered. The full background to the Act and the case of religious knives is contained in the S.A.'s legal leaflet which comes automatically with any knife/sword they sell. If you purchase a knife from anywhere else without this registration you are very much at risk.
 
If you are thinking of making your own athame then you should go to
 
 
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm
 
and scroll down to Constructing Magical Knives, an OEXP written by Marabas which you can download instantly and which contains important details both initiated and lawful about how to construct your own magical knife or dagger.
 
BB Denise W.
 
P.S. American clients of the S.A. will be wondering what all the fuss is about. Seeing as
how their right to carry firearms is enshrined within their constitution, possession of a knife seems very small beer.
 
Topic     RE: Dagger     posted by Puretongue User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 08:19 AM      
 
Is this any help?
 
http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/law.html
 
Topic     Dagger     posted by mcparted User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 10:36 AM      
 
I know I know, it's a knife of the art
 
But I've inherited Marcia's knife of the art, and was wondering with all the new knife law how I stand
 
Now it's highly unlikely that I'm going to get pulled up with it, but if I do the Police will sure say "dagger".
 
Any recommendations would be appreciated
Thanks ste
 
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Topic     RE: Dark Lily Study Papers     posted by Paul User
posted on July 25, 2008 at 07:39 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:24 PM      
 
Thanks for the infoburst. I appreciate what you are saying. :)
 
I ran a DL website for a few years, with (ex) DL members both aware and contributing some articles. DL also allowed me to reproduce all the Dark Lily journals online. This is the basis upon which I believe it is okay with DL for me to attain copies of the Study Papers. I am not seeking to make any money (nor did I make any money from the website).
 
At the time Magda (DL editor) did not have copies of the study papers or the journals if I remember correctly.
 
[Infoburst: No problem Paul, the objective was to alert anyone who might be lulled by the free-for-all of information on the net into thinking that there is no copyright on older manuscripts and order papers. There is and it is important not the least because it keeps the works pristine from plagiarism, corruption and misrepresentation. Nuff said. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: Dark Lily Study Papers     posted by Paul User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 07:43 AM
edited on July 18, 2008 at 12:37 PM      
 
Hi, thanks for your reply. :)
 
I have spoken with Magda in the past and she no longer had any copies of these. So I was hoping that a Dark Lily subscriber/Occultist/Satanist, who may have received the Study Papers when they were issued, might still have some that I could copy.
 
I understand that the DL Study Papers were expansions on the main DL articles...
 
Thanks again. :)
 
Paul
 
[Infoburst: Paul, you must keep in mind that anything produced by DL was copyrighted and it is illegal for anyone to lend you their originals to make copies from. You can of course pay to purchase originals in the second hand market. ]
 
Topic     RE: Dark Lily Study Papers     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 03:54 PM      
 
If you have no further replies, I might suggest asking SA by
letter or email to pass your request to the former editor of DL
who might be able to assist you. She once supplied me with every
copy of DL in back-issue but no study papers as I remember.
 
Topic     Dark Lily Study Papers     posted by Paul User
posted on July 15, 2008 at 01:21 PM      
 
Hi all,
 
Nice to see this forum here. :)
 
I am just wondering (as I have been seeking the original papers for some years now) if anyone has any copies of the Study Papers issued by the Society of Dark Lily. There was a journal (of which I have copies) circa 1986-1993 and during this time DL issued some Study Papers.
 
I am prepared to pay for copies of these.
 
Thanks very much
 
Paul
 
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Topic     RE: DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR Best read before browsing the forum.     posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 04:47 PM      
 
Hi Denise,
 
I think you are totally right. All that AA stuff and links that expire in 72 hours!! If only they would.Hehe!
 
Topic     DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR Best read before browsing the forum.     posted by Denise User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:35 PM      
 
Hi brothers and sisters, Denise here. In response to the inevitable mystical hyperbole which has been injected into some of the existing threads on the SAEF; Marabas thought long and hard about this forum before inaugurating it. The main problem was how to avoid it being hi-jacked by the usual psychobabblers one finds massaging their egos on many other forums and misleading newcomers; in the process diluting and misdirecting the debates. He finallly decided that this was not so much a danger as a raison d'etre for the SAEF.  is THE place where the usual portentious titles and pompous
language means nothing. A place where any silliness will be ridiculed by the users themselves making the SAEF an uncomfortable place for those with delusions of grandeur.
 
It is a sign of the bankruptcy of so much of the New Age today that so many people are so easily mislead by grand-sounding names and dramatic Order Titles sprinkled with a smattering of mystical hyperbole. This smacks of that worst magical sin - 'dependency' and M will have none of it. He says there's something wrong if you can't explain your magic in plain English. (please don't jump to tell me about Gematria, Enochian etc - these are symbolic languages used at the sharp end of magic and even tutorship in them requires plain English first).
 
It is important not to confuse Magic with Mystification. M says that the workings of magic will always be mystifying but that anyone whose magical pronouncements are so abstruse as to always be mystifying is hiding something - probably their true intent.
 
At an earlier time Secrecy was paramount to save lives - today secrecy should only be reserved to protect the confidentialities of members and to hide those areas for which ordinary folk are unready. Secrecy for secrecies sake is an anathema for any true initiate and it won't be accepted on the SAEF. We are sure that forum contributors will set the standard and desparage anyone from such pretences if they catch them doing so.
 
The bottom line is this: No genuine occult initiate or group would tread on Marabas's toes and use this forum for proclamations or recruiting unless they asked Marabas first. To make sure that
forum users are aware of this we will always add a comment in any such thread to show that we are aware of the situation/procolamation. This is not a form of censorship - we are not here to rubber-stamp, condone or promote any single aspect of the occult - just a method of authenticating a thread and enabling new forum users to differentiate between the wheat and
the chaff. If users want to waste their time with the Ipssissimus of The Grand Chivalric Order of The Numti they are at liberty to do so. Just so long as they know. BB Denise W.
 
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Topic     RE: Destiny     posted by Karen User
posted on July 30, 2008 at 03:37 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:45 PM      
 
Well, Denise, I plan to download and read at least the first OEXP you mentioned in response to my original post. In fact, I'd do it now, if I weren't flat broke for the next couple of days. I'm sure it will give me some good information and ideas.
 
As for NAN, I'm really not that conversant in the whole range of "New Age" ideas. There are some I'm familiar with; but the New Age movement has tons of different ideologies, sects, worldviews, corrupted cross-pollinations, and whatnot, much of which I know nothing about aside from a vague awareness of their existence. Hence, if I was spouting "New Age Nonsense", I probably wasn't aware of it...
 
 
You are off-message again Karen. Marabas's OEXPs don't give the reader 'good ideas', you are confusing his unique OEXPS with the usual mediocre aspirational writings offered on the net. Marabas's OEXPs reach into your inner-space grab a fistful of your soul and drag your awareness inside out so that nothing is ever the same again. One read can literally change your life.
That's why there is no substitute for getting and reading Marabas's teachings. BB Denise W]
 
Topic     RE: Destiny     posted by Karen User
posted on July 29, 2008 at 01:47 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:15 PM      
 
Thanks to everyone who has responded to this thread, both here and by email! I hope I have not been the cause of any serious quarrels (i.e. I hope the two most recent posters have come to an understanding by now). Clearly there are many wise people on this forum from whom I can learn plenty.
 
I am beginning to realize (you can tell I'm a Yank by my spellings, I'm sure...LOL) that my goals have been rather unclear for some time; and I need to sit down and brainstorm and write down some really clear plans and goals for both the short-term and long-term. I've noticed that candles are good tools for helping my mind focus better, among other things. For a long time I've been asking Spirit why he/she/it isn't supporting my dreams, goals, etc.; only today a message popped into my head--"So, what the heck ARE they, specifically?!" Uh, well... Also, there's a lot of talk around the Net about people finding their life's purpose at long last. That's another day's work, I expect.
 
Anyhow, thanks again to all who have posted here and emailed me over the past week or so; it's given me plenty of info to go over for a few evenings after dinner...
 
 
[Infoburst: That's just New Age Nonsense Karen - you haven't learned anything - you've just had your fears ameliorated by misguided comments by other forum members and so have sunk back into the mediocrity which is causing your perpetual problem. Sympathy can be very destructive. It is precisely because you are not yet ready that the gods are pushing you so much. READ THE BLOODY OEXPS! This forum is populated by nice people but don't get the idea that it is here to perpetuate niceness - a swift kick up the ass often does far more than a million emolient words could ever do , as Taoist magicians often aver! Many other people in trouble are reading this forum and they are not going to go away with the idea that a way to find their true destiny is to sit down and make lists! BB. Denise W. ]
 
 
Topic     The Fates.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on July 27, 2008 at 07:36 PM      
 
Sorry, couldn't resist that one. Whether it be in this vale of tears, or in the clear light of afterlife, you,ll see, and find it 'oh, so amusing' The mud-Bhudda-idea is good. I won't spoil your fun with my viewpoint.
By the way, Anne B. I was born with memory, and, aged 35, did the 'right thing', giving my blood to the cup, eyes locked with Choronzon, Lord of illusion, for 26 days and nights, no sleep, no food, I entered-------
4 years later, I uncurled, from foetal, to find my self, my body, well, I too have a wheelchair, constant slow release morphine, and liquid morphine, for 'breakthrough pain' situations. And I Laugh
with open throat! I have 4 high diplomas, and was about to open my own business, when the FATES declared I should live on my decent pension, studying, and practising Magick! Funny? HILARIOUS!
A nods as good as a wink.......
 
Topic     Fate.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 27, 2008 at 06:44 PM      
 
Of course, I believe in free will, I have no choice:)
 
Topic     Destiny     posted by AnnB User
posted on July 24, 2008 at 04:14 PM      
 
Karen Peace in your inner self will help you to receive your way into life aiming to high and too quickly will only hamper your rise there is no quick fix in life take that from an old lady who has had a great deal of grief and hurt to deal with.
Dont give up but find your inner happiness and things will be better never be impatient know thats easy to say but we learn all our life listen to others on the forum they speak a lot of sense especially the lovely saing the deeper the mud the higher the buddha
All love to you
 
Topic     Destiny, fate, Adversity     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 12:03 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:17 PM      
 
Please understand also that destiny and Fate are two different things.
We can all alter our destiny, that is what the Great Work of Magick/the
occult sciences are about: Taking up your own destiny in your own hands and
changing it as you Will. Fate is something else, it is the predetermined
such as when you are born and when you will die. Understand also that we
can only do as much as we have the potential for as human beings, Magickal
power is 'borrowed' from the divine, you must ask for it and be given it as
the divine/gods see fit, they will also not give anyone a free and easy ride
because life necessitates a certain amount of suffering and hardship to
cause maturity of spirit. Lesson number one is whether we think it or not
in our ego-mind to say 'I am responsible for my condition, no one else'
and 'I refuse to feel like a victim'. There is a Japanese saying 'The deeper
the mud the higher the Buddha'. Smile at adversity and it may sooner pass.
 
[Infoburst: Well said! BB Denise W]
 
Topic     RE: Destiny     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 04:22 PM      
 
Thers a couple of lessons on Karma. That might help.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Destiny     posted by Karen User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 03:49 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:00 PM      
 
I'm being tormented by this concept right now, and have been for some time. I'm trying to figure out what destiny is, how it develops, whether it can (or should) be changed, and how one might go about changing it. When I was meditating one day not long ago, a message came from somewhere that "Today is the destiny of your past (that is, your life up till now)." Interesting idea. I only wish I had some idea where I was heading at this moment.
 
I'm really tired of being chronically poor, and way behind in my professional (musical) goals; but so much of what I've tried hasn't done anything to change this. I don't want to be destined to live like this the rest of my life; but it often seems like some Higher Power or other wants me stuck in this rut forever. In other words, I feel rather trapped, stuck, or something; and everything I've worked on to change things just sort of goes flat. I know that there is literature available from the S.A. on this subject; but can anyone point me to what which be the best cyberbook, or whatever, to check out for my own situation? Thanks in advance for any pointers...
 
Hi Karen, The OEXP you need is OEXP010 Why Things Go Wrong in People's Lives and How They can Break Into 'GoodLuck'
You can download it from here instantly and make a start right now. Lots of people say it has saved them lots of suffering. Also look at OEXP066 on Karma. Marabas says that the gods always make you lose faith in yourself in order to bring you to a state of transformation, before you can kick-start your destiny again, so take heart, read the OEXPs and work through it. BB Denise W. ]
 
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Topic     Tarot books     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 11:39 AM
edited on July 18, 2008 at 12:40 PM      
 
What is the best book to learn tarot ? Denise recommends works
by Connolly (Eileen Connolly) in another thread but can't see
them on SA booklist. I saw this book once 'Tarot, new handbook
for the Apprentice by Connolly, is that it ?
 
[Infoburst: Yes, thatŽs the one. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Book on seduction by LaVey     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 11:35 AM      
 
Read 'the satanic Witch' by Anton LaVey (originally reviewed
very favourably in Cosmopolitan in the '70s when originally
published as the Compleat witch). It's about seduction, not
satanism so don't panic. SA sell it.
 
Topic     RE: Did anyone have luck with Snow Queen??     posted by Paul User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 07:41 AM      
 
Why don't you use positive psychology, flirting etc? Might work better than a spell... :)
 
Topic     Did anyone have luck with Snow Queen??     posted by Lucy User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:45 PM      
 
This guy likes me, but i want to get him to date me, or better still make a pass at me!!
 
What is the best spell for this type of thing??
Thanks a lot.
 
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Topic     RE: Homosexuality     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 12:01 AM      
 
I find it a little odd that Homosexual currents are still shunned by some Magicians in this day and age. To label myselves as a straight Male is an unhappy contradiction. As Bruce Lee says "Never point your finger at the moon. You miss the whole of the Sky".
 
Peasnrice
 
Topic     Homosexuality     posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 01:27 AM      
 
Pioneer but still clinging to the pendulum of her timing
 
Topic     RE: dion fortune views on homosexuality     posted by denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:38 AM      
 
Risky indeed, and strangely anally retentive! Marabas says that before you read any book you should look on the imprint page to see when it was first published because they are all a product of their period. As the occult renaissance gathered place in the late 1800s you could still be prosecuted for witchcraft and the church had a strangelhold over the Establishment. Occult authors of the time trod a very fine line and had to throw in the obligatory deference to the Establishment in order to remain free to express themselves in other ways. Additionally, many of those authors were themselves products of their period and homophobia was de-rigeur for any 'decent' person in those days. It is up to the reader to intelligently unpick the gems of knowledge in these books from the pretences and smokescreens put there to disinterest the profane. Fortune's other work The Esoteric Philosophy of Love and Marriage sounds today like a promol leaflet from a chastity belt manufacturer - yet her grasp of qabbalah and her understanding of initiated perspectives is easily seen in The Mystical Qabbalah and any of her occult novels. In short an occult authors moral opinions are different to statements of fact about magical technique. Marabas says a lot depends how you define 'souls'. As that vital spark of divine life within us EVERYTHING has soul to a genuine esotericist and all are part of the same unified cosmic dance. Everyone's energy field is different and is never constant so change has to be accounted for. A person's energy seeks to complete itself in a way suitable to its own nature to allow that nature to further evolve. This must be taken into account during ceremonies - but only in the same way that you would take into account a different phase of the moon, or a different season. M says it is all a matter of balancing energies. BB Denise W.
 
 
Topic     Dion Fortune.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM      
 
Dion Fortunes book on Qaballah was the best I've read, out of print
I believe. I didn't read 'Psychic self defense'. Her legacy, The society of The Inner Light, insists that applicants be exclusively British, with good knowledge of fairy tales,(which do contain much
British occult meaning) that because of the sexual polarity in
their workings, do not accept Homosexuals. Anyone who has ever taken a drug not prescribed, e.g. cannabis, are permanently 'changed' and unsuitable. I guess these requirements were formulated by Ms. Fortune. That's their prospectus for candidates, what do you make of it? I find the drug statement daft, personally. I had many Magickal experiences before taking any drugs, then I was prescribed ergotamine based migraine treatment,
ergot is the basis of L.S.D. and I found a legal, very potent hallucinogen. That would be acceptable, taking L.S.D. wouldn't.
It takes all sorts to make a world, in this case, a very specific sort. I read this directly from the application booklet, I wonder what others think of this?
 
Topic     dion fortune views on homosexuality     posted by kimball User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 11:05 AM      
 
does any one out ther have any views on the subject of dion fortune's theory of homosexual's having none human soul's. It sounds realy riskay. One chapter in her book spychic self defence lay's out one theory.
 
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Topic     RE: Distance Healing     posted by Karen User
posted on April 16, 2008 at 01:40 AM      
 
Thanks to the person who emailed me the Regardie writings! I don't know if he wants to be identified by name; but thank you in any case...
 
Topic     Distance Healing     posted by Karen User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:42 AM      
 
Does anyone here have experience with performing or receiving healing over a certain distance? Are there some techniques that work better than others? Does anyone have any technical recommendations for this; that is, magickal techniques, meditations, specific tools, magical oils, etc.? Thanks in advance; it's something else I'm trying to learn more about...
 
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Topic     do taoist's play the cult of being special     posted by kimball User
posted on July 20, 2010 at 09:40 AM      
 
It's a question that has been with me for a while now. And so i've decided to throw it out ther to hear what other's may think. TAOIST'S follow the tao which as far as i can gather is so opposed to the ego driven game of cob's as to be like oil and water. Yet marabas say's that the cult of being special should be play in order for people to keep evolving. Any taker's on this one...
 
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Topic     RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs?     posted by Mouse User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 09:53 PM      
 
Need you ask? Of course they do...the media misrepresent a lot of things, but in the case of Pagan beliefs, that tendency is increased by prejudice and fear.
 
Topic     RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs?     posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 04:47 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:24 AM      
 
Hi, that's really disturbing but gives an opening for Marabas to convey the following which he dictated to me. It's instructive to compare the psychology of hate perpetrated in children's books of that kind with the way that the Golliwog was censored out of Enid Blytton's Noddy series. If we fill our children's minds with prejudice against old ladies no wonder most old women will die alone and unloved - yet the PC lefties will work overtime (justifiably!) to expunge any racist or anti-feminist references.
 
Thus today it is increasingly open-season on free-thinkers in the occult. Marabas prophecied this and covers all its manifestations in his Secrets Of Mind Control
 
( see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindcont.htm ).
 
It is quite likely that the author of this school-book is a fundamentalist Christian knowingly perpetrating these ancient blood libels in order to recapture the minds of the young.
 
However the PC card cuts both ways and following the innauguration of the British Human Rights Act (2000) every head of every school (and every civil servant) has a legal responsibility to PROTECT the rights of children and their parents from vilification of their beliefs and religious perspectives. Any parent who sees this kind of impropaganda being promoted can bring the head's attention to this fact and demand a withdrawal of the book (see SAFF website for full rights). If they do not do so the local council must, if they refuse there is a government ombudsman for human rights and other avenues to pursue, including ultimately the EEC court of human rights in Strasbourg. However, and this is very important to consider, by making a fuss you are likely to polarise the school and must keep in mind that as an esotericist you will always be in a MINORITY and may well win the battle but suffer discrimination in the ongoing war for freedom of belief. BB Denise W. Scribe to Marabas
 
Topic     RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs?     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 07:56 PM      
 
The media misrepresents everyone - even themselves! It is a malignant and monstrous dragon that needs to be slain.
 
Topic     RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs?     posted by Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 01:36 AM      
 
I live in the US and I can honestly say that it has been my experience that the media OFTEN misrepresents just about everything. They have their own agenda and how they want to spin the story, for better or for worse, and they take bits and pieces of things said and done to present factual proof to fictional stories. Green Day really pegged it when they wrote American Idiot-When I say I am Wiccan, so many people try to tell me what it is that they just know that I believe. How sad.
 
Topic     re: media representation     posted by feeorin User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 10:19 PM      
 
hi there,
 
it was hard to find a place to put this... as its just a thing i had to say.... but i thought as this was a media area.... can i suggest that watching pans labyrinth is well worth the time and effort... it might restore some understandable lost faith in media! i think this film is incrediable! i wont tell u nothing about it just take a look for urself! some may disagree which is fine! but its the closet ive seen to postive representation of old belief! (please make acceptions for the ending mind, to my mind it is the films only true downfall)
 
feeorin xxx
 
Topic     RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs?     posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:30 PM      
 
I am an ordained priest in The Church Of Satan and am now the leading media reprsentative for the organisation in the UK. I don't even know where to begin. Journalists simply never do any research and keep asking the same tired old ignorant questions. It should be noted however, that we do not believe in pandering to victim status and complaining about being misunderstood. Quite frankly, unless we are directly accused of being involved in criminal activity we rarely even bother to enlighten them.
 
Topic     RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs?     posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:11 PM      
 
I have to say that I blame the Pagan Fed for a lot of this media misinformation. They are rather naive of such things and would rather do interfaith moots with raving fumdamentalists than address issues that are vital to occlutist freedoms.
 
Topic     RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs?     posted by Dale User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:00 PM      
 
Here's a good one for you.
 
I'm a photographer working for a group of Birmingham newspapers (thats the media bit...)
 
My youngest son came home a few months ago with a school library book (can't remember the title) about a wicked witch and her daughter who ate a boiled boy for tea. I got my arse in my hands and went to the school to complain. After a rant I said to the head teacher "Would you have a book in the school library about a muslim kid that goes into a crowded market and detonates a bomb on his chest?" "Oh, no!" was the reply. Another rant saying one does really happen and the other is total fiction was met by a shrug of the shoulders.
 
When I tried to run a story in our papers I hit a brick wall! Paganism is still seen as a kind of cult/joke/wierd fad by the media. I have tried to change thinking by doing features on Litha and Lammas celebrations at The Custard Factory in Brum.
 
The media pay lip service at best to Pagan practices.
 
Topic     Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs?     posted by Denise User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 12:07 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:23 AM      
 
Hi folks, Just thought you might be interested in this month's S.A. Poll. ' Do The Media Misrepresent Your Occult Beliefs' . Go to www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/census.htm and register your opinion with a single click at the bottom of the page. Then check out what others think. Interesting.... BB Denise W.
 
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Topic     RE: croydon libary ban     posted by kimball User
posted on April 09, 2010 at 04:29 PM      
 
YEA they do like to china bash dont they just to divert attention
 
Topic     RE: croydon libary ban     posted by kimball User
posted on April 03, 2010 at 05:08 PM
edited on April 06, 2010 at 09:31 AM      
 
Im taking up your advice using high john the conquer oil any letter's i send to my m.p's or local constitue's. tho i think it might be a security fault with ther computers since they have had trouble with ther computer's for years. will keep you posted
 
 
[INFOBURST: Thanks for that Kimball, the use of High John is a great idea and please do let us all know how you get on. It is interesting to reflect that shortly after you placed your original news about Croydon capitulating to the Xists and banning the S.A. the campaign by Google to counter censorship of the net by the Chinese government made headline news! So easy for the Establishment to divert the plebs'attentions away from what is happening to denude THEIR freedom of speech in favour of criticising a politically convenient scapegoat eh?
BB Denise W]
 
Topic     croydon libary ban     posted by kimball User
posted on March 19, 2010 at 05:31 PM
edited on March 22, 2010 at 02:38 PM      
 
just found out that my local libary (croydon clocktower)internet has ban the s.a website from it's server. im gob smack. and tick off
 
 
[Infoburst: So much for liberal academe! When this kind of censorship happens it is usually because the library has accepted a third party fundie inspired ban list which cleverly blacklists the most well known occult bookshops etc. If you complain to the head librarian they can set our site so it is seen by adults surfing the net and not by under 18s, though as we already impose our own voluntary ban on sales to under 18s
 
( see this for why:  http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/minors.htm) and there is nothing illegal on our website it is suitable for general use and these bans simply underline how the dissemination of important spiritual truths are being
censored by religious prejudice. Of course they wouldn't think twice about including images of a naked Jesus with his hands and feet nailed to a cross and with blood gushing from a gaping wound in his side - showing that to children is not only permissible but actually welcomed by mosts of the hypocrites who want to ban occult books as being psychologically damaging for children! Thanks for letting us know. BB Denise W.]
 
 
 
Topic     RE: Do we live in a totalitarian society     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:29 AM      
 
PART THREE:
 
 
Every person who has ever 'swallowed' any of the many false scares which the ruling elite has created over the past few decades, (Satanic Ritual Child Abuse, Global Warming etc.,) is guilty of supporting and condoning their own mental incarceration. That is why, as Herne queried, Satanism is so important for the well-being of mankind. Satanists can be relied upon to keep the doors of free-thought open in all creative areas. Artists, musicians, writers and unorthodox beliefs everywhere owe a real and very deep debt of gratitude to the many self-styled satanists who have trod the path of mental liberation, sometimes at great personal cost over many hundreds of years to keep those pathways of free-thought open. Love 'em or hate 'em, satanists should be the FIRST people to be offered support and protection when they are attacked by the Establishment because if they fall, so will we all. An understanding of how our interests are bound up with theirs, is one of the first stages on the way to adepthood.
Obviously here I am speaking of genuine satanists, and not the pimple-faced teenage wannabees who dance around in graveyards to get some attention.
 
 
 
You can find more background to this debate on the SAFF website here:
 
Keep up The Good Work
Denise Wadsworth, Scribe to Marabas
 
Topic     RE: Do we live in a totalitarian society     posted by Denise W User
posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM      
 
PART TWO:
 
Oh, except in parliament of course, where the defamation law doesn't apply and any MP can say what he wants to about you, however much of a lie it might be, and is protected by 'parliamentary privilege'.
 
 
The history of the internet encapsulates how the ruling elite retake control using subterfuge based on the ignorance and stupdity of the masses. The internet is TRULY democratic. When first originated anyone could say what they liked about anything. Of course a lot of this was evil nonsense but it was at least a level playing field of evil nonsense which enabled free-thinkers to make an informed decision. This gave power to the people.
 
 
Just like the printing presses threatened the monopoly of the church in the 15c, it became clear that the internet made parliament obsolete. What is the point of continuing with a 400 year old system designed when it took an MP three days to travel by coach from his constituency to Parliament to vote? In those days there was no alternative. The local political system was set up to supposedly seek out the feelings of constituents and convey it to Parliament where the MP supposedly voted en-bloc for what they wanted. Now we can do that with the press of a button on the internet. It is technically possible now for EVERYONE to have a say in EVERYTHING that goes on in this country and give their vote on ALL matters pertaining to our laws - within an instant.
 
 
Parliament is obsolete, but the democratists will not relinquish power and to protect themselves they used the old trick of firstly trying to discredit the medium - building an image of the internet as evil, wicked, untrustworthy, criminal, etc. and, particularly, massaging scares about the lack of security of information (so that they could use it as a reason to refuse to set up on-line voting) regardless of the farcical security surrounding ballot boxes and postal votes! Regardless of the fact that 99% of government confidential data is digitised.
 
 
In order to take control of the internet, (just as the churches took control of the printing presses in the 15c.) they have turned it against the people and now use leading-edge technology to surrveil YOU and I and everyone else to a point which is so intrusive that it would have been completely unacceptable and caused revolution 25 years ago. Marabas explained all this and prophecied it all and more, in detail when he wrote
 
Secrets of Mind Control (see details here which every freethinker should read and can download) decades ago but the point to remember is not the individual indignities which the government imposes almost daily but the root cause of it as outlined above.
 
 
In a democracy the people at the top will only listen to their citizens if they threaten their powerbase. 30 years ago when the Green Party first began they were considered fanatics. The moment they began to get votes ALL the parties moved Green-Left in their policies and now Labour has gone into idiotic overdrive concerning the Global Worming scare. BNP policies were condemned until they began winning seats over immigration whereupon the main parties all adopted anti-immigration policies considered unacceptable before. The very moment the public catch-up to what the politicians are doing with IT is the time when they can be stopped - that is why they MUST control the Information Technology Revolution and have, under the guise of 'security', imposed restrictions, censorship and invoked punitive new laws to all but destroy the lives of anyone who tries to breach those restrictions.
 
 
Every person who has ever 'swallowed' any of the many false scares which the ruling elite has created over the past few decades, (Satanic Ritual Child Abuse, Global Warming etc.,) is guilty of supporting and condoning their own mental incarceration. That is why, as Herne queried, Satanism is so important for the we
 
Topic     RE: Do we live in a totalitarian society     posted by Denise W User
posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:26 AM      
 
I agree with your sentiments Herne and your heartfelt comments. I believe many hundreds of thousands of other citizens of the Western World who have seen their inalienable human rights destroyed in progressive fashion over the past 25 years are also becoming aware of the tyranny which is unfolding. Marabas teaches that this is a BIG subject because it actually involves all aspects of human creative thought and endeavour and to try to sum up everything in one statements is virtually impossible. However, Marabas says it is all about Power and the Control of Power and though this cycle has been going on for millennia it is easier to understand it if we look at relatively modern times.
 
 
The basic recipe goes like this: We have been pap fed the illusion of democracy for 400 years by the ruling monarchistic elites worldwide who eked out their power in a feigned democracy as a controlled alternative to other systems which would completely remove them. The Magna Carta didn't bring democracy to the people, it just swapped one greedy megalomaniac (the King) with a bunch of greedy megalomaniacs (the Barons). The English Civil War didn't bring democracy it just replaced a bunch of Baronial megalomanicas with a bunch of religious fundamentalists in a pseudo-theocracy. The lie that Democracy is the only alternative has been ingrained into our minds by Democratists to such an extent that it has become the justification for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and many other sins, including carpet bombing women and children in the cities of the Ruhr in WWII, yet the ancient Greeks who originated the idea of Democracy didn't actually think much of it and chose other ways of living communally instead. The Romans of course had their Dictators and they didn't make too bad a job of civilisation for the thousand or so years they were the major superpower.
 
 
The con in Democracy is the idea that everyone has a vote, a say, in what happens but obviously history shows this only applies to things which are not of importance. There is no way that the 5,000 mandarins who influence the destiny of this country are going to allow plebs like you and I to make the 'wrong' choice in a referendum - witness the renaging of the promised referendum on membership of the EEC by labour and MANY other instances which did not please our economic masters. When did you vote as to whether Britain should go to war in Iraq? The real purpose of democracy is to fool the people into believing that what they think matters and that the system provides them with at least a modicum of power or control over what happens. In reality they have none, witness the sight of over a million pro-countryside protesters in the centre of London being completely ignored by the government.
 
 
Of course the one absolutely crucial thing to any Democracy is a Bureaucracy. Without this it cannot function to control and oppress the lives of its citizens. When the Bureaucracy fails, the political bullies call in the state police. When the uprising becomes too big for the police to handle the troops are sent in, witness the Peterloo massacre of starving workers protesting for their rights and being cut down by the sabres of English mounted cavalry in the middle of Manchester in August 1819.
 
 
The modern people who control us know the score. They know that it is better to give a little, to duck and dodge and sing the platitudes of Nationalism than to send in the troops to kill their own citizens. Thus deceit has become the main control method used by the Democratists. They tell lies, they cheat, they bring honour into disrepute and they can look you straight in the eye and do it because they many years ago put laws in place to censor your free-speech and say what you want to. Oh, except in parliament of course, where the defamation law doesn't apply and any MP can say what he wants to about you, however much of a lie it might be, and is protected by 'parliamentary
 
Topic     RE: Do we live in a totalitarian society     posted by wolfie User
posted on January 21, 2010 at 06:20 PM      
 
I was going to dive in on this one but decided I'd only end up ranting. It's easier to say that I heartilly agree with everything you've wrote! I can't remember who spoke the words but they said them some while ago that the government would do well to remember that Orwell's 1984 was a warning for the future and not a blueprint!
 
Topic     Do we live in a totalitarian society     posted by Herne User
posted on January 19, 2010 at 01:07 PM      
 
Do we live in a totalitarian society? And do we have a right as individuals or groups to lobby MPs to ban other people interests or lifestyles?
The government and MPs have jumped on the bandwagon over the last 5 years and we have seen restrictions over our lifes, under laws on health and safety, national security and moral decency, and it has been quite clear that PM Gordon Brown has been on his own moral crusade over the past few years, what the next government will be like I shudder to think.
Like what was said on a channel 4 documentary "Dance with the devil" if we allow pressure groups to draw the line, how long will it be before they want to move that line further back?
Our government can get around the human right laws by using, health and safety, national security and moral decency laws so really their are no human right laws, due to the loophole that the politicians conveniently put their.
But who is responsible for all of these new laws? With regret, society as a whole, each and very one of us with our own moral axe to grind, there are many groups that fight for liberty like SAFF, liberty International, backlash and forest are but a few, but again a lot of these groups also don`t like each other philosophy, so infighting amongst these groups only makes it easier for governments to pass more totalitarian laws.
I think back in the late 80s a SAFF newsletter reported that a pagan organisation said why should they protect satanism? It wasn't their religion.
But I think it was said by the SAFF, an attack on satanism is an attack on all alternative beliefs if we allow satanism to fall who will be next?
Freedom is like layers once the top one has eroded it exposes the one underneath to moral erosion and so on.
The smoking ban and the fox hunting ban has had far more implications than you ever thought, because other things have been banned under health and safety and moral decency, just look at the sorcerers apprentice, many of the things it once sold are banned, like buzz zing snuff, herbal high and many herbs are but a few, and some of their stock is under threat from new laws. "I stand corrected if I am wrong"
Some of you may rejoice over certain things that get banned, but remember eventually it will affect you in one way or another, what goes around comes around.
So who is responsible totalitarian society? You are in one way or another.
What ever happened to live and let live?
 
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Topic     Name Droppers     posted by Chris White User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 12:49 AM      
 
Hi Denise, Hi James,
I think it's a pretty safe bet that, by default, the more someone behaves like that, the less likely they are to be close to him. "The truth lying in the opposite". He sounds like the kind of manipulater that often frequent small groups of any kind. He'll use his 'converts' to strengthen his position and even turn friends against one another (watch out for him 'selectively editing' other peoples' quotes, making hard for them to deny it. He'll change the context leaving the listener to miscontrue it exactly the way he wants!) Once he has one or two convinced, he do very little work himself, just nudging here, suggesting there. Call it social engineering or a plain old fashioned con; it's the same disease. You'll find these people in forums all over the net starting flame wars too. They find it amusing to turn people against each other. They make great newspaper editors but lousy human beings. Here's the sad part. They don't think they are getting their hands dirty when in fact they do pollute their own soul every time they act or even think like that and there's no easy way to get rid of them unless the whole group can see through them. Try to persuade anyone, and you risk polarising the group and pushing some into his camp. He'll eventually try to take over the group and move up in the local area hierachy. Unfortunately he'll get quite a way until he encounters people wise enough to spike his guns.
I'm guessing that Marabas would never take as a student someone with such a big ego and mouth to match. He's a good judge of character; he has to be obviously. Bringing it to the forum straight away was the best thing you could do because otherwise you really only have two options:
If this guy is as inexperienced at real study as he sounds, you could try a banishing spell. The risk is that he's not and that he's already planning the same thing on anyone he considers a threat so keep your head down. Unfortunately if you do, (keep you head down, I mean) he'll realise you've got his number and you're not giving him any ammunition to use against you. By that time he may have 'recruited' others to do his dirty work so his ignorance won't be such a big problem by then.
You could quietely join another group but do you really want to? Maybe you've made good friends where you are, though unltimately he may give you no choice.
All things considered the only thing I can see that might help would be if Marabas could ask someone in the area with some clout to drop in discredit this clown once and for all. Nasty all round but most medicine don't taste very nice. Or perhaps Marabas could do a more sophosticated spell that might help? Maybe he already has; I'm just thinking out loud.
I'm really sorry I don't have anything more contructive to offer but I felt I should at least warn you what to expect. these people are not nearly as subtle as they think and your instincts are clearly good! They'll serve you well.
Take Care my friend.
Chris.
 
Topic     RE: Do you know this guy?     posted by Denise User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 03:28 PM      
 
Hi, James, No. From the details you have given us Marabas can't identify the person you are talking about. That means we don't know him. Obviously as Marabas has helped a lot of clients in a very personal sense over three decades he can't remember everyone but he would certainly remember those whom he had taught sufficiently for them to advertise it!
 
This kind of name-dropping does happen very regularly and it is difficult to counter. In many instances the people who pretend to be closest to Marabas have never met him. Some haven't even purchased
from the S.A. but are fully aware of the doors which his name opens and misuse his standing to agrandise themselves. Disreputable people like this often do not simply stop at name-dropping - we have heard of dozens of completely fictional anecdotes and stories which they have invented in order to gain attention for themselves.
 
Those clients who have actually benefited from Marabas's teaachings over the years respect him too much to flaunt that connection and so rarely pull this trick.
 
Of course many thousands of people DO know Marabas - he has helped over 70,000 souls over the past 30 years, often changed their lives totally for the better - so he naturally does get talked about a lot in occult circles but the simple answer to checking whether or not a bragger does in fact have the ear of Marabas is simply to write, telephone or email us and ask. Without exposing anyone's privacy or breaching confidentiality we will always answer truthfully. Certainly you should never accept the assertions otherwise.
Regards
Denise W.
 
Topic     Do you know this guy?     posted by James User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 03:09 PM      
 
Hi, Denise, I'm one of your long-time clients and I just met a guy called John Wxxxxx at one of those Pagan Meets in a local pub in Lancaster and he was acting as though Marabas was his long-lost brother or something. Like Marabas and he were so close and together that he (John)was giving all the newcomers the idea that M had trained him up as his right hand man. And they all suckered into it. Is this guy really so close to Marabas? Tell me, because if he isn't I would love to deflate his ego. YITGW James F.
 
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Topic     RE: elemental weapons     posted by Denise W User
posted on January 29, 2008 at 03:57 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:56 AM      
 
Hi all,
As Anonymous points out these elemental weapons are SYMBOLS therefore there is no hard and fast rule. Marabas teaches that the Wand is fire because sticks rubbed together produce fire. The dagger is air because it is a truncated spear - the platen or pantacle symbolises earth because it is a stylised development of the quorn or stone platen on which grain was processed but some hold that the original 'dagger' was the first cutting edges made from flint. So there are many alternative views which are not represented in modern books on magic. Marabas also teaches that the correspondences for paraphernalia are not sacrosanct because their powers and orientation change depending on whereabouts in the world you are situated. Our Australian Cousins have rites which are antipodean to us by date and in Chinese Magic the four winds are apportioned to different quarters - yet the magic still works. Marabas explains this by saying that as long as the symbols are holistic (i.e. give a complete spectrum of the elements and positions) and as long as their adoption is wholly believable by the magician and appropriate to the method used then he/she can adopt ANY appropriate symbol providing it is used repeatedly and permanently so that its impact builds in the unconscious.
 
After all the object of ritual magic is to create around oneself a microcosm of the universe in order to retain control over it within the circle. As long as one realises what one is doing then by all means amend tradition - but otherwise stick to what has gone before and already proven to suit the local gods. BB Denise W.
 
 
 
[INFOBURST: You can see more of Marabas's teachings on the origins of Wicca and Shamanism, in particular the use of elemental weapons; in his Beginner's Guide to Witchcraft & Shamanism available instantly for download now on
 
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/staroff2.htm]
 
Topic     RE: dagger and wand     posted by windymiller User
posted on January 28, 2008 at 10:29 PM      
 
Hi. Yeah, funnily enough it was a Steven Skinner book that got me to thinking about this-his reasoning in it as to why its Air Wand and Fire Dagger does sound quite plausible. I actually agree with you though that its the Air Dagger and Fire Wand and not the other way around but its always good to have others opinions!!
 
Topic     dagger and wand     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 28, 2008 at 08:37 PM      
 
The wand is definately fire and the dagger air, though the weapons can be assigned the other way around, this is a recent alteration to a much older tradition. Stephen Skinner writes excellent books but he changed this around without proper evidence - based on his assumptions that a blind had been employed by earlier writers.
 
I have used then in both ways and I feel sure that the more traditional way is the correct one.
 
Of course on an entirely different note, outside of the traditional magickal elemental weapons, you can have your wand ( s ) consecrated and charged with any element, force or power as you desire.
 
Topic     elemental weapons     posted by windymiller User
posted on January 27, 2008 at 04:04 PM      
 
There seems to be disaggrement over the elemental weapons assigned to air and fire. As far as I can see, most would say that the weapon for Air would be the dagger and that for Fire it would be the wand but there are other people who claim that it is the other way around. In the LBRP the Archangel Raphael (East and Air) is visualised carrying a wand and Michael (South and Fire) is carrying a sword (which is basically a BIG dagger?). So is it the Air Dagger and Fire Wand or as others claim, the Fire Dagger and Air Wand and should be consecrated as thus? I would like to hear what forum readers think and why they think it.
 
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Topic     RE: Elephant's hair bracelet ?     posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 09:46 AM      
 
 
 
[Infoburst: Cripes that's old news. Apparently we used to sell Elephant Hair Bangles in the 1970s but so did others (the world has changed rapidly since those halcyon days ;-)) Of course I can feel the heckles starting to rise in those who have been indoctrinated with the self-righteousness of the modern ecology movement but ignorant people never think beyond what they are told to think and domesticated Elephants aren't harmed by having their hair cut! Marabas says he got so fed up having to explain this obvious fact that he decided not to bother and deleted the item from our lists decades ago. M says there is a very complex relationship regarding occult traditions and the mega-moralism of Vego-fascists (and before anyone asks, yes I am a vegetarian myself!) which Wind-in-The-Willows emotionalism simply cannot understand. For example; Some of the ancient grimoires ask for Dragon's Blood Ink . ( WHOA! moral outrage approaching the N word effect begins!) but settle down folks because no, we don't need to kill komodo dragons to make it, for Dragon's Blood is a colloquial name for the resin from a Sumatran tree which gives a beautufil RED COLOUR. Of course some ancient magical texts also call for the sacrifice of a white dove, but anyone who kills a bird in this way wants his ass kicking because no adept would countenance animal cruelty - it is completely unnecessary. It is necessary however to have RED magical ink for talismans etc. and in the far off days when synthetic dyes were not available there were few materials to produce deep red other than Dragon's Blood Resin which is why it is recommended in the grimoires! Lesson Over. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Elephant's hair bracelet ?     posted by Debbie User
posted on July 10, 2008 at 02:12 PM      
 
Dear Sorcerer's Apprentice,
 
Many years ago a friend gave me a bracelet he said was from 'the
Sorcerer's Apprentice', and made from 'Elephant's hair' (?)
I don't know if you ever sold such a thing but am curious. It
was quite thick black strands but never having seen Elephant's
'hair' I don't know if it was or not. I can't see such a thing
on your online catalogue, and not sure if he meant yourselves ?
 
Best wishes, Debbie
 
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Topic     Abortions     posted by AnnB User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 09:34 PM
edited on August 08, 2008 at 08:36 AM      
 
I have no problem with anyone criticising my action I am at peace with myself now after many years the saying that your pillow knows all our tears is very apt.
SO please Denise dont be concerned for me now you are a sweet person who must be good if she likes cats.
Take Care
AnnB I shared this sad little tale for anyone else who may face these problems
 
 
A wise conclusion and an important contribution to this thread. So few women have the strength of spirit or the opportunity to unburden themselves about this subject precisely due to the 'verbal restraint' imposed upon them by the Xists. Let's hope this thread helps them. And yes, I do love cat's, they are delicious marinated for 24 hours in a garlic sauce. (JOKE!) BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Liberty.     posted by nome. User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 05:10 PM
edited on August 08, 2008 at 08:43 AM      
 
Perhaps it is guilt, that inspires me to comment. A Teen in the 70's, I grew with the concept of m/f equality.
As a representitive of 'modern man', I apologise, with My heart,
for the atrocious treatment of woman by man over 2,000 yrs. We do our utmost to repair the damage.
To quote Thelemic moral-socio/political objectives, mainly achieved now, ".....No grand cross on a hill for woman, who has silently born Her pain over millenia" Formed in 1904, the Religion proposes the, pre-Suffragette, overthrow of Victorian hypocrytical bigotry, largely achieved by the 'Flower Power' of the 60's, and so forth.
Women, in the U.K.,now have the right to choose, which, I feel, is a significent advance, historically, not always available.
Best Wishes.
 
 
[Infoburst Exactly. The modern emancipation and empowerment of women in our society is a direct result of the loosening of the bonds of patriarchy and the flowing of the goddess current as the Piscean age wanes. This isn't feminist dogma I am not highlighting anything other than fair-do's and a recognition of the positive differences between all men and all women. BB Denise W]
 
Topic     RE: Abortions     posted by Denise W. User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 01:10 PM      
 
 
 
[Infoburst: Thanks for sharing that with us AnnB you are a very open hearted person and it would be a wicked personality who could not sympathise, however the purpose of this forum is constructive dialectic and people should be aware that their statements will be criticised in the light of occult teaching and that this may disturb.
 
 
It is, for example absolutely imperative that women escape the indoctrinated guilt which patriarchal societies have enforced upon us about our own bodies and our own offspring. You have carried that guilt for many years, unnecessarily. Unnecessarily to the extent that a woman would ALWAYS feel responsible for taking such an action but in a truly free society is able to come to terms with it if it is HER guilt and not one projected onto her by others, mainly men. No-one is suggesting that a woman should consider abortions as a form of contraception - that is evil, but a woman knows instinctively, by and large, what is right both for her and the quality of life of her prospective child and it is not her but the human condition which is at fault if she is forced into a lose-lose choice as you were. It is not therefore right for AnnB to perpetuate that patriarchal mind-set by warning other women off having an abortion because she has plainly suffered with guilt for so many years because of the unrelenting impropaganda of the male Xists who run our sick society. No woman will lightly undertake such a decision but must be free to do so without the interference of an anachronistic moral and legal structure developed and imposed by the minds of mediaeval religious zealots. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Abortions     posted by AnnB User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 12:06 PM
edited on August 07, 2008 at 01:03 PM      
 
This is a very delicate 
Topic and not a question for people who have no experience or need of this should be so outspoken.I had my first child and he ws given a week to live but he pulled through this is due to my blood group B-Rheusus negative with antibodies which can harm children, so we decided that was that after having been informed my next child would either be born dead or would be in the Doctors words a monster. The inevitable happened after stopping the pill at 35 I fell again for four tortured months I and my husband wavered and then we were told this child was indeed crippled with twisted muscles and would live but a short time, so we ahead and aborted her yes it was a girl the one thing I had always wanted, but she was gone, but forever in my heart that was nearly 25years ago, then her father died and he returned in spirit bringing with him a shy beautiful child with everything perfect in all details, Hello mummy its Holly she said, I absolutely broke down but she is always with her dad now and is happy, but can be a little annoying as she loves pearls and always wants me to wear them even with jeans and a t shirt. She is always in pink with of course the pearls Many mediums at the school I attend have got thrugh to her and daddy comes too of course. She is a happy bonny spirit and I still love her memory. So think before you jump on the inevitable band wagon of these awfully bad people who kill life.Denise that is a good point about men killing every time they ejaculate.Thankyou.
 
Topic     Embryology/Abortion/Nazis     posted by Alan User
posted on May 27, 2008 at 09:20 AM      
 
Hi,
 
Thanks to Denise for excellent input on the abortion issue.
I agree totally. Regards the direction the thread has taken,
maybe I shouuldn't have quoted Peter H. Gilmore, I had no
idea of any Nazi connections beyond historical ritualism
Satanists might have. If possible could the Nazi/satanist
stuff be moved to a post of its own ? Best to All, Alan.
 
Topic     Satanists and Nazis     posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 10:17 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:24 AM      
 
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Topic     RE: Manson, satanism and Nazis     posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 10:15 PM
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Topic     Manson, satanism and Nazis     posted by JK User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 11:46 AM
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posted on May 23, 2008 at 11:44 AM
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Topic     RE: Satanism and Nazis     posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 04:50 AM      
 
This is the bonewitz link I meant:
http://www.neopagan.net/SatanicAdventure.html
 
Sorry for taking up so much of the Embryology/Abortion
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Topic     RE: Satanism and Nazis     posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 04:28 AM
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Topic     Satanism.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 03:52 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:19 AM      
 
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Topic     Satanism and Nazis     posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 03:20 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:18 AM      
 
Pagan Pete, Please endeavour to keep on 
Topic.
If you want to start an associated thread put a small message into the existing thread announcing a new one and then start a separate new thread for the subject you want to debate. In this instance I have done the job for you and moved the 'Satanism and Nazis' thread elsewhere. BB Denise W
 
Topic     RE: Embryology/Abortion     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 03:06 AM      
 
Absolute sincere apologies for flaming, Denise. I respect S.A. and this site,I will not waste space. I do My utmost to aid Humanity, but as I was cast back into Geburah, My birthrite, I am not a nice person, when attacked by qlippothic covens, as I was that day.
I believe the ends will justify my means.To my friends, I am loving, caring etc. Which dosn't justify inflicting my foul side
onto someone in your excellent site. Again, I sincerely apologise,
this will not happen again. Good luck with your work, and thanks for the link.
 
Topic     RE: Embryology/Abortion     posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:42 AM      
 
Well, Denise, the moderators won't allow truth that might offend, oh, you are the moderator! Brilliant writing, and high time it was spelled out! What's next? More Truth?!!!
 
Topic     RE: Embryology/Abortion     posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:38 AM      
 
"If a Male cannot be celibate for short periods, He's sadly lacking in basic self control, surely. Incidentally, self imposed celibacy, including masturbation, is a valuable exercise, plan, say, 6 weeks celibacy, and see what all that accumulated sex force does! If you will. Just a thought. " Accumulated sex force ? Yeah I have read the SAFF Black Museum too!
 
Topic     RE: Embryology/Abortion     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 02:58 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:31 AM      
 
Hell anony mouse. What is the saff black museum? I tried to give
inspiration to beginners, and found you, a little coward sneering at me.
Give me your name , boy, then we can etherically/astrally connect.
Explain your sneering and references, please, and show yourself.
Whats your problem with Me trying to help? Why do you feel so worthless? Blame it on your childhood? Not good enough. Come on,
speak.
 
 
[Infoburst: No Flaming on this forum Draconuit. Intelligent reposte is required to avoid waste of space on unnecessary personality clashes. You can see the Black Museum of Priestly Abuse on this link: http://saff.nfshost.com/sickvics.htm
 
Topic     RE: Embryology/Abortion     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 06:10 PM      
 
Here in Ireland condoms were illegal up until 1993. Abortion is still illegal but most people come over to you in the UK. There was a case recently of a young girl who was in foster care, she got pregnant and because she was a ward of the state she had no other option but to have the baby and give it up for adoption. We still have to pay silly amounts for condoms and the taxman takes his slice. Things have improved alot here but still most of the schools that have a decent budget are catholic run and until Banardos got to Ireland most of the fostering and care homes were run also by the church. There are a lot of positive changes happening in Ireland that are freeing up our perceptual limitations but i do watch wot i say especialy as i have a thick English accent.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Embryology/Abortion     posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 04:29 PM      
 
Fundies argue that a foetus is alive at the moment of conception. In the sense that it is alive cellularly then that is true but it has no independent life until parturition. One may as well claim that every time a man ejaculates he is killing millions of children because only one or two sperm will hit their mark and fertilise a cell. And in this we are getting closer to the truth; because the religious prohibition against masturbation was based on this idea. Can you see where these people are going and what exists behind the Vatican's continual insistence that contraception is a sin? It is a sin because when people have protected sex they are 'killing babies'. In the 1960s the Vatican undertook a world-wide study of the implications of The Pill. The result was Huminae Vitiae, a Papal encyclical which reinforced the catholic prohibition against contraception - and condemned millions of poverty struck Catholics to further suffering in the third world. So this debate is not just about 'abortion'. An argument could easily be posited that by rejecting birth-control the Vatican sealed the fate of millions of children who have died undernourished and from disease in the third world because they were the offspring of parents who simply could not afford them, in countries where state governments were unable to keep up with the requirements of their exploding populations. It is easy to picture a bloody embryo but can the people who put up posters of this produce one to make it easy for people to visualise a child in Africa dying slowly and inexorably from curable diseases caused by deficient diet and malnutrition because some asshole priest has indoctrinated the parents into the belief that they will burn in hell if they use birth control methods? Is the epidemic of AIDS in Africa a result of the promescuity of Africans, or the end result of the interference of celebate priests who hold that the use of condoms is a sin? BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Embryology/Abortion     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 05:04 AM      
 
Alan asks "Do paths such as Thelema hold a widespread concensus on this issue?" (Approx.) I have never found reference to this issue
in Thelemic morality, although much is written concerning the
careful nurture and education of children. It was illegal to have abortions (except in special circumstances) when the framework was composed. As with all things Thelemic, ' Do your True Will" applies.
True Will= Higher self; Holy Guardian Angel, etc. which manifests as concience. It is therefore a matter of common sense, as to the
viability of giving birth or not. La Veys opinion that contraception is a more important issue here, is interesting.
If one does not favour contraception, there is the rythm method.
If a Male cannot be celibate for short periods, He's sadly lacking in basic self control, surely. Incidentally, self imposed celibacy, including masturbation, is a valuable exercise, plan, say, 6 weeks celibacy, and see what all that accumulated sex force does! If you
will. Just a thought.
 
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Topic     RE: Satanism/Abortion     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:43 PM      
 
It dose not seem to me that LeVey is outright siding with the anti-abortion bunch. He might just be saying there a better way, like be responsible and take birth control. Thats the first bit of Levey I have read. Cheers, he seems like a cool guy.
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Satanism/Abortion     posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:32 PM      
 
ps. LaVey essay is called 'The Third Side', here's the snippet from
Peter Gilmore's interview...
 
PG: I think people should practice birth control rather than use abortion as an easy way out. Again, the concept of being responsible for yourself and not to willy-nilly get pregnant unless you are really interested in carrying forth the child. Since we have overpopulation generally speaking, I think abortion is something fine to be used, but I think it should not be used as a means of cleaning up after people’s irresponsible sexual activity.
 
DS: Why do you not consider it just another operation? Some people run or exercise not realizing their limitations and pull a muscle or need an operation for that.
 
PG: I would look at it as if I was the fetus, I wouldn’t want to be snuffed out. [Laughs]
 
DS: So is the fetus a sentient being?
 
PG: Not necessarily, it’s just a piece of tissue and most human life doesn’t really have that much value on a grand scale. In the universe, individual life is practically meaningless, it’s sort of like droplets in a wave that crashes against a rock. Who cares about the droplets? The way life works is it is making large amounts of species of whatever it is, and it keeps moving biologically. I would just think that if it was myself as the fetus, I have a potential to become the person that I am. I wouldn’t want to be snuffed out.
 
DS: When do you think life begins?
 
PG: Life is there, whether it is conscious and valuable is debatable.
 
DS: You mean just on a cellular level it is functioning?
 
PG: Yeah, it is life. Sperms and eggs are alive, they’re organic, you can’t say that is not life. But what I think you’re looking for is the idea that Christians wants to say from conception. If people want to have abortions it really doesn’t bother me, I just think they really should be more responsible. It just makes more sense. Contraception is easy!
 
DS: A lot of people don’t like contraception.
 
PG: And a lot of people are morons and irresponsible, so—
 
Topic     RE: Satanism/Abortion     posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:29 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:35 AM      
 
Leo, LaVey's opinions are in an essay in his last (posthumous) book
Satan speaks. Peter H.Gimore's opinions are on an interview linked
from his page on wikipedia:
 
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Satanism:_An_interview_with_Church_of_Satan_High_Priest_Peter_Gilmore
 
- Alan.
 
 
[Infoburst: I wouldn't rely too much on things found on Wikipedia Alan - We have for several years been trying to get them to accept a footnote on their Sorcerer's Apprentice page concerning the fact that we are the registered trademark holders of that name in the U.K. but Wikipedia won't have it - it is run by moderators who think every bit of information offered by a company has to be some kind of sales ploy! BB Denise W]
 
Topic     Satanism/Abortion     posted by Rex User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:09 PM      
 
Alan,
What are your references for the remarks by laVey and Gilmore.
I would have thought they would be more open to 'choice' ?
That said, many Satanists are a bit, er Right wing...
Leo
 
Topic     RE: Embryology/Abortion     posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 08:17 PM      
 
We have the ability to change things so change them we will.
 
However, the xists will always bleat on about things that are against ‘God’s law’ (in their biblical opinion) and the MPs who follow the same old xist path for votes will always give the voters what they want. Science is as per usual held back via the smug xist 5th column in Westminster but change will come in leaps and bounds whether they like it or not.
 
Topic     Embryology/Abortion     posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:11 AM      
 
Hi All,
 
With all the news-media coverage of the latest Parliamentary
talks on embryology, cloning, hybrid embryos and the abortion
issue, can forum users of different paths, and the SA give their
opinions on these matters of science and ethics ?
 
Interestingly I noted that both Anton LaVey and current HP of Church
of Satan Peter H.Gilmore have both made statements expressing personal anti-abortion feelings, which the uninformed public would
no doubt be confused at as Xtians especially probably think Satanists are rabid baby killers, but I digress, what are the Aeonic
implications and so on inherent in these matters, and do certain
paths like Wicca, Thelema have a general consensus ?
 
Alan.
 
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Topic     RE: Enhancing friendship...     posted by Karen User
posted on June 09, 2008 at 01:09 AM      
 
Speaking of oils, something's happened to the S.A.'s magical oils page. It isn't coming up correctly (at least, not on my laptop). Also the homepage layout is a bit wonky. I know this forum isn't about SA website tech, but I just thought I'd mention it, as I can't get most of the oils page to come up.
 
As for love vs. friendship, I think they very much go together; but at the moment, I'd settle for a closer friendship or love between friends, however I/we could manage it...
 
Topic     RE: Enhancing friendship...     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 11:50 PM      
 
Do you want friendship or love with this man? If love then have you considered the S.A's lovespell or love and respect oil? I am no expert so best to ask the S.A for advice but I'm sure they could recommend some oil. I have used their oils with great success.
 
Topic     RE: Enhancing friendship...     posted by Karen User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 11:39 PM      
 
Well, it's sort of an existing acquaintance that I'd like to be closer. The individual I'm thinking of is a musician like me, someone I really want to work with professionally; but he doesn't think we know each other *well enough* to make this work out. We're on relatively friendly terms usually; I'd just like it to be a closer friendship. I was listening to one of his songs online just now, and it makes me quite sad, as I'm quite sure we could work together quite well, if only I could talk him into it...
 
Topic     RE: Enhancing friendship...     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 10:15 AM      
 
Hi Karen, are you talking about someone you want to be friends with or an exsisting friendship that has become strained?
 
Topic     RE: Friendship.     posted by Jonathan J User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 03:33 PM      
 
I totally agree with the previous advice.
 
If your friend is great and cares for you then let things take their natural course............if not, you will find someone better who can give you what you need.
 
Topic     Friendship.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 12:19 AM      
 
If your friend suffers cramp, whilst swimming in your local river, do you invoke The Undines to give aid? Or do you wade in and pull them out? My point; all things to their own plane, if you want to be friends with someone, howsabout introducing yourself, and being friendly?
Why not save your Magick force for situations that can only be solved Magickally? Just a thought.
 
Topic     Enhancing friendship...     posted by Karen User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 03:03 AM      
 
Does anyone know a good magickal method for enhancing a friendship, or making a friendship closer and more harmonious? And is there such a method that does not require both persons to be present? Thanks in advance for any information...
 
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Topic     RE: evolution     posted by Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 02:13 AM      
 
Although I do not claim to know the answer to this question with any degree of certainty, I have read Doreen Virtue's Earth Angels book. She talks about incarnated "fantasy creatures" such as Elves, Unicorns, etc. I choose to accept her philosophy on this 
Topic and incorporate that knowledge into my own beliefs. I am certain The Sorcerer's Apprentice should have many resources on this issue if you would like to learn more.
 
Topic     evolution     posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 05:11 AM      
 
can you instead of reborn became a supernatural creature with no memory of his past?
 
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Topic     RE: Facebook Idea     posted by Karen in Seattle User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 01:15 AM      
 
Hmmm...I just found some info on the Cook Report business (from 1988, I think); and I begin to see what you mean. Here in Seattle and vicinity, there are a number of Pagan and metaphysical bookstores that are seldom bothered in a significant way; but Seattle is a lot more progressive than other parts of the U.S. I can only imagine what the folks at Edge of the Circle Bookstore would be facing down in, say, South Carolina, or rural Colorado...
 
Topic     RE: Facebook Idea     posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 12:23 PM      
 
Hi RP and thanks for your kind comments. On the face of it (forgive the pun) it seems like a good idea and M has indeed considered Face Book, but there are confidentiality problems with Blogs and this is why Marabas chose this forum method as a communal debating area instead. As you know you can say more or less what you want in the S.A.Esoteric Forum and do so with complete anonymity. Equally everyone who uses it is, or should be, perfectly aware that it is a public forum and that many other people, (friends and enemies) will be surfing it regularly. Thus inately contributors will be careful and moderate their approach accordingly. As I mentioned on another thread elsewhere in this forum we are already working on a special webchat system where clients who sign-in under their client numbers will be able to take part in real-time in discussions and lectures with Marabas. We think this is a much safer and more workmanlike option but are open to suggestions for and against.
 
As far as Karen's suggestion about staff Blogs is concerned one has to realise that the people who work here are constantly under attack from fundamentalists of all persuasions - it comes with the territory. I won't go into the details of the tricks these anally retentive people try because it may enthuse more of them, but whenever possible Marabas always protects his helpers. I well remember during the despicable persecution of Marabas by the Cook Report, when they laid siege to our premises, M broke out the Halloween stock and issued face masks to everyone before we exited the building so that they couldn't be identified on film. This was particularly crucial in the case of one female member of staff whom M had given sanctuary to after fleeing from an abusive relationship. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Facebook Idea     posted by Karen User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 12:52 AM      
 
I wonder if the S.A. has any Myspace presence, come to think of it? For some reason, I can't even recall how I stumbled across the S.A. website; but I got there, eventually (and got quite hooked on the cyberbooks, and would purchase and download a lot of other products, if money was no obstacle...LOL). Do any of the S.A. staff have Myspace or Facebook pages? I 've got a Myspace page, and just opened one on Facebook; I'm still sort of figuring out how to maneuver through Facebook...
 
Anyway, hope everyone in the U.K. is having better weather than here in Seattle. We got snow on Friday, and we've been nearly freezing to death this past week. Enjoy spring, everyone...
 
--Karen
 
Topic     Facebook Idea     posted by RP User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 07:18 PM      
 
Hi,
 
Please don't think of what I have written as presumption. I thought that I would sound my idea, but just to obtain some feedback with regards to anything similar that you may be planning for the future.
 
I was wondering if Marabas and the S.A would consider using Facebook as a medium for contact with clients? Although not entirely the same thing, lot of Orders are now running both official and unofficial Facebook as a means of information exchange,networking and contact.
 
Another interesting idea that Facebook could support is something for friends of the S.A, and by that I mean that as a guess, I summise that there should be some kind of egregore that nearly all S.A clients share - irrespective of Path. Why? My idea comes from the fact that all regular clients know that the S.A is the absolute best and also we will have used many of the same top quality items of paraphernalia be they incenses,oils,candles a.s.o. as a result then, there should be a subtle consenses and dare I say fraternity between all.
 
This is only an idea which you may or may not like but from my own point of view I think it could work, and that it would be of immense benifit to the S.A and its clients. What do you think?
 
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Topic     RE: Focus     posted by Charisma User
posted on February 01, 2008 at 02:34 PM      
 
Thank you for replying, your advice is the one that makes the most sense.The best magic I ever performed was candle magic simple spells no ritual just a circle candles incense and words, fast acting as well. Since I posted this I have come to the insight that instead of using different rituals its best to stick to the same format and just tweak things here and there my ultimate goal(always has been) is to move all my magic into the astral realm with a temple there so I cut back on my mind moving with my body which causes the problems.So at the moment I'm training hard to get to the point where I can move between the 2 worlds and your advice has cleared up a few sticking points I had thank you for your time and help. Charismaxx
 
Topic     RE: Focus     posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 03:05 PM      
 
Greetings Charisma, Respect!Battling along the Magickal path, with the added hindrence you endure, is, to my mind, an admirable statement of self will; I have met several naturally 'gifted' people, too lazy to learn even how to cast a circle, who have
expected me to reveal the 'mysteries' without going through the 'tedium' of study and practice,i.e. Hard work!(Naturally, they fall prey to the unscrupulous.) I may be able to offer a pointer,
some years ago, I repeatedly experienced unexpected samadhi, for some, a great goal, in other circumstance, a hindrence,I.E. In mid
Ritual, sometimes preceded by a flash of white light within, I would
find myself with no recollection of what I had been doing. I soon
realised, that as long as the initial banishing had been performed, this was not too bad a situation. I would simply be seated, focuing on a candle flame, and feel the energies present, I found it helpful to have the ritual written in minute detail, that when I felt ready, I could recall how far I'd got. As a brain muscle strengthener, a point drawn within a circle is good for total concentration of the psyche; one-pointedness.Contraction.
Without moving your primary focus, expand your vision to encompass
the surrounding circle; expansion. Draw a further circle, grit your jaw and concentrate your thought on the point, no doubt wrestling with all sorts of thoughts, so goes it. Expand your conciousness to include the first, and second circle, still focussing on the centre. Finally, expand your vision to encompass the entire room. Contract your conciousness to the 'one pointed' state, then expand; in effect you're flexing new psychic muscles,
they will grow. So, basically,I suggest you relax with the experience, FEELING the state, whilst practising control in the
long term. Best wishes, T.8
 
Topic     focus and angels     posted by charisma User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 09:15 PM      
 
to be honest thats one aspect of magic i haven't done the way i was raised was not to trust them so i stay away from something i don't know much about but would welcome advise on it.
thank you for taking the time out to chat though appreciate it
 
Topic     RE: focus     posted by Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 10:34 PM      
 
Sounds like you have many exterior aids... But what about spiritual? Have you called upon the Angels to ask for strength, endurance, and clarity? I don't know if we are ever at the level we "want" ... but don't be so hard on yourself...relax, get your rest and continue to persevere. I am sure you will be exactly where you are supposed to be.
Blessings,
Patti
 
Topic     focus     posted by charisma User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 10:26 PM      
 
I work with crystals and oils and although they do help its still not as maximised as i want. have already purchased things from SA aswell that i`m working with started with candle magic from S A when I was 18 now i`m 35 I do have a lot of experiance in different magic formulas but I cant seem to master something for me
 
Topic     Focus     posted by charisma User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 11:01 AM      
 
I suffer from Asperger's Syndrom a form of autism and one of the worse parts of it for me is the fact i cant focus on a task to good, moving from one thing i`m concentrating on to the next is really hard, in ritual sometimes i have clear thinking other times just confusion.
What I`m asking for is does anyone know any tecknicks which could help with focus and concentration i have meditated, held a thoughtform, i have done many other things but need help now as i am trying work on astral magic and cant hold a thoughtform long enough.
Thanks
 
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Topic     RE: Forum purity/ So What Is Pure?     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 06:00 PM      
 
Surely it is up to the S.A to decide whose threads are to be errased - and what is the point of that nanny sensorship anyway?? Most occultist's - I presume? - do not like being sensored,editored,threatened or spied upon: being told what they can and can't say etc. The pernickety and easily offended should certainly not bother with a site like this one! A site which is for genuine occultists, regardless of their background,training,opinions or sense of humour. If everyone went pussyfooting around and apologising for their own existence and individuality all the time - as we have to do in ordinary modern society - then what would be the point in posting or reading what others have written? Sensorship creates far more garbage than it could ever removes!!
 
The opinionated and repressed seekers should check their sensibilities with things 'like' Zen. You have to break down the misinformed ego otherwise you could end up bullshitting yourself about what is correct and incorrect for the rest of your life!
 
Marabas blows the gaff on everything in his Mind Control publications.
 
Thanks for setting up the site.Another great S.A product for the genuine amongst us.
 
Topic     RE: SA value     posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:14 PM      
 
Yes - like a good wine time is the essential part of the process. The SA has, does and will in future be a beacon of insight to many that as yet do not know where they are going.
 
Topic     RE: SA value     posted by Denis User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:15 AM      
 
Thanks for that Pejay, we all work v.hard here to provide genuine progress for all our clients and it's nice to get some feedback. I have been working here for years and though we regularly receive unsolicited testimonials about how the S.A. has changed peoples lives for the better I too, like you, think that the long-term effect of Marabas's work and quests is not fully realised by many. As you say time will tell. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Forum purity     posted by Denise User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:07 AM      
 
Don't worry MrFrisky, Pejay is right - the forum must have the widest scope possible and as occult beliefs are at the centremost part of each person's being there's bound to be a passionate dialectic. We expect that. The overriding consideration is that contributions must be constructive so all participants can benefit. The pool of exceptional talent amongst S.A. clientelle will ensure the high-quality of the threads in our Forum but if you have any reason to complain then email details of any misuse to the url shown on the front page of our Forum (i.e. saefATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk. BB Denise W
 
Topic     SA value     posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 10:24 AM      
 
I sincerely believe that one day, perhaps in the far distant future, society will have evolved into a state of greater awareness. This is the natural progression of our species. When this occurs, man with look back and realise the great value of the groundbreaking work done by the Sorcerer’s Apprentice; work that has helped immensely in allowing individuals to achieve their quest to be greater beings.
 
Topic     RE: Forum purity     posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 10:12 AM      
 
Ensuring forum purity is virtually an impossible task these days and may not work to anyone’s best advantage anyway. Bringing in a certain 'chaotic' element ensures a vigour that may be lost if one is too fussy about content.
 
Topic     Forum purity     posted by mrfrisky330 User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 01:14 PM      
 
Hello!
There are a few esoteric forums on the net and all of them seem to be full of people misusing them for non esoteric communication and they usually end up being full of jokers and unrelated threads.
 
How can we ensure this forum is for genuine people? Will non esoteric threads be erased? Is there someone we can contact if we have evidence the forum is being misused?
 
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Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Puretongue User
posted on April 28, 2008 at 03:25 PM      
 
If anyone is concerned about the detail of the new regulations replacing the FMA, you can see them by following the links from the site Richard mentioned at the start of this thread.
 
Since they include a change in the fundamental principles of UK law (from "innocent until proven guilty" to "prove you didn't con them") it might be worth a read.
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 26, 2008 at 09:04 PM      
 
How true Denise - you have your finger on the pulse I see.
 
There are frequent apparently unrelated secular beliefs (often not of a religious nature) which the Evangelical-Machine regularly targets. Abortion, Euthanasia, Homosexuality etc, all such Freedom-of-Belief issues come under the fundie sledge hammer as 
Topics they'd love to have settled under Holy-Writ! Since the early days of Christianity, the Church Fathers and their underlings have been seeking to disenfranchise all unconventional philosophies, which they identify as conflicting with their absolutist Biblical-Doctrine. Into this oppressive showground comes COMPLEMENTARY HEALTH. We all know how Herbalism, Dowsing etc were used during the notorious Burning-Times as categorical proof of guilt by the inquisitorial 'Matthew-Hopkins' fan club back in the 1600s. Well nothing has changed that much! The reason for ancient and modern-day Xtian prejudice herein is largely due to Holistic Health's long PRE-CHRISTIAN heritage that of course links intimately with PAGAN FAITH SYSTEMS. If anyone wrongly thinks that today's Xtian approach is somehow more 'enlightened' then they have sadly fallen into the mind thrall of the biased system at hand.
 
Anonymous says:
 
“I believe that legislation of some kind has to exist to protect people from occult fraud ( because there is a lot of it about, and it does nothing for the reputation of genuine occultists - quite the reverse).”
 
I disagree and find that response to be the rather naïve and the slippery slop back to outlawing unpopular forms of occultism like witchcraft. Legislation is a hammer historically used to crush unorthodoxy and religious dissent and what makes you think anything has changed that much? Are you aware that MPs and their minions in the UK, who pass laws, are still willing to single out persons from Pagan backgrounds and highlight their beliefs in a negative fashion when it suits their arrogant purposes? Do you really think you can trust such politicians to take your beliefs into proper consideration in such events? I feel that “genuine occultists” would not need such things highlighted as I have done above!
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 23, 2008 at 01:47 PM      
 
Hi Sandygrounds - you are right to be both cynical and suspicious. This is a good opportunity to point out in this thread that amendments to the FMA are an obfuscation. There are more subtle gambits being used by Xists , many of which are so cleverly presented that they actually obtain the approval of unthinking members of the occult community! E.G. SAFF research proves that The BMA(run by Xists) has for 20 years campaigned to bring alternative healing methods under their control thru discrediting alternative therapies. They have been aided in this by most New Age therapists who have pandered to the medical monopoly putting everything in the hands of people whose sole intention is to CRUSH all alternative options. This campaign was piggy-backed onto the barmy Health and Safety laws which restricted even further the availability of innocuous raw materials to people who wanted to treat themselves. Another facet is the state's increasing training of 'Health Professionals' to seize control over what we eat under the guise of protecting the nations health. Gingoistic PR against Binge Drinking, Smoking, etc are the puritanical precursor to a Government Health Id Card which will demand you live and eat the way the 'professionals' tell you to. Those who don't will be banned from free NHS care and make you un-insurable for car, house, accident, (and many other things). Marabas prophecied all of this and lots more in his Secrets of Mind Control(see www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindctrl.htm ). Yes we must of course resist negative changes to the FMA but as Sandygrounds says, it is important that we see what is happening in the bigger picture. Surf the SAFF website ( http://saff.nfshost.com )and join in with their strategies. The SAEF is for general occult methodology, not protest. The SAFF has its own forum ( http://www.pliner.net/appmb2/1c76fb ) and is the place for more advanced networking on censorship / freedom of speech issues. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 23, 2008 at 09:26 AM      
 
It’s hard to comprehend this debate when we realise that any new Fraudulent Mediums Act regulation would be promoted and passed by politicians that largely support the Christian fifth column in Parliament and all the historically bogus and repressive tripe it stands for. Such measures would be joy to the Xtian right that is cross-party and well –funded. They would jump in and use such an act to once again cut into the heart of occultism. The picture is bigger and some need to open their eyes wider. Due to this I am highly suspicious of anyone promoting such measures.
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act, I'm Anonymous again!     posted by denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 03:58 PM      
 
This heated discussion between Puretongue and Anonymous is important because it reflects the two main polarisations of the New Age today. Puretongue is one of many who apparently has had experience of and knows about people who have suffered victimisation and constant unfairness due to the oppression of their beliefs by Xists (Marabas's definition of an Xist is a person who has been indoctrinated with and fully bought into Western Christian cultural mores to the point at which they see every other belief as a danger. Often these people are in positions of influence and make false judgements based not upon secular facts but upon a crippled, fearful dualistic view which has been impressed upon them before they were self-aware). Anonymous on the other hand has apparently never suffered persecution and only knows of those who have at a distance. This makes his expansive, generous, 'subjugate-thine-enemy-with-love' approach far more comfortable than it would be if he was actually at the receiving end of subtle and not so subtle prejudice which is levelled against good people who just happen to believe in something which the Xists don't agree with. I wonder if Anonymous has considered the constant persecution of Scientology from Western governments of all shapes and sizes who use every dirty trick in the book to try to oppress Scientologists. I am not a scientologists and often they can be arrogant assholes but the point is that their's is a good example of how rabid victimisation of a minority can occur. Anonymous either isn't aware of it or prefers to turn a blind eye. Before the British Human Rights Act leaders of Scientology were banned from coming to the U.K. and their claim to be a relgious belief slandered. Now that they have the freedom to expand here Anonymous can watch what happens when the Xist machine goes into top-gear to discredit a belief using the tabloids and complicit media of this country. Watch this space BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Denise W. mediums act     posted by winter_snake User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 10:31 AM
edited on April 18, 2008 at 03:36 PM      
 
Denise could you tell me if the new freud medium's act will affect the good work that the S.A does. Will we see a line gathering of critics and materialist,s scientis seeing this as ther oppotunity to shut you guy's down. Its kind of worrying me.
 
[Infoburst: Don't worry Wintersnake - the Xists have spent 2,000 years trying to stifle and suppress freedom of religious and political thought and as long as only one of us remains free they've lost. Without getting too heavy, Marabas says that it is the duty of every esotericist to exercise his/her rights as often as possible and not be cowed by the verbal restraint, emotional blackmail, political expediency or plain old unadulterated threats from people who are a drag on the evolution of the cosmos. This thread has moved off the possibility of an update to the Fraudulent Mediums Act and into a general discussion on censoring freedom of speech which, as Puretongue has already said, is more appropriate to the SAFF's forum if anyone wants to go into more detail on it there ( http://saff.nfshost.com). M believes there is little chance of a new FMA and so just keep on keeping on. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act, I'm Anonymous again!     posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 08:43 PM      
 
Hello Anonymous
 
I'm sure we're both thick skinned enough to survive the debate. I have not at any point taken any offence and certainly meant none myself.
 
As you say, we've different views. And debate has never really been fostered by everyone agreeing.
 
The late 1980's and early 1990's showed just how easy it is for society to be moved towards a more intolerant and dangerous stance towards minority spirituality. Whilst I accept that most of the scene missed the broad thrust of what was going on at the time, it was, non the less, an extremely dangerous period which is having repercussions right down to this day. If that's paranoia then so be it.
 
I remind people frequently, if they show an interest in the occult scene, of the worst of the persecution that destroyed so many lives because similar, and in some cases, identical psychological manipulation was used to get and keep the ball rolling more recently.
 
As there are large and well funded groups of religious bigots that would like to see us disappear, being aware of the processes that are used is vital for present day, serious occultists.
 
I realise also that this is somewhat off 
Topic, so I'm going to drop this now. The SAFF website is an excellent resource for anyone interested in this area.
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act, I'm Anonymous again!     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 05:06 PM      
 
Hi Puretongue,
 
 
I think that we are both way off beam when it comes to judging each other, and after all, this is an anonymous forum!!
 
We see things from different perspectives. My own stance is that minority interests have to take into account the larger picture. Britain is historically Christian but it is still a very secular society. Britain, for all of its faults, is one of the most tolerant countries in the world, and occultists are not percecuted more than other minorities 'most' of the time. If anyone tries to throw the system then they are going to get some crap from the establishment.Human nature is what it is - it is nothing new, and even Lao Tse advocated that our aim in life should be to become unknown!
 
All religious and political factions get trouble!Surely it is better to remain silent. Why do occultists have to go around bragging about their beliefs, when the majority of the people will never be sympathetic the occult.
 
To return to our debate, I believe that legislation of some kind has to exist to protect people from occult fraud ( because there is a lot of it about, and it does nothing for the reputation of genuine occultists - quite the reverse).Whether the FMA or other, more general anti-fraud measures can be used to counter liar's and scammers is something of an open question! Again, I think it is perspective. I think some of your views are too heavy, even a little paranoid with regard to being victimized.
 
Over all, I feel that a general attitude of goodwill is required and that the only way that this is really possible is through honesty and integrity. Problem is people need to be forced to play by the rules when it comes to things like money, goods and services.
 
A tricky dilemma!
 
I meant no offence and wish you well
 
BB
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 01:39 PM      
 
Interesting - you're way off beam with my occupation by the way.
 
If I were a school teacher I would have to say go back and redo, or at least read the previous posts through again. It would appear from your last post, fo example, that you think the FMA (1951) is new legislation rather than act which is scheduled to be repealed in April.
 
What price a life? Advocating consumer protection whilst implying we shouldn't worry about persecution if we're genuine - cos we won't get caught - and all the time clearly aware that thousands of innocents can suffer and die in a repressive process. But don't worry - they'll be able to get their money back from the end of pier fortune teller?
 
"Today we live in a secular society where no single religion has more rights than another.." So there's no Blasphemy Act? NO Sunday Trading laws? NO guaranteed legislative places for the clergy? No Church Courts? No campaign by other religions to achieve the same legal rights as Christians? Need I go on? Yes, I suppose I must. Try and get somewhere registered as a place of worship under UK legislation if you're anything other than Christian. Or pop along to the family courts and watch despicable ex partners using someone's interest in the occult to prevent them seeing their kids (what, betrayed by a nearest and dearest? Never happen to a mason eh?).
 
"You seem to have no regard for basic rights: that people deserve protection from fraud: that we live in a society where we are entitled to proper justice and if we are pushed on this, to have comsumer rights! " Well it's been said in other posts by people far better informed than me, but apparently it will bear repeating. Fraud has been illegal already. It continues to be illegal today. And no doubt it will be illegal for the foreseeable future. There are lots of laws which have a bearing on consumer rights, which can be used against those you clearly hate,and since you appear to value them more than staying out of prison, I presume you'll be quite happy.
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 06:32 PM      
 
Helllo! It's Anonymous again!
 
If you are talking about a largely phoney occult scene, then your reaction is justifiable. If you are trying to say that private adepts or members of secret magickal fraternities have been persicuted for their beliefs then you are wrong.
 
Rosicrucianism and freemasonry have existed for hundreds of years and its members have not been the victim of the kind of hate you are speaking of ( a little fuss in Nazi Germany, but nothing on a major scale, and certainly nothing on the scale of other groups eg. homosexuals,Jews,Communists etc ).
 
Furthermore, the Christian Church and the monarchy supported astrology and magick for hundreds of years.Think of Bacon,Dee,Kelly and Bishop Grossetest no less!!! Heresy was something else, and for that thousands of clergy went to the stake,not just a few witches!!The inquisition was an attack on anyone, or anything that was a threat to the Church (the ruling elite of the time) not just, or even especially occultists.That is history! Today we live in a secular society where no single religion has more rights than another, so why all the fuss about FMA? It won't be implimented by the Church will it?? It will be used by 'people' to promote fair play in financial transactions. What is it that frighten's you Puretonge? Is your livelihood threatened by such legislation when it is only there to punish con-artists and protect the innocent?
 
If you get ripped on eBay then you want then you want something to be done about it don't you? The same rules, and the protection that this affords, should apply to transactions within the occult ( It is not me being superior about initiates, but rather you in your role as an apologist for every type of charlatan.).Are you saying that we should allow the cheats to get away with fraud? Such a stance is both unethical and flawed in the extreme. Your stance of resignation towards fraudulent activity is alarming because the only people it can benfit are liars and criminals. You seem to have no regard for basic rights: that people deserve protection from fraud: that we live in a society where we are entitled to proper justice and if we are pushed on this, to have comsumer rights!
 
Think on Puretongue because if you think that your beliefs deserve to be identified with NAN, then they will always be frowned upon by the general public as seedy money making scams or at best, an excuse to be lazy and full of BS.
 
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Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 08:55 AM      
 
"the Witchcraft Act had no impact on genuine initiates whatsoever, unless of course they would choose to impress their knowledge onto others!"
 
Or got caught in the act, or accused, or owned a bit of land the authorities fancied, or.. need I go on. And that's just the historical record. Then there was the proposed legislation a few years ago which would have seen involvement in the occult scene facing jail for up to five, yes, count 'em, five years.
 
But let's not take an interest in that. Let's leave it to others to stop this occurring, after all, they'll never catch the clever initiate will they?
 
Anonymous, I looked at your post supporting legislation in this area, wondered what you had in mind, and asked you to clarify. Thanks for doing that. I too strongly dislike many of the ads, and the new age stuff, although I do believe the simple profusion of the new agers in general soften the attitudes of many who would otherwise react to us with hatred. Better to be thought of as someone into NAN than a dangerous child killer eh?
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 06:49 PM      
 
Hello again! yes this is anonymous replying to Puretongue again.
 
My point was I do not have legislation and I am not a politician. Your replies seek to goad me into taking an interest into something which to my mind is periferal. Genuine occultism always survives because it never seeks publicity. the FMA and the Witchcraft Act had no impact on genuine initiates whatsoever, unless of course they would choose to impress their knowledge onto others! now this is a whole different debate if we are talking about the right of free speech because we DO NOT HAVE FREE SPEECH OF ANY KIND AT ALL in the UK. We are as tongue tied as Puretongue because of PC nannies and control freak - men in grey suits! I have no objection to free speech but unless there is a complete change of the ruling elites ( very unlikely ) we are stuck with it!
 
The S.A are correct in asserting that the thread has become misinterpreted. I am a loyal S.A customer, and on the basis of that it is obvious that from my point of view you are at the top of the genuine key to occultism. OTHERS however, and I have a hatred of rubbish like premium rate Tarot and astrology lines, and assorted magical and lucky charms sold in the back of occult scam rags, that I cannot condone a policy that refuses to prosecute.
 
A way forward is to insist that 'physical' esoteric goods may be sold openly i.e you recieve your book or crystal or whatever. Advice of an esoteric nature could be sold under various conditions and the only fair way is if the proposed remedy fails then a full refund is given. That may seem harsh but it would protect all parties - genuine people would receive or pay for what they require but all charlatans would be totally discouraged from ripping people off if by law they are bound to refund all monies to people that have evidence that they have been conned. A complicated issue, but one that I feel can be solved with some careful thought.
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM      
 
Oh dear. So no clear idea in mind as to what the legislation should say in order to discriminate between genuine and charlatan, nor how it could be enforced or administered? And yet you support it anyway?
 
Get on to your higher self (the preserve of you initiates remember) and ask it how the politicians would actually word this law and what the knock on effects would be. Or perhaps you could look at why the FMA came into being and how it has actually been used. You might also want to consider that the SAFF had to mount an all out campaign to prevent a reintroduction of witchcraft laws a few years ago - laws that would have seen genuine and fake alike in jail for up to five years.
 
Finally, it looks as though you have some particular type of legislation in mind ("HOWEVER, since I have been pushed on the point, I am of the belief that such legislation would have more benefit than drawback "), so why not let us into the secret and tell us what you want the authorities to do i.e. show us your draft. If you don't have a draft in mind, what exactly are you offering your support to?
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 AM      
 
The long and the short of it is that THE ONLY CERTAINTY IN LIFE IS DEATH and anyone who pretends to know the Right Way To Live should be shunned as a pestilence. Who therefore has the wisdom and knowledge to judge any other brother? Even a dishevelled one? Unfortunately people with no soul prey on other people all the time. There's plenty of crooks in ordinary life so there's bound to be the odd one or two within the occult. Occultists should be that bit smarter and that bit choosier. In the S.A.'s experience spanning 35 years you can virtually guarantee that crooks pretending to be occultists are weeded out very quickly before they can do real damage to anyone. The gods do not favour them and genuine occultists will not give them space so there is no need to set up a vigilante group to cater for them - that will do more harm than good. Certainly we do not want restrictive legislation to 'rubber-stamp' genuine and non-genuine esoteric interests. As far as megalomanic troublemakers with delusions of grandeur are concerned (i.e. people who are not criminal - just misguided) they fulfil an important function - ultimately it is down to each occultist to become informed as part of their own evolution and if they aren't quick enough to detect a genuine teacher from a pretender then they will soon get up to speed once they realise they've been had. Marabas says that you must give people the freedom to learn and evolve whatever their state of progress is. It is our universal right to make and learn from our own mistakes, The sensible thing to do is to continually PROMOTE THE GENUINE TEACHERS and ensure that beginners get access to open arenas of debate like this forum which don't leave much space for pretenders to hide in. BB Denise W. ENDS
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM
edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 AM      
 
In effect then Marabas says that the Fraudulent Mediums act was simply yet another attack on freedom of belief because, naturally the Xists hoped that it would somehow disadvantage the growth in popularity of spiritism etc.,
Getting rid of it today should make no difference to the way that genuine occultists conduct themselves and offer services. It is MUCH easier for the police to prosecute an ordinary case of fraud than it is to try to do it under the Fraudulent Mediums Act so it was hardly ever used anyway. There are already powerful laws in place (The Misrepresentations Act for one, in Britain) which impinge upon any charlatan offering out bogus esoteric services. It is MUCH easier for the police to use matter-of-fact statutes of this kind than to get involved in spiritual debates over whether someone who sets themselves up as a soothsayer is a fraud or a saint. We would not therefore worry about the repeal of the Fraudulent Mediums Act and we should not confuse that with the very real ongoing attempt to suppress alternative/fringe beliefs of all kinds.
 
However, all this is a completely different thing to the other discussion on this thread about genuine seekers 'policing' the occult to feret out charlatans. We are in full agreement with Richard and Puretongue. It is absolutely essential that the widest possible spectrum of lawful involvement is permitted within the crucible of the occult. The 'window of normality' of Western Occultism is completely alien to Shamanistic Magicians in Asia. The ramifications of classical mysticism are utterly different to the way that pantheists see the world. The very strength of occultism resides in the differences within it. Stand up to throw stones that man who chose his beliefs when he was 20 who has not moved to another paradigm by the time he is 40? SEE PART THREE
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:10 AM      
 
This is an excellent and pertinent thread. M has asked me to include another perspective because it appears that some contributors may be confusing two issues. The Xists will do anything to avoid the implications of the supernatural and their politicians will always try to discredit esotericists as a sacrifice to warn off free-thinkers and ensure conformity of the masses. In this more or less constant state of persecution the rights of occultists AND non-conformist freethinkers are being erroded dramatically in many areas. However it would be very dangerous for the government to insist upon the prosecution of any GENUINE spiritualist or diviner. Genuine in this context means that the person concerned must be able to show that they genuinely and sincerely believe in what they are doing. This is the yardstick which was developed by the SAFF (founded by Marabas - see http://http://saff.nfshost.com ) in their research with the United Nations reportage on Religion and Belief and which is now enshrined in U.N. records. Any police force which tried to prosecute a spiritist, spiritualist, magician or soothsayer based on their beliefs being counterfeit would immediately open up a barrel of worms nationwide because if the sincere beliefs of occultists are suspect on the same basis so must the beliefs of the orthodox religions as well! The Fraudulent Mediums Act was actually a sensible attempt to repeal the Witchcraft Act at a time when scientific materialism was gaining sway. However the old guard Xists insisted on having their puritanical pound of flesh at the time and projected their prejudice into a replacement act which was supposed to protect gullible people from being duped by charlatans (even though there was sufficient 'regular' laws about fraud for the police to prosecute them whether they committed fraud within or without an esoteric framework). SEE PART TWO
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Anonymousreturns User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 08:52 PM      
 
It's Anonymous again! Quite simply (my legislation!)don't confuse me with a politician of any kind and after all it was you who brought up the subject of the FMA. Not me!
 
HOWEVER, since I have been pushed on the point, I am of the belief that such legislation would have more benefit than drawback : it protects people from unscrupulous con-artists who prey on the unfortunate and the incredulous.
 
My guess is that charlatans wish to protect charlatanism for their own non occult money making scams, and if you happen to fall into that catagory then that is your problem! Ultimately, con-artists con themselves into all sorts of misfortune as a consequence of the misfortune that they bring upon others.Cult leaders may con their followers some of the time, but they end up conning themselves all of the time. More to the point, if all these people ever do is lie to their higher self then any contact that they have with it will be percieved as a lie, the result is the worst kind of advice possible rather than the clairvoyance or "powers" that they claim to be the experts of! These things are the preserve of genuine initiates and a very few so called masters.
 
Go and buy yourself a tarot reading or something and learn by your own mistakes.
 
Anonymous through and through
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Richard Abbot User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 01:03 PM      
 
But it seems that's exactly what they are going to do!
"They burning witches - so what's new?" - someone in the excellent graphic novel Promethea
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 11:37 AM      
 
Precisely Richard. Since our anonymous corespondent is so keen on legislation I thought it would be interesting to see what he/she had in mind beyond "something must be done."
 
It seems obvious to me that any legislation, due to its inherent limits, will be incapable of discriminating between the genuine and the exploiter and so will become a form of persecution.
 
But anonymous thinks otherwise? I await his draft legislation with great interest.
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Richard Abbot User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 04:33 PM      
 
Aren't there many paths to truth? Believe me, i absolutely detest NAN, Parking Angels, Cosmic Ordering and all that crap, but how does a law deal with those that peddle rubbish and not effect the SA and those that are genuine? My experience of politicians, who make the laws, is that they will not be able to discriminate between truth and fiction and we will all be tarred with the same brush - one step further toward the burning of witches again? If you perform a working, or do a reading for someone, and they are not happy with the results/information,, under this proposed legislation it is you who will be in trouble, not them for thinking that you had all the answers and could perform miracles. Isn't that a dangerous move? I am still undecided...
 
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Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 04:04 PM      
 
I'd be very interested to see a draft of a workable law that could do this. What did yo have in mind?
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 05, 2008 at 11:36 AM      
 
I still think that the curse of charlatanism is a menace to society.A read through the classifieds of any prediction type magazines is proof that con-artists, the deluded and the criminally insane are at work. The law needs to clearly define what is legitimate business and what is outright fraud.
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 05, 2008 at 08:47 AM      
 
Surely the problem is once they start legislating in this area we'll soon find the law being used for persecution once more?
 
The FMA is redundant and should be repealed as it provides no real protection for the public, yet can be used, as it was in Barnsley some years ago, when real crime (in this case theft) couldn't be proved.
 
Topic     RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 02:17 PM      
 
we all know that the S.A is the only real trustworthy business in the modern occult world. Perhaps there are few people who are getting close to this exceptional standard-but not many!I think that many people in the occult business are creating a real problem that needs to be dealt with. Fraudulent rip off premium rate tarot lines, fake astrologers, fake palmists and tarot readers! Self proclaimed clairvoyants heckling passers by in the street. This must include the growing plethora of self styled non-initiate authors on magick and unripe guru's who in their meglomania set up their own phoney magical orders.
 
Surely there is a need for some kind of protection, for ordinary people,seekers of the path as well as the sanctity of the mysteries themselves???
 
Topic     Fraudulent Mediums Act     posted by Richard Abbot User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 12:02 PM      
 
Hi - i wondered if anyone out there has an opinion on this? Does something need to be done? Is there anything that can be done? Is it irrelevant? Will it only affect New Age Nonsense or are we all under threat? I've been scratching my head about this for a while now, so thoughts from you all are appreciated - Thanks Richard
 
"We would also like to bring you up to date about the proposed Repeal of the Fraudulent Mediums Act. Unless we all make some effort to take control of events the Act will be replaced in part or in its entirety by the Consumer Protection Regulations in April 2008. This will place the onus on the medium, trader in spiritual goods etc to prove that they were not fraudulent. The Fraudulent Mediums Act put the onus on the person complaining to prove that the medium was fraudulent."
 
For details about the law change please go here, although i am sure there will be other links on the web:
http://www.essexspiritguide.co.uk/article.aspx?a=451&p=39
 
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Topic     RE: fumigating clothe's for magical effects     posted by kimball User
posted on April 24, 2010 at 09:30 PM      
 
thank's denise. p.s no word from my local m.p as yet but it will come.
 
Topic     RE: fumigating clothe's for magical effects     posted by Denise W User
posted on April 06, 2010 at 09:18 AM
edited on April 06, 2010 at 09:21 AM      
 
Willowtree is quite correct in that
Magical Oils can be used in most instances for Results Magic or simple spells but for high-magick it is standard traditional procedure to fume parchment talismans, charms, crystal balls, image dolls, and even people during initiations and exorcisms in incense vapours. Marabas teaches that as incense burns its molecular structure builds a 'ladder between planes and acts as an ectoplasm which can transfer and focus magical and spiritual forces. Anything impregnated with the fumes will also contract those forces. This is why it is so important to have an incense or oil which is
 
traditionally 'balanced' and focussed for the result required and why those who leave out the use of incense in rites are often unknowingly denuding their own magical experiments and outcomes. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: fumigating clothe's for magical effects     posted by Willowtree User
posted on April 04, 2010 at 03:40 PM
edited on April 06, 2010 at 09:08 AM      
 
I'm no adept nor am I experienced in such matters but from what I've experienced, personally I would go ahead and use the oil as opposed to the incense. Perhaps place the oil on your CV? I have used the spellkits from Marabas and they have worked for me so I think I would just go ahead and use
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm#P108
 
But that's just my personal opinion - Denise can put you right on this one :-)
 
Topic     fumigating clothe's for magical effects     posted by kimball User
posted on April 03, 2010 at 05:12 PM      
 
I have a magical exsperiment to try out but i want to know if it is viable. I was wondering if bt fumigating a suit or any other piece of clothing with a particlar incense you can inbue that clothing with the power of that incense. for exsample having your suit that you wear for work fumigated with success in business incense.
 
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Further Tarot work. 
 
 
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Topic     RE: Further Tarot work.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM      
 
My personal interpretation of this prose is: "Work Holy One?" (Who)
: What's your viewpoint? A seperate being within the prescence of The Other, names, natures places. One day, you may understand/be...:'Mine-Not Mine.' "Yet unseen only" (You) I cannot give you the unseen, only point at it. Serious tarot uniting; Deity Yoga; (Study) As study of the paths progresses, Yoga, uniting, with one's deity may be enhanced.
The rest: The organs of Lucifer, Who brought Light, are the Sephira and paths of The Tree.When all enegy stations are active, new understanding occurs.
The key of the tarot is in its great potency as a personal tool. To read for others, an occasional thing. It involves diving through,the card,connecting with the client's mind, telepathy ensues in vision form. Do you make the
people you read for,E.G. as a profession, aware that you will be examining their psyches, using telepathy?
 
Topic     RE: Further Tarot work.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 28, 2008 at 03:53 PM      
 
The words are valid on a trance like level of knowledge.
Take the first letter of each word, and read the words.
The point? Meanings concealed within meanings.
 
Topic     RE: Further Tarot work.     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 28, 2008 at 10:16 AM      
 
sorry do not understand reply
 
Topic     Further Tarot work.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 27, 2008 at 05:22 AM      
 
Work Holy One? Yet Only Unseen.
Serious Tarot Uniting; Deity Yoga.
Where, How And That?
The Result Empowers Essential
Organs From
Lucifer If Found Entirely
As New Dimentions
Spiritual Organs
Open New. and so 4th.
 
Topic     Clairvoyance / Tarot going deeper?     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 09:42 AM      
 
hiya
 
I went to a tarot reader in the 80s she was the best I had ever seen. My question is that though she did the cards it is that the actual insights seemed to come from more than the cards, as in names, places, etc. Can the tarot reveal all this or does it connect with clairvoyance away from looking at the tarot. I do not know why but sometimes I get blocked with the tarot, it is like how can the same card mean something different to each person, I know the next card modifies and changes it all but still I get blocked.
 
This lady was in her 70s she looked very much like Madame Blavatsky, had that occult energy with her. I would like to know how does one get to that level of accuracy, is it that someone is born with it, or can it be developed? If so, what is the way to go deeper with this, as in are there magic rituals one can do, or is it through meditation and connecting with spirit, or looking into clairvoyance techniques, just that I was impressed with names, places, in fact everything was so spot on.
 
Also how does one overcome the block of not knowing whether you are right or wrong in what you say, which is why I ask are there other ways to bring forth messages, other than symbols of tarot, or am I missing something.
 
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Topic     RE: Fylfot Stone     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 05:50 AM      
 
If I could find the note I could explain Mouse. I asked if the Fylfot could be used as an aid to astral projection etc. when I ordered.The general gist of the answer was that it could by connecting you to certain powerful energies,If I recall correctly.Maybe one of the staff could answer this better.
 
Topic     RE: Fylfot Stone     posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 08:28 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:09 AM      
 
Hi all, i also have a fylfot stone, and i have used it many times in my practices,and i found it does work,and it is great to take with you to the woods or forests,when practicing natural magic.I have found it usefull in growing herbs and plants.I found that one of my lemon plants was not growing propley,so i placed the fylfot stone next to the plant in the pot,after a few days it looked much better.You may not belive it but its true,and you should try it for yourself.Use your finger and follow it around as directed and place it in the pot,you will be suprised at the results.I have never see the real stone either but the one i have works.Well worth the money.Blessings Chris
 
 
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Topic     RE: Fylfot Stone     posted by Mouse User
posted on January 12, 2008 at 05:49 PM      
 
Hard to say; I have done only one ritual, but early indications are good.
 
Do you mind my asking why you are using it for astral projection? What's the connection between the fylfot and astral projection?
 
Cheers,
 
Mouse
 
Topic     RE: Fylfot Stone     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 12, 2008 at 12:21 AM      
 
I haven`t been to see the original carving, but I do have an S.A. Fylfot stone and have been attempting to use it for astral projection/lucid dreaming.It has been hard to determine wether any success came from use of the Fylfot or the other methods I have been employing.I have also been trying to use it for pain relief/health problems, it really does seem to take the edge off sometimes (maybe it`s just having a placebo effect,but then again maybe not).How about yourself, any noticeable results?
 
Topic     Fylfot Stone     posted by Mouse User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 09:49 PM      
 
My partner gave me a fylfot stone (from the SA) for Yule.
 
Does anyone else have one? If so, have you used it much, and how do you find working with it?
 
Also, has anyone gone to see the original carving, and how easy is it to get to?
 
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Topic     RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming.     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 06, 2008 at 12:07 AM      
 
Some people buy the Galantamine and Choline seperately and mix as they so desire, I am far too lazy and buy the more convenient(but probably more expensive and less effective)pills from the US via the internet.There are atleast a couple of different companies selling them and as I`m not to sure about the rules of this forum I won`t name them.You could google - lucid dream pills or some such thing - just make sure they contain the Galantamine and Choline.
 
Topic     RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 05, 2008 at 11:39 AM      
 
Where do you buy this stuff? Thanks
 
Topic     RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming.     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 11:28 PM      
 
I`m not to sure they have been tested by the US FDA, although I think Galantamine is used to treat Alzheimers.They don`t seem to cause much in the way of side effects for me except greater recall and much more intense dreams so far.
 
Topic     RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming.     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 11:14 PM      
 
Sometimes they improve the experience very strongly, producing dreams upon dreams that go on and on in a very epic way.Sometimes they seem to do little more than improve recall.The dream structure does seem to hold better than usual,not going from dreamscene to dreamscene quite so much,giving a better chance to become lucid.
 
Topic     RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming.     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 03:30 AM      
 
Havn't trid them, but, interseting concept. Could you please describe them a little? like; What area of brain effected? In what way? Have they been tested by the U.S. F.D.A?
Interested.
 
Topic     RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming.     posted by RP User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:24 PM      
 
No I have not tried. How good is it? Does it REALLY improve the experience or just slightly?
 
Topic     Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming.     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:12 PM      
 
Hi, does anyone here use Galantamine and Choline for stimulating lucid dreaming and aiding with recall?
They are available in capsule format (sometimes with Melatonin) from US suppliers, they have worked quite well for me so far, I just wondered if anyone else was experimenting with them.Thanks.
 
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Topic     RE: supernatral experience     posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 08:53 AM      
 
Dear Ethericsoul, having only just found this thread, Dear Brother/sister, you're a natural! 'Sleep paralysis': If you try rocking your lower body, as if on a swing, you could swing out of your flesh suit, and travel The Etheric Plane in your Etheric Soul! Of course, as you're non-plussed currently, Fr,Marabuses and Denises advice is for you, I simply say, you have 'the gift'.
Very Best wishes, and, when ready, Happy travels!!!
 
Topic     RE: Beginners beware of conmen (or women)     posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:48 AM      
 
Oops, sorry wrong section!
 
Topic     Beginners beware of conmen (or women)     posted by JJ User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:45 AM      
 
Hi all, dare I mention the name Kevin Carylon on here Denise? Enough said, no wish to offend the people on this site. Form your own opinion though by going to http://www.occultforums.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=342341#post342341
 
Topic     RE: supernatral experience     posted by Anonymous User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 06:16 PM
edited on April 22, 2008 at 08:35 AM      
 
this thread has moved away from genuine supernatural experiences into amature renditions of the LBRP?
 
[Hi Anonymous, It is in the nature of the dialectic of forums for this to happen. Best thing to do is to contribute a personal supernatural experience of your own to refocuse this thread again - Denise W]
 
Topic     RE: supernatral experience     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 12:05 PM      
 
Since the last message I have Practiced LBRP again with no deletrious effects at all and have done Regardies Middle Pillar Exersise within its boundaries. I have found it very effective in restoring ones equipose and peace and harmony and if one does it after a stressfull day at work one feels restored as if one had not gone to work in all fairness though i did work with OEXP34 for a month prior to that having got rid of the old inapropriate lino floor in my workroom and replacing it with black and white square tile effect laminate which means wherever one stands one is in white a white square or a black square surrounded by its opposite colour cross even so I did have a lucid (just having got into bed dream of levitating and flying around in the room and another of growing and extening up into space which I managed to catch hold of with my will but such are good signs arn't they!)
 
Topic     RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences     posted by Karen User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 08:25 AM      
 
I don't recall experiencing altered consciousness on trains or buses; however, I have had somewhat similar experiences at a former job that involved document coding at a computer all day. Computers can do rather odd things to one's mind; eventually I had to go outside for walks during lunch breaks every day just to stay grounded.
 
I do happen to be clairsentient, and have had encounters with relatives and at least one musician friend after they passed away. I don't want to take up too much space elaborating here; but feeling spirit energy is a fascinating, if sometimes unnerving experience. A bit like a very abrupt rush of adrenaline...
 
Topic     RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences     posted by RP User
posted on March 21, 2008 at 07:57 PM      
 
They look like ordinary photo's to me!!
 
Topic     RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences     posted by Mcparted User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 09:02 PM      
 
Living with Marcia over the years, I saw many of the black shadows etc. almost to many ghostly tales to recount, I took this picture in 2006 about 3.30am on Redcar beach, on a 2 second expoure.
 
Just after I took it I walked down the slpway towards where the spooks/entities "whatever" are clearly visible on the picture and saw nothing.
 
The fact that the shading covers the sea as well as the sand says that something must have been between lens and sea.the other odd thing is that it's been on my site snce 2006, and no one has mentioned it, while the film pics are frequently mentioned
Steve
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.plews/new/New%20beaches/pages/night%20beach%20ahoy%20fisherspooks_jpg.htm
 
Topic     Banishing and encircling rituals     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on March 16, 2008 at 09:39 AM      
 
During my years of interest in magic I have experimented with numerous different banishing and encircling rituals with different kinds of result some seeming negative and others positive(see my response in the the strand on Supernatrual Experiences). I have created this strand because it could be a fertile 
Topic for fruitful discusion in itself as apart from general supernatural experiences.
 
Topic     RE: supernatral experience     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on March 16, 2008 at 09:23 AM      
 
I too have practiced LBRP of the Golden Dawn and yes it does stir things up and cause waking dreams but of cause ones aim in magic is to accelerate ones evolution and the dark things that come to light are probably like limpets that for years have been fastened to the pier of the unconsious but have been brought to consiousness were they can be dealt with. Inevitably magical practices will set things into motion and what has to be dealt with initially may not necesarily be very pleasant nevertheless it is vital to have to deal with these things initially that are manifestations of unconsious complexes that are holding the individual back from magical development. For me magic is about the emancipation of the individual but before we can be free we have to deal with those creatures of terror that enslave us from deep within unconsiously. I had some awful (and yet wonderful) experiences in the first few years as I tried and fumbled away to use magical techniques to fight to liberate myself from what seemed to be depression some experiences being of non human things that would look good in a Dennis Wheatly black magic movie. Since listening to the Marabas Psychic Self Defence Tape I now realise I was probably under psychic attack from factors in the environment such as paranoid and jealous neighbours and the like. The most powerful Banishing Ritual I practiced which seemed to cure that and turned my life around competely was the Aurum Solis Setting of the Wards of Power after doing that consistently starting at an appropriate Astrologically chosen time my confidence increased enormously, the magical space establised by it came to feel intensley and beautifully clean(myself aswell) and after a magical year of some strange and beautiful visionary experiences while working with techniques in this system I was able to move on and achieve things in my life that I could not do before like joining MENSA and going to university to do a degree. Recently, I have worked an entire month with the SA version Rosey Cross Ritual and can attest that it is very effective in calming the astral evironment down and bringing peace and harmony eliminates tension in the atmosphere and cures insomnia. In my case at the end of the analysis at the descent of the column of light a vision of a shield a cross within a circle not rosey red but like the kabbalistic symbol for Earth with quadrants in Citrine Olive Russet and Black. I seem to have had some prophetic dreams before doing this ritual relating to it and this shield (like the back of a GD Pentacle) seems to come into the mind most readilly but does seem to want to dominate everything. It may be better to follow a plan like in Israel Regardie's One Year Manual and ignore the LBRP completely using Rose Cross instead and do the Middle Pillar within this. Despite being a beginner's ritual it is probably quite hard to draw accurate pentegrams and visualise them correctly at first and when you can they tend to burn black bars into a grey background read Aleister Crowleys Diary John St John and discover how he visualised them and also if done right you should see the star of david the sign of the macrocosm above and below you in the column of light that holds you in the circle. I THINK many people overlook this very important but vital final stage as this is the stage that cuts you off from qliphothic or unbalanced elements that are there all the time in the everyday world and calls down positive celestial powers. Kraig describes RcR as a cloaking ritual but remove the GD jargon and it is probably a powerful temple grounding and shielding ritual.
 
Any way encircling rituals and banishing rituals are of great interest and perhaps should not corrupt the strand on supernatrual experiences and deserve a strand for discussion all by themselves.
 
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Topic     RE: supernatral experience     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 10, 2008 at 02:08 AM
edited on March 19, 2008 at 05:47 PM      
 
hi
 
I stopped the LBRP it was attracting a lot of strange things...vivid dreams..sleep paralysis..waking up and just having a fear someone was in my room. I will try Rose Cross Ritual...I have also heard LBRP lights up the astral...but doesn't the Middle Pillar also do the same thing...though you mention Rose Cross...I wonder which one would be best for protecting but also bringing about greater spirit awareness...
 
[Infoburst: Hi Ethericsoul. You are looking down the wrong end of the telescope. From this end you got what you asked for. Initiates aren't surprised when things happen after beginners start practising magical operations and neither should you be. Surely you would be complaining if they didn't! Marabas teaches that the 'problem' if any is simply that when a beginner first opens up their psychic censor there's a whole lot of astral dross whooshing in and out until they gain control and balance. The advice is not to take this too seriously. There is nothing inherently wrong or negative about the Banishing Ritual of the Lesser Pentagram - it is an excellent rite and we wouldn't want to give it unnecessary bad press in this Forum - however if you want a magical exercise to seal up and strengthen your aura (absolutely essential AFTER a magical working of course) then you should download Marabas's Rosy Cross Rite OEXP034 (you can do this instantly right now from www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm - scroll down the page to Rosy Cross Rite. ) BB, Denise W.]
 
Topic     RE: supernatral experience     posted by windymiller User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 07:23 PM      
 
Hi there ethericsoul. With regards to you performing the LBRP and experiencing dark shadows etc, I have read that this sometimes happens with this ritual because although it is, amongst other things a protection rite, it also 'lights' an area and a persons aura up on the astral and entities who normally would'nt bother are then attracted to your area. Have you tried the Rose Cross? I have read that this rite 'cloaks' a person from astral nasties. I've practiced the LBRP a few times (I'm still a beginner) and I have had no strange experiences or feelings...in fact no feelings at all apart from a calmness once the rite is complete. Maybe I'm doing it wrong!?!? This is the trouble when a beginner, ie you don't know if what you are doing is working until something happens!
 
Topic     RE: supernatral experience     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 04:53 AM      
 
hi
 
not long after that took place, say a week. I was walking out with a friend and we both seen a ball of blue light shoot across the floor, same blue light that happened when I seen my mother.
 
I was in a waiting room the other day and seen this ball of gold light but when I looked it disappeared, again to the left. Apparently it is by consciously looking that we come out of the trance or state of mind we were in, so a tip would be to just let it be do not suddenly look. Though when I did this with my mother, it was the ball that was trying to get me to look where it was coming from. The blue ball was moving, whereas the gold light just kind of gently appeared did not move but kind of pulsated once. I have seen a full monk in my room, and as a kid this black figure stood at the bottom of my bed, it was not the monk as that appeared when I was getting to age of 20. This black figure was more menacing ...in black suit. I did once when I was in Devon see this scruffy guy run from one side of the room to the other, it was there like a physical but also like a shadow. And when I started doing LBRP I attracted what I can only describe as balls of black shadow but sometimes like at the corner of my vision black shadow people. My mother passed on Valentine's Day in the early 90's and this year 2008 on that day I was awoke by the strong smell of rose oil...but also like a smell of death..I used to work in a morgue...so I can only assume it was my mother making her self known to me again.
 
I have also had the being pulled out of bed by something as well..that was scary. I live close to a railway track, but also a cemetary...' I have this large Native Indian picture on my wall in bedroom and as I am awaking in middle of night I am drawn to this and for some reason the Indian is not there but I see images, I think it is more out of the shape of the Indian but these images are clear and vivid not moving but like scenes. When you see auras just be still try and raise your mind to pure spiritual thoughts, try doing breathing like kundalini...and dont snap into a conscious state be more in a deeper level but still aware. I did this once and seen spirit walking next to or within the person's aura, though they were walking by a large lake it was very clear but like etheric I think the water added to me seeing them because the water of the lake was in the background of the person behind them as they walked by. In my other post I asked about ways to develop this sight or ability..by mediumship tips but also occult tips or rituals...' One strange thing that did happen to me...I was going to stay in Devon and before I went I was walking through this alleyway, and this tramp came towards me with a bottle of drink in his hand, he said don't end up like me. When I looked around he was gone. I came home from Devon because the people I went to stay with were all heavy drinkers and so I wonder about what happened. Was it a full physical materialisation....'
 
Topic     RE: supernatral experience     posted by RP User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 12:57 AM      
 
Hi ethericsoul,
 
Thank you for sharing your experience. It is a relief to know that I am not alone in experiencing these powerful materialisations. Some people have said to me before that an intense blue light accompanies the experience. Although I see aura's and often sphere's of light, nothing ever pops out of them - so to speak - into tangiable form - such as we are speaking of here. The train experiences, that I mentioned earlier in this thread, were full materialisations but were not accompanied by the light as you put it - perhaps they were before I encounted the spirits concerned? I have many photo's that clearly show me surrounded by spirits, but none of them materialized at the time when the photo's were taken. I do connect with your experience which sounds every bit as genuine as mine.
 
Have you had similar experience since?
 
Best
 
RP
 
Topic     RE: supernatral experience     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 11:58 PM      
 
hi
 
My mother fully materialised about five hours after she was cremated. At first I was just sat with no TV just looking into space in front of me, as everyone had gone and I was on my own. Then a ball of ultra blue light came from the left to being in front of me. I never took much notice, until the 3rd or 4th time I thought what is that, and then when I looked where it was coming from a cloud of blue and purple light appeared, a swirling of energy and my mother fully materialised.
 
I was in a kind of startled emotion, it was strong, and so I just got up and said "I am not ready for this" and went to a relatives. Looking back I wish I had not done that, but it was powerful energy...'
 
Topic     RE: supernatral experience     posted by RP User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 06:19 PM      
 
Hi Vitriol,
Electricity and / or friction is possibly a real part of these phenomena. I remember how in my experiences - described earlier - that screeches and sparks of metal on metal ( wheels on track ) could have provided some energy that could be tapped and chanelled in ways condusive to creating materialisations. When we think about the London Underground with all those miles of electrical cables, the lighting, the friction of the wheels on the tracks; much of which will be coarsing beneath the old graveyards and the remains of the dead ( It would be enough to wake the dead!! Haha!).
 
All of this is just conjecture of course. Perhaps trains are simply convenient places for materializations, especially as they involve a coming from and going to situation! Yet somehow, intuitively I feel that there is a strong pseudo scientific / occult connection and explanation! I think that a lot of experimentation could take place along the lines ( excuse pun! ) of what we are discussing here. Sometimes what you are looking for is directly in front of your nose; one misses the truths one seeks, ever looking for more exotic and fanciful explanations.
 
I wonder if miners have similar tales to tell? just a thought!
 
Best
 
RP
 
Topic     RE: supernatral exsperience     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L. User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 05:52 PM      
 
Yes it is amazing how all these experiences seem to have the railway line connection! I wasn't even conscious that they all had a railway connection until suddenly! eurika! there it was plain an clear! One thing that is interesting though is the dark spectre moving around the inner perimetre of the work place caused the lights to go off and on as it passed by which seems to imply that its manifestation somehow requires or it feeds on a lot of electrons and modern railway lines have overhead power cables which must be a powerful source of energy. Also the Smurl family haunting case in America who were perstered by a dark manifestation sufferred astronomical electicity bills which they could not account for.
 
Topic     RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 05:32 PM      
 
Thank you for that Denise! I do not have that tape yet but will acquire it soon. I have found that a number of situations will put me into that reverie state that Marabas writes about. I have sliped into it whilst watching films and when listening to classical music in which it seems to work better with lesser known rather than great composers. Whilst watching Pirates of The Carribean I had a vision of the full moon and visions of pirates ships and the sea of a very surley nature which were entirely different and unique compared with what was going on the screen itself and Ferdinand Ries Piano concerto no 1 in C major precipitated what seemed to be a vision of the composer followed by a walking down the street life like view of what seemed to be a street in early 19th century Vienna. If I get into a relaxed state these days I tend to get very many experiences like this. The ones brought on by incense after a ritual tend to be specific to the purpose of the ritual. It follows that correct focus and correspondences in accordance with this state should open up the vistas of power intended all one needs is the time and patience as well as the will power to apply it.
 
Topic     RE: supernatral exsperience     posted by RP User
posted on February 23, 2008 at 07:43 PM      
 
Hey thanks for this intersting story. As you know my own tale did not involve the sort of dark figure that you mention Vitriol. However,what you say is very interesting because I have long held the belief, because my direct experience, that we are not talking entirely in terms of ASC but that indeed actual materialisation can and does occurr. The fact that you say that the CCTV footage evidences the appearance of the figure you mention is fantastic.
 
It may seem really bizarre to some of our readers but trains (I have not had paranormal bus experiences) really do seem to be very attractive environments to those who wish to communicate with us from the other side. In my case on several occasions, as if those departed were still living. Very strangely and years after my first encounter on that train between Istanbul and Athens ( 1988 ) and subsequently to meeting my partners deceased father, Edinburgh to Lincoln ( 2001 ) I saw a documentary on TV about the London Underground. It's supposed to be the most haunted place in the world - it is of course a network of underground trains that constantly drive through the graveyards all around, past and present. Furthermore, CCTV footage had been obtained of some of the apparitions but this was not used in the programme - probably because it would have been considered just too scary for general consumption!
 
Please do contribute more - anyone - if you have had similar experiences because this thread is really moving towards understanding the nature of these and similar phenomenon.
 
Thanks Denese and SA generally for hosting this forum. It is bound to draw the more serious, curious and studious amongst us.
 
Topic     RE: supernatral exsperience     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 23, 2008 at 04:50 PM      
 
Dark Spectres of that kind seem to be quite common; i have heard numerous stories from people experiencing them. My own experience happened about 20 years ago. I had caught the night bus 14 home having been at a night club and whilst walking up Albert Road at about 2:30 am the railway bridge was in view and I was walking towards it all alone. Going under the bridge the road goes up a slope and from the part of the road underneath the bridge I saw a small black moving rectangular shape appear which coming towards me out of the sloping road becoming larger and larger until it was a full black hooded shadowy faceless form. It was totally nonchalant and disinterested in me and all it appeared to do was to turn left into some waste ground by the side of the railway track and I was totally bewildered by the experience. The experience of a manifestation I find is always alot less scarry than the idea of one.
 
At my current workplace which is on the Washwood Heath Road the security men have told me that they have caught such an entity on CCTV and have the tape. The place is security locked and nobody is in there at about 12.30am but the cameras picked up the image of something of that kind walking around the inside perimeter of the building causing the lights to go on and of as it went past them. Interestingly the building is several miles up the very same railway line and the railway line to Coventry goes right past the building so perhaps there is somehow a connection between railway lines and this type of entity.
 
In disgusing the same 
Topic a black lady called Sue who used to work with me told me of an incident where her nephew; a formidable black youth suddenly started yelling and shouting get out of my room complaing that there was a black figure in his bedroom. I myself have never encountered such a thing at home.
 
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Topic     RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences     posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 19, 2008 at 11:41 AM
edited on April 14, 2008 at 10:53 AM      
 
Hi all, great thread. Marabas teaches that falling into Altered States of Consciousness on a train or bus is a regular phenomenon and not surprising, particularly on a train where images flash past at a constant rate backed up by the clickety clack of the tracks so that the visual and auditory centres of the brain are closely entrained, often into Alpha rythm. Like all initiates Marabas knows the importance of the frequency or vibration of thought. Many years ago he arranged the S.A.'s Psychotronic Sound Tape which is a powerful collection of sonic and sub-sonic waveforms of the most useful type to occultists which can be either played straight out of the box or looped to provide frequencies to bring on/develop Astral Projection, clairvoyance, trance etc. [type www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm into your browsers's location window and scroll down the page for more information on the Psychotronic Sound Tape]. Of course the key thing is what one DOES with the ASC achieved. If one does not focus it under will then all manner of psychic phenomena will randomly occur depending upon a wide spectrum of possibilities linked to, say, discarnate entities who may have wanted to make contact with you for some while past, to the flailings of the unconscious mind, thru a breakthrough linked to recent magical workings. I think the debate about the difference between etheric and dream time is a misdirection. Physical reality is only more real to us than other dimensions because it is where consciousness functions most. In fact ALL states or ASC are as valid therefore it is not necessary to posit one as being more real than another. Nothing happens by chance - everything has portent. BB Denise W.
 
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Topic     supernatral exsperience     posted by kimball User
posted on February 18, 2008 at 02:34 PM      
 
Iv had a lot of small supernatral momment's but the one that top it for me was seeing my thirst shadow man or shadow like entity. I was not scared but a banishing rite was in order i felt.
 
Topic     RE: Supernatural Experiences Whilst Travelling     posted by RP User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 06:44 PM      
 
Thank you, and I see where you are coming from. Most of our books on magick and spiritualism have conditioned us into believing that it 'must' be a vision or a dream and not much is said about ethereal experiences, because perhaps it makes us feel a little uncomfortable!?
 
However, as amazing as this sounds I really did meet him in all of his (what would be have to be considered) 'physical' glory even though he was several months dead after a terrible accident.I went to his funeral and buriel and I kind of thought well that's it then!
 
It was only after the encounter, which incidentally took place on a train travelling between Turkey and Greece in August 1988, that it dawned upon me that it had to happen! When we were in 6th form together we had a silly boyish dream of joining the Foriegn Legion together.In one of our conversations he grabbed hold of my hand and said ( and I will never forget it!) " The first to die comes back to see the other!!" I was so shocked by this that I tried to pull my hand away and I would not sware it with him.But he insisted and refused to let go of my hand even when I said " I don't want to sware this because I know that it will not be me that goes first!" ( somehow I just knew it! ) He insisted that we sware it and so we did. In other words, we had made a tryst that could not be broken - and thus it came to pass that he probably had no choice but to return to see me in the astonishing way that he did.He was not alone either, there was a guide, a most beautiful and dainty woman!
 
I leave you to ponder with that for a while. Have a Great New Year.
 
Off down the pub.
 
Topic     RE: Supernatural Experiences Whilst Travelling     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 05:26 PM      
 
Well it was hardly a whispy ghosty at the time I experienced her but very plain and clear what failed come through in the original reply is that she actually banged on the window very audibly and strong next to where I was sitting so when I looked at her I could see her face very plain and clearly like any ordinary person that is why I say that it was like an etheric vision because those I understand are the strong ones in which one is transported to another dimension and things seem as plain and as clear as in this one.
 
Anyway as a person interested in Magick I have kept dream diaries and in 1996 I had a six months experience of meeting and talking to a person in dreams who I had known and worked with but had very quickly developed lung cancer of the highly malignant oat cell kind and had died within the space of six months to that. I kept on seeing him in subsequent dreams which were often in party settings of the kind had by the people I worked for. For personal reasons I had ceased to work for them but I still attended the funeral of this well known local man of the people. The settings where like at a party in the pub sharing a drink together and he knew exactly why I had left but encouraged me to come out and work for them again (which incidently I did not). I even said to him 'You do realise you are dead don,t you and that you need to move forward, move on ! but then he would look extreemly hurt and would come back in further dreams on subsequent nights. From six months after his death I never had any reoccurance of meeting him in the dreams. After a six months it was the local political elections in which he would have been re-elected had he lived.
 
I have never met someone on the physical plane in the way you describe although I had an encounter with something of a non human kind in that way 12 years ago during a bad time which I now realise since listening to Frater Marabas tape on Psychic Self Defence was probably part of psychic attach but I did not realise it at the time as I struggled with what seemed to be depression. What I will say however is an etheric experience is so real that it can seem that you are actually on the physical plane when you experience it as with me and the girl and perhaps this is what happened to you and your deceased friend. Indeed if it was important for them to communicate with you it would much more likely be in this way as they are now longer physical beings but don't underestimate an etheric experience it is far differnet from an astral vision it is just as if you are actually there.
 
If the dead want to talk to you it seems much easier and more likely that they would communicate to you in dreams as in my own example which I described above.
 
Topic     RE: Supernatural Experiences Whilst Travelling     posted by RP User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 01:48 PM      
 
Nice to have some feedback and your story. It is a relief to know that I am not alone in having had full on encounters with the deceased. Although I have been of the opinion that we all have these experiences but that if we are not switched on to it, we do not recognise them when they happen ie the strange but nice telephone call (wrong number), the stranger asking for directions (you sort of recognise him but you feel silly making mention of it "You look just like my Gandpa!!") and the list could go on and on.
 
Has anyone else had real and direct walking talking experiences with the deceased - not as whispy ghosties, but as REAL people as you once knew them when they were living?
 
Topic     Supernatural Experiences Whilst Travelling     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 20, 2007 at 11:09 AM      
 
That Is interesting because I too have had some strange and interesting visions whilst travelling at speed on buses which I try to note down when I get them but on one occasion I had a an experience of the etheric kind in which I seemed to witness a ghost of a young girl of about 14 whilst travelling to work on a 97 the experience happened in the November of 2006 and I had experienced a number of visions on successive days whilst traveling from the Heath Mill lane in Deritend to Selfridges in the City Centre (as follows): the bus was travelling from the Moat house Lane to Selfridges which involves the bus turing two corners I suddenly became aware of this young brunnette dressed in what seemed to be a white nightdress sitting in the single seat behind where the driver sits. When the bus stopped outside Selfridges and opened its doors she ran off the bus quickly round to the window where I was sitting I saw what appeared to be a very goodlooking 14 year old girl but then I clicked into normal consciousness and realised that the whole thing had been witnessed on the astral counterpart of the bus and that I had experienced a random supernatrual experience probably brought on by occult psychospiritual excersises but the whole thing seemed to suggest that it was a local ghost that wished me to be aware of its presence in the area. I have found that the turning of corners in a relaxed state often stimulates visions. Is this because corners are interfaces between one direction and another and interfaces are known to be magically very potent. The event seemed random and didn't carry a lot of meaning for me but it was interesting and intense.
 
Topic     Genuine Supernatural Experiences     posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 07:31 PM      
 
I would like to start a new thread about paranormal experiences.I hope that postings can uncover a few simularities and that a discussion can begin.
 
Rather than write at length, I will begin by making a statement which may stimulate some interest? I am prepared to say that I have had many paranormal experiences while travelling by train. Further still, I assert that I had a direct paranormal encounter/experience with a friend who had tragically passed over at the age of only 20.The experience lasted a number of hours and he was as real as if he were living!
 
Now these things can - and do - happen anywhere (?) but so often these and similar things have occured on a train!
 
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Topic     RE: getting rid of old talismans     posted by JK User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 11:59 AM      
 
I made a mistake in my last posting. It is either
Chinese wash or river water with ROCK salt
according to Marabas's instructions.-JK
 
Topic     RE: getting rid of old talismans     posted by kimball User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 09:47 PM      
 
thanks for the advice. sadly i cant since most of the front of the talismans has rip off. how ever i will be buying replasments. One of them save my life so a worthwhile investment.
 
Topic     RE: getting rid of old talismans     posted by JK User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 08:33 PM      
 
Hi Kimball,
 
As far as I can remember these talismans come with instructions
detailing how to depersonalise them using either Chinese wash
from the SA or a mixture of river water and sea salt. I suppose
you could cleanse them with such a solution in a ritual manner
to be sure.
 
How did your Talismans work for you ? Couldn't you re-laminate them ?
 
JK
 
Topic     getting rid of old talismans     posted by kimball User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 02:33 PM      
 
Does any one know how to bury throw away old talismans with out having a negative effect apone the user. since ive been using marabas's talisman set some of them are starting to fall apart due to me wearing them everywear. please could anyone advise
 
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Topic     Ghosts/Spirits     posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM      
 
Mark,
This could apply to the thread elsewhere on the forum about Ouija
boards. A small group of friends and I were using the ouija on
every Friday night some time back and communications varied but
sometimes were very clear and strong. One night, getting up to
put the lights on I looked over my shoulder for a split second I
saw a shadowy figure and glimpsed his face standing behind where
I'd been sitting. You never forget those things. Scary but made me
smile !
Best, Alan.
 
Topic     Ghosts/Spirits     posted by Mark User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 06:44 AM      
 
Has anyone else here ever seen a ghost, spirit or other manifested being, especially very solid, real and verified by another person ? This has happened to me twice although many years back now. On one occasion I and a friend both saw from outdoors a very solid looking human (old man, clothed) looking out of an upstairs window of my home...we thought a drunk or senile person had gotten in and went to find him: no trace. This was in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon. Second experience was far more dramatic, some years later walking my dog with a friend through local woods/country park we took a lesser travelled shortcut, this was at sundown in late summer and inside this area it was pretty dark: a very tall shrouded figure of glowing light, fading from chest down appeared from about 100 feet away and shot past us at great speed, about 10 feet from us. Can anyone tell me what these kinds of spirits these
were, and are they conscious/live beings ?
 
Love to hear your opinions/stories, Thanks, Mark.
 
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Topic     RE: Pentagam workings.     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 10:34 PM
edited on August 14, 2008 at 04:05 PM      
 
Thanks Nome that was a great compliment. Pete Carrolls Gnostic Pentergram Ritual is in his book
 
Liber Kaos available from the S.A. Nice one for the Right hand tip.
 
Ricenpeas
 
P.S. LBRP, my mistake.
 
Topic     RE: Pentagam workings.     posted by nome User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 09:10 PM      
 
Hi again, I saib 'brlp' you say 'lbr'; much better term.
The right hemisphere of the brain controls the left of the body, and vice versa. The right-brain is imaginative, artistic, poetic, intuitive, the place where ones magickal self resides, working through the left side of body. The logical side of the brain controls the right side of body, the currently dominant brain hemisphere; hence, greater strength in your right hand.
Serenity, One-All. nome
 
Topic     Pentagam workings.     posted by nome. User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 08:53 PM      
 
Hi, Rice'n'peas, nice.
I've watched your meteoric ascent with facination; the fastest I've ever seen, and I honestly can't disagree with any of your comments.
It seems, to My mind, that you are a prominent contributer, here, beginners will listen to you. You're obviously conversant with S.A. teaching as matters stand today. If I were a newby, I'd wonder "Who's Pete? How do I contact him, to buy this priceless knowledge?" Might I politely point this out, that you may direct the questioner to the right place? I love your 'Lion of a man' comment. Brilliant!
Yes, BRlP does what you say, a good solid basis for all Ritual; your choice now, suits YOU now. You explain Magickal matters well: Wise. I'll be busy in a retreat. Able to comment if needed. I wonder how far you'll have gone in a couple of months? Hmmm!?!? Hope All goes well for you, in All aspects. Sent with sincere, Very best wishies; nome.
 
Topic     RE: Pentagram Rituals.     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 02:02 PM      
 
I am in a better position to try and answer this now Nome as Ive done it a few times. Pete has cut and paste the middle pillar with banishing ritual. As always he gives the bones and leaves the fleshing out to the opperator. The vowels are vibrated to increase focus. Im still unsure why it leads with the left but i did find it took more conscentration as i am right handed.
Given the chance again i would learn 1 banishing ritual and then move on to the next but here we are. Moreover I would learn the LBR first as it has everything contained to link the micro/macro. The GPR needs alot of filling and as a Novice that can just cause confusion. I dont reject the GPR in any way, infact I think it has a lot to yeald, but to be honest, if my diary would let me, i would stick to the LBR for now.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Im Ok     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM      
 
Cheers for that but i m sorted. LBRP in the morning GPR in the evening . You can type "Gnostic Pentagram Ritual" in to google if you like.
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Pentagram Rituals.     posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 09:44 AM      
 
Hiya Rice'n'peas, you're all over the shop of late. What, pray tell, is The Gnostic Pentagram Ritual?
 
Topic     Gnostic Pentergram Ritual     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 02:29 PM      
 
I recently began practicing Regardies LBRP and M.s Ring Not Pass and i am having some great results. Looking up Pete Carrolls GBR I find a different style of banishing ritual and I am eager to incorporate this into my practices. What are the advantages/disadvantages to practicing both forms of BR.
Cheers
 
Rice n Peas
 
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Topic     RE: luck9     posted by New but niave? User
posted on October 29, 2008 at 11:00 AM
edited on October 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM      
 
Are gods and planets one and the same? ie, mars is a god and a planet so when we refer to a god is it the planet we are referring to also?
 
 
[Infoburst: This is a tricky one and does not really connect with the gist of this thread which is about the existence of a Cosmic Plan or Intelligence called god. Your enquiry is about how the godforce manifests. This is complex. We don't have space here to extrapolate fully but let's try. Marabas teaches that 'god' is a convenient name for a vibrational force complex which can be represented in many different ways (symbols, images, sounds, colours, etc all of which are corresponded attributes of the force-complex) These vibrations exist around us all the time causing the various phenomena we think of as 'reality' but we become sensitive to them and can focus them using magic. Thus the classical image of Mars designed by the romans captures the warrior-like forces of the god and his ray or vibrational current is manifested through the red planet, in spilled blood (red life force), iron (red iron ore for weapons), Red Dawns, Red Mist Anger (Bezerkers) etc. etc. etc. To understand more of this and learn how to focus the gods in magic
you should read Marabas's Candle Magick Spellbook here - it will astonish you and open up doors you never thought possible. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: luck9     posted by Scott User
posted on October 28, 2008 at 02:41 PM
edited on October 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM      
 
Er...
Which God are you on about?
 
 
[Infoburst: Precisely.... BB Denise W]
 
Topic     luck9     posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 23, 2008 at 11:07 AM
edited on October 27, 2008 at 04:44 PM      
 
...don't think it matters whether God is him/her, the Divine encompasses both and all that is good. God may be called upon in need and it is upon this Higher Intelligence we all depend even for our breath. I say "Higher" intelligence because it is outside of us......the things that happen are decided "above", before thay ere manifested "below"..........it is all seeing, all wise, in a way that ordinary human beings are not...........
 
 
[Infoburst: Well God would have to be BOTH mail and female wouldn't heshe? But if you are so certain that 'god' would be 'higher' why is there so much in life that is patently evil. I am not here talking of cosmic evil - just plain old human evil taking place as we write. Is that a 'higher' plan of the god you speak of or what? You can say that God IS breath (that is, the giver of life-force) but is it? Space scientists recently found life which was not dependent on breath as we know it so your statement begs a further definition of what you mean by breath and whether it is the crucial thing you think it is? Why must we call upon a god if we want to be magnanimous? BB Denise W.]
 
Topic     RE: God     posted by luck9 User
posted on October 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
edited on October 20, 2008 at 01:41 PM      
 
...of course God exists. Ever read the Bible/Quran etc?
 
Most intelligent people these days recognise that there is a Divine Being, a Higher Intelligence/ life force........to say there is no creative intelligence higher than us is ludicrous.
 
 
[Infoburst: Your opinion is only of partial value Luck9 we want the facts - how do you define Creative Intelligence and why must it be Higher than us. What would you think if God turned out to be a Her not a Him. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     God     posted by Newbie User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 10:28 PM      
 
Does God really exist ? If he does nt Ill be really upset.
 
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Topic     RE: Goetic Spirits     posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 07, 2008 at 04:24 AM      
 
The rule of the g. is: Bring food, or be food. Your armchair inadvertant summoning suggests
 
Topic     RE: Goetic Spirits     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on April 28, 2008 at 10:26 AM      
 
I am suprised that nobody has noticed this error of mine! Although the spirits would fit nicely into five degree quintenances and thefore would in that case fall nicely under the domains of the angels of the schemhamphorash the actual classification of these in Liber 777 are as 36 each night and day demons under the decans of the zodiac my appologies for the misinformation!
 
Topic     RE: Goetic Spirits     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:53 AM      
 
Fulofmanflu, now then; then now! you are a very naughty old witch.
" ooh no guv, i never done it"
Such an innocent! But,... what if yor slithering was observed with amusement! Just for you, a foe,gor!
Spiral bandage, to cone on head? Just for you? A 900 yr. old demon>? Blessed be you. Now,
 
Topic     RE: Goetic Spirits     posted by fullofmanflu User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 11:45 AM      
 
Hi V.I.T.R.I.O.L. Point taken that because 2 entities share similar ish sounding names then it does not automatically follow that they must in fact be the same entity. I am not sure that the people who's theory this is have based their assumption solely on the fact that 2 entities names sound similar though! I would like to say this is not my personal opinion about the spirits but is merely one of the theories that I read in many books. I do agree with you though when you say that a persons state of mind is a factor when evoking these beings. Also I strongly agree that the manner in which they are treated plays a significant part. A few years ago I did experiment with seals of a couple of the Spirits that I made and consecrated myself and used in much the same way as the S.A's Universal Talisman Kit but that is as far as my practical knowledge of the Goetia goes-I have not yet evoked any spirit (Angelic, Elemental or whatever) because I am very much on the early steps of my path and still learning the basic skills and techniques that are required for ANY type of working. Having said all that though, the Goetia is a fascinating document and whether it is as old as Solomon or Medieval in origin is another point of debate. Or more probably it is a document that contains information dating back to Solomon but has been 'messed' around with by medieval scholars-hence the introduction of an almost feudal heirachy system, etc. I'm not sure but it would be good to have other peoples thoughts on this document and the Spitits therein.
 
Topic     RE: Goetic Spirits     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 06:22 PM
edited on January 09, 2008 at 04:03 PM      
 
Personally I dislike the word demon when used to describe spiritual beings. The early Christians where apt do demonise all gods but their own. Best to see spiritual beings as powers or forces whether they are harmful or benefical depends on the state of mind of the operater and understanding of how to approach them correctly and for the right reasons. The Goetia is interesting and comes from the Lemegeton or lesser key of King Solomon The KIng. It presents 72 spirits each given rulership over each of the quintenences That is 5 degree divisions of the zodiac: see Aleister Crowley's Book 777.[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on Liber 777 and The Key of Solomon, highlight, copy and paste the following link into your browser's Location window-
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/books1.htm ] A small number of the spirits Bael Amon Astaroth for instance have some phonetic resemblance to gods of the ancient world. This is all! It is however phonetic resemblance as the character of these divinites of high state gods and their images are totally different from those of the spirits and there natural provenances much much greater. I have not got to the stage yet were I would feel confident about experimenting with these beings. If I were to I would study the Shemhamphorash as this yeilds the names of 72 angels that I imagine would form part of the invokation before evoking these beings. There is a splendid little candle magic kit done by Llewellyn giving cards and sigils as well as a system of divination based on them by Pricilla Schwie and Aleister Crowley's Illustrated Goetia the latter of which I got from the SA A few years ago.
 
Topic     RE: Goetia     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 11:27 PM      
 
Hi 'Fulofmanflu', I'm glad you found my viewpoint interesting, and I thank the fates you're so sensible about this. It's a two way street, your unique viewpoint shows me another aspect of life. I was aware of some, though not all of the entities mentioned. I am now...
Hopefully, some other writers will contribute different viewpoints.
I, also will ponder.
Thankyou.
 
Topic     RE: Goetia     posted by fullofmanflu User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 08:48 PM      
 
Hi Red Dragon, thanks for your comments-much appreciated. I would like to say that I have NO desire to attempt a Goetic operation at this stage or even to attempt ANY kind of evocation (either to the astral or physical)-these kinds of operations are for a far far more advanced student than myself! I am aware of the information regarding the Goetic spirits as being 'Fallen Angels' and that some of them do wish to return to heaven in a few thousand years but, as I am sure you are aware, there is other information that claims that many of the spirits are in fact earlier Gods/Godesses, eg BAEL is claimed to be a form of the Caananite God BAAL, ASTAROTH is claimed to be a form of the Caananite Godess ASTARTE and so on. As to these entities being 'friendly', then there is a lot of information that clearly states that a person is taking his/her life into their own hands when performing an operation....however there is equal information from people who regularly perform Goetic evocations and they talk of SOME of these spirits being quite friendly-MARBAS, VASAGOO and BAEL for example. I am pondering on this. You are obviously an advanced practitioner Red Dragon and I thank you for your time and your comments. These are the kind of remarks and comments I was hoping for. Thank you.
 
Topic     Goetia     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 06:31 PM      
 
Dear fellow Aspirant; Wow! I'm a Thelemite, our rule is to help fellow aspirants, if able. As you're not a Thelemite, I could wriggle out of it, but I've known a lot of'demons.' So let's get this straight:You can treat these phenomena as purely subjective, parts of your mind, whatever suits. I must say there are many varieties of demon, Your reference to them being 'old Gods' is probably due to the historical repetition: The conquering race/religion declares the god of the conquered to be 'the devil', e.g. The Christians portrayed the goat legged horned God of ancient Britain as 'the devil.'(as a Thelemite, I don't believe in the devil, but am aware of demons.) As You evolve, you will naturally confront many demons, they, together with your subconcious 'hang ups' must be dealt with before magick proper can begin. Thereafter, each time you attain unto a new height, meeting an Angel, or God, you will have to deal with the opposite thereof, the demon; Power cannot be destroyed, only transmuted, I leave you to ponder on that. You personal demons are like a bunch of wild animals, train them. As you look 'up' to your idea of God, so they, your demons, should consider you their 'god', and afford respect accordingly; train them, they will bear you well. A vast subject, when exploring the Empyrean (Astral realms) you will come across 'qlippothic'(hell type)entities called shells. They are the cast off lower levels of mans nature,the base, vile parts of humanity,sort of automotans, which have a small amount of spiritual consciousness left. An entirely different type of demon is the goetic demon; they are the result of 'The Fall' they have been around for a long time, and are not stupid, some hope to be reinstated in Heaven, after, say, 1200 yrs. Each controls many thousands of evil spirits.-- When a noted, much honoured Thelemite was considering evoking the goetia, He wrote to his Guru, Her reply was "For Heavans sake, NO!" probably having witnessed many more total disasters than successful workings. You are a beginner, hence my long attempt to explain the basics;hopefully others will add comments. Finally, you talk of them being freinds. As an Adept starts His/Her career, they aspire unto God, invoking Him with trembling. With progress, 'Thy will be done,' ultimately becomes, 'My will be done;' A high adept may be friends with the Gods, as He will with certain demons, but this is a high Adept we're considering. Perhaps, as a beginner, you might like to consider good/evil; demons are evil. You will meet them, in good time. I hope these vague ramblings are of some value to you, concerning a vital part of one's spiritual endeavour/health. Love and light.
 
Topic     Goetic Spirits     posted by fullofmanflu User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 09:37 AM      
 
I would be interested to hear from people with experience of working the Goetia. I am on the very early footsteps of my path and so have no experience what so ever of Goetic Spirits (and am not likely to for a long time yet!) but my studies have led me to conclude that the old tales of demonic forces is, at best, an exageration, at least in some cases. I am inclined to believe that the spirits are the Gods and entities of other earlier cultures, once again, at least in some cases. In an earlier post on a different 
Topic on this forum, a writer (I forget who) said that he thought of some of these spirits as his friends and this seems to be a re-curring theme in a lot of the material that I have read, ie that many (but perhaps not all??) of the Goetic Spirits are in fact very friendly. I would be interested to hear from people who have experience of the Goetia and the various Spirits therein, with perhaps some light shedding comments.
 
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Topic     Golden Dawn/Hermetic Tarot     posted by Arthur User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 04:32 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:51 PM      
 
Greetings to All,
 
Can anyone recommend or comment on which Tarot closest corresponds to the
Golden Dawn's orignal card descriptions and whether these are followed by
the Hermetic deck (black and white) by G.Dowson or the Golden Dawn deck by
R.Wang, I think both are out of print. Are these divinatory decks or intended
for meditation ?
 
Thank You,
 
Arthur.
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi Arthur, Both packs are indeed out of print at the moment. The Geoffrey Dowson Golden Dawn tarot was the first and it was a limited edition. It was notable for being published privately in the U.K. and in black and white line (the author said that the GD insisted that the cards had to be hand coloured). The Robert Wang Golden Dawn tarot was a professional full-colour deck which came out a few years later and was quite different (though just as technically accurate). Of course each initiated was supposed to draw up his own version of the GD tarot based on the order's teachings so no definitive GD Tarot exists. Within the G.D. the tarot was used for meditational purposes but the Dowson pack was of a size eminently suitable for divination too. Marabas says that it was a courageous thing for Dowson to finance his own tarot and the British market was not ready for the first edition. A later mass-market edition handled internationally sold better but was a bit too advanced perhaps for the usual Tarot user. Hope this helps. BB Denise W.
 
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Topic     RE: Golden Dawn Temple/sites/graves     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 09:05 PM      
 
A.E. Waite died on the 19th of May 1943 and was buried in the churchyard at Bishopsbourne in Kent. Cannot find any internet photo of his grave,
anyone in that locale ?
 
No body or grave site has ever been located of MacGregor Mathers, and there was no cause of death on his death certificate. Died in November 1918, exact date disputed.
 
John William Brodie-Innes was loyal to Mathers throughout the Golden Dawn
factionalising and died in 1923 (in Scotland ?) He was Freemason so maybe the Temple was in a Masonic building ? Grand Lodge of Scotland (George Street) may know ?
 
Re Boleskine, occasionally pops up in the Scottish Sunday tabloids, owners
apparently do not appreciate anyone asking for a look around and complain
about all the 'weirdos and goths' who hang around the house and cemetery.
 
Re Crowley's ashes, as far as the popular account goes were sent to 'followers
in America'...
 
Topic     Golden Dawn Temple/sites/graves     posted by John User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 05:23 AM      
 
I am curious as to what was the location of the Amen-Ra Temple of the Golden
Dawn in Edinburgh formed by Brodie-Innes if anyone knows the street address
or name of the building ?
 
On a similar(ish) note, where are the grave-sites of the notables of the GD
such as Mathers, Waite, Brodie-Innes if indeed they were interred ?
 
Any info on these or other related areas (Crowley's ashes ? Anyone ever been
to Boleskine, etc ?) I'm interested to hear your info/experiences.
 
Best, John.
 
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Topic     Grazing and Harvesting Wisdom     posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 10:44 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 10:47 AM      
 
Hi all, Although most users will be aware of this facility I know from one or two emails I have received recently that some newcomers do not realise that they can Graze and Harvest seamlessly right across the SAEF forum and the SA website itself. That is, if you see anything you want to order from recommendations in this forum just click on the links and use the buy-now buttons there. The item/s will be added to your 'shopping basket'. Now you can continue to surf this forum, Grazing and Harvesting the items you require using the links given. Each time you go to an S.A. webpage and click on the buy-now button whatever you fancy will be added to your 'shopping basket' then return to the forum etc., and continue learning and acquiring. When you are ready just click on the 'check-out' button and your stored items will be carried forward. You can even log on and off and then back on again later in the day and your previously 'loaded' shopping basket will still be there waiting for you so its possible to build a 'wish-list' in your shopping basket for use later. Of course you can also delete items from your basket or otherwise edit as you like and nothing is final until you actually hit that submit order button so you can experiment all you like.
 
 
Keep in mind is that if you order any cyberbooks or instantly downloaded items, for technical reasons these are collated in a separate shopping basket so don't think your physical goods have disappeared! They are just in another basket. You can keep both shopping baskets on the go, automatically adding to each as you move along. When you come to check out you should check out each basket separately.
If anyone requires more background on how to use the S.A. on-line ordering system or in fact any other clarification about our website then ask away and I will try my best to advise. BB Denise W.
 
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Topic     RE: grimoriums     posted by U.V.Ray User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 08:28 AM      
 
I think you mean Grimoires.
 
Some Grimoires have survived then passage of time so that they become like magical reference books to be used like a cook book is for cooking, Grimoires are used for magic spells and magic ritual.
 
One may keep their own personal Grimoire - a record of magic we have employed as reference book whereby we may keep a record of our own magical workings.
 
Topic     grimoriums     posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 12:21 AM      
 
what are grimoriums?any internet page in which i can see them in which they are explained?its true that in them are spells for things that are not spells nowadays?
 
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Topic     H.G.A.-Spirit Guides.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 04:36 AM      
 
Greetings, fellow seeker. My personal, Thelemite structured concept is that, The Holy Guardian Angel, is the inner, True soul of man.It is the point of pure conciousness, A.K.A: The higher self, The inner
self, Christ-self etc. A useful visualisation is of a star, your conciousness, within, and a part of, infinite mind of understanding.
I.E: As Thelemic Gods; Hadit; The male, point of conciousness, as motion, entwined within The Godesess Nuit's embrace, as matter, conjoined within sphere 6 of The Tree of Life, they constitute 'One'
The H.G.A. I shall leave contemplation of Spirit Guides to others.
Best wishes in your path, Brother/sister.
 
Topic     Guardian Angel/Spirit Guide     posted by Seeking the Way User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:40 PM      
 
Hi All,
 
What is the difference between the Holy Guardian Angel and a Spirit-Guide
are they the same and are they higher parts of oneself ?
How can I communicate with my HGA or contact a spirit guide ? Any and all
suggestions/theories would be most appreciated. Thanks and blessings,
 
Seeking the Way
 
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Topic     RE: Haunted ebay items.     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 10:13 AM      
 
hiya
 
I will tell you the reason why I asked this question. Someone I know bought a few of these haunted items, djinn, ghul, demon, etc etc pieces such as rings, a silver spider, small lamp like an arabian thing jewellery piece, plus a metal and black skull..with hinged lid for incense, the eyes are like black marble, and tongue is copper, it has silver small skulls round face...apparently was used in a dark ritual before this person bought this...
 
I never knew about the dark ritual until they were posted to me as I said I would be interested in them, they were given me for free. I have witnessed lights like an orb at corner of my view..but other than that, oh, I seen a fly this happened twice..it may sound daft but my windows were not open so it could not have flown out, you see it happened on two seperate nights, first night of day I got items and then night after. The fly was no where to be seen after me seeing it, it never flew out of room just vanished when it went past me.
 
But other than orb and that I have not seen what this person has seen, such as six inch fly with demon head, and also a 3ft male.. this all astral in imagery I suppose but this person said they were very real looking. It is strange I was holding two rings when fly just appeared...I asked what the person thought the demon fly was attatched to, and the reply was the two rings I was holding, and I never mentioned the name of the rings. But the fly I seen was not six inch.
 
It could be they are haunted imbibed with demons or me being more logical it could be that person linked their thoughts so much to astral that it brought things through. Have to say though the skull has a weird energy to it.
 
Topic     Haunted ebay items.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM      
 
Hi, I believe, personally, that it is entirely possible to imbue metal with Djinn etc. Why on Earth, sell it? It would contain a part of you, and your temple structure in it, a key to your personal domain. Such foolishness by someone competent enough to perform such Magick is unlikely, unless, it's a double bluff, and
you're walking into a trap! Good luck.
 
Topic     RE: haunted ebay items??     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:28 AM      
 
they say they bind demons, djinns, etc to rings...just that some say they have connected to their items they bought and have seen things, but I dont know about all this.
 
Topic     RE: haunted ebay items??     posted by JK User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:00 PM      
 
By haunted most people would assume you mean a spirit of the dead
I don't know if a spirit of that type would inhabit an object ?
Probably people advertising 'haunted' items are looking to improve
their sales chances.
I wouldn't buy second hand psychic equipment as it would have
accumulated radiesthesic energies, and necessitate cleansing which
would remove the energies. Looking at things like Root-magic oils
and sigils I would say you could bind energies to objects-yes. - JK
 
Topic     RE: haunted ebay items??     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 06:28 PM      
 
Also are there ways to find out if haunted items not just ebay ones but others as well, such as a gift from someone who you know is into the occult, and you want to find out if it has embedded energy, etc.
 
Topic     haunted ebay items??     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 03:14 PM      
 
Anyone think these haunted items you see are all fakes or would you say genuine...that this thing can be done, Djiin, or Demons binded to a ring or whatever to bring the wearer what they want.
 
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Topic     RE: RE:HELP: Communication.     posted by feeorin User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 06:21 PM      
 
hi all,
 
thanks to u all for ur help it has been very much appreciated! esp patti!, just a little re-assurance that i used ur suggestion in the spirit it was meant, and i thought u would like to know that it work beautifully!
 
sorry im a little late with this reply but my comp K.Oed on me big time and only know i have it up and running once more!
 
once again thanks for all ur help!
 
feeorin xxx
 
Topic     RE:HELP: Communication.     posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 11:12 AM      
 
Red Dragon, Patti - We have got to stop meeting like this, people will begin to talk! Look, I have the unenviable job of refereeing this forum and Marabas gave me strict instructions that apart from normal politeness and displays of friendliness I was not to allow it to degenerate into another one of those in-crowd forums where a clique is created which becomes so personal as to swerve the context of the threads from leading edge magical debates into pen-pal type correspondence. Apart from diluting the threads it also invites conflict (you don't want to know what I think of anyone who calls themselves a Reiki Master!) By all means get together - we do hope a lot of long-term contacts and friendships are made via the SAEF - but you can pursue this on many other forums and webchat sites. If you want to take personal correspondence further please ask your correspondent/s to switch to one of those sites and help us keep the contents of your threads on this forum clean and keen. Ta muchly.
 
Topic     RE: what are poppets &     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:49 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:01 PM      
 
can they be used to attract love?
 
 
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Topic     RE:HELP: Communication.     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 08:09 AM      
 
HI Patti and Husband, Happy New Year, from Mike and lady.
Hmm, You have a little Red Dragon? I don't usually astrally scan people, it seems an invasion of privacy,I gathered what sort of person you are by intuition; some sort of link was made, now I think of it, but I just think of it as 'normal'. As you've invited me, with trust, to look at your red dragon; (astral symbology, as i'm sure you know, is just that, symbols, your hair may appear light and wavy, Astrally, in phisical; short,brown, one then analises it.)
I see a Dragon, western style, standard type; shiny, like varnished wood, on a table or short cabinet, It,s to the right of a large window, with net curtains, aglow with light: To me this means conciousness, that one is incarnate spirit, that one is aware of prajna, yet thje light glows through a veil,(of paraketh?) I see trough the eyes of the Dragon, A Lady, seated on a couch,with a large Man.They sit at one end of the couch,room for a guest,waiting, or kiddies perhaps, I only talk of adults in open forums. Patti, you are exactly the sort of person I would like to talk with at this point in my life; 'My' Lady has reached a new level in spirituality, where She wants to learn the ways of Wicca. I want to learn! Who better than you? Your qualifications are very impressiv, but the'ego-label' thing, yes,I undertand, I reckon, it's not the higher, or lower self that starts problems, it's the damnable ego!
Destiny?The Dragon, (Love your 'magickal name for him; Luxera, that means; light of Ra? Or Light of the era?.)
I wonder what you called into the Dragon?
I've been looking for someone like you. Destiny? I don't believe in coincidence. Only cause and effect, there is much which should not be revealed publicly. Problem; i tried to send an email to you through the Forum, apparently, 'http server types are no longer valid on this system' I've heard of this before, so free email sevices are being phased out. I've read Forum suggested policies, as trust is a vital element. I believe our further communication very important. So, I have posted my email address, I don't usually, but as I would be honoured to be your friend, I have done so; for your system should work on http systems, so I invite you to contact me directly, if you will. What One imagines you would call your 'spirit Guide'said:" (further) contact is confirmed, reaffmed."The sign for Taurus appeared,then it smiled.Good.Later I pressed again, "yes, it will be;" then a series of beautiful visions, horses galloping across the desert, culminating in like an elongated egg,blue,dark to light,many faceted;a precious gem.
So the ball is in your court, Patti. Will you email Me? I do hope so. Happy new Year! Mike-Red Dragon.
 
Topic     RE: HELP:Communication.     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 03:20 AM      
 
Thank You for such a polite and frankly fascinating letter! I've wanted to meet a true Wiccan for a while actually, I have no knowledge of the subject at all, Perhaps we can exchange knowledges? Well, i'm pushed for time right now, (You can call me Mike if you like.)
I'll write again, soon! Mike.
 
Topic     RE: RE:Banana     posted by Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 08:39 PM      
 
Best93,
I am pretty sure I am not bananas but can accept the criticism that perhaps my sense of humor is a little lacking these days. :)
You don't need to think I am great... just attack my beliefs/advice please and leave personal traits to everyone to decide for themselves. I am a big girl and can accept that not everyone is going to like, "get", and/or agree with my views.
If I misunderstood the "reader beware" message, my apologies. Although my comments may not be dripping with humor, my advice/comments come from my heart and are not meant to hurt or mislead anyone.
But please keep commenting...boards are more interesting with spicy people like you.
Patti
 
Topic     RE: HELP: Psychic vampirism.     posted by Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 08:14 PM      
 
Red,
Surgery is coming along-thank you so much for asking; Deepak Chopra teaches that sound and scent can assist in healing. So as soon as I was transferred to a room, my husband set up a little altar with a patent, crystals, and an "Avalon Stone" with a bowl of cut lime, lemon, and fresh orange. I listened to "the Healing Project" CDs and Reiki CDs. I feel it really gave me a jump start to recovery as I am doing pretty OK.
Surgery was not due to a banana incident! :) LOL You are so funny!
I don't proclaim to be evolved, but good-hearted/intended Wiccan female you pegged! Yes; I am an ordained HPS; I am also a Reiki Master (there is the healing) and I have been certified in Hypnotherapy. I have years of education and experience that I wear proudly, but usually do not disclose-ego is not my thing. Through my experiences and own writings, in certain circles I am considered adept, though I certainly do not claim that title for myself. There is always so much more to learn.
You are right again; I did break my own principal when I offered up the poppet suggestion. But years ago, I had been a victim of a very ugly magickal attack and feeoin's plight brought back those dark feelings; mostly of discomfort and urgency.
I know you are right yet again: "not everyone is nice"... but I like to believe people have noble intentions until I find out otherwise... so much for wisdom, huh? Goddess Bless the Warrior in us all!
Red Dragon, huh? I have a beautiful red dragon (whom I have given gifts to) in my home... can you see where? Shall I whisper a blessing for you to him? Is it destiny we've met? ;)
Thank you for your kind wishes for 2008. It would be my privilege to call you a friend. Contact me directly anytime; I would love to hear more about your path.
 
Topic     RE: HELP: Psychic vampirism.     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 05:12 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:59 AM      
 
Errata: My writings are obstruse,( Yet I'm being offered prestigious editorial position, by the Adeptii that construct the modern day new rituals!)
I wrote of an unpleasant type of entity, in an unclear fashion.
I meant, that it may well be useful to view Brother Marabus's stock of knowledge concerning psycic self defence, a most important subject, even the advanced practitioner, with an open mind, can learn fresh tips, new angles.
With HUGE best wishes for a fruitful and Happy 2008 to One and All!
Red.(LVX.)
 
 
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Topic     RE: HELP: Psychic vampirism.     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 04:49 PM      
 
Hi Patti,
Hope you're coping with your surgery ordeal in a balanced fashion, it wasn't due to a banana related mishap, perchance? Really, I missed that posting. Any road up, from my humble perspective, i read the 'help' thread, and was struck by; An evolved spirit, good hearted, wiccan, female. Well formed knowledge,(Priestess?) Adept in the arts, has she attained unto unity with her inner soul; become as full Adeptus minor?Maybe not, yet I sense you are able to 'tune in' to that inner nature, with ease. I read of feeorin,
a man moaning about a persistant banana, how he'd used all magic he knew, now exhausted, seeks power from another.
I saw him psychically; Regardless, why is this woman in his life? Are we to believe that he is whiter than white, and that he is under 'irrational attack,'or is it possible he used and abused this woman, now wants to get his jollies elsewhere? Why am i so cynical?
In My personal morality, I don't use magick against 'ordinarys';
seems like using a gun on a child with a stick. Personally. He's exhausted, so rather than meditate etc. becoming charged with the holy light of God, he seeks a human to 'power him up. (N.B. The second astral entity i discovered: a vampire, i was a kid, only just learning psychic self defense, Fr. Marabus has the knowledge available, to learn psychic self defence.'It' is damned/light of God causes pain, but by ejecting a strong young soul from his physical body, he can feed on the transmuted force; now human power.) Back to Feeorin, no light of God? Asks for power, not explaining why,really. So you advise 'poppets, in as good away as possible, but you never the less broke one of your principles. You have a good heart, I would be honoured to be your friend.There are too few of you around,maybe you're a healer type, I,m a warrior type, clearing the important paths of obstacles. SO! That was that, never happy with my writings, I hope you got the gist, be careful,please, you're 'nice', a lot of occultists are not, it's all a part of the grand design. May I wish you a fruitful,(bananaless) 2008, Brimming with Light, Life, Love and Feedom! Red.
 
Topic     RE: HELP!!!     posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 04:49 AM      
 
Hi Patti, been in Arizona for...? Not phisically. Surgery? Weird stuff, the ambulances, blood, the morphine drenched halls of the near dead,I'm pure Geburah Warrior/Avenging angel type; Lots of surgery. Just woke up in an armchair,I wouldn't have written if I didn't care, Patti, will write properly when i wake up, (Anyone got any food on board?) love, Red.
 
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Topic     RE:Banana     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 03:15 AM      
 
Hi Patti, I'm back! Look! Don't wish you any harm at all.I thought banana was funny because a forum always is (lol). Don't take it personally: I think you are great.But are you bananas or not?
Best93
 
Topic     RE: HELP!!!     posted by Patti User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 04:24 PM      
 
Red Dragon,
Just back from surgery; sorry for the delay in response. Got your apology; everyone makes mistakes and I hope this board is tolerant of those who do. I really don't mind being criticized or poked fun at, so keep annoying, checking or whatever-if I am a spade today, perhaps a heart tomorrow (lol). DO NOT GO AWAY! And if you are my banana, perhaps you will see that I can have a sense of humor when warranted. ¿
 
A word about casting; most people do not think of poppets when trying to work something that is not "dark" in one way or another. I say it can be done. But not so much for compassion, but for choice to reap rewards without backlash. Although, I have never known a teaspoon of compassion to hurt anyone. :)
 
feeorin xxx, Best of luck to remove your obstacle! Please let us know how things work out.
 
I wish every Wiccan and Pagan a wonderful New Wheel!
Patti
 
Topic     RE: HELP!!!     posted by Red dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 01:20 AM      
 
"I do not usually..." ( compassion is the vice of kings?)
On the whole Patti, Is that a spade I see before me, dig?
Love, light, life and liberty to thee and thine.
 
Topic     RE: HELP!!!     posted by feeorin User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 09:33 PM      
 
hi patti,
 
thanks for ur help! ive have used poppets in the past, but never for this situation, so ur suggestion is very welcome!
the thing u said about my 'chart' maybe my chart could be finding the right route to deal with the problem and the lesson learnt is the path i took to solve it! like putting it on this forum maybe or maybe u could be right! i try not to inflict ill on others, and do not wish to inflict harm on this women either i just want her out of my life, hence why ive tried things like freezing her out of my life! i just dont want her in it any longer!
once again thanks for ur help, it is appreciated!
 
feeorin xxx
 
Topic     RE: HELP!!!     posted by Patti User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 06:46 PM
edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM      
 
OK... I do not usually recommend that anyone performs "manipulative" magic, but there are two things I could recommend.
The 1st option would be using poppets; one represents you and one represents this other person. TO AVOID CREATING BAD KARMA, you would want to wish this person well/good health but that they find a different focus-something more productive than bother you. Make sure when you start, the poppets are joined-then by cutting the string, you are acting out a situation symbolic of separation. But it is my belief that after the Ritual, you must care for the poppet of the other person (put it in plastic to keep it from harm) and store it some place safe. Stuff it with non-poisonous well intended herbs for excellent health (both physical and mental) and beauty-for self esteem issues.
If this is above your ability, there is the 7 Dime spell, but consequences can arise... what are you willing to give?
*** Another thought*** This person may be part of your "chart". Perhaps they are in your life for you to learn from this experience and they will not be removed until "your lesson" is met, dealt with to your highest benefit, and then you may both move on in a positive way. But I strongly recommend you first meditate on this before taking further action. Messing with your chart would be a mistake, you will only have to deal with this again later. I am offering the above to be used in light... I hope you accept it under the terms it is offered and that this information helps you to find learning and comfort from this ugly situation.
Love and Light,
Patti
 
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Topic     RE: HELP!!!     posted by feeorin User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:35 PM      
 
hi there,
 
i can see ur point aboutme being half hearted from exhaustion.... in fairness this situation has gone on for 5 years now!
 
but i can promise you i most definately not a situation i want to remain in, on any level! although i can easierly see how some ppl might, as they may well enjoy the battle on some level, but trust me when i say i do not!
 
my only reason for even tolerating this women in the past has now been taken away! so now with nothing to lose, im at a loss as to how to lose her for good!
 
thanks feeorin xxxx
 
Topic     RE: HELP!!!     posted by pejay User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 10:13 AM      
 
Perhaps that is your problem - you are too 'exhausted' to properly assert your true will and being pulled into a vacuum of half-heartedness and self-deception? Alternatively, you may subconsciously want the situation to remain as it is but not yet be able to comprehend this just yet on a mundane level?
 
Topic     RE: HELP!!!     posted by feeorin User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:17 PM      
 
hi there,
 
i have asserted myself.... put my point my across so many times! im exhausted!!!!
 
Topic     RE: HELP!!!     posted by pejay User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:14 PM      
 
Simple – just assert yourself properly.
 
Topic     HELP!!!     posted by feeorin User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 08:21 PM      
 
hi there,
 
to the point: how do i remove ppl out of my life, this women is driving me insane, magically... ive frozen her in my freezer, ive bottled her!, ive buried her, my fiancee has cast ruins on her.... ive even done mundane things like tell her to leave me alone! seriously this women and persistant have no difference in them! short of moving to another country this women just has no bounds! seriously what have missed. ive used personal item association thing! still shes there... were stumped! shes not even magical orientated! anything has got better than this! thanks feeorin xxx
 
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Topic     Hereditary Witchcraft book sold by SA     posted by JK User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:56 AM      
 
Dear SA,
 
I must be getting old ! I bought a book from you back around 1990
on Hereditary Witchcraft and can't remember the title or author.
I haven't a clue where it ended up and was wondering if you know
which one it was. It had a very striking cover: Blood red dust jacket with beautiful black design of foliage around a skull...?
 
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Topic     RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex??     posted by Paul User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 07:46 AM      
 
There is something you may have missed. A little lesson that may help you to change your self-perspective...
 
Ask yourself exactly what it was that made you feel inadequate? Analyse yourself, the situation and also why it is you want this man. There is no right and wrong answer, it is all individual. This is a large part of the path of self-knowledge.
 
Certainly - as I know only too well (!) - when I am being insulted, it is hard not to be defensive or to attack back! But both reactions may prevent me from analysing myself consciously and discovering who I really am...
 
Just a thought that may be of use or disagarded as you see fit :)
 
Regards
 
Paul
 
Topic     RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex??     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 04:19 PM      
 
Yep. You nailed it Lisa. Youll find alot of people put themselves on a wobbly peddle-stall. The key is how they make you feel. Would you get driving lessons from a driving instructor that made you feel inadequate. My girlfriend and I have just brought a book on Western Sex Magick and we have started practicing the exercises. It does take awhile but for us its about the journey. But you dont need a partner to start Tantric exercises just grab a book from the booklist.
 
Good Luck
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex??     posted by Lisa User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 11:25 AM      
 
Thanks for replying to me.......why do you say he is a weirdo? you mean for boasting about his tantric experiences......but then telling me "it takes years of study" and making me feel like I cannot do it.......because he thinks he's such an expert?
 
Please explain as you clearly know what you are talking about.
BB. Lisa x
 
Topic     HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex??     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 08:01 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:33 AM      
 
He sounds, to me, like a bit of wierdo Lisa. If you want to learn Tantra then take your Destiny in your own hands, buy a book, and start practicing.
You can follow this link for Sex or Love spells for an instant mp3 download.
 
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lovemag.htm
 
 
Smiles
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex??     posted by Lisa User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:44 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:31 AM      
 
it is PURELY physical.......for he has walked the left hand path and has enjoyed tantric sex......but refuses to teach me, because he says it takes years of practice and he has now moved on and doesn't practice any longer.........
 
 
[Infoburst: He's bullshitting you Lisa - but at least he's not taking advantage of your gullibility. You need in-depth advice and most probably an I-ching reading as well. Write to Marabas at fratermarabasATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk. Remember that people's opinions on this forum are just that - they are not definitive and do not speak for Marabas. If you want a full and proper answer get in touch direct.]
 
Topic     RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex??     posted by Gierran User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 10:15 PM      
 
Well, I've heard it said that simply being loving, compassionate, empathic etc. is the highest form of love magick. What is the nature of your emotional bond with this guy; how strong an inner connection do you feel with him? Or is the attraction primarily physical? You don't have to answer all this; but they might be provocative questions to ask yourself...
 
Topic     Get that Man!     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 09:47 PM      
 
Hi Lisa,
I wonder, maybe a hang up? Myself, I was a Grammer school boy,
when it came time, down the local, for rebel types, (O.K. middle class, but rebels!) I'd meet a girl, my reaction:-"Duuuh, you're
a girl, er, right, er, um. Nice meeting mumble.
I did not know what to do! Grab Him! Boost His confidence, if this is the problem, Happy Hunting!
888
 
Topic     RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex??     posted by Janet K User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 08:36 PM      
 
Hello Lisa
If you go onto the SA's shop Site (see links on the forum) you will find literally hundreds of products, spells and potions, tips and cassettes that will provide you with the tools to seduce your man.
Check it out and good luck (let us know what happens, eh?)
 
Topic     RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex??     posted by Paul User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 01:26 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 05:12 PM      
 
Why not try what Church of Satan call Lesser Magic. Make yourself more alluring, seductive etc. Change yourself to become what he desires. I suggest you read and employ some of the techniques in The Satanic Witch by Anton LaVey.
 
Just a thought. :)
 
 
[Infoburst: It's more than a thought Paul, Marabas teaches that you should never ask the gods to do for you what you can do yourself more easily than they. Thus Lisa's first port of call would be a Wonderbra and a short skirt (I am not being fascetious). Lisa is looking outwards instead of inwards. Then she can supplement her natural magic with results magic. She needs to unlock and empower her feminine wiles first but I am not going to enter into all that metaphorical symbolism about locks and keys!. ;-) BB Denise W.
 
Topic     HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex??     posted by Lisa User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:12 AM      
 
This gentleman likes me but isn't making any moves.......how can I magically attract him for sex?? Tried asking him out....he said no.
 
Is there a relatively simple spell I might employ?
 
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Topic     RE: Magick Oils     posted by Baffled chap User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 10:08 AM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 02:07 PM      
 
Oh please! Do not compare yourself with Denise or the SA! I have read your comments about dead animals and table dancing etc and also your threats to people who rattle your cage with their comments whether thay are justified or not! And you dare to call me a bore because I tried oil for a specific purpose. Ever wondered how people view you? Maybe lots of us read and chuckle or juat label you as a nutty old woman but aren't as rude or egotistic as you to pass petty comments. You did not pass comment on the lady that asked about snow queen. Does that make her a loose woman? Each to their own. Now please keep your comments to yourself as they serve no purpose and I don't have the time to waste on this.
 
[Infoburst: Now, now Baffled Chap, the question you have to ask yourself is this: Would you be speaking to AnnB that way if she were a Pamela Anderson look alike? When he was twenty, one of the world's most powerful and leading-edge shamans (Austin Spare) was entranced and englamoured by an aged Witch about whom Spare was besotted. You have yet to meet your Mrs Pattison so I would caution you not to burn your boats! The gods are still at work here and you are on a severe learning curve. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Magick Oils     posted by AnnB User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 09:25 AM      
 
I do not snipe at genuine people if you bother to read anything possible have alwaysntriednto help young people who are true believers That is what people such as Denise and myself in a small way try to do I really hope you do have true faith now Ive finishing sniping.
 
Topic     RE: Magick Oils     posted by Baffled chap User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 11:01 PM      
 
So I forgot to fill the name bit out, get over it! I have seen you slate quite a few people off but you get quite rattled when people have a pop at you. This is a forum to share and discuss which is what I did. All you do is snipe, please don't reply to me again unless you have something constructive to say and not insults as you did earlier.
 
Topic     Magick Oils     posted by AnnB User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 10:07 PM      
 
Back to anonymous I see very weird
 
Topic     RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 05:07 PM      
 
You don't know me so don't judge me. The lady and I get on well and I purchased something to take things to the next step. That is why the sa supply things like these oils because there is a need.
 
Topic     RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???     posted by AnnB User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 03:50 PM      
 
Im sorry poor old baffled chap but your charm doesnt seem to be working very well does it perhaps a little bit of softly softly perhaps recognising her as a woman andnot an object Believe me in the 60s I was never a feminist but you cant wonder at them when coming up against testerone man can you. All baffled chaps need to use your brains and not brawn Im sorry but I really cant take you seriously have you a notched bed post or belt. Dont think ofme as a daffy old dear Ive had my moments but the pushy sort(oh yes they were around in the prehistoric era) always bored me and my friends
 
Topic     RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???     posted by Baffled chap User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 02:09 PM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 01:56 PM      
 
Hi, I was looking simply for sex with someone I have known and fancied for a while but used Ruthvah to help for that purpose. We hang out a bit but I wanted to expand the friendship to a casual sex thing as well. I don't want love with the woman so thought this would be the best option. A funny thing happened with someone else though. A few days later someone who I knew a while back but had not had a relationship or sex with with contacted me after not hearing from her for 3 or 4 months and seems to really have the hots for me. I had forgot about her but she has made it clear she wants sex. Is it connected I wonder. Seems a bit odd if not but I don't fancy her! lol
 
[Infoburst: It seems to me that the gods are trying to educate you. Marabas teaches that Magick is a continual process which demands that the operator evolves and changes just as much as his/her target. There is always a price to pay in the return of energies. This is not a moral restriction but a technical one. The gods give you what you want (the 2nd lady who turned up for sex) whilst denying you the first lady in an attempt to cause introspection about your own needs, motivations and ideals. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???     posted by Baffled chap User
posted on December 29, 2008 at 12:35 PM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 09:55 AM      
 
I have tried again wearing it in the presense of the same lady but she has made it clear that she is not interested in anything apart from friendship but I was only after a sexual liason with her though I never told her that! We are both single but she is a tough nut to crack or does this work over a period of time rather than on the day it is worn?
 
 
[Infoburst: The phrase 'round pegs in square holes ' comes to mind. When working magic one has to choose the right application for each outcome.
 
Ruthvah is an attraction oil par excellence and by repute attracts females to men who wear it. Any female within the immediate vicinity of a person wearing Ruthvah will, according to tradition, be more open to advances and find the wearer more attractive on a sexual / subconscious level. One wouldn't use Ruthvah for love-magick, one would use
 
Marabas's Spellkit For Love's Desire for that.
However your outcomes and ideas are unformed and fall between those two things. You just want casual sex (which isn't too hard to come by these days I hear) but contrarily you don't want just anyone for sex. So what do you want? Do you want this particular woman because she means something more to you? If so then why are you frightened of a relationship? The outcome is likely to be that you have such a high opinion of yourself that you only want 'the best'. This is a form of greed and, of course, will be easily seen through by the lady in question so quite rightly she will not play. There is nothing Ruthvah can do magically to overcome your own lack of sensitivity - though it has brought you here to be enlightened! BB Denise W. ]
 
 
Topic     RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???     posted by Baffled chap User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 06:29 PM
edited on December 29, 2008 at 05:58 AM      
 
My question is has anyone tried Ruthvah? I used it a few weeks ago on a night out and made my move on a woman I had been chatting to all night but did not get the desired effect. I thought it worked on any woman but this one did not want to know. Anyone got a theory on why that may be? I applied it before going out so was wearing it for 4 or 5 hours.
 
 
[Infoburst: Your comments are somewhat contradictory. You spent most of the night chatting to the lady. Seems like Ruthvah did its job okay to me. BB Denise W )
 
Topic     RE: I agree with the previous 2 entries.....     posted by ruby x User
posted on December 01, 2008 at 05:01 PM      
 
so Ali....hi! how did your rituals go with the magickal oils??
 
Did you have some success? Do write and let other followers know!!
 
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Topic     RE: I agree with the previous 2 entries.....     posted by Ali User
posted on November 12, 2008 at 03:38 PM
edited on November 14, 2008 at 01:40 PM      
 
Well said, Hannah!
 
I am very new to S.A. but am aware of it through a very close friend. I wanted to make some changes in my life and
 
they recommended I bought some magical oils.
Within hours of thinking 'yes, I will purchace some', I was already getting results! After sending off my request to S.A. I had other things happen! Now my oils have arrived and I intend to use them as part of a full moon ritual tomorrow. I can only imagine the effect they will have from then onwards! I will let you know what happens.
 
Ali
 
Topic     I agree with the previous 2 entries.....     posted by Hannah User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:20 AM      
 
It is NOT the S.A's fault, or anyone elses, if your spells/oils fail to bring about the results you desire. Maybe the results you wanted is just not meant to be for you?
 
If you have a genuine Q or problem contact Denise and she can advise you further and also, please use a name.
 
Topic     Magick Oils     posted by AnnB User
posted on September 14, 2008 at 05:55 PM
edited on September 16, 2008 at 02:42 PM      
 
Im sorry that the forum is having trouble with Anonymous this is obviously a person who is playing at being silly, but what goes around comes around so let them play their silly games.
Silly but ltimately can reverse.
 
Otherwise perhaps they are so simple that the use of oils is a hard thing for them to command.
 
Topic     RE: Magickal Personality     posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 08:56 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:45 PM      
 
How long should oils take to work? I have been using them for 4 months with no results at all!
 
 
[Infoburst: I think it is becoming clear to other forum users that this particular 'anonymous' is trying to show the S.A. in a bad light because of some conflict, imagined or otherwise; so here's a message for you 'anonymous'. Although we hold to our promises and we don't know who you are we do know your machine number and it would be the easiest thing in the world to ban you from the forum for good. If you have a problem then get in touch with me at my email address, otherwise stop playing silly games or you will be kicked out. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Magickal Personality     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 06:31 PM
edited on September 05, 2008 at 11:13 AM      
 
Are we talking Love or Sex here Ruby. Lol, lets go with the latter. Yep
 
Snow Queen is the one for driving us Men under your command. The periapt is some words, for you to say, to help the spell along.
 
Good Luck
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK??     posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:31 PM      
 
what is a periapt??
 
Topic     RE: Magickal Personality     posted by FOR RICENPEAS User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:29 PM      
 
your answer is brill.......really well thought out, so please may i ask you, which oil would you use if you wanted to attract a specific man to fall in love with you?? which is what i wish to do.........or at least, have sex with me anyway!!
 
many Thnaks, Ruby xxx
 
Topic     Magickal Personality     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 29, 2008 at 08:03 PM      
 
OK Anon. Lets try to model it this way.
A personality is a set of characteristics. We can display different sets of charateristics dependeing our mood or enviroment, so we could say that each of us has more than 1 personality. For exsample, if you are late for work you display 1 personality, but, at the end of the day when your havin a quiet pint you show another. We can go further and say that our enviroment is also made up personalities, for example, the wind displays a different set of charateristics to fire, the earth has different qualities to water.
Using Shamanism, Ritual Magick, Meditation or a mixture of all 3 we become aware of how all these personalities interact and we become free to develope and use them because of this. Its a rough model but im sure you get the point. How i use the personality oil is personal, but i acn assure you its not for improving my charisma.
 
Lol :)
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Enhancing your experiance with oils     posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM      
 
why would you need to develop your personality?? unless you feel you don't actually have one??????
 
Topic     RE: Oils     posted by Maz User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 10:14 AM      
 
Gierran; I understand what you are saying but I do want him back. But when something or someone has hurt you its hard to forget that and i am angry about what he did but that dose not stop me wanting him still. what i am asking is if the oils will still work with the way i feel?
 
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Topic     RE: Oils     posted by Gierran User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 03:15 AM      
 
Maz--you might want to become clear on whether you truly want your ex back or not. Sounds like you have some seriously conflicting emotions about this; and emotions being a form of energy, you wouldn't want them working at cross-purposes, in ordinary or magical contexts. Just my two units of currency; make of them what you will...
 
Topic     RE: Oils     posted by Maz User
posted on August 08, 2008 at 12:29 PM      
 
I am looking to use some love oils, maybe come back or love and respect or both. I want my ex back but I get angry when I think of how he hurt me. Will the oils still work or will my anger and hurt course problems with it working as well? Can any of you help with this please? How long will it take to work?
 
Topic     RE: Oils     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 04:25 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:35 AM      
 
Hi Anne, I can see 2 reasons why spells may "rebound". Bad analysis of our selves/situation and badly constucted spells/rituals which I would put under the heading "Sloppy Magick". You are definatly right to advise new comers to follow Marabas s instructions on using oils and I found the
 
"Incense, Oil and Powder Magic" audio a great help in deciding which oil is right for my situation and how to apply. It also teaches a well constructed Master ritual which can be safley adapted to suit. ;)
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Speaking of magical oils...     posted by Karen User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 02:09 AM
edited on November 14, 2008 at 01:45 PM      
 
...I'm afraid something's happened to the 'full-range' magical oils page on the SA website, the one at
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/incenses.htm . When I try to get into this page, it bumps me straight back to http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/magoils.htm immediately. I know this is actually a website/technical question; but I was wondering if the S.A. website folks were aware of this...
 
[Infoburst: Sorry about that Karen - they were working on that page when you tried to access it - the above link should be okay now. BB Denise W. ]
 
 
 
Topic     RE: Oils     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 21, 2008 at 05:25 PM      
 
Do you find it takes long to get your results and how many applications do you apply?
 
Topic     Oils     posted by annB User
posted on July 21, 2008 at 04:07 PM      
 
Have always had good results with oils and am always guided by Marabas guidelines and the use of prayer
 
as it is easy for the spell to rebound and boy then are you in bother
as you can tell I am a little hyper my morphine patch has just hit the spot change it once a week so will calm down shortly
 
Topic     RE: Enhancing your experiance with oils     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:07 PM      
 
Put it out of your mind best you can and let the spell do its job. i work with the idea that im either casting a spell or im not. Anything inbetween can just confuse things. :)
 
Topic     RE: Enhancing your experiance with oils     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 09:06 PM      
 
Hi Ricenpeas. I only has the chance to apply the oil on to the person I want to affect on one occasion and do not come into contact with them now so will this be strong enough to give me my result in you opinion? It was about 3 weeks ago I used it. Do I need to continually see my result in my minds eye or put it out of my mind and wait for my result?
 
Topic     Enhancing your experiance with oils     posted by RicenpeaS User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 06:45 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:31 AM      
 
Phidelma...Speaking as a Man there is nothing more attractive than a Woman that knows shes a Woman. We all know the importantance attraction plays in our work, social and private relationships and by appying
Snow Queen you can get the edge by boosting your Womanly ways. It comes with instructions to tell you how to "ACTUALY" use it so dont threat, but please, on behalf of all men I have to say "Dont be shy. Use it".
ricenpeas the sleaze
 
 
Anonymous Re. other oils n how long
 
Ive been using
 
conscentration and personality developing oil for 6 or 7 weeks now with very definate results. The conscentration oil has enhanced the clarity in my thinking, and i often see the solution before the problem. It has most definatly contributed to slowing down my hyperactivity and a dash is as good as 20 mins meditation if needs must. The personality developing oil has also proved very effective though the results are a little personal so... The important thing i have found in applying oils is my intent. What do i want to achive. The clearer this is in my minds eye the quicker and easier the results follow. Every time I apply the oil I reinforce my intent (you can use chants, sigils a little poem, prayer)and then let the oil do the work. The more I do this the stronger the effect.
 
Hope that helped
 
RicenPeas
 
Topic     HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???     posted by Phidelma User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:05 PM      
 
WHAT DID YOU EXPERIENCE? HOW DID YOU ACTUALLY USE IT??
 
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Topic     Magical oils/strategic uses     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 03:49 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:29 AM      
 
Frater Marabas recommends in his writings applying magical oils
regularly over time to build up the effect, also it would depend
on how much 'resistance' or strain upon the order of the Universe
you are attempting. I would always suggest if working with Marabas'
oils to read the
 
'Root magic guide' or / and
 
'Marabas Says' first as they
will explain applications and strategies for best effect. An
example coming to mind might be using an oil or powder to get someone to stay away or move away, if you just strew on the front
door they might start using the back door, etc. I once tried to
target two persons by putting a subject link from each in ONE bottle
of oil and there was no effect. I then used another bottle of oil but split it into TWO bottles and put subject links individually in each and almost straight away there were results.
 
Topic     RE: Root magic oil worked for me     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 02:20 PM      
 
Has anyone tried any of the other oils and if so how long did they take to work?
 
Topic     Root magic oil worked for me     posted by John W User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 01:24 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:26 AM      
 
I had a lot of problems going on in my life some time ago
and it was taking its toll on my personal relationship.
I decided to try
 
'Love & Sex' oil, and at first I didn't
think there was any effect, but after a couple of weeks
of applying the oil here and there in many inventive ways
my love life had improved no end, sex was better than ever
and the other problems which had been leaving no room for
intimacy also sorted themselves out. I then downloaded the
Root magic guide for more ideas. Very impressed !!!
 
John W
 
 
 
HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK?? posted by Zara P. User
posted on February 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM 
 
Has anyone experienced results with any of these oils?
How do they bring about your heart's desire?
 
Topic     anyone tried "SNOW QUEEN" ??     posted by Zara P. User
posted on April 05, 2008 at 04:45 PM      
 
magical oils? If so, What happened??
 
Topic     RE: HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK??     posted by Zara P User
posted on March 14, 2008 at 02:19 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:37 AM      
 
"ETHERICSOUL", thank you VERY VERY much for your excellent answer.
 
I want to attract a specific man to desire me & become close friends with me. I do not have the slightest clue how to go about this. I don't really know how to visualise properly. What would you advise?
 
The man in question likes me but is too shy to make a move. Grateful for any help you could offer.
Sincerely and Many Blessings to you,
Zara x.
 
 
 
[Infoburst: The best oil for this Zara would be Snow Queen P146 from the S.A. because it is an attraction oil par excellence and comes complete with a very ancient periapt which you just modify slightly to suit who you want to englamour - then go to it.
You can see more about it and its effects as well as order it on www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm BB Denise W.]
 
Topic     RE: HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK??     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 10, 2008 at 01:06 PM      
 
hi
 
The oils have correspondences so whilst you may think you are just wearing them, they are effecting the astral level which is where everything is to begin with before it comes down into material (Malkuth) level. You also attune your mind and energy by way of focus, as like attracts like, but it is also in the workings of synchronicity.
 
I feel they work along the same lines as, say, a talisman would do, but they I feel are more powerful because they are on a higher level somewhat vibrating, not only that but the smell attunes your mind and psychic energy as well. You would only use a minute amount, and also would come at the magic or the intent of the situation from more than one angle; wear it, annoint a candle, put it on target person or image of what you want, etc, etc.
 
I have tried them and they do work, and they are not like others that you come across which are lacking in occult energy and power. One thing with all magick you need to act as if you already have what you want, the outcome being fulfilled, etc. Never do magick half heartedly thinking will it work, as this blocks the flow and can work against you. The thing with all magick is that you can use many techniques, pathworking put a bit of the oil in a burner, and choose a pathworking that has the correspondences to attract what you seek, colour, god or goddess, numbers, astrology, tarot, etc.
 
I did a basic ritual once, I was in need of money. I relaxed, focused energy coming up from base chakra, into my hands, feeling the power become stronger. At first though I was sending energy down into core of earth then started pulling it up when it reached a level the heat was strong the energy that is, and then as I was focusing on a statue of a the virgin mary (it was the only thing I had at that time) and with focus on lit candles, I sent out the intent. This was a very basic self made ritual, but it worked, next day I got a cheque from the housing for £200...I do not to this day know why it was sent as there was no letter explaining, and I was up to date with rent but not them owing me. The only thing I can think about, was 9 months before they did some renovation work, they ripped my shower out but would not compensate me because they said it was not to their standards, more than their jobsworth to just put in a small switch. It is sorted now. But they would not compensate for me having to rip flooring up or the shower. I had four head people tell me this, and so I had no leg to stand on. But then I get that cheque 9 months to a year later; was it the magic, well I think it was. Find your own unique way of doing magick it is more powerful, but always look to methods that get you the results, intent, focus, energy, etc.
 
Topic     HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK??     posted by Zara P. User
posted on February 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM      
 
Has anyone experienced results with any of these oils?
How do they bring about your heart's desire?
 
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Topic     I-Ching guide...     posted by John W User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 09:18 AM      
 
My I-Ching guide is fine, must be an small error in an earlier
edition as Denise says, Have to say though that this little guide
is A+++++. I was always put off by the I-Ching as too austere but
it's actually easy peasy when you read Marabas's guide as an intro.
 
As has been said earlier though, just put in some time with the
language in Wilhelm. I became an I-Ching addict for a while and
bought a pile of 'new (un)improved versions' but none were a patch
on Wilhelm's and have since become recycled. And those Chinese coins
are thee bizniss !
 
Best to all,
John.
 
Topic     Wilhelm/I-Ching guide: Hexagram differences     posted by Alex User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 01:28 PM
edited on August 07, 2008 at 03:30 PM      
 
Hi, just my Tuppence worth,
 
Quick check between Wilhelm and Frater Marabas's guide,
differences are below:
 
Marabas has 39 (Obstruction) and 56 (Wanderer) in each others
place. Text is fine, but hexagram illustrations are wrong.
 
Marabas hexagram 64 (Before Completion)text is right but hexagram
is a repeat of hex. 30 (Clinging).
 
Should be easily corrected in future printings. All other Hex's are
A-OK.
 
Alex.
 
[Infoburst: Hi Alex, it looks like for some reason you have an old printed version of the Instant I-Ching. If you let me have your email address and your details (email me at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk)I will arrange to have a corrected version sent to you. Same goes for Anonymous. BB Denise W. ]    Marabas's 'Instant I-Ching ' now available for immediate download here; http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/books1.htm (Scroll down to Frater Marabas's Instant I-Ching)

 
Topic     RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations     posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 12:56 PM      
 
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you Denise, my Instant I-Ching by Marabas shows hexagram 56, The Wanderer on page 17 IS different to that in my Wilhelm translation where the Wanderer (still hexagram no. 56) is on page 216
The judgement is the same but the top trigram is different in each book. I did double check before adding my listing and again before replying to your response.
 
Topic     RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations     posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 02, 2008 at 11:52 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:01 PM      
 
I have both the Wilhelm book of changes and Marabas's primer but I have noticed some of the hexagrams are different, I dont know how many but I did a cast recently and noticed that no. 56, The Wanderer are different in each book. Has anyone else noticed this mistake or if any of the other hexagrams are different too? The hexagram in the book of changes for The Wanderer is given as Obstruction in M's primer. I'm sure its just a simple error but could make a huge difference to your casts. I will email the SA and let them know but thought it was best to pop this on here just to let you all know. This is not a criticism towards M or the SA in any way.
 
 
[Infoburst: There is nothing wrong. You have become confused with the tables included in the Wilhelm Baynes Translation. You are probably comparing the Index of The Hexagrams (which is listed by number in order of numerical ascendance - i.e. as each hexagram is built bottom upwards )with the actual hexagram numbers given in the text. The actual hexagram numbers are derived from the Table or Key following the General Index in the book and are constructed from the 8 individual trigrams which make up the 64 hexagrams. This is actually shown on the Index of the Hexagrams but ambiguously. If you stick to using the 'Key for Identifying the Hexagrams following the General Index then you won't be confused.
BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 03:05 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 09:25 AM      
 
Hi all, can anyone help and advise about the i-ching please. I do not understand the meaning when it states about the superior man should persevere or undertake something etc. Does this relate to the person consulting the i-ching or to the person they are asking the i-ching about? I have been trying to get to grips with this method for some time now but rather than understanding it i am becoming more confused with it! I have a dire situation I am seeking advice about but due to my confusion i fear i may make matters worse rather than better by not understanding the advice. It seems I am not the only person lacking understanding or trust in this system.
 
[Infoburst: Marabas says: Always keep in mind your place in the scheme of things. The traditional commentaries on the I-Ching were first written out with the Help of Confucious five hundred years BCE - hence are somewhat idiosyncratic. They are also written from a confucian standpoint. Confucious's writings were a moral benchmark (similar to Mao Tse Tung's Little Red Book) for the actions and thoughts of Mandarins and other influential Chinese. Hence references to The Superior Man refers to anyone who works the I-Ching and who aspires to high moral and ethical standards. There are plenty of I-Ching books where writers have intended to modernise the I-Ching meanings but most of them end up corrupted and any genuine seeker needs to have the original text to work from. Don't blame the book if you can't understand - try harder. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations     posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 11:08 PM      
 
I find it quite confusing when asking about another person and what they may do about a certain situation etc. When the text for example refers to what someone should do, is this referring to the person you are asking about (who is unaware of the consulting the oracle) or is this reference to the person doing the asking? Tips on the use of the I-Ching would be appreciated from the advanced users.
Thanks all.
 
Topic     RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations     posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 22, 2008 at 09:02 AM
edited on April 22, 2008 at 09:03 AM      
 
Hi Rob, I agree utterly with your evaluation of the Willhelm-Baynes I-Ching. A superb classic of the esoteric; though beginners may sometimes become confused, like William J, until they gain experience at interpretation. M teaches that because the I-Ching 'tracks' the flux of Chi in one's life every answer the I-ching gives will incorporate a perspective of ALL the energies surrounding one, therefore it teaches us wisdom about oneself within one's destiny as well as advises what is the best action to take. As such it illuminates our own personal perspectives on our self and our condition and is much, much more than simply a form of divination.
As Puretongue has said, we can often subconsciously impose our desires and needs and interpret ANY type of divination incorrectly - it would be wrong then to blame the I-ching for an apparently wrong answer when one is confused by the vortex of happenings which are imploding upon one and this is why it is essential to keep a magical diary of one's casts, interpreations and outcomes. As the energies pass, with hindsight, the true meaning of any cast is often revealed and I know from personal experience just how accurate and powerful the I-Ching is. Marabas enthuses others to work the I-ching for themselves on a regular basis for the smaller every-day questions and by doing this one is not only guided but one obtains really valuable experience in interpretation so that when the BIG questions come up you are less likely to mis-read the results. This is why Marabas offers out his I-Ching reading service [www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/chingdiv.htm ]for people wise enough to realise that for the really big decisions it is a good idea to have him do you an objective reading.
[BTW: The Willhelm Baynes I-Ching is available from the S.A. Goto www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm and scroll down the A-Z list to I-Ching/Book of Changes.] BB Denise W
 
Topic     I-Ching Divination/incense query     posted by Rob User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 09:33 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 09:14 AM      
 
Hi William J,
 
The I-Ching is an astounding book which is very deep and can only
have been written by true initiates. IMHO, there are some good books
'on' the I-Ching, but only the Wilhelm-Baynes is the real thing in English.
I had some experiences like yours when starting out with the oracle but
in all cases, given time, even the glitches were positive. I suspect you
may feel trapped in your job or insecure, and going on the oracle's advice
you stepped out beyond your comfort zone and that is something which you may
take pride in. If you're a good, solid employee, your employer now knows
you aren't satisfied and may make things better too. Take the interview
experience as just that, experience. Learn from it. It may be the first step
on a new path and stop you from being rusty.
Even if the I-Ching had no supernatural element at all (which I can assure
you it does) it is a wonderful, bolstering text full of good advice on living
a right, courageous life.
If you have not done so, please
check out Marabas' Instant I-Ching Guide
also available with the SA's I-Ching coin set, and follow his instructions
on how to do a short ceremony/meditation. This will help....Rob.
 
ps. Readers from the SA: Does the SA still sell an I-Ching incense ?
 
 
 
[INFOBURST: Yes Rob, we still produce our exclusive I Ching Incense (stockcode B324N ) complete with charcoals to burn it on. It's really amazing stuff - I find it increases my perception and focus markedly. You can order on-line at
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/incenses.htm - scroll down the A-Z list and hit the buy-now button. BB Denise W]
 
Topic     RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations     posted by Puretongue User
posted on February 25, 2008 at 11:18 AM      
 
I've used the I Ching on and off over the years. But not with much consistency until recently.
 
Looking back through my diary at the hexagrams and text which answered my queries years ago I can now see they were good advice, even though I mis-interpreted them at the time. Sometimes that was because I wanted another answer, and so interpreted the text in that light. Sometimes because I wasn't familiar enough with the concepts underlying the text.
 
Incidently, I once watched a chap whose business was failing, consult the I-Ching for advice on the "right thing to do." He followed the advice and things went poorly for him. However, what he'd really wanted to know when he asked the question was "What should I do to get out of this mess?" Doing the "right" (i.e. honourable) thing - paying his debts etc. - didn't help him escape.
 
You should always bear in mind the limitations of interpretation, and the frame which the question sets on the advice.
 
Topic     I-Ching Divination/Translations     posted by William J. User
posted on February 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM      
 
I tried Tarot cards many years ago, several decks, lots of books
but my self-readings never had any validity. More recently my
interest in Taoism and Zen has led me to explore the I-Ching
and upon reading through the Wilhelm-Baynes translation I was
really psyched up that I could be onto the real deal as far as divination
is concerned, a book that's been used for thousands of years, however,
a few months back I was stuck whether to apply for a job partly
as doing so would let the cat out of the bag as far as my present
employer was concerned but my I-Ching reading was positive
about going for the job. I also asked several questions about
my suitability and the interview's likely outcome, etc: all positive.
BUT after attending the interview I got a rejection letter and my
'faith' in the Yi was instantly dashed. I've only asked a few minor
questions since and my answers feel like they're as hollow
as fortune cookie predictions, vague and could relate to anything.
Previously I felt assured that the I-Ching was very reliable, even like
a friend and mentor. Now I am wondering if it's all bunk, or maybe the
Wilhelm version is flawed. Are there better translations ? I've looked
around the internet on this question and it seems there is a split two
camp opinion where there are hard-core Wilhelm-only users, and
anti-Wilhelm who seem largely to use versions by Alfred Huang and
Stephen Karcher. Are these versions any good, or just cash generators
for new age authors ?
 
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Topic     RE: i-ching hexagram talismans     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM      
 
Yes Kimbal and once you have meditated on the 64 hexagrams you will know which one to use. Good Luck
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     i-ching hexagram talismans     posted by kimball User
posted on August 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM      
 
Can i-ching talismans work for a building or a place as well as for a person.eg placing the talisman some wear in a room to protect it from intruders.
 
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Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 01:54 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:57 AM      
 
I used the SA Chaosphere cassette which is available from their website. click here and then scroll down the page to Chaosphere Cassette
I haven't invited him in because I'm too shy to approach him and i fall too pieces when i see him
There is hope though I the OEXP's i was recommended have really help a lot and I'm continuing to use them. It really is a case of having to step out of my comfort zone and sort myself out. As i said the Magick worked just fine no complaints there.
 
 
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on The Chaosphere Cassette go:
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Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by UVRAY User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM      
 
YOU ARE A STAR ! so please would you recommend a sigil spell for us poor creatures who need to attract a specific man??
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM      
 
you mean he has fallen in love with you and that is why he is standing outside your house, singing etc??
Why not just go outside and INVITE HIM IN?????
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM      
 
you mean he has fallen in love with you and that is why he is standing outside your house, singing etc??
Why not just go outside and INVITE HIM IN?????
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 07:29 PM      
 
Seems to be the situation anyway. The chaosphere tape would appear to have worked, the failure is in my inability to act on the results. I'm now working to amened that.
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by stargirl User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM      
 
you mean you succeeded in getting him?? he's outside your house so you can't get rid of him?
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by stargirl User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM      
 
you mean you succeeded in getting him?? he's outside your house so you can't get rid of him?
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by stargirl User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM      
 
you mean you succeeded in getting him?? he's outside your house so you can't get rid of him?
 
Topic     RE: Don't bother with love spells!!!     posted by misterloverman User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 02:01 PM      
 
I don't get the impression adepts would pine away for ppl who don't fancy them!
 
Oh yes they do!Or rather in the stages before adepthood they did! To claim otherwise is to presume they were never in the human condition and that they are incapable of love.!! Love can strike anyone at any time. How one deals with the situation and ones feelings is another matter and that is where adepthood would come into its own. Romantic problems are pointers and experiences in life that an 'incipient' adept will be initiated through - how would he or she be able to understand others without learning from this, and other equally challenging experiences?
 
Topic     RE: Don't bother with love spells!!!     posted by greenclover User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:39 PM      
 
I was really sorry to hear that none of your workings were successful. Have you consulted Marabas? If there is anyone whio can help, HE CAN!! Do you think it is just a matter of right spell/right belief?
 
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Topic     has anyone used a lovespell/sigil which     posted by greenclover User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:37 PM      
 
ACTUALLY WORKED?? I.E. THEY ATTRACTED & WON THE SPECIFIC MAN??
 
I ask because no one seems to have posted on this............
 
Topic     has anyone used a lovespell/sigil which     posted by greenclover User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:37 PM      
 
ACTUALLY WORKED?? I.E. THEY ATTRACTED & WON THE SPECIFIC MAN??
 
I ask because no one seems to have posted on this............
 
Topic     RE: Don't bother with love spells!!!     posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 04:28 AM      
 
After reading the OEXP's that are recommended below I'm starting to see your point of view here. Personal power seems to be something I find far more appealing than desperate longing for someone. I tried a few of the techniques and although it's early days yet i found then very effective, is that whats referred too as feyness? never really got what was meant by that term
BTW isn't part of magickal training learning to control the emotions anyway? I don't get the impression adepts would pine away for ppl who don't fancy them!
 
Topic     Don't bother with love spells!!!     posted by misterloverman User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:28 AM      
 
Everyone will have their own views but my experience is that any love spell directed at a particular person is likely to fail or else be unsatisfactory!
 
I remember going through every conceivable idea and action to attain someone who on reflection simply was not interested! There is a energy polarity between two people and when one psychically knows that they have the natural advantage and all of the power there is generally no incentive on their part to be involved - call it human nature, but we all love the unattainable!! Many many years later the person turned up, long after it really mattered, with the offer I had always dreamed of. Problem was,by that time she had two children and was looking for any mug - and better than me? A little meditation and contemplation of all the events that led up to that moment showed me in great detail that she was cruel, manipulative and heartless without equal, and it occured to me what a lucky escape it had been that she had never wanted me prior to that! Some people are bad and if not bad in every way, then in this life they are bad for you and that is why the gods never let you have that person - even when you feel certain that they are the one for you!
 
In my case it was not even a matter of looks or personality (I had plenty of both - hope I still do?) but a lack of worldly power and money ( These days I have plenty of both!!).In those days I was a mug but these days I am not ( Getting the picture!!?).The proposition was on her terms, which I doubt I would have accepted even at the height of my infatuation with her anyway, or in all likelihood not for long? We forget that it is easy to fall out of love as it is to fall in love with someone!
 
As things transpired the tables had completely turned and by that time I didn't want her. In a funny sort of way I still love her and it would be dishonest to myself if I denied it, but it is all rooted in a long painful and horrible experience of unrequitted love that I could have avoided if I had exerted my will power more than I did. History is full of failed love affairs and secret infatuation, you are in the company of millions. Welcome to the club!
 
It was a hard lesson but it taught me that you cannot make someone love you even if on face value it appears that they should.It also showed me that one should refrain from attempting to influence anothers will, whether by magick or by more conventional means.Life has a rhythm and momentum of its own, it takes you all your time to be able to dance to it without having to force another to follow your own steps.
 
My real advice is to accept the situation. Forget it and will to move on if you have already given it your best shot with no result.
 
Good luck
BB
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 03, 2008 at 08:47 PM
edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:44 AM      
 
Posted by anon - >> most beginners shy away from the very complexity which is required to achieve this success and instead choose simple, often magically inept, spells which demand very little from the operator. The result is nearly always failure because the gods will not respond <<
 
It should be pointed out that not everyone beleives in "Gods."
 
Many a magician believes that he himself is the god of his own subjective universe. The true sorcerer imprints his own will through magic on the material universe.
 
I would also suggest that complexity is also unnecessary and overly complicated intellectualism is a barrier to unleashing the powers of the subconscious mind. Indeed, rather like any artist, the magician seeks to break down overt pragmatism in order to open up a conduit through which our creativity may travel. In Satamism we refer to this, during ritual, as suspension of disbelief or intellectual decompression.
 
It is personal choice if you wish to believe that one's success is reliant upon the co-operation of external deities but I simply wanted to point out that many practitioners of magic do not see it this way.
 
[DENISE ANSWERS: You've misunderstood. It doesn't matter whether the gods exist or not, Anon, BECAUSE THE UNIVERSE BEHAVES AS THOUGH THEY DO - hence to work proper magic one takes account of the existence of the gods, or ignores them at one's peril. The 'many practitioners of magic' you speak of who don't are probably part of the chattering masses in the New Age who Marabas blames for rationalising the mystery of magic and diluting much of the genuine current of magic today. Learning about the formulae of magick is an exercise in logic but it is best not to confuse that with assuming magick is some form of scientific method. Why don't you start a new thread on this subject because it is a crucial difference between genuine initiated magic and the Coffee table variety which fills up most of the other forums on the occult. ]
 
Topic     i have read the previous posts and     posted by LUCKYLADY User
posted on January 03, 2008 at 03:14 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM      
 
wondered does anyone have a sigil magic ritual for love to attract a specific man??
 
Previous workings have failed so am at a loss as to what to do now.
Please do get in touch.
 
 
[INFOBURST: Oh ye of little faith - The Sorcerer's Apprentice INVENTED spell kits over 30 years ago when non existed precisely to help raw beginners to target a man they yearned for. These spellkits have been used successfully by THOUSANDS of people over a quarter of a century. Do you really want your man or don't you? For more information and prices go:
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm ]
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 12:48 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM      
 
Hi, sannymac, You are right, many people will search for a magical spell for love not realising that it demands a transformation in themselves.
However the gods will always require a change in the operator as well a the target. Often the mere act of making up one's mind to use magic constitutes the act of stepping beyond one's comfort zone and sets in motion everything else. You would be surprised at how many people seek a lovespell and then when they discover the price say they can't afford it! The gods detect prevarication of this sort quickly and soon move on to help others who aren't fooling themselves.
Having access to, in my opinion, the BEST love-spell available (Marabas's Spellkit for Love's Desire -
see more details on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm .) is the surest way of doing things because unlike most other spells it will transform the operator as well as the target in a way which brings maximum success.
However if the operant is so shy and retiring that they can't even grasp or maximise the opportunities that the gods create (i.e. can't even say hello when they bump into their man in the street) then all is not lost because as you suspected there are indeed magical ways to overcome shyness and to strengthen and amplify one's personality. A shy person should obtain Marabas's OEXP100 OCCULT CURE FOR SHYNESS / STAMMERING and OEXP103 OBTAINING POWER AND PERSONALITY THROUGH INVOKING ARCHETYPES. Both of these together contain secrets of how to overcome self consciousness and become truly gregarious and entertaining in the company of other people or groups of people. You can download these OEXPs instantly, right now, and read them on your screen (or print out a copy) by going to
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentce.co.uk/occultls.htm and scrolling down the page to OEXP100 and OEXP103.
 
Topic     RE: Thank you Seewanan for     posted by Denise W. User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 12:47 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM      
 
Stargirl, You can find more info on the Chaosphere
tape sannymac recommended on http://www.sorcerers-
apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm Scroll down the page
to Chaosphere Tape and click on the button to
purchase. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by sannymac User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 04:46 AM      
 
Hi Stargirl
I fell for someone so i used th SA Chaosphere tape to try and get him, Afterwards I would see him almost everyday on the street nearly walking into him round corners etc..
He then got a job on a building site across the street from my house! It was getting very uncanny indeed. The problem was I was so shy i couldn't pluck up the courage to speak to him, I let all those opportunities slip bye because i was so unconfident in myself. Sounds like you might be having a similar crisis, maybe Marabas could produce something a spellkit or mini rite that could address this very common problem.
Incidentally my fella now hangs around outside my house drunk at night telling anyone who'll listen that I'm a poof and i fancy him! he's been out there for a Year and a half now, every weekend, the lady protests too much methinks!
Karma eh?!
 
Topic     RE: Thank you Seewanan for     posted by Seewanan User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 03:37 PM      
 
Hey, but that's better still. Why don't you propose to him? N please don't tell me girls should not propose. Yea, u r rite. U dnt need the OEXP I mentioned. I am a novice, and not yet "magically" matured as such. You are in an advantage. Propose straightaway, don't be shy. :) All the best.
 
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Topic     Thank you Seewanan for     posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:20 PM      
 
taking the time to reply to me! That's great! I have found the right man and we are friends but he is shy etc. I want to draw him to me through a spell of sigil magic which I believe in. Any ideas? because I'm not sure that the OXP is strong enough & there is no time to waste.
 
Topic     Thank you Seewanan for     posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:20 PM      
 
taking the time to reply to me! That's great! I have found the right man and we are friends but he is shy etc. I want to draw him to me through a spell of sigil magic which I believe in. Any ideas? because I'm not sure that the OXP is strong enough & there is no time to waste.
 
Topic     RE: **URGENT SIGIL SPELL** NEEDED     posted by Seewanan User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 07:05 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:40 AM      
 
Greetings,
No one can help you without knowing your problem. Why don't you choose a spell from S.A after having meditated for a while, do not act in haste.
At the beginning of this year, I felt desperate too.
And I purchased OEXP51 , and used it. The girl who was running away from me became friendly again. No, she's not my girlfriend, but once we were talking again she told me she was engaged to someone. I just went away, but we still do phone. And believe me, I am not a looser.
 
I don't know details of your problem, but believe me you should try some spell from S.A. And maybe you also need to try an oracle(No I dont use one.
 
Regards
 
Topic     **URGENT SIGIL SPELL** NEEDED     posted by * STARGIRL * User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 04:40 PM      
 
Please can someone help me? I am in a DESPERATE situation & need an urgent, straightforward sigil spell. I am a relative newcomer and all else has failed. I am HEARTBROKEN. I am genuine and therefore would treat any email address with 100% respect. Please will some experienced initiate take pity on me and offer to help?? Thanks a lot, Stargirl xxx
 
Topic     Thanks UVRAY I WOULD BE VERY     posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 01:52 PM      
 
GRATEFUL FOR ANY SIMPLE SIGIL RITUAL YOU COULD GIVE ME. I HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED OILS, CANDLES ETC FROM DENISE SO I HOPE SHE WILL NOT MIND YOUR INSIGHT. LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.
 
Topic     helpful love spells     posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 03:30 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:39 AM      
 
any spell you know so i know what if a girl likes me or not?any spell you know to find your soulmate?
 
[INFOBURST: If you wear Ruthvah Sexual Attractant you will know for sure that women like you because it affects every girl you come into contact with. For more info go:
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm ]
 
Topic     helpful love spells     posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 03:27 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:37 AM      
 
any spell you know so i know what if a girl likes me or not?any spell you know to find your soulmate?
 
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on a the most genuine tried and tested lovespell, go
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm ]
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 05:13 PM      
 
Well, Stargirl, as you see this is not my forum and I don't want to be treading on the toes of those who do own it. Since this forum is a gateway to a commercial venture, out of respect, I will have to wait and see if Denise minds me discussing it.
 
Topic     FOLKS..please somebody help Stargirl !     posted by LILY User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 03:07 PM      
 
she sounds really nice
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 02:17 PM      
 
UVRAY what you have written is absolutely brilliant. Please may I respectfully ask you as I am an absolute beginner, which simple Sigil magic spell would you reccommend to attract a particular man to be deeply in love with me? Currently, he likes me but is shy. I am on benefits so don't have a lot of money for tools etc. I would be extremely grateful to hear from you.
 
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Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:18 PM      
 
That last reply was me again. I forgot to fill in my name.
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:17 PM      
 
The spell kit sounds like a good idea in this case. As you know, Sigil Magic is extremely simple and I think the problem is that many initiates into the use of magic are too often fooled by complicated systems and might think that because it's complicated it must be somehow scientific. It doesn't work that way and simple methods that bypass the natural resistence of our conscious, logical mind are, in my experience, extremely effective. One book I personally like to recommend is Carl Jung's Man & His Symbols. Though this isn't addressing Sigil Magic itself it does address the psychology at work behind it for those who are interested in the study of such things. Of course, there is absolutely no requirement to do so and often keeping one's mind free of clutter is a boon to magic. Personally, with Sigil Magic I have found that with each success belief grows. I have employed it now on numerous occasions and have been numb struck, both by the rapidity in which I have seen the fruition of my desires and in the sheer accuracy of results. After many such successes I now employ it with not "faith" but absolute conviction.
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by Denise User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 09:08 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:36 AM      
 
All magic of whatever style must indeed use symbols (the language of the subconscious). Only via the use of symbols can a person consciously recreate the Self. Marabas's 'high-magick' spell-kit P100
 
(see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm ) actually involves creating a sigil-symbol as a focus for love which is bound between the two dolls used in the kit to represent the lovers and so takes care of this important aspect. This spellkit was one of the first M created back in the 1970s (Marabas invented spellkits) and has a long track record of success. Spellkits have the advantage that newcomers need not embark upon a regime of study in a magical method before working a spell to alleviate an immediate problem.
 
You are correct in that we do have a number of books which cover the creation and use of sigils including Marabas's OEXP003 Naming Ceremony To Consecrate Objects and/or People ( available for immediate download from
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm)
 
M says that there are many different types of love-spell each of which will suit the particular nature and spiritual awareness of the operant. Our experience shows that simple 'rustic' spells are frequently highly successful and it would be a mistake to overlook the fact that, though initiates attempt to control and direct magic, it's force is still miraculous and by qualification cannot be preconceived. One never actually knows how magic works otherwise it wouldn't be magic ( take a look at
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm for real examples of it doing so ). Sometimes magic just works and for beginners the simple spells are worth a try first as being a cost-effective method of beginning to take control of one's destiny. BB Denise W
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 04:20 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:28 AM      
 
One of the simplest and truly effective methods of magic I have found is Chaos Magic, often also referred to as Sigil magic; which I find to be more of an appropriate description for it since it involves the focusing of our desires through symbology. If you consider that our emotions and feelings such as love exist beyond the realm of solid definition it is often difficult for us to focus and animate our desires. By creating a workable symbol out of a concept we help foucus the mind in its ability to draw unto us our desires. I am sure you will find a book on Sigil Magic somewhere at the Sorcerers Apprentice site.
 
 
[INFOBURST: You are right once again UVRAY Marabas has detailed the application of sigils (including the way to incorporate them in a charging ceremony)at length in his Spellkit for Selling Property. and with this framework sigil magick can be applied to virtually any purpose. The instructions and script for the Property Selling Spellkit are obtainable separately from the spellkit itself and can be downloaded instantly right now. For more information go:
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spellins.htm
then scroll down the page to Property Selling Spellkit instructions. BB Denise W
]
 
Topic     RE: I need a lovespell or something     posted by Denise User
posted on December 07, 2007 at 01:29 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:26 AM      
 
Hi Alice,
 
Why don't you telephone Paula on 011x x45139 (44 113 2451309 from overseas) -she'll ask Frater Marabas for you and he will tell you what you need exactly. Alternatively you can check out our free spell sheet on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/magoils.htm which contains hundreds of special concoctions and magical oils and gives the best easy beginners' spells to use them in. There's several for use in love magic and they are quite simple to operate.
 
Of course if you want to use the most powerful form of High Ceremonial Magick then you'll require one of Marabas's ultra-complete Spellkit for Love's Desire. He invented the idea of Spellkits decades ago before the rest jumped on the bandwagon and his has a long track record of success. They include absolutely everything you need, step-by-step instructions, ceremonial script, candles, holders, all the necessary altar equipment, magical philtres, oils and incenses - absolutely everything. Check them out on
 
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm . They aren't cheap but how much is your man worth?
 
If you have any more problems selecting a magical application email me on denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk and give more detail so I can advise in depth.
BB Denise W.
 
Topic     I need a lovespell or something     posted by Alice User
posted on December 07, 2007 at 01:20 PM      
 
I need a lovespell or something but I don't know what. Can anyone advise me?
 
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Topic     Is Marabas ok? He seems to have gone away     posted by Rhiannon User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:46 PM
edited on July 18, 2008 at 12:45 PM      
 
...........My best wishes to him and all of his terrific team.
 
[Infoburst: Only temporarily thank goodness Rhiannon, M will be back in a week or so but as his input is absolutely key to the workings of the S.A. we all get time off when he leaves. :-) BB Denise W. ]
 
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Lady Theorian's Temple. 
 
 
 
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Topic     RE: Lady Theorian's Temple.     posted by Michael. User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 12:09 PM      
 
Hi Steve! So glad things are working out well now.
I feel a strong afinity with you Steve/McParted, I offer
My sincere best wishes in all your endeavors. Maybe Denise is amenable to the concept of storytelling:-( I didn't have the honour of knowing Lady Theorian, but would be intrigued to know of Her:-) A memorium, if you will. Of course, there may be good reason why it should not be written, perhaps later, when things are entirely stable?
May Serenety shine...
 
Topic     RE: Lady Theorian's Temple.     posted by Mcparted User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 10:04 AM      
 
Oh sorry again for the late reply, hotmail keep changing their login, so my pop scanner is less than useless, and things have been moving at breakneck speed now
 
Not upset at all Michael in fact I'm glad you brought it up, no way did I mean any offence by that post, the last people I want to be upsetting are fellow occultists, we are few in number, and have enough on our hands defending ourselves against society.
 
naughty little elemental's playing pranks should have been reeled in now the temple is fully working once more.
 
It takes some getting used to having to cram so many different things in a day, but now my rituals come easy, and I do rejoyce her passing now, because I'm certain she is there guiding me along and protecting me
 
thanks for bringing all this up, and I hope that I can post some good news in the coming years - Steve
 
Topic     RE: Lady Theorian's Temple.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM      
 
Greetings Steve. I am so sorry to have upset you at this time. Dear
Lady Theorian must have forseen, that you must ' Fight for it' I totally believe your words, Steve, I sense love. Brother, someone is dopple ganging rights to your Dear Lady's Temple. Don't worry.
I'll look into this, shan't bother you again. Very best wishes in your endeavors. I offer friendship. Take care, Michael.
 
Topic     RE: Lady Theorian's Temple.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 01:16 AM      
 
Greetings Steve.
Apologies if I upset you at this delicate time. I made no accusation, as said, I was/am puzzled. I believe you immediately upon reading your words. Another entry was made on another site.
There have been other issues with this site, occultists being a strange bunch, now I understand you Steve, I apologise for any distress caused. I will resolve the problem.
Blessings, servant of Light.
 
Topic     RE: Lady Theorian's Temple.     posted by changing.redcarAThotmail.co.uk User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 02:50 PM      
 
Nope I never posted it anywhere else
My name is Steve my user name is Mcparted, I don't have multiple names on forums.
The gaps in posts are because I don't get much spare time at present, certainly not enough to go posting round other forums, under other names the idea is laughable, have you not thought maybe someone else cut and pasted it, elsewhere where people knew Marcia.
 
I did ask about her knife of the art not long back I did so because she bought it from the SA, so thought that was the best place to ask that Q.
 
Why not post it weeks after my last post, It's called an update.
It was posted here originally because I was asked to.
 
Whats wrong with buying a working witch's temple to secure it's future.
Buying a property takes time, It's not like buying a bag of shopping, that's without the nightmare of everything being in probate nothing was secure till my name was finally on the deeds
.
Why did I do it, because my dying girlfriends last words on the temple on the day she died were "fight for it", don't let it fall into enemy hands.
 
I'm aware that the temple is within one's self I will probably be putting it into a trust eventually, no rush now I have fulfilled my promise.
I'm sure the OTO paid something for their gang hut, as indeed the SA do with Burley road, so I cannot understand why there is even an issue here.
 
The update was more about what's happening with the living than the dead, It's easy to rejoice some distant occultist dying, but when it's your girlfriend it's a bit different, and I never rejoiced then I was gutted, we passed her over, but it doesn't mean you have to like it, even for occultists, the closer you are to someone the more it hurts.
 
Bearing in mind that Marcia goes back to the early days of the SA, so why would I NOT post the events on their forum.
 
Anyway peace love and brown rice
Steve
 
Topic     Lady Theorian's Temple.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 10:10 AM      
 
I don't wish to be innapropriate, but am confused. Didn't you say
this on another site, under a different name? Now you've bought it? Why post here, 3-4 weeks after the other posts? Anyway, it was
A week or so later, Zardoz,who founded the U.S. Boleskine Abbey, entered stage 4 of our, Thelemite meditation, going to sleep after a long battle with cancer, He died at 4.18p.m. (The number of completion of The Great work. Also, Major General McMurty, U.S. army, Head of The U.S.A. O.T.O. did depart around this time.
Blessed Be Their ascention, Our world is better for having known them. "A Feast for life, and a greater feast for Death! Feast! Aye,
Rejoice! There is no dread hereafter; There is the dissollution, and eternal ecstacy in the kisses of Nu!" Liber Al vel Legis.
 
Topic     RE: Lady Theorians Temple     posted by Mcparted User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 07:24 PM      
 
Well sorry I've been so long updating this thread
The temple is now secure, I bought it.
 
Work has been done to secure the shell, as Marcia was less than practical, now we are ready to rock
 
I'm surprised how well stocked she was, and how much occult knowledge, she had passed down to myself, anyway I look forward to many happy years working now that the physical graft is coming to an end.
The only thing is, it breaks my heart coming across her workings, though I realise I have to finalise workings that have came to completion, it still throws me a bit.
 
Steve
 
Topic     RE: Lady Theorians Temple     posted by Mcparted User
posted on March 12, 2008 at 10:26 PM      
 
Thanks Denise
Marcia sure kept me from falling for self ego, she also learned me how to deal with the media which were always sniffing round.
 
Many of the spew age witches tried to be louder and prouder, even down to copying Marcia's house by painting their houses up to say "hey we are here too".
Often they said they were her, because of her reputation.
 
Marcia on the other hand had streams of people begging for readings, and the said new agers wanting to pay for training lol.
 
The god squad never thought much of her, often god graffiti would appear on her posters, though to be fair - not all, mostly the born agains were behind it.
 
She was very down to earth, with a large West Yorkshire accent, I'd ask how she was and the answer was something like "champion", we did a funeral the occult community would be proud of and never weakened to just go through with any old funeral
 
Her file system is as chaotic as mine so it's going to be some time before I can get everything together, other than my own paintings on the easel nothing has changed, though Marcia was one of the best naive artists I know, her work captured an age of innocence.
 
Anyway I will keep you posted to how things are
BB Steve
 
Topic     RE: Lady Theorians Temple     posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 12:19 PM      
 
The news of MarciaŽs death was a sad loss to us all here. She had been a client of the S.A. and a friend of Marabas for nearly thirty years, was regularly in touch with each of us. Marabas well remembers her calling in to the shop for a chat in the good old days when the S.A. was open for browsing. Above all M says he remembers her completely down to earth and genuine sincerity about occult things - a far cry from the many self-appointed high priestesses who pepper the New Age at the moment. Good people but with occult substance often in inverse ratio to their egotism. M introduced Lady Theorian to Frater BB who, amongst many other achievements conceived and drew the unique InitiatesŽ Tarot for the S.A. and together they did sterling work to develop their own special paths. It will be a challenge for you to coalesce her work and temple but we know you will not be short of the effort and committment required to do so. Long may the gods shine light upon their memories. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Lady Theorians Temple     posted by McParted User
posted on March 06, 2008 at 09:14 AM      
 
Well as those in the know are aware of, sadly she died.
I find myself the keeper of a witches temple, there is so much occult workings in here I don't know where to start lol
 
I put a few photographs of one or two her oil paintings on flickr, it's a small start.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/24001943@N07/
 
Next I'm looking at a way of preserving the temple for as long as possible, it's hard work when you are grieving a lost love.
 
BB Mcparted
 
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Topic     RE: l.o.t - reissues     posted by Paul User
posted on December 31, 2008 at 04:19 PM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 10:17 AM      
 
Yeah would be nice to see L.O.T. again. I have a few issues from past, but would be nice to see re-issues, because some of the articles were really helpful and insightful.
 
Happy New Year to all!
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi Paul, and reciprocal greetings for the New Year ev. M refrains from setting on new staff specifically for a single project because he knows from experience that the gods will just open up more and more doors and there is always the danger of diluting the current of magic at the S.A. It is no secret that M edited all the LOTs and they contain his wu-wei as well as the combined current of the S.A. along with the destiny of some of the best occultists of that generation who all contributed crucial articles.
 
As you probably know, back issues of all the LOTs are available in photocopied form and several really important issues are available in printed form, so the knowledge and insight from that period can still be shared by people today, so no loss. We do have plans for digitising every back issue and putting it on our website for instant download but M says that completing all the ideas in his project book would require a cast of thousands and the discipline of having to focus on what is immediately and realistically obtainable is probably a good thing. ;-) BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     l.o.t     posted by kimball User
posted on December 12, 2008 at 05:29 PM      
 
has marabas ever thort about hiring some people soly to work on l.o.t. in a seperate department. it may get some issue's finaly done and allow you guy's to get on running the s.a.
 
Topic     RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 02:09 AM      
 
Hi Karen. Actually, they are endowed with conciousness, a spirituality if you will. I created one, to perform specific tasks, it would reply to me, i.e: speak. When its work was finished, so was its existance, so, no turning on it's creator.
Does it need be an Adept? The endowment of conciousness of an Astral entity, is a lesson learned pre-Adept, in Tibbetan Bhuddist studies. The further arts were performed after I achieved union with my H.G.A: became an Adeptus minor, within. Yes, I'd imagine it should only be attempted by Adeptii, to be certain of no errors.
I've read the previous comments in this thread, and, see the same old problem, accentuated in modern days: There are a lot of people needing guidance, and too few Adeptii to serve. So I've been ignoring a lot of questions, referring people to study, ask S.A. as
certain esoteric knowledge suitable for the querant, could be misunderstood, or accidentally misused by the practitioner.
Although you didn't ask a question Karen, after previous comments, I thought I'd give some safe comments, as you found out the basics yourself. If people give specific questions, which I can answer safely, as explained, it could ease the apparently very busy S.A. burden. Love, Light, Love and liberty to All.
 
Topic     RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.     posted by Karen User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 12:13 AM      
 
I have a vague idea what golems are generally, i.e. a human-created creature, usually constructed by a very spiritually adept person, made from clay or other inanimate material: this is probably where the basic idea of Frankenstein's monster came from. I've heard that they lack a spiritual conscousness, and usually cannot speak. Some legends about them, in fact, describe them as turning on their creators eventually, as in the Frankenstein story. My question was about the specific character referred to in earlier posts in this thread, since the picture in the link below wouldn't come up on my laptop screen on the first several tries. I was just wondering if he was some sort of office "mascot", since I haven't yet read any issues of the aforementioned magazine...
 
Anyway--I found a fairly good Wikipedia page on said creature at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem , if anyone wants to check it out, critique it, whatever...
 
Topic     Golem's Gossip     posted by Alan User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 08:40 PM      
 
Hi Karen,
 
Golem's gossip was a regular column in the Lamp of Thoth where Golem was
very naughty and spilled the beans on a lot of deserving targets, etc.
As Denise has said, Golem had his finks and I'm sure many folks out there
are breathing easier for the moment that he's still nailed away in his coffin
(for now...)
...Hilarious ! Treat yourself to a back issue of LOT some time for the
experience. LOT 24, the red issue is superb.
 
Best regards, Alan.
 
Topic     RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 05:46 PM      
 
I applaud Karen for asking, we cannot all afford to buy lots of books and hope that some of the more knowledgable out there may offer help and guidance rather than critisize people for asking.
 
Topic     RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 03:33 PM      
 
Tuition Re: Karen post on April 4th '08, on sex and magick thread.
 
Topic     RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.     posted by Karen User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 01:37 AM      
 
Tuition? I simply said the picture wasn't coming up yesterday. Just had a look at it a minute ago, however...
 
Topic     RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 03:50 PM      
 
Dear Karen, you're popping up all over the shop asking for tuition. I thought a forum was a place to exchange viewpoints?
As a Thelemite, the emphasis is on solo working, study, study and more study. If the fates decide, ( Or get nagged so much, in your case, ho-ho) You will find a Guru. 'Til then, study,work.
S.A. is a bookstore. Find; How to create Elementals. Then, How
to create a Golem.
Moral duty fulfilled.
Toodle-pip!
 
Topic     RE: lamp of thoth     posted by Karen User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 03:05 AM      
 
What sort of critter is Golem? I can't seem to get the pic to come up on my laptop, I'm afraid...
 
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Topic     RE: lamp of thoth/Golem     posted by Alan User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 01:41 AM      
 
Yes, Golem was the best !
Nice to see his pic on the forum.
 
Thanks,
Alan.
 
Topic     RE: lamp of thoth     posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:56 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 09:17 AM      
 
How is Golem these days ? What a guy !
 
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[Infoburst: Golem? Golem! Don't mention that putrid bag of bones to me. I well remember him rattling around the office sticking his boney digits into everything he could to write that snide column of his. When I first started here one of my jobs was to stamp out the 'I'm A Golem's Fink' badges he sent to his informants. Ha. The information still comes in but we've nailed him back in his coffin until the Editor says otherwise. ;-) ] (Click here to see a pic of Golem)
 
 
Topic     lamp of thoth     posted by kimball User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 01:04 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 09:43 AM      
 
is the s.a still producing new issues of the lamp of thoth.
 
 
 
 
[Infoburst: Well, kinda, the people who edit, format, write and produce the LOT are by and large the same ones that run the SAFF which is just so busy and makes so many demands on their time that LOT26 is l-o-n-g overdue. There is a standing arrangement whereby people with existing subscriptions can transfer their credit to other goods at the S.A. if they like but most are just waiting patiently. The only back-copies of the LOT which are now available are LOT13, LOT24 (The Red Lot) and LOT25. You can see background on these and order them on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lotmag.htm if you haven't got them in your library. I particularly recommend The Red Lot. M does have plans to digitise all back issues and put them out on the net for instant download but things are so busy that this will not be in the immediate future. BB Denise W.]
 
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Topic     RE: Liber 777 How to understand     posted by revrev User
posted on October 27, 2009 at 04:10 PM      
 
For me, the easiest method came from just reading the tables. One day, sooner than you may suspect, it will fall in place. I had the burst of insight that said "So THAT'S how it works!" when I noticed how each column correlates to the others of the same position on all the charts. Your difficulty is not unusual. I have not consulted 777 in some time and I know that I will have to go through the learning cycle again. So just keep reading it and it will become clear.
Blessings!
revrev
 
Topic     777     posted by Valazebek User
posted on October 10, 2009 at 12:10 AM      
 
Greetings Bother/Sister;
The system of tables; as in conjunction with knowledge of otz chim; the tree of life-hebrew-
Gives much knowledge-Let us say;
You have prepared your
Magickal weapons; and wish to perform
a Magickal Invocation
of Mercury; The God, that He may bring knowledge ---
777 Gives the needed keys; I.E. Colours; incenses, Holy
Names; In accord with the laws of the universe; as read in
the invocations of an entity; knowing not the language or meaning; Yet raising such an 'Spirit' WILL occur.
Such is the knowledge within 777. That using the corelations;
is the way to successsful Magick.
Hope this aids You in Your Path;
V
 
Topic     Liber 777 How to understand     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on July 19, 2009 at 03:34 PM
edited on July 23, 2009 at 08:48 AM      
 
Hi
 
Can someone give me some simple way to understand this book, how to use it?
 
Thanks
 
 
[INFOBURST: The first part of the book is based on a numerical system related to the Cabbalistic spheres and paths of the tree of life. By locating the numbers of the spheres and paths on the tree glyph you can map out the powers, influences, objects, symbols etc appropriate to Practical Cabbalah.
 
You will find our Tree of Life Charts P6008 of inestimable help in both understanding and using Liber 777 to conduct your rites. BB Denise W]
 
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Topic     Lol     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 02:04 PM      
 
lol Winter Snake, the materialist are quick to call people crazy. but they follow a logic and it is easy to find the parameters of there argument and stay within them. New Age Waffle. Now thats more tricky and i tend to watch my words.
Cheers for the comments Dennis.
Good Luck
 
Topic     denise comment     posted by winter_snake User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 10:20 AM
edited on April 18, 2008 at 04:03 PM      
 
On one note has marabas writen a oexp on how to shutdown the spychic scensor yet.
 
[Denise Replies: Yes, wintersnake, regular use of the centering exercise of the Rosy Cross Rite does exactly that (see Marabas's OEXP034 on www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm [ scroll down page to OEXP034]) along with this he always recommends hard physical work or exertion, avoidance of any music or TV (which can put the mind into a more sensitive alpha state). He says sleep is an amazing healer for this problem and the use of natural sleep-aids such as vervain and valerian should also be considered. Marabas has also penned a powerful self-exorcism rite (OEXP028 ) which he inaugurated in order to avoid people who had got themselves into deep psychic trouble, defaulting through lack of knowledge into the clutches of idiots in the clergy who might make matters worse (there are at least two occasions when so-called 'exorcism' by priests has resulted in someone being killed) and who knows how many have been pushed over the edge unnecessarily. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     hands tentacles     posted by winter_snake User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 10:18 AM      
 
Be carfull when talking to meterialist's about your exsperience and your occult interest's in the same conversation. Most the the time they will try to link the two together. And say that your missguided interest lead to your exsperience.
 
Topic     RE: Loosing my refrence points     posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 02:52 PM      
 
Thanks for that RiceNpeas, Marabas teaches that the world of normality exists solely because of the functioning of the psychic censor which focuses our thoughts and reduces the multanimous input from other dimensions/worlds which permanently surround us. It is one of the main purposes of occultism to teach methods of removing and reinstating the psychic censor so that the magician or witch can enter and experience other worlds and realities. The Psychic censor can be removed in many ways other than by ritual method (stroke, violent shock, siezure, fit, physical accident, emotional breakdown or / and the use of drugs. Once the censor is removed there is indeed no 'map of self' remaining to which we can feel anchored and so we are vulnerable to multanimous astral input which sends the 'I' off into unfathomable experiences such as you describe. The key of course is to have some method of re-instating the psychic censor and thus 'normality'. Memories are permanently 'burned' into the senaptic tracks in the brain, ready for recall which often requires the stimulation of one or more of the senses (ie. perfumes, sounds, sights, symbols etc) which was associated with each memory. Hence the magician's use of perfumes, sounds, symbols. Once the psychic censor has been moved it is easier to move it again under will, and then it becomes a psychic
'gift' to achieve trance states and visions. Marabas says that the rise in 'mental illness' today are often a result of the no-holds-barred fantasy which the media expose us to. Yesod is the gateway to the astral world thus it is a small step for the consciousness to travel from horror on film to horror in the mind. Without the necessary conscious control over our emotions, ambitions and fears (which genuine occult
systems teach) more people are loosing themselves in Yesod. The solution is not to censor
fantasy but to teach people how to manipulate and control it within themselves. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Loosing my refrence points     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 02:39 PM      
 
I am straying from the beginners section here and have just started to PRACTICE Magick. I have been wanting to post for a while, but i try not to ask questions and can only offer a Neophytes experiences. so here goes.
From my early teens to mid 20s i stuffed myself with physcodelics and heavy depressants. it did not work out to well but i have a lot of experiences to draw from. 1 of the most terrifing was the loss of all my refrence points. This is very hard to explain but i just did not KNOW. My brain then kick in trying despratly to make sense by naming the stuff around me. it focused on my hands and patheticaly named them tenticals in a hope it would brng sanity to to the situation. and fair play it did. This repeated for years sometimes whilst on mild/strong hallecagenics sometimes in the pots and pans world. once in my English class for long moment. Freaky. As i have got older the experience is almost gone unless i stare at my hand and think tenticals. then i get a little closer.
 
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Topic     RE: C.o.S-Thelemite magazines.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 03:23 AM      
 
Thanks for link; Well O Well!
WOW! What I can only call the mindset, or psycho-spiritual objectives are the same as Thelema!
I would imagine that Crowley is out of the equation , to declare
C.o.S as an entirely different entity? Don't know.
I mentioned a magazine, writings of present day Thelemites, I'm not so sure you'd want it, now I've read C.o.S. Whatever;
Discovered statement that the magazine was withdrawn, after abuse.
I imagine stuff was being (sold?) published illegaly.
I'd actually imagine you're quite content where you are!
Best wishes.
 
Topic     RE: Lucifer/Abramelin, etc     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 08:14 PM      
 
Greetings All;
To those involved in writing this thread, indeed any readers, did
anyone else experience an unexpected effect from this work?
Actually, explanation may be an esoteric step too far.
Thanks.
Best to All.
D.
 
Topic     C.o.S-Thelemite magazines.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 03:33 PM      
 
Many thanks, Graham, I'm looking forward to this!
I doubt your treading on any toes, D.L. might be pleased that a genuine Thelemite wants to understand, perhaps a a time of fuller co-operation may occur. (If it seems fitting, I'll pop a token donation to C.o.S.) In this spirit of co-operation, I enjoy reading an Arizona based O.T.O. lodge magazine, they write articles, no books to download, no items to sell, they offer this free. I'm waiting for Frater Seahorse-catfish to come down from a mountain He's currently living on, to conclude a three part story; so far: Hitler's transmigratory beam has been tampered with , by those gosh darn
Lemurians, and He finds himself living in late 1800,s San Francisco, as a transvestite gay, which he considers,....well, I
have diffuculty understanding 'ordinary' humour, yet find this hilarious! Also potent esoteric truths are slipped in.
Only those of medium grade would understand, therefore persevere with the unique articles,No copyright/other issues with S.A., so I'll check with them, and give you the link. A favour for a favour,
if you will. Thanks again, enjoy your weekend, (or not, as you will!) Best wishes, D.
 
Topic     Satanic articles archive     posted by Graham User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 06:47 AM      
 
Greetings D,
 
Link below to an online archive from Dark Lily magazine.
DL ran from 1987 to 1995(?) and was my own introduction
to Satanism. DL also provided the appendix on Satanism
for the SA's Occult Census. A very fresh and original
take on Satanism was always presented in the magazine.
Kind Regards, Graham.
 
http://geocities.com/societyofdarklily/sodlmss/sodlmenu.htm
 
ps. I have no way of knowing if DL consented to this online
archive and apologise if I'm treading on toes by posting the
link - G.
 
Topic     Lucifer.     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 02:34 PM      
 
Greetings Graham, and thankyou. 'That, detective, was the right answer.' I understand. Some key words, now I shall expand; why?
Beyond this Graham, I have glanced at Lavey's work, performed
a core ritual, yet am missing something, I can't get the point,
seriously Brother, I have no issues with C.o.S. I want to understand, not understanding something annoys me.
I have written a brief outline of Thelemic structure on the A.Crowley thread, would you do me the honour, of describing able,
what you will concerning structure, aims and method.
I'm missing the point, Graham, and would appreciate, as perhaps many others would, a clarification of this system. Sincerely.D.
 
Topic     Lucifer/Abramelin, etc     posted by Graham User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 08:23 PM      
 
The New Teatament verse which is used to make Lucifer become
satan is Luke 10:18:
"I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven".
which corresponds to Isaiah 14, as cited by JK.
Lucifer was a Roman God, similar to the Greek Phospheros.
The first use of Lucifer in the Bible was in the Latin Vulgate
to translate Isaiah, as said. Previously no Christian identified
Lucifer as the devil. This translation started that, and the
New testament verse cited above was used to show that this was
the 'same' event in the OT and NT (!)
 
A question: If Jewish holy writ has no Lucifer, why do the Jewish
grimoires such as Abra-melin have him as one of the Four infernal
Princes ? This is the basis also of the four Elemental Princes
in Satanism where Lucifer = Air, the East, Enlightenment.
 
- Graham
 
Topic     Bible and Magick     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 12:56 PM      
 
Hi ONU,
 
I don't have a set opinion on the Bible to be honest. I did
make it my New Years resolution in 2000 to read it right through
(Man, was that heavy going ! Took me 6 months though I had planned
to take 4). At the time I was a Church of Satan member and thought
it would be good to have some Bible knowledge. I really enjoyed it
as it led to study of many areas I wouldn't otherwise have gotten
into.
 
I know Marabas sometimes advises use of Psalms for example in Root
magic or Talismans. have you ever used such, or know of uses of
the Bible in Magick. I have a book I bought a long time ago but
shelved it at the time: Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses. (I will
start a new thread I think)Have you seen this or used it ?
 
Best regards, JK
 
Ishtar-Lucifer. posted by ONU.
posted on June 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM Reply to this Message
Hi JK, you certainly know your Bible!
 
Topic     Eostre/Ishtar     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 12:39 PM      
 
Hi Anonymous,
 
in answer to your comments re Saxon Goddess Eostre,
I think She is synonymous with Ishtar, as with Ostara and others.
In the musty academic literature on European Paganism, apparently
there is only mentioned once in Old English literature, and that was by the Christian scholar the Venerable Bede (679-735). In his work De Temporum Ratione, Bede says that April was called Eostremonath, due to the fact that the Heathen Anglo-Saxons worshipped and held ceremonies during that month in honour of Eostre.
The word Eostre was thought to mean East, making her a Goddess of the Dawn.
I am not an expert, just a curious seeker but I think Eostre which
was pronounced Easter, and Ishtar (also pronounced Easter) are
probably the same.
 
JK.
 
 
 
 
RE: Lucifer. posted by Anonymous
posted on June 16, 2008 at 10:42 AM Reply to this Message
Good morning. I always thought the word 'Easter' was derived from the Saxon Goddess EOSTRE who is and was celebrated around the spring equinox.
 
Topic     Lucifer.     posted by ONU User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 11:45 AM      
 
Nuit also says, "To worship me, drink wines, and wines that foam.
 
Topic     Ishtar-Lucifer.     posted by ONU. User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM      
 
Hi JK, you certainly know your Bible!
I have certainty in the existance of 'Infinite mind space' as I
mumbled it to myself for years, before reading 'The Magical Theory of The Universe.' This Infinite mind is concious, an Egyptian form: Nuit, or Nu. (Still half asleep, rambling a bit.) The concrete form
is Babalon; If you consider a sphere, the top half is Nuit,(The Queen of Heaven) the bottom part; Babalon, able to descend below the Abyss, to redeem.
A.Crowley is believed to have recieved transmissions from this Egyptian Trinity, Father, Mother, Child. (Personally, I believe this) The Goddess, Queen of Heaven says "To worship me, burn mine incense unto me under a night sky"(Approx.) Instruction on the preperation of 'cakes of light' is given. Any road up,
Must get to bank, get food.
There are a lot of connections, yet, why, is Lucifer portrayed as male, pointing to Adam Kadmon, with so many Goddess references?
Quite intrigueing, thanks for that JK.
Yes, I knew of the British oestre tradition, apparently there's more!
Best wishes. ONU.
 
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Topic     RE: Lucifer.     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 10:42 AM      
 
Good morning. I always thought the word 'Easter' was derived from the Saxon Goddess EOSTRE who is and was celebrated around the spring equinox.
 
Topic     RE: Lucifer.     posted by JK User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 09:57 AM      
 
Hi ONU,
 
I was thinking about what you said about Lucifer
representing the perfect man and how in Xtian cosmology
this would be Christ as the 2nd or perfected Adam, and to
the Kabbalists, Adam Kadmon.
 
Another Christ/Lucifer/Ishtar connection in mundane life
may be the holiday of Easter which is named after Ishtar.
The Jews did not have Easter but the crucifixion story
happened around passover, corresponding to Easter being known
to the Jews as a neighbouring Pagan festival of Ishtar
from where the eggs of fertility come and possibly also
the hot cross buns ?:
 
Jeremiah 44:19 "And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her.."
 
Best regards,
 
JK
 
Topic     RE: Lucifer = Ishtar     posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 04:31 PM      
 
Thanks to you and to all who replied directly to me on this posting. I am approaching Lucifer as a means of liberation, not Satan as usually promoted in Xtianity - in particular as an embodiment of light/dark - an incorporator of life and beings in all their facets and manifeststion - liberation being, arguably, a transdence of this opposite/polar thinking and being. I will follow up the references and suggestions re:Ishtar, Babalon and the Egyptian pantheon. I appreciate the summary of practices/disciplines given in this thread also. Another line of enquiry might be Blavatsky on Lucifer. Lots for me to think about. Best wishes.
 
Topic     Lucifer.     posted by ONU (Draconuit. User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 02:22 PM      
 
Greetings; Having cogitated on recent info, I'm looking at this vista.
Gods emanations; The ArchAngels, have independent thought, that they do love, an Angel knows only of love, though an Angel may be of Martial nature,He adores The Creator. God's best Angel,
presuming Himself equal, is cast down from The Supernal Heavens.
He must have been a part of sphere 3, The Great Mother, Ishtar-Babalon. As light bearer, His logical station would be at sphere 6; Tiphareth, sphere of The Son/sun.
It is written that, as Lucifer did fall, The Beast did rise, It
had 10 heads,( Spheres on the tree of Life?) and 7 crowns,( Planes on the Tree?) and is also referred to as The Dragon.(technically,
the Dragon with a small voice, or horned Dragon, comes after The Beast, 'finishing off'. Blake's paintings portray The Dragon as destroying The xstian Church. Re: The Bible/W. Blake.)
If we consider sphere 6 as The True Soul of Man, and 'The Beast' as Man at full potential, we have Man. Lucifer being another term for
The Christ-self, The Atman, The Holy Guardian Angel or whatever your belief structure word. That's simply my personal musing on the subject, one viewpoint, 'a bit of a chat' no more. Best wishes.
 
Topic     Lucifer.     posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 10:40 AM      
 
Hi J.K, The Ritual: 'The marriage of Babalon and Lucifer' has been pulled, tucked away.
The concept I get, that Lucifer,as man, The very best of God's independant creations, relates to the Egyptian " Asar-un-Nefer."
This is is the perfected self, inner self of the higher self, the true will. Here, the word 'God', is a stain, an imperfection, and
all illusion must cease, including the illusion of God, for there is only ones-self.
To consider evolution ; Lucifer seems intertwined with 'The Beast'
further/later being identified with the accuser of evil souls, Satan, 'though to my mind, they're different entities.
This forum has clarified that Satan is a Holy force of devine justice, and, as I was just reading, Lucifer, the bright morning
star, is a name for Jesus Christ...also 'Baphomet' is said to
be a later development of Lucifer.
I'm currently content, on the Human relationship angle, to consider Lucifer as The perfection of Man. As Babalon is as Woman
fully empowered, the marriage of these, being a certain symetry.
As a young man, I took two Magickal names, The Luciferian name meaning that human/demon me, controlled and become as of the light.
Taken to the utmost, Asar-un-Nefer, is good enough, though new
information might arise, opening new possibilities. Happy hunting!
 
Topic     Lucifer.     posted by ONU (Draconuit.) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 08:36 AM      
 
Hi J.K, not rambling at all!
Yeh, I've read of 'Lucifer =Christ. Remember, of the 13 dead sea scrolls found, only 5 were used , apparently, ignoring knowledge,E.G. of re-incarnation. Then the translation from Hebrew
was butchered: You can't blame xstianity on Christ!
The ancient city of Babylon; 2,300-612 b.c. was the centre of a flourishing empire, now in Al Hillah; Iraq.
The most popular Goddess of The Assyro-Babylonian Panthean was Ishtar, patron of the famouse Ishtar gate.
She is the counterpart of the Semitic Goddess Astarte, who is, I believe, a Star Goddess.
The Greeks worshipped Her as Aphrodite, and Hera! Aphrodite being Astral, the Daughter becoming into actuality, whereas Hera is a 'High Goddess, spiritual Great Mother, of The Supernal region.
She was worshipped as of fertility, sexuality, but also of war and
death, also she was the guardian of prostitutes,and was worshipped
with sacred prostitution.
Putting this together: If you picture a sphere, the top half could be seen as Nuit, Infinite Space and the Infinite stars thereof, the bottom of the sphere can be seen as the manifestation of Nuit, as Babalon, a concrete form, a Great Goddess, who,having
given birth to All, at Binah, as Great Mother, accepts All,
when the time comes, refusing none. Hence 'the great whore.'
In th 1940's, seven scrolls were found, in Egyptian caves. 'Ishtar' was what we now understand to be Babalon. She dwells
just on the other side of The Abyss, and is actually able to descend below, to redeem. She speaks in profound, above Abyss ways; " I was sired by my husband, who is my son." This does make
sense, from Her point of view. This 4,000 yr. old Goddess, has
at last come into Her own, as Woman in Her full, vibrant potential,
A most relevent Goddess of our New age. To recap: Ishtar, is
alive and becoming ever more Glorious, now known as 'BABALON The Great' 'Our Lady' of Thelemism.
Right on target, there, J.K. I wonder how you pieced it together?
There are some High Thelemites, including Lon Milo DuQuette, who lodge in Arizona. They are mainly of Chesed, The sphere of The Teachers, they write new Rituals, I'll settle down to research, find the ritual; " The marriage of Lucifer and Babalon." I'll write
what I find; I guess these guys will have interesting takes on
this. Nice to know you've got your teeth into something juicy, I
need to know more of this! You sure ain't rambling, fellow seeker,
more later.Light, Life, Love and Liberty to All.
 
Topic     Christ as Morning Star     posted by JK User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 12:02 AM      
 
Hi, Just me rambling again:
Whilst checking my concordance for Lucifer/Morning star I also found these
Bible references to Christ as the Morning Star. Jesus=Lucifer ? A question
for Draconuit, what do you think of the Ishtar/Lucifer theory ? Is there
any correspondence to the Thelemic Nuit or Babalon ?
-JK
 
2Pet.1
[19] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
 
Rev.22
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
 
Topic     RE: Lucifer = Ishtar/Goddess ?     posted by RP User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 09:38 PM      
 
Yep - just as I thought! The postings on this 
Topic are bullshit!! this will piss you but I'm saying nothing! Hehee
 
Topic     Lucifer = Ishtar/Goddess ?     posted by JK User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 09:30 PM      
 
Ishtar is a Goddess, not a God, sorry.
and the morning star is Venus, corresponding
to Aphrodite, Sexual love, etc, so the
Goddess come into it too.
 
JK
 
Topic     Lucifer = Ishtar     posted by JK User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 09:20 PM      
 
Hi Plisskin,
 
My understanding is that Lucifer as a god is actually the
babylonian Ishtar and not connected to 'Satan'. By way
of explanation below:
 
Contrary to the popular xtian myth of the Devil which is not
scriptural, Judaism has no devil, no embodiment of evil who tempts
us. Satan means adversary/accuser as in Numbers 22:22 where
the LORD himself is represented as an adversary (Satan). Same
as in I Samuel 29:4 and II Samuel 19:23, etc.
The idea of Satan as a kind of prosecuting attorney for God comes
from the book of Job which is allegorical, and the word used is
Ha'Satan, a title which refers to a definite being or person, in
this case the angel God uses/allows to test Job, and who NEVER
'rebels' against God. He just does his job in the scheme of things
like the angel of Death.
 
The idea that Lucifer is Satan and they are the same or aspects of
the same, and that they are a 'fallen' angel comes mainly from
Isaiah 14:12, where the 'Bright, Shining Star, Son of the Morning..'
has been translated into the Latin 'Lucifer' meaning Shining One.
The verse refers to the Babylonian King by symbolically linking him
to the Babylonian god Ishtar whom the writers/translators of the Bible
do not name so as to avoid giving him any credence. Also this continued
practice in modern Bibles keeps alive the Fallen angel story.
 
To better understand Lucifer, go to the source who is Ishtar.
 
Best, JK
 
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Topic     Luciferian.     posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 11:00 AM      
 
Hi Plisskin.
I'm incarnate entirely as Thelemite. The Book of The Law, by A. Crowley was transmitted to Him as The Prophet of 3 Egyptian Gods.
It is beautiful, and scary. Much of Crowley's writings seem
dark, scary, to (a) scare off the unworthy. (b) Insure noteriety that His detractors will want His works in print, to show how 'wicked' He was, and (c) to explore the full potential of The God that is within Man. The Religion is profoundly esoteric, with 4 levels of meaning carefully concealed within The Holy Books.
To appreciate them, One should have knowledge of Meditation, contemplation, one-pointedness, The Qaballa, and The procession of Egyptian Gods. An A-Z of Magickal practise may be found in: 'Magick' by A. Crowley. A good book in a decent Magickal library. Some works are full of 'blinds', to conceal the profound
Holy nature within. The moral stance is that each man/woman
discovers their OWN true will, I.E. The True Inner Soul, or Holy Guardian Angel, thereby being in communion with Ones Higher, or God self. At this point of Adepthood, one's vision is clear, and One's true destiny revealed. Obviously a great deal of work then, and for only a specific type.Yet here, you find the joyous release of Woman
liberated, the understanding that We are all light bearers, we
just have to remove the veils, and see The beautiful Star that is within every one of us. Perhaps there is something there for you Plisskin. That's as far as I can go, dear fellow seeker, for we are entirely anti-dogmatic; look at the xstians dogmatic system.
I don't blame xstianity on The Master Jesu, yet I see a foulness, which would not go down too well with any xstian snoops who (Probably are) reading. Out with The Old Aeon, in with The glorious New Aeon! Let us discard our shackles, and stand tall, breathing
deep of The sweetly scented starlight, as more and more of us are born, born to one day be of The Gods!
Love, Light, Life and Liberty to All.
 
Topic     RE: Lucifer     posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 06:59 AM      
 
Me again - and thanks for the responses so far. Would anyone like to suggest some sources for me to look into. I am only aware of Lucifer through reading wikipedia, the Bible and LaVey - I don't recall where I ipickedup on the "Light Bearer" aspect - it might have been Carl Jung or a book on the Sufis. When I asked SA they referred to Blavatsky (who I've never read) and to LHP Practitioners. Any enlightening suggestions gratefully received.
 
Topic     RP's Universal Truth.     posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 11:03 PM      
 
Please, Dear Brother/Sister, explain your viewpoint.
Apparently, most people are 'way off the mark' indicating your
knowledge of a Universal Truth. If you describe Thelemite/O.T.O.
ceremonies, best to check copyright first.
What is this knowledge We cannot understand? Will you at least
attempt to explain your wisdom?
Or do you conceal your knowledge, dissuading others from learning truth, as do many others I have met.
"Hell always begins with the ego."
Awaiting your kind words of wisdom. Thankyou.
 
Topic     Lucifer.     posted by ONU User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 08:09 PM      
 
Hi Pliskin 42.
By chance,(?) I took a similar path, worshiping The Egyptian Sun God; Ra, I identified with the incarnate light-bearer, Lucifer.
Indoctrinated by xstian schools, I had to actively destroy these
warped ideas, these smokescreened fear-control devices created
by xtianity, taking more years than I care to recall, until I could
stand; a free Man, able to view our world in clarity.
Good for you, Plisskin, I don't preach, only state universal truths, historic fact, and, in my belief that you should enjoy your unique path, with aid, not preaching, I'll say no more, as our paths
are close at this juncture, I do not wish to taint your path
with my own conception.
One does confess a certain 'excitement' that you have found this,
and do wish you sincere best wishes in your path.
Love, Light, Life and Liberty to All.
 
Topic     Lucifer.     posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 07:44 PM      
 
Dear R.P.
Would you be so kind as to share your viewpoint, in brief, on
Lucifer? I only know of Lucifer and His story in The Bible, what is the diffuculty?
Have you studied/practised The Exquisitely beautiful Ritual of
The Marriage of Lucifer and Babalon?
It does delight, that, after thousands of years of being reviled, kept in darkness, the now, very pertinant Babalon, and Lucifer
Bearer of Light, are taking their proper place in The Order of things.
Are you talking about the diffuculty deconditioning ones-self from societies norm? Lucifer=Light bearer, a friend to/humanity.
Is this'diffuculty in understanding' similar to misunderstanding The Lord Shaitan,(Satan) who is a Thelemite Deity, Prosecuter for The Crown, giver of knowledge to Mankind, etc. ?A Great and Holy God.
Please do explain, as able, I am always willing to learn, yet
only recall incenses, The Glorious Ritual mentioned,as Lucifer, having been of Humanity, ascends again.
Looking forward to your opinions. Lets Evolve!
 
Topic     RE: Lucifer     posted by RP User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 06:25 PM      
 
unfortunately this is the most misunderstood aspect of occultism - only long serious study will result in what you seek. I would guess that most of the postings will be way off the mark
 
Topic     Lucifer     posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 01:44 PM      
 
I'd be interested in hearing from people about Lucifer. I am interested in developing myself using Lucifer as a focus. From the little I know so far I am defining Lucifer here as an aspect of myself/archetype who is the bringer of light - its liberation I'm after - liberation from my Xist conditioning and for my creative self. I am not into Satanism where this is the opposite of Christianity, I'm not into cursing or posturing - this is a genuine desire on my part to tune into a creative potential in myself. I'd be grateful for any thoughts/comments from those of you out there.
 
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Topic     RE: magical defence against swin flu     posted by kimball User
posted on July 28, 2009 at 11:40 AM      
 
THANKS D
 
Topic     RE: magical defence against swin flu     posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 23, 2009 at 09:09 AM
edited on July 23, 2009 at 09:10 AM      
 
Hi all, I am appending some replies Marabas has given to emails on the subject:
 
 
Apart from the use of Four Thieves Vinegar
(see here) Marabas advises regular
use as soon as symptoms are felt of Biochemic Ferous Phos.x 6 tablets which highly oxygenate the blood and disables viruses from forming or attenuates the severity of any which do get in. Ferous Phos tablets can be obtained from any good wholefoods store or larger Boots
chemist shops.
 
 
The use of
 
menthol crystals Stockcode H242 (i.e. genuine menthol, not mentholated sweets) during
flights or in areas where there may be swine flu carriers. Just break off
an eighth of an inch from a crystal and keep in the mouth allowing it to permeate your lungs
and throat.
 
 
Make a magic soup comprising one Umeboshi Plum + a tspn of grated ginger + a tablespoon of soy sauce. Put into one pint of water and bring to a
simmer. Mix in one desertspoonful of arrowroot powder and simmer ntil the liquid thickens.
Strain and drink a cupful three times a day. Umeboshi is a special Japanese relish
which alkalaises the blood combatting the
acidic nature of the blood when illness takes it over. Most whole-food shops stock Umeboshi plums, Sainsbury's do a pureed form of it.
 
These are perhaps the best options, though the use of Four Thieves Vinegar on face-masks would be
ideal and give 24 hour protection.
 
Naturally these are Marabas's personal ideas and you try them at your own risk. If you are
unsure always see a quack for a proper diagnosis.
BB
Denise W.
 
Topic     Swine flu     posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on July 20, 2009 at 12:34 AM      
 
I`d like to know aswell, Wasn`t M working on some sort of alternative to Tamiflu when Bird flu was being worried about?
 
Topic     magical defence against swin flu     posted by kimball1 User
posted on July 18, 2009 at 11:21 AM      
 
could four thieves viniger all so protect against swine flu.
Any takers on this 
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Topic     RE: Magical Oils     posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on May 13, 2009 at 02:25 PM
edited on May 14, 2009 at 01:12 PM      
 
Without a doubt High John the Conqueror is the one.I have used it many a time for fighting off SORN declarations to work disciplinarys,make sure you have a decent Union Rep as well.Good luck.
 
 
[Infoburst: Thanks for that Imperial Wizard, after far too many years working here than I want to admit I can concur that High John The Conqueror Oil B300 is probably one of our most effective oils for anything to do with litigation, legal contest, job problems, tribunals, and any other legal or official matters of judgement. And it is so easy to apply it.
 
More details on B300 can be seen here. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Magical Oils     posted by stressednworried User
posted on May 12, 2009 at 06:10 AM
edited on May 12, 2009 at 09:02 AM      
 
I tried before ordering to send a query Email but it came back as undeliverable in my Email box.
 
I rang but it was an automated line for placing orders. It was the weekend and I don't know if it usual, or whether in normal hours you can get through to someone directly.
 
[Infoburst: Then you must have misaddressed it because all our email urls are alive and kicking. It is important for people in a state of anxiety to double check everything they do to make sure they do not assist the negative energies to bring then to an illogical or incorrect conclusion which is unneccessarily to their detriment. BB Denise W.]
 
 
Topic     RE: Magical Oils     posted by Marty User
posted on May 11, 2009 at 09:13 AM      
 
Hi, did you not ask for advice prior to ordering your oils? Contact the SA direct and they will advise what is best for you in your situation. They can help you better by knowing the full story and don't worry about them judging you as they don't and are very professional and discreet.
Good luck.
 
Topic     Magical Oils     posted by stressednworried User
posted on May 10, 2009 at 03:01 PM
edited on May 12, 2009 at 09:09 AM      
 
I'm worried because I've found out that I've got a formal hearing at work that my boss has brought against me.
 
I want things to go in favour and I've been looking for something that I can use to help. As I've only got a few days to the hearing I needed something that would help immediately with the siutation.
 
I have ordered High John the Conqueror Oil, Commanding oil, Double fast luck oil and protection oil.
 
Has anyone used these oils and had success with them and also does anyone know of anything else that might help me, and if it is OK to use a number of oils together for a situation.
 
Thanks
 
 
It is natural for people who are stressed to seek reassurance but at some point you MUST have faith and rely on it if you want to get the best results. Questioning everything can become counterproductive, particularly asking whether magic works or not because it puts one belief into suspension and that's a sure recipe for failed magic. Marty (below) is right, if you were unsure you should have got in touch with me for advice before committing yourself and I would have ensured your best approach. However you have intuitively chosen High John Oil a smidgin of which should be put on the back of each document or letter relating to your hearing. Additionlly one drop in the palm of each hand prior to attending any hearing. Contact me privately at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk for more advice if you need it. BB Denise W. ]
 
 
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Topic     RE: Magic for creative purposes     posted by Cherry Ripe User
posted on September 14, 2009 at 05:53 PM      
 
Thanks, Denise, my partner tells me we have both OEXPs and (he thinks) the oil as well; not sure about the CD. I will look into all of these.
 
Thanks again,
 
Cherry
 
Topic     Magic for creative purposes     posted by Cherry Ripe User
posted on September 07, 2009 at 10:15 PM
edited on September 08, 2009 at 09:23 AM      
 
Hello
 
I am currently working on a novel which is going to involve a major rewrite at some point, and while I have established a relationship with a relevant god form, I have not taken it very far (yet?)
 
 
I wonder if anyone else has done any form of working aimed at helping them with a creative project: eg, a painting, story, poetry, etc.? If so, would be interested in hearing more.
 
Regards,
 
Cherry
 
 
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Creative Muse Oil B142 which has an excellent track record in producing that 'rightness' of mind for all forms of artistic creativity. Secondly you should download Marabas's
 
OEXP100 Working with Godforms and also
OEXP103 Power and Personality Thru Evocation which will enable you to 'become' the characters you create and experience their lives, emotions and thinking. Thirdly you should use Marabas's
 
Man Know Thyself Pathworking lesson on CD which gives you a very powerful exercise in vitalised imagination which you can use time and time again to set and re-set your plots to see if and how they work. These exercises and recommendations are ones Marabas has given VIP actors and authors in the past and they have worked wonders for them.
BB DeniseW]
 
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Topic     RE: Magick Mirror     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on September 06, 2009 at 01:42 PM
edited on September 29, 2009 at 08:52 AM      
 
Also if it is used as Mirror of Hathor and painted black, can it not then be used with Universal Accumulator Fluid for Protection, etc?
 
 
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How To Make and Use Magick Mirrors book. A Black Mirror of Hathoor is simply another method of creating a magic mirror in which a black gloss reflective surface is painted on instead of the polished surface which comes with the S.A. Magic Mirror. Magically there is no difference as when used for projecting energies the black coating should have acumulator in it anyway. For divination purposes I prefer the reflective surface as it comes; but some like the black surface better. If you don't have success with the original reflective surface then black it and see if it imrpoves your skill.
BB DeniseW]
 
 
Topic     Magick Mirror     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on September 06, 2009 at 12:32 PM
edited on September 08, 2009 at 09:12 AM      
 
I am a bit confused; is the mirror meant to be looked at like say looking at a football, or should it be the side where it dips in, as in the Brass Sorcerers' Apprentice Mirror?
 
I am just getting to grips with this. Also if I brush on Universal Accumulator Fluid onto the Brass will it spread all over or will it form into a puddle in one place, so to speak?
 
Also interesting to hear anyone else's experience with this Magick Mirror...'
 
 
[INFOBURST: Because you've paid for the
 
S.A. Magic Mirror you get technical aftersales advice like this for free and it is best done by emailing us direct so we can reply more fully and more confidentially than on the public forum. However,succinctly; as it says in the instructions you use the concave side of the mirror - where it dips in - for skrying. The Accumulator coating only has to be thinly painted on and any excess which pools should be wiped off. You do not need to apply this coating if you are only going to use the mirror for divination purposes.
 
I use a magic mirror frequently and in my opinion they are far more magically effective both for divination and for 'programing' than a crystal ball or other speculum.
 
If newcomers want to know all there is to know about Magic Mirrors then our unique book
 
How to Make and Use Magic Mirrors gives the secret background and applications and is on special offer at the moment. BB DeniseW]
 
 
 
 
 
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Topic     RE: Magic Salve for Transformation     posted by Paul User
posted on January 05, 2010 at 05:11 PM      
 
Hi Denise
 
Yes it does sound as though I may be getting the two mixed up (such is the way when you don’t know too much about a subject!). I am more interested in the shamanic shape shifting side, probably incorporating hallucinogens (peyote, fly agaric etc). From a northern European perspective – Norse (Berserkers etc) or Celtic specifically.
 
I thought that the medieval witch trials did have a grain of truth though?
 
Can you suggest any books that SA might have in stock that might help?
 
Thanks
 
Paul
 
Topic     Magic Salve for Transformation     posted by Paul User
posted on December 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM
edited on December 18, 2009 at 02:16 PM      
 
Hi All
I am researching shapeshifting. Can anyone help me with the ingredients required for the magic salve in such rites? Or any books that might be of use?
Do SA have any info/lessons/books? I am after the ingredients and preparations, rather than just purchasing a ready made salve.
Thanks very much
Cool Yule to one and all!
Paul
 
 
[INFOBURST: Hi Paul. By 'Magic Salve' I am supposing you are referring to traditional Flying Ointments? If so then you've confused things. M says that most recipes for Flying Ointments were gleaned from witch-trials and are suspect. Usually containing powerful narcotic drugs such as Henbane, Aconite, Datura and a carrier ointment of fat (fat carries the active ingredients into the bloodstream). These plants were common constituents of natural anaesthetics used to limit pains when setting bones etc. They were also highly hallucinogenic if taken internally and aided in both astral visions, clairvoyance,trials of strength etc.
 
 
The problem with them is that the active ingredients are SO toxic and the raw materials so varied in potency that users can poison themselves. For example. M says a tenth of a gram of aconite root will kill a rat dead in ten seconds. A tenth of a gram is a very, very,very small amount. SO BE SENSIBLE AND DON'T TRY IT!
 
 
It would be illegal for any occult shop to sell such a thing and if you see Magical Salves or Flying Ointments listed it is a good indication that the purveyors are either Snake Oil salesmen or worse.
 
 
Shape shifting on the other hand is a magical method of evoking the mamilian brain to link with the intelligence of another creature. Ancient shamans did this before a hunt to anticipate the decisions and whereabouts of their prey and it is also part of the totem-tribal system. Marabas has not yet written about this because it is highly compex and too easily misunderstood by the non-initiated.
BB DeniseW]
 
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Topic     RE: Franz Bardons Practice of Evocation     posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 03:28 PM      
 
Give it a go!. Be that Imerial Wizard!
 
Smiles
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Franz Bardons Practice of Evocation     posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 12:31 PM      
 
Anyone out there actually tried an evocation out of this book and if so what results occured ?
More to the point what about theses pacts you can make with positive and negative beings is it plausable, surely one of the greatest Occultists of the last century can't be bullshitting.
 
I'm still wading through Initiation into Hermetics.
 
Topic     RE: magic     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 05:33 PM      
 
FULL of good advice and NO sense of HUMOUR - reader beware!!!
 
Topic     RE: magic     posted by Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 01:52 AM      
 
OK; not sure what bananas have to do with anything, but if that was a crack, no wonder this person chose to hide their identity.
To be productive (which is why I think this site is here) How do you know if you can perform magic? You FEEL it. For me, it is like the swirling of air when the energy is right. Magic is not like twitching your nose and something happens immediately. There is so much more to it and you would benefit from live training. Regarding
what makes your magic more powerful and what weakens it, power comes from you-witchcraft is not like Reiki where the energy comes from somewhere else and blesses you along the way. So if you are well and focused, you probably going to have a pretty good outcome. If you are sickly and scattered, your outcome will probably be disappointing. I do not know how many types of magic exist, however, I can say it is better to be true to a few "trades" than to be just a "jack of all".
I believe that all energy and life has a corresponding color AND tone (sound) so I believe your answer is yes. However, I would find it very difficult to believe that anyone alive today could authenticate any knowledge of "the very first magic ever used".
It is my belief that anyone can perform magic-it is like learning a trade. Some will be more suited to it, learn faster and perhaps have a better display of ability. But the potential is there for all. I do not believe that age has anything to do with the awakening of powers.
I hope you find this information productive/helpful and find a good teacher that blessed you with knowledge. Don't stop asking questions. -Love and Light, Patti
 
Topic     RE: magic     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 07:55 PM      
 
Thirty Questions ..! I have a question for you! ''bananas''
 
Topic     magic     posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 05:02 AM      
 
how can i know if i can do magic?what makes your magic more powerful and what weakens it?how many types of magic exist?can the very first magic that was ever used and the magic of demons,fairies and angels used be put in colors?who can do magic and who doesnt?does magic and spy abilities always awake when you are 13?
 
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Topic     RE: My Valentine Message for 2008 from United States     posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 11, 2008 at 05:05 PM      
 
So Aster51, where's your contact details then?
 
Topic     VALENTINES DAY     posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 10, 2008 at 05:51 PM      
 
Currently I am free and single so if there are any magically emanicipated ladies who do not live to far away to travel to or from Birmingham who would like a date then I am willing to make myself available. I am interested in Paganism and Ceremonial Magic and Yoga and am becomeing increasingly keen on developing myself in these areas though I am not a Thelemite I have always thought highly of Aleister Crowley but have always thought it important to find ones own way rather than be a follower of others. I would appreciate meeting traditional or modern witches, lady ceremonial magicians, lady Thelemites, Ladies into Yoga or Tantric techniques or at least ladies who appreciate male occultists.
 
Topic     My Valentine Message for 2008 from United States     posted by Aster51 User
posted on February 07, 2008 at 06:47 AM      
 
I have met very nice blokes from far and away and I wish to visit with them in the future. Do not laugh, this year is the year. Yes,yes and yes to your queries because I will be free to date and this heartache is taking a very long time. I am not patient but I am willing to believe in love; do you still believe in love? My new heart felt name and initials AMS.
 
Topic     A forum??     posted by DefyGravity User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 04:04 PM      
 
I only just found out SA had a forum,what a good idea!
 
Anyway, this make contacts for Spring idea, how does it work? Whats the best thing to post in this thread? Or is this enough? LOL
 
Topic     RE: MAKE VALENTINE CONTACTS FREE HERE     posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 09:38 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:49 AM      
 
RUTHVAH ANCIENT SEXUAL BODY OIL [Code:P147] £26.97. 4.cc phial. Ruthvah / perfume of immortality. As used by High Priests / Kings / Great Men. Rare and costly ingredients from far-flung places. Rubbed into scalp / temples / said to drive women wild. Works subconsciously upon females to attract / compel. Crowley used Ruthvah and based his success with women on it. Based on natural pheromones giving physical and psychical attraction. Same Day despatch for delivery by first class post. More info. or to order on-line go:
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm.
Or telephone Paula to place your order on 011x x451309 (24 hrs)
 
SNOW QUEEN PERFUME OIL [Code:P146] £16.97 4.cc mirror phial. The lady's answer to Ruthvah. A magical oil to entrance the men in your life.Strange and wonderful feminine scent recalls the Glamour of the Snow Wastes: the merciless beauty of the Warrior Goddess. An ice-blue sharp inhalation of sophisticated hypnotic perfume oil. Cool & Compelling / the Snow Queen englamours all males to her desires and is so effective that clients regularly order refills once they have tried it. Go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm
and scroll down to Snow Queen to order.
 
GIFT IDEA! Send your heart's desire a phial of Snow Queen as a Valentine pressie - she'll be eternally grateful in ways you can only imagine. Just goto http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm scroll to the bottom of the page and hit the buy-now button for Snow Queen. If you want us to post the Snow Queen direct to her then input the address where you want the Snow Queen sending in the 'remarks / comments' section as you fill in your card details .( N.B. If you leave this section blank we will send it direct to you). Be sure to say if you want it to go anonymously!
Order line 011x x451309 (24hrs)
 
Topic     MAKE VALENTINE CONTACTS FREE HERE     posted by Denise W User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 08:29 AM      
 
Hi everyone! Spring is on it's way, the birds are getting frisky and we should join in. For the next several weeks we are going to relax the Forums usual No Contact Adverts rule to allow people of like minds to place a FREE Valentine or Advert for a Date in this thread and celebrate the fluxing of the green. There's a Jack for every Jill (or Arthur for every Martha!) so we hope some life-long partnerships will ensue. Enjoy! BB Denise.
 
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Topic     RE: Appendix to previous comment     posted by Sara User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 04:08 PM      
 
please would an experienced initiate please help "Stargirl"? she has posted her love problem and needs our input
 
Topic     Appendix to previous comment     posted by Draconis343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 09:39 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 01:01 PM      
 
Greetings. Denises comments are concise, precise, to my mind/viewpoint. An adisor reminds me that all levels from beginner onward, will read these viewpoints. I'll see how the forum evolves, and perhaps contribute in as prudent a form as possible. Excellent creation, Brother Marabus!And thanks for 27 years invaluable aid to my path.
The Lamp of Thoth was excellent for it's time , how you've evolved! sincere best wishes; may all attain! AUM HA!
 
Topic     Genuine occultists     posted by Draconae343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 02:51 PM      
 
There are a lot of high Adeptii and Masters out there who have no desire for fame; The opposite, all ego hinderence is destroyed; We collect you when it is time.
 
Topic     RE: Making Contact with other occultists     posted by Denise User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 08:40 AM      
 
I can commiserate with you Feeorin, Marabas teaches that the most important decisions are not what type of magic to use to get your desire but whether your desire will really bring you the fulfilment of your destiny as you expect. He quotes the joke about a bloke helping an old lady across the road. She turns out to be a witch and gives him a wish for his troubles. Mext morning bloke wakes up to find a 12" pianist plonking away at the foot of his bed - the punchline is far too rude to include here! Of course there has to be an exchange of energies to acquire knowledge. The idea that you can get it for free means someone will have their time wasted sooner or later. This goes completely against false modern ideas of the occult which hold that you must not charge for occult skills or knowledge. This results in really nice and responsible people like yourself having their time and knowledge wasted. Initiates all know the hard fact that unless the newcomer sacrifices something (money or effort) they will devalue and not maximise the knowledge or skill. Next time make 'em work for it and give them a copy of Goethe's Faust to mull over ;-) BB Denise
 
Topic     RE: Making Contact with other occultists     posted by Feeorin User
posted on December 12, 2007 at 07:20 PM      
 
Hi there,
 
Your so right about trying to find genuine occultists, I had a friend approach me a while back to help her find her footing in the craft, so I did the best I could to give her a broad specturm of all aspects. Its fair to note at this point that there was no coven arrangement just one mate passing info to another mate! she no longer bothers to come down, in the last few weeks when she did pop over she did everything to avoid even discussing it!, so I can well believe that genuine covens have tried and tested methods of finding genuine practioners! I wish them all the best with it too! I have decided since that i wont be so keen to help anyone who is interested in the craft, other than to lend them the odd book and give them links to websites and suppliers! its all very frustrating!
Sorry if im ranting, but i feel that after struggling to find my own way its a shame that i wont be so keen to help someone else. Has anyone else found that this happens alot!
 
Feeorin xxx
 
Topic     Making Contact with other occultists     posted by Denise User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 03:00 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 01:00 PM      
 
Making contact with other occultists these days is often TOO easy but there are so few groups about with a genuine lineage who are run by true initiates. In many starter groups the only difference between your knowledge and that of your 'leader' may be the half a dozen more books he has read than you have!
A genuine coven will expect certain things from you, particularly an understanding of the history of the craft (ancient and modern)and may well give you a bibliography of books you must read before they will even consider investing time in beginning to train you.
After all, anyone who asks to join a coven who doesn't know about the history of their chosen belief is obviously unprepared and has little foresight. If you come across any group who is eager to train you then my advice would be to become suspicious because they could very well waste your time. The very first thing you need to do to put you in the picture I would say, is to read Marabas's Guide to Paganism, Witchcraft and Shamanism which was specifically written to safely direct people like yourself towards genuine paganism and witchcraft. You can download this book in ebook form right now from
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/paguide.htm - it has saved many people lots of tears and will certainly give you a different perspective to that you will find in most of the pagan forums.
Once you have been initiated by a group they will have your 'measure' and
changing boats in mid-stream will then be more difficult than
you might at first imagine.
Take care and choose sensibly; the objective is to get close to Gaia for she is the greatest teacher of all. You can begin this now without membership of any group or coven and reach far enough into the mysteries by worshiping alone to begin with. There's no rush until you are absolutely ready.
BB
Denise W.
 
Topic     Making Contact with Genuine Occultists     posted by Eagleclaw User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 02:37 PM      
 
How can I make contact with a coven - I want to learn all about pagan practices and become a witch? BB Eagleclaw
 
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Topic     RE: Male beginner to Witchcraft     posted by David User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 11:31 AM
edited on April 29, 2008 at 01:35 PM      
 
Hi Scott,
 
I have a book I think is pretty good and comprehensive
(anyone agree or differ ?)called Complete book of Witchcraft
by Raymond Buckland which the SA sells. I'm don't see myself
as a 'witch' but wanted a good handle on it and this book had
a lot for the price.
 
Best rgds,
David.
[Infoburst: David's intuition was bang-on. The Complete Book of Witchcraft (Buckland) is a trustworthy practical introduction. Buckland worked with Gerald Gardner 'the father of modern witchcraft' before emigrating to the U.S. so he knows what's what and the instructions are very easy to follow. More details of contents and a buy-now button for instant purchase can be found by going to www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm and scrolling down the A-Z list to Complete Book of Witchcraft. BB Denise]
 
Topic     RE: Male beginner to Witchcraft     posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 26, 2008 at 09:13 PM      
 
Speaking for myself, I would see the Lord and Lady in equal balance rather than seeking to underscore one over the other. Yin and Yang –light and dark all equal and yet opposing opposites … as above so below etc...
 
Topic     Male beginner to Witchcraft     posted by Scott User
posted on April 24, 2008 at 11:34 AM      
 
Dear Forum readers,
 
I feel very drawn to Witchcraft/Wicca and would like to
read more on self initiation, getting to experience the
God/Goddess and start a practice of the Craft.
I have seen a lot of books in highstreet stores and read
stuff on the internet, but would like recommendations from
the SA (and other non-fluffy experienced Pagans)on what to
read(and do) first; also, for a man, is the God given a higher
place in his personal work ?
 
Thanx, Scott
 
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Topic     RE: Marabas Cook Report James Whale Recordings     posted by denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 06:58 PM      
 
Greetings RP
We do of course have master copies of all of Marabas's interviews and appearances going right back to the start of the S.A. but the pernicious nature of copyright in the media means that we can only supply copies of these free of charge and for genuine research. If you have an application like this then you should contact me separately by email and explain
in detail so that Marabas can consider it. If any other forum user has copies they should be aware that the BBC and ITV keep a clutch of trained legal eagles permanently on staff to
specifically extract punitive costs from anyone who breaches their copyright (no matter how slightly) and even if a law-suit costs more than it gains. In my view someone aught to challenge this unfair monopoly by mirroring interviews across the net but the only times we have heard of this happening before came to naught because most ISPs capitulate instantly to any threats from the big media cartels.
 
I remember seeing the James Whale Show in which Marabas took part along with guests Lindisfarne. Great viewing. Did you also catch the one a few weeks later when MP Geoffrey Dickens
(key satan-hunter and ley preacher who helped start the Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth in the U.K - he was the one who slandered the S.A. in the house of commons under the guise of parliamentary privilege [know what parliamentary privilege is? It's when any manipulative prat like Dickens can lie to the British Nation any time he likes because under parliamentary privilege you can't sue him! That's democracy for you! ]) appeared on Whaley's show? Marabas actually telephoned in to contradict Dicken's impropaganda was put through and there was a really hot head-to-head set-to between them on air which even exceeded Whaley's niceties. Dickens just didn't know what to do and was made to look like the bigoted liar he always was.
 
All the best
Denise W
 
Topic     Marabas Cook Report James Whale Recordings     posted by RP User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 06:53 PM      
 
Hi,
I am hoping that someone can help! Many years ago I recorded two television programs which featured Fr.Marabas.The first was the scandalous 'Cook Report' and the other was Yorkshire Televion's 'The James Whale show'.These were treasured until they were accidentally recorded over by my wife a few years ago.
 
Are there any old hands out there who could replace these valued documents whether on VHS or DVD? Obviously I would pay you for your trouble.
 
Denise,
Perhaps the S.A could run me a copy? I am also interested in the 'Marabas Tapes' (C90's) that are no longer listed as stock. Can you help?
Thanks
RP
 
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Topic     Cults That Kill     posted by Denise W User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 06:53 PM      
 
Hi Nimmo. You are right. I have had a word with Marabas for you.
He says that the photo on the front of this
tabloidesque pot-boiler audio-book is indeed him. The S.A. has
no connection with the book or any cults defamed in it. He personally
thinks it an atrocious piece of Xist impropaganda and it would be the
last thing he would put his name to but the gods were
having fun, as usual, in that the pic was one taken years before by a
freelance press photographer who had been commissioned by one of the
nationals to produce a pic for them for an article on the S.A. (At that
time Marabas campaigned hard to get the genuine view of the occult
across and often gave interviews - until he realised the dishonourable
nature of the British Press. )
 
When 'professional' photographers do a shoot they often take dozens
of shots in order to get the 'best'. If the photographer is a STAFF
photographer all the extra 'unused' shots are the property of the newspaper and go into their files - they can be used later.
If the photographer is a free-lance they go into
the photographers own files are or sold to a 'photo-library' and are then hawked out to anyone for a fee. (you can see this kind of thing going on if you check out so-called 'free photos' on the net)
 
What happened with Cults that Kill was simply that years after the original photo was taken the publishers of this audio-book sought a
'dramatic' occult photo for the cover and bought this one from a photo-library. I suppose they thought it was posed by a model or was a pull from some TV or film snippet.
This all happened totally unbeknownst to Marabas who was only alerted to the fact that it existed when a customer rang up and said he had seen thousands of them at a give-away price in a supermarket! Ironically the publishers actually went bust before Marabas could sue them for misrepresentation!
 
As you might expect after so much publicity over the years (good and bad) there is a fine store of appearances by Marabas in print and on the broadcast media but most of these will never see the light of day because of the pernicious
copyright restrictions put on interviews by the media. The words of wisdom spoken by Marabas can never be used, even by himself! However we do have original copies for posterity of all printed media, audio-cassettes and videos of all the
interviews he has given for research and corroboration if any serious application turns up and he has toyed with the idea of simply re-recording his own interviews using stand-ins for the BBC reporters etc. The problem is simply one of time - we have so much going on here.
 
The large pentagram Marabas is shown holding in this picture was a limited edition plasma-cut from iron which the S.A. was selling at the time. Nice!
Hope this helps.
BB
Denise Wadsworth
Scribe to Marabas
 
Topic     Marabas, cults book, Cook report     posted by Nimmo User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 01:10 AM      
 
Just seen the following item on ebay
(www.ebay.co.uk, Item number: 370008483298)
which looks like Marabas. Am I right ?
It's an audio book called Cults that kill.
Does anyone know where the photo is from,
TV, book, etc ?
 
Made me think of the several times in the past
S.A has been on the TV, especially the Cook
Report with the hilarious Halloween mask
get away. Is this or other S.A TV appearances
from the past available for viewing/downloading
anywhere ?
 
Best, Nimmo.
 
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Topic     Marabas on line lessons     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 31, 2008 at 01:15 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:33 PM      
 
I noticed talk of Marabas doing online lessons and was wondering if any dates had yet been decided and what level the lessns will be aimed at.
 
[Infoburst: Hi Ricenpeas, It's still a long way away I am afraid - pressure of work on M and his many other projects means that it is being worked on piecemeal and will be some months yet. The idea is not so much to provide lessons (our OEXPS do that right now ) but to create a live 'lecture room' / webcast where he can cover aspects of the occult at each sitting and then end with a question-and-answer session which everyone present can take part in. These lectures will cover initiated aspects and will be aimed at Neophytes to Advanced levels but be delivered in the usual plain language way that Marabas has of getting his ideas across so even early beginners can join in and learn from it all. We will announce the 'lecture room' on this forum as soon as we can.
BB Denise W. ]
 
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Topic     RE: Marriage     posted by Alan User
posted on July 06, 2009 at 04:57 AM      
 
I am in the same position as your partner. My girlfriend would
like to get married but I have zero interest in it. I love her
but hate the idea of all the formality. What if you put him in
a position which is not his true will (being married) and he
starts to resent it ? You might lose him altogether.
 
Topic     Marriage     posted by Crowella Pescador User
posted on July 05, 2009 at 10:22 PM
edited on September 15, 2009 at 08:27 AM      
 
My partner loves me ,he says he does and shows it. Not an uncommon problem he won't discuss Marriage or even making a life plan together.I've tried all practical methods now it time to spell. Just not sure how I ought to target this any ideas anyone?
 
Blessings,
Crow
 
 
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Topic     RE: Meditation     posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 12, 2009 at 11:10 PM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 01:25 PM      
 
blah blah. M said what ? bs is bs .i didnot start this thread to get into this crap .a simple (hey cool how are you) whould do .dennise you liar were is my original message (SECRETS OF MIND CONTROL)censorship (a partial view) .snake oil and all that shit
it aint that easy for most of us
 
 
[Infoburst: I think you've just proved my point about inability to focus. It is too easy for people who cannot explain themselves to blame others for not understanding them. Nobody but you can portray your predicament. An inability to do so is a symptom of lack of focus. This is the last time I will give you the hint - LOOK WITHIN - that is where the answers to your difficulties will be found. If you want in-depth help then goto
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/enquire.htm to see the various paid services we offer, including a consultation with Marabas. .
Additionally, I would have thought it obvious from the mere fact that I am replying to your last message instead of deleting it that we do not censor people's genuine views on this forum. If you have a problem with anything related to the forum you can always email me at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
BB
Denise W.
 
Topic     Meditation     posted by AnnB User
posted on December 30, 2008 at 05:34 PM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 10:03 AM      
 
To reach the ultimate you must be prepared to give yourself and not expect miracles I feel Denise is correct in your ingestion of whatever is clouding your mind If it was easy to achieve that perfect place what would be the point of it.
It would e just something everyone could achieve by remote control as to turn on the tv. You appear to be in a maelstrom of problems and expectations.
Try going for a walk look at the trees. Admire the world and what it can give you perhaps then you will be on the right path. and stop being confused and angry.Is the name Lazarus significant to you in anyway Im not being unpleasant but trying to help I cannotdo any of these walks but have a magnolia outside my bedroom window which I watch withthe changes of season and how it loves life
- Ann B
 
 
[Infoburst: Well said Ann, Marabas is fond of saying that Magic is an Art, not a Science, but in today's world when everyone is indoctrinated by an educational system controlled by the god of science people naturally tend to focus on the mechanics of magic rather than the overall view of their place in the scheme of things. Marabas wrote his latest OEXP074
 
(MAGICK VERSUS SCIENCE: How The Modern World was 'sold the shimmer' of technology via the hypocrisy of so-called Scientific Certainty ) specifically to free people's minds from the thrall of relativist thinking and after reading it Lazarus would have a better understanding of how magical experiences affect the whole and why he is not progressing in his meditation/magical work . BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: meditation     posted by lazarus User
posted on December 29, 2008 at 01:40 AM
edited on December 29, 2008 at 06:13 AM      
 
so what do you suggest kimball? please all suggestions welcome.what was it like,satori i mean? isnt it like the ultimate expirience? and can the desire to reach it hold you back?
 
 
[Infoburst: You are not listening to what people are explaining to you Lazarus and this suggests you have an inability to focus mentally. I suspect an imbalance with your blood-brain barrier - probably caused by diet/ingestion of chemicals - and you should, as I advised at the first, LOOK WITHIN before jetting off at a tangent on the assumption that your meditational technique is the problem. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: meditation     posted by kimball User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 08:03 PM      
 
I know what your going thouth. I got to satori once. but since then it has never happen again. i know what the problem is and sorting it out is going to take time which is annoying.
 
Topic     RE: meditation     posted by AnnB User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 09:14 PM      
 
Lazarus Whatever possesses you to feel so bad about yourself people who wish to gain level in medication that is quietening to you Give yourself a break. ai am I feel a lot older than you so can find peace easier on a level.Take Care Blessings AnnB
 
Topic     RE: meditation     posted by lazarus User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 06:24 PM      
 
so how doeas this stuff work?why does it work for you and not for me?respect to the people it does work for ,
 
Topic     RE: meditation     posted by lazarus User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 06:06 PM      
 
sorry my thank u was to annb, nice to know the world aint populated by arseholes... other than me.
 
Topic     RE: meditation     posted by lazarus User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 05:59 PM      
 
so were does the point lye,thank u riceandpeaece for u responce pease and love and all that shit. dennise why did you edit my original messaage? no clue nothing bad said please is this a open forum or not.
 
Topic     Meditation     posted by AnnB User
posted on December 14, 2008 at 06:06 PM      
 
Hello Lazarus Yes Meditation is hard trying concentrating on your nose if you lose it, or the um sah is also helpful It is harder for some than others but patience and discipline will take you to wonderful things.
There are also guided meditation cds you can buy which guide you soothingly through or join a group the energy produced is very powerful and helps as other people are always joining so feel the same problem. I am sending my energies to you hoping to help when I am meditating We all go through this at all times so just keep believing
 
Topic     Meditation     posted by AnnB User
posted on December 14, 2008 at 06:04 PM      
 
Hello Lazarus Yes Meditation is hard trying concentrating on your if you lose it, or the um sah is also helpful It is harder for some than others but patience and discipline will take you to wonderful things.
There are also guided meditation cds you can buy which guide you soothingly through or join a group the energy produced is very powerful and helps as other people are always joining so feel the same problem. I am sending my energies to you hoping to help when I am meditating We all go through this at all times so just keep believing
 
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Topic     meditation     posted by lazarus User
posted on December 04, 2008 at 09:41 AM
edited on December 05, 2008 at 12:13 PM      
 
hello all
new to this so be gentle.have been meditating now for about 2 months and things began well,settled into the meditation quite easily but now things have gotten harder. i find it difficult to focus on breathing,ego running amuck,visualization very difficult(always was)and changing my centre of conscience seems imposible(always did).i know persistance is the key and will continue but just wondered if anybody had any advice.also can the desire to reach satori make it harder to reach(if you know what i mean),and what about the rosecross ritual could that help.
 
thanks for reading
lazarus
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi Lazarus, The thing to keep in mind is that humans tend to regularly interfere with the destiny the gods have planned for them in many and various ways - so if any tested magical method is not working then one should always look within to see why first. The soul self cannot develop unless the physical and mental self is rounded out in the process. If there are some outstanding issues in your psychology, physical situation, or health, then these things can hold you back but of course in hindsight can be seen as a natural protection process because impatient beginners tend to rush in where angels fear to tread and until they round themselves out will be held back. Thus if your meditation appears to have stalled come at it again from another angle - try different methods of trance and visualisation - all these things exercise mental focus in a different way and could release you from your 'dry' period. Look to your home situation etc. If you are unsure then you should write to M for more advice. BB
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Topic     Skrying.     posted by Draco. User
posted on March 30, 2008 at 08:18 AM      
 
Hi, Well, hows about, cast a circle, banishing, protection as is
your way, having placed a triangle of art, outside the circle.
Why not form the triangle of card board, cling film rolls,e.g. whatever, taping silver foil into triangle.
Declare yourself and mastery of the four elements, and Lord of Spirit! ( Make sure you've 'felt tipped' the back,maybe front too,of the triangle, with the Hexagram.) And summon the desired spirit to manifestation.(Hexagram, two triangles= God, Mighty symbol of,pentagram=Spirit of man ascending unto the six.)
Keep your sword, (or dagger.) and wand ready, some buggers try to escape the triangle! Have fun!
 
Topic     RE: mediumship seeing spirit methods     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 26, 2008 at 03:54 PM      
 
just thought I would bump this back up.
 
Topic     mediumship seeing spirit methods     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 11:52 PM      
 
hi
 
Anyone have any tips on how best to open up to seeing or sensing spirit more. I know this gift is there for I have seen them, but want to enhance it more strongly. Are there any occult (simple) rituals to do this as well as any mediumship routes to do this..
 
thanks
 
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Topic     CCA REQUEST FIRST     posted by David Cameron User
posted on May 15, 2009 at 03:55 PM      
 
On a more materialistic leval debts first need to be proved by the creditor. Sure this will let you pay them if you wnat to but .... It is surprising how many people are not aware of this.
 
When hassled by an aggressive debt coillector first ask them to honour your CCA request. Without full and properly executed documentation they 'cannot' enforce an alleged debt in court. Many DCAs, WHO ARE VERY THICK PEOPE, cannot comply and this means NO DEBT!
 
DONT JUST PAY UP LIKE SCARED LITTLE SHEEP.
 
COMSUMERS FORUMS KNOW FAR MORE THAN CITIZENS ADVICE B ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
 
Topic     Money Matters     posted by Selvyn User
posted on May 08, 2009 at 11:31 AM
edited on May 12, 2009 at 08:58 AM      
 
Hi everyone,
 
As i am new to the ways of how magic works, i have a bit of a money problem as in a credit card, i have put a stop to the spending, but it is taking me some time to pay it off. I have gotten Marabas's Candle-magic spell book to work the rite for wealth, but it seems to specify only the object that is needed, would it be possible to visulize my credit card with the ammount of money been paid of or taken care of in this rite, so i can stop worrying about this debt.
 
 
[Hi Selvyn, This is the kind of enquiry directly relating to technical questions connected with S.A. goods, which should have simply been directed to me at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk rather than the forum, but your answer would have been the same which is that it is best always to specify your magical operations in order to avoid ambiguity and lose the focus of your magic. Thus specifying exactly what you need is a good idea, however if you have difficulty in visualising something (such as the successful clearance of your credit card bill) then you should seek for a symbol, or picture or 'feeling' which encapsulates the result you require. (E.G. visualise opening up a CC statement with zero balance) Remember that the gods will always know what is in your heart and mind no matter how inarticulate your magic and it is not up to you to tell them how to accomplish it] BB Denise W
 
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Topic     ^^     posted by Bagenholt User
posted on December 24, 2009 at 03:34 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:37 AM      
 
Either and or both. I've found it's more about how much you put into the crafting than the props used. Follow your instincts, create your own 'spell' from scratch. You're more likely to get results that way unless it's a seriously 'old-school' ritual for prosperity.
 
[Infoburst: Choose your words carefully Bagenholt for they will always reveal the limitations of the utterer. Ritual paraphernalia are not props, they are nemonic aids to focus and compartmentise the mind of the magician or witch. They are an indespensible aid to the safety of beginners and neophytes. To suggest that magic is 'all in the mind' and urge the untutored to make-it-all-up and follow their instincts is dangerous if their instinct has been suppressed by decades of Xist mind-control because what they conceive of as their instinct is likely to be Pavlovian reflex. Your well-meant advice is typical of the wishy-washy New Age approach to free-style magic based on the idea that everything goes. That sort of casual intellectual rigor clutters up and misguides 95 of the internet. It is based on the misguided idea that magick is like science and is a result of your educational indoctrination. Marabas teaches that the universe is not a machine and things don't happen by clockwork. It is all to do with how your soul enmeshes with the various realities which surround us so you must be open to ALL. People who do not understand any of this will waste their time by going it alone but achieve great success if they use a
 
genuinespell like these ones here, instead.
BB, Denise W.
 
 
 
Topic     money spell that works     posted by marie User
posted on December 21, 2009 at 10:15 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:26 AM      
 
can anyone help me to find a spell as I am in need of help please due to me and hubby being out of work due to ill health and accident need one thats easy to do. can one be done with a mirror or tarot card?
 
[infoburst: The gods do not give lazy-minded people anything so asking for an 'easy' spell is tantamount to disaster. Marabas teaches that part of the process of spellcasting is to transform the operator (i.e. YOU) as well as the target. If you don't put effort in you won't get success out. The mere act of making your mind up to actually get to grips with your own destiny is the first step to genuine magic so avoid like the plague anyone who offers things that are 'easy'. Look at these
 
genuine spells.
Look at this   genuine spellbook . And if you must have an amulet for attracting wealth that requires very little input from the user then consider the traditional
 
Chinese Golden Money Magnet which at least
works on positive cosmic principles. BB Denise W.]
 
 
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Topic     Nasa to Bomb Moon today 9th October???     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on October 09, 2009 at 09:39 AM
edited on October 12, 2009 at 09:35 AM      
 
Hiya
 
Will this bombing of the Moon effect the Moon's energies upon the earth? I know this may be off 
Topic for this site, but we do look to the Moon when it comes to timings within the Occult. I thought if anyone would know then it would be those with knowledge different to Science, so to speak.
 
Thanks
 
 
[INFOBURST: You've swallowed the illusion that science is all-powerful. In comparison with the goddess Nature science is a piddling schoolboy pissing into the wind. Because the media and government portray science as the magic wand to solve all of humanities problems everything you hear or see involves the lauding of science but what you don't see are the millions of other instances where science fails society. The highly expensive Tsunami warning system for example which satisfied critics after science failed to predict the Indonesian Tsunami which killed hundreds of thousands of people on Boxing Day 2004. The people of the world put its faith in science a second time and watched another thousand or so people die in Samosa even with the 'warning' system in place. Vulcanology has been a 'science' for decades yet the billions of pounds wasted on it in the hope of predicting eruptions has produced technology which is only half as good as the early warning given by wild animals who are more in tune with Nature and which do not form a drain on resources. The entire fiction of the threat of Global Warming is simply a gravy train for scientists and the governments who control them and as Marabas says, is the equivalent of Ancient Priests pawing through the entrails of chickens. The stupid idea of crashing a rocket into the moon to create a dust cloud for analysis was a dud and will remain a historical monument to the idiocy of modern science. It will have no effect on the moon nor us so don't worry.
Read: OEXP074 MAGICK VERSUS SCIENCE here
BB DeniseW]
 
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Topic     Arrangements?     posted by Julian Karswell User
posted on October 18, 2008 at 08:26 AM      
 
If there's someone (or some people) on here you'd like to chat with, why not arrange a time when you can both (all) be there?
 
Or post some times when you can be there in case someone wants to chat with you?
 
Topic     RE: chatroom     posted by Ipse User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 06:46 PM
edited on October 20, 2008 at 01:51 PM      
 
Tried it 4 or 5 times now, but nobody is ever there lol
 
 
[infoburst: The idea is to arrange a meet with one or more forum contributors at a pre-arranged time. Leave a message in this thread saying that you will be available to chat at such and such a time , say, every Friday night and then log on and chat. Make sure you give the subject or thread you want to chat about to interest other forum users. BB Denise W]
 
 
Topic     chatroom     posted by rabbit User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 05:03 PM      
 
Anyone here
 
Topic     Chatroom.     posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 03:13 AM      
 
Hi,
What an excellent innovation! Not come across this before.
The potential is vast! I guess, direct discussion will lead to a clearer understanding of viewpoints.
How generous of S.A. to provide this facility.
Thankyou,
Very Best Wishes,
888
 
Topic     New Test Chatroom Now Open     posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 02:20 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 02:38 PM      
 
Hi everyone. As promised we have set up the first chatroom which is a kind of Outer Court discussion area for anyone on-line in real-time. We'll see how it goes and if you like it there will be other more specific chatrooms established where you can actually discourse with Marabas himself. I will be popping in to chat with whoever's on line from time to time too so See You There!
 
 
 
Enter Outer Court Lobby Chat Room
 
 
P.S. If you have any suggestions or wish to report comments or misuse of this trial chatroom please email me on denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
 
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Topic     RE: NO SUCH THING AS SEX MAGICK     posted by Paul User
posted on March 06, 2009 at 07:36 AM      
 
"I find it difficult to believe a lot of nonsense written here about rituals for sex magick! Tantra is like any other, but much deeper with added spiritual elements + breathing + a kind of hypnosis.
 
Whoever is trying to imply danger etc is having a laugh at our expense!"
 
Any Occultist should/would suggest that you believe only what YOU want to believe, this is the point of Occultism - it is for the individual to discover his/her path/system/Wyrd. So rituals that are good for one person are not good for all.
 
As a lot of people have been brought up with the Nazarene sickness and guilt regarding sex and sexuality, it is understandable that there may be underlying 'issues' in regards to a discussion or view of sex magick.
 
To me - and perhaps, from reading your post, also to yourself? - sex magick is just another system. I hear that it is powerful and the Society of Dark Lily (who influenced me a lot) said that its main purpose is that of speed, whereby it can replace long-term meditation or spiritual retreats by accessing the subconscious in a much shorter space of time.
 
But, the point of sex magick is not as an excuse for sex but using sex as a vehicle for spiritual/psychological change. Obviously then, you need to be honest enough to know if you are just after some alternative sex (nothing wrong with that if you are), or if you are genuinely attempting to use sexual energy for spiritual change.
 
As for dangers, personally, I believe that the Occult really is dangerous. Changing your perspective from the microcosmic (human) to the macrocosmic (galactic) is an intense experience that will never leave you: "you cannot wedge the door shut once it's open" to paraphrase a UK Satanist.
 
Also, one reason that there is a lot of talk about psychological stability in the Occult is because if a person who is unstable starts practicing magic and begins to draw forth energy, then this energy may increase that instability. Do some sleep deprivation exercises to see how your energy levels change and how this effects your personality(ies).
 
Anyway, I think other Occultists will put this in different terminology acording to their own system and understanding, but the gist is: if you play with fire be prepared to get your hand burnt.
 
Anyway, as I come from a Left Hand Path background, I tend to say: it's your life, just accept responsibility for what you do and don't blame others if it all goes to shit! :)
 
Topic     NO SUCH THING AS SEX MAGICK     posted by mila User
posted on March 05, 2009 at 05:21 PM      
 
I find it difficult to believe a lot of nonsense written here about rituals for sex magick! Tantra is like any other, but much deeper with added spiritual elements + breathing + a kind of hypnosis.
 
Whoever is trying to imply danger etc is having a laugh at our expense!
 
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Topic     RE: Occult Experiences     posted by Paul User
posted on September 09, 2008 at 07:40 AM      
 
Hi Mike
 
I had a very interesting/insightful experience from a Fourth Way technique known as Self-Remembering. This was about 10 or more years ago now.
 
I was at work (in an office) and had been practicing Self-Remembering as much as possible around this time. Then one morning, spontaneously my sense of myself suddenly altered dramatically. It felt as though a cloud that had been covering my Self (Atman/Observer/I AM Experience) had dropped away, or that I had been lifted up out of this cloud. I experienced a very spacious feeling of freedom and light. Then, as quickly as it had arisen, I was back in the cloud of personality and it was gone.
 
I have not had another experience akin to this, but have not been practising Self-Remembering as much as I did then. I tried to relate it to other teachings and I think the experience was possibly akin to the Buddhist Rigpa and may also relate to the Christian Mystic Soaring of the Spirit (I forget who talked of that).
 
As is often the case in describing these experiences, words will never ever be able to do it justice and this looks like it may be too late for your dissertation, but if not, you are welcome to use it, if it is of any use.
 
All the best
 
Paul
 
Topic     Occult Experiences     posted by mike User
posted on February 17, 2008 at 03:20 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:18 PM      
 
Hi!
 
Is anyone out there willing to help with some research I'm doing for my MA dissertation?
 
I'm particularly interested in hearing from anyone who has been involved with Theosophy, Fourth Way or Golden Dawn style groups.
 
What I'm after are short written accounts of spiritual or occult experiences, and the outcome of the experience, that occultists have had. I don't want to be too specific as there is a lot of variation in how people understand the terms 'spiritual' and 'occult'. People typically write about experiences which could be labelled psychic, spiritual, religious, supernatural, paranormal, or mystical. Such experiences may be pleasant or unpleasant and the outcomes good or bad. The only other information I would need is the experiencer's gender and whether they were a member or ex-member of the group.
 
Cheers!
 
Mike
 
 
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Topic     Occult Magazines     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 20, 2010 at 03:00 PM
edited on April 01, 2010 at 11:15 AM      
 
Hiya
 
I know about the Lamp of Thoth but is there another Occult Magazine that you do? I used to get Prediction Magazine but they have ruined it now, it used to be brilliant years ago.
 
Also is there in the future going to be more Lamp of Thoth Magazines?
 
 
[INFOBURST: Most occult magazines were fanzine type small press projects and as you probably know a decade ago the web caused a sea-change in small-press publishing enabling any group to have an immediate presence and authors to set up their own independent point of access on the net. Most printed magazines were loss-making and relied on philanthropist/s for funds. They usually stopped publishing when the funds ran out. This isn't a problem on the web. In the early days when we allowed callers at the shop we used to do 'lucky-dip' bags of approx 30 assorted magazines at a special discount to further the work of lesser known authors and editors. At that time there were dozens of regular zines on all aspects of occultism. Today there are not enough printed mags for us to offer that service out but if you use your search engine you'll come up with not only some current 'issues' of magazines but also some back issues. We ourselves have plans for digitising back-copies of The Lamp of Thoth magazine quite soon:
(Watch this page for announcements)
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Topic     RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on December 17, 2008 at 02:26 PM      
 
I would have thought so Denise. His premise seems to be that there is no need for a creative intelligence and this certanly shapes his opinions and the dressing for his shows. What he claims to be able to do is replicate paranormal happenings, not prove them wrong, the rest is just his own personal opinions. If I study painting and replicate the works of Austin Spare, i wouldnt disprove the existance of the "in-between world" despite the obvious that I had created the same effects as he on the canverse. I would only prove that i was as useful as a photocopier. To me if an opinion does nothing other than reduce things down to brick and brack then its a bit crap. As Magickians we are artists as well as scientist and as some famous dude said " The job of the artist is to deepen the mystery" .
I do like his promotion of hypnosis as a thing we should all try and get our heads round hence why im giving him such thought. Too many people think they cannot be controlled yet it happens to them most of their waking day. The Secrets of Mind Controll and the Master keys to Hypnosis serves as real eye openers, providing both defence and a cutting edge, a better buy than a Derren Brown Christamas Box Set.
Im gonna be offline for a couple more months so happy festival to all at the S.A. and all on the forum.
 
"Its all in your head, you just have no idea how big your haed is!!!!"
Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on December 17, 2008 at 02:26 PM      
 
I would have thought so Denise. His premise seems to be that there is no need for a creative intelligence and this certanly shapes his opinions and the dressing for his shows. What he claims to be able to do is replicate paranormal happenings, not prove them wrong, the rest is just his own personal opinions. If I study painting and replicate the works of Austin Spare, i wouldnt disprove the existance of the "in-between world" despite the obvious that I had created the same effects as he on the canverse. I would only prove that i was as useful as a photocopier. To me if an opinion does nothing other than reduce things down to brick and brack then its a bit crap. As Magickians we are artists as well as scientist and as some famous dude said " The job of the artist is to deepen the mystery" .
I do like his promotion of hypnosis as a thing we should all try and get our heads round hence why im giving him such thought. Too many people think they cannot be controlled yet it happens to them most of their waking day. The Secrets of Mind Controll and the Master keys to Hypnosis serves as real eye openers, providing both defence and a cutting edge, a better buy than a Derren Brown Christamas Box Set.
Im gonna be offline for a couple more months so happy festival to all at the S.A. and all on the forum.
 
"Its all in your head, you just have no idea how big your haed is!!!!"
Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 30, 2008 at 04:22 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 10:56 AM      
 
Hi Rob. What you say certainly sums up a bigott, though anyone who has been bullied by religion would recognise his fire. When pushed Derren will answer that there are alot of freuds or NAN offering there services and people should be aware of the power of there own beliefs and how they can be ripped off. For this I applaud him as everyone should get to know and take responsability for there own minds so they can make the right choises. Where I think he falls down is he devalues his own techniques, he devalues belief and boils it all down to meaningless phsycology. Some of the techniques he uses as a magician are similar to the techniques that i am learning as a Magickian, though we have different approaches and different goals and therefor different result. He could do with opening his own perception but he puts on a great show.
 
PS. Ideomotor effect, how else did he think it Worked!
 
Ricenpeas
 
 
" I'd be happy to just encourage a more questioning approach and one of intelligent open-mindedness: which is where you balance things such as false memory, suggestion and auto-hypnosis, cold-reading, language tricks and charlatanism with the evidence in favour of the paranormal, in order to make a more informed decision about its veracity. Again, I would like to think that most intelligent spiritualists would agree with me there too."
 
Derren Brown interview with badpsychics
 
 
[Infoburst: Thanks for the quote Ricenpeas. Interesting that Rob says Derren Brown admits to having being an evangelist (presumably Christian) and then tears into spiritualists (who are also Christians) as well as other psychics. Presumably he is now an atheist then, otherwise his criticisms of spiritualism would also apply to his own beliefs. BB Denise W. ]
 
 
Topic     Derren Brown: enemy of the occult     posted by Rob User
posted on October 30, 2008 at 02:28 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 10:51 AM      
 
Hi Guys,
Intrigued byt the Derren Brown thing I picked up his paperback
'Tricks of the Mind'. He is an ex-Evangelical and cites Dawkins'
'God delusion' as his favourite book of all time maybe to convince
us. He is Very anti-occult/new age. He describes the 'average'
believer in psychic powers as 'fat, forty and failed, with a house
full of cats' and among other things has a section rubbishing
ouija boards as purely ideomotor effect, how to give cold readings
which he says all decent psychics do, the rest are honest but
delusional in his opinion. Perhaps worst of all he joins the call
for a ban on alternative therapies like homeopathy and herbalism
using the usual establishment line about people ignoring 'real'
treatments and the like. I used to like his show but now I think
he's a narrow minded bigot.
 
- Rob.
 
 
[Infoburst: Well that's very interesting Rob - you aught to surf the SAFF site http://www.saff.nfshost.com
as they specialise in puncturing the public images of evangelists posing as 'good guys'. They have a forum which you can contribute to as well (see leftmost column halfway down the homepage). Derren Brown often acts like a replacement for The Amazing Randi, an American prestidigitator who couldn't make it in general showbiz but who found he could make a living 'exposing psychic frauds' in the 1980s and 1990s. Marabas met him when he attended a celebrated TV discussion programme on the occult. Randi (whose name did not quite travel across the Pond for obvious reasons ;-)) apparently pulled some wheezy old magic tricks disguised as the occult but M and his colleagues spotted the plant in the audience and spoiled his trick and his act. Ha. The fact that some psychic phenomena can be falsely recreated (don't the media do this all the time in films etc?) has of course no bearing on genuine psychic experiences. BB Denise W. ]
 
 
Topic     Eye of the Bengal Tiger     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 16, 2008 at 02:32 PM      
 
Hi John
I would be in a better position to discuss this now (far from there but on the way).
I think we are chatting about the "evil eye" when we talk about an apponent transfixing us or projecting fear into us. Peter Carroll gives the basic technique for developing the fixed stare in Liber Null and Marabas gives a workable deffinition, which can be applied, in his Phsycic Defence CD. Holding high my Novice card I can crudely boil it down to 3 things...
1.. Controll of the body, ie. keeping a steady heart beat in a Bagdad bunker.
2 Controll of the mind, ie. remain focused on intent despite all disturbance.
3 A Knowlage of ourselfs and therefor others.
 
As they say "alot of fights are won before you step in the ring."
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: Derren Brown     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 12:36 PM      
 
I have heard Derren say in a few interviews that he RECREATES occult experiences, and yep Im facinated. Nowhere does he say that the Occult is a load of rubbish but he does promote people to "question" what they believe. People can be very stubborn to what they believe is the Truth, as Carl Marx said "Man only drowns in water because he believes in gravity".
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     Derren Brown     posted by Watson User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM
edited on October 27, 2008 at 05:04 PM      
 
Derren Brown, who has a host of videos others have posted on youtube
and evryone should check these out, is a total skeptic of the occult
and new age and also has an excellent book Tricks of the Mind.
His performances are pure trickery mixed with NLP and hypnotic
suggestion and an uncanny ability at cold-reading/body language, etc. His one rule is that he does not use actors/stooges. From his
videos you'll see he is recommended as a top psychic without hesitation by other 'psychics' (search for Derren Brown, Messiah)
as well as converting atheists to Christians, etc. then they
de-convert when he lets them in on the trick...simply amazing.
 
 
[Infoburst: Elementary my dear Watson but Derren's antics are pure showbiz and cloak what is really going on which is that Derren is creating an arena where the cultural and moral limitations of the people he is 'hypnotising' are removed. Thus it is not Derren who has the power but the subjects themselves. All the crap about NLP is just psychobabble for a state of mutually agreed suggestion. Despite the common misconception that anyone who is hypnotised gives up their own will to the hypnotist, all that happens is that existing latent powers of the individual are given the confidence to emerge BY MUTUAL CONSENT. In his CD
 
Master Keys to Hypnosis (click here for more details) Marabas teaches how this happens and how anyone can do it for themselves without the risk of being used as a prop for TV gurus.
BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     RE: Occult & Martial arts     posted by riceNpeas User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 03:54 PM      
 
Hi John. Derren Brown is for real. He reproduces things like the "death touch", "spiritualism", "converting to Christianity" using mondern techniques like hypnosis, nlp, missdirection and many more. Its very mechanistic and i just posted it for a bit of craic.
I enjoyed the artical by David Cherubium and i think he stesses the point of focus and intent which is what you are probably experiencing when your aponent is giving you the Evil Eye. Alot of magician (especialy hardworking ones) prescribe physical exercise including karate as it bring you into an alert and focused state, beta. Its the same feeling I get with a good Banashing ritual, the senses are aware and the mind is single pointed. Over exercising brings on heavy gnosis which when moved by Will is a power source for your sells/sigils
Taoist sorcery does interest me but its hard to get good info. I have just ordered a couple of Wudang Kung Fu DVDs with subtitles. If I find anything interesting in them I will post.
Lastly. I find Thelmapedia quite interesting for little snips. There is a nice little artical on Taosim heres the link
 
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Taoism
 
Nice One
Rice n Peas
 
Topic     RE: Meditation, Yoga, Physical training.     posted by John W User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 02:01 PM      
 
Rob,
Thank you for your recommendations. I have read some books on Chaos magic
but not the Book of Results. Interested to hear your comments on Magick
by Crowley.
I will put both on my 'to get' list. Cheers, John.
 
Topic     RE: Occult & Martial arts     posted by John W User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 12:46 PM      
 
Thanks for that Ricenpeas. That was impressive stuff. But is Derren Brown
for real ? Hard to tell with TV. I've seen his show a few times and it's
really weird how he can pull some of the things off unless there's
collusion and trickery involved. What I have experienced is the ability
of experienced Martial artists to pull their opponent into a rhythm and
sort of hypnotise or mesmerise them during a fight, also to instill fear
almost telepathically to defeat opponents almost effortlessly. I have
been advised to never concentrate on an experienced fighters eyes as this
is usually how they lock onto you, rather to 'distance view' their whole
body, or 'not stopping the mind'.
 
John.
 
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Topic     RE: Occult & Martial arts     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 05, 2008 at 08:54 PM      
 
I have seen a demonstation by a Che Kung Master (exuse my pronouniation) which was very powerful and i have also heard a few rummors of German Occult Martial Art groups around the net but I would like to post this link for a bit of craic. Its a combo of a little bit of che and a lot of drama.
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2023760018081411341&q=derren+brown+1+inch+punch&ei=nEBISMqaEo-8igKs5MjLDA&hl=en
 
Enjoy
RcenPeas
 
Topic     Meditation, Yoga, Physical training.     posted by Rob User
posted on June 05, 2008 at 02:11 PM      
 
Hi John,
Two books I would recommend:
 
Zen way to the Martial arts by Taisen Deshimaru which has a lot
on Ki energy and how Zazen balances the whole self. I don't do
MA myself but have all Deshimaru roshi's books. He was a rather
unorthodox Zen master who taught in France and had a very high
rank in Kendo in which the swordsmen try and keep an empty mind,
unconcerned with defence which would hold them back in fear.
With an empty mind they can act freely.
 
The Book of Results (Chaos magick) by Ray Sherwin: His recommended
system includes regular bouts of physical training, in the opinion
that an unhealthy body is not helpful in magick.
Also see Crowley's section on Yoga in his master-work 'Magick'.
I felt that the sections on Yoga, the world's religions and divination were the best parts of the book.
 
Regards, Rob.
 
Topic     Occult & Martial arts     posted by John W User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 10:37 PM      
 
Would anyone like to speak on the subject of Occult martial arts ?
I have done a style of Japanese Karate for many years preceeding
my occult interests but only once started to study Zen, then magic
did I begin to see the true purpose of martial arts training (although
for many it is merely for fitness or a sport depending on their art
and largely on their instructor/club)...For the japanese Masters it
has always been Karate-Do (Tao) and things like fighting competition
are a recent post WWII invention many masters detested, though
personally I think fighting with a zen-mind (or trying to: it's hard
to remain calm when trying to avoid a fat lip!) is superb practice.
 
I have found an article at the link below which although I am not a
Thelemite, I agree with totally, and would like others' opinion of
the article ? It is by David Cherubim:
 
http://www.totse.com/en/religion/the_occult/163734.html
 
A question I often have in my own mind is can physical exercise
be bad for you ? Can it make one too full of Yang energy ? When
I train I go very red in the face (not through being unfit) and I
feel 'high' and buzzing for an hour or so after practice but is
this an imbalance ? A contrast would be Tai-Chi where there is
little or no exertion, just soft movement and many Tai Chi
practitioners are also Taoists who would say external/hard
martial arts like Karate are unbalanced. Maybe this is why Karate
has Kata which so many enthusiasts eschew or practice only
for their next grading ? Kata is known as Moving-Zen.
 
Hope to hear anyone's views,
 
John W.
 
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Topic     oexp naming rite, true name     posted by kimball User
posted on May 15, 2008 at 08:08 PM
edited on May 16, 2008 at 03:19 PM      
 
when using this oexp to devine a persons signil, true name.can that signil then be used on poppet wax doll of that person.
 
[Infoburst: Yes! It is an ideal subject link. Denise W. ]
 
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Oils for gay men
 
 
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Topic     RE: Oils for gay men?     posted by easyboy82 User
posted on February 05, 2009 at 09:23 AM      
 
Great tip, many thanks!
 
Topic     RE: Oils for gay men?     posted by easyboy82 User
posted on February 04, 2009 at 07:30 PM
edited on February 05, 2009 at 08:06 AM      
 
Is Anteros oil a sex or love oil or both?
If it acts mainly as a sex attraction oil just like Rutvah and Snow Queen act for straight people, then which oils could be used by gay men for love attraction purpose? I've seen that the description of some general love oils (love oil, love and sex oil...) often refer to "people of the other sex" but maybe they could work as well if used by a man looking for a same sex partner? Many thanks for your advice.
 
 
[Infoburst: Well yes they do work for all because love is love, but the secret tip here would be to mix 50 percent of our regular
 
Love Attraction Oil B401 with the Anteros Oil to rebalance for gay purposes. Obviously it would be unviable for us to produce every one of our 800 different magical oils in special formulae for gay men and women but you can balance it yourself simply by adding Anteros to any suitable magical oil in our list on a 50-50 basis. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Oils for gay men?     posted by douglas dumpling User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 03:14 AM
edited on August 26, 2008 at 09:02 AM      
 
Hi
I asked the S.A, the same question and was told Anteros oil would be the best option. Anteros is the brother of Eros and governs alternative sexuality and unrequited love so will be well suitable for gay men. Hope this helps you out Scot.
 
 
[Infoburst: Douglas Dumpling's advice is bang on Scot. You can order Anteros Oil B1000  by telephoning Paula on 011x x451309 with your card details. Alternatively goto
 
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/paypal.htm for a buy-now button to send the remittance on-line. BB Denise W.]
 
Topic     Oils for gay men?     posted by CuriousScot User
posted on August 21, 2008 at 11:34 PM      
 
Given that Ruthvah is for straight men, and Snow Queen is for straight women, what oil would be appropriate for gay men?
 
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Topic     RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick     posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:45 AM      
 
Most magicians who use hermetic / qabbalistic rites know how essential it is to construct them accurately and closely to ensure that the energy is focussed and to avoid input from astral shells and other discarnate intelligences who try to piggy-back the forces of the rite. When one opens oneself to the Astral there is just SO much crud out there. Marabas teaches that free-floating discarnate entities will pander to the expectancies of the magician in order to trick him into sharing the power of the ceremony, often by assuming the identity the magician hopes to contact. It is essential to avoid that by using various techniques to exclude anything which will waste the magician's time or give him a poorly focused result. I too am shocked by the idea, current with a lot of spiritists, that a belief in goodness is all that is necessary when one opens onself up to 'channel' energies in a seance - that does seem rather uncontrolled to me in comparison. Having said that thousands of experienced mediums DO use that system and have done so for hundreds of years. As long as they can separate the wheat from the chaff in their results then there is no proscription against it but it can often lead to self-delusion. Marabas is of the same opinion and that is why he developed the new S.A. Ouija Board which, although it can be used like a regular ouija, is also equipped with an invocatory Dial and instructions showing the user how to specify contacts that will not mislead. [go http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm for full details] Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Ouija boards     posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:58 PM      
 
La mayyitan ma qadirun yatabaqqa sarmadi
Fa idha yaji' al-shudhdhadh fa-l-maut qad yantahi. – Haven’t got a clue what this means either – thanks for your guardianship Denise – much appreciated
 
Topic     RE: Ouija boards     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM      
 
Thats pretty freaky Howard. I just got a leaflet through my door with an equaly strange message
 
AG ULLMHU I GCOMHAIR MOR-EIGEANDALAI
 
Topic     Ouija boards     posted by Howard User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 03:55 AM
edited on May 21, 2008 at 08:44 AM      
 
I could never get the thing to make any sense and don't know anyone who
ever could. The planchette would move, sometimes very fast but the
messages were just gobbledygook. Here's an example:
 
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
 
Who knows ?
 
Howard
 
[Infoburst: Howard, stop winding up naive users of this forum. For any who want to take the matter further H P Lovecraft's esoteric writings will lead them in to the Cthulhu mythos - Denise W.]
 
Topic     Ouija boards     posted by JK User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:48 AM      
 
The 'problem' with Ouija boards of course is that they were once
sold as a toy, some people found that the 'toy' actually worked,
it's reputation grew to where it was practically banned (In the UK)
although not illegal, then all sorts of folks usually school kids
or people at parties and the like started to use makeshift ouija's
with tumbler and card-letters. Of course, 99% of these people either
expected or wanted to have the living shit scared out of them and
naturally 'the Devil' obliged, with much exaggerated reports in books, tabloids, and warnings from the vicar. To my mind intelligent
use of a ouija by sincere people is not dangerous, and the SA does
not sell them to kids, and states a warning to the unsound of mind
not to use, and also tells all purchasers (in the instructions) to
beware and test all messages before believing them.
The hundreds of cheap-shite angel boards and crypt-boards on ebay
are a bigger 'danger' than the genuine occult board sold by the SA.
 
JK
 
Topic     RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick     posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:26 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:54 AM      
 
Justin - Many years ago as a young person I was involved in a circle who met once a week to participate in the ouija board. I totally understand and agree with Israel Regardies comments in his Tree of Life book. We were very naïve at this time, we belonged to no esoteric path and indeed did not even talk of occultism being in the same vein of what we were doing. I would imagine in the time of I Regardie the people who worked the ouija board would not have taken it seriously and indeed as commonly known were at one time parlour games. Because we took no safety precautions we experienced very negative experiences. All the circle divorced and their lives became a mess. My husband and I were the only ones who came from this experience emotionally unscathed but I have never forgotten those experiences. Used in a safe way the ouija board is a tool that can be used with success. Kimball used the Rosy Cross oexp which is excellent and although I have not used or ordered the SA ouija board I am sure it would come with instruction for proper use.
 
 
[Infoburst: It certainly does come with instructions Mrs J. Often it is the priceless information by Marabas which makes all the difference to being able to safely put magical methods into practice and this is very much the case with our Ouija-Board which we have sold for over three decades now and during all that time we have only one record of a problem occuring out of hundreds of thousands of uses. Statistically that makes Ouija Boards the safest way to travel! You are right of course the Ouija was sold in toyshops up until quite recently when fundie pressure and the child-scare industry campaigned to have them removed. There's a big story beyind this but I haven't space to cover it here. See some of the details on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm  or goto http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spellins.htm
And scroll down to: Seance Spellkit Instructions: How To Hold A Successful Seance:
BB Denise W. ]
 
 
Topic     RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick     posted by kimball User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 12:54 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:48 AM      
 
THE THREE BOOKS OF OCCULT WEAR WRITEN WEAR WRITEN IN A TIME WEAR PEOPLE WEAR STILL EXECUTED FOR WITCHCRAFT. so it is writen in a very lukewarm manner. but compare with the stuff of to day i can see what you mean. ive been trying the s.a weeje board withe necronomicon inscense and the rosy cross oexp after would i have gotten some nice result's.
 
[Infoburst: Kimball, just to clarify, JK was not speaking about the Three Books of Occult Philosophy by Cornelius Agrippa de Nettesheim but a book written as a polemic against Ouija Boards by some American fundamentalist with a similar name. Agrippa's book is a marvellous sourcework of occult information and initiated techniques which should be on every serious occultists bookshelf so treasure your copy and have faith in it - more details on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm. Glad to have your feedback on your successes with the S.A. Ouija Board.
 
Topic     RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick     posted by Ron User
posted on May 19, 2008 at 10:50 AM      
 
Yeah, Spiritualist mediums at that time were often the equivalent of
2.00 a minute phone-line psychics today.
- Ron.
 
Topic     RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick     posted by JK User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 04:26 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:52 AM      
 
Justin,
 
I don't know about the Regardie book (I've read some of Crowley's
comments on spiritualism and they reflect on the fraudsters of the
time, also mentioning the astral shells and such).
 
I did waste money on the Cornelius book and it is utter drivel in my
opinion, almost seems ghost-written by some Pentecostal minister in
places (and acually quotes some American satan hunters !)There's only
a few lines actually by Crowley in the whole book so the title is
deceptive too.
 
I have one of the SA's older Weejee boards so I can't comment on the
spirit-dial but I can tell you there's no harm in trying it as long
as you're not mentally unbalanced to begin with. I think, and I'm sure
Denise can verify, the SA boards have positive/safe symbolism (Kabbalistic
I think ?)
 
Rgds, JK.
 
 
[Infoburst: Thank you JK, yes, our boards are very balanced, unlike some of the more commercial ones which include graphics of skulls, tombstones, and Halloween-type images. With those on the board what sort of contacts do users think they are going to get? No wonder Regardie was worried! ]
 
Topic     For SA: Ouija boards and Magick     posted by Justin User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 12:26 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:44 AM      
 
Hi Denise/SA,
 
what is Marabas' opinion of the disdain for spirit communication and gaining of psychic powers and results-magic expressed by Israel Regardie in his book 'The Tree of Life' ? I have seen that Regardie is praised and quoted oftentimes by the SA, yet he seems to have had very different opinions, especially in the said book where he particularly knocks as dangerous all forms of attempted spiritism/mediumship without the use of Ceremonial magic. Quote: "The medium, once she has opened the door of her astral and psychic organization, is unable to control herself. Nor is she able to exert discrimination as to what shall or shall not enter by the open door and take possession of her personality". I was tempted to shelf Regardie's concerns as simply old fashioned but recently the same kind of thing has been put out in the book "Aleister Crowley and the Ouija board" by J.Edward Cornelius who says that persons using a ouija without Ceremonial magick, circle, triangle and all are liable to become possessed by demons. Regardie and Cornelius both suggest that 'normal'ouija use/spiritism usage is futile as it only attracts astral corpses who display no intelligence. My own opinion is neutral but I'd like to know what Marabas/SA think as you supply these boards presumably most used by non-ritualists(?) and is your Ouija safe because of the invocator-dial ? are
others without it dangerous ?
 
Thanks, Justin.
 
 
[Infoburst: Greetings Justin. I believe that the critical comments by Regardie about the 'freestyle' use of Ouija Boards in impromptu seances was a technical complaint, not a value judgement. See my contribution below for more details - Denise W.]
 
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Topic     RE: Out of print Crowley     posted by Denise W. User
posted on June 30, 2009 at 03:13 PM      
 
Do not worry JohnK this is a cyclic situation due to the production curve related to demand. During the 1970s Crowley's works were rare due to lack of demand and copyright problems. His books took off with a vengeance during the 1990s when the copyright problem was also ameliorated and the OTO linked up with Weisers and other mainstream publishers to print and distribute the most popular and in-demand Crowley works. The market then became saturated and those adherents who originally bought now seek more arcane writings. In the present economic climate publishers will wait until sufficient back-orders exist before scheduling a reprint. The vast amount of investment required to put all of Crowley's enormous writings into print at one time is beyond even most specialist publishers. The O.T.O which has done a sterling job so far is also restrained by market forces but will continue to publish needed treatises when possible as Robert has indicated. Basically it is just a matter of being patient. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Out of print Crowley     posted by Robert User
posted on June 25, 2009 at 08:23 PM      
 
I think it's something that will need patience. The OTO (Caliphate)
is doing a good job of issuing superbly edited, annotated and
corrected editions of Crowley's works (Magick Book 4 is a superb
example) and they now have all copyrights so hopefully books like
Magick without tears, and the Confessions will eventually get reissued.
I think it's an eventuality. Crowley is more popular now than ever
and people no longer believe all the BS about him so there is a demand.
I guess the Thoth deck is reprinting due to popularity ?
 
Robert.
 
Topic     Out of print Crowley     posted by John K User
posted on June 24, 2009 at 01:35 AM      
 
Does anyone know why so many of Aleister Crowley's books
that were available 10 or 15 years ago are now unobtainable
except to pay through the nose for grubby second hand copies ?
Even the Thoth Tarot deck seems unobtainable at present.
 
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Topic     RE: Paganism/Monotheism in magic     posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 03:29 PM      
 
Hi William. In magic 'Everything that is possible is permissible' There is no bar in you experimenting with anything providing it does not harm another. Dogmatic restrictions are often just that - sacred cows which should be personally tested and not perpetuated by rote. Having said that, Marabas teaches that beyond a certain level the initiate will realise that magic falls into two major schools of thought. Pantheistic and monotheistic. This divide seems small to the untutored observer because every pantheon of gods has an ultimate supreme deity so may be thought monotheistic at its pinnacle yet technically the difference is SO great that one will, by the very nature of the Seeker, count itself out for him/her. There is no space to elaborate in detail here but meditate on the difference between all things being caused by God and all things being a part of god. The Pantheistic vs Monotheistic divide is an issue which constantly confuses much of the teaching of ritual magic today. So! To begin with be eclectic and adopt whatever is necessary to experiment but keep in mind what the Golden Dawn taught. 'Whether the gods exist or not is an irrelevant argument because the universe behaves as though they do.' BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Paganism/Monotheism in magic     posted by William User
posted on July 06, 2008 at 02:42 PM      
 
Hi All,
 
Is it possible for a Wiccan to use monotheistic magic eg if one is dedicated to the Goddess/God and wants to use a talisman from the
Goetia,etc, would this be permissible or could it have an effect of splitting the personality or diluting ones magic ? Or to put it another way what would Witches generally think of using Goetic/
Theurgic Talismans. As SA sell these and also write on Paganism what
would your reasoning be here ? Would Marabas teach both are compatible ? Sanders (and Gardner ?) also used Theurgic ceremonial symbolism/circles etc. As a former Christian seeking to get all that
stuff behind me I am a bit confused with the God and Angels stuff,
so not the most comfortable with monotheism but classic teachings on talismans etc, are theurgic. I also find similar difficulties with Connolly's otherwise superb Tarot handbook for the Apprentice with the monotheistic prayers she recommends. Something I need to get my head round, but am getting nowhere with it myself.
 
Any help appreciated, Thanks, William.
 
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Topic     Paul McKenna-Paranormal world     posted by Alex User
posted on December 19, 2009 at 01:05 AM
edited on December 21, 2009 at 09:14 AM      
 
Dear S.A,
I bought a second hand copy of a book called 'The paranormal world of Paul McKenna' last week from a charity shop. It relates happenings he investigated for a TV series of the same name in
the early 90's. I was interested to see that at the end there is an advertisement and contacts section including the Sorcerer's
Apprentice address and phone number. Can S.A say if they were ever in contact with Paul McKenna re hypnosis or the paranormal ? Alex.
 
 
[INFOBURST:
Greetings Alex. Compliments of the Solstice to you. Yes we did. There's hardly a famous psychic or celebrity whom he hasn't influenced in some way. Marabas's unstinting and largely unheralded work with the media is a constant and continuing part of his attempt to break down the age-old stereotypes which the Xists use to discredit the Mysteries and frighten ordinary folk off developing their innate powers of perception and freedom of thought. His detractors and those gutter-media people he has refused always try to suggest he is a publicity monger but Marabas often spends a great deal of time behind the scenes educating and informing genuine journalists and researchers and has had a tremendous effect on the scope and direction of the media approach to occultism over the past thirty years. That's why the fundies made him their number one enemy all those years ago! They don't mind the people who are in it for the money. They are frightened witless of one who has truly serious intent.
BB DeniseW]
 
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Topic     planchettes auto writing     posted by marie User
posted on December 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM      
 
I have the
 
brass planchette I bought it year before last from sorcerers apprentice but all I get when i use it is childs squidles and nothing of any truth where am I going wrong.
 
[Infoburst: This could take far more space than I am allowed here because you appear untutored and insensitive to psychic things and are missing the point. The squiggles may indeed be from a child! They may equally be the precursor to proper contact as the strength of the energies between you and the spirit build up. Experienced Mediums have the Knacks required to tune in and use an Autowriter. If you are a raw beginner then you would be better off using our Ouija Board to start with.
 
It includes a unique Invocator Dial which teaches you how to 'tune-in' spirits and energies - see here - safely. It is all a matter of knowledge and experience. Did you repeat your contact experiments at the same time on the same day and take account of the
 
phases of the moon or did you just randomly sit down anytime? All these things and more can improve your response. BB Denise W]
 
 
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Topic     planchettes auto writing     posted by marie User
posted on December 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM      
 
I have the
 
brass planchette I bought it year before last from sorcerers apprentice but all I get when i use it is childs squidles and nothing of any truth where am I going wrong.
 
[Infoburst: This could take far more space than I am allowed here because you appear untutored and insensitive to psychic things and are missing the point. The squiggles may indeed be from a child! They may equally be the precursor to proper contact as the strength of the energies between you and the spirit build up. Experienced Mediums have the Knacks required to tune in and use an Autowriter. If you are a raw beginner then you would be better off using our Ouija Board to start with.
 
It includes a unique Invocator Dial which teaches you how to 'tune-in' spirits and energies - see here - safely. It is all a matter of knowledge and experience. Did you repeat your contact experiments at the same time on the same day and take account of the
 
phases of the moon or did you just randomly sit down anytime? All these things and more can improve your response. BB Denise W]
 
 
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Topic     RE: codex     posted by Mrs J User
posted on March 31, 2009 at 09:19 AM
edited on March 31, 2009 at 09:47 AM      
 
Yes - you are totally right Denise, however, 15 years ago only alternative thinking people used natural remedies. They were of no consequence to the moneymakers. Now it is mainstream the self interest of the moneymakers is being compromised by people taking responsibility for themselves. I hope it is not too late to make them feel uncomfortable about their misdeeds. I hope by people in the now expressing their thoughts on this it may make it more difficult for their agenda. Most people out there as we all know on this forum exist mainly in the material and this physical action is where most people will have common ground and feel it is their only way of expressing their concern. The physical after all is where the agenda exercise most of their control over our mass. Why because we are where they put us - either dumbed down with addidiitves, drugs, conformity or delusion.
 
Marabas has always been a knight before his time - trying to wake people from their slumber - I can only but imagine the frustration he has encountered
 
Blessed be
 
 
[Infoburst: I agree with you Mrs J, but this is not just about money, it is also about the Power Shadow of the Medical Monopoly which underpins the Establishment. Those who still think of doctors as caring healers should read Martin Fido's shocking book The World's Worst Medical Mistakes. About 10,000 people die unnecessarily in hospitals every year in the U.K. from mis-dosage alone. The constant bleatings from medical professionals about the damage that alternative healing might do should be weighed against the proven death-count from the NHS which is quickly glossed over in favour of feigned outrage about a one-in-a-million reaction to unlikely overdoses of Vitamins! BB Denise W.
 
Topic     codex     posted by kimball User
posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM      
 
all so hears the address for ther flyer to hand out
http://www.acumedic.com/codex.pdf
 
Topic     RE: codex alimentarius     posted by Mrs J User
posted on March 26, 2009 at 10:32 AM      
 
Thanks Kimball - done that
 
Topic     codex alimentarius     posted by kimball User
posted on March 25, 2009 at 11:21 AM      
 
all so type in codex alimentarius into search engine
 
Topic     please sign this petition against CODEX     posted by kimball User
posted on March 24, 2009 at 03:08 PM
edited on March 26, 2009 at 11:14 AM      
 
sign this petition to stop big business from stealing natural remidies from you.
check out theys link's
www.anhcampain.org/campains/codex
www.consumersforhealthchoice.com
www.herballure.com/special/webecomesilent/quicktime.html
 
go hear to sign petition http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/vitamins/
 
thank you for more info go to www.acumedic.com/codex.pdf
 
[Infoburst: You are probably not aware that Marabas warned the alternative healing and therapy industries FIFTEEN YEARS AGO ago that a campaign was in progress by the medical establishment to restrict and eventually ban most forms of Alternative Healing including self-help through dietary supplements. At that time he published and distributed the facts to everyone concerned in the New Age including therapists but because most of this latter lobby are in the thrall of the medical monopoly and consider themselves part of it they repudiated Marabas's warnings and went back to sleep, thereby allowing the BMA to set itself up influencing European legislation that has now resulted in these pernicious new laws. Now that it is FAR TOO LATE those very same therapists etc. are clamouring for YOUR help to stop a fait acomplis. The petition will achieve little - but sign it if it makes you feel better. Other warnings Marabas gave out years ago are also coming true to general detriment. What a pity people don't listen to what he says when he says it and by default allow the Xists to ride rough-shod over their rights!   You can see some of this here: http://saff.nfshost.com/healing.htm BB Denise W.] 
 
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Topic     RE: PeeCee     posted by personal_emails2ATyahoo.co.uk User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 11:35 PM      
 
Hi,
 
Thanks! I don't see all change as evolution!! Some of it is, but just like crazy evalgelicals who would 'change' you into going back to church, not all change is evolution. Abandoning positive change is a move away from evolution,and a step back into devolution! Amazing how the independence movement in Scotland and Wales for instance is referred to as devolution, but correctly it describes an the implied return to a condition prior to the evolution of what is the United Kingdom. Any backward move can be looked upon as evolution, and I suppose sometimes it is necessary and sometimes not. Even with a few steps back, a reversing to a different portion of the road,where one could turn left or right,at some point one has to move forward again,and move with the evolutionary flow.
 
A lot of the problem, is of course - with things like pc - it is others ( unseen and unknown!!) who are directing what we should ALL believe and ALL think irrespective of individuality and different points of view - There is no debate and no choice, just INSTRUCTION!! Try moving against any of that instruction = no job,no friends,ludicrous accusations and visits from the police. Not that such things have happened to me,because I just rant an rave at home, and my wife and I get well angry about it all. Sometimes we're almost jumping up and down in our anger as a sort of release, because we both have jobs where we have to watch every tiny,weenie peenie little p and q, all of the time - but a lot of the time, we just laugh and have couple of bottles of wine. Plenty more like us I should imagine - I know there are!!
 
Bring back the world of sane ordinary folk ( Devolution) and give us comedy like Steptoe and Son. Get rid of pc and the mind controllers and put the cctv in the bin (Devolution) and then let us be free (Evolution). result = a better world with no nannies and far less war,class hatred or corruption.
 
That's my gripe for the night.
 
bye!!
 
Topic     RE: PeeCee     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 02:16 PM      
 
Is see where you are going R.P. And in the given circumstances I would agree. But lets not let politeness get in the way of a good debate.
Its hard to say when politness ends and pc begins. I get the impression that you are creating as many labels as you are trying to avoid. If i sit on a table does it then become a chair? All labels serve as refrence points for the mind. Robert Anton Wilson says "the map is not the territory" PC and politeness generate the same experience and I think Dennise addition of verbal RESTRAINT put the cherry on the cake. Has the world gone mad or is it just evolving. Reading the Book of Law I see the sense in what is happening around me. Evolution can be a Bitch
 
Smile and Wink
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: PeeCee     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 02:16 PM      
 
Is see where you are going R.P. And in the given circumstances I would agree. But lets not let politeness get in the way of a good debate.
Its hard to say when politness ends and pc begins. I get the impression that you are creating as many labels as you are trying to avoid. If i sit on a table does it then become a chair? All labels serve as refrence points for the mind. Robert Anton Wilson says "the map is not the territory" PC and politeness generate the same experience and I think Dennise addition of verbal RESTRAINT put the cherry on the cake. Has the world gone mad or is it just evolving. Reading the Book of Law I see the sense in what is happening around me. Evolution can be a Bitch
 
Smile and Wink
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: PeeCee     posted by RP User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 01:58 AM      
 
The world is going mad. In fact, it has been going there for a long time! My point, is that pc is exaccerbating the problem. Far from creating peace and harmony, it is contributing to antagonism and war.
 
Marabas is right in referring to politeness as a 'syndrome', but at least politeness is tollerable. PC is simply bananas - and everyone seems to think so - generally speaking,and in my experience.
 
Honesty! One of the keys to enlightenment is honesty. how could anyone know truth or be enlightened if all they ever did was BS themselves and each other with PC BS? That is the point!!
 
Topic     RE: THE with being myselves.     posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:21 PM      
 
Gentlemen - standards are good - politeness just opens up the world of psychology
 
Topic     RE: THE with being myselves.     posted by RP User
posted on May 23, 2010 at 02:23 AM
edited on May 23, 2010 at 07:35 AM      
 
Yes, on that I think that I will give another reply in another two and a half years!
 
 
[infoburst: Please don't keep us waiting that long RP! Did you know that there used to be a charity for Politeness but it had to be disbanded through lack of support? True. I think that what you and Ricenpeas are debating is really Verbal Restraint and mixing it up with the currently fashionable Political Correctness (a modified form of VR) might cloud the issue. Everything we do and say is conditioned and implanted before we are old enough to even perceive ourselves as separate beings therefore Marabas teaches that it is essential that we break those bonds of conventionality to liberate our true intellectual pespective. There are many ways of doing this. Anathema is one (greatly favoured by LHP adherents) but most occult methods require it and have techniques to achieve it through self observation. Socrates said Man Know Thyself - because it is the key to all esoteric successes. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: THE PHENOMENOLOGY OF POLITENESS...the trouble with being myselves.     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on May 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM      
 
Politeness has evolved as has Pc. Niether are new, and both develop new forms. Both are used to keep us in a managble little box, and both stump our evolution of the indervidual. I am not suggesting the reader abandons either, i am suggesting we free ourselves and move beyond them. Understand there effect and use them as we desire. How do you suggest the reader tackles PC coz there is only so far ranting can take you:)
 
PS Strawberries can be green and a man with one leg isnt disabled if hes stationary.
 
Smiles
 
Ricenpeas
 
Topic     RE: THE PHENOMENOLOGY OF POLITENESS...the trouble with being myselves.     posted by RP User
posted on May 21, 2010 at 04:15 PM      
 
Nice to see that this debate has started up again after placing my comment some two and a half years ago!! Nice.
 
I still maintain that PC is a very negative set of 'invisible' instructions ( From what source does this crap emanate from anyway?) that nobody ever voted for!! It is my belief that political correctness has nothing to do with politeness - as described by the previous person who left a message - but that it is in fact simply something to control us all yet further, an attempt at social engineering through distorting innate perception and innate fact! Politeness was around long before the thought police started messing around with your vocabulary and the cognitive processes!! They tried a similar thing in the Soviet Union, but in the end everybody knew that strawberries really are red and that a person with one leg is disabled!! None of such natural distinctions are prejudiced as the PC pundits claim - they are just truths which the PC policy people don't like. No doubt because in their distorted minds they need to believe in falsehood and lies! Hmm! There's my halfpenny for you!
 
Ooops! By saying 'halfpenny' I have probably transgressed the PC rule again!( Oh dear!).Such a statement could imply that a half penny is something less than a full penny and that consequently it could be worth less on the open market! It also implies that a halfpenny is only half as good as a full penny and so there is a need for a PC re-evaluation of the term 'halfpenny'to irradicate injustice and prejudice. I'm not sure what the PC nerds would come up with, but how about 'differently perceived penny, or perhaps the 'similar penny'? I leave it to the forum to decide ;-)) Ciao
 
From a libertarian . I'm not a fascist just because I despise politically correct BS
 
Topic     THE PHENOMENOLOGY OF POLITENESS...the trouble with being myselves.     posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on May 15, 2010 at 04:08 PM      
 
What is politeness? some may say that it is the opposite of rudeness, that politeness is showing courtesy to others, so we all feel comfortable. A lovely idea that greases the cogs of society, and allows us all to get along. Or is it? Is it just a way of keeping us all in our box? Is it actually the ultimate killjoy? How does politeness effect the Individual and the Xist super Spirit we call Society. Well, lets see.
Let us experiment with politeness and see what answers we yield. Try eliminating the words Thankyou from your vocabulary for a few days. You might find that you will wont to compensate by replacing thankyou with cheers or a nod with the head. Try and stop any expression of thanks. You may feel in your gut an awful feeling. Great, coz thats what we want. Often we say thankyou for the sake of it. This is habit not expression.
Now try something "abnormal" like singing a Wham song at the top of your voice on a busy street, or periodically shouting your name and birth sign whilst doing your weekly shop. Theres that feeling again, pulling us back to politeness.
"Wow ricenpeas, where are you going with this crazy experiment" you may ask.
Well my dear reader here is the point. OUR POLITENESS STUMPS OUR CREATIVITY.
Examin the feeling, coz im sure its not new to us. How many things have you wanted to do but didnt coz of this feeling? How much living has been lost through other peoples ignorance? Personally i can say lots. I have said before that the word personality means to display a set of characteristics and depending on my mood and environment depends on which pesonality eye am in. It is very easy to see in children, they can do imaginative, loving, hateful, generous, or fearful, all in the space of a couple of hours. There creativity expressed in so many ways. On the whole, us Adults prefer to show just 1 personality and the world goes mad if we act out of character. Surely in this Aeon of Individualism we should seek out this feeling and transcend it. Do What Thou Will Be The Whole Of The Law not Do What Thou Will as long as it does not challenge anyone elses comfort zones.
 
All the best
 
Ricenpeas
 
 
Ricenpes
 
Topic     RE: Political correctness,     posted by Karen User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 01:12 AM      
 
Progressive folks here in the U.S. like to call that particular network "Faux News", for self-evident reasons (LOL)...
 
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Topic     RE: Political correctness,     posted by feeorin User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 07:39 PM      
 
hi there,
 
all caught up now, and can see ur point x
 
Topic     RE: Political correctness,     posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 10:26 AM      
 
Hi Feeorin
 
Sorry mate, I'm in the UK as well. It is just that Fox News have a reputation for being, well, how can I say this without getting sued? I know - they have a reputation for being inaccurate and biased.
 
So I was simply suggesting that people take the link to their news site with a small salt mine.
 
Topic     RE: Political correctness,     posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 07:10 PM      
 
Thanks Feorin. I like your postings as well.
 
Topic     RE: Political correctness,     posted by feeorin User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 08:11 PM      
 
well said!
 
Topic     RE: Political correctness,     posted by RP User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 07:35 PM      
 
Political correctness is the curse of our time! Speech police and thought police go hand in hand, and though I wish to offend nobody, I dislike the fear and paranoia of having to watch every p and every q ( and that does not include the other 24 letters in the alphabet!).
 
Basically, it seems to me, that generally, humans are very ( and I do mean VERY) small minded and altogether far too easily offended! People should try growing up with a funny name, as I had to do, if they want to have a true perspective - rather than just an ignorant general opinion - of what to say and what not to say and in fact if this offends or does not offend.
 
When you think about it, being forced into silence is extremely oppressive! In many people this causes enormous inner turmoil and repression. Such a situation is far more likely, not less, to result in the extremes of behaviour that we all fear most of all ie violence, racism and other related crimes etc.
 
It is a shame that people cannot - legally - let off steam! That way, we can learn to laugh at a lot of the problems in life instead of being eaten up by them 'all' of the time! The stress levels of our PC society are really intolerable, and although I do not believe we can speak 'exactly' how we would wish in this forum, I think that a 'spirit' of no PC is at least something, and it is so refreshing!
 
The worst PC scenario would be in the occult itself! The legacy of secrecy - still very much to the fore these days - combined with an inability or a fear of saying exactly what you mean would render the whole process of magickal and spiritual development incomprehensible - if not impossible to achieve.
 
Long live the S.A and thanks for giving me the power to be a free spirit and a free thinker. I just need to find a free pub and I will be all the way there! Cheers!
 
Topic     RE: Political correctness,     posted by feeorin User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 04:07 PM      
 
duh me, i just caught up! im climbing back into my cave and ive gone back to sleep.... sorry :s
 
Topic     RE: Political correctness,     posted by feeorin User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 04:05 PM      
 
hi puretongue,
 
im really confused as to what u mean! if its anything im from the uk and i dont get fox news!!! i have no idea what ur on about (please excuse me if im being a bit thick!)
 
Topic     RE: Political correctness,     posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:27 PM      
 
Sorry, someone citing Fox News? Should I read that with "Once upon a time.." preceding it?
 
Topic     RE: Political correctness,     posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 04:26 PM      
 
I agree. I do not believe in playing the victim role.
 
I think the ideal maxim is to live by example. However, on occasions, it is kind of nice when situations arise whereby we can do something that sideswipes mass populace presumptions about our ilk.
 
This week, the High Priest of The Church Of Satan received an email that required action.
 
It has made national news in the U.S.A
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316967,00.html
 
Topic     Political correctness,     posted by feeorin User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 01:20 PM      
 
hi there,
 
Is it me or is there a re-occuring theme throughout this forum of political correctness, not by the ppl taking part, but how disgruntalled we all are about the way most of us are treated by other more covential faiths! Im not saying for one minute that we should all come out of the shadows and shout to the world... hell no! It fine for the ppl to accept convential beliefs, in fact even if we dont we still have to shut up and accept it anyway. Without reciving half of the same curtosy. I dont want to build churches, be on tv, show ppl how its done.. none of that interests me! but it seems to me that in a world of 'political correctness' the older beliefs are ignored. I live in a small town and the only acceptable reason for withdrawing your child from saying prayers is that your one of the worlds acceptable religions! i gave no reason for my child not doing prayers other than its my choice as his mother! ive been following this path since i was 16, been rejected by my family for it! even had them calls social services in order to protect my child from such 'things'. yet they wouldnt even concider ringing them on someone who has muslim, jehover, buddist beliefs! In school my son is taught that at halloween we draw pictures witches flying etc.... but not taught how this tradtion came about, when i teach him about all hallows eve i have to dress it up so when he repeats to his teacher what i have said it avoids the whispers behind myself and my childs back.... its all crap if u ask me!!! I aware im ranting but its hard to say what u really want to say without sounding 'politically incorrect!!'
 
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Topic     RE: World in peril?     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 02:33 AM      
 
A non government researcher stated that Earths population expansion is potentially enormouse, providing that our workplaces, homes, are built upwards! Thus leaving enough space for food production. Interesting concept.
 
Topic     RE: World in peril?     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 11:23 AM      
 
who says the world is overpopulated; the government??? I think it is all about control, they do not say that people are dying, but you say they die as in world catastrophies to make or try and make space, does the world really work like this.
 
I know there is always a balance and it would work in that manner, but I do feel government have not one idea about the way occultists see things, they always come at it with how it can benefit them. There have always been earthquakes it is nothing new, yet the media in this day and age have the means to force feed every little bit of bad things happening in the world down your throat. So that is coming at this from control way, but if you are trying to say the world is fighting back, yes I do believe we are connected to the world by energy matrix patterns, astral flux and tides, etc...the wise occultists has to work their destiny through the concrete jungle of the so called rat race today, so it is good you are looking at things from this level.
 
I would like to know what others also think about this 
Topic, is the world really fighting back are we and the world in peril.
 
Topic     World in peril?     posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 04:05 PM      
 
The astonishing arrogance of the scientific community, and their statements, are absurd. Science cannot analyse other beings/entities; therefore they do not exist. Other dimensions, or planes of existance cannot be measured; i.e; do not exist.
However, for quantum physics to work mathematically, 21, (I think) extra dimensions must be 'invented', for the math to work.
We live in approx 7% of known space, the rest is invisible to us, and labelled ; dark matter. Other dimensions?
"If the world dies, so do we." What? If we destroy ourselves, the Glorious Planetary Spirit, Gaia, who we live on, will simply shake off the debris, and continue evolution in another manner.
Why say; 'End of the world' when you mean,end of Humanity?
The Chinese system, as discussed, would seem to be the only viable alternative; that said, many believe that if the cause be nuclear weapons, bio-chemical warfare, the greenhouse effect, unless
you havn't been paying attention, a catastrophe is expected, which will hurl us into a new dark age, as happened at the last Aeon change. I doubt that over population will be of much concern.However this race evolves, to be part of it is a wondrous adventure!
 
Topic     RE: Population crisis     posted by Alexander User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM      
 
Sounds a bit like Communist China, that one-child thing. You'd have
to overturn the UN declaration of human rights. What about giving schoolgirls
contraceptive implants so that only responsible adults can reproduce, and
give higher benefits to those who are productive, limiting benefits to food
stamps only for professional dole queue breeders ? No incentive would exist
then to just sit back, sponge and breed-for-benefits.
 
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Their should be a policy of one child per person, if people are allowed to continue to have children at an uncontrolled rate, we will see more demise of the world and other species will become extinct, as we breed like parasites sucking the life out of its host.
If the world dies so do we.
 
Topic     Population crisis     posted by Herne User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 08:21 PM      
 
We have reached our limits on population, by 2030 the population will be estimated 9 billion.
We are already seeing the affects now, with a shortage food and fuel and land for housing, people were not ment to live so cramed together, even raw materials are running out, some scientists have already said that the Western world will see its first famine this century.
If the population is not controlled, we will see more violence drug use as people try to escape the slums which they will be forced to live in, whether they are rich or poor.
It is utter madness why the government wants us to live longer healthier lives, when they allow so many children to be born.
Their should be a policy of one child per person, if people are allowed to continue to have children at an uncontrolled rate, we will see more demise of the world and other species will become extinct, as we breed like parasites sucking the life out of its host.
If the world dies so do we.
 
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Topic     RE: Pregnancy     posted by Willowtree User
posted on May 04, 2010 at 04:19 PM      
 
I also found during my pregnancy (many moons ago) that mint herbal tea was very good for morning and evening sickness.
 
Many congratulations on your pregnancy, by the way :-)
 
Topic     RE: Pregnancy     posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 04, 2010 at 10:07 AM
edited on May 05, 2010 at 12:45 PM      
 
Hi there Newstar, when my pregnancy was 10 days late and I was due to be induced, I was lucky enough to have a private midwife who was an old soul. Rather than be induced she gave me to a primrose oil pessary and said the baby will be born forthwith. She did also say she would deny giving it to me. I took the pessary and sure enough within 8 hours the baby was born and the birth was a good birth.
 
During my term I drank ginger tea when I felt queasy. Good luck Newstar.
 
 
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Topic     Pregnancy     posted by newstar User
posted on May 02, 2010 at 11:46 AM
edited on May 04, 2010 at 08:35 AM      
 
what herbs are traditionally used to help in pregnancy? Is there anything that should be avoided?
 
 
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Bearing this in mind Marabas says that some herbs have a powerful abortifacient effect and MUST NOT be taken during pregnancy. Rue is perhaps the most well known but there are others and so self-medication with herbs during pregnancy is something to be VERY careful with.
 
The traditional herb taken by women to regulate hormonal levels during pregnancy (it is the imbalance of hormones which can, for instance, cause morning sickness) is Ladies' Mantle (Alchemilla vulgaris). It is a plant which cunning women of old used to swear by for all 'women's complaints' and discomforts. Another very useful herb is Raspberry Leaf (Rubus idaeus )which has a growing (and valid) reputation for speeding and assisting in parturition - so easing the birth. These herbs are made up as a tea and drunk several times a day like normal tea. We will leave this thread open so that customers can make other recommendations.
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Topic     RE: Problems of being Anonymous     posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 23, 2008 at 01:58 PM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 02:01 PM      
 
Yes Paul; you are on the button with all three points. Unfortnately our host's (Pliner's) system cannot be switched to prompt for a unique pseudonym.
As you know there are a wide parameter of users on the SAEF, from raw beginner to advanced initiates, but often an experienced occultist can be a newbie at the net and make mistakes until they get used to the system. I have even had people complain that they have posted a message to the thread and that I have deleted it when I have done no such thing. What has happened is that the newbie has clicked on the email address of the person making the original forum message and unwittingly sent an email to them! (this is a facility which can be helpful to users for you can email individuals privately without having your message reflected in the thread). Similarly, the unthinking use of 'anonymous' can unintentionally soon get people at cross purposes. Some forum users have asked if it would be better if the forum were set to force people to put in their genuine email addresses but we feel that would mitigate against newbies who may feel intimidated but who are ready to participate if they feel their comments cannot be attributed. The upshot is that naive users can get confused about forum facilities and this coupled with such sensitive areas of discussion sometimes leads them to feel excluded or prejudiced against - hence their occasional outbursts. Naturally we always make clear that our FIRST AND FOREMOST intention is to be as empathic as possible to everyone's opinions and find a solution or answer for them so beginners should keep in mind that if it looks like we are being elitist it may be something they themselves have caused and a requesting clarification would be a wise next step. All the best - Denise W.
 
 
Topic     Problems of being Anonymous     posted by Paul User
posted on September 21, 2008 at 08:59 AM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 01:59 PM      
 
Moderator's comment carried over from an existing thread [INFOBURST: Will contributors PLEASE make up a pseudonym for themselves instead of putting in 'anonymous' or leaving it blank - which by default causes an 'anonymous' to appear. Otherwise newcomers to this forum will think that there is one really eclectic person making contradictory comments when it is in fact any number of people who have simply forgotten to make up a pseudonym for themselves! BB Denise]
 
 
 
This issue seems to be about a couple of things:
 
1) Awareness - a new person posting may not be aware of this request
2) Logic - so we know who is saying what.
3) Responsibility - seperates the Adepts from the neophytes.
 
Denise, is there no background script setting that ensures users put in a user name (excluding anonymous?).
 
This issue seems to be cropping up again and again, hence I figure a post, might be of use, but delete if not. :)
 
Cheers
 
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Topic     saff.hquk.uk     posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 13, 2008 at 12:35 AM
edited on April 14, 2008 at 11:16 AM      
 
Really like the saff site. i checked out creationist.org afterwards. my jaw is still on the ground.
 
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http:/www.saff.nfshost.com Was the first esoteric anti-defamation organisation set up in 1989 by the S.A. in the wake of the viscious persecution of Marabas and the S.A. by the British Media which resulted in the firebombing of the S.A. Bookshop in Leeds by fanatical fundamentalists. Originally Marabas had founded The Occult Information Interchange in 1988 to counter the evil religious lies which were the precursor to the Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth. When the S.A. was firebombed clients from all over the world spontaneously sent in money to help us rebuild. Marabas put all of this into a non-profitmaking fund (the S.A.F.F.) and has been the main philanthropic contributor ever since. The S.A.F.F. has contributed influentially in many ways to the freedom of speech worldwide - the true story may never be told but a lot of it is on the SAFF website. ]
 
 
Topic     RE: Recent Witchcraft Execution     posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 12:20 PM      
 
I agree with you Karen but they are not alone. Saudi Arabia's human rights record is absolutely appalling and far worse than some dictator lead countries, but let's not massage the political blind-spot. The machinery which works to keep the Saudi royal family in power has it's counterpart in the one which keeps the Establishment in power in the U.K. A ruling caste of priests who set an impossible moral standard for others to follow and then demand holy retribution against imperfect souls who fall from grace. The British law courts are full of this hypocrisy. Even in our so-called secular government the same mechanisms play out - viz the manic persecution of paedophiles. It's all mind-control. Check-out Marabas's Secrets of Mind Control - you can download it instantly from the net right now on www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindcont.htm which explains how all Monarchical and so-called democratic systems exist through unworthy people in positions of power enslaving or sacrificing people lower down the socio-economic scale through the gullibility of the masses in believing invented threats such as Satanic Ritual Child Abuse, Freemasonic and Atheistic/Communistic Conspiracies etc., Even Weapons of Mass Destruction which can be deployed in 45 minutes!*. (*clarification for overseas readers: Tony Blair used false threats of Saddam Hussain being able to hit London with weapons of Mass Destruction in 45 minutes to stampede Britain into an unnecessary war in Iraq) BB Denise W
 
Topic     RE: Recent Witchcraft Execution     posted by Karen User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:55 AM      
 
I've long heard that the Saudi royal family, who insist on exceedingly strict religious observance from their cowed subjects, live the lives of total libertines themselves. Hence there's a strong element of class oppression and corruption here, as well as fundamentalist misogyny, religious intolerance, etc.
 
Topic     RE: Recent Witchcraft Execution     posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 19, 2008 at 12:14 PM      
 
Hi Puretongue.
 
These witchcraft executions are utterly, tragic and a complete and unnecessary waste of life. It isn't just happening in Saudi because the SAFF [http://saff.nfshost.com] assure me they have files of similar executions all over Africa and Asia which are occurring all the time. Although there are cases where men are accused the vast majority of people who are put to death for witchcraft are and always were WOMEN. What we have here is the same patriarchal hate of women from exclusively male priesthoods who have feared the empowerment of women since time immemorial. It is an absolute scandal that so-called enlightened and liberal politicians in the West (invariably male!) turn a blind eye to this extreme form of sexism in other countries whilst prattling on at their home audience about equal rights for women!
 
The allegation that this poor woman made a man impotent and so must be executed says it all doesn't it? If we are not forcing men into raping us because we are irresistibly sexy we are to blame for them not being able to get it up.
 
It was this misogynist attitude to women which fuelled the Burning Times of the 14,15 and 16 centuries in Europe where millions of innocent women who had nothing whatsoever to do with the Old Religion were stripped naked and repeatedly sadistically sexually abused in torture chambers in sufferings so great that the occasional rape must have been a welcome respite from unbearable pain before these 'worthless and indecent' ladies were executed for witchcraft.
 
Of course the true value of the Ancient Wisdom is that it is not monotheistic - the god and goddess have equal status and respect. Many believe that a truly equitable society can only be achieved on this basis and that women will always be institutionally victimised in civilisations which adhere to a patriarchal monotheism. What say you? BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Recent Witchcraft Execution     posted by Puretongue User
posted on February 18, 2008 at 09:23 AM      
 
In November, Saudi Arabia executed an Egyptian for Sorcery. They currently have a woman, Fawza Falih, awaiting execution for witchcraft.
 
Convicted after being reported for making a man impotent, Fawza Falih is still effectively on death row, despite having the death penalty revoked by an appeal court, but a lower court has ruled that the execution should go ahead.
 
Now this is Saudi Arabia, but we can see in the news accounts online (Reuters, Human Rights Watch) that the prejuidices and oppressive psychological mechanisms in play in this case, are the same as were obvious during the SRAM and still exist here today.
 
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Topic     Regardie/Wang Tarot: Devil card     posted by Aaron User
posted on June 24, 2009 at 08:35 PM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:22 AM      
 
Dear SA/forum readers,
Greetings to all. I wonder if anyone here is familiar with the
Golden dawn tarot deck by Robert Wang supervised by Israel Regardie ?
I have received a copy of it as a gift and the devil card is very
similar to the Waite card except the goat's head is inside a pentagram
...and there are two further objects protruding from the baphomet's
head making seven points although these two ears/horns/whatever(?)
aren't inside the star. I have checked the Golden Dawn book by
Regardie and can find no explanation, and the booklet gives no
meaning of the symbology. Does anyone know what these things are ?
 
Thank you,
 
Aaron
 
 
[INFOBURST: The symbolism on some tarot cards can be quite eclectic and ruled more by asthetic forces, hence superflous symbols and sigils may appear. This casual approach does not apply to tarot designed by a qabbalist of the calibre of Regardie and so you should meditate on the Pleides and the sacred solids they often represent. BB Denise W.]
 
 
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Topic     Restriction.     posted by Babalonuit888. User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 03:58 AM      
 
Hail and farewell, as I depart to a Magickal retreat; a final
thought: A man, 'Rex', I believe, said:- "I sometimes forget that S.A. have 'issues' with the establishment."
I will open a website inviting an expected very few, to commune in an Astral Temple, soon. A relative? Let's say 'i', started a trial run, as a music station advertised the name, with S.A. added after 'Sexy boy' from China's perspective. The Holy Temple was advertised, as Astral, all well and good. However, I and,...'I' noticed an email request from a (to illumined clairvoyant gaze)
windows 'spaces' investigator, to enter our/my site! No.
'I' attempted to explain which symbols were to be meditated on, and when:- content blocked-'submit article' not possible. Temple now erased. By whom? I've experienced an infiltrator posing as a neophyte, trying to gain access via email to a 'worshipper of the great beast' amusing, as I'd observed him two days before email, on the Astral, glamoured in poorly constructed 'make up.' Physical proof, and he ran, all the way home, with me following.
But WHO was this? Which section of the establishment? I've erased several comments, which could place prominent people in an awkward light. Be wary, Brother/Sister, my personal experience lends weight to Fr. Marabus's theories. Let's not lose our freedom through carelessness.
Now, I retire, perhaps to re-emerge.
Blessings, One and All.
 
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Topic     RE: Rider Waite Tarot: Final word ?     posted by moon User
posted on January 01, 2009 at 03:30 PM      
 
Thanks you Denise and all all who contributed to this thread. I am enrolled for a local Tarot class on Wed. nights and they require this deck. I was looking for a Rider made version. I just ordered one from here.
 
Kudos to S.A.!!
 
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!!!!!
 
 
moon
 
Topic     RE: Rider Waite Tarot: Final word ?     posted by moon User
posted on January 01, 2009 at 10:46 AM      
 
Good information!!!
 
 
Thanks,
 
Moon
 
Topic     Rider Waite Tarot: Final word ?     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 09:42 PM      
 
Three part explanation of the Rider-Waite Tarot 'editions' confusion:
 
 
1)The SA's Rider-Waite Tarot are made by Rider of London. I have no idea of
how much stock SA have but what I can tell you is that these are the last
ones made by Rider and the best available. They are excellent quality. Once
the are gone you'll be stuck with the 'Original Rider waite deck' below:
 
2) Rider is now owned by Random House and they subcontract manufacturing of
the 'Original Rider Waite Tarot Deck' to a company in Italy where they make
a facsimile of an old 1910 deck, slightly different from the ones Rider made
(different because the colours are faded, etc, antique looking). These card
are marked (c) US Games 1971 because US Games (Stuart kaplan) have bought all
rights to the names Rider tarot/Waite Tarot, etc from Waite's daughter, and
Rider/Random can only now print new decks under licence from USG (losing
anyone ?) You can compare RW/ORW at http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/original-rider-waite/
 
3) America: The authorised American Waite Tarot is the US Games version of
1971 available in several sizes, so ignoring the sizes there are THREE
versions of the Rider/Waite Tarot.
 
Topic     RE: Pocket and mini Waite cards     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 11:43 AM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 01:02 PM      
 
Hi AJ, mine are the same size as the stanard playing cards but if the minituare ones was what Denise was referring to then I can see why she said they were not much use but I get on fine with mine.
 
 
[Infoburst: AJ is quite right. The ones we sold as 'pocket or miniature' Rider Waites were the smaller ones which were about 4 x 8 cm and it was these to which I was referring. To my mind their only advantage was that you could take them with you anywhere and, if necessary, even do a fortune spread on your knees on a train or bus etc., BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Pocket and mini Waite cards     posted by AJ User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 11:32 AM      
 
Re Pocket edition of the RW there were 2 of these, one interchangea
-bly called pocket and 'miniature edition'. The miniature really
was a novelty, a good bit smaller than playing cards, smaller than
a credit card. (AJ)
 
Topic     RE: Which Tarot Decks do you sell/recommend ?     posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 10:24 AM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 12:57 PM      
 
Hi Denise,
Why do you feel that the pocket edition were not much use? I did and still do still have the full size deck but was forever dropping them when I tried to shuffle due to the size of them so I purchased the smaller size which has identical symbollogy so therefore are as good for divination as the larger deck in my opinion....correct me if I have missed your point.
 
 
I didn't say they weren't any good for divination I said they weren't any good for magical purposes (i.e. too small/impractical to be used as symbol/meditation cards). We cannot tell from here how a client is going to use their cards -for divination or for meditation. Because the Rider was the first deck with the possibility of using the cards as meditational gateways to the pathways to the tree of life they need to be of a size which you can see without strain from a cross-legged position or seated in front of an altar and the smaller cards aren't large enough for that. Have you tried shuffling the regular sized pack end on? That works for me, even with Crowley's thoth deck. ;-) BB Denise W.
 
Topic     RE: Rider-Waite Blue pack/editions ?     posted by Alan User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 08:26 PM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 12:51 PM      
 
I have the Rider-Waite. I no longer have the box and can't remember now
what was on it, whether serpent or wheel of fortune ? I have an instruction
book that says Rider & Co, vauxhall, London, yet the cards are printed
US Games on the border. Again same background of lilies/roses and yes the
blue is turquoise blue, but not really green. They have good colours and
very plasticised. Does SA maybe have stock with an earlier box as official
site for Rider/Random house has the box John describes. Likewise, if SA
have a better deck, a picture might help if there is a link ?
 
I also have several editions of the Crowley-Thoth which vary from each other.
Old 2-piece white box OTO design is very smart but the cards aren't so good compared to modern editions: no 'spider-web' on the borders and a greenishness
to all the cards. Keep well, Alan.
 
[Infoburst: Hi Alan, Well I see I have kicked over a rat's nest of possibilities here. Firstly can I ask anyone contributing to this thread to say in which country they purchased their cards as obviously we only have partial knowledge of U.S editions? Rights issues were different in the U.S. to the U.K. and different boxes and back designs were used from edition to edition. The oldest Rider-Waite pack I and Marabas remember had the Fortuna card printed on the front of the box but on checking our little 'museum' here I found a 1993 edition pack with Temperance on the front! The oldest Rider-Waite pack we have (from the late 1970s has blue cross-hatching on the back of the cards (v.traditional). The current printing on our shelves has Fleur de Lys on the backs instead and so does the 1993 edition I mentioned. The later editions too all seem to have an Orouborous snake on the 'fly' card but the oldest pack doesn't! I reckon we need some Tarot historian who has kept track of the various editions to enlighten us, though it makes no difference magically, it is still a most necessary pack. BB Denise W.
 
 
Topic     Rider-Waite Blue pack/editions ?     posted by John User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 11:18 AM      
 
Hi Denise,
Thanks for the info on Rider-Waite Blue pack. I am wondering if
they are the same as the ones I have (one of few items I did not
obtain from SA as they were a Xmas gift). The box mine came in
identified Rider of London, but had a serpent biting it's tail
in a circle; blue card backs with white rose/lilies ? The box
title was 'Original Rider Waite Tarot Deck'. If yours are
different cards rather than just the box edition I'd be interested
in buying a deck.
 
Best Regards,
 
John.
 
Topic     Tarot decks     posted by John User
posted on June 30, 2008 at 06:40 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:51 AM      
 
Hi James,
As far as I have read,
The Rider-Waite deck was reissued in America in the early 1970's and coloured
in solid colours as all the publisher had was black and white plates. The Original Rider Waite deck is a facsimile of a 1910 edition and the colours are more subtle and have more shading and a water-colour look, I prefer the Original version myself. The Thoth deck used to be available in a smaller edition but may now be out of print ???
- John.
 
 
Hi John, Marabas says that the Rider Deck is so important that it has been in pretty well continuous imprint since the early 1970s when the current revival of interest in magical things spawned a market large enough to support it. There were some poorly printed early American packs produced by novelty companies on shoddy unplasticised stock which used to fall apart after a few dozen uses and these tended to be the pale coloured ones. (N.B. This is not a crack at American production methods - these cards were purposefully made down to a price). In the U.K. the cards were produced by the Rider publishing Company throughout (hence the name Rider-Waite Blue Pack which is the term sometimes used by occultists over here to distinguish the Rider Waite deck - it has always been provided in a cosmic blue box with the Fortune Card on the front as per tradition) and the quality of their stock and printing has been proved excellent. BB Denise W. ]
 
 
Topic     RE: Which Tarot Decks do you sell/recommend ?     posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 07:38 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:43 AM      
 
Hi, you used to be able to get the smaller version of the Rider Waite which I think were called the pocket edition which I have as the standard size are too big for me to shuffle. The deck I have are more colourful than a similar deck which I believe are called the Original Waite? I don't know if the SA stock these but I'm sure you can still get them.
 
 
Hi, We used to stock the pocket Rider but they were really a novelty -far too small to be of any use magically - and they weren't that much cheaper than a full size pack so to me there seemed little point. They went out of print some time back. We will probably stock again if they become available. BB Denise W. P.S. You can order a full-size Rider pack by
 
going to our equipment list and scrolling down to Tarot:Rider.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm ]
 
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Topic     RE: Which Tarot Decks do you sell/recommend ?     posted by James User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 07:34 PM      
 
Oops, I should have added I have seen some pictures of cards
from the Morgan Greer and Sacred Rose decks which I find
appealing but not sure if they're good decks to use or
even still in print ?
 
James.
 
Topic     Which Tarot Decks do you sell/recommend ?     posted by James User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 07:31 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:38 AM      
 
Hi SA, Can you tell me which Tarot Decks you regularly stock or recommend. I see the Waite and Crowley decks advertised but have a bit of a
problem/issue with each, and would appreciate anyone's recommending or advice on avoiding decks.
Crowley deck is too large to handle without dropping cards, though very stunning just to look at, but for me not practical and too advanced.
I like the Waite deck but it seems only available in the 'original' edition (Is this the one you sell ?). I used to have an old copy which was bright colours but the 'original' version is duller and has no blue, just turquoise/green for sky/water. Re other decks, do you have to be aware of them maybe being not symbolically correct ? Thank you, James
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi James, Marabas says the Rider Pack was the first pack to illuminate (symbolise) all 78 cards. Prior to this you had 22 trumps (picture cads) and 56 'normal' Tarock cards (i.e. 1-10, page, Jack, queen, king) but with Tarock symbols on them (discs, swords,clubs etc instead of diamonds,hearts,etc). These suit/minor arcana cards each had a significance but meanings traditionally varied. Waite did the marvelous job of illustrating the minor arcana so that the pictures showed what the meanings were; as well as deepening their occult significance in relation to QBL. Thus ALL modern occult packs have been pale reflections of the Rider pack but with various artistic styles overlaid. In many instances these 'new' packs were the result more of artistry than occult knowledge and some of them are symbolically and technically inept so you should start with the Rider persevere with it until you understand more about magical tarot and then when you are in the know make your choice from the other packs available. The Crowley tarot is large because the cards were intended for meditation/focus during rites more than for divination. Anyone who can't find a way of shuffling isn't trying hard enough! BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Historic Waite Tarot adverts, etc     posted by David User
posted on May 03, 2008 at 11:34 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:18 AM      
 
James,
Have you read A.E.Waite's Pictorial Key to the Tarot ?
Also, not the Waite deck, but the best book on Tarot
but very deep is Crowley's Book of Thoth.
 
David.
 
 
[Infoburst: Hi David, The Pictorial Key to the Tarot is simply The Key To The Tarot with pictures of the cards - hardly necessary if you have the pack. I agree with you that Crowley's Thoth Book is an EXCELLENT initiated exposition of the magicians tarot pack
 
(you can order it from here ) http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm but does not fit with the Rider Tarot Deck as some of the trumps are transposed. Additionally Crowley and Waite disliked each other intensley and represeented the New and Old Aeon approaches respectively. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     Rider Waite Tarot book     posted by James User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 09:38 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 04:00 PM      
 
Dear SA,
I have a pack of Rider-Waite Tarot cards and
 
Marabas's Quatro Tarot OEXP and was looking at your Tarot starter pack advertisement...can you tell me if a book is
with the pack and which book it is if it can be ordered separately ?, otherwise,
which is the best book especially for the Rider-Waite Tarot ?
 
Thank you,
James.
 
[INFOBURST: Hi James, It used to be - Key To The Tarot was written by Arthur Edward Waite specifically to act as an introduction to his cards but it is temporarily out of print - we should have more stocks late summer - you can check this by looking at our A-Z booklist www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm from time to time. There are plenty of other books with supplemental information on the Rider Pack, in particular those by E.Connolly. The Thoth Pack is completely different (Some Major Arcana cards are switched) in symbolism and intent to the Waite Pack. You will learn a LOT about both magick and tarot by reading Crowley's Book of Thoth (use booklist link above) but not about the Rider Waite pack. BB Denise W.
 
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Topic     Rune work, and health     posted by Cherry_Ripe User
posted on June 27, 2009 at 06:57 PM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM      
 
After several years of health and other problems, I am slowly becoming involved in magic again.
 
I would like to take up regular practice again. I'm thinking about rune stance/vibration, having been impressed by Jan Fries' 'Helrunar'. I tried it a number of years ago, and got some interesting results, including an experience that shook me up so much that I stopped for awhile.
 
I would appreciate some advice as to how, and indeed whether, to proceed, given my health worries. I'm reasonably ok at the moment, and don't want to mess things up.
 
 
[INFOBURST: This is a difficult one. In many ways one needs to be balanced and healthy to be able to surf magical forces without succumbing to negative energies, yet if one is imbalanced with Chi and looking to heal onself magic is also the solution. I think you should definitely read
 
Marabas's OEXP072 and OEXP073 which explains how to centre your Chi as well as create a balanced mind so that your magical work remains centred.. If you email me privately with the symptoms of your health situation M might be able to advise a magical technique to use to rebalance that and then you will be set for further esoteric exploration. BB Denise W. ]
 
 
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Topic     RE: Old Friends     posted by Mazkuth User
posted on April 12, 2010 at 02:09 PM      
 
I can confirm that Mazkuth, who helped guide so many people in his time, and who did indeed work from the moorland of Devon, passed away many years ago and is now on the Spirit plane.
For so many people that he helped, truly are blessed...
 
Topic     RE: Old Friends     posted by Antaresana User
posted on January 14, 2010 at 04:53 PM
edited on January 19, 2010 at 09:20 AM      
 
Hi, I put Mazkuth into the internet and came up with this site.Mazkuth helped me with an intractable problem that I had in the nineties and I have thought of him ever since and wondered whether he is still on the earth plane. I have tried writing to him at his address in Devon with no luck.I am still drawn to him,to me he was superb.
 
 
[INFOBURST: Customers of the S.A. , for whom this Forum is conducted, may be wondering why we include a thread on the 'disappeared' Mazkuth. The first reason is that the name is sufficiently close to Marabas that clarification is necessary, the second is to point out that of all initiates over the past three decades only Marabas and his S.A. service has been consistently available for all those thousands of people who rely on him for spiritual work. Of course, he is getting long-in-the-tooth now and will not be on this plane forever. When he passes to the summerlands no doubt others will be writing to forums about how they missed their chance like Antaresana has about Mazkuth. I am not besmirching Mazkuth's work but the phrase The Grass is Always Greener, springs to mind and as an avid follower of Marabas I take offence at those who do not appreciate his extensive efforts and successes. He has probably the best track record of any initiate in this area and I am taking this opportunity to let you know it.
BB DeniseW]
 
Topic     old friends     posted by AnnB User
posted on July 29, 2008 at 07:38 PM
edited on August 01, 2008 at 03:51 PM      
 
Dear Denise I think thisis a little strange I was not hijacking the forum when I wrote about Mazkuth I didnt put any subject on it so please dont accuse me of me such an awful thing
 
I know the forum starter was a bit put out but I wrote not via the forum but personally to you
by e mail that I use to order and ask you anything
So it obviously found its way onto there without any help from me
 
[Infoburst: You need to take care when clicking on links/buttons AnnB. The 'posted by' and 'reply to this message' links are next to each other. Press the 'posted by' and if the poster has left their actual email address you will automatically send a private email to the poster. Click the 'reply to this message' link and everything you type will appear on the forum. BB Denise W<] /I>
 
 
Topic     RE: Old Friends     posted by Bestarbeto User
posted on July 24, 2008 at 09:14 AM      
 
Hi there
 
Has anyone noticed the post new 
Topic button?
 
Topic     RE: Old Friends     posted by John User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 12:27 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 03:56 PM      
 
Hello Anne B,
 
Mazkuth, I remember his photo from Prediction magazine, the same place I first saw SA advertised in 1980's. Is he still around ?
I actually mixed him up with Marabas for a time as a beginner
but once I discovered Marabas I thought Mazkuth might have been
less than the real deal. Interested to hear that you valued his
work. Didn't he advertise as a 'Pyromancer' or was that another
fellow in Prediction ? Interested to hear more. I wonder if any
connection to the Frater Sisto that Marabas keeps the memory and
teachings of alive in SA's witchcraft recordings...
Thanks for the memory flash,
 
John
 
[Infoburst: Hi John - No connection between Fra Sisto and Mazkuth according to Marabas. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     Old Friends     posted by AnnB User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 11:45 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:14 PM      
 
Denise Over thirty years ago I used to correspond with a wizard who lived in Devon his name was Mazkuth what a wise creature he was.
But I wrote one time and received no answer tried a few times more but then decided perhaps he was in spirit
Have always wondered about him have you ever heard of him
A kind man an excellent tutor
Take Care
Ann X from Millie and my terrified black nets
 
[Infoburst: That's lovely AnnB and you seem a very nice lady but as I have to try and give some structure to this forum could I ask you not to hi-jack a thread started by someone else for another purpose. Bestarbeto was, I think, trying to obtain readers' comments on the new wave of oppressive regulation of alternative health care recently imposed by government and drawing their attention to the fact that the SAFF unearthed a campaign by the medical monopoly to achieve this over a decade ago. This kind of information is far more pertinent than the whereabouts of Mazkuth so I am putting this thread back on track - If you want to correspond about Mazkuth please use the New Post Button at the bottom of the page as Bestarbeto suggests below, to start a new thread on it. BB Denise W. ]
 
Topic     SAFF Vindicated - time to stop talking to distressed friends     posted by Bestarbeto User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 11:34 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 03:59 PM      
 
Check out this at the SAFF website.
 
http://www.pliner.net/appmb2/1c76fb/
 
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Topic     RE: SA shop on Google street view ?     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 16, 2010 at 01:56 PM      
 
I should have said if you walked out of the shop and turned right. The shop was brilliant and I loved the smells, also the staff in the wizard type shoes that curled up at the toe.
 
Topic     RE: SA shop on Google street view ?     posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 16, 2010 at 12:55 PM      
 
I can remember going to the shop that was close to a junction and there was a pub on the corner if you walked out of the shop and turned left. I cannot find this on google - I think there was a park close by as well.
 
Topic     Victorian 'ghost' picked up by Street View     posted by John User
posted on March 27, 2009 at 07:44 AM      
 
I think the street view is a very dangerous innovation for criminal use as well
as softening people up to accepting surveillance everywhere, but on a different
note here's a story about a ghost being filmed apparently.
 
Best,
 
John.
 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/google/5051309/Victorian-ghost-picked-up-by-Google-Street-View.html
 
Topic     RE: SA shop on Google street view ?     posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM
edited on March 26, 2009 at 11:30 AM      
 
Hi Keith, hope you had as good a vernal equinox as we did. Marabas has covered the subject of diminishing Privacy in his
 
Secrets of Mind Control Click here for more info. Nearly two decades ago he prophesied that there would be no such thing as Privacy by the turn of the century and that even as I write, any person's life is an open book to anyone who has access to the surveillance devices of the police state we now appear to live in. From when you step out of your house in the morning, to when you step back in at night everything you do is trackable, recordable, visible, accountable. Government departments are tracking you - in your best interests of course - on all levels to take control of your health, drinking, sexual tendencies, inter-social activities, purchases, and how your decisions affect your status as a 'Citizen'. You would be AMAZED at what information can be gleaned about you from a list of the groceries you purchase every week at your local supermarket and in a year or so's time M says that these 'profiles' will be used to judge whether you can be a 'fit' parent, or a dead-weight to the NHS amongst other things. Eventually people who do not walk the automaton line will be electronically made persona-non-grata and be unable to function independently in Britain. If the new Stalinists decide that what you do and think is uncomfortable to them then they can and will destroy you. The old way of doing it was to set the media to persecute dissenters and libertines - soon they will just push a button and electronically erase your existence. But take heart! If only one of us exercises his/her free will in the face of this oppression then all of mankind will be free. Voluble freethinkers are the antidote to the machinations of the Thought Police. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     SA shop     posted by Alan User
posted on March 21, 2009 at 07:34 PM      
 
Yes Keith, the SA is there. Here's a weblink to
some more pics of the old Aladdin's cave...Alan
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tacobelle/tags/occult/
 
Topic     SA shop on Google street view ?     posted by Keith User
posted on March 20, 2009 at 09:13 PM      
 
Dear SA,
 
As an occasonal visitor to the SA shop on Burley Lodge road many moons
ago, I couldn't help browsing the new Google street view to see if I
could spot it. Are you on there ? There is a blacked out building on
Burley Lodge road, no signage. Is that the old SA ? I've forgotten how
the shop looked, I thought it was a one-storey but this is part of a larger
building. On that note, I know your address isn't a secret but what do you
think of the privacy implications ??? All the best, Keith
 
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Topic     connectedness     posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 01:03 AM      
 
Names are names the best that has come out of Burley Lodge Leeds is "Together we help each other evolve". LIFE
 
Topic     RE: S.A staff     posted by Paul User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 07:46 AM      
 
I am a past customer, and SA helped me a lot during my introduction to the Occult and my Path. So I would like to add my thanks also!
 
Thanks :)
 
Topic     S.A staff     posted by T User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 02:44 PM      
 
I don't know where this should go so I am going to put it here. So often Marabas and Denise are praised (and rightly so) for there fantastic help and knowledge but lets not forget the others that make up the team. I don't know how many people work at the SA but I would like to give Paula a pat on the back who has on many occasions given me some great help and friendly advice when I have phoned to order or enquire about things. And how does she always know who she is speaking to and remember everyones name with such a huge client list? I think it must be something in the Leeds water! (wink)
Thankyou!
 
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Topic     RE: SA talisman/logo     posted by John User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 10:12 PM      
 
Hi Denise,
 
Cheers for the info. It certainly seems to do it's job in giving SA
gear its own unique energy.
 
Best wishes, John.
 
Topic     RE: SA talisman/logo     posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:53 PM      
 
No, John, it is not a secret. The talisman in the centre of our logo is the pantacle of the Archangel Gabriel from the Grimoire of Almadel, one of the most respected ancient magical grimoires. 'His power is very great and he can do you great good;' In his sigil there be taught the methods of restoring and transplanting both health and mental force. 'It promotes knowledge, communication, success, harmony and luck to those who hold it. You can actually obtain a full size example of this talisman from the S.A. See www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/talismns.htm for full details. BB Denise W.
 
Topic     SA talisman/logo     posted by John User
posted on April 24, 2008 at 09:52 AM      
 
Hi Denise/SA,
 
I have always liked the SA's logo and wondered what the
seal/talisman incorporated into it is, what it is called
and from which grimoire ? If it's a trade secret then sorry
for being nosey !
 
Best regards,
 
John.
 
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Topic     RE: Satanic rites/Enochian calls     posted by Graham User
posted on June 20, 2008 at 02:30 PM      
 
Hello RW,
 
If you have read the Satanic Bible, why not try for yourself
and see ? If you want more info on the subject matter, go to
www.churchofsatan.com, left hand menu: Theory and Practice
and read the article on Enochian pronunciation, and 'on
occultism of the past'. Re chaos magic, see Liber Null/Psychonaut
by P.Carroll on adopting belief structures. In satanic ritual, we
deliberately enter into a 'belief state' then forget about it when
the rite is over.
Hope that helps...Graham.
 
Topic     Satanic rites/Enochian calls     posted by RW User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 09:58 PM      
 
A question for any seasoned satanists, magicians, Chaoists:
 
How effective are the Enochian Keys(calls) as given by Anton LaVey in
the Satanic Bible, are they ineffective due to being 'blackened' or were
they genuine in the first place, also how effective are his 3 rituals from
the Satanic Bible (Lust, compassion, destruction) and can they be
used for example by a chaos magician who chooses to become a Satanist
only for the duration of the rite ?
 
- RW
 
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Topic     RE: LEAH     posted by jim User
posted on March 05, 2009 at 05:18 PM      
 
where is bab888?? he was a star!! please come and join us as theis forum is sadly lacking without your insights and spirit xxx
 
Topic     LEAH     posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 10, 2008 at 05:14 PM      
 
not all succubi are evil....i have a beautiful ones that vists me sometimes at night, she has long flowing blonde hair and the room is filled with a beautiful perfume..........she is loving and sits close to me......
 
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