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Topic RE: Enochian Language posted by Blue Dragon (Of Draconuit clan.) User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 08:05 PM
Red Dragon, Guru, you requested I should alert you to any possible
misconception:re: Your speech. I submit a different viewpoint: I do not
know if mentioning Authors constitutes 'unwarranted,advertising' so, an
excellent psychotherapist makes no distinction between psychotherapy and
evoking the goetia; same thing, different words,:The Therapist can
experience 'backfires', where, beyond reason; logic, he recieves the
patients trauma! This is possibly what happened to your lady, or, just
the strain of living with you, got to Her! Things widely understood are
'scientific fact, those not so well understood are 'occult', we're
witnessing a greater convergance than ever before, as should be. My
point is, Red, you may be an incredibly wise man, you can also behave
like a twit when it comes to disretion; politics. You asked me to watch
out for you, please be very careful about what you say in public!
Respect, Blue.
Topic RE: Enochian Language posted by Red Dragon, User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 04:28 PM
Absolutely in accord with you on this, Uvray, however,i, in my younger
days made a terrible error concerning the goetia, my wife was 'driven
nearly mad,' by 'it'--- That, a small example of the ensuing battle, my
arrogance taught me grandly.
Now, having matured, I sit with my friends The demons; maybe political
correctness will come up with an equivalent of homophobia for the
goetia, then i can declare 'some of my best friends are demons!' As
should be within the human psyche. So I understand what you're saying,
Uvray, interesting. (Heavens! This forum is a marvellous concept, Like
it!)
Topic RE: Enochian Language posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 07:25 AM
The idea that the occult or magic is "dangerous" is born of a society
permeated by faith-based religions. This indoctrination is far reaching.
Fear and guilt is what destroys successful magical workings. The
Magician is justified by the volition of his own will. He or she
practices mastery of these forces, not subservience to them. It's rather
like a relationship between two people - neither needs to be kneeling
at the other's feet. Side by side, in congruence and mutual respect is
the recipe for success.
Topic RE: caution! peejay posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:51 AM
I know what you are, anon, yet even mockery won't stop mankinds free
access to knowledge most profound and spiritual. Eventually, man will be
certain of his spiritual birthright, and you?
Topic RE: caution with that monkey! posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:40 AM
I cannot understand 'us', i understand peejay and the draco-typhon
bloke, but you seem somewhat ill at ease with knowledge of a high order
being given out 'free' surely a main reason for this forum? Dear anon,
The 'Bastard sons of Enoch' won't go away, the knowledge has been given.
Enochian magic/k has gained great popularity in the past 25 yrs.
Monkey? Who or what do you represent to call a man of obvios
spirituality that? 'Anon.' Please explain your reasoning, I'm sure
'we'd' enjoy hearing it
Topic RE: caution with that monkey! posted by Anon User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 07:06 PM
And how is Prudence? It must be wonderful for you: having more
experience than others, but even better for us that Prudence tells you
to back off!Please give Prudence my regards.
Topic RE: caution! peejay posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:08 PM
"I will fight for occult freedom,"
Same here and have done for decades via opposing fundamentalism. I would
wager that I have FAR greater experience herein then you.
Topic RE: caution! peejay posted by pejay User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:06 PM
I still think you need to be cautious!
Topic RE: caution! peejay posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 05:39 PM
Caw! A genuine Thelemic Fighting Monkey!! Fantastic!
Topic caution! peejay posted by draconis343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Dear Peejay, as a final gesture, might I humbly suggest that you
practice these forms of psychotherapy, an excellent starting point, the
goetia, then, Enochia. When you have this knowledge through experience,
and a fellow seeker asks for an opinion, what will you do? I understand
your point of view, which is, however, not mine. A Thelemite Warrior
monk, I will fight for occult freedom, be it legal or other form.
Prudence suggests, having blessed this site, I retire from
contribution.Good luck, goodbye.
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Topic Enochian. posted by Draconis343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 08:40 PM
Greetings PeeJay; I posted this observation, and so reply; Yes, I do
indeed get where you're coming from, therein. And I do ask, my friend,
where do we draw the line?
Topic Caution! posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:31 PM
Forgive me please for saying this but I feel occultists need to be
rather cautious today when throwing about terms such as dangerous
magic. Not only have we a vast society out there based largely on
Christian fundamentalist misinformation and suppression of the occult in
all its forms (Hello Reachout Trust et al) but also a sensation
seeking gutter media that just loves to have Witch ate my baby stories
to titillate their dumbass readers with. Anyone know where I am coming
from herein?
Topic RE: Enochian Language posted by Draconae 343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 01:33 PM
Normally, in modern work, left to right; Dee & Kelly wrote the names
backwards as they are so very dangerous, It is as effective and
dangerous as goetic magic,and is really magic for the Magister Templi to
achieve.( A Mag.Temp. is an adept who has crossed the abyss, his
conciousness residing in the supernal.)As I'm sure you realise, you must
be trained to a high degree indeed to attempt this, particularly the
sex magick variations. Good Luck.
Topic Enochian Language posted by Amrit User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 09:56 AM
I'd be interested in peoples experience or thoughts on how the Enochian
language is written. Whether it's from left to right or like Hebrew,
right to left?
Thanks,
...and a big thank you to SA for creating this forum.
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Topic RE: * posted by Puretongue User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 09:36 AM
I'd heard this was because, at the time the figure was worked out, they
hadn't realised the function of glial (sp?) cells, and had previously
thought them to be essentially, shock absorbers.
Topic RE: * posted by Herne User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 07:38 PM
In fact most of our brain power is taken by our sight, the Human race
has the highest spectrum of colours, than any other living creature.
I think it was said by a scientist that it takes 60%-70% of our brain power to process all that information.
If you think on it, most computer games will take most of the computers memory to process all graphics in the game.
You must remember our brains are like computers, just think of all the programmes running in your head right now.
Your brain is running all your internal organs, remembering thing you
have to do at other times in the day and weeks a head, and other skills
you process, like reading, spelling and driving are but a few.
I remember what an old fool said? The next thing to a genius is madness.
Our minds can only take so much information before it breaks down,
technically a nervous breakdown, if you look most people who consider
themselves to be geniuses, some will have some sort of mental illness,
in thier life.
A mental illness can take a very long time to get over, and when you do get over it, part of the illness never leaves you.
I know I been their, it took 14 years of my life, even though I got over it, its presents is still their till the day I die.
Don`t mess with your brain, if you lose your sanity, technically you lose your life.
Topic * posted by riceNpeas User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 04:26 PM
A rumor thats done the rounds for the last few decades is we only use
*power. Robert Anton Wilson added the word potential in front of brain
power to break it open sum but i still find the idea fenced in. Would
anyone like to throw in there 2 cents?
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Topic Acceleration of knowlage posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 02:54 PM
Well i hope its better than the Millenium bug, that was all a bit shite.
I had a friend move to Somerset to be near his parents whilst i danced
it up at a house party in Hackney. Bless, he did indulge in "vulgar
marxism". Lol.
Wot does interest me is the experiments being conducted in learning. 2
sets of mice, 1 maze. It takes the 1st set of mice 10 mins to learn the
maze. and the second set of mice seem to always learn the maze in a
shorter space of time. They even bread the mice and seperated them by
"intellegance". the 1st set of intellagent mice learn the maze and the
stupid mice, again, beat the time. This experiment has also been
conducted with monkeys on 2 neighboring islands and the same results
occur. Still the research goes on. Ofcoarse serious occultist will be
smiling at this time because once again science is playing catch up but
how does this relate to the 2012 eschew?
Well in some circles 2012 is when the doors of perception will be flung
open. When 1 of us lovely humans push the bounderies they beat out a
path for the rest to follow. When enough of us have reached beyond our
mechanistic living the rest follow with ease. The alignments ect. could
also work with a mass change in consciensness as any one who has looked
into magnetism and its effects will realise. I am a working class guy
with 14 weeks Magickal study under my belt. At what other time in
history could i have learnt so much so quickley.
OK it all sounds a bit wacky and yes, i am having a bit of a play by
putting a positive twist to this thread, but seriosly. Which model
inspires and where will you be Dec 31st 2012 ???
RicenpeaS
Topic 20/21st Century posted by Rex User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 03:57 PM
I don't know about 2012 but many people have made apocalyptic
predictions and the like based on dates/years, always wrong
but certainly the World's history takes turns/phases, look at
the last 100 years or so, not only Wars but the political
movements, alliances, awareness of the environment, and change
in
religious perspectives. The Wars themselves over the last
Century are horrific to think of, WW1, WW2, Korea,
Vietnam,
N.Ireland troubles, Falklands, Gulf 1 & 2, the
'rogue' states
Libya, Iran, Syria, Cuba...Now the Vatican is behind so
many
Euro-States and recognised as a State in itself exerting
influence
and control. In Gibraltar last year: British 20p coin has
Virgin
Mary on reverse. Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism in
our
cities, could you imagine that 20 years ago ?
Topic RE: 2012 posted by ethericsoul User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 03:10 PM
It would be interesting to see what Denise or others at SA think about
this...I mean from the knowledge they have about the old ways and
wisdom, occult universe, do they have an extra insight into this...'
I do know many that are saying they are sensing something, like it's not
the same as it was in the 1980's that as soon as we got to late 1990's
and passed 2000 everything seems different not right, or as secure as
they once felt. Some I know think we will have world war 3, and then
Ufo's will come and see us all off and take over....I leave that open to
debate, lol, as I like to keep an open mind. But having said that I
have to admit something is not right...the world markets are collapsing,
government are controlling more than ever, and violence is becoming
more widespread, nation is rising against nation.
Yes is this because the media are doing it all I mean focusing upon it,
and for those of us in the Occult we know that the outer world is but a
reflection of our inner self and balance, but we are also held to sway
by fate and the planets. Many would say if you focus on lack you get
lack, but I can't help think that in this case with world events that
one can focus on positive things, you know as within so without, but
that the events of the outer material world still flood in...'
Hope all that makes sense...I mean how much can we change reality by
magick, even though magick is a question of focus which brings us into
line with the synchcronicity we want to happen, I cannot help but think
no amount of magick can override world events, government etc, though I
believe government are using magick themselves...'
Topic 2012 posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 02:46 PM
In that case, I strongly suggest we all stay in bed.
Topic 2012 posted by Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 10:25 PM
The Milky Way Galaxy is the inspiration for the symbol of the Ouroboros.
Myth refers to a serpent of light residing in the heavens. The Milky
Way is this serpent, and viewed at galactic central point near
sagittarius, this serpent eats its own tail.
The Milky Way galaxy keeps a great time cycle that ends in catastrophic
change. The sign of the SUNTELIA AION (the End of the Age)is the sun
rising out of the mouth of the ouroboros, which will occur on the winter
solstice December 2012.
Topic 2012 posted by Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:59 PM
Also the sun will reverse its own magnetic poles during 2012 as result
of reaching the end of the current 11-year sunspot cycle. While most
2012ers concentrate on the big things (supernova, pole shift, everyone
shifts to the nth dimension), perhaps a microscopic bug could be the
cause of our demise?
Doctors are running out of treatments for trauma victims and
critically ill patients because of infections from drug
resistant microbes even after resorting to medicines thrown out
20 years ago because of severe side effects, scientists are
reporting.
Soon most, if not all, antibiotics will be ineffective, which is a
shame, because modern western medicine depends on them a whole lot.
Unfortunately, our use of antibiotics to cause cattle to gain weight,
has back-fired on us. Gordon Gecko was wrong. Greed is not good.
Topic 2012 posted by Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:34 PM
December 21 Winter Solstice at 11:11 UTC.
December 21 The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, notably used by the
Maya civilization among others of pre-Columbian Mesoamerica, completes
its thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle since the calendar's mythical starting
point (equivalent to 3114 BC August 11 in the proleptic Gregorian
calendar, according to the "GMT-correlation" JDN= 584283).[8] The Long
Count b'ak'tun date of this starting point (13.0.0.0.0) is repeated, for
the first time in a span of approximately 5,125 solar years. The
significance of this period-ending to the pre-Columbian Maya themselves
is unclear, and there is an incomplete inscription (Tortuguero Monument
6) that records this date. It is also to be found carved on the walls of
the Temple of Inscriptions in Palenque, where it functions as a base
date from which other dates are computed. However, it is conjectured
that this may represent in the Maya belief system a transition from the
current Creation world into the next. ---To put it simply, 2012 is
sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or
apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the
thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which
occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there
will be a major change in world order.
Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:
The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain
algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide
with the Earth.
Topic 2012 posted by Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:23 PM
Headsapocalypse---2012 (MMXII) will be a leap year starting on Sunday of
the Gregorian calendar.January 31 433 Eros, the second-largest Near
Earth Object on record (size 13x13x33 km) is expected to pass Earth at
0.1790 astronomical units (~26.8 million kilometers; ~16.6 million
miles). NASA studied Eros with the NEAR Shoemaker probe launched on
1996-02-17. June 6 Second and last solar transit of the planet Venus
of this century; the next pair is predicted to occur in 2117 and 2125
(see Transit of Venus, 2012).
November 28 Penumbral lunar eclipse.
December 3 Jupiter oppositions. Revelation... Apocalypse approacheth!
Topic * posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 10:59 PM
So then, anyone think anything significant will happen?
And why do I keep reading things on the net about 2012 intermingled with Christian belief - what`s it got to do with them?
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Topic 2012 posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on July 20, 2009 at 12:52 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Great Infoburst, does M cover this stuff in more detail in a oexp etc?
It has always puzzled me why Christian types add the 2012 date to their
belief systems, I don`t see what it`s got to do with them.
I would like to see more of his opinions on these kind of things, I`d
particularly like to know his thoughts on the old hippy conspiracy of
the Hemp for fuel,clothing,medicine,paper,plastics,food and just about
everything else.
Also if anyone wants a giggle of the 2012 variety try youtube for - I
think it was called something like intergalactic federation of light. -
this incarnation of Akhenaten really has let himself go a bit.
[INFOBURST: Hi Heads, Your right,the fundies always sieze upon every date possible to create panic in themselves and others.
Marabas's OEXP60 The Millennium Lie and Mind Control explains
the psychology of End-Time and makes compelling reading particularly in
the light of the governments misuse of the Global Warming myth to
stampede the public into compliance with their wishes. If you are
interested in this kind of self-deception then you should also read M's
Secrets of Mind Control which is EXCELLENT. Also see the
SAFF website which Marabas founded. BB Denise W.
]
Topic 21st Dec 2012 posted by RGRE User
posted on June 13, 2009 at 02:36 AM
edited on June 30, 2009 at 03:36 PM
Could Marabas give us his idea or understanding of what he thinks is
going to happen on 21st Dec 2012? As it all seems very serious and I
would really appreciate his perspective.
Many Thanks
Rob
[INFOBURST: People who do not understand cosmic forces are winding
themselves up terribly with this so-called galactic convergence and its
supposed prophecy by the Mayan Calendar which has in turn been worked on
by those still in the thrall of Christianity as some kind of
Armageddon. The point is that this flipping of the centre of gravity of
the solar system is ALREADY occurring and has been for many years. The
cosmos is always cyclic and those who think that During December 2012 it
will 'throw a switch' and create an instant doomsday scenario do not
understand the way that Chi pervades the universe. They are just the
type of people to also sucker-in to the barmy idea of global warming.
All living and inanimate things have been adapting to the changing
gravitational force and the gradualness of the process will mean it will
be for most people hardly discernible. There is expected to be strong
sunspot activity the EMF from which will subtly affect the fluids in our
bodies - but not dangerously more than we have already experienced
during the peaks of sunspot activity in earlier decades. This galactic
convergence is all part of an (nearly) eternal cycle so things will
happen much as they have done before. Maybe an increase in the mutation
of some genes or viruses but this goes on all the time anyhow. Marabas
says that the impending doom of Armageddon type scares is a disguised
projection of the inevitablity of one's own death and results from
insecurity of purpose. An insecurity which any initiate who has
experienced true magical things knows to be false.
BB Denise W.]
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Topic 2nd hand tarot cards opinions ..tarot course?? posted by Kimball User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 10:25 AM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Hello, I was wondering if anyone here had any opinions about buying and
using second hand tarot cards. I am also considering taking a tarot
course at a centre down the road from me (led by a local spiritualist
group). The deck thay require is the 'Rider Waite' (even though I like
the Thoth as well). They say the learners will have to 'read cards' for
the public to gain the certificate and I'm all for that, it's what I
want to accomplish. When it comes to something like Tarot, is any kind
of education viable? For all I know it could be wonderful, but I am
slighly dubious. I'd like to get a certificate in tarot, but after years
of study of the subject on my own reading Qabbalah books etc. I guess
I'm afraid of what may happen if I go there and it's a so called
'lightweight' course. thanks, Moon ps: This is a great forum and I hope I
did not offend anyone by asking questions about A. Crowley. They were
honest questions and I know (by looking a the other posts) people here
are very bright and would give an honest opinion.
[Infoburst: If you buy a 2nd hand tarot deck you can't be sure what
psychometric vibrations they've contracted and should always
purify/cleanse them before use by fuming them in
Purification Incense B2002 and reconsecrating them for your own purposes by using Marabas's
OEXP003 CONSECRATION CEREMONY FOR OBJECTS, PARAPHERNALIA AND PEOPLE
Then you can start out with your Tarot deck perfectly psychically
clean. This can be particularly important if you are a 'white'
magician/witch and have obtained a pack which, unbeknownst to you may
have been used in left hand path magic. If this operation is beyond your
capabilities then buying a new pack is best
(See the Rider pack in our pricelist here)
BB Denise W. ]
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Topic Truth. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Hiya, and higher,
I must tidy up with All due respect.
I've met a lot of Magicians.
Frater Marabus, is the single (as opposed to an entire lodge)
most powerful, Artful, Magician I've ever met. Like a Dragon, I respect power. He is not vindictive, unjust or cruel.
With full respect, I say no more of Him.
I am as Thelemite as you'll ever find. My 'superior in the order', is Frater Marabus, as I see it. Blessed be He.
AUM HA!
Topic New Aeon. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Thanks for that, Rice, a ray of sunshine on a gloomy day for me, we all have problems.
Fr. M has always been there for me, I knew that if I ever needed serious
advice, He's there. Stories:-) In '77, there were 2,000 magicians ,
high priests and novices, who'd gather at Stonehenge for the summer
solstice, then Glastonbury, the free festivals.
1980 was brilliant! I was sitting with a fellow my age, a Magician: very
impressive, in his trademark knee-length black boots, black cape etc.
when this older guy came and sat at our fire, He said-"We've just done a
working for you guys, behind the (Sacred burial) mounds." It's always
been like that, Rice, "Lives of great men do remind us, we can make our
lives sublime, and departing leave behimd us, footprints in the sands of
time" (Hawkwind) 22,000 people turned up! The police gave up hassling
us, and it was front page news! I went to Glastonbury, then hitched to a
tee-pee tribe in the Welsh mountains. Man, I was
starving! A dear lady gave me some soup, (Bless you, wherever you are!)
when the bushes parted and a bald top head huge white beard crashed
through, followed by his wife, and a Brazilian couple. My
Guru! Didn't even glance at me. I hopped, open mouthed after him,
He said-"Where were you last weekend?" I, dumbstruck, thought 'Glastonbury' "Ah, Glastonbury" He said. An unsung Hero.
After 6 years of training me, He spent 18 months preparing, then entered
the death state. So, all that is was meant to be. A LOT of effort by a
lot of people. What surprised me was, things happened in the early 90's,
which I thought would happen around 2,020!
It's real good to see thimgs taking off, in my lifetime. Shame
E.H. My Guru, isn't around to see it, (Or is He???)!!!
Must go, Enjoy! Best Wishes, nome.......
Topic The Quickening. posted by nome. User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 05:10 PM
Yes Brother, You understand.
It is very pleasing, to see.
M is V. important.
I wonder what your generation will do?
Very best wishes.
S.A.O.S Thelemite chapter.
Topic Acceleration of Knowlage posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 12:23 PM
For Noome.
A Ramsey Dukes "What I Did On My Holidays"
"After reading the "Devil" rides out we see an advert for the Sorcerers
Apprentice in Exchange and Mart and send off in trepidation for a
catalouge of amazing inscense and wierd paraphinalia to read by
tourchlight beneath the bedclothes with chattering teeth - expecting
hell-fire to blast us at any moment. A few years later we have worked
through WE Butler , Dion Fortune and plucked up the courage to read
Crowley and are ready to argue the phycological validity of Magickal
techniques with anyone."
From Ramsey Dukes "What i did on my holidays"
Times are changing Noome. The proces of stripping away the Glamour is
quickening leaving us free to indulge in Glamour at Will. I wasnt even
born when the S.A. opended its doors so to me what came out of Burley
Lodge is as important as Crowley or Regardie works. The Bronze age didnt
happen in three days nor was it down to just 1 person. Your generation
has spawned my generation and so the cycles within cycles turn.
I would like to give thanks to all who met in Burley Lodge for pushing us forwards that extra step.
Let no limitation, Be are only limitation.
Ricenpeas
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Topic RE: ACHEIVING ASTRAL PROJECTION posted by Onu (Draconuit) User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 07:52 PM
Yes, at these levels, the Ka is independent, a higher state is of being in all parts of the world simultaneously.
From that position one can visit a lodge in California as easily as in
your locol town/city, in U.K. To Astrally project, simply Will it, at
say, 12 noon, State to youelf that you are going to astrally project
that night, let that thought, enhanced by a Ritual of intent, to
strengthen proceedings,
roll through the day into the night Aethyr.
Surely it is a matter of pure willed intent, assuming the neccessary prana is available.
When in trance state, try swinging your legs, as if in a swing, you may well rock yourself out, Such adventure!
Topic RE: ACHEIVING ASTRAL PROJECTION posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 12:43 PM
The Raising of The Citadels in 1996-1997 set off the following:-
Having just got into be in pitch darkness I found myself lying in the
local greenbelt on the other side of the River Cole looking up at the
starry which were very clear and sharp I could make out the
constellation of Taurus the Bull and the Pleidies very clearly and
prominently. I stood up presumably in my astral body but it felt very
heavy and I felt sick and weak and felt that I should walk up to the
hospital but the more I tried to walk to the hospital the heavier and
weaker I felt. I then started to spin around and around like a spinning
top and emerged through the ceiling of the bedroom that is also used for
my magical experiments. The whole room was lit up brilliantly so all
could be seen. In the North East of the room there was a faceless figure
in a dark Robe but did not feel menacing in any way. I then woke to
full consiousness In the Pitch Black Room because the windows had been
sealed to exclude the entry of light and realised I had experienced a
sponataneous projection.
Other experiences include walking by the River Rea along the back of the
bushes in Cannon Hill Park but more favourite and more reoccurant
walking down my long back garden at night towards the big trees at the
bottom and then having a tremendous struggle trying to walk up and
getting back into the house again.
But what do these expereinces have in common?
I think micturation!
They are all places were one is likely to be caught short and urinate!
and when I woke up I did which to go to the bathroom!
TRicking the mind and programming with the need that it must do
something at a certain time may be a clue to gaining controll over AP.
As I am above the weight I should be I thought that the struggle with
being out of body was due to that but now I think it is trying to move
with ones legs rather than ones mind and will and this may be a key to
progress in the future.
Also stars: my rising sign is Saggittarius 10 degrees so the stars on
the Descendant would be Gemini and under the horizon Taurus hense the
stars I saw during my projection were the stars close to the Descendant
and I am just thinking that by visualising the constellations around
ones decendant one might get a quicker transfer to ones double.
But thinking like an Ancient Egyptian perhaps the ka cannot move far
from the body unless a link to the body is provided in some way like
blood cells from the micturation process but transfer to the higher
level of the ba is necessary for total mobility between the levels and
to do this one needs to look upwards to the heavens of the tuat to click
to that level.
Topic RE: The fat can't fly! posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 11:55 AM
The reason I said that is because all of those that I know of who are
naturals for Astral Projection are almost cadevarically thin. In all
fairness I have to say that has only been a few.
Since the time of my last entry have had one spontaneous experience and
now I think that the difficulty may be that you still think that you are
in your body and try to move with your everyday legs when in actuallity
it it the mind and the will you have to work with not the legs in that
state!
Obviously you are a natural and have done it since early on. Despite
being interested in the occult since the age of twelve I have had more
of my fair share of the mirk and mire to cast off and only now in middle
life can develop the way I have always wanted.
Topic RE: Any good Astral projection/Lucid dreaming tips? posted by Karen User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 08:39 AM
Well...I've had periods of frequent lucid dreaming, followed by long dry
spells. I haven't done it in a while; and haven't really found any good
way to "induce" it. Different methods work for different people, I
guess; for me, either it happens or it doesn't. My first lucid dreams,
however, occurred shortly after I moved to Seattle after living in
Phoenix for a year. So maybe what I need is a significant change in
climate, or something (LOL)...
Topic RE: Any good Astral projection/Lucid dreaming tips? posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 05:38 PM
Marabas says Simplify, Simplify, Simplify. Why don't you do what
Salvador Dali used to do to get those amazing images of his from the
Astral? He clutched a coin in his hand, laid down and just as he dropped
off to sleep his hand would relax and he would drop the coin, the
dropping coin alerted him just sufficiently for him to regain lucid
dreaming consciousness and give control over his visions. Some people
put the coins on their eyes and when they enter REM sleep they fall off
in the same way. Try it - I did when M told me about it and it works a
treat. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Any good Astral projection/Lucid dreaming tips? posted by StephenW User
posted on March 16, 2008 at 01:09 AM
One very useful technique that I have discovered by accident for using a
lucid dream as a starting point for attempting astral/etheric
projection is to select an object in your lucid dream environment (e.g.,
if this is a bedroom scene then it can be any suitable small object)
and then imagine that it is being slowly pulled towards you as if by an
invisible string. The mere act of imagining this will of course have the
effect of moving the (astral) object in that way. Only apparent motion
takes place in an astral environment as the scene shifts itself to
accomodate a RELATIVE motion between the object and your own position in
the lucid dream, and the force of imagination expended and the currents
set in motion sets up stresses which have their effect on your
astral/etheric envelope. This method has the added advantage in that
fear, tension and other psychological factors will not be present as
impediments as would normally be the case if one were attempting to rise
out of the physical by any direct means. I have tried this myself and I
swear that it has a powerful effect in drawing the astral/etheric
further out of alignement with the physical.
Topic RE: The fat can't fly! posted by RP User
posted on February 25, 2008 at 08:55 PM
Hey hey! Is this why fat people are being charged double for their plane
tickets? It is interesting that you say that fatties are no good at AP;
they could try bouncing like yogic flyer's or try flapping their bingo
wings!! Well I don't know if there are any truths in these assertions
but I think that you are right when you say about thin people having
better luck at it. I am by no means overweight but when I was just a
thin boy, AP was a little easier: but I think I was more light headed
and far more sensitive and dizzy. Most systems of yoga advocate that we
aim to be on the lighter side but that does not necessarily mean thin.
Conversely and speaking personally, I have noticed that my will
strengthened as I put on a little weight as well as my ability to
study.
Topic ACHEIVING ASTRAL PROJECTION posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 06:16 PM
From my own experience with the Aurum Solis System of Magic that I
experimented with during 1996 and 1997 regular practice or an excersise
like Raising of The Citadels along with the banishing rituals will tend
to after some regular practice cause spontaneous OOBES but curiously,
for some reason very thin or underweight people appear to be the best at
it. Heaviness seems to impede progress in that arena.
Topic Any good Astral projection/Lucid dreaming tips? posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 08, 2008 at 05:31 AM
Does anyone have any good or little known tips/knacks for astral projection and/or lucid dreaming? - Please share, thankyou.
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Topic RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar posted by P.C. Dummy. User
posted on August 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM
This is really good, really, very good for all Aspirants to have a looksee; quite a gem!
Beautiful imagery, Many thanks!!!
Best wishes ;)
Topic RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 18, 2008 at 12:13 AM
;)
Topic RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar posted by P.C. Dummy. User
posted on August 17, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Great! Erm, wallpaper or tooth-paste?:)
Thanks, all the best.
Topic RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Copy and paste to address bar???
Topic RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 17, 2008 at 02:55 AM
Wot? Can't understand what to to do with this.
Best wishes.
Topic Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 16, 2008 at 02:06 PM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=901218279
Topic RE: Aleister crowley: Great Beast speaks audio posted by Paul User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 01:14 PM
Thanks for the link. :)
Topic RE: Aleister crowley: Great Beast speaks audio posted by ricenpeas User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Thanks Annon
I recently brought the Golden Dawn audios by Isreal Regarsie from Originalfalcon. Great stuff
Topic Aleister crowley: Great Beast speaks audio posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 06, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Attention all Crowley fans:
Robert Anton Wilson has put the Great Beast Speaks audio CD
on his website as an MP3 download. Hear the actual voice of
Crowley on 11 tracks. downloads in about a minute !
http://www.rawilsonfans.com/downloads/Crowley.htm
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Topic The Anon one. A rely. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 30, 2008 at 03:08 AM
There you are! Aw, all that work and you want to destroy any validity it might hold. Actually, for the benefit of The True.
My new, long awaited Time is just about ready. I had some spare time,
and noticing very little other than gossip, not all, dear
Brother/sisters, on this thread, tried to convey a little fragment
of what Thelema means to me. A scrappy attempt, but for a few, a little
may be of some service. Thanks for your input Bryan, or 'anon' as you
prefer, but really, I waited for hours, and you didn't read what I
wrote! However, to clarify, fully, as 'I' am on a communal p.c.
my name is not written down, 'I' can dissapear, erase.
To address your comments, I met my Guru, Glorious! in'75, in 79,
I met the physical aspect, an old rogue, who had recieved the word ;) He
threw back his head, uttering THE signal. He spent six years teaching
me, I became an Adept in '81. He prepared and entered stage 4 of our
meditation,death. That in '87. After devoting my life to the Great
work,I prepare to finish my cycle. One is simply a servant of the star
and Snake. '88. I survived, and
managed to reconstruct myself; '89. I considered Frater Marabus my
superior in the order. When my time came, I believed He was there in
Spirit, aiding me. Bryans comments: 'High' and 'mighty'. It is, to my
mind,- :(not being a teacher,just listening, giving opinion if
possible/relevent:) of my personality:- entirely
irrelevent as to how one is percieved. It was/is essential that one
performed the tasks, as a cell within the organism. I do not want
recognition, One has taken an oath, and aside from my good witch
friends, some male magicians, and all those who spend their lives in
Spiritual pusuit, The Point of being aware,i think. Something about
teaching kittens? Sorry mate, u lost me at that point. I adore mature
pussy's:) but confess, when push comes to shove, One is a hardcore doggy
lover;) O.T.O u say, I like bits,:) dislike other bits,:( I agree with
Crowley on that,) I don't confuse the vehicle/man with the works He
produced, re: the point.
OTO:- One is not of that herd mentality, they do fine without me:) u
mention the R.A.C. or somesuch. One really does not consider this the
right place to discuss their services. Seriously;) I've learnt a lot in
my time here. I'd lost my sense of humour, but it's returning! The
Simpsons are inspired! I've met some amazing guys, and Denise, you are
One, canny lady;) Hard job, I see why you are Fr. M's scribe. No doubt
I'd enjoy listening, and talking with you.
Thanks, now, some goodbyes, and I must depart. OH! Don't believe a word I've said, unless you have personal experience, please.
I hope I improved my communication skills at the end.
Light, Life, Love and librty to All.
Topic RE: Churchill and bus stops. posted by A nonny mouse. User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 06:57 PM
Crowley/Thelema now second down on second page.
How, dear Sir, would you explain the '93' current, to a neophyte, please.
Perhaps we could all benefit, a worthy reason to contribute.
Topic Churchill and bus stops. posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 06:49 PM
See page two, Crowley/Thelemism, at top of page. The other articles are interesting,to my mind, too.
Topic Pardon? posted by A Nonny mouse User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 06:44 PM
Sorry, have I missed something here? Unless there are pages so old
they're not available, but you've recorded them, I can find no reference
to anyone claiming to be oto or RAC, A A or Churchill.
I read of solo working, and the simile repeated ad nauseum by adepts world wide that the Guru appears when ready.
As a reasonable man, you may wish to carefully examine the statements
again, and, if you will, consider a motive other than ego, the thing all
true aspirants wish to discard. Thefore, why bother commenting at all?
The reason first given, perhaps?
Topic RE: Pliskin42's destiny. posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 03:42 PM
I do not believe that genuine OTO members would speak so openly about
the issues raised by this thread. Some of the information that has been
put around 'pundit fashion' is quite repugnant 'Oh I am so high an
mighty, while you little kitten need to learn from me, the greatest (
Lol with false modesty!) of adepts!' Self styled Thelema and massive
ego's do not reflect the true 93 current.
Aspirants should beware of anyone who openly claims an OTO or A..A..
membership, whether to show off or to score points against other forum
users. As is so often the case, those who have the most to say often
know the least. Anyone can bedazzle the uninitiated with a dozen
references to Crowley's works!! Stop talking and start doing is a piece
of good advice. Guru's do not find people at the bus stop! Get on the
bus and make the journey to find one.
Topic Pliskin42's destiny. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 06:43 PM
Greetings Plisskin42, I'd rather hoped some one else would have added
their unique viewpoint, however; You seem to want your cake and eat it
too! Firstly, there was the O.T.O, offshoots have developed,
As mentioned, The O.T.O. is much like The Freemason order, you pay dues,
join in ceremony, socialise. You are well looked after, as
you merge. I cannot reveal current expected donation of excess properties etc. as they may have changed, or no longer apply.
Once you are in, you're in.
As mentioned, The solo Thelemites are of a different ilk.
The solo Thelemite practices, studies alone, learning self reliance. A good all rounder is Crowleys, 'Magick'. The
Soul of this type will eventually travel within other regions, learning
from beings,of varying type, invoking Gods within these regions of the psyche. One does learn a great deal, therefore, solo.
For The Solo Thelemite thus trained, the Guru now introduces
himself, at, say, a bus stop at Croyden. Bizarre? It could happen.
And so, Brother, what is your choice? The O.T.O.? I recommend the
original order. Or The solo path? Let's look at your number. 42,
Here, all is hotch potch, the life force is ego, the rushing wind of
thought whirling around, forming little dust devils of thought.
Yet all is not without hope! For the 42 Gods and Goddesses of jugement
enter stage.I do NOT advise invoking these Gods/Goddesses, at this
stage, more experience is desirable. The Happy ending,
to this simile. If you centre youself, you will find the epicentre of
the whirling wind, a tightly, closed in on itself, Spiral.
This state of self realisation leads us to the High Priestess,
The 13th path, connecting Tiphareth, with Kether. : The Higher self, or true soul, with God head. One might consider, The Holy
Guardian Angel Itself. Good luck, One hopes things go well for
you, from your declaration of readiness, Brother, I'd expect you're in for quite an adventure!
Best wishes.
Topic The Thelemite system. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 02:40 PM
One must clarify previous comments:
The four Great Princes of Hell, are, in reality, most Holy beings, who,
rather than accept their due reward, choose to stay until all of
Humanity is enlightened. This is called the Bhoddisattvic oath. (Their
is a deeper level explanation, these words are for the beginner, the
curious, an explanation
intended to be understood easily.)The Princes control the unpleasant inhabitants of hell, they, themselves, are not 'evil'.
However, there is no reason to bother them, until Adeptus point.
(To the 'wise': Iknow, I know: this can best be discussed on higher
plane terms, however, the beginner may find this concept new, eye
opening, put this simply. An attempt at clarity.)
Having studied Thelema for decades, I simply cannot accept
them as the work of a drug addled wastrel.
If we look at his works, we find (a) His diaries. (b) Instructional
works, I.E. Analytical works, such as Liber Aleph, where dreams, moral
stance etc. indicate the implementation of a Utopean society. We,
Humanity, can achieve this ideal state of harmonious co-existence, one
day. 'The only way to change the world, is to change yourself.' (c) Holy
Books. These were transmitted from above the Abyss, beautiful love
poetry unto God.
These may be termed 'automatic writing' as a term readily
understandable. (d) Liber Al. This style of writing does not read
like any other work He produced. His claim is that it was dictated to
Him by metaphysical intelligencia. It is so unusual, that Crowley, then a
devoted Bhuddist,
had great diffuculty accepting the instructions.
To the Beginner, I must say, please don't believe me; I only
truly believe that which I have personally experienced, although
you may consider my viewpoint as 'possibly useful.'
I believe it entirely feasable that, 'Gods' did appear to Crowley, and issue orders concerning physical, and further, work
to be performed on the Earth plane.
Such an honour! Such a burden!
For those interested in study of Thelema; All available (I.E. in print)
works are available from S.A. Remember the legend of the
brass God, built with feet of clay? It fell over. So it is with
the foundation of the Temple. If the foundation is not solid, neither is the chance of success. 'There ain't no such thing as
a free lunch.' There is a certain joy in planned physical work, to
obtain the clean cash to buy an esoteric work, surely this effort is the
foundation of the book. The knowledge within? Priceless!
If you can't afford £15-£20 for a decent book, can you not save £5 per
week? Do you enjoy beer? £2-£3 per pint? Why not forego a couple of
pints, know that you have earned your reward.
I may appear to be preaching, however, if you are to enter our higher
orders, you will be examined, thoroughly, in moral correctness. A hint.
Best wishes to All, D.
Topic Uvray's comment. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 10:17 PM
I intended discussing a moral chicanery, however, having read Uvray's comment, One is compelled to respond.
Dear Uvray, I have attempted to study your system, and have per-
-formed a core ritual. Have you studied the Thelemic system?
I agree entirely with Denises comments. Further, might one add
clarification as to our structure?
We are required (in order to pass a grade) to perfect our moral
training, righteous action, noble aspiration. Then we ascend unto
Tiphareth and union with the H.G.A. We accept and perfect as able our
Humanity. Apon achieving union with the true soul of one's self,
One evokes The Four Great Princes of Hell, that they swear to look up
to, and respect the Adept, as one does look up to, and respect,
One's God. It becomes apparent, at the first ascent unto Yesod, that, as
one does make acqaintance with the Angel of that sphere,
one must take into consideration the complimentary opposite of that
sphere, the demon. By our art, each idea, dies in the counterclasp of
it's opposite, transmuting into one new element,
transcending the original two. To attempt further clarification:
Of those whose destiny require that they cross the upper Abyss, it is
said that, as the Adept does understand the universe in an entirely
different manner to previous conception, so do the rules change again.
In the Supernal sphere of Binah, a thing can only be true, if it
contains its own complimentary opposite within itself.
Therefore, in strict control, as studied in morality, etc. One
at this sphere, is, as of cosmic law, in Binah, and master of the
corresponding qlippothic sphere, 3. The chosen Prophet of certain
metaphysical intelligencia, transmitted, "my Adepts,have their
heads above the Heavens, their feet below the Hells."
I gather, in his workings, He would be equally at home in each sphere. Why would He choose to wallow in the dark side of life,
I believe that was the image you projected? Brother, I
have no disagreement with satanism; Do what thou wilt, an attunement
with the inner self, to my mind, whatever the (Reasonable)path, is
surely a life well spent.
However, you mention prominently the vehicle's; Crowleys, prediliction
for, then legal, drugs. I do NOT condone the use of drugs,Yet I do not
understand why His private life preferences, makes His works any less
enlightening?
Oh, we weave a dark web to repel, to attract, to test.
Perhaps you would like to reply Uvray, I'm curious, I can't grasp the
humanity you seek, seriously brother, I want to understand Satanism
further, this time, from a person. I've outlined our structure, Yours?
Best wishes.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by ann B User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 09:01 PM
Hi Denise yes I agree the words were unfortunate but this tends to be a
soap box of mine. I have the Grimoires and play them quite a lot though
they are getting pretty scratchy now.
I have just begun to form a circle like to build it up with trusted people.
I hope the recipient of the words I wrote wasnt too upset as perhaps nuthouse doesnt have quite the same emotion to him
Take care everyone and keep learning
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Ann B User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 05:40 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM
UVRay, please oh please dont use the word nut house As a retired RMN
this word is totally abhorrent to me, these are human beings, yes their
dark side comes into view but they are terribly unhappy misled people
Drugs are of course a curse and should be avoided if at possible but
most start as children as they try to live up to their peers and their
often horrific home life.
Be gracious to people with problems.
Aleister Crowley was a great magician a poet of great quality and a
deeply troubled person Also he was lost in his own image that people
gave to him. There is no proof he sacrficed animals only his shock
methods. Perhaps he did perhaps he didnt but learn from his obvious
mistakes It is hard to give up being famous even if it is unpopular
[Infoburst: Hi Ann, UVRay's comments were unfortunate but
generalisations usually are. Actually Crowley did enter into his diary
two instances where he 'sacrificed' small animals in an attempt to test
out the claims of some ancient grimoires. These experiments should not
be misread as a proclivity for sacrifice, rather the reverse. After
realising that it was unnecessary he to our knowledge never sacrificed
any more. However as is the usual way with the British sensationalist
media these two instances have been worked up into the 'fact' that he
continually sacrificed animals of all kinds - a complete untruth. In
reality Crowley's chapter on The Bloody Sacrifice in 'Magic' illustrates
in metaphor that the only real 'sacrifice' that is of use to magicians
is a much more subtle release of life-force that does not involve
killing anything. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic O.T.O. posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Does anyone have any information on the difference between O.T.O. and
Albion O.T.O.? The wikipedia entry does not refer to Albion O.T.O. and
the respective websites each do not - so far as I can see - relate one
to another. If I wanted to pursue Thelema as a solitary practitioner but
with the guidance of an Order - what would be best?
Topic O.T.O.-Golden Dawn. posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 02:33 AM
As has been pointed out to me, I should clarify that the first order of
Thelema, which The O.T.O. call the Golden Dawn is a convenience, which
may need to be changed.
The Thelemic G.D. is nothing to do with The original Golden Dawn.
The Golden Dawn, after a period of dormancy has re-formed.
To avoid confusion, please consider the first order of Thelema as The O.T.O.
I expect O.T.O. are pondering on this.
As I was initiated immediately into The Higher Orders, I have little to do with these politics. Best Wishes to All.
Topic A.Crowley-The second Order. posted by ONU. User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Greetings Brother/Sister. My idea was to explain, in terms the
semi-learned student could grasp, the Thelemic arts of sex magick,
with copy-right as of S.A. as One has that authority, and Magick must
change with the times:- "The resistance to change is intellectual
death."
However Utopian the ideal, reading a post on 'S.A. suggestions',
displays the inadvisability of this.
This Art, practised for 12-18 months, is a 'higher' experience,of
absolute clarity, than a continuous pure 'cocaine+L.S.D.'experience,
(If you can imagine such a thing) a transcendent power which may be
given to others. It appears that A. Crowley's original observation
still applies: "It seems inevitable that our greatest power, will fall
into enemy (Black brothers) hands. For ultimately, it requires only
concentration; and even the brute-man is able to concentrate.
However, I would rather see a world governed by both black, and white lodges, than the (Then) current innefectual wishy-washy
lack of order." However, I am not prepared to release such, into this
admirable forum, as undesirable, to my mind, elements infiltrate. I have
no right nor inclination, to block the path even of the entirely black
magician; I am not the cosmic chef,and
do appreciate the existance of light/dark. It is rather the half-
-hearted shell types; the parasitic obstacles to the average Aspirant, which, as such, I shall not feed.
One is glad that One paused to consider these matters fully.
No doubt, I shall bequeth my secrets to the S.A. apon achieving stage 4
of our Thelemite meditation;( Physical death.)Until then;
Light, Life, Love and liberty to All.
Topic Crowley/Thelema. posted by ONU (draconuit.) User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 05:45 PM
I note that this thread contains a lot of disinformation, sheer
confusion concerning this matter. Perhaps this may be of use to some.
Thelema consists of Three orders, The Ordo Templi Orientis;
( O.T.O.)apparently descendents of The Knight Templars,formed in
1894, which soon accepted The Golden Dawn,currently The Outermost:
visible order of Thelema. They work much as The Freemasons do, in
physical matters, implementing Aleister Crowleys Utopean style life. The
emphasis in this, the largest Order, is on achieving knowledge and
conversation of The Holy Guardian Angel, The Atman,
The True inner soul of Man, The Will. One practices in Group Ritual,
fraternises in Lodges,. The mainspring is Sex Magick, learnt from The
Knights. After rising through the grades of Astral Mastery, Qabbalistic
learning, and final moral instruction, One does perform
the required techniques, overthrow the ego-self which limits,and
oppresses the true self, rescuing and awakening the princess, one's own
female self,(or vice versa), who then leads one, through the Astral
Planes to the edge of Space, this, as textbook:- rising, if one be a
musician,hearing the most magnificent music imaginable, unto unity, as a
Star, within, and a part of infinite Mind-Space.
It is this revealing of The True self that constitutes Adeptus Minor. For The xstian, this would seem to be 'The Goal', it is
rather, the beginning of a new adventure, as one is admitted to The
College of The Holy Ghost; The Order of The Rosy Cross, where One does
learn New Magick. One does not have to be in The O.T.O to
achieve this, some people like working together, chatting, they are,
affectionately sheep. There are those who are goats, the lonely mountain
leapers, learning maverick self reliance through Solo practice. Such a
Person tends to be initiated by The Gods, until The Fates introduce a
Guru.
I shall consult as to whether it seems viable to continue this outline;
if yes, I shall carefully preview the learning within The 2nd order,
with physical examples.
Love, Light,Love and Liberty, to All.
Topic Crowley/Bush conspiracy theory stuff... posted by David User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 03:13 PM
If you're bored, check out these couple of links, or just google
'Aleister Crowley, George Bush' etc... Wonder if there's anything
to it ? The Barbara bush photo does look a bit like the one of AC
in the top hat. hmmmmm? David.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=39&contentid=4506
Topic Last days of Aleister Crowley posted by John User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Nice article I found reminiscing about Aleister Crowley's
latter days at Netherwood, hastings. Hope some of you
will like it too.
Best, John.
http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/articles/03/1001231.html
Topic Gematria. posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 04:26 AM
Greetings Denise, a huge apology if I have misused the great knowledge
of the ancients! I decided to rest from contribution, as I was
displeased at my recent entries; However, Rectificiando: To put right
that which is wrong: A person made sarcastic comment on gematria,'Anon'
may have been mocking, and/or asking "what is this?" I replied with an
interpretation of the numbers quoted, my point being that which you have
so concisely, and precisely explained: What gematria is. I have
responded to "'93' to you," or suchlike; in fairness then, this number
is at the root of Thelema, Aleister Crowleys 'Religion' (some consider
it a philosophy.) It means The energies apparent in the New Aeon. As I
understand it, Marabus calls these 'New Aeon Energies' without
restriction to one Religion. In Thelema, 93 is a formula also. Anyone
interested in studying this further,e.g. Qabalah, will find all relevant
information at S.A. Happy New Age Energies, and a Happy New Year!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Denise W User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 01:01 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:17 PM
There is so much Gematria in this thread that it is becoming obfuscated
so here's the world's shortest primer on Gematria. With this anyone can
read the replies in this thread and get the gist of what contributors
are saying if not the actual concepts.
Gematria is a qabbalistic method of analysing the meanings, symbolism
and synchronicities connected with words which all have the same 'root'
number. All letters in ancient hebrew have a number value and therefore
all words by numerical reduction or addition of their letter-numbers
also produce cosmic root numbers. When these root numbers coincide it
indicates a special relationship between the words and the things the
words denominate. These root numbers can be used by initiates instead of
words to convey certain cosmic concepts which would be amgibuous in
ordinary English. Gematria is considered an essential method of
extracting maximum meaning from ancient Hebrew holy texts which are
often allegorical and the words used chosen originally by scribes to
disguise the true messsage initiates wanted to convey. It is
particularly useful in understanding The Word of God in the old
testament. Unfortunately of late gematra is being mis-used as a kind of
encryption system to exclude people not in the know. Naughty!
Anyone can work out the gematria of any ideas and words using the
qabbalistic techniques outlined in Regardie's Golden Dawn but Crowley
refined the technique further and produced a Cabbalistic reference work
called Liber 777 which is an essential list of magical correspondences
and also includes Sepher Sephiroth, Crowley's own gematriacal dictionary
where most of the magical words used in his system are ready-converted
to gematriacal numbers and can be read straight off the page. Liber 777
is available from the S.A. Goto
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm and scroll down the
page to Liber 777.
BB - Denise W.
Topic Crowley. posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 26, 2007 at 07:59 PM
Greetings. I do not usually drink alchohol, however at the time of previous entries ,I was drunk; stupid, to the extreme.
What can be learnt? I shall post a new
Topic for debate.
May all attain.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 06:32 PM
TO DENISE-WEBMASTER-I can see no value in my previous three postings to
the site browser; seeker of Truth. Please simply erase them as a waste
of space, (if you will.)
Concerning my personal voyage of self discovery; THANKYOU! For creating
this site, Which introduced a fellow seeker; Al 156:THANKYOU!And a BIG
93!
Best wishes to All!
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Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 06:32 PM
TO DENISE-WEBMASTER-I can see no value in my previous three postings to
the site browser; seeker of Truth. Please simply erase them as a waste
of space, (if you will.)
Concerning my personal voyage of self discovery; THANKYOU! For creating
this site, Which introduced a fellow seeker; Al 156:THANKYOU!And a BIG
93!
Best wishes to All!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 06:36 AM
Al Babalon156- I owe you a big 'thankyou; I didn't know of the Blake/Red
dragon connection, I've just viewed the 3 paintings:Red Dragon and etc.
The 4th; The number of the Beast Glad I met You, 156. Light, Life,Love
and Liberty, to Thee and Thine!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 05:09 AM
Alannah Babalon156; Apologies, please disregard previous: describe a
painting?Describe a sunset! I looked up 'woman clothed in sun' via a
thelemic library; OH. And Red dragon; OH.
Hope you enjoy xmas, and a Big 93 to you!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 12:08 AM
Greetngs, again; I've read but fragments of Blake; I'm fascinated; Red
Dragon and woman clothed in Sun, can you please point me to appropriate
book, or, preferably explain the basics on site? Why am 'I' Red Dragon?
An inner revelation as to my true nature, is coming; I don't object to
this aspect going 'on site,' if you don't mind explaining: If you feel(
and I respect your judgement,)that I should read this privately, cool,
But I feel like a child with an xmas pressie! Woman clothed in sun?
Please do tell!
Unto Our Lady: BABALON!156.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 11:34 PM
Thankyou; Your knowledge of Qabala, the basis of all medeival magic, and
your spell casting thereof is illuminating! 379? Thankyou, 42dd;
thanks, but done 42, double d? 2 daleths; hmm, can't accept that one,
right back at Ya! 417, many zeros, and completion in one! Ah, brother,
one day, one day, lovely thought though. 93000, well, of course,
inevitably! How refreshing to converse with you, rather than a man
intent on mocking that which he cannot understand,the very reason our
powers are veiled in numbers, though 'evil' or 'good' can use them, if
they have the intelligence and will to learn; I'd rather see society
governed by 'black' and 'white' lodges, than fools whose greatest
contribution is to alert others to the very real need not to succumb to
qlippothic human impulse.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Sorry I assumed that possibly your moniker had been influenced by the
painting (The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed In The Sun) by
writer, painter and mystic William Blake.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 01:06 PM
Yeah great! I wish you 379, a 42dd a and 417000000000000001 r ?? Happy 93000
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 12:47 AM
Thankyou, Allanah Babalon156,that's nice. Actually I've considered
myself to be 'Red Dragon,' since chidhood, I saw myself in '95,skrying ,
looking into a blank t.v screen,as a smiley dragon. Blake? William?
Would you be so kind as to explain the connection,please? Happy 93!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 12:04 AM
Red Dragon (love the moniker by the way, a Blake fan per chance?) your
93 sounds great from where Im sitting, and 93 back to you. :-)
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 11:30 PM
Sorry, I should have written 'previous 'tosh' written, Allanah
Babalon156, Visitor, Denise,previously things were unbalanced in favour
of tittle tattle damnation, ignoring the fact that Crowley travelled the
world, gathering together fragmented esoteric truth, and reformulating
magic into the Magick which underpins modern workings. Things are
balancing out. As Allanah Babalon156 would put it: A Big 93 To All!
(Hope that's o.k, 156, it sounds Good!)
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Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Red dragon User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Thankyou, Denise. It's good to hear some straight talk, concerning the
man. A natural occult/mystic by birth, life moulded me into the
'perfect' Thelemite. (perfect? Ha!)I chose age twelve to break out of
the 'bubble' I was in; figuring that the methods i planned on would mean
I wouldn' live past 45.so I studied Bhuddism, mescaline,(legal.) The
Egyptian Gods, The Etheric Planes, becoming a full Qabalist Magician;
Not Enough! I found Thelema, Thank IT! And it is my life, my humble
contribution to The Great work.I have read The booklet you recommend, I
found it concise realistic, a 'fair' descptive read concerning Crowleys
work. It is certainly a refreshing obective 'reality blast'compared to
the (to my mind) 'tosh' written on this page.Those interested in 'The
Truth'concerning Crowley,could certainly find a 'fair indication' in the
suggested work. Light,life,love and liberty; May All Attain. P.s, I
reached 45, the old 'me' died, leaving a more serene me, alive and
enjoying it!. AUM.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:45 PM
Hi Visitor
Thanks for the reply, Thelema means a helluva lot to me too, and I owe a
lot to it and to how its shaped me and my life. So a big 93 to you, and
to everybody here have a merry christmas and all the best for the
forthcoming 2008! :-) May it be a magickal year all round!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by visitor User
posted on December 22, 2007 at 06:43 PM
Hi, just visiting for the holidays, spent most time looking at this
site! I agree with you on all points here,Allanah, Thelema is my
'Religion', but it's maybe diffucult to see, for many; look at all the
bad press on this page. I'm gonna have to quote a passage! I keep
thinking of, the verse of liber Al,c.1-v.10. I looked at all those
verses quoted on 'welcome' page,then it like found its climax and
finished! Do you know 'liber porta lucis'? That sums up my thoughts on
this. Yes, this religion has totally served my needs, it suits me
perfectly, but a load of people can't stand it,choosing to point to the
faults of the 'prophet', rather than read the profound, Holy writings.
As is their 'will'. I can tell you're well versed on it all, I hope you
have a full enriching life with Thelema. Watever your
Religion/philosophy, I wish One and All; Happy Holidays. I'll looksee
whats happening next year!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Denise User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 02:51 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Hi all, Just like to point out that when Crowley was taking drugs they weren't illegal in the U.K.
at the time and MANY artistic and cultured people were experimenting with mind altering
substances to see how far it would ehance their creativity. The use of Absinthe, Cocaine and
Heroin was easy and widespread (far more than in the 1960s), witness the creation by Conan
Doyle in 1981 of the fictional Sherlock Holmes complete with regular Opium habit (albeit
frowned on for health reasons by Dr Watson!). Drug taking at that time did not have the same
pejorative overtones that it evokes today so we should be careful by what yardstick we judge.
Crowley was a dysfunctional middle-class hypocrite who would probably not deign to speak to
most of the people who now follow his teachings, yet to try to dislocate the innovations,
discoveries and syntheses he fostered from occultism today would be impossible. It is a given
of the human condition that lives lived to the full always end tragically so pointing this out in
Crowley's instance doesn't really help the debate and rather misses the point of what these
geniuses sacrifice so the rest of us can learn. Crowley clearly knew this which is presumably
why he chose the outer order name of Perdurabo - 'I endure'. Anyone who has been fed the
'Wickedest Man In The World' anti-Crowley propaganda should read Marabas's OEXP063
Crowley and Human Sacrifice Smear which you can download instantly right now from http://
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm (scroll down the page to OEXP063) because it is
probably the best overall research which blows apart the idea that Crowley was some kind of
Black Magician.
BB, Denise Wadsworth, Scribe to Marabas
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by paa! User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 06:10 PM
The mumbling nonesense in 'Magick Without Tears' and the third rate
Thoth tarot deck are evidence only of his rapid decline. Drugs and
poverty destroyed the man.The important thing is not to confuse the man
with the message!As someone has already said, he was a total wastrel but
his contribution up until the age of around forty is a sufficient
legacy to have bequeathed to the brethren. Apologist's for Crowley
rarely do him any justice, they just exaccerbate the existing confusion.
A lot of people like some of his stuff but not even - most - Thelemites
like all of it!!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Never met the man and so do not feel able to comment having only opinions nth removed to base my view on.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:21 AM
The details of the man's life are irrelevant, its the legacy of his
works left behind that matters and thats what should be judged. And that
legacy of works is still being explored to this day by various people
in the occult field. Luciferians, chaos magickians, Wicca, to name other
groups working in the magickal field have all been touched or
influenced in some way by the man, and have borrowed heavily as well.
There's few very parts of occultism which hasn't been touched by the
influence of Crowley, his shadow towers everywhere.
The drugs, et al are just another part of the story, and one that even
modern society misunderstands. Sure ol Uncle Al liked his stuff, but why
shouldn't he? Do What Thou Wilt, if it works in harmony with your Will
then why not?. This is a man who utilised various substances in an
effort to break down the barriers between the mind and magick, to
explore what connection these substances would have under a spiritual
basis of inquiry rather than strictly a medicial way. Drugs may be a
double-edged sword of exploration but Crowley knew this and went for the
spiritual basis rather than just having a rare ole time under some
mind-altering substances (and also composed some well-written and
thought-provoking essays on drugs way before Burroughs, Huxley etc,
witness his essay on hashish, one of the best ever written). His asthma
unfortunately was taken care of early in life with opium, one of the few
drugs still known to help the passageways of the lungs. So there's no
doubt he'd have problems later in life when the habit-forming workings
of opium, heroin etc weren't exactly well known at the time when it was
presecibed. As for Netherwood, the place of residence in his latter
years was far from a broken down old boarding house, in fact the way it
was regarded at the time was not of an inferior place, quite the
opposite.
If any proof of the man's genuis was needed in the latter years (and the
nonsense of him being a worn down old junkie at the twilight of his
existence put to bed for all), I give you The Thoth Tarot, one of the
finest decks ever brought into creation with Lady Frieda Harris who's
images to Crowley's instructions still dazzle my eyes despite being a
veteran of the deck. Filled with qabalistic data, astrological,
alchemical and other knowledge painted on the cards, its a complicated
deck to get to grips with, but the sheer energy contained within the
cards slowly pulls one in. Also "Magick Without Tears", which despite
being judged as somehow simplistic, is still one of the few serious
books on beginning the work that a beginner can access very easily.
Written in the shape of letters to a student, the book is a wonderful
little collection of informational tidbits regarding the differing
avenues of magick.
He brought much more to the party of life than what he took away.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 09:17 PM
Just because he was going through a drug induced bad time does not mean
Crowley was exploring the darkside - if anything the darkside was
exploring him
lvx
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 09:13 PM
But at least he was not a satanist
Topic Crowley posted by NEMO User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 07:06 PM
One has to laugh. I am a Thelemite, high rank, this disinformation
concerning 'Our uncle Al,' was created specifically so his detractors
would long remember and revile him, printing his works long after his
transition(death.)Thank you so much, his sacrifice was well worth it!
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Topic Crowley posted by NEMO User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 07:06 PM
One has to laugh. I am a Thelemite, high rank, this disinformation
concerning 'Our uncle Al,' was created specifically so his detractors
would long remember and revile him, printing his works long after his
transition(death.)Thank you so much, his sacrifice was well worth it!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 06:37 PM
Exactly. Crowley was NOT a Satanist. We consider him a complete and utter wastrel.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 05:10 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:31 AM
An erroneous discussion. Crowley was NOT a satanist - much of the
slander comes from the media and from Crowley's own desperate antics,
after he went bankrupt. He was incapable of having employment and his
only hope of continued existence ( in the style to which he was
accustomed! )was to prostitute himself in order to scrounge off rich
people.
Before he squandered his fortune, Crowley was a far more genuine
magician in what came to be the tradition of Golden Dawn Magick. His own
brand of Thelemic Magick is once again NOT satanic but unofficial and
uninitiated readers,groups,mavericks and charlatans have labelled him as
satanic for their own misinformed and misguided ends.
Crowley was a great success but a great failure also.He was tragically
all too human.His writings have to be approached in this way to avoid
the pitfalls which have been alluded to in previous postings but he was
always a magician of the light even if at times he found himself plunged
into the pits of darkness - but isn't that exactly what things like
heroine and cocaine do to people? Surely the example of drug use in our
own time should inform as well as caution us about what some people term
the dark side.In point of fact, yes we do have a dark side and part of
our journey is to rise above it ( the dark night of the soul comes to
mind here! ) not to immerse oneslf in it as if it were the goal of
magick as the satanists do!
Do What Thou Wilt
lvx
Well said Lvxmagician! - Denise W.]
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 12:12 PM
I do not suggest we should not confront our dark side. But we must work
pragmatically with it. Accepting it as part of our nature does not
excuse such practices as torturing animals, as Crowley did.
As I said, in my opinion, a successful magician does not destroy
themselves and everyone around them as Crowley did. It is not successful
practice if you end up suicidal, in a nut house or addles with Heroin
as Crowley did.
As an ordained priest in The Church Of Satan I can tell you our
philosophy is centered on acceptance of man's true nature - not on
denial. But that does not mean we should act negatively because of it.
Human beings still have a responsibility to themselves to forge ahead
positively and productively in their lives - this is the essence of
vital existance - to bring happiness into our lives; a happiness that is
fundamentally grounded in emancipation from herd modes of thought.
Scapegoating is what faith based religions do in excusing the actions of
wastrels. The successful magician accepts his dark side and makes it
work for him by positively.
It's quite evident that Crowley wasted his obvious talents. By all means
I think one might take something positive from his endeavours - but to
go down the same road as him would be total failure.
.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 10:38 AM
I really cannot agree with all this bad attitude towards Crowley! I
first became interested in the occult at the age of 12 though did not
begin to experiment until much later but even at that age I had a strong
instinct that Crowley was a peron of great validity in magic and
aquired the Thoth Tarot Deck at the age of 13 which I still possess many
years later. Ok yes he does explore the dark side but remember we all
have a dark side and it is better to confront it and acknowlegde it and
integrate it rather than try to pretend that it does not exist. I have
read Book 4; Magick in Theory and Practice; Gems from the Equinox and
the Book of Thoth as well as his novel Moonchild and find him to be one
of the best and most brilliant occultists if not the best and most
brillant!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 08:00 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:28 AM
Like most things, there are aspects of Crowley's philosophies, ideas and
practices that are of interest. But personally I think he was,
over-all, an idiot. The cruelty to animals is simply inexcusable and is
the kind of sadism that would suggest he had serious psychological
problems underlying his actions.
For all his efforts he ended up financially broke, friendless, destitute
and drug addled. He left a trail of destruction and unhappiness in his
wake for himself and everyone involved with him.
Hardly the pinnacle of a successful magician.
In effect, I see Crowley as someone who never actually shed the skin of
Christian indoctrination. To all intents and purposes he was actually
heretical - rather than free of the shackles. Heretics are actually more
in bondage than anyone else.
"The Beast" monicker, if I am not mistaken, came from his mother who
labeled him as such as a child; the horrid little thing he apparently
was.
[Infoburst: That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater UVRAY - you
are not accounting for the excesses of Genius. Crowley 'sacrificed' his
life in a welter of magical extremis. Some of these experiments had to
have had a negative effect. I agree with you, his character WAS
appalling and he was anally retentive. On one hand he was a product of
the British class sytem and would probably not have given house room to
90 of the people who now follow his philosophies, yet at the same time
he was an absolutely brilliant magician and attempted to reorganise and
concatenate the entire spiritual and magical development of humankind
into one sacred magical and philosophical method. The astounding thing
is that he actually achieved most of this ambition. His influence on the
modern magical revial is unsurpassed. As for ending up a wizened
drug-soaked tragic figure; well, that is part of the Human Condition and
we will all join him there eventually! Crowley was many things but
'idiot' wasn't one of them. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Aleister Crowley posted by nimmo User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 12:30 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:17 AM
Greetings to all on the Forum. Regards Aleister Crowley, I have several of his books and enjoy them very
much but some aspects of his life are rather
off-putting, eg: 1. He writes about sacrificing animals in some of his
works, killing pigeons at each point of the magickal triangle comes to
mind, as does crucifying a frog. There is also the story about the
scarlet woman and the goat (bestiality) in some biographies. Where did
Crowley learn that killing animals would help his magick ? (from
grimoires, or the Golden Dawn, or Monotheist religions)..I see rather
sadly that the
OTO American website says it does not condemn animal sacrifice as it is
an ancient religious tradition. 2. What were Crowley's motivations for
calling himself the Beast 666 if not for shock value ? It seems rather
infantile like teenage rebellion lasting into adulthood.
That 666 might have been some Solar/Qabalistic number might be
plausible, but tagging the word Beast onto it makes it seem rather
silly.
Any ideas on these subjects would be greatly appreciated. Regards, John.
[Infoburst. According to John Symmonds (Crowley's biographer - "The
Great Beast")it was Crowley's MOTHER who termed AC 'The Beast 666'.
She was presumably offended by AC's impiety. Ever the one to shock,
Crowley adopted it. Crowley did not advocate killing animals - but he
experimented with doing it to find out whether the old and traditional
sacrifices outined in many grimoires and religious tracts (Orthodox
Christians still sacrifice lambs at Easter for instance) were of any
value - they werent and so he found another method which avoided it.
Sounds like you would definitely benefit from reading Marabas's OEXP63 on Crowley and Sacrifice.
You can download it instantly right now from here.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm Click on this link and scroll down to oexp063. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic Alex Sanders Qabalistic Cross posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 23, 2010 at 11:57 PM
edited on April 01, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Hiya
I heard a cd with Alex Sander's doing the Qabalistic Cross. At the
beginning he spoke what sounds like "Keteena" also he seemed to do the
ritual in a different way than I have come across. Anyone have any info
on this?
Thanks
[INFOBURST: I think the recording you are referring to is 'A Witch is
Born' which was a revolutionary offering in Sanders' heyday. Alex
Sanders was a product of his time and his system, (later termed
Alexandrian Magic and unjustly benefitting from beginners confusing the
name Alex with that influential centre of classical occult philosophy
and learning at Alexandria in Egypt!) was somewhat of an hotch-potch of
occult ideas. Marabas always criticised Sanders for mixing symbology and
ceremonial from monotheism and pantheism. For example his magical
system borrows heavily from The Key of Solomon grimoire (a monotheist
magical manual) yet is supposed to be pagan! Similarly his use of the
kabbalistic Rose Cross Rite sits at odds with the pagan cosmos. I cannot
remember the exact wording of A Witch is Born but I wouldn't consider
it to be a purist introduction to either Qabbalism or Paganism. Sanders
did some really stupid things to get publicity in the 1970s which
brought the Craft into disrepute but exonerated himself somewhat later.
Marabas says he was more of a show-man than a shaman.
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Topic Aleister Crowley: World's Tragedy posted by John User
posted on June 18, 2009 at 10:05 AM
The World's Tragedy, available at the following link
with some extracts below quoting the 'Holy Trinity'
for those with an interest in why Crowley was so
anti Christian read the preface which explains his
religious upbringing and having to still tolerate
'Cold boiled Jesus' into adulthood.
Hope this will be reprinted again soon...John
http://www.io.com/~secret/oto.org/collected-works/worlds-tragedy.html
THE VULTURE:
Yaugh Waugh!
Butch! this is terrible
That all these people should be happy -- Pss! --
Without a thought of Me!
Ga! Ga! the plague
Rot them in hell!
Cramp! Ague! Pox! Gout! Stone -- Hoo!
What shall I do to stop it?
It's sin -- sin -- sin. I hate them. Oog!
I want them to go groaning
Over imaginary ills
With white eyes twisted up to Me,
Where I sit and croak
And snarl! Ugh! Faugh!
I'm Yaugh Waugh!
I'm Yaugh Waugh!
Ga! Oa! Hoo! Hoo!
Scratch!
I must invent a plan
To ruin all this gladness.
Ha! Plup! I have it.
There's nothing here
That would accept my favours --
Uck! Bulch! --
So I'll abuse myself to chaos
And see what comes of it.
Ha -- Ba! Ha -- Ba!
Ab -- ab -- ab --ab -- ab!
Utch -- what is this?
Coagulated yolk of the addled egg
Of chaos! Hatch it out!
That's why I AM. Hoo -- hoo -- hoo -- hoo -- hoo!
Oh! -- now the white of the old egg is curled
Into a ragged fleece.
Ga! Ga! I've got a son:
What will it be?
O heaven -- a lamb!
I'm Yaugh Waugh, Yaugh Waugh.
I'll call it Yaugh Shaugh Waugh.
Good! Can you talk,
First born? -- I'll never have another,
I'm Yaugh Waugh, Yaugh Waugh.
Bow to me, you lumpy lambkin!
Haw! Haw! Haw!
Now at last a wooden thing
That will do my business for me.
Uck! Uck! The morning's carrion
Bubbles in my paunch.
I am belching dreadfully.
What? Uck? Uck? How strange!
For the windy vomit of me
Shapes itself into a sorry
And bedraggled pigeon.
Birdie, have you got religion?
Yes, he bows most properly.
Come then, let us take our counsel
How to stop this sad behaviour,
This gross impropriety,
Irreligion -- Uck! it's awful.
Squat, then! Pigeon, you're the youngest:
You speak first.
THE DOVE:
Almighty father!
I have magnificent
And sublime and noble scheme.
Listen! I will find a woman --
THE VULTURE:
Oh! you dirty-minded rascal!
THE DOVE:
Wait a moment -- I will do it.
Find a virgin -- if I can,
And on her beget this lambkin
In the image of a man.
THE VULTURE:
That seems complicated, pigeon.
We've the lamb begotten here.
THE DOVE:
Yes, I know; it seems absurd;
But in practice I am certain
It will work out splendidly.
THE VULTURE:
Well, proceed!
THE DOVE:
Of course I will;
I'm accustomed to "proceeding."
Let the lamb grow up to manhood
Then we'll have him whipped and tortured
And eventually killed.
THE VULTURE:
That sounds lovely.
THE LAMB:
Do you think so??
I record my vote against it.
THE DOVE:
Stupid! in a day or so
We will have you rise again.
THE LAMB:
Really! I may be a dullard;
But I cannot see the point
Of this most elaborate nonsense.
THE DOVE:
Well, you will. We'll make a rule
That anyone who disbelieves it
Shall be strictly prosecuted
-- With the utmost rigour
Of the majesty of law.
THE LAMB:
And if any fool believes it --
THE DOVE:
He shall come to live with Us.
What a privilege!
THE VULTURE:
Provided
He observe propriety,
Never laugh, never dance,
Never do the dreadful thing!
THE DOVE
Precisely so!
Topic Mercata posted by AnnB User
posted on May 07, 2009 at 02:58 PM
Endor Macata as you see I have feeling a lot better now and how on earth
am I protect myself from people who dont read things properly not once
had I said he was evil he is never portrayed as evil in eith of these
novels I read or in the Scarifiers. In this show he tends to be a nice
quiet eccentric person who helps the good guys fight the bad.I have been
a witch for more years than I can remember with a special protecting
from the wizard Mazkuth who I knew very well.If I keep on being attacked
for trying to help and probably because Im elderly I will resign from
this forum with great reluctance Having connected with Denise and others
who are very knowledgable
Topic Aleister Crowley posted by AnnB User
posted on May 07, 2009 at 02:47 PM
There are plenty of books re Mr.Crowley the fact he was a free mason is
well,in my library (very small) they have a new book about him but the
bigger libraries are better for selection I do have his Magick Book and
read a biography about him he is a very interesting man because no one
knows the truth about him History tends to go round corcers for instance
Richard 1 LionHeart hero and all round good egg was never in this
Country so poor old Robin Hood never got his pardon.This is a light
comparison about a man who revelled in being called Evil, if he hadnt
done so perhaps he would have faded away like many of the Golden Dawn
names of the day. Now please dont write to say Im against him just
trying to put it into its text For all of that he is a really
interesting man.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley Evil posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 08:48 PM
Sorry Anne if my comunication is poor, Im teaching myselves to write
(not always with success). My comments were directed at the title of
this thread not any one post in particualer. My point, which i'm sure
you'll agree is, just because someones charicter may not gel with our
own does not in any way discredit there work. Jim Morrison springs to
mind! But also i point towards the possability that Crowleys charicter
can not be pinned down on account of him being a Magician.
Smles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley Evil posted by AnnB User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 04:41 PM
I meant to put this on the end of last message
In order for the light to shine so brightly
The darkness must be there
AnnB
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley Evil posted by AnnB User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 04:31 PM
I was critising Aleister Crowley but just pointing out how his name is
always popping up in literature. These two books were pure fiction based
on actual people who had lived.
I have read all his work. and have his Grimoires on tape so how can I
not be a believer in what he states.Have never denied this if you took
the trouble to read further down you would see I mentioned he was in the
Scarifiers as a help to Professor Dunning.A novel of fiction again The
are good books to read perhaps for escapism Also I have never claimed
that he was evil
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley Evil. Lol posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on March 18, 2009 at 05:53 PM
I met a Feminist once who hated Einstien because she says "he was a
bastard womaniser", but she wasnt arrogant enough to dissmiss E=MC2!!!
Seriously now.. judge him for yourself on his many styles of works and
not the relative position of someone elses experiences.
Ricenpeas
Topic Aleister Crowley Evil posted by endor mocata User
posted on March 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM
No definitely not! There has been so much evil lies said about Crowley!
The Great Beast was inspired by the Book of Revelation but he knew of
course that there was much in organized religion which enslaves people
the devil was invented by the priests to create fear in the minds of
people so that they could be more readily controlled by the temporal
power of the priests in effect sqashing all the magical potential out of
them like flies splattered on a window. (If a spirit tells you its the
devil suspect it might be the evil spirit of a dead priest). Aleister
Crowley is one of the greatest adepts and it is best to regard the Great
Beast as a Lion of Light (remember his horoscope has Uranus in Leo in
the first house) as thus he is a liberator of the souls through his
magical teachings. Years ago I got the Thoth Tarot along with the book
of Thoth it is very advanced and requires in depth knowledge of the
Kabbalah in the Western Esoteric Tradition and the inner meaning ot
Thelemite Jargon which is easily misiterpreted by the shortsighed in a
negative light. To get a clear understanding of Thelema Jargon I can
highly recommend a marvelous book by Lon Milo DuQuette Understanding
Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot in conjunction with reading the Book of
Thoth. Read Crowley's Poem One Star In Sight that should make evident
what Crowley was really about. Also the secrets of Mind Control form SA
willdo much to throw of the final shackles of our indoctrination and
make our problems with the establisment very clear and Oexp 63 for SA.
People should grow up it would be nice not to see any mor crap vilifying
Crowley's name. As years go on his greatness will become even more
evident.
Topic Aleister Crowley posted by AnnB User
posted on December 19, 2008 at 06:33 PM
Up he rears again in two books I have read recently in the 1st he is
very apparent alongside the author and perhaps Satanist Dennis Wheatley
who knows I have long wished to ask my Aunt as she worked with him in
the War but I know the reply I would most probably get so will not take a
chance anyway he is very involved in the first story and is indeed
quite magical.
The books are by F G Cottam
1st book The House of Lost Souls
2nd book I peronally preferred Dark Echo about a haunted ship very scary
and utterly brilliant. If you read them at all let me know what you
think.
See you all well and thriving in the New Year
Many Blessings.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by AnnB User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 09:15 PM
Hannah no its not really a tree but its a way to describe it
If you manage to imagine a flat piece of line which dips down into a form of ditch and then up again until flat again
Much like a valley perhaps thats a bit better description of
1st grief bereavement down into depression anger then acceptance
Ive probably confuse you more but as my family always say thats the one thing Im really good at
Take Care Dear and Blessings
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Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Hannah User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 11:21 AM
what is "The Tree of Life" in Psychiatry please?
Are you referring to the Kabbalistic Tree?
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by AnnB User
posted on October 05, 2008 at 05:43 PM
Hi Paul I do hope you enjoy them. It will leave poor Crowley alone for a while talking about something else.
I hope you get to be happier just follow the tree of life as used in
pyschiatry to let people see that when youre down the only way is up
again anger depression hope acceptance its all there and works in
time.Meditate listen to music I have one to play when my back is really
bad its called Gentle Rain all it is is the sound of rain and birds
another one is the sound of the sea just like soft angry
I think I may be waffling as the morphine has been highered
so will sign off now Many blessings and happy times
A
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Dear Anne B,
THANKYOU!
I don't understand most 'ordinary' humour, I have the feeling
I'm in for a treat!
I need to laugh again!
Blessings,
Serenity-One<>All
888
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by AnnB User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Hello yes its on Sunday @ 6 for half an hour the second story started last week so it will be on the website for the week
perhaps it would be better to hear this episode first so you know whats
happening? also try Brightonmaconimom? on Sat starring David Warner if
anything this is weider than scarifiers great fun
I sit in bed alone giggling if seen will be appearing at the local
hospital five minutes up the road, where Im well known having donre my
stint up there before moving to work in a drug clinic in London
Take Care and enjoy
AnnB Many blessings to everyone Special hugs to Denise a great girl
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 02:17 AM
Dear Anne B.
Greetings, hope you're well.
The series you mention:- The Scarifiers, sounds a hoot!
I've found BBC 7, would you be so kind as to tell me, on
which day, at which time this series is broadcast?
Hope so!
Many thanks, in advance,
Serenity-One>All
888
Topic Confessions of Aleister Crowley posted by Alex User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 07:31 PM
I'd recommend reading Crowley's own autobiography, or autohagiography (biography of a saint !) before any
other bio of the man. He is totally down to earth in it
and explains the bad press he got in a conversational
style. It is also a great look at all his adventures, not
only Magick, and often hilarious to boot (the haggis hunting
episode at Boleskine, etc). - Alex
Topic RE: Crowley, evil? posted by luck9 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 11:55 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM
many many thanks for such a greal explanation........really helpful and
yes, it does matter id theywere lovers, as it explains the man in opart
and I am an avid admirer of Regardie and also wish to better understand
his works.........know the man....know his works.........
[Infoburst: If you want some more clarity see
Marabas's OEXP063 Aleister Crowley and the Human Sacrifice Smear - it has a true perspective of how the British Establishment demonised him to try to undermine his message. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Crowley, evil? posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 02:58 AM
Hi,
No, I really don't think so. He actually had a very strong sense of
humour: Unfortunately, He grossly overestimated the intelligence of the
average man; so He'd crack a joke to the press, who didn't have a
clue.....Whoops!
However 'There aint no such thing as bad publicity'. He ensured that His
works remained remained in print, even if to vilify the man!
In His own words, as memory serves:-" I must weave a dark spiders web
around myself." The 'web' is full of blinds, double, even quadruple
meanings. To comprehend 'Thelemism' the Religion He founded,, One should
have a grasp of Qabballah, Bhuddist-Hindu yoga techniques, and a
knowledge of the procession of Egyptian Gods. I was at a loss as to the
next stage, until I found Thelema, though I suspect it found me, was
waiting, even! Why the scary facade? Firstly, to scare off the
unworthy;' evil to him who sees evil'.
Further, if an evil man misunderstands His work, the blinds protect the
sacred mysteries, (but not the evil man!) Lastly,(?) the earnest seeker
must be brave, to fathom the truth of it all.
Crowley was a western occultist, very different to the Eastern mystic,
though like so many occultists, his early years were mystic, to a
degree.
The mystic attitude is 'life is sorrow, so I'll ignore it.' He sort of
cuts himself off from the waist down, thereby validating the demon. He
also dosn't care as to the nature of the phenomena he encounters, as
long as he gets results.
The Western mind, explores his nature, accepting and transmuting it into
as perfect a form as he can. He investigates, scientifically.- It might
be pretty hard to get fun out of existance, but it's not impossible! I
like 'Uncle Al's' comment concerning the mystic attitude as:-" Yah boo,
foxes shall go brushless!."
He means that, treated sensibly, One can enjoy the beauty One is endowed
with. I, for instance, do not deny the tendancies of my nature, locking
them up in a cell in my subconcious; would they not fester and erupt
someday? I try, to transmute my tendancies into a goodly form. If a part
of my nature can be likened to a wild stallion, rather than build a
fence against it, I train that nature into a good riding horse. One must
distinguish, however, between One's personal tendancies, and those
imprinted by events in One's life.
Crowley's 'wickedest man in the world' title, is pretty standard behaviour for a Blue Peter presenter, nowadays!
Well, I hope this gives some food for thought to some.
Serenity-One>All
888
Topic Aleister Crowley posted by AnnB User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 08:15 PM
It is of no importance if these two men were lovers they are hardly the
only people it makes no difference to the their ideals or practices.
There is a very good book about Crowley (cant remember the title) where
Crowley tells his tale, believe it or not is up to you He is a very
interestin man as his tapes reveal. I listen to them quite a lot.Your
take on him he leaves entirely up to you.
But there is also a brilliant series on BBC7 called the Scarifiers with
Inspector Lionheart and Inspector Dunning,In it Aleister Crowley is
hilarious completely off the wall.So perhaps the author of theselittle
stories knew him quite well to take such a liberty
Topic Alistair Crowley was evil? posted by luck9 User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:32 AM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 02:17 PM
Though I admire him in some ways, I have read so much negative stuff ref him and Israel Regardie...I don't know what to think!
How do you guys find Crowley/Regardie?
Is it true they were lovers?
[Infoburst: Does it matter? BB Denise W.]
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Topic RE: Altar Direction Witchcraft posted by ethericsoul User
posted on February 17, 2010 at 02:50 PM
hiya
Thank you for this information it has made it all the more clear for me now.
Topic Altar Direction Witchcraft posted by ethericsoul User
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I am a bit confused with the Altar Direction within Witchcraft, some say
North others say East, and then for rituals of Banishment, in the
West.
[Infoburst: Greetings ethericsoul. What you have to remember is that
much of modern witchcraft is promulgated by people who do not fully
understand that of which they speak and many similar written
inconsistences have crept in to Wiccan worship due to an indiscriminate
pick-and-mix of quite separate traditions. Marabas teaches that people
who follow the Old Religion in the British Isles (Witchcraft)use the
Norse Pantheon of Gods who reside in the North and the altar is
therefore placed in the North to honour them. In the classical Pagan
Mystery Religions of the Mediterranean area which are usually
developments of sun-god worship the Altar is normally placed in the East
for that is where Sol rises. The tatvic tides run East to West with the
apparent direction of the sun therefore in magical systems using a Sun
God, (E.G. Ra, Mithras, Apollo, Zorostrianism etc ) one would banish to
the West. Of course if you live in the southern Hemisphere this all
changes and is particularly confusing in Oz but I assume you are based
in the Northern Hemisphere and would benefit from studying the
S.A.'s legendary Occult Year Planner for background on when, where and how to work your rites. properly. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: A MIRACLE!!! posted by windymiller User
posted on October 11, 2008 at 10:05 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Just seen it on ebay. Sheer class! Just love the music that goes with it!! :-))
[Infoburst: Nothing to do with the S.A. I hasten to add - though Marabas
did once posit the idea of a selection of cookie cutters in the
silhouettes of the Illuminati (joke!) BB Denise W. ]
Topic A MIRACLE!!! posted by 888 User
posted on October 11, 2008 at 07:04 PM
THE SECOND COMING?
Writes Bez-----ek, displaying a photograph,
clearly showing A. Crowley's face, on a piece of toast!
This priceless artifact has a current bid of £4.24, postage is free, and may be obtained from ' H--l, Yorkshire.':-)
(JOKE!)
'Tis The night before Crowleymas! Tomorrow, Thelemites celebrate the birth of Aleistair Crowley, born 12/10/1875.
Traditionally a day of JOKES, and frivolity! As Thelema by nature does
not distinguish between religions, (they all say a bit of the same
thing), why not celebrate the advances made over the 20th
century, giving us the freedom we enjoy today!
Why not Feast, Rejoice! And play jokes, not too wicked! :-)
Fun, Frivolity and feasting>One<>ALL
888
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Topic RE: Ancient Egyptian Funerary Magic posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 06:34 AM
I am not sufficiently studied in the subject to discuss the subject in
depth but if you haven't read it, I do think you would find The Occult
Arts Of Ancient Egypt by Bernard Bromage hugely interesting. I know I
did. The book is out of print now but you can track copies down online
quite often it seems. Very entertaining book.
Topic Ancient Egyptian Funerary Magic posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 22, 2007 at 09:41 AM
Are there any serious magical aspirants who are interested in discussing
Ancient Egyptian Funerary Magic. A few years ago I had the good fortune
to study for a degree in Egyptology and Ancient History. Before going
to university most of my knowledge of Egyptian Religion came from the
works of Wallis Budge. The lady who I studied with at university however
thought that to many people into th occult relied exclusivlely upon his
works and make him into a sort of cult figure while now more up to date
research has clarified much and ironed out many of the errors. She
thought that Wallis Budge should only be read after a more thorough
grounding in works like those of Taylor and Faulkoner. After studying
the modules I was apt to agree with her.
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Topic RE: Conciet. posted by BABALONUIT888 User
posted on September 22, 2008 at 09:21 AM
Dear One and All,
Blimey Charlie, what a kerfuffle! I was in a foul mood that night, no
doubt. However, I'd rather hoped for a sensible, merciless if need be,
opposing viewpoint, apon which a valid structure of debate could be
erected. Yet, they really are the transparent 'chaps' they seemed to be.
Astonishingly puerile. I apologise for saying that, yet is the simplest
abstraction to hand.
Men, even the intellectual, do enjoy a good 'tussle', though the
attitude should surely be, to, metaphorically, after conclusion, help
one's opponent up, wipe a bloodied nose, shake hands and form a bond!
'Tis in the nature of the beast. I surely didn't expect that, to my
mind, very odd, retort. Can't flaw Denises thinking, as ever. Well, a
brief visit, my new Rituals are coming along well, am interested in
chaosphere c.d, if any left in New Year. Myself, I've found things
as:-Mankind, approaching critical mass, is making its way to the abyss,
en masse:-The old magic, good for backbone, simply dosn't work with root
New Aeon energies. Chaos Magick, interestingly might.
Sorry for kerfuffle. Must work.
YITGW, serenity-One>All. 888
Topic RE: Conciet. posted by Outraged of Kensington! User
posted on September 22, 2008 at 08:48 AM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 02:11 PM
He didn't do that do did he that do? Well he shouldn't!
I know HIS sort, a simple foot-soldier of a dual faceted Supernal
Goddess, exposing the phallusies of decent chaps who use words like
'metaphysical' and 'abstruse', even when theyre NOT trying to get a job!
Probably the same chap at my local last night, talking loudly about 26
yr. old bronzed Mexican ladies, and golden showers, causing me a most
unfortunate trouser incident! Occultism? I've got four books! And I've
read them! Yes, He jolly well should be cut down in flames, He'd
probably be speechless! Then He'd know that true speech is silence--
Furthermore, His remains should be hurled into the void. But 'His sort'
He'd be back, re-inventing himself, muttering about 'The silence within
silence, of which, the reflected echoe is manifestation' or some sort of
tosh. I shall be writing letters to someone! Anyone heard of Mexican
ladies and
chilled champagne? Yours, Indignant, yet not knowing why, E. Goatist.
[Infoburst: Look, OutrangedOfKensington, StephenW said if you wanted a
cogent reply from him you had to ask NICELY. Then again, I have yet to
be convinced that Niceness is not the refuge of scoundrels. Come ON
StephenW are you up to the challenge? BB Denise W ]
Topic RE: Conciet. posted by StephenW User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 02:57 PM
edited on September 19, 2008 at 03:52 PM
You don't know anything about me so you are not entitled to make such
relativistic judgements. The resource I provided a link to already
embodies it's own explanation, and it is up to any potential readers to
discover the connecting links and ramifications for themselves; I was
merely pointing them in the right direction. As far as my own
"explanation" goes... I would have been only too happy to answer
questions from individual members if I had been politely asked, even as
far as to give my own complete 'take' on this. But, however, I do not
take very kindly to anyone making such aggressive insults against me and
moreover, given your attitude, I fear I would be providing you with
even more bones of contention to pick on me with, so I must therefore
desist from doing so.
I am only being on the defensive, but I deplore the fact that the
moderators are even allowing such personal attacks to go uncensored and
so I will from now on be posting only in forums where the contributors
will be treated with courtesy and respect. Therefore, any more alerts,
or invitations for me to post here that arrive in my email will be
marked as spam and will be deleted without even being read.
[Infoburst: Good heavens StephenW, I am still trying to fathom your
outburst here. You are willing to cut your nose off to spite your face
by punishing the S.A. for something Babalonuit888 has said. You seem a
very sensitive sort of initiate to me - most of the adepts I know would
have cut Babalonuit888 down in flames and vive le sport but here we find
you buckling at the first challenge. If you want to spend your time
prattling on forums which observe artificial pleasantries to preserve
the egos of those who populate them that is your choice but you surely
don't expect me to censor any contributors because they may have hurt
your feelings? Personally I think you've just had your first lesson in
real esotericism. What say you? BB Denise W.
Topic Conciet. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Do you consider yourselves some form of eletiste? Good for you.
Most of us contribute to aid other forum members.
Most of us work for a living, have numerous duties, yet make
time to explain our research/findings to others.
This is aid. Are you able to explain this abstruse metaphisical finding to us? No?
Enjoy your arrogant smug impotence, or prove your worth by explaining your findings to us mere mortals, in terms we can digest.
Thankyou.
Topic RE: ancient geometry discovery posted by StephenW User
posted on September 15, 2008 at 02:38 PM
http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/deemonad.pdf
In this document, see chapter titled "Our Canon of Transposition
(Metathesis)" to gain some deeper metaphysical insight on this abstruse subject.
Topic RE: ancient geometry discovery posted by StephenW User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 10:51 PM
http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eserv/UQ:13443/n04_139_Proudfoot.pdf
Topic ancient geometry discovery posted by egohunter User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 08:14 PM
Hi all; I would like to share this discovery with you all. I look
forward to any feedback.:)x http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_sage1.htm
......... http://thecompletefloweroflife.blogspot.com/
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Topic Baby-bathwater. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 09:22 PM
Hello Denise. Sorry. I've been told in the past that my true thinking is
incomprehensible. I thought I'd improved my communication skills.
Apparently not. I may have created confusion.
Sincere apologies. Seems it's my cue to leave.
Best Wishes to All.
Topic Golden Dawn posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 03:24 PM
I see. I knew Mathers was in 'political' strife, losing His position. I
know not of the Westcott rift, obviously Fr. M. will be correct.
'History is written by the Victors.' I read Crowley's account of that time!
Yes, Israel Regardie, I understand your words. Thankyou.
Topic RE: The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:54 AM
Tidying up.
Greetings yet again Denise. I'm tidying up here, as my superiors require
me to perform some work. Fr. M. is, to my mind, correct. I was guided
to a police meeting in 1980, where they numbered me after my Guru's
number. 'For two things are done, and the third,' begins= 3x8. Good luck
everyone.
Topic RE: The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:53 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 09:19 AM
RE: Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
Hello again Denise. I see, I'm not a Judge of the rights or wrongs of
it, just a pawn, however, history as recorded says; Crowley had a
ferocious battle with Mathers, The Golden Dawn collapsed, and crowley,
with another Adept found themselves in control of a defunct order. (The
rift was that Mathers claimed to have made contact with the secret
chiefs, pretty unlikely, as Mathers, billiant as He was, didn't cross
The Abyss. A fraudulant claim of that magnitude would inevitably have
dire repercussions, the order fragmented before the final showdown.) So
the first order is called G.D. as a convenience, not as the original,
now reinstated Golden Dawn system. As theyre a 5-10 min drive behind me,
I'm well aware of their H.Q. The O.T.O. will have to address this
issue. Well pointed out. Thankyou again Denise, Best Wishes.
[Infoburst: Hi Draconuit. According to Marabas the split in the G.D. had
nothing to do with Crowley but was due to a political rift between
Westcott and Mathers during which Crowley, in his inimitable style,
sensed an opportunity and tried to precipitate a schism which was in the
offing anyway. Outlying G.D. temples proceded autonomously much as
before but eventually atrophied and when Crowley failed in his bid he
moved on to develop his own system. Since the second world war there has
been no authenticated
G.D. antecedent temple. It was precisely this vacuum which enabled,
following the publication of Regardie's book containing most of the G.D.
System (titled The Golden Dawn) devotees (and upstarts!) to recreate
G.D. temples for better or worse. And M knows that of which he speaks.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:52 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 09:11 AM
RE: Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
Only just found your post. Point taken. The Golden Dawn ressurected in
kentucky (I think) under odd circumstances. However, we're stuck with a
system that refers to the first order as G.D. I shall clarify this. I
have to be very careful with the inner orders explanation also, but
that's what I am, having read about pigeon sacrifice(???) I feel obliged
to give a very brief outline of what we are. I'll amend G.D. to O.T.O.
It might be wisest to simply state that the two higher orders are
invisible. Thanks for everything.(Putting up with my nature included!)
[Infoburst: Hi Draconuit, It is my job to clarify statements on this
forum which may mislead newcomers. Occultists tend to write/talk in a
unique way combining hypotheses, opinion and fact which is a form of
personal dialectic well understood by other practising occultists who
can usually distinguish between what is said and what is meant. However
beginners often take absolutely everything at face value as a bald
statement of incontrovertible truth. I am here to remind everyone (if
any reminder was needed) that the good stuff is nearly always imbeded in
a proportion of claptrap but whatever the precentage of claptrap it
does not denigrate the good stuff. We are not here to chuck the baby out
with the bathwater! ;-) If I may adopt a maternal stance, your
contributions are very much of this ilk. Anyone can set up a group and
call it by the name Golden Dawn. There are dozens of them that we know
of. Providing these groups use the methods and training systems of the
G.D. properly then they are very valuable but the moment any of them
claim antecedency to Wynn Westcott's G.D. warning bells must ring very
loudly and it is the job of genuine esotericists to resist the flights
of fancy of many group leaders whose pronouncements may confuse and
mislead other genuine seekers. BB. Denise W. ]
Topic The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:50 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
(Edited on Jun-17-2008 08:55 AM by moderator)
Greetings Denise, I find your forum very good, eclectic and liberal. I
noticed much muddle on The Crowley Thread, and have written a v. brief
explanation of The Golden Dawn, The outermost Thelemic order. I am
competent to outline the further stages- and final order, carefully
disclosing, veiled truths,which some seekers may wish to study further,
in book form. Any thoughts, Denise? Good idea? Bad idea? I shall, of
course, do as you decide. Light, Life, Love and Liberty.
[infoburst: Hi Draconuit, you must be careful with absolute statements
which may mislead. Anyone following the G.D. system will find your claim
that it is a 'thelemic' order paradoxical. Similarly, though Crowley
was trained initially in the G.D. system and was therefore influenced by
it, in essence the G.D. was/is ante-New Aeon and there is no genuine
thelemic order that we know of that claims the G.D. order itself as a
part of the thelemic system. BB Denise W.]
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Topic Protecting our Identity fom learning. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 12, 2008 at 05:14 AM
I agree that the style of this forum is very frank, being very frank
with myself, this works. I personaly prefer the profesional aproach that
cuts out the waffle. Isnt the point to observe ourselves and learn not
to take things personaly? A Lion of a Man once said to me "If I have
sympathy for you, I have to have sympathy for me. Then Brother, we are
both screwed"
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Mousse Anon... posted by nome. User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 08:58 AM
Greetings,
Yes, I do understand your point, I've blundered into that before, the whole issue debated.
I rely on Denise to blank me, or did, when I went too far, until
recently, when a sudden-ish illumination occured, transforming me again,
slightly.
I'm waiting to see if she considers my latest waffle too heavy, or intrigueing yet not scary.
If you glance around the occult web, you'll see we're having a bit of a
problem at the moment, power struggles and extreme moves are, to my
mind, detracting attention from the very real threat of our liberty
being restricted. I'm staying away from the whole mess, this forum being
a stable structure.
Oh yes, my latest effort has a valid point, amongst the waffle, which
I'm eager to get to; I used you as an E.G figuring you to be intelligent
enough to handle it. I need to get off the Earth plane, in the thread,
quickly. I need advisors, as I'm either incomprehensible or unpleasant,
frankly, though I think that's past. Well, when Denise has edited, I'll
see what to do next. Very Best Wishes, nome.
Topic Mousse Anon... posted by JASandansky User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 02:46 AM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Good heavens, nome, I never meant to suggest that Denise was talking
nonsense; nor did I think she was banning anonymous posting. I also
don't doubt the good intentions of most posters, sympathetic or
otherwise. I merely suggested that a few individuals might be posting
anonymously because they may have felt personally attacked previously,
or because honest criticism may have come across as flaming or
mudslinging. I'm sure that forum "regulars" don't wish to scare
newcomers away; but I'm concerned that it may have happened
unintentionally when constructive criticism was interpreted as
hostility.
Also, I never eat jam sandwiches without slathering them with peanut butter first...
Jovana
[Infoburst: Yes, that is a risk Jovana - some newcomes who are not up to
speed may indeed misread the Geburic method which most initiates use as
too strong a meat but we can't make all progress comfortable for them
otherwise inner transformation would not occur. If they are sincere
seekers they will work through it. Of course if they are reading this
they will now know it is done in their best interests and so the
positive dialectic of the SAEF has worked yet again! (Note for newbies -
Geburah is a sphere on the Qabbalistic tree of life which concerns
itself with energies translated as 'Mercy with Severity'. In common
parlance this is exemplified in the way that a mother may instinctively
smack her toddler after rushing to pull her back from a busy road. One
could make a case for trying to reason with the child but one smack
saves a thousand words and, some would say, carries more love with it.
BB Denis W. ]
Topic nonny mouses. posted by nome. User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Dear Jam sandwich. Do you imagine Denise is talking non-sense?
Every experienced Occultist will recognise Her gentle words as an essential truth. Meditate.
Topic RE: A Plea To All Anony Mouses posted by JASandansky User
posted on August 08, 2008 at 02:54 AM
edited on August 08, 2008 at 08:24 AM
Well, some here might see anonymity as a form of self-protection. From
my observations at a distance, some posters have been overly critical or
condescending toward others who merely asked simple questions;
likewise, some of the feedback has been a bit harsh and sharpish, more
than necessary (perhaps from an excess of everyday stress?). Some people
might feel nervous and hesitant about posting at all after a while,
after having their heads bitten off a bit too often; and customer
goodwill toward the S.A. might suffer as well eventually. None of us
will ever stop learning (even the good people at the S.A.), even when
this life is over; hence, perhaps we should treat each other with more
kindness and empathy, to the benefit and increased evolution of all.
Just my own observations, of course.
Good cheer to all,
Jovana A. Sandansky
[Infoburst: We are listening to what you are saying JASandansky but
here's how this forum works: Sympathy is cheap and can be very
destructive - we use it sparingly. If you want sympathy the net is full
of bleeding hearts who delight in making each other feel good about
themselves but don't change a thing. Here you get hard truths succinctly
and it saves a lot of time for everyone. If someone is being stupid we
say so - like you misreading my message and thinking that I was banning
the use of anonymous posting.
Using a pseudonym still makes the user anonymous! Making up a unique
pseudonym for yourself helps others on the forum link with your comments
and character. So if someone has it wrong we say so. Hopefully this
will concentrate their thoughts and increase the quality of debate. What
more could any seeker into the mysteries want? When I was floundering
about all those years ago as a newcomer I would have given my right arm
for a reliable source of initiated information which called a spade a
spade - whether it was delivered 'politely' or not. What say you? BB
Denise W.]
Topic nonny mouses. posted by nome User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Excellent concept!- draconuit, was an irritating git, at times.
There was still division.
Yet, in but one nights Astral and one days physical thought;
His nature did transform.
He now makes occasional entries as 'nome'.(Explained that you may track 'me'.) Long may you flourish!
Topic A Plea To All Anony Mouses posted by Denise W User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 01:19 PM
Can all contributors think up a pseudonym for themselves to use on the
forum and make sure that they use it in the Name/Alias box when typing a
message? Pseudonyms help others reply to your requests and assists in
developing threads in a more understandable form. It also enables people
who find what you have to say interesting check your earlier comments
in the threads. We are getting far too many Anonymous entries at the
moment - mostly generated by contributors forgetting to put their
pseudonym in the Name/Alias box (it defaults to anonymous if you leave
it empty). Let's have some netiquette please! ;-) BB Denise W.
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Topic RE: Spaceman. posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 09, 2008 at 02:30 AM
The Book of Dzyan may be purchased from The S.A. as 'The secret
Doctrine'; by Mme Blavatsky. I'm not an emloyed advertiser for S.A.
I'm simply trying to be helpful, and have bought my best books from S.A.
I believe they are the best Occult supply store in existance.
Pleasantries to All at S.A. and members.
Topic Spaceman. posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 04:19 AM
Oh Yes! I like to travel through space, when I take time off.
The obvious is written in Thelemite Holy Books.
There is something not written. Study, if you will, the book of
Dzyan. I can say no more. For thousands of years(?) no-one has
openly discussed, that which only Adeptii know. There must be
a reason, I'm not prepared to upset the cosmic balance.
Keep on seeking! Wait 'til you cross the abyss, if you havn't
yet, and see the Cosmic Joke!!!
Topic Astral Projection - Historical research and
Planetary exploration posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Does anyone who can Astral project well/easily have any discovered
information on little known/unkown episodes of human history?
or any unusual finds whilst exploring space in astral form?
Surely some people can do it and have done it, I`d love to hear from you.If not maybe we should form a group.
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Topic RE: Automatic writing via computer posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Hi Karen, Traditionally during a sitting the medium would use a wooden
planchette device which had a pen affixed which rested on the paper. The
discarnate entity moved the medium's hands to write, draw, sketch etc.
Some startlingly impressive creations have resulted, including Mozart
symphonies from the grave from mediums who were tone deaf! The S.A. sell
Automatic Writing Planchettes which are very popular (go
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/autowriter.htm
for details ).
Spirits seem to find modern technology, very sensitive as they are able
to more easily affect changes at a molecular level. This is often why
ghosts are inadvertently photographed or heard thru White Noise.
Marabas remembers people from the past making contact with him by
affecting the electrostatic charge on a photocopier. The print which
should have been of a book cover came out as a kind of photograph of
three victorian ladies sat around a table in what looked like a seance!
At the S.A. we regularly find our computers doing things that they would
not normally be expected to do - but we have not had any 'messages'. We
have even had telephones dialing for themselves (that is, customers
picking up their phone which was ringing out, whilst we were doing the
same at this end! ) However we have not so far experienced computers
writing 'automatically'. Some websites offer free ouijaboard programs
but this is simply technological trickery because although a random
number generator APPEARS to be random, in actual fact it can never be so
as it is based on a seed number and therefore is always predictable.
The whole purpose of using a planchette and ouija-board is to focus the
psychic energy of the operator and this of course is somewhat
disconnected when using a distant computer.
BB Denise W. [Infoburst: S.A. Ouija-Board and Invocator Dial is
available from stock - go www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm
for a pageful of interesting background]
Topic RE: Automatic writing via computer posted by John User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 02:06 PM
Hi Karen,
Personally I wouldn't say it's impossible
but I always tend to stay completely non
electrical in any occult working if possible
as I've heard that electrical fields are more
of a hindrance. I will even turn the power
off at the mains during ritual or serious
divinations !
John.
Topic Automatic writing via computer posted by Karen User
posted on April 28, 2008 at 08:58 AM
Just curious--is it true that automatic writing can be done on
computers? Has anyone here tried this before; and if so, how well did it
work?
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Topic How to suck an egg. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 26, 2008 at 05:02 PM
(1) Know thine enemy:-) Look at the 'dirty birds' around, those who
would use and abuse you, usually for money. They seem to believe the
shadow scheme is 'real'. They can only see material stuff, and want
more; can't blame them, the fact that they exist proves their validity.
(2) Fortify yourself; For an extra $40, you can get a really good
security system for your p.c. inc. a double firewall, every body gets
tracking cookies, an advanced: double firewall traps it, rendering it
impotent; unable to report to its master. Unless you load it, then let
down the outgoing firewall down for a millisecond. Or simply analyse it,
then destroy.
(3) Plan your long-term strategy.
(4) In 'my' case, let info. flow, according to one keyword.
Result:-) The Holy Temple of Babalonuit, a v. small place, is now advertised, together with one reference to The S.A. forum,
in Germany, Finland, China, U.S.A.
The Temple is now open, and will operate externally in '09, as directed in early '07.
Somebody in S.A. saw what we were doing, adding, a nice comment; Thanks, we worked hard for years, still are doing.
Now, we've closed the window. A music station, with bands like:
Christian death, v1 Subversa :The poison girls, co-creators of the
socialist movement that spawned punk.
Check out our 'webpage' Wot a carry on! :-)
BABALONUIT888
Topic BABALON The Great. posted by nome User
posted on August 23, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Greetings One and All.
It may be intersesting to note, that in Thelemite and Wiccian
religion, Babalon, a Great Goddess 4,000 yrs years old, cast into shadow
by man, is taking Her rightful place, as Woman entirely liberated.
In The Thelemic Religion, The Adept strives toward our Lady, that the
Princess be elavated to that of The Queen, The Alchemy of High Magick,
in part. Babalon exists in sphere 3,just above the Abyss, the gulf
between Man and God,dwelling in The City of Pyramids; and as the city is
by The Great Sea, which does lap upon the shores of Malkuth, The Earth
Planes, so Babalon can descend, below the Abyss, to the planes of pure
force, even unto full manifestaion.
41 years after the creation of Thelema, in 1945, several scrolls
were discovered in caves in Egypt. One of them, presumedly transcribed by an Adept, we now recognise to be the paradoxical
speech of the Goddess Babalon:- (Extract)
" For I am the first and the last,
I am the honoured and the scorned one,
I am the whore and the holy one,
i am the wife and the virgin,
i am the mother and the daughter,
i am the members of my mother,
i am the barren one,
and many are her sons,
i am she whose wedding is great,
and i have not taken a husband,
i am the bride and bridegroom,
and it is my husband who begot me,
i am the mother of my father,
and the sister of my husband,
and he is my offspring.
I am the silence of which manifestation is the echoe,
and the idea whose remembrance is frequent,
I am the utterance of my name"
Babalon.
In perilous times, when our freedom is oppressed, we have made a leap forward, which cannot be denied.
Serenity and understanding to all.
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Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Good luck
Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:02 PM
Thanks for the reply, useful info.I think these books are for me and will be putting them into practice.Cheers.
Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Hi there
Sorry for the delay in replying. When I use material from Cooper, it's usually from his "Creative Visualisation."
Usually I use his ideas in impromptu settings, or to start a project in
motion - I simply relax where I am, and do the appropriate
visualisations.
Sorry not to be more specific but there is no one way I use the
material. IF you feel drawn to the methods in "Basic Magick," give it a
go.
Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 11:45 AM
Thanks for the info Puretongue, I was just going to use a covered table
as an altar and some candles, I was going to dispense with incense as I
have some breathing difficulties.Could you please elaborate on when you
say that you don`t use any equipment, do you just meditate cross legged
on the floor , go to your inner temple and just go on from there? -
Thanks.
Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 10:37 AM
Hi there
All of the books I've read by Mr. Cooper are similar in theme. The
reason I favour "Creative Visualisation" is that it makes the link
between this process and Spare's insights into how magic works.
Sorry I've not seen "Inner Temple" yet, but I'd read it if I saw it. The
method he teaches in the others is workable, and, in my experience,
doesn't need any equipment so I've not needed a special altar to use his
ideas.
Results are good, depending on how well you can invest belief in the
world view he teaches and your ability to provide the "mental blank
period," referred to as "Gnosis" in many other magical books.
Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 04:52 AM
Thanks for the reply, Have you been getting good results with his
methods? , Did you make one of them double cube altars he keeps
mentioning? Do you have his new book? - I think it`s called Inner Temple
- If so, is there anything in it that isn`t in Basic Magick?
Cheers.
Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:23 PM
Hi there
Yes I've read it. For me, his "Creative Visualisation" was more useful
but all his books I've seen so far give a workable philosophy of magic
and guides to putting it into action.
Topic Basic Magick by phillip cooper posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 04:36 AM
Hi, has anyone else read Basic Magick: a practical guide by Phillip
Cooper? - any opinions,feedback or experiences related to the book would
be appreciiated. Thanks.
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Topic RE: Beard growth posted by Puretongue User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 08:08 AM
edited on April 14, 2008 at 02:59 PM
The first thing I'd try is leaving it longer than a week. My first beard
took a few weeks to get going. And many folk just don't get the cheek
hair others do - so don't worry about that.
Good luck.
[INFOBURST: You could try Dr John's Old Fashioned Hair Restorer and Dr
John's Old Fashioned Hair Reviver - two complimentary formulae which
Marabas has regularly made up for his tonsorially challenged clients,
when asked, for many years and which could work on your chin as
effectively as on your pate! BB Denise W.]
By the way - a lot of teenagers find beards quite amusing - so expect comments.
Topic Beard growth posted by Allan User
posted on April 11, 2008 at 05:35 AM
Strange posting I know, but
I occasionally go for a week or
so trying to allow a beard/moustache
to grow and I can only manage a small
stubble, very sparse and patchy and
I have cheeks like a Baby's bum. I'm
34 and quite masculine in all other ways
but would love a beard. Is there any magic
or herbs or anything I could use ?
Thanks, Allan.
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Topic RE: Confused posted by JG User
posted on March 17, 2009 at 03:22 PM
Hi, my suggestion would be that you contact Denise privately and I'm sure she will be able to advise you with your needs.
Topic Confused posted by jennyin User
posted on March 17, 2009 at 06:35 AM
edited on March 18, 2009 at 10:29 AM
My son and his girlfriend swindled my husband and I out of a sum of
money over £10,000. As we are pensioners it has left us struggling. We
are really struggling paying our bills etc. Can anyone suggest something
that we can do to attract our money back to us. We don't wish any harm
to them but just want the money back to give us the cushion that has
been taken away. I hope this is ok to ask if not I apologise.
[Infoburst: J.G. is correct in advising Jennyin to contact me directly on denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
for there are many traditional methods of reversing this situation but
we don't have space here to go into all the options, nor should this
kind of problem be aired on an open forum. However there is one point
you made which needs clarifying and could be useful to others and that
is the difficulty that newcomers to magic have in overcoming the
misconception indoctrinated into them that any magic which forces
another person to do something against their will is evil and will cause
karmic backflow.
Marabas corrects this in his OEXP066 which should be read by every newcomer.
In the physical plane if someone steps on your toes you have the option
of wincing and bearing the pain stoically or pushing them off. Using
magic to correct a situation is the spiritual equivalent of pushing them
off and as OEXP066 explains - will actually help both them and you so
don't be anxious that you will somehow be punished for doing the
sensible thing. BB Denise Wadsworth
Topic RE: Rose Cross Ritual posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on February 23, 2009 at 05:06 PM
Sorry New Kid i will try to be clearer next time and read your post more
carefuly. My Bad. I was suggesting a bannishig if you felt under attack
the days following the experience, which as Dennise points out is total
NAN (but is also effective). Paranioa is a controll thing (an inabilty
to let go) and in the NAN comunity superstition runs high, so any part
of the Universe that "seems" threatening is imidiatly bannished. This
isnt Magick its NAN and i apologise for waffling shite.
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Rose Cross Ritual posted by New kid on the block User
posted on February 16, 2009 at 10:31 PM
edited on February 18, 2009 at 09:32 AM
Hi. Yes it is the SA version that I have been doing but I am a little
confused as to why would I want to do a banishing ritual? Would that not
be defeating the object or is that a silly question?
[Infoburst: I think Rice'n Peas was thinking that if the experience
became too intense a banishing rite would centre you again. Actually the
Rosy Cross rite is a centralising esoteric exercise so just
re-performing it would achieve the same purpose. Your experience is not
uncommon and there are other more indicative symptoms other than the
ones you have listed, for instance giddiness at the base of the skull.
All these are signs of the beginnings of the release of the Astral Body
which is the precursor to all magic so should be celebrated as a good
thing and an indication that you will make a good magician in the long
run and would be best experimenting further, perhaps with Godform
Invocation
see Marabas's OEXP101 Working with Godforms here
Keep in mind that the Astral Body will be centred as part of the
'license to depart' at the end of any good rite but will automatically
and naturally centre itself over a short period of time anyway (if you
have problems just take a nap and you will wake up centred) so do not
become paranoid with the usual NAN about permanently dislocated Astral
Bodies and all that rubbish. What you have is the beginnings of a great
gift.
BB Denise Wadsworth ]
Topic RE: Rose Cross Ritual posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on February 16, 2009 at 07:14 PM
Hi New Kid. I take it you have been practicing from the Ross Cross OEXP,
which has been adapted and can be found in Regardie's Golden Dawn. The
Rose Cross ritual opens up your phsycic perception hence the trance
state that you are feeling. It can be a great prelude to further phsycic
experiment but if it is too intense a banishing/ring not pass will
help.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic Rose cross ritual posted by New kid on the block User
posted on February 14, 2009 at 02:50 PM
Hi all, I am still a beginner with magic and have had some strange
experiences during the simple rose cross ritual. As I am performing the
ritual I feel a bit spaced out and seem to be aware of things although I
have no control over them. My voice seems to deepen and vibrate in a
chesty/throaty kind of a way and I pronounce the words slower. I am
aware of this happening although it seems as if I am watching it from
outside of my being. If I think about this during the ritual it sort of
snaps me out of it and I come back to reality. This has happened a few
times now and I try to go with it and not think about it. Is this normal
and caused by a change in consciousness? It has never happened like
this during any spells that I have worked. I thought I had imagined it
the first time it happened.
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 12, 2008 at 06:08 PM
edited on September 16, 2008 at 03:01 PM
Hi Chris. Sorry it took so long, Im in the middle of moving house. Its
best not to think about the hows and whys of spells manifesting. Just be
ready to grab the opertunities. Trying not to think about something is a
real test in itself, when the mind decides its important it can be a
real fight to stop the thoughts.
The Opening Gateways course i recomended taught me to controll my
awarness and focus it in to the here/now, a valuable tool to stop the
whats and hows of the mind.
Good Luck
Rienpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by T User
posted on September 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM
edited on September 16, 2008 at 02:59 PM
Hi all. I have been told that I need to lay my tarot cards out with the
pictures facing upwards in view of a full moon when they become 'sticky'
so that the vibrations of the moon can cleanse them. Has anyone heard
of this or tried it and does it make a difference? I have been told that
the stickiness is due to picking up psychic dross and peoples emotions
when using them and keeping them wrapped in black silk doesn't prevent
this.
[Infoburst: Someone has been confusing you. Moonlight doesn't cleanse
but it will sensitise you and is superb for increasing the psychic
abilities of the magician or witch. To cleanse any hard-surface
equipment (i.e. altar top, candlesticks, athames, swords, etc) of
psychic vibrations you
you should use a cap-full of Chinese Wash in a pint of ordinary tap
water and wash the items down with it. Marabas teaches that the
traditional way to cleanse fabric or paper, vellum, parchment etc is to
pass them through the fumes from
Purification Incense B554N. Your advisor is perfectly right in that the
cards will take-up the vibrations of each person you read for and this
of course is absolutely necessary which is why all querents should be
asked to shuffle the tarot before a reading is done for them. However,
strictly speaking to get the best results you should also be fuming the
cards after every consultation to psychically cleanse them from the
previous reading. Wrapping an item in black silk will stop them from
attracting unwanted psychic vibrations. If the item has already been
charged ritually then the silk will also keep that charge and stop it
from dissipating (ideal for amulets, talismans and altar equipment). BB
Denise W.
N.B.
Black Silks are available from here - scroll down the page to Silk Squares/Wraps.
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Chris User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 07:56 PM
Hi again Ricenpeas, thought I would ask you another question if you
don't mind. Have you any tips on how to stay positive about your magic
after casting a spell? There are things going on that make it very
difficult to do. I would welcome advice from anyone else reading this
too. Thanks in advance!
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 11:35 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:24 AM
I find painting the symbols helps alot, i realy indulge myself in the colours. (trick i learnt from
Marabas's elemental gateway symbol cards). Then I just remeber what i
have painted. The same technique can be used to create Angels ect using
the book Angelic Images-Construction of Godforms and Astral Imagaes. The
book goes with the Complete Golden Dawn but can also be used freestyle
to suit.
Ricenpeas
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Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by windymiller User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Yeah thats right. Pictures, etc, serve to imprint on your mind what
something should basically look like and then later, when you come to
visualise it, the task will be easier. As you point out, the trick then
is to use the other senses in conjunction to make the visualisation
'come alive' so to speak. It's not impossible to learn (I assume!) but
is tricky and needs practice......unless you're marvelously gifted that
is and you can do it from day one!!
Regards
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Great stuff Windymiller. Visulising isnt alien power, only obtainable by
a chosen few, as some seem to make out. Its a natural proccess that we
all do all of the time. For example, if i were to ask you to remember
what your sofa looks like?...what colour is your sofa?...how does it
smell?....how does it feel?.. If i were to ask you to describe your sofa
in detail you would have to recall/visualise it. Hold that
recall/visualisation in your mind for as long as you can and you are
exercising your visual skills. As you nicely pointed out this can be
also be done with pictures but make sure to use all 5 senses. Feel,
smell, hear and even taste that flaming pentergram.
Nice one
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by windymiller User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 10:48 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:21 AM
Hey there. I asked exactly the same question of the SA a few days back
and Denise replied with a bit of advice...I won't copy the e-mail out
cos' it'll take too long but will just give the essentials: get yourself
OEXP037 on visualisation -it outlines steps to help yourself. Also when
visualising then try to obtain pictures of what is going to be
visualised and study them closely to become totally familiar with them.
So if you're after visualising 'flaming' Pentegrams then try and get a
hold of some pictures of them, if it's the Archangels of the four
quarters then try and get pictures of them too so as it is totally clear
in your own mind what they should look like. Hope this of some help.
Regards
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 09:17 PM
I will be into my 5th month now and I feel things are starting to
improve. My visualised pentagrams are getting pretty solid though they
still break up, bits dissapear and they change colour alot. My mind
still wanders especialy during my morning exercises but i just bring my
mind back to the pentagram (I choose a pentagram as my concentration
object). Trying to hard can be a hinderance. Try shortening the lenghth
of time you spend visualising but do it more often. Any spare moment can
be used for visualisation practice.
Learning to focus improves your willpower, intelect and the ability to
perform Magick, as well as much free entertainment. Even though it wont
feel like it sometimes every time you do it you will get better at it.
Best of Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 08:24 PM
How long did it take you if you dont mind me asking? i don't know if i try too hard but i usually end up with a headache!
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 08:13 PM
Exactly the same as me when I started. Keep it up, it takes time but the results will come.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 08:13 PM
Exactly the same as me when I started. Keep it up, it takes time but the results will come.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Chris User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 02:18 PM
Hi Ricenpeas. Thanks for the friendly advice you gave me! I thought it
would be easy as I daydream with no problem but I tried with a candle
flame but my mind wanders away from what I want to visualize. As I said
closing my eyes helps but its not ideal even then.
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 01:51 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:19 AM
Hi Chris.
Visualisation is my weak point too. Yes, closing the eyes is a great way
to learn. Some recomend turning your eyes upwards but i would recomend
going with what is comfortable to begin with. Once you get the hang of
it try it with your eyes open. Pick a spot in the air about 3/4 feet
away and visualise an object. Remember we use all 5 senses when
visualising so you will probably find you are better with some senses
than with others. Just keep chipping away at it. It takes time and
practice but its seriously worth it.
Visual Magick by Jan Fries, available from Mandrake of Oxford, and Fr. Sisto
Opening Gateways from the S.A. audio collection really helped me as did reading a bit of fiction and listening to Beethoven.
Hope That Helped
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Chris User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I am just starting to learn about magic and have a very simple question.
I find it difficult to visualize but if I close my eyes this does help a
little. Should this be done with the eyes open or closed? does it
matter?
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Topic Psi overload posted by Douglas Dumpling User
posted on August 21, 2008 at 01:40 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:33 AM
Hello
As a beginner I'm really starting to see results, which is great. But I
seem to be developing a psychic sense with which i can tune into People
around me sensing impressions about them. I've just recently realized
I'm doing this almost all the time, it's causing me too feel vulnerable
in public and starting to make me withdraw socially and become shy. My
question is how can i control this gift more effectively and not feel
swamped by others around me?
Great forum btw, very useful, It has helped me a lot.
Cheers
D.D.
[Infoburst: Welcome Douglas, Neophytes should realise that involvement
in magic is both macrocosmic and microcosmic - everything you do and
experience will be affected. It is par for the course for people
experimenting with results-magic to find psychic sensitivities growing
within them. Once your spirito-magical core has been 'activated' this is
a natural evolution and will, eventually, be seen by you as a wonderful
gift. At the moment it may perplex you but that's just because you were
not mentally prepared for it. The strangeness will disappear in time as
you come to learn to manipulate and direct the extra psychic feelings
and Marabas's advice in this respect in all cases is to begin general
magical development as integral with this are the skills and methods
required to control and direct psychic energies. You can start with
Grimoire of The Shadows by Frater Sisto - a complete audiocourse in
gaining willed control over psychic energies. http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm In short, don't worry - you've achieved the beginning of something many others are trying hard for. BB Denise W.
Topic Beginners beware of conmen (or women) posted by JJ User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:49 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:21 AM
Hi all, dare I mention the name Kevin Carylon on here Denise? Enough
said, no wish to offend the people on this site. Form your own opinion
though by going to
http://www.occultforums.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=342341#post342341
Topic Divination on spells posted by Julie G User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 02:19 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:44 AM
Hiya all, any suggestions on this
Topic please? I have been given conflicting opinions by 2 associates
with more experience than myself so don't know which is true, my
question is;
after performing a spell should you use divination to track its progress
or let it go completely? one friend says yes you should use divination
so you don't miss opportunites and he other says by using divination you
'draw it back to you' and stops the spell from developing properly. Do
any of you have a theory on the use of divination after you have cast
you spell or how long you should wait before scanning the progress? It
would be interesting to hear your views and experiences.
[Infoburst: Hi Julie - the time to resort to divination is BEFORE you
cast your spell not afterwards. Marabas teaches that success in magick
relies on knowing the where and the when to apply your magic and so all
initiates tend to use divination before any major magical working to get
a perspective on the changes their proposed rite will create. Testing a
spell with divination after it has been cast is simply an insult to the
gods, alerts them to the fact that you have little faith in yourself or
them and also may attenuate the magic because as one friend pointed out
to you , each time you do it you are indoctrinating yourself with the
reality that you do not have your wish so pushing the result you desire
further away. You would only use divination after the cast to get
perspective on why your magic has not worked. That is, realising your
magic was applied incorrectly and reverting to what Marabas recommends
at the start! Try again, persistence is the key. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Image dolls posted by Denise W User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 09:37 AM
PJ you do not seem to be reading my replies carefully enough. White
cloth will not stop the magic, only black silk. You cannot simply throw a
charged item away - you must keep it safe. That is one of the
responsibilities of magic. This forum is not the place for identifiably
specific queries on actual cases - you should email me directly and
privately at the S.A. for any follow enquiries. BB Denise W.
Topic Image dolls posted by Pj User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 05:34 PM
Thanks Denise, I had removed all the links etc and cleansed and it is
currently wrapped in white cotten but if it is of no further use can I
just throw it away? Can I use the same white cotten to wrap new dolls of
my partner and myself if I do the lovespell between us or will this
cloth be contaminated by the previous spell?
Topic RE: Image dolls posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 03:54 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM
[Infoburst: No PJ. You must not remould the doll or use any part of it
for another person after it has been consecrated. Marabas teaches that
magical force behaves somewhat like radioactivity and that although its
'half-life' may be equal to the time of its existence. I.E. If you
consecrate the doll, change your mind and then de consecrate six months
later the doll will by-and-large still work for six months after you
dismantle it and then the astral image will begin to fade from then on.
It never actually totally goes away because the astral link is
qualitative not quantitative - hence there is always an astral link to
it and if you re-use the material for someone else you can cause pecular
effects between those two people. Wrap the dismantled doll in a black
silk cloth
(see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm and scroll down
to Silk Squares ) This will stop the doll linking with the astral as
black silk is a psychic insulator. Place away somewhere safe and forget
it. Work on your existing relationship and strengthen it with various
forms of love magic so that the relationship is stronger than it was
before. Remember love is FELT, not rationalised. Don't let your guilt
get in the way. Denise W.
Topic Thanks for Paths to Magick posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 03:04 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
The best outline of Magick i have ever come across. to cover so much so
clearly AND at a relaxed pace so i could take it all in. Wow. Ive read
so much waffle in my time and also been the victim of over complicating
things myself. There is none of that here. Simple and factual. The way
it should be.
Cheers S.A. you have saved me time and money.
Ricenpeas
[INFORBURST: More background and buy-now buttons for Marabas's Paths To Magick cassette or CD is on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm]
Topic RE: Chaosphere Cassette posted by ricenpeas User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 11:21 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:18 AM
hi karen, im just getting stuck in to practicing Magick myself. My
mother is a reiki master and i am very much using chaos technique. We Do
Conflict. Frater Marabas does give full explaination of the workings of
Magick and the oexp short lessons will give what you are looking for. i
recomend starting at the beginers page. use your own judgement and best
of luck
terry
[Infoburst: Just a quick update for all - The Chaosphere Experience
audio-course is now available on a remastered improved quality CD as
well as the original audiocassette version.
Go http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm
Topic RE: Chaosphere Cassette posted by Karen User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 01:44 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM
I ought to listen/read up on the Chaosphere more when I've got some free
time. I know next to nothing about chaos magick except that sigils are
somehow involved.
Is this related to reiki practice in any way? Does S.A. have any
resources on that subject? My knowledge of that is limited as well,
though I'm aware that esoteric symbols are used there as well. I'm
interested in getting trained in that when I have the time and funds
available. I've seen a friend's dog with spinal disc herniation improve
dramatically after just one rather casual session with a reiki
practitioner; so my curiosity has been piqued...
--Karen
Hmmn, You don't want to know what Marabas thinks of Reiki Masters,
Karen. The idea of anyone becoming the 'master' of an esoteric technique
in a weekend's course is ultimate NAN and relies on the educational
indoctrination of the modern mind to rely upon specialists with degrees
and diplomas instead of their own intuition. Marabas says that the Reiki
Industry is a pestilence amongst genuine occultism. The application of
the ancient method of Taoist Heaven and Earth palm healing which Reiki
is a very pale reflection of can take a practitioner YEARS to develop
and depends not only on where the hands go but also on the power and
state of Chi in the practitioners own body. Not to mention his/her years
of esoteric knowledge and wisdom. To wrap all this up in a weekend
Reiki course is like giving a diploma for Neuro-surgery to someone who
has just finished a woodwork course It is a danger because it greatly
misleads newcomers like yourself into thinking play-acting laying on
hands is the same as actual heaven and earth palm - which it is not. As
Heaven and Earth palm does work and everyone has the capacity to do it
by degree results can be obtained but to then put these people out as
Reiki 'Masters' is just an insult to genuine initiates. BB Denise W.]
Topic Chaosphere Cassette posted by ZBeyondR User
posted on January 16, 2008 at 04:04 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:51 AM
Greetings Denise,
Thanks for having sent chaosphere quickly.
[http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm]
Reached Mauritius in 4 days and I had it on the 5th day.
Excellent lecture. Not something that bores you, interesting and always
up to the point. The only work on chaos magic that I loved.
[Infoburst: Denise Replies: Hi. 4 days from U.K. to Mauritius by
standard airmail? Now that's what I call S.A. magic. Actually we once
sent a standard airmail parcel to a client on the Eastern Seaboard of
the U.S. and it got to him in THREE days! Yes you can pay thru the nose
for courier but they often take four or five days as well so best leave
it to the gods eh?]
There's a question though. Can I use the chaosphere for another desire, whilst waiting for my first one to materialize?
[DENISE: Well there's no rule that you can't, but Marabas teaches that
it is best not to split the focus of your magic until it has hit home -
that way you get the best success. ]
No, am not greedy, just wanted to know if another desire is realisable whilst am patiently waiting for my first to realise.
I loved the way you replied to a few people on this forum. N plz dnt
reply to me in that manner, else I would leave te forum too. LOL
[DENISE: People who get it wrong or are talking NAN (New Age Nonsense)
on this forum will be told so. This isn't a personal thing - we all get
it wrong sometimes and it's important to keep the standards up. Getting
something wrong doesn't mean everything you believe becomes defunct just
the bit that was taken to task. Swallow it and learn. Everyone is
welcome under these rules and no harm done. We don't expect everyone to
know everything (not even me ;-) and beginners wouldn't get trashed for
making silly comments so please join in the fray and vive le sport BB
D]
Cya
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Topic Soulmates? posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 03:01 PM
How do you know if you've met your soulmate? Is it a blinding revelation
or just being really drawn to someone but more intense than ordinary
attraction? I've met somebody and feel a really strong connection too
them but I'm worried it's just a crush, of course i've had crushes
before but nothing like this.
Anyone had experience with this aspect of love magic? Or indeed anyone? not believe such things happen?
Topic BEGINNERS PLEASE posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 08:58 AM
We have set up this special thread solely to cater for the type of very
basic questions which beginner's want to ask but may be put off asking
by the initiated level of discussion in the other threads in . Newcomers
can join in here by asking any questions about anything to do with
occultism and posting any reservations or clarifications no matter how
simple and without fear of making embarrassing mistakes or of incurring
the wrath of initiates by inappropriately interrupting a thread on
advanced subjects. Of course 'simple' questions often create complex
answers. If an important subject ignites here then it will be
transferred to a separate thread of it's own for all to learn from.
Enjoy! Denise W.
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Topic feedback posted by client number 71577 User
posted on April 10, 2010 at 01:51 PM
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Topic RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP? posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 23, 2008 at 09:51 AM
Hi Reema, did you have any luck in finding a way to break them up? I have a similar problem!
Topic RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP? posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 05:41 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:44 AM
Is there anything that can be done to break up family members does
anyone know? The family of the person I was with has caused lots of
problems and I would like to get split them up so that they do not cause
more.
Topic RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP? posted by JK User
posted on May 29, 2008 at 05:25 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Hi Reema,
You should contact the Sorcerer's Apprentice directly. They have many
things that might help. I have tried Marabs's oils and they have worked
for me. Can I ask you are you really sure you want this man, is he right
for you or is it good that he's gone ? I was once smitten with someone
who left me and I desparately wanted her return but now I have someone worth
ten of her and I'm glad she's gone. Emotions cloud our judgement so much,
but first, relax, take your mind off it a bit and have faith that you
can succeed. You cannot think of failure even a little bit when using magic.
Also, don't worry about the logic of how oils, etc can work. They work on
the astral level. You can download the Root magic guide which explains this
method superbly.
Please check the items that I first mentioned and ask SA for advice on queriesATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk.
Best regards, JK
Topic RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP? posted by Reema User
posted on May 29, 2008 at 01:51 PM
JK, THANKS A MILLION FOR YOUR INPUT, as I am only a novice, what would
you think best for me?? Would you say the oils as I am TOTAL BEGINNER?
How can something so simple actually work??
What worked for you? Do please reply??
Topic RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP? posted by JK User
posted on May 27, 2008 at 06:14 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Hi Reema,
On the SA website you will find many items that could
help (If you're not a client of the SA you'll have to
take my word for it but Marabas' stuff works-better than
anything you'll find anywhere else). Check the SA website
for root magic oils and
BUY THE GUIDE to these oils. They
are excellent but the guide is the key to using them.
The SA also have a Talisman for Love, There is the
proven
erotic spells CD/download ( http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm ) which has spells to get your man and
keep him faithful, and also look at the
Love's desire spellkit ( http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm )
which is VERY powerful. The SA will be able to advise you better
and personally: check out the website for details.
I wish you all the best,
JK
Topic BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP? posted by Reema User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 01:07 PM
Another woman has stolen my man. She treats him like crap, yet, so far, he stays. He still likes me, but is swaying!
What can I perform magikally to get rid of the other woman & break them up? All I have is her name! PLEASE HELP!!
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Topic RE: Bible study for Pagans/Occultists/Satanists posted by Moon User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 08:34 PM
Hi,
Thanks for this information. I have attend the church of England for
many years, but study the Cabbalah as well. Jesus is so misunderstood by
his flock, but the trouble is that they do not have the EARS to
understand what he said. I believe he spoke of love for everyone, but
gave personal instruction (parables etc..) to those (then and now) who
were brave enough to apply what he was teaching. I have gotten in
trouble with other Christains for saying Jesus was of Cabbalahist Jewish
faith.
Moon
Topic Bible and Qabalah posted by John W User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 11:13 AM
S.L.MacGregor Mathers' book The Kabbalah Unveiled has some
real gems for anyone interested in an alternative view of
the Hebrew scriptures.
John.
Topic RE: Bible study for Pagans/Occultists/Satanists posted by Karen User
posted on May 28, 2008 at 03:48 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM
The Book of Revelation has an interesting history indeed. Trouble is,
generations of people have been expecting the world to end in their day;
so they go hunting for the Antichrist in every leader or institution of
questionable ethics. I still remember my college days in the early
80's, when born-again students sat around discussing how Jesus would be
coming back soon during the expected nuclear war with the Soviet "Evil
Empire." There were scores of books being published during that time
insisting that Biblical prophecy was all about the U.S. versus Russia.
Sigh...
From my reading of the New Testament, the word "Satan" means adversary
or accuser in court, and might have been a sort of legal term. A devil
figure also appears in the book of Job, which starts off with a truly
bizarre scene of God and the devil making bets on how far you can push a
guy before he loses his faith. In Genesis, however, the serpent in Eden
must, in fact, have been a Snake Goddess who, with the God figure,
represented competing/conflicting belief systems within one region or
ancient society. I've been studying this story for a long time, along
with the Cain and Abel story which parallels the Sumerian story of the
courtship of Inanna (when she is asked to choose between a farmer and a
shepherd; she prefers the shepherd/pastoralist, just as the Biblical
creator-god prefers the sacrifice of Abel the shepherd). Several years
ago, I wrote a rather rough article on this subject and posted it at my
website at http://www.angelfire.com/folk/karivox/litmarket/genesis.html , should anyone be curious...
[Infoburst: I found your article excellent. I am recommending it to
others. This also enables me to alert everyone to the possibility of
this thread being used as a double-think by fundamentalist agent
provocateurs who use gauged argument in order to weaken the resolve of
people they think need turning from their evil ways! Your article is a
good antidote to that. BB Denise]
Topic Amazing Bible links posted by JK User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 11:28 AM
The Book of Genesis is known to follow closely the Sumerian
Epic of Gilgamesh wich includes the Great Flood (which was
local, not worldwide)
There are many parallel, even exact copies of sayings of
Gautama Buddha (500BC)later attributed to Jesus.
And what of the word 'God' or 'Lord' as the English translators
have it. That's a study in itself including the plural Elohim
who created the plural Adam "And Elohim (literally) created man in His
own image, in the image of Elohim He created Him (the Adam, or
earthling, literally); male and female He created them." Genesis 1:27
But let's not forget the awful barbarity of the Bible where a
woman must marry her rapist if raped, where a father may sell his
daughter into slavery, the rape and murder comanded by God when
the Israelites stole nations in war. Some excellent resources with
stuff you won't believe,...JK
www.jesusneverexisted.com
www.evilbible.com
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm
Topic The Christian Bible. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 08:36 AM
Shaitan (Satan) is a Thelemic Deity, being The Star God of The ancient
Chaldeans, two of whom, Abram & Sara left, with followers, changing
their names to Abraham, & Sarah.The rest is history. In Biblical
terms, Shaitan,Satan, is not 'the Tempter', He is Prosecuter for The
Crown; Godhead. To concur with your observation, the Bible states that,
having a rough time keeping order, "Satan, sorely wounded, did rest apon
His spear, and many Angels, good and true, did race to His aid" (As
best I recall.) Further, was it not
Satan who bade 'Man know thyself' by giving of the tree of knowledge,
that Man might know good and evil, with the freewill to choose His path?
Thelemites, seeing satan in this light, see Him not
as enemy of Man, but friend! This is a very different concept to
The Church of Satan, they are entirely different to Thelemites. Thelema
dosn't believe in 'the devil', it being a christian concept.
666, in qaballah, means Solar, or Son of God center;Tiphareth, as a Holy
Trinity. Viewpoint. The Lord Shaitan! Holy is Thy Name!
I wonder how this thread will develop? Viewpoints.
Topic Bible study for Pagans/Occultists/Satanists posted by Gnostic Guy User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 05:38 AM
Having been raised Christian I am surprised how little I ever knew about
the Bible, also I bet most Pagans/Occultists but for the adepts do not
know how to read the Bible correctly and taking a Bible study course is
hazardous as they're invariably based on some sect or another's dogmatic
interpretation. As a Pagan, having recently read through the Bible and
dozens of books on it was a daunting task to set myself, but I'm glad I
did as I found out the following on the hot
Topics of Satan, Hell and 666, etc. If anyone is interested I can supply
passage references, etc, otherwise I hope this may be of interest to
the average Pagan/Occultist/Satanist
Satan does not exist, OK we all know that, but not only doesn't he
exist, but even the Bible read intelligently supports that Fact.
Satan means adversary and in the Bible is used as a name for persons or
angels caused by God to oppose someone. Get that. Satan does not act
except on the express orders of God. (I'm not supporting literal Bible
truth here, just reading it as it actually reads without Church
interpretation).
Satan nowhere in the Bible is a personal name for one being. It is a
Title, a description. Lucifer is not Satan, Satan is not Lucifer and
neither of them are the Devil. The verse of scripture used to support
Lucifer being a 'fallen angel' is actually a reference to a person, the
King of Tyre who is likened to the Morning star (Venus/Lucifer). Jesus
Christ is also called the Bright Morning Star (Lucifer).
Jews do not believe in a personal Devil. They know their own scriptures better, the Devil is the invention of the Church.
The Beast 666 refers to the Roman Empire at the time of St John's
imprisonment, and to the Emperor Nero. It is the number of a man. Some
ancient scriptures actually calculate it as 616.
uch use of numbers & symbols was essential to early Christians not
to be caught down-talking the authorities. The belief in a coming
antichrist Satanic world government is a very modern one among
Christians. Until quite recently the trend was to read the book of
Revelation as a record of things that were in the past, written in
symbols. Martin Luther actually wanted the entire book
of Revelation left out of the protestant canon as he doubted its
validity. Later protestants ascribed 666 to the dynasty of Popes. Only
recently has it passed to Satan himself.
Hell is another place the Bible doesn't mention. The word Hell when you
see it in the Bible is translated either from the word Gehenna (fire for
burning rubbish) or Hades (state of the dead). Gehenna was a rubbish
heap outside the City walls, symbolizing separation from the City or
separation of the dead
from God. Eternal burning torment is not a scriptural idea but an
invention of the Church. early Christians believed that after death they
would sleep until the resurrection as with non Christians also. They
did NOT believe they would fly off to heaven. They believed in an
eventual renewed Earthly paradise
in a new body.
Gnostic Guy.
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Topic blood for subject link posted by kimball User
posted on April 27, 2010 at 12:54 PM
edited on April 29, 2010 at 09:10 AM
I was wondering if arfter pricking the finger to get blood say into a
magial oil bottle. it is o.k to damp a tissue on to the blood and then
put that (the tissue) into the bottle since i'm having a trouble getting
the droplit's into the bottle. my blood does not seem to flow to well.
thank's
[INFOBURST: Hi Kimball, Marabas teaches that only a pin-prick of blood
is necessary because the requirement is in the 'genetic signature' That
is, quality not quantity. This drop of blood can be squeezed into
magical preparations or smeared onto talismans etc. Marabas says that
traditionally different fingers are used for different types of magic
based on their planetary associations.
Yes it is perfectly permissible to moisten a small piece of 'virgin'
(clean, new, previously untouched by anyone else)tissue with a drop of
blood and then put that into the bottle. If one chooses to do this
hygiene is important. A sterilised needle should be used (hold the
needle with pliers and pass through a flame for a few seconds - then
wash clean). The finger should be washed before pricking and swabbed
with antiseptic afterwards. Naturally we don't recommend this procedure
with haemophiliacs! Although one's own blood is the most powerful
subject link one can also use spittle to good effect.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic broken mirriors and bad luck posted by kimball User
posted on December 09, 2009 at 04:38 PM
edited on December 15, 2009 at 09:49 AM
Does anyone know how to reverse the bad luck cause by braking a mirror.
Or is it just non-magic superstitution which i should not worry about
[INFOBURST: Hi Kimball, The anxiety is caused by the idea that whatever
image is reflected in the mirror when it breaks then some disaster is
being foretold because nothing happens by chance. It is basic
sympathetic magic. If you stick a pin in an image of a person then that
person will feel pain. If the last image in the mirror before it breaks
is your car then your car will break down or you may have an accident.
If the last image is a person then that person will, by tradition, be
subjected to ill-health, accident or other negative experiences or
ill-luck is likely to befall them. The prudent magician will see a
mirror breaking as a warning and use a protection oil, something like
Circle of Protection Oil B120 daily until the next moon has passed, just to make sure.
Although very much taken for granted Mirrors are a very powerful magical
aid and you can read just one astonishing way this can be done in
Marabas's
OEXP008 Inner Discovery Looking Glass Meditation but be careful how you use this magical technique because it is VERY powerful.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic Still Missing the point. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 02:18 PM
My apologies for Pastanbeans but he does have a good point. As Dennise
pointed out M asks the question "would you have someone else make love
to someone in your place?" PastanBeans has obviously pushed himself
beyond his disability and is reaping the rewards. For me Magick is about
learning to be ABLE and not relying on others. It is little old Me that
does the Magick, Marabas just points me in the right direction. He
empowers me to DO MAGICK FOR MYSELF, anything else and I would be off
like a shot. In my not so humble opinion I would advise you to stop
grasping at straws and take controll of YOUR destiny. Check out and DO
some of his spells. This may seem harsh but its as helpful as I can be.
Good Luck
RicenpeaS
Topic RE: Missing the Point posted by ok.........name me one, just one witch User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 03:51 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:40 PM
who you would trust to do a magical working for you????
And did their working produce any results?? I am learning disabled and need someone to do a working for me.
Thanks.
[Infoburst: You don't sound very learning disabled to me - here you are
on a computer, communicating very effectively with all of us. Why can't
you do that with the gods for yourself? BB Denise W]
Topic Missing the Point posted by RICENPEAS User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 07:21 PM
The thing I hate about discusions on the internet is you cant bring your
hand to your mouth and cough the word "tosser". Of coarse others can do
for spells for others, and yes some are quite good at it, but thats not
what people who shop at the S.A. are about. We like to do Magick for
ourselves so we dont have to rely on others which makes us vunerable. By
purchesing a spellkit we get to see and learn how easy it is to take
controll of our own lives and this encourages us to do more. Ive spent a
shed load of money at the S.A. and i am making sure I get my moneys
worth, and that is what defines me from the gullable.
I am the Magickian who makes the grass greener, and so are you.
RICENPEAS
Topic so you are saying..........these webwitches posted by Henry User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 03:55 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:35 PM
are just full of bull? and there is no way a spell can be worked on behalf of someone else?
What about "Rose Ariadne" who is selling a course on witchcraft via the Internet........is this just another scam?
[Infoburst: No we are not saying that they are scammers and we don't
know anything about Ariadne (apart from the fact that she was originally
a minor rural goddess of the vine) - we are pointing out that if your
desire is true then you will naturally want to link your destiny with
your love and nobody else could possibly match the emotional level of
your spiritual and physical connection; least of all some complete
stranger who is misguided enough to think that they could do better.
Marabas teaches that all magic is driven by emotion and anyone who has
ever worked a REAL spell knows the operator can be utterly exhausted by
the effects. This is not the kind of self-sacrifice people on the net
will achieve on a repeat basis because it actually affects the
spellcasters' destiny as well. As Marabas has said many times magick
works on the operator equally to the target - hence if you do NOT do it
yourself the person getting closer to your love is the witch offering to
do it for you! This can greatly complicate the relationship and
actually work against the twinning of both lovers' destinies. There will
always be misguided fools who think they can 'help' others with magic
in the same way that there will always be idiots who think that giving
to charity actually helps starving kids in the third world and this is a
measure of their immaturity. But if you don't believe Marabas you are
at liberty to pay the spell-workers and find out the hard way.
Otherwise try his p100 Lovespell Kit and do it yourself. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Can a witch cast spells for someone else? posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 02:29 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 02:31 PM
Hi, What we have here is an example of lack of self-worth due to Alice
having been de-empowered by Xist indoctrination to think that she can't
proactively do anything for herself but must trust in 'experts' to do it
for her. This idea is amply perpetuated on the net where every conman
and his brother consistently insists that one has to be 'gifted' or
'powerful' in order to work magic. This is not Alice's fault and,
indeed, learning the hard way with charlatans is one of the ways that
the gods empower people to take up their own destiny. Marabas has quick
way of bringing people like Alice round to the right way of thinking. He
asks 'Would you ask another person make love to your heart's desire in
your place? Then why ask them to do your love magic for you? Makes you
fink donnit? If Alice wants a detailed reason why
magick-worked-for-others can't work in this way she should invest a
fiver in reading
Marabas's OEXP066 on Karma and It's consequences
(http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm ) It could save her a
great deal of heartache and cash in the long run.
Better Still, why doesn't she just buy the best spellkit in the world here and just DO IT!;-) BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Can a witch cast spells for someone else? posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 06:38 PM
Hi Alice, don't touch them with a bargepole.....I've been a victim of
these type of offers before I 'found' the SA.....it cost me more than
just money. Stick with the SA, they are the only genuine people I have
found.
Topic RE: Can a witch cast spells for someone else? posted by John User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Hi Alice,
I just replied to your other message on spells (on what is N.A.N.
thread). The book I recommended by Marabas 'Candle-magick spellbook'
addresses this issue of others doing magic for you. I would certain
-ly avoid people advertising this as a first option. You could
check out the SA website area on consultations with Marabas if you
have problems doing your own work or need personal advice.
This person on the internet is willing to join his karma willy nilly
with others which wouldn't be a good idea. Does he offer an unconditional money back guarantee if the magic doesn't work ? If
not, could you be sure he'd even do some half-hearted ritual for you ?
Best regards, John.
Topic Can a witch cast spells for someone else? posted by Alice User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 11:58 AM
.......and if so, do these work? or does an individual have to carry out
their own spellwork? "Malewitch.com" is offering very powerful spells
which he says will do the trick?? Suggestions anyone?
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Topic RE: Abramelin Magical squares posted by Puretongue User
posted on May 27, 2009 at 01:49 PM
Hi William
I've recently read "21st Century Mage" by Jason Newcombe which brings
the Abramelin Process up to date. Worth a look if you're considering
taking it further.
Topic RE: Abramelin Magical squares posted by William User
posted on May 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Many thanks to Puretongue, Denise and Imperial Wizard
for your replies here. Abramelin is a book I've had
on the shelves a long time but never really thought
I'd ever have much use for until recently I used a
Goetia talisman successfully and I began to wonder
about the magical squares. Loads of thoughts in my
mind about the intelligences connected to talismans
also especially Goetia and whether they may be collective
servitors created, and fed off the collective use and
belief of magicians over the centuries kind of like
Chaos magic servitors, or have you ever wondered if
it is the god/spirit/servitor who causes the chaoist
to 'create/evoke' it? Thanks again,
William.
Topic RE: Abramelin Magical squares posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on May 25, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Its kinda funny you should be asking this because its something I've
toyed with doing myself and have recently come across a new more
comprehensive version of the book by Abraham von Worms,this alleges to
fill in alot of the gaps left by Mathers so is really worth having if
you're gonna have a dabble with the Abramelin squares and I do believe
one of the S.A Spellkits features one of those squares so maybe you
don't need to purify or contact your HGA afterall.
Topic RE: Abramelin Magical squares posted by Puretongue User
posted on May 25, 2009 at 11:13 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Hi There was an article in the Sorcerer's Apprentice house magazine "The Lamp of Thoth" some years ago on this theme.
The item was by JH Brennan and suggested you could write the squares to good effect without the purification.
However, in a recent book ("The Wizard's Apprentice" I believe), Brennan
describes some of the problems that later occurred for someone who had
done this. It is not clear whether this subject is the same person or
not.
I would recommend reading both if can.
[Infoburst: This is an intriguing point Puretongue and it comes up time
after time in theurgy. Marabas teaches that the traditional approach is
that the magician has to put his/her house in order; to simplify and
purify his/her ring-pass-not before invoking the magical squares
otherwise it will not be strong enough to cope with the energies which
result and may 'spill-over' to cause abberations elsewhere in the
magician's life. The modern approach is that providing one is mentally
and psychologically prepared (i.e. trained properly in control of
elemental powers etc - see the S.A.'s
Grimoire of The Shadows CD and our
Elemental Symbol Cards for this)
one can identify any overspill and contain it before it causes any
unwanted effects - which is the same thing really as both approaches
meet somewhere in the middle (who amongst us is absolutely pure?). In
any event most of the overspill effects reported seem fairly inoccuous
and could be looked upon as an indication that the square is working
rather than a warning not to proceed. Perhaps forum uses should embark
on a collective experiment with one of the Abra Melin acrostics?
Know, Dare, Will and keep silent!
BB Denise W.
Topic Abramelin Magical squares posted by William User
posted on May 22, 2009 at 09:32 PM
I am interested to know whether the magical squares in the Book of
the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage can be constructed as Talismans
without one entering into the Abramelin system of purification and
ritual, in other words, can the squares be copied on parchment, and
consecrated for general use as a system of their own ? Has anyone
tried using them ? How well did they work ?
Regards,
William
Topic RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 12:51 AM
SMCC, Magick works best for the operator because it works through the
operator. This does not mean that i cant change your destiny by doing
magic for you (ie. selling you a talisman that we have chraged for you)
but it would link my destany with yours and as i dont know you that aint
never gonna happen. This is an honest answer... which is more than you
are getting from these money grabbing twats that claim to be Adept and
advertise there nonesense to the vunerable folk like yourselves.
Choose Wisely
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 12:35 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Witches of old had to be Cunning and the problems still remain, and so
too do we have to use our creativity so we can pass ourselves off as
"towing the line". The Candle Magick Spell kit
More Details here
comes with Chinese Wash to purify the area and tools so that any space,
or what appears to be every day items, can be used for Ritual. The
Chinese Wash and Candle Annointing Oil themselves can be easily
disguised with a quick label change. The candles are just candles until
charged and in most cases can be left to burn away leaving no trace. Our
only limitation is our imagination!!!
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ? posted by SMCC User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 08:55 AM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Hello,
I have a question about talismans and amulets, can they be recharged with orgone beamers like some websites claim?
Also what do you think of the talismans other websites sell that claim
they don't need to be activated by the wearer or recharged, can they
work that way?
[Infoburst: I think they are revealing their lack of knowledge and
understanding. We have many times said that 95 of what passes for
occultism on the web is simply well-meaning ignorance or people who will
tell you anything you want to hear to make buying from them easy.
Marabas teaches that the charging of a talisman is absolutely necessary
because it acts as an astral lens to focus the vibrations required into
the ring-pass-not of the magician, therefore the person wanting to use
the talisman MUST charge it in order to focus it. If a Talisman requires
charging then that charge will by qualification diminish over time so
it will require re-charging occasionally. Perhaps these people whom you
quote are confusing an Amulet (a magical device which by virtue of its
natural shape or quality emits particular magical vibrations and
propagates them in the immediate vicinity) with Talismans; which are
structured entirely by the magician for a specific purpose. Amulets are
essentially naturally created Symbols whereas a Talisman is a
representation of the universe as the magician wants it to occur. One is
the universe imposing itself on the magician, the other is the magician
imposing him/herself on the universe. Listen to dimwits and you become a
diwmit - that's what Marabas says. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ? posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 11:55 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Talismans still require a wee bit of ritual, whether making your own or
activating one that's been made for you, although in the latter case it's
quite simple needing maybe a candle and the right moon-phase and consecrating
oil.(see the SA's talisman selection as a good starter). Candle-magick
(actually FIRE magick) needs a full set-up so you'd need privacy, but as M
suggests in his Candle-magick spellbook (chuck all yer new age spellbooks
in the bin and get a copy of this !)
Click Here for More info
you could check into a hotel or use
someone else's place for the duration...
Topic Candle-magic or Talismans best ? posted by RW User
posted on May 05, 2008 at 06:58 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 01:08 PM
I am fairly new to practical magic and have to be a bit
discreet, and at present couldn't have a lot of paraphernalia
around the house so I was wondering if Talismanic magic where
I could easily conceal a talisman would be as effective
as Candle-Magic (As this is the SA's forum, speaking in terms
of their offered items, would an SA talisman for wealth be
as efficient as a spellkit for wealth or using the said spell
from Candle Magick spellbook ?)...RW
[Infoburst: You are creating false choices here. It's like asking
whether Red is better than Green. Nothing is generally better than
everything else in genuine occult technique. The reason why there are so
many magical methods and techniques is that humans are individuals and
their lives are unique - hence a one-size-fits-all mentality will not
work. A rite or spell which has been successful for others is a good
indication that it will work also for you but if your situation is
particularly complex or long-standing then a better result may be had
using an ancillary method. What is important is that you take up your
destiny and begin to use magic whichever method you start with, because
even if it doesn't produce a complete solution you will still have taken
the first step on the ladder to success and can eliminate that to move
on to additional techniques which will give you what you need. So, it's
horses for courses and without knowing your exact situation it is
difficult to advise. That is why the S.A. has a free advice line. Email
me in confidence and we will advise you wnat to do. BB Denise Wadsworth
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Topic RE: Can I Send You Cash For An Order? posted by Denise W User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:03 PM
Hi Beep, One or two other clients have pointed this out to us before.
Apparently the 'cybersitter' programs used by libraries may bar you from
logging on to the S.A. site because it has 'occult' content. This of
course is to 'protect' any under-age kids who use their computers. (so
much for lack of censorship in the web!) If you have a word with your
librarian they will usually re-designate our url so that adults can surf
our site. As we don't sell things to under 18s the librarian shouldn't
have a problem with releasing our site. Let me know if it works.
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Can I Send You Cash For An Order? posted by Beep User
posted on April 04, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Well Denise, that's fine for Barry Old Client but my problem is that I
haven't got a bloody telephone! I use Internet Cafes whenever I need
anything so that dodge about printing out the order form and posting in
the order will be very useful to me.
Now here's a thing - I did once use a computer at my local library and I
couldn't locate the S.A. on it. I thought I had written the website
address down wrongly but it checked out okay when I got back home. Why
was that? BEEP
Topic RE: Can I Send You Cash For An Order? posted by Denise W User
posted on April 02, 2008 at 08:08 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:35 AM
That's a good way, RicenPeas. Here's another. UK residents have
traditionally just sent cash and Old Client can take heart, there really
is no difference from the Old Days - we still have thousands of clients
who actually prefer to pick up a pen, write out their order and send it
in by post. Mail-order is still the bulk of our business and our
website is an extension of that. True, we've been going so long that
some of our established clients are too long in the tooth to bother with
computers ;-) but even the silver surfers and the computer Nerds
amongst our clientelle often choose to order by mail because they don't
trust the net or want to keep their transactions off their credit card
statement and away from prying eyes. People can still use POs or Cash
just like in the old days. It takes a couple of days longer for your
order to get to us in the post compared withthe instantaneous nature of
ordering on-line but despatch is by return so we are often still quicker
than some on-line outfits. Go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/cashcond.htm for details of how to do it. Go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/orderfor.htm for an order form you
can print out which leads you through the process. Basically all you
need do is make a note of the stockcodes and prices of the items you
need whilst surfing, write these on the printed out order form, and post
off to us along with your remittance. Easy peasy. If you are still
unsure about how to do it just email me on denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk. BB Denise W.
Topic check this out posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 01, 2008 at 05:41 PM
i had the same problem. wot i did is go to 3v.com and register for a 3v
card. its a pay as you go credit card. you buy vouches at a local outlet
and use it to open a paypal account which the S.A. accepts, or as a
visa card anywhere online. full instructions on the site. good luck
terry
Topic Can I Send You Cash For An Order? posted by Old Client User
posted on April 01, 2008 at 05:17 PM
Hi everyone at the S.A. I hope all is well with you. Denise, You
probably don't remember me but I used to call at the shop many, many
years ago when the S.A.was open for browsing. I've recently got into
computers and stumbled across your website which I really like and am
attracted to several products (I used Ruthvah many years ago to good
effect! ;-) ) but I don't have a credit or debit card - won't give them
houseroom - so I seem to be in a kind of financial limbo. I don't like
cards because I want to keep my purchases private. Is there any other
way? Can I send you Cash through the post like before? Remember me to
Mark, Phil and Simon if they still work there. Barry, Old Client
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Can the use of drugs be spiritually valuable?
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Topic Drugs posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 02:09 AM
The main point is that there should be a relavent framework. Drugs
certainly open the mind but much control can be lost via this, unless
ones mind can be anchored to the intended act. Again experience life as
you will. Purely subjective but no less valuable but not for everyone.
Disclaimer on every level unless it works for u not advicated.
Topic RE: Can the use of drugs be spiritually valuable? posted by John D. User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 04:35 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:43 AM
The controversy about drugs is shot-through with the kind of
self-righteous humbug which disables any sensible discussion. In this
climate any genuine debate stands a good chance of being wildly accused
of promoting Drug use and if we want to retain free speech on this forum
we should be careful in how it is portrayed. This is a very important
subject anthropologically in connection with religious observance and
the evolution of medicine.
We have therefore opened up some guidelines for discussion on this or any other thread which concerns drug usage.
There are plenty of forums on legalising drugs etc. The SAEF is for
discussion on the ESOTERIC aspects as it applies to shamanistic magic
since the dawn of mankind.
Every culture has a history of sacred drug usage. Substances which
enabled the priests and priestesses of their religions to atone with
their gods. Many of the greatest painters and poets throughout history
have taken various substances to heighten their understanding of life
and the human condition. Without the sacred use of drugs our cultures
simply would not have evolved as they have. Without an understanding of
the use of 'drugs' by ancient soothsayers the pharmaecological
properties of plants would not be known today and people the world over
would be suffering needlessly.
Thus when an occultist talks of 'drugs' or mind alterning substances we are not talking of 'recreational drugs'
but of sacred substances which open doors in the mind to enable greater
understanding. Discussions about drugs in this forum should be limited
to the sacred use of substances in their historical context.
Regards, John Dennis
[Inforburst: Anyone unsure of how sacraments are used should read Marabas's
OEXP102 Free Spirit Through the use of Plant Substances.
Topic RE: Can the use of drugs be spiritually valuable? posted by andy User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Hi there. Red Dragon let me point out that if you asked virtually any
British person if they had any 'unfortunate' experiences whilst under
the 'affluence of incohol' then the answers from most would be yes.
Everybody who gets drunk will at some point wake the next day and think,
''Oh my God, I did'nt do that did I''?! Two options: firstly, never
drink again or secondly, feel a little ashamed and then get over it!
Simple. As to any other drugs being used in ritual then in my opinion
the answer should be a big no. Any form of experimentationion with drugs
can lead to further experimentation with stronger substances. I know of
too many people who are now regular cocaine users/heroine users and
they all started with a bit of cannabis experimentation and went from
there because they found they 'liked' it.
Topic RE: Can the use of drugs be spiritually valuable? posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 26, 2007 at 11:12 PM
In reply to Red Dragon's post, the viewpoints expressed are mine and
solely mine and are not the views of the S.A. just me, myself, and I.
Yep, no doubt about it Red Dragon if used cautiously, I would say drugs
can be spiritually valuable in loosening the girders of the soul so to
speak. One has to test the information gathered via drugs as in any
other cases of spiritual exploration, the method used being something
like gematria, qabalah correspondences etc (or whatever method one finds
efficacious). Its a matter of choice, one will use them others will
not. If it is one's will to use drugs in their quest for attaining, then
so be it. I just feel that those who do should not be held in contempt
for doing so by others, and that information gathered by the use of
drugs does not always equal false spiritual knowledge. If information
gathered under the influence of drugs is tested and held to be valid
according to whatever system one uses for testing (i.e. correspondences,
gematria etc), then there is no reason why that information should not
be put forward as just as valid as that gathered under more "rigid"
methods.
Topic Can the use of drugs be spiritually valuable? posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 26, 2007 at 08:28 PM
My opinions are NOT those of the S.A. or any affiliated members, they are purely pesonal view points.
I do not reccomend taking drugs (Unless prescribed by one's G.P.)
to anyone, however, I recently had an unfortunate experience with
alchohol, widely used and available, yet possibly the most dangerous of
all drugs. Personally, I might prepare for Ritual by partaking of
'strange drugs', finding this morally acceptable, and, used with extreme
care,beneficial. No doubt there are those who will damn my words. I
would remind any pro-drug writers to add a disclaimer, that your views
are not those of the S.A. or any other member; also this is a very
sensitive issue, and words should be carefully thought through,(if you
will.)With considration of those who will read your words. I hope this
is of value.
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Topic RE: Cats and Physic pets posted by AnnB User
posted on May 29, 2010 at 05:37 PM
Riceand Peas How are things with the baby and the dog all well I hope look after that girl of yours Keep well and safe
Topic Cats and Pyshics posted by AnnB User
posted on February 02, 2010 at 03:37 PM
Great news glad to see all going well. Keep well and keep safe Blessings with the baby
Topic RE: Cats and Physic pets posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on January 31, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Howaya Anne, just a quick note to say "Howaya". Everthing is going GREAT
with me too. My girlfriend and I have just come back from India and we
are moving into a beutiful new home expecting our first baby!!! We also
got ourselves a dog that we decided to name "Ramsey Dukes" on acount of
his light hearted but challenging nature. I will get back to writting
soon but for now have the best of Luck and take care.
Ricenpeas
Topic Cats and Physic pets posted by Ann B User
posted on December 28, 2009 at 09:54 AM
I have just been readin forum havent looked at it for months trying to
recover am now a lot better and seeing things as they should be, I held a
Medium eveing for the support of Brainwave a childs Charity for
children born with disabilties there I received a message clarifying
what I had been trying to understand for a while. It stated clearly that
I was to take my learnings and use to pass onto younger people
hopefully trotting them off onto their correct paths.so have been doing
this, holding one to one classes and they seem to be going the way that
was intended for them. This helps me as I can not do the physical as
much as would like, but am seeing that there is a place for me in this
world. Have done a lot of travelling and found a great deal of
peace.Also my late daughter is continually with me guiding even to the
point of which earrings to wear, which she always wants to be pearls.
(pearls for tears so they say but she is happy enough) Rice and Peas you
are the reason have answered after all this time, I still regard you as
someone who is special and will hopefully go a long way
Topic RE: Cats & Psychic posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 22, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Hi Anne, This thread did not pan out to well. It was not my plan to
offend you personaly and i am sorry for the messy feelings it may have
generated. I just wanted to discuss why magick rebounds. My examples
were way off the mark due to a misunderstanding of the "equations of
magick" in Liber Kaos by Peter Carroll. This misunderstanding had me
seperate the perceived from the perceiver, hence my materialistic
approach. Our Karma can be a bitch if we resist her (she likes to move)
so lets just say lessons learnt.
Always about if you wanna discuss
Ricenpeas
Topic Cats & Psychic posted by AnnB User
posted on May 31, 2009 at 09:42 AM
Denise hi yes I am extremely unwell at the moment and feeling very
sensitive and tired my back has broken a lot more and its increasingly
hard to walk. I never intended for the example I quoted to be seen of
anything about Karma this particular person is just a person that
delights in spreading rumours about people and watching everyone fight
each other I have never joined in though she has made many attempts on
me to me this is where the reap what you sow comes back she is now a
very lonely person as no one will trust her or confide in her. I hold
many peoples secret thoughts and they will stay that way. My interest
lies mainly in protecting the young and guiding them when I can when I
was young I tried all avenues and came to the right path yes when I was
deeply troubled the left hand path did come into my mind but not for
long I lead a gentle quiet life meditation every day having young and
old come to me when they are troubled for counselling and protection. My
magick is good and pure never used for evil which what am always trying
to put across evil gets you nowhere I had feelings for Rice@Peas and
did honestly feel that he was singling me out for my beliefs Being
unwell perhaps I saw things in the wrong way have been divining and come
to this conclusion to Rice@Peas I send Love and hope we can get back on
the path that really brings us all together My Charlotte cat in spirit
has taken to following us down the road to the market as we used to keep
her in when we went down town now we have no choice than to let her
come. Also my mind has been distracted by the death suddenly of a very
dear friend she is happy now in spirit and that is good. Im glad you
like my input and have decided to try again.
Topic Cats & Psychic posted by AnnB User
posted on May 28, 2009 at 09:38 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Well at last Denise has explained what Ive been trying to say for a long
time no one questions Denise which is good but I say again I have seen
many harmful things done to someone and eventually it all came back on
her nothing to do with magic it just seems as though let us say people
always reap what they sow. So am now signing off too ill and sad off the
way Im always pin pointed as the one to pick on so please no more to
say and that I believe I have always led my life as a good witch and I
hope a good person doesnt get you anything but grief seems to me no more
kindly advice will come from me also I have read Marx Descartes
Rousseau Baudeliere and do not confuse this philosophy with Magick
[Infoburst: You can't be feeling well today AnnB which is why you have
misinterpreted the general discussion as an attack on your goodself
which no-one involved has intended. Live to fight another day; - your
comments are valued and feel free to criticise me any time ;-). There is
no conflict with most of what you say but you are confusing the errant
New-Age view of Karma with cause and effect.
Marabas's OEXP066 explains how people create their own future by willed ambition
or by DEFAULT, thus people create their own heaven and hell by their
actions, or lack of them. As ultimately we all come from One and return
to One any action against the flow of the universe is a form of
self-harm which will create repercussions in one's future. If we could
not create our own futures then magick would not work. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on May 23, 2009 at 07:13 PM
edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Im new to the idea of 3 fold return. I cant belive that the Universe
which expresss both spontinuaty and causality can can give me an exact 3
for 1, unless i divide my whole into 3. Though I reap what I sow is
more than evident.
Karmic retribution hits those who belive in it because we manifest our
belifes. Marx says we only drown in water because we belive in gravity
but when you have spent your whole life stuck to the earth this belife
to walk on water would have to be a pure one.
Im sure theres lots more to learn here which is why I raised the subject with a rehtorical gambit.
Ricenpeas
Hi Ricenpeas, Good Point. M says that the 'law of threefold return' is
an epithet not a statement of cosmic mechanics. It was originally used
to try emphasise the fact that all magic (good or bad) may have
consequences beyond that which the beginner may expect or account for
and thus all magic requires deep thought and divination backed by
disinterested wisdom before an operation is begun. (E.G. If extending
the life of a loved one involved shortening your own should and could
you do it? )The idea of 'the law of threefold return' has been worked-up
in error by many latterday neo-pagans who have not escaped the thrall
of Xist indoctrinated morality into some kind of cosmic retribution when
it is nothing of the kind. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 21, 2009 at 05:42 PM
Thanks for the lesson Dennise, some exellent food for thought. Both
Marabas and Peter Carroll influence me enourmously and it does send me
in a spin Is my uderstanding of Principia Magica wrong or, as I suspect,
have I just over simplified? I shall look forwards to coming back to
this thread after a some thought. I would like Ricenpeas to be of some
use to this sight as well as to me so please exuse this awkward phase Im
currently in and give me a good kick if I need it.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 18, 2009 at 02:37 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 01:51 PM
Hi JG, I have given 2 examples of misapplied Magick (something which can
not be igored for the sake of beginners). And I hope the examples will
push people to getting propper techical advice from Geuine Adepts with
Geuine experience. Magick Works!!! Im a novice not an Adept and I am
easily put in my place, but I do have questions for the sake of my and
all's evolution. Morality, Karma and Retrbiution OXEP 066 is definatly a
must for any one concerned about this thread, and thanks for the imput.
:)
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst: Marabas says that in this ongoing debate about magic and the
law of threefold return it is common currency for faulty logic to be
used and we should strive hard to avoid it. People's lives are not
static and experience the flux of good and bad things all the time. In
the incidences of things that go from bad to worse in people's lives it
is not possible without detailed analysis of six months before and six
months after the stated point to ascertain exactly what caused the
occurrence but the 'C follows B therefore A indirectly causes C'
argument is often used to validate these stories and is very faulty.
It's the equivalent of saying that because Hitler was a vegetarian
sooner or later all vegetarians will become genocidal dictators. ;-) Can
someone answer the question as to why karmic retribution only ever
seems to occur to people who believe in karmic retribution? BB Denise
W.]
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Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets posted by JG User
posted on April 18, 2009 at 01:09 PM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Hi, Ann, R&P, I feel I had to join in and add my imput. You talk of
magic rebounding and of a spell to make someone like another person
which actually caused the person harm. Reading your messages may well
scare beginners from using magic at all I felt. It will be interesting
to hear other peoples views but bare in mind the S.A sell a spellkit for
revenge which is balanced so that no harm comes to the user. Also,
have you read Marabas's OEXP 066?
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 09:28 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 01:39 PM
Lol Anne, i pay good money for the heebie jeebies. I have had your
writtings in my mind for nearly a year now so apologies if i've jumped
on you out of the blue, but all im looking for is some respectfull
debate. Sorry if my example offended. There was no intent, i was just
repeating a tale. Another, and more tactful, tale i have is of my
girlfriends mother who wanted her sons work mates to like him as there
was some conflict. So, she used a spell. He got ran over and all the
work mates visited him in hospital, felt sorry for him, and the conflict
was gone. This was a error in her application of Magick though it does
ot fit as nicely.
"a Whitch saying about rebounding is An it harm no one do what ye Will"
My question would be ..Is this a technical statement implyig that the
uiverse punishes those who harm others or a moral statement based on a
particular Whitch's experiances?
With fraternal respect
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst: Presumably you were asking Annb the question rhetorically? A
quick glance at history will prove that evil is not punished. Often
people with the greatest blood on their hands are lauded as great
persons (Genghis Khan, Alexander, etc. Marabas teaches that the idea of
cosmic retribution comes from the conscience. Corrupt priesthoods use
this compassion to control those who submit to their world-view. We know
when we do something mean and thus the priests can impose guilt upon
us. Part of magical training is to break the chains of this
indoctrination and set our minds free.
(see Secrets of Mind Control) People who spread warnings about the law
of threefold return without thinking about it are unliberated and will
punish themselves unconsciously sooner or later, whatever they do; but
Magic itself does not rebound in the way that your examples illustrate.
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets posted by AnnB User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 04:21 PM
Rice an peas Hello I didnt realise I was giving you the heebie jeebies
or am I getting the message wrong. I am trained in pschology and
pyschiatry so perhaps see things in a more rational angle sometimes
people analyse too much.A Witch's saying about rebounding is An it harm
no one do what ye will
This is the idealogy I have always tried to live my life by of course Ive tripped up now and again who hasnt
Your compensation remark about broken backs wasnt very tactful as I too
have a broken back as the result of a car doing 80mph landing in the
back of our stationery vehicle at a traffic stop on a country road, no
amount of compensation could account for pain endured every day though
meditation helps also having a deal of friends helps too. I am a lot
older than you of course and made youthful errors but they are a
learning curve.At present am very unwell as my compnsatory back has gone
onto another level and the walking is geting a lot harder But I travel
astrally also in mind away from the bed so am quite happy. Take care and
do realise that badness can rebound back onto the bringer I have seen
it time and time again
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 02:27 AM
Hi Anne, hope all is well. If I may, I would like to respectfuly
challage one of your ideas about Magick "rebouding". I tried to tackle
it before but due to youth I came across a bit arrogant. From what i can
see, there seems to be 2 elements at play here
1 Subconscience resistance... ie The Gods are trying to teach us something
2 Physical resistance... this is best understood from the tale of the
person who enchants for a fortune only to break there back and recieve
compensation as that was the easiest path for the magick to manifest.
Methinks holding these 2 ideas in our heads we can give other more technical advice and avoid giving people the eeby jeebies.
What say ye Sister
Ricenpeas
Topic Cats and Pyschic Pets posted by AnnB User
posted on November 30, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Hello all been away a long time been trying to get to grips with
expressionism post impressionism in art have finally clicked I hope if
this has any funny words written backwards please excusethe Me has
decided to pay a visit anyway enough of that. Im writing to say my cat
Charlotte who passed over and has been helping me with John's husband
beliefs he always had said he isnt a believer and thas fine with me
although sometimes I threaten to turn him into a frog but he must have
to admit that witchcraft works as I worked a spell and along he came how
glad was I that it bought someone good well the other day we were just
going out and we both heard a bell tinkling how did she get out John
asked me of Millie, so we turned round nothing there just the tinkling
of her little bell now she can follow us to her hearts content and not
be put back indoors.Also strangely my late husband has been travelling
about with us when we go to Chelsmford on the country bus,for someone
who always went by car it must be quite novel. He just sits at the back
quietly looking out of the window.Well will everyone have a peaceful
Yuletide And a special big hug goes to Spike
Topic Physcic Cats & Pets posted by AnnB User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 03:23 PM
Hello everyone Im here again of course been under the weather again I get bored with it so will not go on about it.
My new cat Millie is seeing spirit she watches i walk across the ceiling
absolutely fascinated and Im fascinated watching her what a wonderful
gift they cannot vrbally share with us. She has seen the other black cat
(sweep or charlotte) trotting round and looks at them full of wonder.
My dog Jack is very good at knowing when I am unwell I was doing my
level best to sweep the gardenleaves up but he would not let me just
stood in front of me and I couldnt budge I tried to go round the other
side of the wishing well in the garden but he beat me to it so I gave in
very unraciously. Now when I get out of bed he follows me everywhere
and if in the other room and he feels Im in trouble he will go fetch his
Dad How blessed I am we really dont deserve this adoration but we have
itand should be very grateful which I truly am.
Not quite sure where to put this piece of news but my guide Indian brave
and wolf paid me a visit to say that I would be invited to a regression
and no way was I to follow through with it. Sure enough a young friend
who is learning from me and others came round with the thought I turned
it down he must have a good reason for this action and trusting him
implicitly I have followed his words.Take Care all Rice & Peas hello
Rex are you well Denise Blessings
Topic Cats & Psychich Pets posted by AnnB User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Many thankyous Mrs.J. Yes a Rite of Passage is essential if they wish to return hurrah if not so be it.
I must say the little imp (6 years old when he died) who I have written
about for he drowned in his gardens pond and was by it one day when he
looked up to see it nothing of course to do with the pets must this
little man came home with me and has settled and has great delight
turning over the channels on my tv it drives me to distraction but there
you go what can you do.
Be blessed Mrs.J. and write again Im glad this forum has taken off
it was Denise who suggested it so she must be awarded the plaudits
I know crawling again. Millie the new cat is making great strides and of course once again Dad is besotted him and his girls.
AnnB
Topic RE: Cats and DogsPsychic Pets posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 10:14 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM
[infoburst:
Welcome Mrs J.
I would say a rite of passing is essential because it actually does the
reverse of what you appear to think it does. A rite of passage does not
irretrievably remove a pet's spirit from the physical world but rather
builds bridges between worlds. It also helps the pet-owners come to
terms with the immediate loss - a very valuable function. That link can
then be used later, when and if necessary, by the animal and/or the pet
owners.
A rite of passing should be more than a mere eulogy and it was the lack
of a good Passing Rite which prompted Marabas to write one. If you want
to read how it should be done then try
Marabas's OEXP067 (ANCIENT EGYPTIAN FUNERARY RITE FOR PETS / ANIMALS:) because it is a brilliant re-working and I believe can make all the difference. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Cats and DogsPsychic Pets posted by Mrs J User
posted on July 10, 2008 at 01:31 AM
Hi AnnB this is a nice thread. You have brought about a gentleness
from some of the forum contributors, you are, I sense, a very special
lady.
We have always had dogs and they have all seen presences. They watch
entities walk around the room and smell up their legs. I would like to
pass on an experience I had with one of our family pets. We homed her
from the RSPCA, an overweight jack russel whom we renamed Nellie. They
told us she was four years old. However, three years later she was
crippled with arthritis and her hair turned white so I suspect a few
extra years was added onto her. Dogs in our home went together with
kids. I never considered any pet a familiar as I had never had spiritual
experiences with them apart from Nellie and this wasnt until her
death. We had gone out fishing but had to turn back when the sea turned
rough. We pulled the boat up the steep gravel drive from the beach and
my husband was in a ghastly mood. Nellie was running up the side of the
boat and I remember telling my husband for gods sake dont run the dog
over and then decided to get out and run with her. The kids did too and
when I sensed no more danger I started back to the house. One of the
children shouted me and as I looked up Nellie was looking at me she
needed help I ran as quickly as I could but within a few minutes of me
getting there Nellie was dead she had had a massive heart attack. My
son who was holding her told me it was ok that she was only sleeping
he lay her on the gravel and I put my hand on her body. Her heart had
stopped but the blood kept pumping around her body slowly so it looked
liked she was still breathing but I knew from her eyes there would be no
revival. From the bellows of my stomach I screamed I screamed as loud
as I could and in that instant Nellie took me with her through her last
breaths I can only describe the passing on as when you are half
asleep and half awake semi conscious, very peaceful and noises nulled
and then we were in summerland. I have heard the other side described as
this before and that is truly what it looked like we were in the same
place and still the same spirits but it was brighter and thus felt
warmer. I could see with such clarity and there was such peacefulness
and no senses of emotion at all. Nellie was looking at me and then at
her lying body and she really did not make any sense of it at all and
then I was back in our vibration and everything looked gray to what I
had experienced. Nellie wouldnt leave my side she only ever did this
when she needed help. When we got home we bought a cherry tree and
buried her under this. We did a passing rite for her. She walked into
the ether but she didnt really want to go she wanted to stay with us.
I still miss her and that was three years ago.
Ann B I thought long and hard about sharing this but after reading your
comments about clearing it brought to me a terrible thought maybe she
did not want me to help her this way maybe she just wanted to hang
around but I thought I was helping her to move on.
Maybe next time one of our pets dye I will think long and hard before doing a passing rite.
Regards
Topic Cats Psychic Pets posted by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:11 PM
Many thank you my friend Rex am feeling a lot better now an ready to
prattle. John is a kind gentleman but when I am unwell and misbehave
(over do it) he becomes a real tyrant my own fault of course.Anyway
thought would tell you about Pumpkin she was the runt of the litter
living on a farm just up the road to my bungalow My lat husband had
bought her home and we took her to the vet to check her over he was
always bringing home cats that were in trouble and they were all loved
but the vet looked at this tiny bundle she is a waste of time give her 6
months thats all Frank just picked up the little one saying we'll see
about that and we tookher home she died about 6 years ago never got any
bigger used to sit in my hand a the great age of 20years.
Frank died in hospital in 1989 Brompton Hosp in London, so there was no
way that animal could know but the night he died she went outside the
house and refused to come in I had to feed her outside make her a
littlehome in the greenhouse all through the bad weather she wouldnt
come in. Then along came John and we married in six months and what
happened in came Pumpkin to live indoors again
straight onto John's lap and she hooked him completely.She died
peacefully in my arms we both howled and let Charlotte into our lives.
Another strange cat was Harold when I was on nights at hospital he was
always waiting at the bus stop when I came home weird isnt it.
So Rex perhaps your cat is the same they are strange creatures though
wonderful, no wonder the Egyptians worshipped them they surely had the
right idea.
Take CAre all
RiceandPeas they can drive you to distraction I know
AnnB
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Topic Get Well soon posted by Rex User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 05:03 PM
Ann,
My thoughts are with you, May the Gods bless you for a speedy
recovery to good health.
Rex
Topic Cats & Psychic posted by AnnB User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 04:45 PM
Thank you for all the input coming into this forum
I am a tad unwell at present and only being allowed to send a small
message and not prattle for hours. Having been sedated for almost two
days and just coming round? Will write in a few days
But keep your input coming Denise works hard for us all
and hello to Rex and rice@peas JOhn and Denise
See you in a few days when next on planet earth
Ann x
Topic Im a Howler posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Howaya Anne, Rex. Its a sunny Irish day and im on top form. Ive rescude 2
cats from people who couldnt be bothered. 1 was a timmed kitten who had
never been let out. Got him his injections, extended his bounderies and
Bobs your uncle a few months later hes a tiger. Aaaaahh. Gave him away
to a friend. The other was more a lesson for me. I grew up in a house
full of cidar swiging crusties and aswell as many dogs there was an evil
cat. It was never fed, never let out so shat everywhere. These were
obviously contributing factors to why the cat was evil but that didnt
prepare me for the heinous crime it was about to commit. One still and
pleasent evening i was happily preparing a bit of dinner, whistling to
the sound of stoners coughing, when the evil cat jumped up and nicked my
stake. MY STAKE. Obviously i went on a 1 man crusaid and cought the
unrepentant bugger, put both my hands round its neck and ........ No
chance, couldnt do it. It just wasnt in me. A very strange feeling of
having a life in your hands and i learnt alot about my own limitations. I
catnaped the cat and gave him to someone who could shoe the Devil from
him and as far as i know it led a good honest life after all. I never
tolled the crusty girl what i had done nor will i ever. I have a dog
now. Big stupid head on her.
All the best
Ricenpeas
Topic Cats & Psychic Pets posted by AnnB User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Rex Thankyou
Rice&Peas Are you well
Denise W Hello
Will write tomorrow when feeling a bit brighter
BB Ann
Topic RE: Cats posted by Rex User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 11:54 PM
I should also add that the old boy will just not live in the house.
I have tried but when his original owner passed away the next owner fed
him but didn't/wouldn't(?) take him in. Subsequently he is now fully an
outdoor cat though I do have a bed for him in the shed which he likes
complete with sheepskin rug.
Rex.
Topic RE: Cats posted by Rex User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 01:55 PM
Hello Ann,
Thank you for your invite to speak about my cat which I will:
I have an old Tom who has been visiting my back kitchen window
for many years, occasionally will come into the kitchen as I
leave the window open. He is a wise old fellow and was the
resident here two owners back previous to myself and never moved
on. I leave my shed door open so he always has a place of shelter.
So he's not really 'my cat' but we have a mutual fondness for
one another and I always enjoy his coming to the window for a feed
and a psychic chat.
All the best,
Rex.
Topic Cats posted by AnnB User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 07:48 PM
I have a vsit from my dog(Rottie) who is in spirit together with my
black cat Sweep. The animals we have now are very aware of them and will
often stare at where they are but are not at all afraid which is good
as I would hate for the spirit ones to have to be cleared.My husband
always tells the dog what tie hes coming home and he gets up tp go t
meet him at just the right time. He also knows when John is getting on
the train at Weston Super Mare where he was visiting his mum as he
becoes agitated at that time and wont settle properly until he arrives
home.what great creatures they are
I hope someone else joins in this column Id hate to be the only star of
this particular forum.My Baby cat is now sleeping with my expensive baby
doll ade of porcelain lying in the moses basket resting her head on his
tummy c'est la vie
Topic RE: Cats and Psychic Pets posted by ann B User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 08:54 PM
Hi John thank you for your reply I do believe in the ability of cats to
know what is happening and acting upon it.Our new cat is but a baby and
full of play as the nets and blinds and the fish Lily will certify.
I did have a cat Harold who used to wait at the bus stop when I finished
the night shift and walked up the road with me cannot explain it. Our
dogs always know when their dad is due home even from Weston Super Mare
when hes getting on the train weird but strange
Hope other folks join in and if anyone has any poetry about cats our
Moggie Mag of CPL would be very happy to print no reward just the glory
of being a funny little journal
BB
Ann B
Topic RE: Cats and Psychic Pets posted by John User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 05:54 PM
Hi Ann,
Used to work for RSPCA long time ago and was always bringing
animals home so they could avoid the needle a bit longer !
I've had a good few cats but at present I have several small
dogs. I'm always amused at how many cats can freeze themselves
into seeming invisibility so my dogs will walk right past,
oblivious to their presence or even their smell.
My dogs can always sense when I'm due home from work and will
go to the bedroom window to get a view of the road, and I finish
at varying times so it's not a body-clock thing. They do the
same with my wife.
Regards,
John.
Topic Cats and Psychic Pets posted by Ann B User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 04:20 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Hi there I wonder how many esotericists are CPL(CPR) members like me? I
have an intrinsic insight to cats they are intelligent funny outrageous
and good companions.I have just lost my darling burmese cat Charlotte
she died in my and her dads arms after we wrapped her up and took her to
bed with us she is buried in the garden with our other pets(not the
dogs as they were too big) we talk to them regularly knowing where each
is lying we have planted trees or bushes over them, the dogs having
their own tree. Charlotte was a special cat as we her and I used to talk
a lot, she often spoke words, like why incessantly and no two of her
favourite, she also M liked to do the emailing and was always sitting on
my lap when I was trying to type. We now have a baby cat and all that
goes with that the blinds being used literally as skate boards the china
of the dresser is in great danger also, but she has filled the void
left my darling she isnt ready to commune yet but we are talking to her
so will let you know just now all she wants to do eat and play. I hope
this starts a good thread with cat lovers all of our denomination should
I feel have a connection with all animals and nature. One last thing
before I sign off as I tend to prattle My cousin has a Newfoundland dog
who will not behave for anyone. He comes up to me sits down and gives me
his paw, we are defintely on the same wavelength. NO one in my family
except my son and husband can understand this as they do not believe as I
do.
Take Care
Blssed Be. Continue and grow
Ann B
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Topic Chaosphere on Youtube posted by abrxs93 User
posted on May 02, 2009 at 04:17 AM
Excellent to hear the introduction snippet from the Chaosphere experience
on Youtube. Well done for allowing this to remain posted. Thanks.
Topic RE: Chaosphere cassette excerpt/s posted on Youtube posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Greetings John, Thank you for your timely warning. The person
responsible for this breach of our copyright has explained his position
which is not one of financial gain and he has complied with all our
requirements in connection with it.
As you are probably aware from previous incidents, had this been an
attempt to pirate the recording then Marabas would have excercised
maximum Geburic energies upon those responsible through the legal
process but upon reflection he sees no need to be punitive to seekers
who make genuine mistakes and so to further promote the interests of
Chaos Magick has agreed that the first excerpt only of the recording can
be kept on Youtube as a kind of 'sampler' of the tape for newcomers,
providing links are also included to our webpage for it.
Thus with the wisdom of Solomon a negative will turn into a positive for
everyone. The Youtube page now also carries an 'authorised' history of
the tape and the early Chaos scene as it connects with the S.A. and a
link to this forum thread on it so the situation can be monitored.
Full details of the Chaosphere (now on CD) can be seen here.
Thank you for your keen observation of the breach of our copyright.
Marabas will be writing to you separately with a reward for your
loyalty. Have a good Beltaine. BB Denise Wadsworth
Scribe to Marabas
Topic Chaosphere cassette excerpt/s posted on Youtube posted by John K User
posted on April 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM
edited on April 22, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Dear Friends at Sorcerer's Apprentice,
I have just noticed there is at least one excerpt of your Chaosphere recording
posted on Youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-tAF5kHRQc
labelled chaos magick cassette tape 1986 (excerpt), described as:
First 10 minutes from side A, 1986
chaos magick cassette tape.
Copyright 1986 Sorcerers Apprentice Leeds
Best Regards,
John K.
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Topic Chaosphere CD posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Thanks for the advice, I have just paid £10 for Liber Null S.A. collectors edition. Its P.O. box number was 888.
Love it
Ricenpeas
Topic What is the best spell for revenge? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 19, 2008 at 07:56 PM
I will stop patronising when you start being more thoughtfull to the
time we give you. Would you like to re-phrase the question?
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ?? posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 19, 2008 at 06:06 PM
what are you on about??
could you use simple plain English please and also try NOT TO PATRONISE!!!
Topic RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ?? posted by A Watcher. User
posted on September 10, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Dear anonynon,
Is it your karma or this forum person you are trying to steer?
Karma is performed through people, you cannot restrict the will of others by barking orders.
Will you ever grasp these simple concepts?
Your personal experience of karma is not good reason to impose your universe on others. Learn, break through the wall.
Learn=evolve, devolve to the slime if you must.
Please, do not restrict the growth of others any further.
Topic RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ?? posted by Anonynon User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 10:52 AM
is it your karma or your friends your trying to steer????? Best stick to your own affairs!!!
Topic The buck stops here. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 05, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Dear One and All,
The Astral concept 'Babalonuit888' became a physical reality, long
before my expected launch date, in '09, although the Quickening,
launched 08/08/08 has obviously been successful.
A puzzling Astral vision, 4-6 months ago, shows 100+ people worldwide are using this banner.
As I am the conduit for all this, and able to look after myself, I take
responsibility for comments made in this name. I.E. If you have any
queries regarding the banner entries, this i.p , or any other, please
contact me, that I can clarify matters. Thankyou.
Best Wishes, YITGW, nome (NEMO)
Topic RE: TO BABALONUIT888 RE: Progress. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 05, 2008 at 09:49 AM
Dear Hannah,
If you will, (Feel it is truly your inner desire/wish), Please
update us on your progress. We can All learn from each other.
Best Wishes.
Topic RE: TO BABALONUIT888 RE: Progress. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 07:32 PM
Hi Hannah,
Thanks for your comments, flattery will get you everywhere!
Seriously, I try to aid fellow aspirants as best able, hadn't realised my ideas were intelligable, let alone insightful!
Well, I'm still here, then away for a while. I generally reccomend Ricenpeas for advice, He may be referring to a spell that
Fr. Marabus composed, which I've used. Your cause seems righteous, very
important, that one has the assured confidence to perform the spell. The
behaviour/situation you describe, is despicable.
In my case, I used the spell against a nasty 'man', who did me a
terrible wrong. Did it work? Well, He fled the area! Very effective.
Very best wishes, Hannah. If you're unclear about any aspect, I'm sure someone will here will help you. Bye for now.
Topic RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ?? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 06:41 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:10 PM
If it has to be done Hannah then best do it properly. Marabas does a spell kit for Revenge/Vidication/To Right an Injustice.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm
You can start a new threads in the
Topicslist page. Keeps it all userfriendly. :)
Ricenpeas
Topic BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ?? posted by HANNAH User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:18 PM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 01:33 PM
My friend has been cheated on and now I wish to exact a little revenge..........any ideas??
[Infoburst: Hanna, why are you wasting time asking people on this thread
how to work a Revenge Spell when Marabas has already compiled one which
is not only unique but carefully balanced to avoid the operator
contracting negative karma. A spell that has been used effectively for
over twenty years? Look at SPELLKIT FOR REVENGE / VINDICATION / TO RIGHT
AN INJUSTICE (stockcode P103) on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm and you won't have to
run the gamut of peoples' opinions of your morality on this forum. ;-)
BB Denise W. ]
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Topic TO BABALONUIT888 RE: Progress. posted by HANNAH User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:15 PM
Your writings are fantastic so inspiring and insightful..............so I
just wanted to respectfully ask you (hope you don't mind!)........is
there a successful simple ritual to have revenge on a particular
person?
This person has cheated on his partner, my friend, (who doesn't know) and I want to pay him back.......but how??????
Topic RE: Chaosphere CD/Psychonaut posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 09:40 AM
$29.99 John. Im still smiling.
Enjoy
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Chaosphere CD/Psychonaut posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Hi, yes, Ricenpeas is a good Magician, with a good future ahead.
He desrves that result!
May All attain!
AUM HA!
Topic Chaosphere CD/Psychonaut posted by John W User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Hi Ricenpeas,
Your 'Psychonaut' has a foreword by Frater Marabas ? I'm totally jelous !
Anyhow, Just ordered a copy of the Chaosphere CD and can't wait to
experience it for myself.
Best Regards,
John.
Topic RE: A Word. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Complaints are always welcome Noome as is your poetry. Ive started a new thread to keep this one on subject.
Ricenpeas
Topic A Word. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 01:15 AM
Hiya Rice! Hope you're well. I:-) 'nome', working as able, have chosen
to simply accept responsibility for the 'order' I've created.
I didn't expect the banner name to go worldwide, but it has. So...
I feel I should explain the 'complaint' I sent you, got to keep you on your toes! Shall we look at The Egyptian legend?
Osiris, God, came to Earth, looking for the pearl of great price, but
when He incarnated as a human, as Horus, son of Osiris, He forgot why He
was here.
His 'evil' twin, Set, then chopped Him into a thousand pieces,
scattering them. But His wife: Isis, and Her Sister: Nephtys, The twin
Goddesses of truth, reconstructed Him.
The 'evil' twin is simply the Etheric soul. The scattering is the myriad
of desires, impulses, thoughts, that constitute the ego self.
So we make ourselves whole again, restraining the ego self's 'false'
will, finding one's true will, and the battle with Set, the Twin of
Horus,is no more; Set takes His rightful place in One's universe. Hope
that's of some value, to someone, you may have got this point already,
still, a different view point for you.
You're the constant, main contributer to the forum, the oexp's and full
teachings, hadn't been formulated when I was at approx. your stage, I'd
be fascinated to see how this works out for you.
Well, I'm off again, to seclusion, a 'crawler', inserted 'It's about to
happen', into my music library, I wonder if 'something' physical, will
happen? Whatever, when I get back, I hope you're still here, and a
treasure trove of forum comments! I like you, Rice, you're pleasant,
intelligent, and born to be a Magician, it seems to me.
Sent with sincere respect, and very Best Wishes to you, Ricenpeas, in all your endeavors.
Sincere Respect and very Best Wishes to S.A. and all members.
Light, Life, Love and Liberty to One and All.
Topic RE: Snowballing. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 01:44 AM
Nope, can't leave it like that. In fact it's me,
I'm experiencing 'snowballing'. I followed 'intuition' expecting some form of astral result.
In reality, through a music station, China sings 'Sexy boy' to me, Germany slipped 'incubus/succubus' in, 'Shallayah' reflected
'Stargazer and Russia 'Futuristic Dragon.'
I ask myself; how far does this thing go?
I wonder what happens next?
Best Wishes.
Topic Snowballing. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 01:25 AM
A visualisation for you/psychonaut, I meant.
Have you heard:-'The Magician who does invoke The Spirits of Air,
must be prepared to ride the whirlwind.' Or,
When, after repeated Ritual, you obtain result, and you will achieve result, the operation snowballs, according to the forces
which powered the operation?
So goes it.
Best Wishes.
Topic RE: Progress. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Nice one, it does have a role to play. I will approach the visualisation from that angle.
Ricenpeas
Topic Progress. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 05:37 PM
It is pleasing to experience the physical result of Magick.
For One who has devoted themselves, wholly, to The Great Work, such
things as:-E.G. suitable accomodation, land, Scarlet women, goats, cats
etc. all appear as wished for, easily, as they pertain directly to the
Greater Good.
Best Wishes.
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Topic Chaosphere CD posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 02:25 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Ive recently started a 1st edition book collection and i have had real
trouble finding a collectors copy of Liber Null published by the S.A.
So, I found a picture of the original front cover, visualised me holding
it, and fired that into the Void using the chaosphere CD. A few weeks
later i came across a site advertising Liber Null collectors edition for
$29.99 which matched how much i had left on my prepay visacard.
Brilliant. Yestaday i recivied the package opened it up and it was a
collectors edition of "Psyconaught" also published my the S.A. with a
great forward by M.
All though the whole experience was exilarating and i class this as a
result, i would like to improve my accuracy. Any suggestions?
Ricenpeas
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Topic RE: Charles Pace posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 06:50 AM
Charles Pace considered himself a Setian Priest. His paintings of
religious Egyptian imagery were indicative of his leanings. However, he
was a member of a Witchcraft coven under the auspices of Gerald
Gardner.
He corresponded with Anton LaVey for a number of years and they shared
some similar ideas - predominantly that a religion should be subservient
to the natural inclinations of the individual; rather than the adherent
being subservient to dogmatic rhetoric contrary to one's nature.
Topic RE: Charles Pace posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 07:33 PM
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Topic Charles Pace posted by nimmo User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:46 PM
Does anyone know anything about a character called
Charles Pace ? Recently he has been mentioned in
Luciferian (?) books by a Michael Ford (I've only
read excerpts), but remember some years back that
Anton LaVey mentioned him along with Spare and Crowley
as leading British figures of the LHP in an edition
of the Cloven Hoof.
I've read somewhere however that he was a media junkie
type pandering to the tabloids. Is the guy still alive,
who was/is he and what group did he possibly belong to ?
Regards,
Nimmo.
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Topic RE: protesting against n.a.n posted by kimball User
posted on December 28, 2008 at 03:10 PM
THEY DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE S.A WAS. they thort it was a t-shirt to some metal band. he he
Topic RE: protesting against n.a.n posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 09:37 PM
Hi, what sort of response did you get from the nan population that was present? lol
Topic protesting against n.a.n posted by kimball User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 08:37 PM
The s.a has been the backbone to my life now for 12 years now so i dont
want people to think that i,m cheapning m's work with the following.
I've been to a few occult confrence's and most the time they seem to be
populated by NAN'S or armchair occultist who talk but dont do. So in a
form of protest I went to one with a t-shirt that i printed up myself.It
had the S.A monkish letters on it and under that the word's CLASSICLY
TRAINED. peace and love
Topic Departure. posted by Draconuit-ONU. User
posted on June 30, 2008 at 03:40 AM
Hi, Especially J.K, and Ricenpeas, I particularly enjoyed meeting you,
I've been waiting, hence my available time with the Forum, and thanks to
Graham also. That was sensible, enjoyable good clean fun. Wow! I found
an unexpected bonus after completing the Lucifer thread, too, mmm, too
much for the browsing beginner, but Boy!
Maybe you might want to keep in touch? I'll be looking at emails sometimes, I'd like it, could be fun; no conflict with S.A. Do
What Thou Wilt! Or maybe that, was that, a fresh future beckons....... Whatever;
Sincere Best wishes to All! Light, Life, Love and Liberty!
Topic RE: Satanism etc. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 03:43 AM
Greetings J.K. WOW!
What an eye opener, I've found that what I can only call the mindset, or psycho-spiritual basis is identical to Thelema!
I'd imagine that Crowley is crushed to individuate C.o.S as entirely seperate entity.
I didn't study rituals, however, what an marvelous realisation!
The same principles of liberation/self realization!
Many thanks for that. And your even minded explanation.
Best wishes on your path.
Topic C.o.S. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 01:33 AM
Thankyou J.K. That's plenty to ponder on; re: C.o.S.
I understand your concern, when the years ahesd are less than those
behind. 35? Plenty of time; don't believe me, yet my viewpoint may be
worth consideration. One has seen many things
profound. To my mind, in this, your 2nd(?) magickal projection
unto the malkuth worlds, the point of urgency is self realisation;
communion with The H.G.A. It is necessary to achieve this level of
conciousness, to partake in the Angels rapture, as concious.
Discipline, Devotion, ensures a pleasant ascent.
A nod's as good as a wink.......
Best wishes,Brother.
Topic Satanism etc. posted by JK User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Hello Draconuit, Yes Here I am !
I am not best placed to say what the CoS is or is not as I am
not a representative or Priest. There is a UK Priesthood/Grottos
who my like to comment or you could look at Dr.LaVey's article
on occultism of the past at www.churchofsatan.com
I am not content with any one path and my own evolution like that
of other Satanists I have known is to explore other areas. I can't
say I've ever felt there is a structure to Satanism, rather the
opposite: complete freedom to satisfy oneself by exploring all
options. I think this is quite 'Crowleyan' actually from the view
that he went beyond the GD and did his own thing gaining many
experiences in many paths.
Whereas I have great respect for Dr. LaVey I feel that many satan
-ists of whatever camp make the mistake of falling into a 'religion'
where if the guru criticizes Crowley, they all do likewise. I have
no respect for this unless they can back it up with their own
reasoning. Satanism is meant to be an alternative to herd mentality.
I think your problem with Satanism is probably mirrored in Satanist
-s who can't understand Crowley/Thelema. I think there is a trend
for both paths to have an interest in each other: Thelemites
seeking what may be of value in Satanism and Satanists who feel
Crowley was essentially satanic/LHP.
Of late I have taken an interest in divination and Sigil working
and looking to evolve psychically. I have also felt a real fear
of death in the last few years, now entering my mid thirties so
perhaps this is at the root of my 'spiritual' drive ? That feeling
of immortality or at least that death is ages away that one feels
at age 20 now seems long gone. Perhaps this has some correlation
to the Orthodox Jewish reason for not teaching Kabbalah to men under
40 or the Confucianists not allowing I-Ching study to under 50's ?
Best regards, JK
Topic Probably. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 09:53 PM
You make me smile, Ricenpeas, nice guy.
Best o luck, D.
Topic is it real posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Well Draconuit as Castanada said to Don Jaun "But was i realy a bird, Don Juan". Personaly methinks the Carlsberg way. PROBABLY
Keep smiling its all good
Rienpeas
Topic How it started. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 08:38 PM
For me, age 12, i wanted to get out of a bubble i believed myself
trapped in. Aged 15, I was released from bondage by Mine Holy Guardian
Angel. Thereafter I would project-yesod, explore, etc.
Good fun.
Now here's a thing, previous lives. I experienced regression, as an unexpected petal of the rose, this was in Wales, as said.
Do you think that one examines one's own genetic-race memory,
selecting part's which suit one's current incarnation.
Or do you believe that past lives are factually true?
If factual, have some of us lived a previous esoteric lifetime?
Best wishes,D.
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Topic RE: Togetherness! posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 07:31 PM
Hi hope you're all well and enjoying the Adventure!
J.K! Are you there!I have looked at LaVey's bible, and experienced a core ritual. I am not opposed to the C.o.S. i
simply can't see the point. I've outlined, as able, the Thelemic
structure, in brief, on the A. Crowley thread. Would you be so kind as
to explain the basic aims of C.o.S. please? I'm puzzled.
Best to All.
Topic Let No Way Be My Only Way. No Limitation Be My
Only Limitation posted by Rice N Peas User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 02:42 AM
Thank ONU.
I was addicted to drugs trough my teens and into my early twenties and
managed to turn it all around just over 7 years ago. Through my
addiction i experienced many extremes of human nature in myself and in
others which is swept under the carpet by society. Over the last 7 years
i to have tryed to sweep it all this under the carpet and i had opted
for the wide screen tv and smoothy maker. Its realy not enough so i have
taken to the practice of Magick and i can firmly say i have never felt
so confident and strong in all of my life. Ive heard my fair share of
NAN in my time and none of it fits to what i have seen in the doorways
of Kings Cross and therefor provides no solutions to me. I have chosen
NoWay as my Way.
As a self appointed Novice i have found the S.A invaluble and has cut
away so much of the fodder that packs most of the books aimed at
beginers like myself. Thugh i appreciate using words to explain Magick
is a pain in the pecker, M. and a few others have helped created a very
accesable style that can be experienced by anyone with a positive
attitude and persistance.
I suppose what i have learnt to date would be this. Perception is
reality so i should learn how to look and not take it to seriously.
Enjoy the Ride
Rice N Peas
Topic RE: Togetherness! posted by JK User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 06:25 PM
Greetings to all, and Hello again ONU, Nice idea and I hope maybe
some of the other regular names so far may make a little intro...
My occult journey started at the tender age of 13 when several
spontaneous psychic experiences led me to search the local and
school libraries for books on the paranormal. Started off with
Tarot cards and ouija board and formed a small group of serious
friends one who became Wiccan, the other a Chaos magician, haven't
seen them in many years now. A few years on I discovered the SA
and curiosity led me to Satanism as this was the time of the Satanic
Panic. Joined the Church of Satan at age 18 and formed a small
Satanist group for a while also exploring occultism in general.
Later studies led to a Buddhist phase, Asatru/Odinist phase,
and many other personal searches for what one might call the TRUTH.
At present I am very interested in Paganism, Chaos magic, Thelema,
and developing my psychic awareness with Tarot & I-Ching.
Best to All,
JK
Topic Togetherness! posted by ONU. User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 01:48 AM
Hey Guys! Come on in, the waters lovely! Really, if you will,
why not introduce each other, how did it all start for you?
O.K. my introduction might not be representative of the whole: I'm
getting on, and have much experience. I can also slip, and behave like a
complete twat! I was a baffled beginner once, then a slightly less
baffled mid-ranger, then I was baffled again,.......
How is it for you?
Best Wishes, ONU.
Topic Chill out. posted by ONU. User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 07:52 PM
Hi All.
Denise provided the Earth: Suggestions thread, 'Ricenpeas' provided the
seed, the concept, and I'm the first leaf in this new garden.
About Me: I was born with Magical destiny, I've been with S.A. for
nearly 30 years. In '81, I lived by my white bearded Guru, in Plas-
-y-coed, (Palace in the woods.) South Wales, performing a 14 month
Ritual of The Rosy Cross, complete with Scarlet Woman, land, a nanny
goat and black kitten!(Guru was Thelemite Master.)
My only line of contact with the outside world was 'Lamp of Thoth'
magazine. Well, I was an Adept then, I've evolved but enjoy talking to absolutely any 'grade' of occultists, as long as they're
prepared to work!
I am entirely of Thelema, by birth destiny. However,
I'm entirely open minded concerning any belief systems, and, living in a powerful voo-doo current, would like to understand
African Deities better.
Best 'o' luck.
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Topic To stop a witch posted by Kabo User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 06:41 PM
I have been troubled by a witch every night it is believed that this
witch was responsible of deaths in my family. Can one kind please tell
me what I do or or anything I can use so that this witch is exposed or
to tramp the witch next time the witch comes to my house or anywhere I
will be sleeping, so that people know what this person does. May be this
witch can stop, Please help if you can.
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 07:17 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Karen Tell me, How quick does this money magnet solves financial problems?
I have a loan and credit cards which I am struggling to pay. Can money magnet help?
Yours
In need of help
[Infoburst: That's enough Lizzie, if you haven't received sufficient
encouragement and clarification after all these good people have offered
their personal assurances then another bout of amelioration won't help
you make your mind up and so this thread ends here.
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 07:14 AM
Thank you very much for all your answers, at least I am now clear.
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins posted by Karen User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 02:54 AM
I have a set of these coins (a Chinese golden money magnet). It does NOT
need any blood, mine or anyone else's. It has not harmed me or anyone
else. I think it is helping me think more rationally and clearly about
money, and I am learning to give up negative ideas about my financial
situation; the negative ideas are partly due to depression, and partly
due to confusion about past religious teachings. I hope this message
might be useful to the person who posted the first message...
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 10:56 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:32 PM
My apologies Lizzie.
There is NO risk to your family or yourself with the Money Magnet. It is
there to bring GOOD FORTUNE not BAD FORTUNE. It comes with FULL
instuctions on how to use it and Marabas gives aftersales service should
you feel you are having problems. He even offers a money back
guaranty.
Sometimes in Magick we have to make sacrifices. This means things like
stopping bad habbits or feeling sorry for ourselves, eating healthy or
learning a skill, that sort of thing. They are personel things that help
in our learning and growth. It does not mean killing animals, or other
such nonsense. This is nothing for you to worry about, its a good
thing.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Fear and superstition posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 09:06 PM
Thank you for your answer, Now you made another statement which I can
not understand, "Live your life with a bit of BOTTLE because soon we all
die." What does this statement means.
Now let me be honest with you, This is my first time to be communicating
with someone who know more about magic. I have never done magic before,
either white magic or black magic, my financial problem has laid me to
seek your advice in this money magnet coins.
Please make things plain and clear for me to follow. I am not an english man, English is my second language.
Yours
Lizzie
Topic Fear and superstition posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 08:39 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:28 PM
The SA would not offer this item if it was dangerous. The kind of fears you
have are totally unconnected to reality. Fear is stupid and cripples people.
Why would the universe be out to get you ? Think about it. To hell with fear !
Live your life with a bit of BOTTLE because soon we all die.
[Infoburst: This is a very interesting illustration. Anonymous talks
straight and talks what appears to us to be sense. He tells Lizzie how
it is. His allegory about ' we all die sooner rather than later' (That
is; stop worrying and start doing because otherwise you could piss your
life away in a constant funk) is good advice, yet Lizzie, already in a
state of high confusion caused by an overdose of NAN on the net now
misreads Anonymous's intent due to language difficulties and thinks he
really means someone is going to die! This exacerbates her worst fears.
Some people can only think in literal terms. Unfortunately it is usually
this type of person who gets 'stung' by the NAN sharks because they
appeal to the literal mentality. The question is; Can you save people
from themselves? BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Thank you for your quick answer, But I have one problem, Your answer to
my fears is not very clear. When you say "Sometimes there is sacrifices"
exactly what do you mean in connection with the Money magnet coins?
Please Give the actual facts so that the decision will remain for me to make
Yours
Lizzie
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 07:16 PM
No Lizzie your quite safe, though i think someones been giving you alot
of superstitious waffle. Sometimes Magick requires a sacrifice, usualy a
change in our veiwpoint but its never more than we can give and its
nothing to fear. As for bringing death....SERIOUSLY grab yourself a few
lessons from the list. Youll be suprised at how natural Magick can be.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 06:37 PM
In my first question where asked about blood all what I meant is that
when I get the Money Magnet coins, Are they not going to cause trouble
in my family by causing death without me knowing that the power of the
coins is demanding blood for them to work well? Please let me know, As
these coins work without causing any other problem?
Yours
Lizzie
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Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Hi Lizzie.
1-No. If a person offers you a talisman that contains there own blood there an idiot or scam artist.
2-You can keep the money magnet for life, traditionaly carried with you
to attract good fortune, they are for keeps. Added to this they are
antique, over 900 years old, giving them back would be like giving back
your good fortune.
3-Not even a little bit true. Giving to charity in this way is a cop out
and nothing to do with Karma. Just appreciate your good fortune and use
it to better your situation. Try "Morality,Karma and Retribution" in
the short lessons page for a bit more clarity on this.
Hope this helped
Ricenpeas
Topic Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 08:15 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:18 PM
If there is anyone who has used these Chinese Golden coins, please I
need help to answer me these three questions; 1. Does these coins have
blood on it in order for it to work? 2. Can these coins be destroyed or
returned to sorcerer's apprentice when I do not need them any more
without causing any problems? 3. I have heard many people who offer
money drawing magic, they say that when you make money do not forget to
give to charity. With these coins it is the same, now I am wondering
whether the powers of the coins is the same as the money magic from
different sources which has blood in them? Please clear my fears
quickly, since I want to buy the Chinese Golden coins Yours Lizzie
[Infoburst: (1) Why would the Chinese Golden Money Magnethave blood on it? There is no need for blood.
(2) If you want to close down any talisman or amulet (i.e. stop its
effects) then you simply soak it in Sorcerer's Apprentice Chinese Wash
Purification Fluid (see
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm and scroll down to
Chinese Wash P169 for more info.
(3) If you are getting well on any aspect of magic it makes sense to
pass on the energies to someone else. Under the ancient lore of
threefold return if you give out once you will get back thrice. You
should do this one-to-one. Far better to give a tramp you meet in the
street a couple of quid and look into his eyes than send a tenner to
some charity when only 10p (dime) of it will actually get to the
intended recipient anyway, but the choice is yours.
The information about the Chinese Golden Money Magnet on our website is
very clear and very honest but do you trust it? BB Denise W]
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Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!! posted by ZBeyondR User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 08:48 AM
Greetings,
I purchased the chinese money magnet in 2006, and the very week I got a
new job with higher pay, and even higher prospects than my old one. I am
not financially secure yet, but I know am going towards it.
I don't think though that just the possession of the chinese magnet will attract prosperity, you need to act too...
Good Luck with your artistic creations, and selling...
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!! posted by Karen User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 04:24 AM
Well, I've had ups and downs. My living space needs some serious
decluttering; that would likely improve things from an energetic/feng
shui perspective. I'm not sure what influence the magnet is having at
the moment; it's in the right corner of my apartment, but there hasn't
really been a dramatic change in my situation. Maybe there are other
things I should do that I'm not doing yet? Back in March, my wallet was
stolen (on a bus, no less!); but I got it and all its contents back less
than 24 hours later. Quite remarkable, though I've had to take the
typical precautions against identity theft.
I'm working on ways to attract more money in things I'm already doing,
like performing music and selling original photos and digital artwork
online. I'm always open to suggestions on how to make my efforts more
lucrative. Would carrying one of the magnets be more helpful for making
money from my own creative work? There's much I still need to learn...
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!! posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 08:57 AM
Hi Karen, have you noticed any change or improvement in your
life/circumstances since hanging your money magnet in your apartment
rather than carrying it around with you? I have carried mine around up
til now but have thought about hanging it from the ceiling but wondered
if you or anyone else had seen advantages from doing this. I believe it
is to be hung with the four characters to the top in the southeast
corner if I am correct?
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!! posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 22, 2008 at 09:43 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Hi Jim
I am not a numismatist but I realise there will always be some debate in
academic circles over dates etc for these rare and ancient Chinese
coins. I can only quote you what Marabas says in his instructions which
come with our I-Ching coins.
' These Northern Sung Dynaty I-Ching coins.... were ancient booty
discovered in a sunken war junk which went down off the coast of
Cambodia around 1200AD...the coins were struck over the period 960 to
1140 AD.'
So basically the argument is whether the coins fall into the Tang
(618-907)AD or the Sung Dynasty (960 -1140AD). It is quite possible that
some of these coins are indeed several hundred years older than we have
officially estimated but because we are constantly under scrutiny by
Xists all our advertising claims have to be pitched conservatively and
so we use the '900 years old' statement to be sure of not misleading
anyone. You always get an added plus when you shop with the S.A.!
Glad you liked the quality of the coins. I treasure mine. Unbelievable
first-class condition considering that they were under water for
hundreds of years - maybe that actually protected them from oxidisation?
BTW There are only a few of these coins left now and of course they are
unrepeatable so if you want some please strike quickly on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/i-chings.htm
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!! posted by Jim User
posted on April 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Dear SA,
Can I just point out that these coins are actually OLDER than you are
advertisng them. They are between 1100 to 1400 years old, being from the
Tang Dynasty (618-907 CE) and the ones you sell for divination and on
the money magnet are a lot better quality than ones sourced straight
from China which tend to be badly eroded. This was told to me by the
owner of a coin shop to whom I showed your coins some time back. I have
checked what he told me on the net and every
website agrees, 1100-1400 years old.
Regards,
Jim.
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!! posted by Karen User
posted on April 19, 2008 at 01:54 AM
edited on April 22, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Denise, I have one of the money magnets, that I started out carrying in
my pocket, and then transferred it to the relevant corner of my
apartment. Now, I'm saving up to order a second one to carry again. I do
hope they're still available, and not becoming too scarce? It might be a
month or two before I can get around to that...
[INFOBURST: Hi Karen, there are only a limited number of these coins
left now and of course they are unrepeatable. How long they last depends
on demand but, and this is no sales ploy because you will kick yourself
if you miss 'em, if you are considering another Money Magnet please
strike quickly on www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/moneymag.htm If you are
really 'stuck for brass' as we say in these parts, then you can place a
deposit of 5.00 GBP on a set to secure them for six months at the
current price. Goto www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/paypal.htm and scroll
to the bottom of the page to find our buy-pennies button; click on that
and enter 500 pennies into the quantity column, then when you go to
input your card details make sure you type in the comments/remarks
section that you are placing a deposit on a Money Magnet P44FCMM (or
whatever the item is his deposit system works on all items we sell at a
deposit rate of approx 25 percent of the full price). Hope this makes
sense but if not email me directly for clarification. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!! posted by Denise W User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 03:23 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:30 AM
That's great news William. No matter how many times we hear it, it is
always delightful to hear of clients' good news - and the SA Forum is
just the place to shout it from the rooftops. More proof, if any were
needed after surfing this site, that magic DOES work. Perhaps not in
absolutely every single case but in more cases than one could possibly
imagine. On the basis that producing one pink elephant proves the
existence of prink elephants the S.A. has thousands of cases of
categoric proof that magic, applied intelligently, works very well
indeed and has changed people's lives for the better, lots of people.
And after all, isn't this what it is all about? To give ordinary folk
the magical advantage, especially when they have run out of
physical/mundane options and need help to turn around their lives or get
themselves out of a hole? Of course there will be those every so clever
people surfing this forum who will assume that William is a plant from
the S.A. He's not, but let them scoff and deprive themselves of magick
if they like. The bottom line is that Marabas's Money Magnets come with a
money-back guarantee. He has offered them for years and I can't even
remember one ever being returned! Good luck William and keep on
polishing that Money Magnet. BB Denise W. [Info: go
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/moneymag.htm for more information,
background and buy-now button if required)
Topic Chinese money magnet works !!! posted by William User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 09:22 AM
I have to post this and say a BIG thanks to Marabas
at the same time. Some time back I bought the S.A.'s
Chinese Golden money magnet made of ancient Chinese
I-Ching Coins as I was frustreted that the bank wasn't
budging on my claim for bank charges of £1300.00.
The week before the courts froze these claims my bank paid
out. My credit card and overdraft problems that always seem
to get put on a back burner with MOTs, Xmas, birthdays, etc
all cleared themselves and I am debt free after 8 years in
the red. Things just started to ease themselves into a smoother
track. and in the last week a family member who had loaned me
£500 for a joinery job came into money and told me to forget
the repayment ! I'm putting it all down to the money magnet
as I have NEVER had luck with money before. THANK YOU S.A !!!
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posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM
D is right. ther is no need to moross over having to spend say £15.00 over a train fare into the country to do magical work.
Topic Cemeteries etc. posted by William User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 04:32 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:55 PM
To clarify if needed, my own curiosity was whether such places which are
for the rest and remembrance of the departed are of any use for attuning
to spirit communication, such as having a stroll through, reading the
stones having a seat on the benches provided and trying to pick up on
any feelings. All done quietly and no one would know, in broad daylight.
Next grave to a late friend of mine is actually very beautiful and I wish
more were like it. There's a huge tree at it and the family/friends have
hung windchimes and small yule-tree stars and stuff. the chimes tinkle
away in
the breeze and it's very nice.
..William.
[Infoburst: Well yes William, there are surroundings which are more or
less conducive to bridging the planes and choosing wisely will increase
the chances of a successful contact but one has to be realistic. The
quiet sanctuary of a cemetery may be a comparative haven of solitude in
the middle of a frenetic city but I still wouldn't advise using it as a
place for meditation or spirit contact. To do so misses the fundamental
point that true spirits, being spirits, are everywhere at once anyway,
so it doesn't matter where you contact them. Location can only be of
value to astral shells/shades which are stuck in that place and so are
apt to deceive and mislead those who try to work there. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Graveyards. posted by nome. User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Now I see your point, re: Desecration. I wandered through a cemetary,
12-15 yrs. ago, and saw a magnificent tree, which some young idiots had
carved 'sex' & 'magic' etc. into it, filling the cuts with
spray-paint. I was disgusted, total abuse of nature.
And yes, I have a private Holy Temple, no-one else enters there.
Took me a while to grasp this thread; the last info burst did it. Thankyou muchly!
Topic Stamping on the beliefes of others posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 03:28 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Hanging around graveyards is a bit TV enit. People who go to graveyards
to do rituals are like people who go to the town center to hug a tree.
Its just "look at me" NAN. Graveyards are places where people go to
remeber people and I could see why they would be a bit pissed off with a
load of drama queens stamping on there beliefs. The Aeon has given us
options, lets use em!
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst: When Darkorder started this thread I was in two minds
whether to delete it but then surmised that it would be a good idea to
shed the light of Truth upon this ancient anti-occult stereotype. Yet
even after we have cleared most of the untruths it seems that even
people who should know better are prepared to allow the lie some
breathing room. In doing so they give grist to the mill of the tabloid
hacks and the Xists. The bottom line is that Genuine occultists and
esotericists do not desecrate or disrespect the holy places of others
because they have ones of their own and fully appreciate what the word
'sacred' means. Any glue-head who thinks wearing black and hanging about
in a cemetery somehow makes them a toughie should learn from this
thread that in truth it simply reveals them as just another sad
rebellious adolescent who will probably drop the occult disguise and
become a died in the wool Xist by the time they get to middle-age! BB
Denise W. ]
Topic RE: graveyards posted by no-nome. User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 02:20 AM
Greetings All, may serenity flow.
Of those who progenite the placement of new Aeonic flow: One does know
of two religions, of differing times, with names for this type.They are
Entitled to form their own Religions. Declare their law; It is most
prudent in New Aeonic situation, to work with the word spoken I.E. The
eclectic New Aeonic energies as one 'word'
Here; It is concretised as : S.A. Marabus.
There is a an outrage; Gods shall not be made manifest in places of the dead. Says Denise, in that Her Gods would as Furies be!
For The Marabusen, 'go with the word given' seems appropriate.
Myself? One sees both sides of the coin, then a cube of views/ideas>
resultant in: whichever piece of it you look at, it's all much of a
muchness. A varient of the idea. A cube.
Pleasantries.
Topic Holy Ground. posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 03, 2008 at 07:11 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:08 PM
I was told it's interesting here. Whats a nan? Something you disagree with obviously, but.
I see my old shade chums on a plane other than malkuth. I've never seen a
shade hold cohesion near malkuth for more than two weeks, then
allocation is performed.
Very sorry, I didn't realise you evoke furious gods, I invoke Gods, I've walked right into it, hell. (Thanks, buddy.)
Well. I was impressed by your comments on TAO, I-ching.
Evoking 'gods'of fury. I s'pose im in trouble now.
I spose you'll hunt me now. Even if I have to live in concrete, for now,
I'll stick to invocation of instructive Gods. My mistake.
[Infoburst: NAN= New Age Nonsense, the type of unproductive, wish-washy
opinionating that your message comes perilously close to immitating. I
did not of course say that I invoked furious gods, I said that the gods I
invoke would be furious if I deigned to do so in a Christian cemetery.
BB Denise W.
Topic graveyards posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 26, 2008 at 12:13 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:45 PM
In large city, 'green' is at premium; the parks are taken by the mothers
& kids, they recognise us, & hate us: we, various covens,
practice open air magic in cemetaries; nowhere else to go. Shades? Never
noticed 'em, like the the statues though. Sadly, here, glue was
replaced with heroin & crack long ago. Maybe you're susceptible to
the Elysia, dunno. Maybe you have 'green', we've no choice.
[Infoburst: NAN alert! NAN alert! Everyone always has choice, Anonymous.
What's the point in haunting a graveyard when you can jump a bus or
peddle a bike and find somewhere rural easy-peasy? Personally my gods
would be furious if I attempted to evoke them in a place of the dead and
quite rightly so. I am sure 99 of today's pagans would agree with me on
this. BB Denise W]
Topic Shades of the dead posted by William User
posted on July 25, 2008 at 03:26 AM
Hi Denise,
I was interested in what you said about shades of the cemetery blanketing
all else out.
I often feel an almost claustrophobic feeling if I have to go into a cemetery
especially a very large one which is the the location of my local crematorium
for funerals or to visit the garden of remembrance there, and was wondering if
this is these shades/spirits attempting to communicate, I also feel a kind of
sickly 'warmth' which I also once felt in visiting a cancer ward to see a
friend who was dying.Is this just 'sensitivity' and can it be developed
in any positive way ? eg Can visiting cemeteries open one up to
mediumship if these
shades are so abundant ? I would mean in an unobstrusive way, not anything
ritual.
Regards,
William.
Topic RE: Churches and graveyards posted by Denise W User
posted on January 18, 2008 at 04:43 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Marabas says why on earth would anyone want to 'practice magic' in a
graveyard? This shows a distinct lack of understanding of how entities
occur. Entities exist around us all the time - as a ouija board proves.
You don't have to go to a graveyard to get access to spiritual entities
but if you did so then the shades of the cemetery would blanket
everything else out - hardly a workmanlike experiment in psychic
development! You are right in that many major pagan sacred sites were
indeed comandeered by the early Christians. Firstly they cosied up to
the pagans and built mixed faith churches. In some there were even
side-altars to the Goddess. The Christians used the same tactics
elsewhere. (Spain is full of Churches which were built upon the bases of
destroyed mosques during the expulsions of the Moors and York Minster
is itself built upon a Roman Pagan Temple). However only a small
percentage of pagan sacred sites in the U.K. were used in this way. The
vast majority of churches extant today have sites of no pagan
significance. Additionally Britain is rich with genuine sites of pagan
heritage with stone circles abounding all over the pennines and the
moors. One only has to pick up an Ordnance Survey map to find a handful
wherever you reside. Hence there is plenty of sacred space to go round
without needing to conflict with any other faith-group. Only the peevish
would dis-respect the ancestors of another religious grouping. Do as
you would be done by. Couple this with the fact that most cemeteries
today are the haunt of teenage glue sniffers and any suggestion that
genuine magical workings can be performed at these places becomes a
ludicrous idea technically and spiritually.
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on ouija boards
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm
Topic RE: Churches and graveyards posted by ZBeyondR User
posted on January 16, 2008 at 03:14 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Greetings Dark Order,
do you practise in graveyards?
[Infoburst: No he doesn't, he's just being silly and not thinking things
through. Pagans didn't bury their dead within temples - just as Moslems
don't bury their dead in Mosques. Burying the dead in graveyards is a
Christian idea. Darkorder is right in that the Christians nicked all the
pagan sacred sites (even St Paul's was built over a Roman Temple) and
in the village of Rudston (the Rud Stone) East Yorkshire there's a 30
foot prehistoric menhir right outside the bloody church door to prove
it!) but most town/city cemetries have no such associations and even if
they did just how sacred would they be after over a thousand years of
desecration? BB Denise W.]
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Topic Churches and graveyards posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 09:23 PM
Hi all.I was just wondering if anybody practices magic in graveyards,and
if not why not.I know that old churches were built on ancient pagan
sites which were sacred to the people of old.So i dont understand why
pagans today dont practices in graveyards and connect with the old
ones.You will find yew trees in most churches as well,which was once a
sacred tree to pagans of old.Just wanted your views on this
matter.Blessings Chris.
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Topic Jesus myth - a well tested lie for mind control posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on November 04, 2008 at 12:09 PM
edited on November 07, 2008 at 03:14 PM
It must be remembered that modern society is now built on a pious lie,
cleverly crafted by political activists of old. A lie that is widely -
accepted as the only truth that will save our species from final
damnation and the fires of Hell. The Life force is the Life force, plain
and simple yet fundamentalists who created the Jesus myth back in the
1st century claimed later that a man (who was most likely fictitious)
was the Son of God. This chap never left any writing done by himself
behind and all the so-called evidence (biblical and indeed non-biblical)
for his presumed historicity is easily disprovable propaganda, fantasy
and hearsay; nothing more.
However, society has been drip fed tales about the Jesus Myth for so
long that we now accept alleged truths about this 'man-god' largely
without so much as a single question. This is just the way the powers
that be like it for it's a wonderful time-tested lever to pull us into
compliance at their continence.
For God and Country lads - over the top and never mind those machine guns ...... Ad finitum......
[Infoburst - Hi Sandygrounds. It is true that there is much
incontrovertible evidence that Jesus did not exist and some scientists
and researchers have been trying to get this across to the public for
decades. One in particular who has striven more than most and has all
the facts to hand is Michael Roll - he once wrote a superb overview of
this debate
for the Lamp of Thoth Magazine but we haven't heard from him for years . You can see some of Michael's stuff on
http://www.cfpf.org.uk Say hello to him for me when you see him. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Halloween posted by sylvia and chris User
posted on November 01, 2008 at 06:22 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 11:11 AM
I feel all faiths and celebrations for each year should be respected and
appreciated as long as the faith or celebration does not cause serious
harm or damage or death to a person.
Halloween is seen as a celebration for spiritual purposes as well as the
time of bonfire night approaching, there are people who strongly
believe in the afterlife and there are people who do not, people who do
not believe in a certain faith or celebration should not criticise and
demand a ban on it as long as it is a safe practicing faith and does no
harm to another person.
There are things people should worry about more in this world and focus
on removing the evils like terrorism, violence etc from the world rather
than panic about a halloween celebration ban.
Respect each other, help each other in times of need,to many people turn
a blind eye to crime and things and the world is getting out of control
by not doing things like they used to by helping each other.
not being anti, just pointing out life is getting harder to survive and
the world needs healing.Fireworks get in the wrong hands these days,
people fear them rather than enjoy them, selling these in shops should
be banned and only allow proper safe displays.
[Infoburst: I appreciate your sentiments of peace and liberality but
there's a contradiction in your thinking. The qualification 'As long as
faiths don't cause harm'. There's more blood on the hands of the world's
largest religions than could ever be put onto minority beliefs - and
there are plenty of truly honourable attempts to do good which
inadvertently cause harm, so harm itself is not the criterion for
banning or not banning. And neither is danger. It is a retrograde step
to ban anything with risk just because a few troublemakers can misuse
it. Life has risks and politicians cannot remove risks. They know it but
try to fool you into thinking otherwise.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Halloween Church of England posted by PaddyMagick User
posted on October 30, 2008 at 05:25 PM
No Guy on the bonfire, though you used to get the odd Maggy.
Smiles
Topic Halloween Church of England posted by AnnB User
posted on October 28, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Dear Denise thankyou for jogging the little grey cells I was going to
write on this subject the fact the Irish don't celebrate Nov.5th for the
reason of Guy Fawkes being burnt on the fire. Instead they celebrate
Halloween with fireworks
Each to own though it gets a little muddled somewhere in peoples heads
Topic RE: Halloween posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 22, 2008 at 01:31 PM
Hi Lily, I agree we should all respect the faith of others as long as
there not using it as a stick to beat me with. The trouble seems to
arise when people assosiate there ideas with the source of all creation,
God. By even saying the word God we personify Him/Her and some go on to
say that God is this, or God is that, even with there own system of
belife saying that God is everything. For most Celebrating God gives
purpose and forfilment but to some it gives them a Crusaid, which is
what is happening here with the BANNING of a Pagan festival.
BestWishes
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Halloween posted by lily User
posted on October 22, 2008 at 12:06 PM
edited on October 27, 2008 at 04:53 PM
.......all faiths have some value, icluding the church of e. I was
brought up a Catholic and love going to Fireworks nights pumpkins etc
etc but I would say there is only one God, who is the Creator of all and
whom we should all have respect/reverence.
[Infoburst: Ah well lily, you should go to our other thread for the 'one
god' debate because someone there might have a god you don't like and
on your premiss above it would still be the One god which you would have
to adhere to. Initiates say that people make gods in their own image to
fulfill a missing part of their own psychology. When you said that as a
catholic you love going to Fireworks displays at this time of year I
wonder if you are aware that the burning of the effigy of Guy Fawkes
here on November 5th is a Puritan celebration of the defeat of papism in
the U.K. and an institutionalised form of anti-Catholicism not far
removed from Kristelnacht but nicely camouflaged behind the ancient Need
Fires of the pagan festival of Samhain! Would that be the one Catholic
God, or the one Protestant God then? Makes you fink donnit? BB Denise W.
]
Topic Halloween posted by AnnB User
posted on October 20, 2008 at 05:13 PM
Forgot to mention the Carthars wiped out for their beliefs
and during a transfigration I saw with a friend once a most malevolent
Crusader came through staring straight at me challenging me to bow my
head in fear but me I just stared straight back and he was the first to
look away. That took a lot of faith and a lot of belief but I called on
all I think of to protect me.
Topic Halloween posted by AnnB User
posted on October 20, 2008 at 05:06 PM
Sorry better late than have just signed your worthy petition
No one has the right to foist their beliefs on anyone and to treat a
child to such misery is totally abhorrent to a clucking hen like me I
defy anyone to teach or hurt my grandchildren in any way.
Halloween is great fun for the tinies and we love to see them going
round in their littlecostumes completely innocent of all things as they
should be.
Keep alive your faith it is a precious thing it gives you peace and dignity.
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HALLOWEEN posted by Julian Karswell User
posted on October 20, 2008 at 12:29 PM
edited on October 20, 2008 at 01:57 PM
When I saw the Anglicans trying to link Samhain with child harm on their
website, and by implication painting those who celebrate the festival
with child abuse, I was floored.
Occasionally I awake with nightmares - I'm reliving a childhood terror.
My Church of England Junior school took a school party to visit a
church. I'd recently had death brought into my life for the first time
by my Grandfather's passing. Still trying to recover from this
frightening event, I, with the rest of my class, was forced to sit in a
side chapel at church, staring at a grey stone carving of human skulls
with serpents slithering through them. Whilst mortified by this image,
we were told how we were inherently evil, and that our only hope in the
long term was to keep Jesus pleased with us.
No message of love, no hope (unless you were really good, we were told -
but then, we were reminded, given the way the world was set up in
original sin, we were quite likely to fail), we were miserable kids
whose only worth was provided by someone else - God.
Now, 40 years on, I still wake at night with the image of those skulls in my mind, bleak and terrifying.
I feel some runes coming on*
* Fundamentalists - this last bit - about the runes - is just a joke. It
was only a film (or short story depending how educated you are).
[Infoburst: You make some VERY pertinent points Julian. The most
important one is this. Are the lives of Christians corrupted due to
being indoctrinated with the fear of death as children before they can
discern the truth for themselves. The Jesuits had a saying: Give me a
child before he is 8 and I will show you the man. Marabas thinks it is
indicative that Christian fundamentalists are always the ones who claim
to know most about evil and the first to point the finger of guilt at
other religions whose approach to death is different. What say you. BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN TO BAN HALLOWEEN posted by Paul User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 01:19 PM
I've passed the link to those that I know and will forward it onto other sites.
Happy Samhain!
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Topic RE: CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN TO BAN HALLOWEEN posted by Denise W. User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 08:36 AM
edited on October 08, 2008 at 08:42 AM
Thanks for supporting John's excellent Petition Sheila. Looking at his website
( http://halloweenchoiceorg.bravehost.com) I am really surprised that so
few people from this forum have bothered to add their name to this
petition. The ones that haven't will no doubt be the first in the queue
to complain when the evangelist extremists who thought up this campaign
move on to directly challenging their own beliefs. You can vote on this
issue purely on human rights grounds - you don't have to be a confirmed
pagan to cast your on-line vote or to put your name on the petition.
However many pagans do not see the ramifications of the CofE's move. The
end result of what the CofE are trying to establish is that observing
Halloween causes harm to children and if you are a pagan and have kids
then you should be suspected of psychological child abuse (a definition
that comes well within the government guidelines giving social workers
justification to act on their prejudices!). I have obviously voted, and
want to give John all the support necessary for him to counter this
pernicious attempt to oppress free-thinkers. Please vote using the link
to his page above and also let all your esoteric contacts know (pagan or
otherwise) about the campaign so that we nip this in the bud. BB Denise
W.
Topic Samhain posted by Mouse User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 09:58 PM
Well said, John; I have just sent the halloweenchoiceorg address details
to two pagan lists I belong to, and signed the petition myself.
Honestly, the C of E wouldn't dare organise an alternative event to
Ramadan, and tell people that fasting is bad for their children's
health! The worst thing your average child is going to get from
celebrating Halloween is an upset stomach from eating too many sweets
(something they could do any day of the year!)
Blessings,
Sheila
Topic CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN TO BAN HALLOWEEN posted by john shepherd User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:16 PM
edited on October 03, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Hi there, I am a regular user of pagan forums on the net and was shocked
to discover that the Church of England has just put its weight behind
an evangelical campaign to ban Halloween. Problem is that so few pagans
are aware of it. We have of course become inured with the usual yearly
opinionating by vicars in the local press but this is something much
more dangerous. The CofE has sanctioned religious persecution and given
the green light to evangelist extremists. You can see the tone if you
read the Telegraph report on it at
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2977644/Church-of-England-claims-Halloween-is-similar-to-Christmas-Eve.html
Anyway I think every true pagan should be up-in-arms over this insult -
and believe it directly breaches the religous hatred laws. I have set up
an on-line petition with more background to the CofE campaign on
http://halloweenchoiceorg.bravehost.com
so if any pagans want to see what's up and register their opinions then
please click on that link and go to the bottom of the homepage for the
petition and associated links. Don't let the evangelical extremists in
the CofE do your beliefs down! Remember, these are the same people the
Pagan Federation have been cooperating with under the banner of
Multifaith! They have no excuse of ignorance. BB John Shepherd
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Topic RE: cleaning magical robes posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Excellent, thanks!
Topic RE: cleaning magical robes posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 14, 2009 at 09:46 AM
edited on January 20, 2009 at 08:53 AM
A very thorough explanation Denise, thank you. I am merely a beginner so
your update was very helpful. I assumed everything wanted to be 'clean'
for each rite. Does the same go for alter cloths as that does get quite
dirty.
[Infoburst: Hi, As with everything in magic it depends on what your
intent is. Most witches and magicians consider all of their work as a
sequential development of their spirit therefore will want to keep the
'contagion' of energies in all their rites, just as they will also want
to keep a magical diary of what they did and what the results were. Thus
initiates will not wash their altar cloths frequently if at all. They
certainly wouldn't wash them with a purifying liquid such as Chinese
Wash. However, if you are just performing the occasional magic spell for
a particular purpose then it doesn't matter so much if your altar cloth
or robe has been psychically attenuated through washing - but I still
wouldn't use Chinese Wash in the water. ;-) BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: cleaning magical robes posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 06:03 PM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 01:45 PM
Hi Kimball, I have wondered the same in the past both with robes and my
alter cloth. I have added a couple of capfuls of chinese wash in the
machine with my usual powder in the past.
[Infoburst: Hi Kimball, Anonymous, There's some confusion in your
answer. Chinese Wash is a purifying concoction. It helps absorb and
cleanse all psychometric vibrations from the objects washed with it.
Chinese Wash is ideal for purifying your magical tools or anything else
which has been desecrated (e.g. touched by the profane or contracted
negative energies). For instance, if you give Runic readings and someone
with a very negative future handles and casts the runes you can clean
them afterwards with Chinese Wash so they are pristine for a subsequent
reading. A Robe washed in water with some Chinese Wash added will
therefore be stripped of all its psychometric vibrations and come out
completely psychically clean. This may be useful in some instances but
items worn in the circle will contract and compound the energies
summoned and most Witches and Magicians will seek to keep those
energies, thus will in normal circumstances not use Chinese Wash in the
wash water for the robe. This is why robes are rarely washed and why
most experienced magicians/witches go for Black or Dark Brown robes
instead of white ones (which obviously show the dirt more!). So washing
infrequently is the key and Marabas recommends applying removable
talismans, amulets and decorations to the robe at the start. These will
then contract the energies from your workings in the same way as the
robe, and you can take the sigils/amulets off before washing. When you
put them back on again afterwards the robe will be 'in tune' with your
magic again. BB Denise W.
Topic cleaning magical robes posted by kimball User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 11:54 AM
does any one know how to clean magical robes with out the robe losing it's magical intgrety. thank you
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Topic aos posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Better to prey than to pray, with strived conceit to bring forth....
Topic Collected writings of Austin Osman Spare posted by AJ User
posted on August 03, 2008 at 05:38 AM
Does Sorcerer's Apprentice still sell Marabas's 'Collected writings of
Austin Osman Spare' ? and also can you tell me which works by AOS
were in Marabas's book ? Is there a possibility of a reprint if
Marabas's edition is out of print ? I have heard that Pete Carroll also
collaborated in this edition; Was this before SA did the first run of
Liber Null ?
Thanks, AJ
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Topic Compasion posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Love n compassion sorry to say come from within all u can do is give.
Others have their own paths n misunderstandings. For those that know
"help each other evolve"
Topic Banishing Ritual. posted by nome. User
posted on August 14, 2008 at 05:53 PM
Hi Karen,
I must go on holiday/retreat for 4-6 months.
'Rice'n'peas' has explained this for you, He's well clued in to modern
S.A. methods; a good guide, no bull, or NAN, as I've come to know it.
Best wishes One and All.
Topic RE: Preaching Dogma. posted by Karen User
posted on August 12, 2008 at 02:44 AM
A banishing ritual such as you describe would really come in handy for
me right now (perhaps you might expand on it?), as I have been seething
in anger and frustration recently over RL money troubles. I used to do a
really nice relaxing meditation about floating in the midst of a
galaxy; maybe I'd best dust that off now and try it again, before I go
nuts and start throwing things at some innocent bystander.
Yes, I have been reading your thread here, no worries...
Topic Preaching Dogma. posted by nome. User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 06:51 PM
Looking at my own writing, I'm verging on some form of dogmatic
Preaching! My psychology is transparent; I seem to have started this
thread whilst considering an action which would damage a mans
reputation.
I've decided to leave the matter with Higher planes, go on a retreat.
Here's a present, have you tried it? Perform The banishing Ritual etc.
and visualise yourself rocketing up into space, the world disappearing
below, as you use your Will and heart as high as you can, now rest, look
around. No doubt loads of you are familiar with it. Have a good
one!(And always remember to return to your body fully :-)
Topic RE: Compassion. posted by nome User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 02:53 AM
Serenity: One and All,
Hi guys, to go further, I need someone to present an equal &
opposite viewpoint, a Bhuddist perhaps, who extols the virtues of
compassion etc. Then we put the two ideas together, each 'dying' in the
counterclasp of it's opposite, thereby resulting in 0, or in this case, a
third element : 1 resultant from 2.
Thereby, we can elevate/internalise a stage, and, well, We'll
see if destiny goes that way.
Have fun.
Topic RE: Compassion. posted by nome. User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 10:29 AM
That was poorly phrased; Did you hear the one about the brass God, built with feet of clay? It fell over.
I meant, it's not 'evil' to consider that 'charity begins at home.'
'Firstly, put your own house in order.' rather than wasting energy in
ultimately futile, even self harming, pursuits.
When you have built a solid foundation, and expanded, you may be able to afford to help others.
When Crowley observed disaster, often clothed as a woman, looming on his
desciples, He'd warn them, once. Then, He'd simply observe. He watched
12 of His loved ones get blasted.
I started off on The Path, with a soul full of compassion. I still do 'good', I'm not a monster, I'm a realist.
That's all you're getting, and it's more than you deserve:)
Topic Compassion. posted by nome. User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 01:50 AM
I'll try this, my heart's good, yet I am very blunt.
Dear 'Ja sand an sky', I wonder where you live, and if you've tried this
'kindness and empathy' approach? I live in London. I've tried
compassion to many. Londoners, compared to country folk, can be ruthless
nasty people. To display 'goodness' in the form of giving food, shelter
etc. is generally considered weakness, how many times do you need to be
robbed, beaten, emotionally drained, until you realise you're doing
something wrong?
It would seem preferable, to me, to have my head metaphorically bitten off, than walk, unprepared, unguided, into a lion's den.
I'm not proud of the situation here, I called you 'jam sandwich' because
if you moved to 'The Smoke' if you are an adult, with the
attitude you propose, you'd get more than a metaphor for your troubles.
RE: Lavey; not all vampires drink blood; have you never felt yourself
emotionally drained by a needy person sharing their problems? Do you not
have family, a Mum maybe, or close circle of Friends, who need your
emotional support? Do you never tire?
This writing is a compassion. Yet I'm sworn to aid fellow aspirants,
where possible. If one person realises it's not 'evil' to be firm, not
blasting your energy off in pointless pursuit, along the lines of
'Charity begins at home' 'Make sure your house is in order' then it's
been worthwhile writing this.
Do you consider this an unfair criticism? If you intend walking
confidently through the inner planes, you will require a a potent regime
of self regulation, not easy. Being warned of the possible pitfalls you
face, is a gift for you. Good luck/self generated karma.
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Topic RE: Contacting Gods posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:30 PM
edited on April 29, 2008 at 03:31 PM
I guess we had to come to this point sooner or later so here it is: This
is an open public forum; the discussion of genuine supernatural
experiences by advanced magical exponents is bound to lead to
contributions from susceptible people who are having difficulty coping
due to stressful situations of which we are unaware and who think their
experiences are the same. It is important for genuine seekers not to
confuse the issue in reverse. Every experience of bright lights and
visions may not be a genuine psychic experience and very often people
who need to look at more mundane reasons can be mislead away from it by
other seekers assuming that they are of the same level and understand
the initiated terminology when they don't. I am on orders to try to
steer this forum away from these types of discussion. The reason is
clear. It is simply not possible to definitively help another person who
is in a chronic situation which may have built up over decades in a 250
word reply. Wanting to help is a natural desire, but contributors
should not recommend any action to anyone else on these issues unless
they are satisifed that they are fully conversant with the querent's
situation, medical and otherwise. Circumspection is the key. William, if
you would like to send an email to me directly at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
outlining your medical history, what psychic experiences you have
suffered and what magical operations you have undertaken to date I will
ask Marabas for a response for you. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Contacting Gods posted by Karen User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Oh, my, sounds like your psychic shield may have been disturbed to some
degree; especially if you undertook your spiritual exercises with any
degree of fear or anxiety. I don't know of any good advice to give, but I
had a paranormal experience once that left me very psychically open,
and gave me the feeling of swinging from side to side in and out of my
body. Fortunately, a friend of mine (also my first shamanism teacher)
gave me directions for an upper-world journey (based on Jack and the
Beanstalk, of all things); and it worked in getting my psychic shield
realigned. I'm still a bit more sensitive than I was before, but the
healing worked, in any case. I don't know if this is what you need or
not; but I recommend a good professional consultation with a specialist
in psychic defense issues and possibly soul retrieval. All the best to
you, William, and take care of yourself!
Topic RE: Contacting Gods posted by William H User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:27 PM
Dear Thelemite 8,
Thank you for your reply.
I am definitely onto something and have taken your
advice. Also having some increased experiences in
lucid dreams, meeting personalities in dreams, etc.
Regards, WH
Topic RE: Contacting Gods posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Hi William,
You seem to have overlooked 'Opening The Temple.'
Observe, if you will, that all esoteric Ritual, be it Wiccian, Thelemite
or wot-not,begins with a banishing; a purification and consecration.
You make no mention of casting a circle of any form.
I do imagine that You have been fortunate, that you have only, disturbed an entity's habitat.
Fortune also smiles on You, in that Frater Marabus supplies
'quickie spells' that should alleviate your discomfort.
If you explain your situation to The S.A, they will supply you
with the appropriate knowledge.
A clear idea of path would help, E.G. Qabala or Wicca? A clear
statement of intent, : invoking a specific God is also a good
idea for the beginner to contemplate.
All beginners, will hear voices, if you do well, you will experience
full manifestation of entities, as you intend; to communicate
telepathically during Ritual is normal, as I percieve it. To have no
control over the situation is, probably the plight
of the psychotic.
To any beginners out there, it is wise to prepare yourselves with the formalities of ritual, and prepare to work hard.
Aside from this 'false start', William, you seem to be achieving a
degree of success. S.A. supply a vast range of knowledge, enjoy the
ride!
Topic Contacting Gods posted by William H User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:25 PM
William H
Mar-09-2008 02:40 AM
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Recently I have been trying to seek a God. I have often went to a quiet
place and meditated and prayed for my God/s to reveal themselves to me. I
have looked up various Gods of different pantheons that I feel some
affinity with. I also try and get a feeling of closeness to the
'divine'through running and hard exercise which I find is good for
overcoming the ego, and having
nice countryside all around.
The past few weeks I've had some weird experiences, a lightness and
faint-feeling where I feel half-out of body, and the past few days I
feel as though there is an almost electric energy field around me which
is sometimes so strong the skin of my scalp tightens up and I get
shivers down my neck and a queezy, dizzy feeling. I recently went to a
secluded dark room to try and meditate to open my mind to this 'force'
but it felt so overwhelming like I had a voice in my head saying 'get
out !' I was really scared. I feel as though someone or something is
trying to speak to me, maybe not in actual words, but communicate on
some level, but the signal is not coming through properly. Does this
make sense to anyone ? I'm not a paranoid schizophrenic or at least I
don't think so !
Rgds,
William.
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Topic RE: Control spell. posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:58 PM
has it worked as yet??
Did she fall in love with you as you had hoped? Any change at all??
Topic Demons and conscentration posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Hi T. Your mind affects consensus reality as you have experienced
already. Conscentration comes with practice and practice alone. your
personel demons? thats another thread. M prescribes staring at a dot
drawn on a peace of card a few feet away from you though you could
expand that practice with rythmic breating and pushing out thoughts.
Crowleys yoga is exellent and so is Pete Carrolls Liber MMM. Opening
Gateways from M. is also a great way forwards. A very gentle but very
effective course.
Best Wishes
Ricenpeas
Thanks for the recommendation Ricenpeas. Just to clarify; Opening Gateways is not actually by Fra Marabas but by Frater Sisto.
For more info and a buy-now order button goto http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Control spell. posted by kimball User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 09:09 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:56 AM
with regard to inner demons. have you try marabas's self exorcisem oexp it has done the trick for me.
best.
[Infoburst: Marabas's OEXP028 SELF-REGULATING EXORCISM RITUAL is available direct for instant download right now.
Click on this link http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm then scroll down to OEXP028 for more info. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Focus. posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 01:04 AM
Hi, I've re-read your posting T, what you seem to require is study of
one pointedness. I expect S.A. have something explaining this practice,
hard work, but very neccessary.
If you can't find reference, I'll post a common Tibetan Bhuddist technique. Best Wishes.
Topic RE: Control spell. posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Hi T, yes, indeed. I see. My last entry, below, is MY path, I
reccomend a slow steady approach, there's a beginners thread,
which reccomends an 11 stage progression. It's typical of my
Holy Guardian Angel, to throw me in at the deep end.
I'm Geburic, born under Mars, cast into The sphere of Geburah,
and destined to be a Thelemite; a warrior religion, my life
has produced a thoroughly trained warrior. Ironic, as I was a pacifist, or maybe the point.
I'm glad Denise hasn't been harsh with me, I can be quite a pain
in the proverbial. However, I'm pro Humanity, and pro S.A.
I scoured the world, seeing how lodges behave, then discovered, the best
of them is where I started! Frater Marabus is currently The best
Magician in Britain, that I've found, I've looked high.
You're in a good place.
You puzzle me vaguely, T, in a good way. I can't read you, which might
sound eccentric. My current thinking is that you may have an exceptional
future ahead. Best Wishes! Must dash.
Topic RE: Control spell. posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 17, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Greetings once again ONU, may I draw your attention back to my earlier
posting please. You will see that Denise has added a bit to it which
will be of benefit to us both I believe. T
Topic RE: Control spell. posted by ONU User
posted on June 17, 2008 at 01:39 AM
Greetings T. Magick exists. To my surprise, 4 people such as yourself
have contacted me, in a short space of time;(One evening.)
Don't believe Me, young one, consider, if you will, that my
viewpoint may hold some validity: Believe only your personal
experience, backed, preferably by book explanation. Of course, I'll help you understand your path. Personal demons?
'They released me unto the Etheric planes age 15, where for four years I
battled demons, met Gods, without a clue that this was 'Magick' Please
be concise in question, e.g. what do you percieve as 'personal demon?
Really tired, must sleep. Blessings.
Topic RE: Control spell. posted by T User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Greetings ONU, Thank you Sir for your offer. Although very interested
and curious I was unsure if magic really exsisted outside fairytales and
tv. I had 'drifted' along 'experimenting' with magic gaining snippets
of information from different sources under the 'guidance' if I can use
that word of people whose ego's outweighed their knowledge and therefore
probably caused more problems for myself than I solved. It's true that
although I did not realise at the time, I was getting results from my
sloppy magic but my focus was wrong and I was getting exactly what I
asked for but there was the problem. Then 'as if by magic' I found the
SA and have had some good results with their oils and with the binding
spell. Love magic is where I stumble though as I find it very difficult
to focus during a rite, maybe this is more to do with my own inner
demons? What are your views on this subject? Is this the most difficult
as I see many people have posted comments about it not working. I
disagree as I believe anything is possible providing you want it bad
enough.
T
Topic RE: Control spell. posted by ONU. User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 01:24 AM
Greetings 'I'; Rectificiando, a term meaning 'to put right a wrong' loosely. You wondered if I could offer further insight.
As able, certainly. In relation to my error, I follow certain personal
rules:(a) Never make forum comments unless entirely confident concerning
subject.
(b) Don't assume, check!
Why did I not follow my own rules? A whining excuse, or objective view
is, I was beyond exhaustion, following a malicious, prolonged battle
with a brute. But I am not a beginner, had I behaved so stupidly during a
Magickal operation, I dread to ponder on the out-
-come! You seem a promising young(?) Man, (Your words resonate as
thoughtful, male.)If you wish to ask my opinion on any occult
Topic, please do. Don't fret about critical opinion of me, you didn't
make pointless snide comments, I'm grateful for your alert
to my error.
I'm no longer young, it's time to pass my knowledge on. I found S.A.
around 1979, the same year I, a young buck Magician, was chosen as
suitable Chela to a white bearded old rogue, who was to be my Guru for 6
yrs. Thelema had found Me, as was/is my destined life experience. After
a year or so, I discovered E, my guru was a Thelemite Master. He's long
departed, yet my relationship with S.A. endures, I feel a certain pride
at being of The S.A.O.S. I have met
many lodges, magicians, in this country,(England)and find it a very good
place to be;The S.A., I help, if able. you'd be surprised at
'those who masquerade', or maybe not, you mention many self appointed
what-nots. Well, I shall conclude a brief, concise description of the
Thelemic inner orders, as a lot of disinformation seems predominant, and
there, I am entirely on solid ground, no chance of serious error. Then,
I must concentrate on certain matters, leaving me little forum time. My
point; if you have queries with which I may be able to assist your
quest, please ask, sooner rather than later.
Light, Life, Love and Liberty.
Topic Control spell. posted by ONU. User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 05:37 PM
Hell! I've just read the instructions and have really messed up
here. I was attacked, and applied the wrong type of force.
However, I was not using Fr. M's system.
Yes, I do have great respect for Frater Marabus, and with very
good reason.
That was an error I certainly won't make again.
I apologise entirely to S.A. and all I may have confused.
I really should know better than to confuse systems, I'm very
perturbed at my stupidity. I'm sorry. Best Wishes.
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Topic RE: Control spell. posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 05:23 PM
Many sincere thanks I(?) for pointing this out. I particularly respect your polite attitude.
I wasn't aware of this, and only decided to make comment when the thread seemed 'stuck'
Basically, I've made an error. I havn't read all of Fr. Marabus's
spells, by a long shot, wish I had/can those I have read are,
well, excellent. I'm pretty sick with myself for not thorouly researching before commenting. No excuses.
Many thanks for pointing this out, I shall meditate. Thankyou.
With sincere Best Wishes to All.
Topic RE: Control spell. posted by T User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:45 AM
Hi, this reply is to ONU really. If I may bring your attention to your
comment; 'To repeat the operation implies doubt, which will hamper, even
drag down the original swift arrow.'
I don't wish to offend you but I have purchased Marabas's Lovespell kit
which actually says that beginners may wish to compound their magic by
repeating the spell if they felt they worked it incorrectly or feebly,
which will make it stronger and work quicker. I am only a beginner and
seek experience and knowledge rather than to get under anyones skin so
please take this as that and not as a critisism. I listened to far too
many self acclaimed experts before finding the SA but I have followed
you around the forum and you are obviously very knowledgeable and you
seem to have great respect for Marabas as do many others (myself
included) so felt I had to query your comments. I hope you will take
this in the manner it was intended and offer me further insight? Thank
you
[Infoburst: Greetings T. Marabas's spells are designed for beginners.
One of their problems is that they often do not have sufficient belief
in magic and are often so anxious when working a spell that they may
feel that they haven't done the spell justice or made the right
'connections' on the astral. For people who feel that their magic has
not hit home re-working the spell is a BENEFIT which outweighs the
general rule evinced by experienced magicians that magic should not be
harked upon after being cast. There are complex technical reasons why
this is so to do with the way the conscious and subconscious mind
communicates. However experienced magicians simply do not doubt. So
Marabas here again shows his wisdom by catering in his spellkits
specifically for the mind-set of beginners to give them the best
possible chance of success. (see M's range of spellkits for most
purposes on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm
. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Control spell. posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Hi, it was the SA's spellkit and instructions were to inject commands
nightly until I got my result. Still there are no signs of change in the
target. I am only a novice but had expected things to have happened
before now.
Topic Control spell. posted by ONU User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 04:34 AM
Did you apply the correct force, with a link?
One should arrange the operation, raise power and let fly, without further attachment, the Will wends its way.
To repeat the operation implies doubt, which will hamper, even drag down the original swift arrow.
( This is Thelemic theory, expressed by Marabus as same concept.)
Once prepared, released, leave the magick, if you will, until prompted to view results. Happy Hunting.
Topic RE: Control and command spell posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Hi Tony, I have had some success with this but i have only bound the
target and that was enough to stop them interferring without giving
commands so i'm afraid i can't help you with that side of things.
Topic Control and command spell posted by Tony User
posted on May 09, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Hi all, I've worked the spell and was wondering how many of you out
there had done this and how it went? I have been giving my target
commands for about 2 weeks but any divination shows no change in the
targets attitude. Am I doing something wrong? why isn't my target doing
as I order?
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Topic Serendipity. posted by Druid User
posted on September 10, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Thanks for that, Michael, hadn't heard of it.
Might one ask, are you Lady Moonray's brother?
If so, where the hell are you! PLEASE get in touch, important!
Many thanks.
(Sorry to have gone off thread.)
Topic Thelemic Primer posted by Michael User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 08:41 AM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:13 PM
As well as LM Duquette's Magick of Thelema there is also
Rodney Orpheus' Abrahadabra, recently reprinted, a guide
to starting solitary Thelemick Magick. He mentions working
with Marabas to develop Temple of Thelema incense.
Rgds, Michael.
[Infoburst:
To obtain the S.A.'s Original Temple of Thelema Incense click here and
scroll down the A-Z list to Temple of Thelema, BB Denise W.
Topic L.M. DuQuette's works. posted by Babalonuit888. User
posted on September 06, 2008 at 04:51 PM
Greetings,
Lon Milo DuQuette, is a fine Thelemic interperator of Crowleys work.
He's the first to say that some, will disagree with certain of his
viewpoints, an open minded, wise Fellow.
I wish to alert the seeker to a gem, a book entitled 'The Magick of
Thelema' By L.M. DuQuette: It contains the main rituals, (Copied into my
B.o.S) with clear explanation. Printed in '93, if it's in print, S.A.
will have it. An essential part of S.A.'s allure, they stock the most,
mmm, hard to obtain books. This one's certainly a must for ones
library!
Best to One and All.
Topic Book of Thoth/L.M. Duquette's book posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Hi Jim,
It's intended to be supplemental and a primer to the Book of Thoth
but not in any way to replace it. The author recommends reading the
Book of Thoth until it falls apart then buying a new copy ! In many
ways it is also a beginners book on Thelema explaining the Aeons
and deities etc rather than divination.
Best regards,
John.
Topic RE: OH! posted by Jim Boyd User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 06:12 PM
Thanks to John and Samebody for your replies.
It is actually quite hard to even see the
squiggly 'embroidery'. Does SA sell Mr. Duquette's
book on the Thoth deck, is it simpler than the
Book of Thoth or just supplemental ?
Jim B.
Topic OH! posted by same body. User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 02:19 PM
A thousand apologies, my eyesight? Need fresh pack? Sorry.
Kinda touched a nerve, as the whole 418 formula may be said to revolve around Cheth, (cheth-yod-tau=418) the chariot.
Mr. DuQuette, tends to be right with details.
Glad that's cleared up, thanks.
All the best.
Topic RE: Error/Abrahadabra Chariot card posted by John W User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Hello Jim Boyd & J. Same Body,
What Jim sees is not just his conception or a joke pack of cards,
and the answer if there is one is not to be found in the Book of
Thoth either. The Hebrew letter of the Chariot is Cheth which
spelled in full enumerates 418 as does Abrahadabra, but for some
reason Lady Harris in her correspondence with AC uses the word
Abracadabra (Harris to AC, May 11, 1941: "The alteration of
Abracadabra (Charioteer) and the Taurus disk card are complete..")
Also re Abrahadabra: "This word (with a slight Lady Harris TYPO)
can be seen EMBROIDERED in the canopy of the Chariot...")-
quotations from 'Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot'
by Lon Milo Duquette, an officer of the OTO.
Best to All,
John.
Topic Error. posted by J. Same Body. User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 03:50 AM
Hi Jim,
Neither abracadabra or abraca Cadabra appear on the 'banner'.
What you see/state is your conception, unless you have a joke pack of cards.
The genuine article: Thoth Tarot cards, including the little book, which answers your question,
and the Book of Thoth, are available from S.A. and are the genuine articles.
Good luck.
Topic Thoth Tarot: 'AbraCadabra' & the Chariot posted by Jim Boyd User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 08:15 PM
Hello and Greetings,
Just ran across this forum and seen this thread on the magnificent THOTH
Tarot. A niggly point that's bugged me for years about this deck which I
truly love: Why is the word Abracadabra with a C in the middle instead of
the Thelemic H written on the banner of the Chariot Trump ? I used to think
it was a mistake by Harris overlooked by Crowley but wonder if there might
be a reason otherwise ? The decription in the Book of Thoth if memory serves
me right says Abrahadabra. Maybe some kind of Gematria reason ? Does Abraca
Cadabra ever appear anywhere else with a C in the volumes of Crowleyana ?
Cheers,
Jim.
Topic The '22' meditation. posted by nome. User
posted on August 14, 2008 at 09:06 PM
Of course, the 22 path/Trump meditation may be practiced at any time of
the year, The day/night before a new moon, The Temple should be
prepared: Day 1 The first meditation is on the 32nd path: The Universe;
Tarot Trump;21 The corresponding writing in The Book of Thoth shold be
read. So on in order, with The primary Banishing Ritual of the Lesser
Pentagram each time, , rise through the 20th: The Aeon, etc. unto
reaching 0, The fool.
This gives a comprehensive, colourful glimpse at the real Thelema.
Having ascended, Why not do the next One, as descending the planes?
Meditating on -The fool number 0-path 11, then The Magician-number 1-
The High Priestess;2, The Empress; 3 etc.
reading as before. After reading, If you will, then relax in your most
comfy asana, and visualise yourself moving toward the card, as
a door with a handle that only you can control. Open the Trump-door, and
walk into the space within, closing door. Observe the lucid visions
that do arise, describing the path. When the vision has finished, walk
out of the Trumpdoor, illuminated, and visualise, your body, imagining
the re-uniting of self and body you're mastery of the 'imagination
worlds' is effective,though many aren't content with their visualisation
skills, no matter, it works! as you're controlling it. This is a most
valuable meditation, The physical outlay is nothing compared to the
priceless forces/understanding etc. attainable. Results should be noted
in one's Magickal Diary, for reference.
Serenity, Understanding, to One and All.
nome.
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Topic 3 Magii. posted by nome. User
posted on August 14, 2008 at 12:45 AM
edited on August 14, 2008 at 04:00 PM
Why, indeed, were the cards discarded? This triplicity of unity seems
innapropriate. Sounds like a potentialy confusing gimmick, impure, the
'true' pack, created in Crowleys later years, combined with the book,
explains Thelema succintly, without alteration.
For those who say the pack is too big to shuffle easily; instead of shuffling sideways, try it length ways, problem sorted.
S.A.
stock both,
pack &
book.
>>>The Thelemic New Year: March 20th, is celebated by daily
meditation on each of the 22 paths/trump-cards. To be a Purist, One
should have a copy of 'The Holy Books of Thelema', to quote daily
excerpts , as given, appropriate to the days path/card. 3 magii? The
three wise men, in the New Aeon? Fishy.
'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' I say, welcoming all differing
viewpoints. All viewpoints have value, I'd enjoy any further thoughts on
this matter. Best Wishes, nome.
Topic 3 Magus Thoth deck posted by Chris User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 11:36 PM
edited on August 14, 2008 at 04:02 PM
Good stuff John,see here also an explanation from Lon Milo Duquette of the
OTO:
"The mystery of the three magi of the Thoth Tarot, is no mystery at all.
The seventy-eight cards of a standard tarot deck are printed on four
sheets of twenty cards per sheet. This provides room for eighty
card-size images per print run. Most publishers fill the extra spaces by
printing two instructional or promotional cards. Rather than doing
that, the Swiss publishers, A.G. Mueller, decided to treat
Crowley/Harris aficionados to a little bonus by filling the extra spaces
with two earlier versions of the Magus that Harris completed but
Crowley rejected. They were never intended to replace or supplement the
final version of the card Crowley approved".
ps. Beware the '3 Magus editions' sold in many New Age shops are smaller than
they should be and I don't mean the 'Pocket Thoth'.
Best get your Thoth deck
from the SA who always sell the best and correct sized version.
YITGW, Chris.
Topic RE: Crowley Thoth Tarot posted by John W User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 12:24 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:40 PM
Hello D.Anderson, Crowley's 'Book of Thoth' will show you which is the
'right' one of the 3 Magus/Magicians to use which is the one AC
authorised. Lady Frieda Harris who painted the Thoth tarot often had to
paint several editions until AC was satisfied. I don't know how many of
the 'unauthorised/rejected'paintings ever survived but I believe these 2
extra Magicians are among the original set of paintings(at the Warburg
institute, London ?). They may also have been kept because Lady Harris
once put several of the original paintings on display without AC's
consent (there is a pamphlet in existence of correspondence between
AC/Harris and others during the Thoth project in which AC mentions
Harris mischievously doing this display and using versions of Trump no.1
he had rejected).
Tarot cards usually come in packs of 80 (why? ...dunno!) with 78 actual
cards and 2 used as adverts or info of sorts. Some Thoth editions will
have the 78 plus two 'advert' cards, usually one with Crowley's
Unicursal hexagram and one with the OTO seal and address. In other
prints they have these two extra magician cards (for show only, not to
be used in the deck, though I suppose
if you're not a purist you could leave out the official Magus and use one
of the alternatives)
Hope this helps a bit. - John.
[Infoburst: Well posted and admirably succinct John. As you rightly
point out the Key to the Thoth Deck is Crowley's Book of Thoth. The
qabbalistic, mystic, numerical, symbolic and allegorical meanings of
each card are outlined in The Book of Thoth in exhaustive detail.
Presumably then the 'discarded' duplicate cards were imperfect in his
schema and so should not be used for magical purposes. Tarot decks
normally have 78 cards but often carry two extra 'fly' cards to protect
the pack serving the purpose of 'fly leafs' in books.
BB Denise W. P.S. ]The Book of Thoth can be ordered from here
Topic Crowley Thoth Tarot posted by D.Anderson User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM
To SA and forum readers, Hi,
I am thinking of getting a set of Crowley Thoth Tarot cards and have heard
that there is a 78 card edition and an 80 card edition with 2 additional
magician cards. Can SA tell me if they supply which edition ? Also, are these
additional 2 magicians just for comparison or to use and does it matter
which is used ? (A bit confused !)
Thank you in advance for any replies,
D.Anderson
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Topic Crystal Ball/skrying posted by Kay User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 07:24 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Greetings,
I am very interested in skrying and would like to know what
method is best between skrying bowl, mirror or crystal ball.
and do you need a condenser or fluid to help/annoint the
crystal ball, etc ?
With a crystal ball, do the quartz ones all have natural patterns
inside or are glass ones better because they are totally clear ?
Blessings,
Kay.
[Infoburst: Hi Kay, There's no point in re-inventing the wheel. All these questions are answered by Marabas
in the S.A.'s Teaching Catalogue under the section on Crystal Balls. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Crystals & Gems posted by Denise W User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 10:02 AM
M says that Crystals and Gems and Mineral Magic is a much neglected
fundamental aspect of Natural Magic which has extensive ramifications
for everyone far beyond the NAN industry that has been built up around
placing gems on the chakras for healing purposes. Marabas says that
although there is plenty of evidence of gem magic being used even in
prehistory (Amber and Jet) the main practitioner/innovator of the use of
gems and minerals for healing was Paracelsus (1493-1541) who was
considered by the medical establishment as the 'Father of Modern
Medicine'. It was Paracelsus who, trained in medicine and astrology and a
theurgic alchemist to boot, experimented with the 'energies' of stones
and minerals related to their astrological influences and created
medicines from them that worked so well that he was hounded by his
peers. However his work lead directly to the modern use of pharmacology
and the drug industry - yet another example of the occult influencing
history and probably saving millions of lives in the process. There is
DEEP significance in the action of minerals on human life and Marabas
hopes to complete an OEXP on this subject soon. Meanwhile you can read
what he has already written on here, including the OEXPs our
contributors mention above. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Crystals & Gems posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 10, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I received a leaflet from S.A. once with an order about 'Gnome
Magic' explaining the uses of a few different stones and sent
for some. Maybe S.A. could add more info on uses of stones to
the website. Some may be put off because of different new age
type claims about stones/crystals as to what their actual properties
are ? Tiger's eye is really good, strong stone.
Topic Crystals & Gems posted by John User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 04:32 PM
edited on July 11, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Does anyone have any experience of positively applying crystals
and semiprecious gems to their lives as charms/amulets or in
magic ?
I've used clear quartz crystals (points) in many ways for years
and their usefulness is unquestionable and they are so versatile.
I recently downloaded marabas' lesson on charging Rock crystals
which has opened up other ideas for me. I've never used a double
terminated Quartz as I'm unsure how to apply these but interested
to possibly experiment.
I also carry a Tiger's eye all the time. It really does give energy
and confidence. Interested to hear anyone alses experiences or
pointers...
Best regards,
John
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Topic RE: Dagger posted by changing.redcarAThotmail.co.uk User
posted on April 22, 2008 at 09:03 AM
Thanks for all the suggestions, I certainly will be looking into sorting this matter.
Though all the same I very much doubt ever getting any trouble with
having a ceremonial dagger I suppose the best way is to cover it before
the worst happens
Some great advice here - thanks
Steve
Topic RE: Dagger posted by Denise W User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 02:56 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Hi Ste,
In 1997 when the then new limitations on age occurred in the Offensive
Weapons Act (driven by the killing of a London schoolmaster by an
ex-pupil) The S.A. was once again the first and only esoteric suppliers
to see the threat to working occultists and instigated the registration
of magical knives and swords as religious implements, enabling genuine
seekers to carry athames and swords purchased from us to group meetings
and not break the law because they had a-priori evidence of it being a
religious implement within the Act. To carry an existing handed-down or
home-made athame legally will require several critera to be met to prove
in a court of law that the knife is a-priori solely for religious use.
The only advice we can give is that users should do this well before any
possible situation arises - a photograph and a notarised declaration
lodged with a solicitor would probably be sufficient.
Puretongue's link gives a lot of useful background but religious knives
are a special case which are not fully covered. The full background to
the Act and the case of religious knives is contained in the S.A.'s
legal leaflet which comes automatically with any knife/sword they sell.
If you purchase a knife from anywhere else without this registration you
are very much at risk.
If you are thinking of making your own athame then you should go to
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm
and scroll down to Constructing Magical Knives, an OEXP written by
Marabas which you can download instantly and which contains important
details both initiated and lawful about how to construct your own
magical knife or dagger.
BB Denise W.
P.S. American clients of the S.A. will be wondering what all the fuss is about. Seeing as
how their right to carry firearms is enshrined within their constitution, possession of a knife seems very small beer.
Topic RE: Dagger posted by Puretongue User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 08:19 AM
Is this any help?
http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/law.html
Topic Dagger posted by mcparted User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 10:36 AM
I know I know, it's a knife of the art
But I've inherited Marcia's knife of the art, and was wondering with all the new knife law how I stand
Now it's highly unlikely that I'm going to get pulled up with it, but if I do the Police will sure say "dagger".
Any recommendations would be appreciated
Thanks ste
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Topic RE: Dark Lily Study Papers posted by Paul User
posted on July 25, 2008 at 07:39 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Thanks for the infoburst. I appreciate what you are saying. :)
I ran a DL website for a few years, with (ex) DL members both aware and
contributing some articles. DL also allowed me to reproduce all the Dark
Lily journals online. This is the basis upon which I believe it is okay
with DL for me to attain copies of the Study Papers. I am not seeking
to make any money (nor did I make any money from the website).
At the time Magda (DL editor) did not have copies of the study papers or the journals if I remember correctly.
[Infoburst: No problem Paul, the objective was to alert anyone who might
be lulled by the free-for-all of information on the net into thinking
that there is no copyright on older manuscripts and order papers. There
is and it is important not the least because it keeps the works pristine
from plagiarism, corruption and misrepresentation. Nuff said. BB Denise
W. ]
Topic RE: Dark Lily Study Papers posted by Paul User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 07:43 AM
edited on July 18, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Hi, thanks for your reply. :)
I have spoken with Magda in the past and she no longer had any copies of
these. So I was hoping that a Dark Lily subscriber/Occultist/Satanist,
who may have received the Study Papers when they were issued, might
still have some that I could copy.
I understand that the DL Study Papers were expansions on the main DL articles...
Thanks again. :)
Paul
[Infoburst: Paul, you must keep in mind that anything produced by DL was
copyrighted and it is illegal for anyone to lend you their originals to
make copies from. You can of course pay to purchase originals in the
second hand market. ]
Topic RE: Dark Lily Study Papers posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 03:54 PM
If you have no further replies, I might suggest asking SA by
letter or email to pass your request to the former editor of DL
who might be able to assist you. She once supplied me with every
copy of DL in back-issue but no study papers as I remember.
Topic Dark Lily Study Papers posted by Paul User
posted on July 15, 2008 at 01:21 PM
Hi all,
Nice to see this forum here. :)
I am just wondering (as I have been seeking the original papers for some
years now) if anyone has any copies of the Study Papers issued by the
Society of Dark Lily. There was a journal (of which I have copies) circa
1986-1993 and during this time DL issued some Study Papers.
I am prepared to pay for copies of these.
Thanks very much
Paul
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Topic RE: DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR Best read before browsing the forum. posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 04:47 PM
Hi Denise,
I think you are totally right. All that AA stuff and links that expire in 72 hours!! If only they would.Hehe!
Topic DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR Best read before browsing the forum. posted by Denise User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:35 PM
Hi brothers and sisters, Denise here. In response to the inevitable
mystical hyperbole which has been injected into some of the existing
threads on the SAEF; Marabas thought long and hard about this forum
before inaugurating it. The main problem was how to avoid it being
hi-jacked by the usual psychobabblers one finds massaging their egos on
many other forums and misleading newcomers; in the process diluting and
misdirecting the debates. He finallly decided that this was not so much a
danger as a raison d'etre for the SAEF. is THE place where the
usual portentious titles and pompous
language means nothing. A place where any silliness will be ridiculed by
the users themselves making the SAEF an uncomfortable place for those
with delusions of grandeur.
It is a sign of the bankruptcy of so much of the New Age today that so
many people are so easily mislead by grand-sounding names and dramatic
Order Titles sprinkled with a smattering of mystical hyperbole. This
smacks of that worst magical sin - 'dependency' and M will have none of
it. He says there's something wrong if you can't explain your magic in
plain English. (please don't jump to tell me about Gematria, Enochian
etc - these are symbolic languages used at the sharp end of magic and
even tutorship in them requires plain English first).
It is important not to confuse Magic with Mystification. M says that the
workings of magic will always be mystifying but that anyone whose
magical pronouncements are so abstruse as to always be mystifying is
hiding something - probably their true intent.
At an earlier time Secrecy was paramount to save lives - today secrecy
should only be reserved to protect the confidentialities of members and
to hide those areas for which ordinary folk are unready. Secrecy for
secrecies sake is an anathema for any true initiate and it won't be
accepted on the SAEF. We are sure that forum contributors will set the
standard and desparage anyone from such pretences if they catch them
doing so.
The bottom line is this: No genuine occult initiate or group would tread
on Marabas's toes and use this forum for proclamations or recruiting
unless they asked Marabas first. To make sure that
forum users are aware of this we will always add a comment in any such
thread to show that we are aware of the situation/procolamation. This is
not a form of censorship - we are not here to rubber-stamp, condone or
promote any single aspect of the occult - just a method of
authenticating a thread and enabling new forum users to differentiate
between the wheat and
the chaff. If users want to waste their time with the Ipssissimus of The
Grand Chivalric Order of The Numti they are at liberty to do so. Just
so long as they know. BB Denise W.
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Topic RE: Destiny posted by Karen User
posted on July 30, 2008 at 03:37 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:45 PM
Well, Denise, I plan to download and read at least the first OEXP you
mentioned in response to my original post. In fact, I'd do it now, if I
weren't flat broke for the next couple of days. I'm sure it will give me
some good information and ideas.
As for NAN, I'm really not that conversant in the whole range of "New
Age" ideas. There are some I'm familiar with; but the New Age movement
has tons of different ideologies, sects, worldviews, corrupted
cross-pollinations, and whatnot, much of which I know nothing about
aside from a vague awareness of their existence. Hence, if I was
spouting "New Age Nonsense", I probably wasn't aware of it...
You are off-message again Karen. Marabas's OEXPs don't give the reader
'good ideas', you are confusing his unique OEXPS with the usual mediocre
aspirational writings offered on the net. Marabas's OEXPs reach into
your inner-space grab a fistful of your soul and drag your awareness
inside out so that nothing is ever the same again. One read can
literally change your life.
That's why there is no substitute for getting and reading Marabas's teachings. BB Denise W]
Topic RE: Destiny posted by Karen User
posted on July 29, 2008 at 01:47 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:15 PM
Thanks to everyone who has responded to this thread, both here and by
email! I hope I have not been the cause of any serious quarrels (i.e. I
hope the two most recent posters have come to an understanding by now).
Clearly there are many wise people on this forum from whom I can learn
plenty.
I am beginning to realize (you can tell I'm a Yank by my spellings, I'm
sure...LOL) that my goals have been rather unclear for some time; and I
need to sit down and brainstorm and write down some really clear plans
and goals for both the short-term and long-term. I've noticed that
candles are good tools for helping my mind focus better, among other
things. For a long time I've been asking Spirit why he/she/it isn't
supporting my dreams, goals, etc.; only today a message popped into my
head--"So, what the heck ARE they, specifically?!" Uh, well... Also,
there's a lot of talk around the Net about people finding their life's
purpose at long last. That's another day's work, I expect.
Anyhow, thanks again to all who have posted here and emailed me over the
past week or so; it's given me plenty of info to go over for a few
evenings after dinner...
[Infoburst: That's just New Age Nonsense Karen - you haven't learned
anything - you've just had your fears ameliorated by misguided comments
by other forum members and so have sunk back into the mediocrity which
is causing your perpetual problem. Sympathy can be very destructive. It
is precisely because you are not yet ready that the gods are pushing you
so much. READ THE BLOODY OEXPS! This forum is populated by nice people
but don't get the idea that it is here to perpetuate niceness - a swift
kick up the ass often does far more than a million emolient words could
ever do , as Taoist magicians often aver! Many other people in trouble
are reading this forum and they are not going to go away with the idea
that a way to find their true destiny is to sit down and make lists! BB.
Denise W. ]
Topic The Fates. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on July 27, 2008 at 07:36 PM
Sorry, couldn't resist that one. Whether it be in this vale of tears, or
in the clear light of afterlife, you,ll see, and find it 'oh, so
amusing' The mud-Bhudda-idea is good. I won't spoil your fun with my
viewpoint.
By the way, Anne B. I was born with memory, and, aged 35, did the 'right
thing', giving my blood to the cup, eyes locked with Choronzon, Lord of
illusion, for 26 days and nights, no sleep, no food, I entered-------
4 years later, I uncurled, from foetal, to find my self, my body, well, I
too have a wheelchair, constant slow release morphine, and liquid
morphine, for 'breakthrough pain' situations. And I Laugh
with open throat! I have 4 high diplomas, and was about to open my own
business, when the FATES declared I should live on my decent pension,
studying, and practising Magick! Funny? HILARIOUS!
A nods as good as a wink.......
Topic Fate. posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 27, 2008 at 06:44 PM
Of course, I believe in free will, I have no choice:)
Topic Destiny posted by AnnB User
posted on July 24, 2008 at 04:14 PM
Karen Peace in your inner self will help you to receive your way into
life aiming to high and too quickly will only hamper your rise there is
no quick fix in life take that from an old lady who has had a great deal
of grief and hurt to deal with.
Dont give up but find your inner happiness and things will be better
never be impatient know thats easy to say but we learn all our life
listen to others on the forum they speak a lot of sense especially the
lovely saing the deeper the mud the higher the buddha
All love to you
Topic Destiny, fate, Adversity posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 12:03 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:17 PM
Please understand also that destiny and Fate are two different things.
We can all alter our destiny, that is what the Great Work of Magick/the
occult sciences are about: Taking up your own destiny in your own hands and
changing it as you Will. Fate is something else, it is the predetermined
such as when you are born and when you will die. Understand also that we
can only do as much as we have the potential for as human beings, Magickal
power is 'borrowed' from the divine, you must ask for it and be given it as
the divine/gods see fit, they will also not give anyone a free and easy ride
because life necessitates a certain amount of suffering and hardship to
cause maturity of spirit. Lesson number one is whether we think it or not
in our ego-mind to say 'I am responsible for my condition, no one else'
and 'I refuse to feel like a victim'. There is a Japanese saying 'The deeper
the mud the higher the Buddha'. Smile at adversity and it may sooner pass.
[Infoburst: Well said! BB Denise W]
Topic RE: Destiny posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 04:22 PM
Thers a couple of lessons on Karma. That might help.
Ricenpeas
Topic Destiny posted by Karen User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 03:49 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:00 PM
I'm being tormented by this concept right now, and have been for some
time. I'm trying to figure out what destiny is, how it develops, whether
it can (or should) be changed, and how one might go about changing it.
When I was meditating one day not long ago, a message came from
somewhere that "Today is the destiny of your past (that is, your life up
till now)." Interesting idea. I only wish I had some idea where I was
heading at this moment.
I'm really tired of being chronically poor, and way behind in my
professional (musical) goals; but so much of what I've tried hasn't done
anything to change this. I don't want to be destined to live like this
the rest of my life; but it often seems like some Higher Power or other
wants me stuck in this rut forever. In other words, I feel rather
trapped, stuck, or something; and everything I've worked on to change
things just sort of goes flat. I know that there is literature available
from the S.A. on this subject; but can anyone point me to what which be
the best cyberbook, or whatever, to check out for my own situation?
Thanks in advance for any pointers...
Hi Karen, The OEXP you need is OEXP010 Why Things Go Wrong in People's Lives and How They can Break Into 'GoodLuck'
You can download it from here instantly and make a start right now. Lots
of people say it has saved them lots of suffering. Also look at OEXP066
on Karma. Marabas says that the gods always make you lose faith in
yourself in order to bring you to a state of transformation, before you
can kick-start your destiny again, so take heart, read the OEXPs and
work through it. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic Tarot books posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 11:39 AM
edited on July 18, 2008 at 12:40 PM
What is the best book to learn tarot ? Denise recommends works
by Connolly (Eileen Connolly) in another thread but can't see
them on SA booklist. I saw this book once 'Tarot, new handbook
for the Apprentice by Connolly, is that it ?
[Infoburst: Yes, thatŽs the one. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Book on seduction by LaVey posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Read 'the satanic Witch' by Anton LaVey (originally reviewed
very favourably in Cosmopolitan in the '70s when originally
published as the Compleat witch). It's about seduction, not
satanism so don't panic. SA sell it.
Topic RE: Did anyone have luck with Snow Queen?? posted by Paul User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 07:41 AM
Why don't you use positive psychology, flirting etc? Might work better than a spell... :)
Topic Did anyone have luck with Snow Queen?? posted by Lucy User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:45 PM
This guy likes me, but i want to get him to date me, or better still make a pass at me!!
What is the best spell for this type of thing??
Thanks a lot.
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Topic RE: Homosexuality posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 12:01 AM
I find it a little odd that Homosexual currents are still shunned by
some Magicians in this day and age. To label myselves as a straight Male
is an unhappy contradiction. As Bruce Lee says "Never point your finger
at the moon. You miss the whole of the Sky".
Peasnrice
Topic Homosexuality posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 01:27 AM
Pioneer but still clinging to the pendulum of her timing
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posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Risky indeed, and strangely anally retentive! Marabas says that before
you read any book you should look on the imprint page to see when it was
first published because they are all a product of their period. As the
occult renaissance gathered place in the late 1800s you could still be
prosecuted for witchcraft and the church had a strangelhold over the
Establishment. Occult authors of the time trod a very fine line and had
to throw in the obligatory deference to the Establishment in order to
remain free to express themselves in other ways. Additionally, many of
those authors were themselves products of their period and homophobia
was de-rigeur for any 'decent' person in those days. It is up to the
reader to intelligently unpick the gems of knowledge in these books from
the pretences and smokescreens put there to disinterest the profane.
Fortune's other work The Esoteric Philosophy of Love and Marriage sounds
today like a promol leaflet from a chastity belt manufacturer - yet her
grasp of qabbalah and her understanding of initiated perspectives is
easily seen in The Mystical Qabbalah and any of her occult novels. In
short an occult authors moral opinions are different to statements of
fact about magical technique. Marabas says a lot depends how you define
'souls'. As that vital spark of divine life within us EVERYTHING has
soul to a genuine esotericist and all are part of the same unified
cosmic dance. Everyone's energy field is different and is never constant
so change has to be accounted for. A person's energy seeks to complete
itself in a way suitable to its own nature to allow that nature to
further evolve. This must be taken into account during ceremonies - but
only in the same way that you would take into account a different phase
of the moon, or a different season. M says it is all a matter of
balancing energies. BB Denise W.
Topic Dion Fortune. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Dion Fortunes book on Qaballah was the best I've read, out of print
I believe. I didn't read 'Psychic self defense'. Her legacy, The society
of The Inner Light, insists that applicants be exclusively British,
with good knowledge of fairy tales,(which do contain much
British occult meaning) that because of the sexual polarity in
their workings, do not accept Homosexuals. Anyone who has ever taken a
drug not prescribed, e.g. cannabis, are permanently 'changed' and
unsuitable. I guess these requirements were formulated by Ms. Fortune.
That's their prospectus for candidates, what do you make of it? I find
the drug statement daft, personally. I had many Magickal experiences
before taking any drugs, then I was prescribed ergotamine based migraine
treatment,
ergot is the basis of L.S.D. and I found a legal, very potent hallucinogen. That would be acceptable, taking L.S.D. wouldn't.
It takes all sorts to make a world, in this case, a very specific sort. I
read this directly from the application booklet, I wonder what others
think of this?
Topic dion fortune views on homosexuality posted by kimball User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 11:05 AM
does any one out ther have any views on the subject of dion fortune's
theory of homosexual's having none human soul's. It sounds realy riskay.
One chapter in her book spychic self defence lay's out one theory.
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Topic RE: Distance Healing posted by Karen User
posted on April 16, 2008 at 01:40 AM
Thanks to the person who emailed me the Regardie writings! I don't know
if he wants to be identified by name; but thank you in any case...
Topic Distance Healing posted by Karen User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:42 AM
Does anyone here have experience with performing or receiving healing
over a certain distance? Are there some techniques that work better than
others? Does anyone have any technical recommendations for this; that
is, magickal techniques, meditations, specific tools, magical oils,
etc.? Thanks in advance; it's something else I'm trying to learn more
about...
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Topic do taoist's play the cult of being special posted by kimball User
posted on July 20, 2010 at 09:40 AM
It's a question that has been with me for a while now. And so i've
decided to throw it out ther to hear what other's may think. TAOIST'S
follow the tao which as far as i can gather is so opposed to the ego
driven game of cob's as to be like oil and water. Yet marabas say's that
the cult of being special should be play in order for people to keep
evolving. Any taker's on this one...
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Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs? posted by Mouse User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 09:53 PM
Need you ask? Of course they do...the media misrepresent a lot of
things, but in the case of Pagan beliefs, that tendency is increased by
prejudice and fear.
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs? posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 04:47 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Hi, that's really disturbing but gives an opening for Marabas to convey
the following which he dictated to me. It's instructive to compare the
psychology of hate perpetrated in children's books of that kind with the
way that the Golliwog was censored out of Enid Blytton's Noddy series.
If we fill our children's minds with prejudice against old ladies no
wonder most old women will die alone and unloved - yet the PC lefties
will work overtime (justifiably!) to expunge any racist or anti-feminist
references.
Thus today it is increasingly open-season on free-thinkers in the
occult. Marabas prophecied this and covers all its manifestations in his
Secrets Of Mind Control
( see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindcont.htm ).
It is quite likely that the author of this school-book is a
fundamentalist Christian knowingly perpetrating these ancient blood
libels in order to recapture the minds of the young.
However the PC card cuts both ways and following the innauguration of
the British Human Rights Act (2000) every head of every school (and
every civil servant) has a legal responsibility to PROTECT the rights of
children and their parents from vilification of their beliefs and
religious perspectives. Any parent who sees this kind of impropaganda
being promoted can bring the head's attention to this fact and demand a
withdrawal of the book (see SAFF website for full rights). If they do
not do so the local council must, if they refuse there is a government
ombudsman for human rights and other avenues to pursue, including
ultimately the EEC court of human rights in Strasbourg. However, and
this is very important to consider, by making a fuss you are likely to
polarise the school and must keep in mind that as an esotericist you
will always be in a MINORITY and may well win the battle but suffer
discrimination in the ongoing war for freedom of belief. BB Denise W.
Scribe to Marabas
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs? posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 07:56 PM
The media misrepresents everyone - even themselves! It is a malignant and monstrous dragon that needs to be slain.
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs? posted by Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 01:36 AM
I live in the US and I can honestly say that it has been my experience
that the media OFTEN misrepresents just about everything. They have
their own agenda and how they want to spin the story, for better or for
worse, and they take bits and pieces of things said and done to present
factual proof to fictional stories. Green Day really pegged it when they
wrote American Idiot-When I say I am Wiccan, so many people try to tell
me what it is that they just know that I believe. How sad.
Topic re: media representation posted by feeorin User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 10:19 PM
hi there,
it was hard to find a place to put this... as its just a thing i had to
say.... but i thought as this was a media area.... can i suggest that
watching pans labyrinth is well worth the time and effort... it might
restore some understandable lost faith in media! i think this film is
incrediable! i wont tell u nothing about it just take a look for urself!
some may disagree which is fine! but its the closet ive seen to postive
representation of old belief! (please make acceptions for the ending
mind, to my mind it is the films only true downfall)
feeorin xxx
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs? posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:30 PM
I am an ordained priest in The Church Of Satan and am now the leading
media reprsentative for the organisation in the UK. I don't even know
where to begin. Journalists simply never do any research and keep asking
the same tired old ignorant questions. It should be noted however, that
we do not believe in pandering to victim status and complaining about
being misunderstood. Quite frankly, unless we are directly accused of
being involved in criminal activity we rarely even bother to enlighten
them.
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs? posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:11 PM
I have to say that I blame the Pagan Fed for a lot of this media
misinformation. They are rather naive of such things and would rather do
interfaith moots with raving fumdamentalists than address issues that
are vital to occlutist freedoms.
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs? posted by Dale User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:00 PM
Here's a good one for you.
I'm a photographer working for a group of Birmingham newspapers (thats the media bit...)
My youngest son came home a few months ago with a school library book
(can't remember the title) about a wicked witch and her daughter who ate
a boiled boy for tea. I got my arse in my hands and went to the school
to complain. After a rant I said to the head teacher "Would you have a
book in the school library about a muslim kid that goes into a crowded
market and detonates a bomb on his chest?" "Oh, no!" was the reply.
Another rant saying one does really happen and the other is total
fiction was met by a shrug of the shoulders.
When I tried to run a story in our papers I hit a brick wall! Paganism
is still seen as a kind of cult/joke/wierd fad by the media. I have
tried to change thinking by doing features on Litha and Lammas
celebrations at The Custard Factory in Brum.
The media pay lip service at best to Pagan practices.
Topic Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs? posted by Denise User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 12:07 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Hi folks, Just thought you might be interested in this month's S.A.
Poll. ' Do The Media Misrepresent Your Occult Beliefs' . Go to
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/census.htm and register your opinion with
a single click at the bottom of the page. Then check out what others
think. Interesting.... BB Denise W.
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Topic RE: croydon libary ban posted by kimball User
posted on April 09, 2010 at 04:29 PM
YEA they do like to china bash dont they just to divert attention
Topic RE: croydon libary ban posted by kimball User
posted on April 03, 2010 at 05:08 PM
edited on April 06, 2010 at 09:31 AM
Im taking up your advice using high john the conquer oil any letter's i
send to my m.p's or local constitue's. tho i think it might be a
security fault with ther computers since they have had trouble with ther
computer's for years. will keep you posted
[INFOBURST: Thanks for that Kimball, the use of High John is a great
idea and please do let us all know how you get on. It is interesting to
reflect that shortly after you placed your original news about Croydon
capitulating to the Xists and banning the S.A. the campaign by Google to
counter censorship of the net by the Chinese government made headline
news! So easy for the Establishment to divert the plebs'attentions away
from what is happening to denude THEIR freedom of speech in favour of
criticising a politically convenient scapegoat eh?
BB Denise W]
Topic croydon libary ban posted by kimball User
posted on March 19, 2010 at 05:31 PM
edited on March 22, 2010 at 02:38 PM
just found out that my local libary (croydon clocktower)internet has ban
the s.a website from it's server. im gob smack. and tick off
[Infoburst: So much for liberal academe! When this kind of censorship
happens it is usually because the library has accepted a third party
fundie inspired ban list which cleverly blacklists the most well known
occult bookshops etc. If you complain to the head librarian they can set
our site so it is seen by adults surfing the net and not by under 18s,
though as we already impose our own voluntary ban on sales to under 18s
( see this for why: http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/minors.htm)
and there is nothing illegal on our website it is suitable for general
use and these bans simply underline how the dissemination of important
spiritual truths are being
censored by religious prejudice. Of course they wouldn't think twice
about including images of a naked Jesus with his hands and feet nailed
to a cross and with blood gushing from a gaping wound in his side -
showing that to children is not only permissible but actually welcomed
by mosts of the hypocrites who want to ban occult books as being
psychologically damaging for children! Thanks for letting us know. BB
Denise W.]
Topic RE: Do we live in a totalitarian society posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:29 AM
PART THREE:
Every person who has ever 'swallowed' any of the many false scares which
the ruling elite has created over the past few decades, (Satanic Ritual
Child Abuse, Global Warming etc.,) is guilty of supporting and
condoning their own mental incarceration. That is why, as Herne queried,
Satanism is so important for the well-being of mankind. Satanists can
be relied upon to keep the doors of free-thought open in all creative
areas. Artists, musicians, writers and unorthodox beliefs everywhere owe
a real and very deep debt of gratitude to the many self-styled
satanists who have trod the path of mental liberation, sometimes at
great personal cost over many hundreds of years to keep those pathways
of free-thought open. Love 'em or hate 'em, satanists should be the
FIRST people to be offered support and protection when they are attacked
by the Establishment because if they fall, so will we all. An
understanding of how our interests are bound up with theirs, is one of
the first stages on the way to adepthood.
Obviously here I am speaking of genuine satanists, and not the
pimple-faced teenage wannabees who dance around in graveyards to get
some attention.
You can find more background to this debate on the SAFF website here:
Keep up The Good Work
Denise Wadsworth, Scribe to Marabas
Topic RE: Do we live in a totalitarian society posted by Denise W User
posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM
PART TWO:
Oh, except in parliament of course, where the defamation law doesn't
apply and any MP can say what he wants to about you, however much of a
lie it might be, and is protected by 'parliamentary privilege'.
The history of the internet encapsulates how the ruling elite retake
control using subterfuge based on the ignorance and stupdity of the
masses. The internet is TRULY democratic. When first originated anyone
could say what they liked about anything. Of course a lot of this was
evil nonsense but it was at least a level playing field of evil nonsense
which enabled free-thinkers to make an informed decision. This gave
power to the people.
Just like the printing presses threatened the monopoly of the church in
the 15c, it became clear that the internet made parliament obsolete.
What is the point of continuing with a 400 year old system designed when
it took an MP three days to travel by coach from his constituency to
Parliament to vote? In those days there was no alternative. The local
political system was set up to supposedly seek out the feelings of
constituents and convey it to Parliament where the MP supposedly voted
en-bloc for what they wanted. Now we can do that with the press of a
button on the internet. It is technically possible now for EVERYONE to
have a say in EVERYTHING that goes on in this country and give their
vote on ALL matters pertaining to our laws - within an instant.
Parliament is obsolete, but the democratists will not relinquish power
and to protect themselves they used the old trick of firstly trying to
discredit the medium - building an image of the internet as evil,
wicked, untrustworthy, criminal, etc. and, particularly, massaging
scares about the lack of security of information (so that they could use
it as a reason to refuse to set up on-line voting) regardless of the
farcical security surrounding ballot boxes and postal votes! Regardless
of the fact that 99% of government confidential data is digitised.
In order to take control of the internet, (just as the churches took
control of the printing presses in the 15c.) they have turned it against
the people and now use leading-edge technology to surrveil YOU and I
and everyone else to a point which is so intrusive that it would have
been completely unacceptable and caused revolution 25 years ago. Marabas
explained all this and prophecied it all and more, in detail when he
wrote
Secrets of Mind Control (see details here which every freethinker should
read and can download) decades ago but the point to remember is not the
individual indignities which the government imposes almost daily but
the root cause of it as outlined above.
In a democracy the people at the top will only listen to their citizens
if they threaten their powerbase. 30 years ago when the Green Party
first began they were considered fanatics. The moment they began to get
votes ALL the parties moved Green-Left in their policies and now Labour
has gone into idiotic overdrive concerning the Global Worming scare. BNP
policies were condemned until they began winning seats over immigration
whereupon the main parties all adopted anti-immigration policies
considered unacceptable before. The very moment the public catch-up to
what the politicians are doing with IT is the time when they can be
stopped - that is why they MUST control the Information Technology
Revolution and have, under the guise of 'security', imposed
restrictions, censorship and invoked punitive new laws to all but
destroy the lives of anyone who tries to breach those restrictions.
Every person who has ever 'swallowed' any of the many false scares which
the ruling elite has created over the past few decades, (Satanic Ritual
Child Abuse, Global Warming etc.,) is guilty of supporting and
condoning their own mental incarceration. That is why, as Herne queried,
Satanism is so important for the we
Topic RE: Do we live in a totalitarian society posted by Denise W User
posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:26 AM
I agree with your sentiments Herne and your heartfelt comments. I
believe many hundreds of thousands of other citizens of the Western
World who have seen their inalienable human rights destroyed in
progressive fashion over the past 25 years are also becoming aware of
the tyranny which is unfolding. Marabas teaches that this is a BIG
subject because it actually involves all aspects of human creative
thought and endeavour and to try to sum up everything in one statements
is virtually impossible. However, Marabas says it is all about Power and
the Control of Power and though this cycle has been going on for
millennia it is easier to understand it if we look at relatively modern
times.
The basic recipe goes like this: We have been pap fed the illusion of
democracy for 400 years by the ruling monarchistic elites worldwide who
eked out their power in a feigned democracy as a controlled alternative
to other systems which would completely remove them. The Magna Carta
didn't bring democracy to the people, it just swapped one greedy
megalomaniac (the King) with a bunch of greedy megalomaniacs (the
Barons). The English Civil War didn't bring democracy it just replaced a
bunch of Baronial megalomanicas with a bunch of religious
fundamentalists in a pseudo-theocracy. The lie that Democracy is the
only alternative has been ingrained into our minds by Democratists to
such an extent that it has become the justification for wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan and many other sins, including carpet bombing women and
children in the cities of the Ruhr in WWII, yet the ancient Greeks who
originated the idea of Democracy didn't actually think much of it and
chose other ways of living communally instead. The Romans of course had
their Dictators and they didn't make too bad a job of civilisation for
the thousand or so years they were the major superpower.
The con in Democracy is the idea that everyone has a vote, a say, in
what happens but obviously history shows this only applies to things
which are not of importance. There is no way that the 5,000 mandarins
who influence the destiny of this country are going to allow plebs like
you and I to make the 'wrong' choice in a referendum - witness the
renaging of the promised referendum on membership of the EEC by labour
and MANY other instances which did not please our economic masters. When
did you vote as to whether Britain should go to war in Iraq? The real
purpose of democracy is to fool the people into believing that what they
think matters and that the system provides them with at least a modicum
of power or control over what happens. In reality they have none,
witness the sight of over a million pro-countryside protesters in the
centre of London being completely ignored by the government.
Of course the one absolutely crucial thing to any Democracy is a
Bureaucracy. Without this it cannot function to control and oppress the
lives of its citizens. When the Bureaucracy fails, the political bullies
call in the state police. When the uprising becomes too big for the
police to handle the troops are sent in, witness the Peterloo massacre
of starving workers protesting for their rights and being cut down by
the sabres of English mounted cavalry in the middle of Manchester in
August 1819.
The modern people who control us know the score. They know that it is
better to give a little, to duck and dodge and sing the platitudes of
Nationalism than to send in the troops to kill their own citizens. Thus
deceit has become the main control method used by the Democratists. They
tell lies, they cheat, they bring honour into disrepute and they can
look you straight in the eye and do it because they many years ago put
laws in place to censor your free-speech and say what you want to. Oh,
except in parliament of course, where the defamation law doesn't apply
and any MP can say what he wants to about you, however much of a lie it
might be, and is protected by 'parliamentary
Topic RE: Do we live in a totalitarian society posted by wolfie User
posted on January 21, 2010 at 06:20 PM
I was going to dive in on this one but decided I'd only end up ranting.
It's easier to say that I heartilly agree with everything you've wrote! I
can't remember who spoke the words but they said them some while ago
that the government would do well to remember that Orwell's 1984 was a
warning for the future and not a blueprint!
Topic Do we live in a totalitarian society posted by Herne User
posted on January 19, 2010 at 01:07 PM
Do we live in a totalitarian society? And do we have a right as
individuals or groups to lobby MPs to ban other people interests or
lifestyles?
The government and MPs have jumped on the bandwagon over the last 5
years and we have seen restrictions over our lifes, under laws on health
and safety, national security and moral decency, and it has been quite
clear that PM Gordon Brown has been on his own moral crusade over the
past few years, what the next government will be like I shudder to
think.
Like what was said on a channel 4 documentary "Dance with the devil" if
we allow pressure groups to draw the line, how long will it be before
they want to move that line further back?
Our government can get around the human right laws by using, health and
safety, national security and moral decency laws so really their are no
human right laws, due to the loophole that the politicians conveniently
put their.
But who is responsible for all of these new laws? With regret, society
as a whole, each and very one of us with our own moral axe to grind,
there are many groups that fight for liberty like SAFF, liberty
International, backlash and forest are but a few, but again a lot of
these groups also don`t like each other philosophy, so infighting
amongst these groups only makes it easier for governments to pass more
totalitarian laws.
I think back in the late 80s a SAFF newsletter reported that a pagan
organisation said why should they protect satanism? It wasn't their
religion.
But I think it was said by the SAFF, an attack on satanism is an attack
on all alternative beliefs if we allow satanism to fall who will be
next?
Freedom is like layers once the top one has eroded it exposes the one underneath to moral erosion and so on.
The smoking ban and the fox hunting ban has had far more implications
than you ever thought, because other things have been banned under
health and safety and moral decency, just look at the sorcerers
apprentice, many of the things it once sold are banned, like buzz zing
snuff, herbal high and many herbs are but a few, and some of their stock
is under threat from new laws. "I stand corrected if I am wrong"
Some of you may rejoice over certain things that get banned, but
remember eventually it will affect you in one way or another, what goes
around comes around.
So who is responsible totalitarian society? You are in one way or another.
What ever happened to live and let live?
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Topic Name Droppers posted by Chris White User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 12:49 AM
Hi Denise, Hi James,
I think it's a pretty safe bet that, by default, the more someone
behaves like that, the less likely they are to be close to him. "The
truth lying in the opposite". He sounds like the kind of manipulater
that often frequent small groups of any kind. He'll use his 'converts'
to strengthen his position and even turn friends against one another
(watch out for him 'selectively editing' other peoples' quotes, making
hard for them to deny it. He'll change the context leaving the listener
to miscontrue it exactly the way he wants!) Once he has one or two
convinced, he do very little work himself, just nudging here, suggesting
there. Call it social engineering or a plain old fashioned con; it's
the same disease. You'll find these people in forums all over the net
starting flame wars too. They find it amusing to turn people against
each other. They make great newspaper editors but lousy human beings.
Here's the sad part. They don't think they are getting their hands dirty
when in fact they do pollute their own soul every time they act or even
think like that and there's no easy way to get rid of them unless the
whole group can see through them. Try to persuade anyone, and you risk
polarising the group and pushing some into his camp. He'll eventually
try to take over the group and move up in the local area hierachy.
Unfortunately he'll get quite a way until he encounters people wise
enough to spike his guns.
I'm guessing that Marabas would never take as a student someone with
such a big ego and mouth to match. He's a good judge of character; he
has to be obviously. Bringing it to the forum straight away was the best
thing you could do because otherwise you really only have two options:
If this guy is as inexperienced at real study as he sounds, you could
try a banishing spell. The risk is that he's not and that he's already
planning the same thing on anyone he considers a threat so keep your
head down. Unfortunately if you do, (keep you head down, I mean) he'll
realise you've got his number and you're not giving him any ammunition
to use against you. By that time he may have 'recruited' others to do
his dirty work so his ignorance won't be such a big problem by then.
You could quietely join another group but do you really want to? Maybe
you've made good friends where you are, though unltimately he may give
you no choice.
All things considered the only thing I can see that might help would be
if Marabas could ask someone in the area with some clout to drop in
discredit this clown once and for all. Nasty all round but most medicine
don't taste very nice. Or perhaps Marabas could do a more sophosticated
spell that might help? Maybe he already has; I'm just thinking out
loud.
I'm really sorry I don't have anything more contructive to offer but I
felt I should at least warn you what to expect. these people are not
nearly as subtle as they think and your instincts are clearly good!
They'll serve you well.
Take Care my friend.
Chris.
Topic RE: Do you know this guy? posted by Denise User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 03:28 PM
Hi, James, No. From the details you have given us Marabas can't identify
the person you are talking about. That means we don't know him.
Obviously as Marabas has helped a lot of clients in a very personal
sense over three decades he can't remember everyone but he would
certainly remember those whom he had taught sufficiently for them to
advertise it!
This kind of name-dropping does happen very regularly and it is
difficult to counter. In many instances the people who pretend to be
closest to Marabas have never met him. Some haven't even purchased
from the S.A. but are fully aware of the doors which his name opens and
misuse his standing to agrandise themselves. Disreputable people like
this often do not simply stop at name-dropping - we have heard of dozens
of completely fictional anecdotes and stories which they have invented
in order to gain attention for themselves.
Those clients who have actually benefited from Marabas's teaachings over
the years respect him too much to flaunt that connection and so rarely
pull this trick.
Of course many thousands of people DO know Marabas - he has helped over
70,000 souls over the past 30 years, often changed their lives totally
for the better - so he naturally does get talked about a lot in occult
circles but the simple answer to checking whether or not a bragger does
in fact have the ear of Marabas is simply to write, telephone or email
us and ask. Without exposing anyone's privacy or breaching
confidentiality we will always answer truthfully. Certainly you should
never accept the assertions otherwise.
Regards
Denise W.
Topic Do you know this guy? posted by James User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 03:09 PM
Hi, Denise, I'm one of your long-time clients and I just met a guy
called John Wxxxxx at one of those Pagan Meets in a local pub in
Lancaster and he was acting as though Marabas was his long-lost brother
or something. Like Marabas and he were so close and together that he
(John)was giving all the newcomers the idea that M had trained him up as
his right hand man. And they all suckered into it. Is this guy really
so close to Marabas? Tell me, because if he isn't I would love to
deflate his ego. YITGW James F.
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Topic RE: elemental weapons posted by Denise W User
posted on January 29, 2008 at 03:57 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Hi all,
As Anonymous points out these elemental weapons are SYMBOLS therefore
there is no hard and fast rule. Marabas teaches that the Wand is fire
because sticks rubbed together produce fire. The dagger is air because
it is a truncated spear - the platen or pantacle symbolises earth
because it is a stylised development of the quorn or stone platen on
which grain was processed but some hold that the original 'dagger' was
the first cutting edges made from flint. So there are many alternative
views which are not represented in modern books on magic. Marabas also
teaches that the correspondences for paraphernalia are not sacrosanct
because their powers and orientation change depending on whereabouts in
the world you are situated. Our Australian Cousins have rites which are
antipodean to us by date and in Chinese Magic the four winds are
apportioned to different quarters - yet the magic still works. Marabas
explains this by saying that as long as the symbols are holistic (i.e.
give a complete spectrum of the elements and positions) and as long as
their adoption is wholly believable by the magician and appropriate to
the method used then he/she can adopt ANY appropriate symbol providing
it is used repeatedly and permanently so that its impact builds in the
unconscious.
After all the object of ritual magic is to create around oneself a
microcosm of the universe in order to retain control over it within the
circle. As long as one realises what one is doing then by all means
amend tradition - but otherwise stick to what has gone before and
already proven to suit the local gods. BB Denise W.
[INFOBURST: You can see more of Marabas's teachings on the origins of
Wicca and Shamanism, in particular the use of elemental weapons; in his Beginner's Guide to Witchcraft & Shamanism available instantly for download now on
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Topic RE: dagger and wand posted by windymiller User
posted on January 28, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Hi. Yeah, funnily enough it was a Steven Skinner book that got me to
thinking about this-his reasoning in it as to why its Air Wand and Fire
Dagger does sound quite plausible. I actually agree with you though that
its the Air Dagger and Fire Wand and not the other way around but its
always good to have others opinions!!
Topic dagger and wand posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 28, 2008 at 08:37 PM
The wand is definately fire and the dagger air, though the weapons can
be assigned the other way around, this is a recent alteration to a much
older tradition. Stephen Skinner writes excellent books but he changed
this around without proper evidence - based on his assumptions that a
blind had been employed by earlier writers.
I have used then in both ways and I feel sure that the more traditional way is the correct one.
Of course on an entirely different note, outside of the traditional
magickal elemental weapons, you can have your wand ( s ) consecrated and
charged with any element, force or power as you desire.
Topic elemental weapons posted by windymiller User
posted on January 27, 2008 at 04:04 PM
There seems to be disaggrement over the elemental weapons assigned to
air and fire. As far as I can see, most would say that the weapon for
Air would be the dagger and that for Fire it would be the wand but there
are other people who claim that it is the other way around. In the LBRP
the Archangel Raphael (East and Air) is visualised carrying a wand and
Michael (South and Fire) is carrying a sword (which is basically a BIG
dagger?). So is it the Air Dagger and Fire Wand or as others claim, the
Fire Dagger and Air Wand and should be consecrated as thus? I would like
to hear what forum readers think and why they think it.
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Topic RE: Elephant's hair bracelet ? posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 09:46 AM
[Infoburst: Cripes that's old news. Apparently we used to sell Elephant
Hair Bangles in the 1970s but so did others (the world has changed
rapidly since those halcyon days ;-)) Of course I can feel the heckles
starting to rise in those who have been indoctrinated with the
self-righteousness of the modern ecology movement but ignorant people
never think beyond what they are told to think and domesticated
Elephants aren't harmed by having their hair cut! Marabas says he got so
fed up having to explain this obvious fact that he decided not to
bother and deleted the item from our lists decades ago. M says there is a
very complex relationship regarding occult traditions and the
mega-moralism of Vego-fascists (and before anyone asks, yes I am a
vegetarian myself!) which Wind-in-The-Willows emotionalism simply cannot
understand. For example; Some of the ancient grimoires ask for Dragon's
Blood Ink . ( WHOA! moral outrage approaching the N word effect
begins!) but settle down folks because no, we don't need to kill komodo
dragons to make it, for Dragon's Blood is a colloquial name for the
resin from a Sumatran tree which gives a beautufil RED COLOUR. Of course
some ancient magical texts also call for the sacrifice of a white dove,
but anyone who kills a bird in this way wants his ass kicking because
no adept would countenance animal cruelty - it is completely
unnecessary. It is necessary however to have RED magical ink for
talismans etc. and in the far off days when synthetic dyes were not
available there were few materials to produce deep red other than
Dragon's Blood Resin which is why it is recommended in the grimoires!
Lesson Over. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Elephant's hair bracelet ? posted by Debbie User
posted on July 10, 2008 at 02:12 PM
Dear Sorcerer's Apprentice,
Many years ago a friend gave me a bracelet he said was from 'the
Sorcerer's Apprentice', and made from 'Elephant's hair' (?)
I don't know if you ever sold such a thing but am curious. It
was quite thick black strands but never having seen Elephant's
'hair' I don't know if it was or not. I can't see such a thing
on your online catalogue, and not sure if he meant yourselves ?
Best wishes, Debbie
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Topic Abortions posted by AnnB User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 09:34 PM
edited on August 08, 2008 at 08:36 AM
I have no problem with anyone criticising my action I am at peace with
myself now after many years the saying that your pillow knows all our
tears is very apt.
SO please Denise dont be concerned for me now you are a sweet person who must be good if she likes cats.
Take Care
AnnB I shared this sad little tale for anyone else who may face these problems
A wise conclusion and an important contribution to this thread. So few
women have the strength of spirit or the opportunity to unburden
themselves about this subject precisely due to the 'verbal restraint'
imposed upon them by the Xists. Let's hope this thread helps them. And
yes, I do love cat's, they are delicious marinated for 24 hours in a
garlic sauce. (JOKE!) BB Denise W. ]
Topic Liberty. posted by nome. User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 05:10 PM
edited on August 08, 2008 at 08:43 AM
Perhaps it is guilt, that inspires me to comment. A Teen in the 70's, I grew with the concept of m/f equality.
As a representitive of 'modern man', I apologise, with My heart,
for the atrocious treatment of woman by man over 2,000 yrs. We do our utmost to repair the damage.
To quote Thelemic moral-socio/political objectives, mainly achieved now,
".....No grand cross on a hill for woman, who has silently born Her
pain over millenia" Formed in 1904, the Religion proposes the,
pre-Suffragette, overthrow of Victorian hypocrytical bigotry, largely
achieved by the 'Flower Power' of the 60's, and so forth.
Women, in the U.K.,now have the right to choose, which, I feel, is a significent advance, historically, not always available.
Best Wishes.
[Infoburst Exactly. The modern emancipation and empowerment of women in
our society is a direct result of the loosening of the bonds of
patriarchy and the flowing of the goddess current as the Piscean age
wanes. This isn't feminist dogma I am not highlighting anything other
than fair-do's and a recognition of the positive differences between all
men and all women. BB Denise W]
Topic RE: Abortions posted by Denise W. User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 01:10 PM
[Infoburst: Thanks for sharing that with us AnnB you are a very open
hearted person and it would be a wicked personality who could not
sympathise, however the purpose of this forum is constructive dialectic
and people should be aware that their statements will be criticised in
the light of occult teaching and that this may disturb.
It is, for example absolutely imperative that women escape the
indoctrinated guilt which patriarchal societies have enforced upon us
about our own bodies and our own offspring. You have carried that guilt
for many years, unnecessarily. Unnecessarily to the extent that a woman
would ALWAYS feel responsible for taking such an action but in a truly
free society is able to come to terms with it if it is HER guilt and not
one projected onto her by others, mainly men. No-one is suggesting that
a woman should consider abortions as a form of contraception - that is
evil, but a woman knows instinctively, by and large, what is right both
for her and the quality of life of her prospective child and it is not
her but the human condition which is at fault if she is forced into a
lose-lose choice as you were. It is not therefore right for AnnB to
perpetuate that patriarchal mind-set by warning other women off having
an abortion because she has plainly suffered with guilt for so many
years because of the unrelenting impropaganda of the male Xists who run
our sick society. No woman will lightly undertake such a decision but
must be free to do so without the interference of an anachronistic moral
and legal structure developed and imposed by the minds of mediaeval
religious zealots. BB Denise W.
Topic Abortions posted by AnnB User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 12:06 PM
edited on August 07, 2008 at 01:03 PM
This is a very delicate
Topic and not a question for people who have no experience or need of
this should be so outspoken.I had my first child and he ws given a week
to live but he pulled through this is due to my blood group B-Rheusus
negative with antibodies which can harm children, so we decided that was
that after having been informed my next child would either be born dead
or would be in the Doctors words a monster. The inevitable happened
after stopping the pill at 35 I fell again for four tortured months I
and my husband wavered and then we were told this child was indeed
crippled with twisted muscles and would live but a short time, so we
ahead and aborted her yes it was a girl the one thing I had always
wanted, but she was gone, but forever in my heart that was nearly
25years ago, then her father died and he returned in spirit bringing
with him a shy beautiful child with everything perfect in all details,
Hello mummy its Holly she said, I absolutely broke down but she is
always with her dad now and is happy, but can be a little annoying as
she loves pearls and always wants me to wear them even with jeans and a t
shirt. She is always in pink with of course the pearls Many mediums at
the school I attend have got thrugh to her and daddy comes too of
course. She is a happy bonny spirit and I still love her memory. So
think before you jump on the inevitable band wagon of these awfully bad
people who kill life.Denise that is a good point about men killing every
time they ejaculate.Thankyou.
Topic Embryology/Abortion/Nazis posted by Alan User
posted on May 27, 2008 at 09:20 AM
Hi,
Thanks to Denise for excellent input on the abortion issue.
I agree totally. Regards the direction the thread has taken,
maybe I shouuldn't have quoted Peter H. Gilmore, I had no
idea of any Nazi connections beyond historical ritualism
Satanists might have. If possible could the Nazi/satanist
stuff be moved to a post of its own ? Best to All, Alan.
Topic Satanists and Nazis posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 10:17 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:24 AM
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Topic RE: Manson, satanism and Nazis posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 10:15 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:24 AM
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posted on May 23, 2008 at 11:46 AM
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posted on May 23, 2008 at 11:44 AM
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Topic RE: Satanism and Nazis posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 04:50 AM
This is the bonewitz link I meant:
http://www.neopagan.net/SatanicAdventure.html
Sorry for taking up so much of the Embryology/Abortion
thread !
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Topic RE: Satanism and Nazis posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 04:28 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:20 AM
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Topic Satanism. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 03:52 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:19 AM
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Topic Satanism and Nazis posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 03:20 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:18 AM
Pagan Pete, Please endeavour to keep on
Topic.
If you want to start an associated thread put a small message into the
existing thread announcing a new one and then start a separate new
thread for the subject you want to debate. In this instance I have done
the job for you and moved the 'Satanism and Nazis' thread elsewhere. BB
Denise W
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 03:06 AM
Absolute sincere apologies for flaming, Denise. I respect S.A. and this
site,I will not waste space. I do My utmost to aid Humanity, but as I
was cast back into Geburah, My birthrite, I am not a nice person, when
attacked by qlippothic covens, as I was that day.
I believe the ends will justify my means.To my friends, I am loving, caring etc. Which dosn't justify inflicting my foul side
onto someone in your excellent site. Again, I sincerely apologise,
this will not happen again. Good luck with your work, and thanks for the link.
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:42 AM
Well, Denise, the moderators won't allow truth that might offend, oh,
you are the moderator! Brilliant writing, and high time it was spelled
out! What's next? More Truth?!!!
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:38 AM
"If a Male cannot be celibate for short periods, He's sadly lacking in
basic self control, surely. Incidentally, self imposed celibacy,
including masturbation, is a valuable exercise, plan, say, 6 weeks
celibacy, and see what all that accumulated sex force does! If you will.
Just a thought. " Accumulated sex force ? Yeah I have read the SAFF
Black Museum too!
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 02:58 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:31 AM
Hell anony mouse. What is the saff black museum? I tried to give
inspiration to beginners, and found you, a little coward sneering at me.
Give me your name , boy, then we can etherically/astrally connect.
Explain your sneering and references, please, and show yourself.
Whats your problem with Me trying to help? Why do you feel so worthless? Blame it on your childhood? Not good enough. Come on,
speak.
[Infoburst: No Flaming on this forum Draconuit. Intelligent reposte is
required to avoid waste of space on unnecessary personality clashes. You
can see the Black Museum of Priestly Abuse on this link: http://saff.nfshost.com/sickvics.htm
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 06:10 PM
Here in Ireland condoms were illegal up until 1993. Abortion is still
illegal but most people come over to you in the UK. There was a case
recently of a young girl who was in foster care, she got pregnant and
because she was a ward of the state she had no other option but to have
the baby and give it up for adoption. We still have to pay silly amounts
for condoms and the taxman takes his slice. Things have improved alot
here but still most of the schools that have a decent budget are
catholic run and until Banardos got to Ireland most of the fostering and
care homes were run also by the church. There are a lot of positive
changes happening in Ireland that are freeing up our perceptual
limitations but i do watch wot i say especialy as i have a thick English
accent.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 04:29 PM
Fundies argue that a foetus is alive at the moment of conception. In the
sense that it is alive cellularly then that is true but it has no
independent life until parturition. One may as well claim that every
time a man ejaculates he is killing millions of children because only
one or two sperm will hit their mark and fertilise a cell. And in this
we are getting closer to the truth; because the religious prohibition
against masturbation was based on this idea. Can you see where these
people are going and what exists behind the Vatican's continual
insistence that contraception is a sin? It is a sin because when people
have protected sex they are 'killing babies'. In the 1960s the Vatican
undertook a world-wide study of the implications of The Pill. The result
was Huminae Vitiae, a Papal encyclical which reinforced the catholic
prohibition against contraception - and condemned millions of poverty
struck Catholics to further suffering in the third world. So this debate
is not just about 'abortion'. An argument could easily be posited that
by rejecting birth-control the Vatican sealed the fate of millions of
children who have died undernourished and from disease in the third
world because they were the offspring of parents who simply could not
afford them, in countries where state governments were unable to keep up
with the requirements of their exploding populations. It is easy to
picture a bloody embryo but can the people who put up posters of this
produce one to make it easy for people to visualise a child in Africa
dying slowly and inexorably from curable diseases caused by deficient
diet and malnutrition because some asshole priest has indoctrinated the
parents into the belief that they will burn in hell if they use birth
control methods? Is the epidemic of AIDS in Africa a result of the
promescuity of Africans, or the end result of the interference of
celebate priests who hold that the use of condoms is a sin? BB Denise
W.
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 05:04 AM
Alan asks "Do paths such as Thelema hold a widespread concensus on this
issue?" (Approx.) I have never found reference to this issue
in Thelemic morality, although much is written concerning the
careful nurture and education of children. It was illegal to have
abortions (except in special circumstances) when the framework was
composed. As with all things Thelemic, ' Do your True Will" applies.
True Will= Higher self; Holy Guardian Angel, etc. which manifests as
concience. It is therefore a matter of common sense, as to the
viability of giving birth or not. La Veys opinion that contraception is a more important issue here, is interesting.
If one does not favour contraception, there is the rythm method.
If a Male cannot be celibate for short periods, He's sadly lacking in
basic self control, surely. Incidentally, self imposed celibacy,
including masturbation, is a valuable exercise, plan, say, 6 weeks
celibacy, and see what all that accumulated sex force does! If you
will. Just a thought.
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Topic RE: Satanism/Abortion posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:43 PM
It dose not seem to me that LeVey is outright siding with the
anti-abortion bunch. He might just be saying there a better way, like be
responsible and take birth control. Thats the first bit of Levey I have
read. Cheers, he seems like a cool guy.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Satanism/Abortion posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:32 PM
ps. LaVey essay is called 'The Third Side', here's the snippet from
Peter Gilmore's interview...
PG: I think people should practice birth control rather than use
abortion as an easy way out. Again, the concept of being responsible for
yourself and not to willy-nilly get pregnant unless you are really
interested in carrying forth the child. Since we have overpopulation
generally speaking, I think abortion is something fine to be used, but I
think it should not be used as a means of cleaning up after peoples
irresponsible sexual activity.
DS: Why do you not consider it just another operation? Some people run
or exercise not realizing their limitations and pull a muscle or need an
operation for that.
PG: I would look at it as if I was the fetus, I wouldnt want to be snuffed out. [Laughs]
DS: So is the fetus a sentient being?
PG: Not necessarily, its just a piece of tissue and most human life
doesnt really have that much value on a grand scale. In the universe,
individual life is practically meaningless, its sort of like droplets
in a wave that crashes against a rock. Who cares about the droplets? The
way life works is it is making large amounts of species of whatever it
is, and it keeps moving biologically. I would just think that if it was
myself as the fetus, I have a potential to become the person that I am. I
wouldnt want to be snuffed out.
DS: When do you think life begins?
PG: Life is there, whether it is conscious and valuable is debatable.
DS: You mean just on a cellular level it is functioning?
PG: Yeah, it is life. Sperms and eggs are alive, theyre organic, you
cant say that is not life. But what I think youre looking for is the
idea that Christians wants to say from conception. If people want to
have abortions it really doesnt bother me, I just think they really
should be more responsible. It just makes more sense. Contraception is
easy!
DS: A lot of people dont like contraception.
PG: And a lot of people are morons and irresponsible, so
Topic RE: Satanism/Abortion posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:29 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:35 AM
Leo, LaVey's opinions are in an essay in his last (posthumous) book
Satan speaks. Peter H.Gimore's opinions are on an interview linked
from his page on wikipedia:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Satanism:_An_interview_with_Church_of_Satan_High_Priest_Peter_Gilmore
- Alan.
[Infoburst: I wouldn't rely too much on things found on Wikipedia Alan -
We have for several years been trying to get them to accept a footnote
on their Sorcerer's Apprentice page concerning the fact that we are the
registered trademark holders of that name in the U.K. but Wikipedia
won't have it - it is run by moderators who think every bit of
information offered by a company has to be some kind of sales ploy! BB
Denise W]
Topic Satanism/Abortion posted by Rex User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:09 PM
Alan,
What are your references for the remarks by laVey and Gilmore.
I would have thought they would be more open to 'choice' ?
That said, many Satanists are a bit, er Right wing...
Leo
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 08:17 PM
We have the ability to change things so change them we will.
However, the xists will always bleat on about things that are against
Gods law (in their biblical opinion) and the MPs who follow the same
old xist path for votes will always give the voters what they want.
Science is as per usual held back via the smug xist 5th column in
Westminster but change will come in leaps and bounds whether they like
it or not.
Topic Embryology/Abortion posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Hi All,
With all the news-media coverage of the latest Parliamentary
talks on embryology, cloning, hybrid embryos and the abortion
issue, can forum users of different paths, and the SA give their
opinions on these matters of science and ethics ?
Interestingly I noted that both Anton LaVey and current HP of Church
of Satan Peter H.Gilmore have both made statements expressing personal
anti-abortion feelings, which the uninformed public would
no doubt be confused at as Xtians especially probably think Satanists
are rabid baby killers, but I digress, what are the Aeonic
implications and so on inherent in these matters, and do certain
paths like Wicca, Thelema have a general consensus ?
Alan.
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Topic RE: Enhancing friendship... posted by Karen User
posted on June 09, 2008 at 01:09 AM
Speaking of oils, something's happened to the S.A.'s magical oils page.
It isn't coming up correctly (at least, not on my laptop). Also the
homepage layout is a bit wonky. I know this forum isn't about SA website
tech, but I just thought I'd mention it, as I can't get most of the
oils page to come up.
As for love vs. friendship, I think they very much go together; but at
the moment, I'd settle for a closer friendship or love between friends,
however I/we could manage it...
Topic RE: Enhancing friendship... posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Do you want friendship or love with this man? If love then have you
considered the S.A's lovespell or love and respect oil? I am no expert
so best to ask the S.A for advice but I'm sure they could recommend some
oil. I have used their oils with great success.
Topic RE: Enhancing friendship... posted by Karen User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Well, it's sort of an existing acquaintance that I'd like to be closer.
The individual I'm thinking of is a musician like me, someone I really
want to work with professionally; but he doesn't think we know each
other *well enough* to make this work out. We're on relatively friendly
terms usually; I'd just like it to be a closer friendship. I was
listening to one of his songs online just now, and it makes me quite
sad, as I'm quite sure we could work together quite well, if only I
could talk him into it...
Topic RE: Enhancing friendship... posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Hi Karen, are you talking about someone you want to be friends with or an exsisting friendship that has become strained?
Topic RE: Friendship. posted by Jonathan J User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 03:33 PM
I totally agree with the previous advice.
If your friend is great and cares for you then let things take their
natural course............if not, you will find someone better who can
give you what you need.
Topic Friendship. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 12:19 AM
If your friend suffers cramp, whilst swimming in your local river, do
you invoke The Undines to give aid? Or do you wade in and pull them out?
My point; all things to their own plane, if you want to be friends with
someone, howsabout introducing yourself, and being friendly?
Why not save your Magick force for situations that can only be solved Magickally? Just a thought.
Topic Enhancing friendship... posted by Karen User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 03:03 AM
Does anyone know a good magickal method for enhancing a friendship, or
making a friendship closer and more harmonious? And is there such a
method that does not require both persons to be present? Thanks in
advance for any information...
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Topic RE: evolution posted by Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 02:13 AM
Although I do not claim to know the answer to this question with any
degree of certainty, I have read Doreen Virtue's Earth Angels book. She
talks about incarnated "fantasy creatures" such as Elves, Unicorns, etc.
I choose to accept her philosophy on this
Topic and incorporate that knowledge into my own beliefs. I am certain
The Sorcerer's Apprentice should have many resources on this issue if
you would like to learn more.
Topic evolution posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 05:11 AM
can you instead of reborn became a supernatural creature with no memory of his past?
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Topic RE: Facebook Idea posted by Karen in Seattle User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 01:15 AM
Hmmm...I just found some info on the Cook Report business (from 1988, I
think); and I begin to see what you mean. Here in Seattle and vicinity,
there are a number of Pagan and metaphysical bookstores that are seldom
bothered in a significant way; but Seattle is a lot more progressive
than other parts of the U.S. I can only imagine what the folks at Edge
of the Circle Bookstore would be facing down in, say, South Carolina, or
rural Colorado...
Topic RE: Facebook Idea posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Hi RP and thanks for your kind comments. On the face of it (forgive the
pun) it seems like a good idea and M has indeed considered Face Book,
but there are confidentiality problems with Blogs and this is why
Marabas chose this forum method as a communal debating area instead. As
you know you can say more or less what you want in the S.A.Esoteric
Forum and do so with complete anonymity. Equally everyone who uses it
is, or should be, perfectly aware that it is a public forum and that
many other people, (friends and enemies) will be surfing it regularly.
Thus inately contributors will be careful and moderate their approach
accordingly. As I mentioned on another thread elsewhere in this forum we
are already working on a special webchat system where clients who
sign-in under their client numbers will be able to take part in
real-time in discussions and lectures with Marabas. We think this is a
much safer and more workmanlike option but are open to suggestions for
and against.
As far as Karen's suggestion about staff Blogs is concerned one has to
realise that the people who work here are constantly under attack from
fundamentalists of all persuasions - it comes with the territory. I
won't go into the details of the tricks these anally retentive people
try because it may enthuse more of them, but whenever possible Marabas
always protects his helpers. I well remember during the despicable
persecution of Marabas by the Cook Report, when they laid siege to our
premises, M broke out the Halloween stock and issued face masks to
everyone before we exited the building so that they couldn't be
identified on film. This was particularly crucial in the case of one
female member of staff whom M had given sanctuary to after fleeing from
an abusive relationship. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Facebook Idea posted by Karen User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 12:52 AM
I wonder if the S.A. has any Myspace presence, come to think of it? For
some reason, I can't even recall how I stumbled across the S.A. website;
but I got there, eventually (and got quite hooked on the cyberbooks,
and would purchase and download a lot of other products, if money was no
obstacle...LOL). Do any of the S.A. staff have Myspace or Facebook
pages? I 've got a Myspace page, and just opened one on Facebook; I'm
still sort of figuring out how to maneuver through Facebook...
Anyway, hope everyone in the U.K. is having better weather than here in
Seattle. We got snow on Friday, and we've been nearly freezing to death
this past week. Enjoy spring, everyone...
--Karen
Topic Facebook Idea posted by RP User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 07:18 PM
Hi,
Please don't think of what I have written as presumption. I thought that
I would sound my idea, but just to obtain some feedback with regards to
anything similar that you may be planning for the future.
I was wondering if Marabas and the S.A would consider using Facebook as a
medium for contact with clients? Although not entirely the same thing,
lot of Orders are now running both official and unofficial Facebook as a
means of information exchange,networking and contact.
Another interesting idea that Facebook could support is something for
friends of the S.A, and by that I mean that as a guess, I summise that
there should be some kind of egregore that nearly all S.A clients share -
irrespective of Path. Why? My idea comes from the fact that all regular
clients know that the S.A is the absolute best and also we will have
used many of the same top quality items of paraphernalia be they
incenses,oils,candles a.s.o. as a result then, there should be a subtle
consenses and dare I say fraternity between all.
This is only an idea which you may or may not like but from my own point
of view I think it could work, and that it would be of immense benifit
to the S.A and its clients. What do you think?
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Topic RE: Focus posted by Charisma User
posted on February 01, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Thank you for replying, your advice is the one that makes the most
sense.The best magic I ever performed was candle magic simple spells no
ritual just a circle candles incense and words, fast acting as well.
Since I posted this I have come to the insight that instead of using
different rituals its best to stick to the same format and just tweak
things here and there my ultimate goal(always has been) is to move all
my magic into the astral realm with a temple there so I cut back on my
mind moving with my body which causes the problems.So at the moment I'm
training hard to get to the point where I can move between the 2 worlds
and your advice has cleared up a few sticking points I had thank you for
your time and help. Charismaxx
Topic RE: Focus posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 03:05 PM
Greetings Charisma, Respect!Battling along the Magickal path, with the
added hindrence you endure, is, to my mind, an admirable statement of
self will; I have met several naturally 'gifted' people, too lazy to
learn even how to cast a circle, who have
expected me to reveal the 'mysteries' without going through the 'tedium'
of study and practice,i.e. Hard work!(Naturally, they fall prey to the
unscrupulous.) I may be able to offer a pointer,
some years ago, I repeatedly experienced unexpected samadhi, for some, a
great goal, in other circumstance, a hindrence,I.E. In mid
Ritual, sometimes preceded by a flash of white light within, I would
find myself with no recollection of what I had been doing. I soon
realised, that as long as the initial banishing had been performed, this
was not too bad a situation. I would simply be seated, focuing on a
candle flame, and feel the energies present, I found it helpful to have
the ritual written in minute detail, that when I felt ready, I could
recall how far I'd got. As a brain muscle strengthener, a point drawn
within a circle is good for total concentration of the psyche;
one-pointedness.Contraction.
Without moving your primary focus, expand your vision to encompass
the surrounding circle; expansion. Draw a further circle, grit your jaw
and concentrate your thought on the point, no doubt wrestling with all
sorts of thoughts, so goes it. Expand your conciousness to include the
first, and second circle, still focussing on the centre. Finally, expand
your vision to encompass the entire room. Contract your conciousness to
the 'one pointed' state, then expand; in effect you're flexing new
psychic muscles,
they will grow. So, basically,I suggest you relax with the experience, FEELING the state, whilst practising control in the
long term. Best wishes, T.8
Topic focus and angels posted by charisma User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 09:15 PM
to be honest thats one aspect of magic i haven't done the way i was
raised was not to trust them so i stay away from something i don't know
much about but would welcome advise on it.
thank you for taking the time out to chat though appreciate it
Topic RE: focus posted by Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Sounds like you have many exterior aids... But what about spiritual?
Have you called upon the Angels to ask for strength, endurance, and
clarity? I don't know if we are ever at the level we "want" ... but
don't be so hard on yourself...relax, get your rest and continue to
persevere. I am sure you will be exactly where you are supposed to be.
Blessings,
Patti
Topic focus posted by charisma User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 10:26 PM
I work with crystals and oils and although they do help its still not as
maximised as i want. have already purchased things from SA aswell that
i`m working with started with candle magic from S A when I was 18 now
i`m 35 I do have a lot of experiance in different magic formulas but I
cant seem to master something for me
Topic Focus posted by charisma User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 11:01 AM
I suffer from Asperger's Syndrom a form of autism and one of the worse
parts of it for me is the fact i cant focus on a task to good, moving
from one thing i`m concentrating on to the next is really hard, in
ritual sometimes i have clear thinking other times just confusion.
What I`m asking for is does anyone know any tecknicks which could help
with focus and concentration i have meditated, held a thoughtform, i
have done many other things but need help now as i am trying work on
astral magic and cant hold a thoughtform long enough.
Thanks
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Topic RE: Forum purity/ So What Is Pure? posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 06:00 PM
Surely it is up to the S.A to decide whose threads are to be errased -
and what is the point of that nanny sensorship anyway?? Most occultist's
- I presume? - do not like being sensored,editored,threatened or spied
upon: being told what they can and can't say etc. The pernickety and
easily offended should certainly not bother with a site like this one! A
site which is for genuine occultists, regardless of their
background,training,opinions or sense of humour. If everyone went
pussyfooting around and apologising for their own existence and
individuality all the time - as we have to do in ordinary modern society
- then what would be the point in posting or reading what others have
written? Sensorship creates far more garbage than it could ever
removes!!
The opinionated and repressed seekers should check their sensibilities
with things 'like' Zen. You have to break down the misinformed ego
otherwise you could end up bullshitting yourself about what is correct
and incorrect for the rest of your life!
Marabas blows the gaff on everything in his Mind Control publications.
Thanks for setting up the site.Another great S.A product for the genuine amongst us.
Topic RE: SA value posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:14 PM
Yes - like a good wine time is the essential part of the process. The SA
has, does and will in future be a beacon of insight to many that as yet
do not know where they are going.
Topic RE: SA value posted by Denis User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:15 AM
Thanks for that Pejay, we all work v.hard here to provide genuine
progress for all our clients and it's nice to get some feedback. I have
been working here for years and though we regularly receive unsolicited
testimonials about how the S.A. has changed peoples lives for the better
I too, like you, think that the long-term effect of Marabas's work and
quests is not fully realised by many. As you say time will tell. BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: Forum purity posted by Denise User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:07 AM
Don't worry MrFrisky, Pejay is right - the forum must have the widest
scope possible and as occult beliefs are at the centremost part of each
person's being there's bound to be a passionate dialectic. We expect
that. The overriding consideration is that contributions must be
constructive so all participants can benefit. The pool of exceptional
talent amongst S.A. clientelle will ensure the high-quality of the
threads in our Forum but if you have any reason to complain then email
details of any misuse to the url shown on the front page of our Forum
(i.e. saefATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk. BB Denise W
Topic SA value posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 10:24 AM
I sincerely believe that one day, perhaps in the far distant future,
society will have evolved into a state of greater awareness. This is the
natural progression of our species. When this occurs, man with look
back and realise the great value of the groundbreaking work done by the
Sorcerers Apprentice; work that has helped immensely in allowing
individuals to achieve their quest to be greater beings.
Topic RE: Forum purity posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 10:12 AM
Ensuring forum purity is virtually an impossible task these days and may
not work to anyones best advantage anyway. Bringing in a certain
'chaotic' element ensures a vigour that may be lost if one is too fussy
about content.
Topic Forum purity posted by mrfrisky330 User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 01:14 PM
Hello!
There are a few esoteric forums on the net and all of them seem to be
full of people misusing them for non esoteric communication and they
usually end up being full of jokers and unrelated threads.
How can we ensure this forum is for genuine people? Will non esoteric
threads be erased? Is there someone we can contact if we have evidence
the forum is being misused?
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Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Puretongue User
posted on April 28, 2008 at 03:25 PM
If anyone is concerned about the detail of the new regulations replacing
the FMA, you can see them by following the links from the site Richard
mentioned at the start of this thread.
Since they include a change in the fundamental principles of UK law
(from "innocent until proven guilty" to "prove you didn't con them") it
might be worth a read.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 26, 2008 at 09:04 PM
How true Denise - you have your finger on the pulse I see.
There are frequent apparently unrelated secular beliefs (often not of a
religious nature) which the Evangelical-Machine regularly targets.
Abortion, Euthanasia, Homosexuality etc, all such Freedom-of-Belief
issues come under the fundie sledge hammer as
Topics they'd love to have settled under Holy-Writ! Since the early days
of Christianity, the Church Fathers and their underlings have been
seeking to disenfranchise all unconventional philosophies, which they
identify as conflicting with their absolutist Biblical-Doctrine. Into
this oppressive showground comes COMPLEMENTARY HEALTH. We all know how
Herbalism, Dowsing etc were used during the notorious Burning-Times as
categorical proof of guilt by the inquisitorial 'Matthew-Hopkins' fan
club back in the 1600s. Well nothing has changed that much! The reason
for ancient and modern-day Xtian prejudice herein is largely due to
Holistic Health's long PRE-CHRISTIAN heritage that of course links
intimately with PAGAN FAITH SYSTEMS. If anyone wrongly thinks that
today's Xtian approach is somehow more 'enlightened' then they have
sadly fallen into the mind thrall of the biased system at hand.
Anonymous says:
I believe that legislation of some kind has to exist to protect people
from occult fraud ( because there is a lot of it about, and it does
nothing for the reputation of genuine occultists - quite the reverse).
I disagree and find that response to be the rather naïve and the
slippery slop back to outlawing unpopular forms of occultism like
witchcraft. Legislation is a hammer historically used to crush
unorthodoxy and religious dissent and what makes you think anything has
changed that much? Are you aware that MPs and their minions in the UK,
who pass laws, are still willing to single out persons from Pagan
backgrounds and highlight their beliefs in a negative fashion when it
suits their arrogant purposes? Do you really think you can trust such
politicians to take your beliefs into proper consideration in such
events? I feel that genuine occultists would not need such things
highlighted as I have done above!
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 23, 2008 at 01:47 PM
Hi Sandygrounds - you are right to be both cynical and suspicious. This
is a good opportunity to point out in this thread that amendments to the
FMA are an obfuscation. There are more subtle gambits being used by
Xists , many of which are so cleverly presented that they actually
obtain the approval of unthinking members of the occult community! E.G.
SAFF research proves that The BMA(run by Xists) has for 20 years
campaigned to bring alternative healing methods under their control thru
discrediting alternative therapies. They have been aided in this by
most New Age therapists who have pandered to the medical monopoly
putting everything in the hands of people whose sole intention is to
CRUSH all alternative options. This campaign was piggy-backed onto the
barmy Health and Safety laws which restricted even further the
availability of innocuous raw materials to people who wanted to treat
themselves. Another facet is the state's increasing training of 'Health
Professionals' to seize control over what we eat under the guise of
protecting the nations health. Gingoistic PR against Binge Drinking,
Smoking, etc are the puritanical precursor to a Government Health Id
Card which will demand you live and eat the way the 'professionals' tell
you to. Those who don't will be banned from free NHS care and make you
un-insurable for car, house, accident, (and many other things). Marabas
prophecied all of this and lots more in his Secrets of Mind Control(see
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindctrl.htm ). Yes we must of course
resist negative changes to the FMA but as Sandygrounds says, it is
important that we see what is happening in the bigger picture. Surf the
SAFF website ( http://saff.nfshost.com )and join in with their
strategies. The SAEF is for general occult methodology, not protest. The
SAFF has its own forum ( http://www.pliner.net/appmb2/1c76fb ) and is
the place for more advanced networking on censorship / freedom of speech
issues. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 23, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Its hard to comprehend this debate when we realise that any new
Fraudulent Mediums Act regulation would be promoted and passed by
politicians that largely support the Christian fifth column in
Parliament and all the historically bogus and repressive tripe it stands
for. Such measures would be joy to the Xtian right that is cross-party
and well funded. They would jump in and use such an act to once again
cut into the heart of occultism. The picture is bigger and some need to
open their eyes wider. Due to this I am highly suspicious of anyone
promoting such measures.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act, I'm Anonymous
again! posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 03:58 PM
This heated discussion between Puretongue and Anonymous is important
because it reflects the two main polarisations of the New Age today.
Puretongue is one of many who apparently has had experience of and knows
about people who have suffered victimisation and constant unfairness
due to the oppression of their beliefs by Xists (Marabas's definition of
an Xist is a person who has been indoctrinated with and fully bought
into Western Christian cultural mores to the point at which they see
every other belief as a danger. Often these people are in positions of
influence and make false judgements based not upon secular facts but
upon a crippled, fearful dualistic view which has been impressed upon
them before they were self-aware). Anonymous on the other hand has
apparently never suffered persecution and only knows of those who have
at a distance. This makes his expansive, generous,
'subjugate-thine-enemy-with-love' approach far more comfortable than it
would be if he was actually at the receiving end of subtle and not so
subtle prejudice which is levelled against good people who just happen
to believe in something which the Xists don't agree with. I wonder if
Anonymous has considered the constant persecution of Scientology from
Western governments of all shapes and sizes who use every dirty trick in
the book to try to oppress Scientologists. I am not a scientologists
and often they can be arrogant assholes but the point is that their's is
a good example of how rabid victimisation of a minority can occur.
Anonymous either isn't aware of it or prefers to turn a blind eye.
Before the British Human Rights Act leaders of Scientology were banned
from coming to the U.K. and their claim to be a relgious belief
slandered. Now that they have the freedom to expand here Anonymous can
watch what happens when the Xist machine goes into top-gear to discredit
a belief using the tabloids and complicit media of this country. Watch
this space BB Denise W.
Topic Denise W. mediums act posted by winter_snake User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 10:31 AM
edited on April 18, 2008 at 03:36 PM
Denise could you tell me if the new freud medium's act will affect the
good work that the S.A does. Will we see a line gathering of critics and
materialist,s scientis seeing this as ther oppotunity to shut you guy's
down. Its kind of worrying me.
[Infoburst: Don't worry Wintersnake - the Xists have spent 2,000 years
trying to stifle and suppress freedom of religious and political thought
and as long as only one of us remains free they've lost. Without
getting too heavy, Marabas says that it is the duty of every esotericist
to exercise his/her rights as often as possible and not be cowed by the
verbal restraint, emotional blackmail, political expediency or plain
old unadulterated threats from people who are a drag on the evolution of
the cosmos. This thread has moved off the possibility of an update to
the Fraudulent Mediums Act and into a general discussion on censoring
freedom of speech which, as Puretongue has already said, is more
appropriate to the SAFF's forum if anyone wants to go into more detail
on it there ( http://saff.nfshost.com). M believes there is little chance of a new FMA and so just keep on keeping on. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act, I'm Anonymous again! posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Hello Anonymous
I'm sure we're both thick skinned enough to survive the debate. I have
not at any point taken any offence and certainly meant none myself.
As you say, we've different views. And debate has never really been fostered by everyone agreeing.
The late 1980's and early 1990's showed just how easy it is for society
to be moved towards a more intolerant and dangerous stance towards
minority spirituality. Whilst I accept that most of the scene missed the
broad thrust of what was going on at the time, it was, non the less, an
extremely dangerous period which is having repercussions right down to
this day. If that's paranoia then so be it.
I remind people frequently, if they show an interest in the occult
scene, of the worst of the persecution that destroyed so many lives
because similar, and in some cases, identical psychological manipulation
was used to get and keep the ball rolling more recently.
As there are large and well funded groups of religious bigots that would
like to see us disappear, being aware of the processes that are used is
vital for present day, serious occultists.
I realise also that this is somewhat off
Topic, so I'm going to drop this now. The SAFF website is an excellent resource for anyone interested in this area.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act, I'm Anonymous again! posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 05:06 PM
Hi Puretongue,
I think that we are both way off beam when it comes to judging each other, and after all, this is an anonymous forum!!
We see things from different perspectives. My own stance is that
minority interests have to take into account the larger picture. Britain
is historically Christian but it is still a very secular society.
Britain, for all of its faults, is one of the most tolerant countries in
the world, and occultists are not percecuted more than other minorities
'most' of the time. If anyone tries to throw the system then they are
going to get some crap from the establishment.Human nature is what it is
- it is nothing new, and even Lao Tse advocated that our aim in life
should be to become unknown!
All religious and political factions get trouble!Surely it is better to
remain silent. Why do occultists have to go around bragging about their
beliefs, when the majority of the people will never be sympathetic the
occult.
To return to our debate, I believe that legislation of some kind has to
exist to protect people from occult fraud ( because there is a lot of it
about, and it does nothing for the reputation of genuine occultists -
quite the reverse).Whether the FMA or other, more general anti-fraud
measures can be used to counter liar's and scammers is something of an
open question! Again, I think it is perspective. I think some of your
views are too heavy, even a little paranoid with regard to being
victimized.
Over all, I feel that a general attitude of goodwill is required and
that the only way that this is really possible is through honesty and
integrity. Problem is people need to be forced to play by the rules when
it comes to things like money, goods and services.
A tricky dilemma!
I meant no offence and wish you well
BB
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 01:39 PM
Interesting - you're way off beam with my occupation by the way.
If I were a school teacher I would have to say go back and redo, or at
least read the previous posts through again. It would appear from your
last post, fo example, that you think the FMA (1951) is new legislation
rather than act which is scheduled to be repealed in April.
What price a life? Advocating consumer protection whilst implying we
shouldn't worry about persecution if we're genuine - cos we won't get
caught - and all the time clearly aware that thousands of innocents can
suffer and die in a repressive process. But don't worry - they'll be
able to get their money back from the end of pier fortune teller?
"Today we live in a secular society where no single religion has more
rights than another.." So there's no Blasphemy Act? NO Sunday Trading
laws? NO guaranteed legislative places for the clergy? No Church Courts?
No campaign by other religions to achieve the same legal rights as
Christians? Need I go on? Yes, I suppose I must. Try and get somewhere
registered as a place of worship under UK legislation if you're anything
other than Christian. Or pop along to the family courts and watch
despicable ex partners using someone's interest in the occult to prevent
them seeing their kids (what, betrayed by a nearest and dearest? Never
happen to a mason eh?).
"You seem to have no regard for basic rights: that people deserve
protection from fraud: that we live in a society where we are entitled
to proper justice and if we are pushed on this, to have comsumer rights!
" Well it's been said in other posts by people far better informed than
me, but apparently it will bear repeating. Fraud has been illegal
already. It continues to be illegal today. And no doubt it will be
illegal for the foreseeable future. There are lots of laws which have a
bearing on consumer rights, which can be used against those you clearly
hate,and since you appear to value them more than staying out of prison,
I presume you'll be quite happy.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 06:32 PM
Helllo! It's Anonymous again!
If you are talking about a largely phoney occult scene, then your
reaction is justifiable. If you are trying to say that private adepts or
members of secret magickal fraternities have been persicuted for their
beliefs then you are wrong.
Rosicrucianism and freemasonry have existed for hundreds of years and
its members have not been the victim of the kind of hate you are
speaking of ( a little fuss in Nazi Germany, but nothing on a major
scale, and certainly nothing on the scale of other groups eg.
homosexuals,Jews,Communists etc ).
Furthermore, the Christian Church and the monarchy supported astrology
and magick for hundreds of years.Think of Bacon,Dee,Kelly and Bishop
Grossetest no less!!! Heresy was something else, and for that thousands
of clergy went to the stake,not just a few witches!!The inquisition was
an attack on anyone, or anything that was a threat to the Church (the
ruling elite of the time) not just, or even especially occultists.That
is history! Today we live in a secular society where no single religion
has more rights than another, so why all the fuss about FMA? It won't be
implimented by the Church will it?? It will be used by 'people' to
promote fair play in financial transactions. What is it that frighten's
you Puretonge? Is your livelihood threatened by such legislation when it
is only there to punish con-artists and protect the innocent?
If you get ripped on eBay then you want then you want something to be
done about it don't you? The same rules, and the protection that this
affords, should apply to transactions within the occult ( It is not me
being superior about initiates, but rather you in your role as an
apologist for every type of charlatan.).Are you saying that we should
allow the cheats to get away with fraud? Such a stance is both unethical
and flawed in the extreme. Your stance of resignation towards
fraudulent activity is alarming because the only people it can benfit
are liars and criminals. You seem to have no regard for basic rights:
that people deserve protection from fraud: that we live in a society
where we are entitled to proper justice and if we are pushed on this, to
have comsumer rights!
Think on Puretongue because if you think that your beliefs deserve to be
identified with NAN, then they will always be frowned upon by the
general public as seedy money making scams or at best, an excuse to be
lazy and full of BS.
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Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 08:55 AM
"the Witchcraft Act had no impact on genuine initiates whatsoever,
unless of course they would choose to impress their knowledge onto
others!"
Or got caught in the act, or accused, or owned a bit of land the
authorities fancied, or.. need I go on. And that's just the historical
record. Then there was the proposed legislation a few years ago which
would have seen involvement in the occult scene facing jail for up to
five, yes, count 'em, five years.
But let's not take an interest in that. Let's leave it to others to stop
this occurring, after all, they'll never catch the clever initiate will
they?
Anonymous, I looked at your post supporting legislation in this area,
wondered what you had in mind, and asked you to clarify. Thanks for
doing that. I too strongly dislike many of the ads, and the new age
stuff, although I do believe the simple profusion of the new agers in
general soften the attitudes of many who would otherwise react to us
with hatred. Better to be thought of as someone into NAN than a
dangerous child killer eh?
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 06:49 PM
Hello again! yes this is anonymous replying to Puretongue again.
My point was I do not have legislation and I am not a politician. Your
replies seek to goad me into taking an interest into something which to
my mind is periferal. Genuine occultism always survives because it never
seeks publicity. the FMA and the Witchcraft Act had no impact on
genuine initiates whatsoever, unless of course they would choose to
impress their knowledge onto others! now this is a whole different
debate if we are talking about the right of free speech because we DO
NOT HAVE FREE SPEECH OF ANY KIND AT ALL in the UK. We are as tongue tied
as Puretongue because of PC nannies and control freak - men in grey
suits! I have no objection to free speech but unless there is a complete
change of the ruling elites ( very unlikely ) we are stuck with it!
The S.A are correct in asserting that the thread has become
misinterpreted. I am a loyal S.A customer, and on the basis of that it
is obvious that from my point of view you are at the top of the genuine
key to occultism. OTHERS however, and I have a hatred of rubbish like
premium rate Tarot and astrology lines, and assorted magical and lucky
charms sold in the back of occult scam rags, that I cannot condone a
policy that refuses to prosecute.
A way forward is to insist that 'physical' esoteric goods may be sold
openly i.e you recieve your book or crystal or whatever. Advice of an
esoteric nature could be sold under various conditions and the only fair
way is if the proposed remedy fails then a full refund is given. That
may seem harsh but it would protect all parties - genuine people would
receive or pay for what they require but all charlatans would be totally
discouraged from ripping people off if by law they are bound to refund
all monies to people that have evidence that they have been conned. A
complicated issue, but one that I feel can be solved with some careful
thought.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Oh dear. So no clear idea in mind as to what the legislation should say
in order to discriminate between genuine and charlatan, nor how it could
be enforced or administered? And yet you support it anyway?
Get on to your higher self (the preserve of you initiates remember) and
ask it how the politicians would actually word this law and what the
knock on effects would be. Or perhaps you could look at why the FMA came
into being and how it has actually been used. You might also want to
consider that the SAFF had to mount an all out campaign to prevent a
reintroduction of witchcraft laws a few years ago - laws that would have
seen genuine and fake alike in jail for up to five years.
Finally, it looks as though you have some particular type of legislation
in mind ("HOWEVER, since I have been pushed on the point, I am of the
belief that such legislation would have more benefit than drawback "),
so why not let us into the secret and tell us what you want the
authorities to do i.e. show us your draft. If you don't have a draft in
mind, what exactly are you offering your support to?
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 AM
The long and the short of it is that THE ONLY CERTAINTY IN LIFE IS DEATH
and anyone who pretends to know the Right Way To Live should be shunned
as a pestilence. Who therefore has the wisdom and knowledge to judge
any other brother? Even a dishevelled one? Unfortunately people with no
soul prey on other people all the time. There's plenty of crooks in
ordinary life so there's bound to be the odd one or two within the
occult. Occultists should be that bit smarter and that bit choosier. In
the S.A.'s experience spanning 35 years you can virtually guarantee that
crooks pretending to be occultists are weeded out very quickly before
they can do real damage to anyone. The gods do not favour them and
genuine occultists will not give them space so there is no need to set
up a vigilante group to cater for them - that will do more harm than
good. Certainly we do not want restrictive legislation to 'rubber-stamp'
genuine and non-genuine esoteric interests. As far as megalomanic
troublemakers with delusions of grandeur are concerned (i.e. people who
are not criminal - just misguided) they fulfil an important function -
ultimately it is down to each occultist to become informed as part of
their own evolution and if they aren't quick enough to detect a genuine
teacher from a pretender then they will soon get up to speed once they
realise they've been had. Marabas says that you must give people the
freedom to learn and evolve whatever their state of progress is. It is
our universal right to make and learn from our own mistakes, The
sensible thing to do is to continually PROMOTE THE GENUINE TEACHERS and
ensure that beginners get access to open arenas of debate like this
forum which don't leave much space for pretenders to hide in. BB Denise
W. ENDS
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM
edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 AM
In effect then Marabas says that the Fraudulent Mediums act was simply
yet another attack on freedom of belief because, naturally the Xists
hoped that it would somehow disadvantage the growth in popularity of
spiritism etc.,
Getting rid of it today should make no difference to the way that
genuine occultists conduct themselves and offer services. It is MUCH
easier for the police to prosecute an ordinary case of fraud than it is
to try to do it under the Fraudulent Mediums Act so it was hardly ever
used anyway. There are already powerful laws in place (The
Misrepresentations Act for one, in Britain) which impinge upon any
charlatan offering out bogus esoteric services. It is MUCH easier for
the police to use matter-of-fact statutes of this kind than to get
involved in spiritual debates over whether someone who sets themselves
up as a soothsayer is a fraud or a saint. We would not therefore worry
about the repeal of the Fraudulent Mediums Act and we should not confuse
that with the very real ongoing attempt to suppress alternative/fringe
beliefs of all kinds.
However, all this is a completely different thing to the other
discussion on this thread about genuine seekers 'policing' the occult to
feret out charlatans. We are in full agreement with Richard and
Puretongue. It is absolutely essential that the widest possible spectrum
of lawful involvement is permitted within the crucible of the occult.
The 'window of normality' of Western Occultism is completely alien to
Shamanistic Magicians in Asia. The ramifications of classical mysticism
are utterly different to the way that pantheists see the world. The very
strength of occultism resides in the differences within it. Stand up to
throw stones that man who chose his beliefs when he was 20 who has not
moved to another paradigm by the time he is 40? SEE PART THREE
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:10 AM
This is an excellent and pertinent thread. M has asked me to include
another perspective because it appears that some contributors may be
confusing two issues. The Xists will do anything to avoid the
implications of the supernatural and their politicians will always try
to discredit esotericists as a sacrifice to warn off free-thinkers and
ensure conformity of the masses. In this more or less constant state of
persecution the rights of occultists AND non-conformist freethinkers are
being erroded dramatically in many areas. However it would be very
dangerous for the government to insist upon the prosecution of any
GENUINE spiritualist or diviner. Genuine in this context means that the
person concerned must be able to show that they genuinely and sincerely
believe in what they are doing. This is the yardstick which was
developed by the SAFF (founded by Marabas - see
http://http://saff.nfshost.com ) in their research with the United
Nations reportage on Religion and Belief and which is now enshrined in
U.N. records. Any police force which tried to prosecute a spiritist,
spiritualist, magician or soothsayer based on their beliefs being
counterfeit would immediately open up a barrel of worms nationwide
because if the sincere beliefs of occultists are suspect on the same
basis so must the beliefs of the orthodox religions as well! The
Fraudulent Mediums Act was actually a sensible attempt to repeal the
Witchcraft Act at a time when scientific materialism was gaining sway.
However the old guard Xists insisted on having their puritanical pound
of flesh at the time and projected their prejudice into a replacement
act which was supposed to protect gullible people from being duped by
charlatans (even though there was sufficient 'regular' laws about fraud
for the police to prosecute them whether they committed fraud within or
without an esoteric framework). SEE PART TWO
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Anonymousreturns User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 08:52 PM
It's Anonymous again! Quite simply (my legislation!)don't confuse me
with a politician of any kind and after all it was you who brought up
the subject of the FMA. Not me!
HOWEVER, since I have been pushed on the point, I am of the belief that
such legislation would have more benefit than drawback : it protects
people from unscrupulous con-artists who prey on the unfortunate and the
incredulous.
My guess is that charlatans wish to protect charlatanism for their own
non occult money making scams, and if you happen to fall into that
catagory then that is your problem! Ultimately, con-artists con
themselves into all sorts of misfortune as a consequence of the
misfortune that they bring upon others.Cult leaders may con their
followers some of the time, but they end up conning themselves all of
the time. More to the point, if all these people ever do is lie to their
higher self then any contact that they have with it will be percieved
as a lie, the result is the worst kind of advice possible rather than
the clairvoyance or "powers" that they claim to be the experts of! These
things are the preserve of genuine initiates and a very few so called
masters.
Go and buy yourself a tarot reading or something and learn by your own mistakes.
Anonymous through and through
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Richard Abbot User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 01:03 PM
But it seems that's exactly what they are going to do!
"They burning witches - so what's new?" - someone in the excellent graphic novel Promethea
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Precisely Richard. Since our anonymous corespondent is so keen on
legislation I thought it would be interesting to see what he/she had in
mind beyond "something must be done."
It seems obvious to me that any legislation, due to its inherent limits,
will be incapable of discriminating between the genuine and the
exploiter and so will become a form of persecution.
But anonymous thinks otherwise? I await his draft legislation with great interest.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Richard Abbot User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 04:33 PM
Aren't there many paths to truth? Believe me, i absolutely detest NAN,
Parking Angels, Cosmic Ordering and all that crap, but how does a law
deal with those that peddle rubbish and not effect the SA and those that
are genuine? My experience of politicians, who make the laws, is that
they will not be able to discriminate between truth and fiction and we
will all be tarred with the same brush - one step further toward the
burning of witches again? If you perform a working, or do a reading for
someone, and they are not happy with the results/information,, under
this proposed legislation it is you who will be in trouble, not them for
thinking that you had all the answers and could perform miracles. Isn't
that a dangerous move? I am still undecided...
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Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 04:04 PM
I'd be very interested to see a draft of a workable law that could do this. What did yo have in mind?
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 05, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I still think that the curse of charlatanism is a menace to society.A
read through the classifieds of any prediction type magazines is proof
that con-artists, the deluded and the criminally insane are at work. The
law needs to clearly define what is legitimate business and what is
outright fraud.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 05, 2008 at 08:47 AM
Surely the problem is once they start legislating in this area we'll soon find the law being used for persecution once more?
The FMA is redundant and should be repealed as it provides no real
protection for the public, yet can be used, as it was in Barnsley some
years ago, when real crime (in this case theft) couldn't be proved.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 02:17 PM
we all know that the S.A is the only real trustworthy business in the
modern occult world. Perhaps there are few people who are getting close
to this exceptional standard-but not many!I think that many people in
the occult business are creating a real problem that needs to be dealt
with. Fraudulent rip off premium rate tarot lines, fake astrologers,
fake palmists and tarot readers! Self proclaimed clairvoyants heckling
passers by in the street. This must include the growing plethora of self
styled non-initiate authors on magick and unripe guru's who in their
meglomania set up their own phoney magical orders.
Surely there is a need for some kind of protection, for ordinary
people,seekers of the path as well as the sanctity of the mysteries
themselves???
Topic Fraudulent Mediums Act posted by Richard Abbot User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Hi - i wondered if anyone out there has an opinion on this? Does
something need to be done? Is there anything that can be done? Is it
irrelevant? Will it only affect New Age Nonsense or are we all under
threat? I've been scratching my head about this for a while now, so
thoughts from you all are appreciated - Thanks Richard
"We would also like to bring you up to date about the proposed Repeal of
the Fraudulent Mediums Act. Unless we all make some effort to take
control of events the Act will be replaced in part or in its entirety by
the Consumer Protection Regulations in April 2008. This will place the
onus on the medium, trader in spiritual goods etc to prove that they
were not fraudulent. The Fraudulent Mediums Act put the onus on the
person complaining to prove that the medium was fraudulent."
For details about the law change please go here, although i am sure there will be other links on the web:
http://www.essexspiritguide.co.uk/article.aspx?a=451&p=39
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Topic RE: fumigating clothe's for magical effects posted by kimball User
posted on April 24, 2010 at 09:30 PM
thank's denise. p.s no word from my local m.p as yet but it will come.
Topic RE: fumigating clothe's for magical effects posted by Denise W User
posted on April 06, 2010 at 09:18 AM
edited on April 06, 2010 at 09:21 AM
Willowtree is quite correct in that
Magical Oils can be used in most instances for Results Magic or simple
spells but for high-magick it is standard traditional procedure to fume
parchment talismans, charms, crystal balls, image dolls, and even people
during initiations and exorcisms in incense vapours. Marabas teaches
that as incense burns its molecular structure builds a 'ladder between
planes and acts as an ectoplasm which can transfer and focus magical and
spiritual forces. Anything impregnated with the fumes will also
contract those forces. This is why it is so important to have an incense
or oil which is
traditionally 'balanced' and focussed for the result required and why
those who leave out the use of incense in rites are often unknowingly
denuding their own magical experiments and outcomes. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: fumigating clothe's for magical effects posted by Willowtree User
posted on April 04, 2010 at 03:40 PM
edited on April 06, 2010 at 09:08 AM
I'm no adept nor am I experienced in such matters but from what I've
experienced, personally I would go ahead and use the oil as opposed to
the incense. Perhaps place the oil on your CV? I have used the spellkits
from Marabas and they have worked for me so I think I would just go
ahead and use
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm#P108
But that's just my personal opinion - Denise can put you right on this one :-)
Topic fumigating clothe's for magical effects posted by kimball User
posted on April 03, 2010 at 05:12 PM
I have a magical exsperiment to try out but i want to know if it is
viable. I was wondering if bt fumigating a suit or any other piece of
clothing with a particlar incense you can inbue that clothing with the
power of that incense. for exsample having your suit that you wear for
work fumigated with success in business incense.
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Topic RE: Further Tarot work. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM
My personal interpretation of this prose is: "Work Holy One?" (Who)
: What's your viewpoint? A seperate being within the prescence of The
Other, names, natures places. One day, you may
understand/be...:'Mine-Not Mine.' "Yet unseen only" (You) I cannot give
you the unseen, only point at it. Serious tarot uniting; Deity Yoga;
(Study) As study of the paths progresses, Yoga, uniting, with one's
deity may be enhanced.
The rest: The organs of Lucifer, Who brought Light, are the Sephira and
paths of The Tree.When all enegy stations are active, new understanding
occurs.
The key of the tarot is in its great potency as a personal tool. To read
for others, an occasional thing. It involves diving through,the
card,connecting with the client's mind, telepathy ensues in vision form.
Do you make the
people you read for,E.G. as a profession, aware that you will be examining their psyches, using telepathy?
Topic RE: Further Tarot work. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 28, 2008 at 03:53 PM
The words are valid on a trance like level of knowledge.
Take the first letter of each word, and read the words.
The point? Meanings concealed within meanings.
Topic RE: Further Tarot work. posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 28, 2008 at 10:16 AM
sorry do not understand reply
Topic Further Tarot work. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 27, 2008 at 05:22 AM
Work Holy One? Yet Only Unseen.
Serious Tarot Uniting; Deity Yoga.
Where, How And That?
The Result Empowers Essential
Organs From
Lucifer If Found Entirely
As New Dimentions
Spiritual Organs
Open New. and so 4th.
Topic Clairvoyance / Tarot going deeper? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 09:42 AM
hiya
I went to a tarot reader in the 80s she was the best I had ever seen. My
question is that though she did the cards it is that the actual
insights seemed to come from more than the cards, as in names, places,
etc. Can the tarot reveal all this or does it connect with clairvoyance
away from looking at the tarot. I do not know why but sometimes I get
blocked with the tarot, it is like how can the same card mean something
different to each person, I know the next card modifies and changes it
all but still I get blocked.
This lady was in her 70s she looked very much like Madame Blavatsky, had
that occult energy with her. I would like to know how does one get to
that level of accuracy, is it that someone is born with it, or can it be
developed? If so, what is the way to go deeper with this, as in are
there magic rituals one can do, or is it through meditation and
connecting with spirit, or looking into clairvoyance techniques, just
that I was impressed with names, places, in fact everything was so spot
on.
Also how does one overcome the block of not knowing whether you are
right or wrong in what you say, which is why I ask are there other ways
to bring forth messages, other than symbols of tarot, or am I missing
something.
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Topic RE: Fylfot Stone posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 05:50 AM
If I could find the note I could explain Mouse. I asked if the Fylfot
could be used as an aid to astral projection etc. when I ordered.The
general gist of the answer was that it could by connecting you to
certain powerful energies,If I recall correctly.Maybe one of the staff
could answer this better.
Topic RE: Fylfot Stone posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 08:28 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Hi all, i also have a fylfot stone, and i have used it many times in my
practices,and i found it does work,and it is great to take with you to
the woods or forests,when practicing natural magic.I have found it
usefull in growing herbs and plants.I found that one of my lemon plants
was not growing propley,so i placed the fylfot stone next to the plant
in the pot,after a few days it looked much better.You may not belive it
but its true,and you should try it for yourself.Use your finger and
follow it around as directed and place it in the pot,you will be
suprised at the results.I have never see the real stone either but the
one i have works.Well worth the money.Blessings Chris
[Infoburst: More information and background on the Fylfot Stone here:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/fylfot.htm
Topic RE: Fylfot Stone posted by Mouse User
posted on January 12, 2008 at 05:49 PM
Hard to say; I have done only one ritual, but early indications are good.
Do you mind my asking why you are using it for astral projection? What's
the connection between the fylfot and astral projection?
Cheers,
Mouse
Topic RE: Fylfot Stone posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 12, 2008 at 12:21 AM
I haven`t been to see the original carving, but I do have an S.A. Fylfot
stone and have been attempting to use it for astral projection/lucid
dreaming.It has been hard to determine wether any success came from use
of the Fylfot or the other methods I have been employing.I have also
been trying to use it for pain relief/health problems, it really does
seem to take the edge off sometimes (maybe it`s just having a placebo
effect,but then again maybe not).How about yourself, any noticeable
results?
Topic Fylfot Stone posted by Mouse User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 09:49 PM
My partner gave me a fylfot stone (from the SA) for Yule.
Does anyone else have one? If so, have you used it much, and how do you find working with it?
Also, has anyone gone to see the original carving, and how easy is it to get to?
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Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming. posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 06, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Some people buy the Galantamine and Choline seperately and mix as they
so desire, I am far too lazy and buy the more convenient(but probably
more expensive and less effective)pills from the US via the
internet.There are atleast a couple of different companies selling them
and as I`m not to sure about the rules of this forum I won`t name
them.You could google - lucid dream pills or some such thing - just make
sure they contain the Galantamine and Choline.
Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming. posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 05, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Where do you buy this stuff? Thanks
Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming. posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I`m not to sure they have been tested by the US FDA, although I think
Galantamine is used to treat Alzheimers.They don`t seem to cause much in
the way of side effects for me except greater recall and much more
intense dreams so far.
Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming. posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Sometimes they improve the experience very strongly, producing dreams
upon dreams that go on and on in a very epic way.Sometimes they seem to
do little more than improve recall.The dream structure does seem to hold
better than usual,not going from dreamscene to dreamscene quite so
much,giving a better chance to become lucid.
Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming. posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 03:30 AM
Havn't trid them, but, interseting concept. Could you please describe
them a little? like; What area of brain effected? In what way? Have they
been tested by the U.S. F.D.A?
Interested.
Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming. posted by RP User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:24 PM
No I have not tried. How good is it? Does it REALLY improve the experience or just slightly?
Topic Galantamine and Choline for lucid dreaming. posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:12 PM
Hi, does anyone here use Galantamine and Choline for stimulating lucid dreaming and aiding with recall?
They are available in capsule format (sometimes with Melatonin) from US
suppliers, they have worked quite well for me so far, I just wondered if
anyone else was experimenting with them.Thanks.
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Topic RE: supernatral experience posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Dear Ethericsoul, having only just found this thread, Dear
Brother/sister, you're a natural! 'Sleep paralysis': If you try rocking
your lower body, as if on a swing, you could swing out of your flesh
suit, and travel The Etheric Plane in your Etheric Soul! Of course, as
you're non-plussed currently, Fr,Marabuses and Denises advice is for
you, I simply say, you have 'the gift'.
Very Best wishes, and, when ready, Happy travels!!!
Topic RE: Beginners beware of conmen (or women) posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Oops, sorry wrong section!
Topic Beginners beware of conmen (or women) posted by JJ User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:45 AM
Hi all, dare I mention the name Kevin Carylon on here Denise? Enough
said, no wish to offend the people on this site. Form your own opinion
though by going to
http://www.occultforums.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=342341#post342341
Topic RE: supernatral experience posted by Anonymous User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 06:16 PM
edited on April 22, 2008 at 08:35 AM
this thread has moved away from genuine supernatural experiences into amature renditions of the LBRP?
[Hi Anonymous, It is in the nature of the dialectic of forums for this
to happen. Best thing to do is to contribute a personal supernatural
experience of your own to refocuse this thread again - Denise W]
Topic RE: supernatral experience posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Since the last message I have Practiced LBRP again with no deletrious
effects at all and have done Regardies Middle Pillar Exersise within its
boundaries. I have found it very effective in restoring ones equipose
and peace and harmony and if one does it after a stressfull day at work
one feels restored as if one had not gone to work in all fairness though
i did work with OEXP34 for a month prior to that having got rid of the
old inapropriate lino floor in my workroom and replacing it with black
and white square tile effect laminate which means wherever one stands
one is in white a white square or a black square surrounded by its
opposite colour cross even so I did have a lucid (just having got into
bed dream of levitating and flying around in the room and another of
growing and extening up into space which I managed to catch hold of with
my will but such are good signs arn't they!)
Topic RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences posted by Karen User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 08:25 AM
I don't recall experiencing altered consciousness on trains or buses;
however, I have had somewhat similar experiences at a former job that
involved document coding at a computer all day. Computers can do rather
odd things to one's mind; eventually I had to go outside for walks
during lunch breaks every day just to stay grounded.
I do happen to be clairsentient, and have had encounters with relatives
and at least one musician friend after they passed away. I don't want to
take up too much space elaborating here; but feeling spirit energy is a
fascinating, if sometimes unnerving experience. A bit like a very
abrupt rush of adrenaline...
Topic RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences posted by RP User
posted on March 21, 2008 at 07:57 PM
They look like ordinary photo's to me!!
Topic RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences posted by Mcparted User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 09:02 PM
Living with Marcia over the years, I saw many of the black shadows etc.
almost to many ghostly tales to recount, I took this picture in 2006
about 3.30am on Redcar beach, on a 2 second expoure.
Just after I took it I walked down the slpway towards where the
spooks/entities "whatever" are clearly visible on the picture and saw
nothing.
The fact that the shading covers the sea as well as the sand says that
something must have been between lens and sea.the other odd thing is
that it's been on my site snce 2006, and no one has mentioned it, while
the film pics are frequently mentioned
Steve
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Topic Banishing and encircling rituals posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on March 16, 2008 at 09:39 AM
During my years of interest in magic I have experimented with numerous
different banishing and encircling rituals with different kinds of
result some seeming negative and others positive(see my response in the
the strand on Supernatrual Experiences). I have created this strand
because it could be a fertile
Topic for fruitful discusion in itself as apart from general supernatural experiences.
Topic RE: supernatral experience posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on March 16, 2008 at 09:23 AM
I too have practiced LBRP of the Golden Dawn and yes it does stir things
up and cause waking dreams but of cause ones aim in magic is to
accelerate ones evolution and the dark things that come to light are
probably like limpets that for years have been fastened to the pier of
the unconsious but have been brought to consiousness were they can be
dealt with. Inevitably magical practices will set things into motion and
what has to be dealt with initially may not necesarily be very pleasant
nevertheless it is vital to have to deal with these things initially
that are manifestations of unconsious complexes that are holding the
individual back from magical development. For me magic is about the
emancipation of the individual but before we can be free we have to deal
with those creatures of terror that enslave us from deep within
unconsiously. I had some awful (and yet wonderful) experiences in the
first few years as I tried and fumbled away to use magical techniques to
fight to liberate myself from what seemed to be depression some
experiences being of non human things that would look good in a Dennis
Wheatly black magic movie. Since listening to the Marabas Psychic Self
Defence Tape I now realise I was probably under psychic attack from
factors in the environment such as paranoid and jealous neighbours and
the like. The most powerful Banishing Ritual I practiced which seemed to
cure that and turned my life around competely was the Aurum Solis
Setting of the Wards of Power after doing that consistently starting at
an appropriate Astrologically chosen time my confidence increased
enormously, the magical space establised by it came to feel intensley
and beautifully clean(myself aswell) and after a magical year of some
strange and beautiful visionary experiences while working with
techniques in this system I was able to move on and achieve things in my
life that I could not do before like joining MENSA and going to
university to do a degree. Recently, I have worked an entire month with
the SA version Rosey Cross Ritual and can attest that it is very
effective in calming the astral evironment down and bringing peace and
harmony eliminates tension in the atmosphere and cures insomnia. In my
case at the end of the analysis at the descent of the column of light a
vision of a shield a cross within a circle not rosey red but like the
kabbalistic symbol for Earth with quadrants in Citrine Olive Russet and
Black. I seem to have had some prophetic dreams before doing this ritual
relating to it and this shield (like the back of a GD Pentacle) seems
to come into the mind most readilly but does seem to want to dominate
everything. It may be better to follow a plan like in Israel Regardie's
One Year Manual and ignore the LBRP completely using Rose Cross instead
and do the Middle Pillar within this. Despite being a beginner's ritual
it is probably quite hard to draw accurate pentegrams and visualise them
correctly at first and when you can they tend to burn black bars into a
grey background read Aleister Crowleys Diary John St John and discover
how he visualised them and also if done right you should see the star of
david the sign of the macrocosm above and below you in the column of
light that holds you in the circle. I THINK many people overlook this
very important but vital final stage as this is the stage that cuts you
off from qliphothic or unbalanced elements that are there all the time
in the everyday world and calls down positive celestial powers. Kraig
describes RcR as a cloaking ritual but remove the GD jargon and it is
probably a powerful temple grounding and shielding ritual.
Any way encircling rituals and banishing rituals are of great interest
and perhaps should not corrupt the strand on supernatrual experiences
and deserve a strand for discussion all by themselves.
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Topic RE: supernatral experience posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 10, 2008 at 02:08 AM
edited on March 19, 2008 at 05:47 PM
hi
I stopped the LBRP it was attracting a lot of strange things...vivid
dreams..sleep paralysis..waking up and just having a fear someone was in
my room. I will try Rose Cross Ritual...I have also heard LBRP lights
up the astral...but doesn't the Middle Pillar also do the same
thing...though you mention Rose Cross...I wonder which one would be best
for protecting but also bringing about greater spirit awareness...
[Infoburst: Hi Ethericsoul. You are looking down the wrong end of the
telescope. From this end you got what you asked for. Initiates aren't
surprised when things happen after beginners start practising magical
operations and neither should you be. Surely you would be complaining if
they didn't! Marabas teaches that the 'problem' if any is simply that
when a beginner first opens up their psychic censor there's a whole lot
of astral dross whooshing in and out until they gain control and
balance. The advice is not to take this too seriously. There is nothing
inherently wrong or negative about the Banishing Ritual of the Lesser
Pentagram - it is an excellent rite and we wouldn't want to give it
unnecessary bad press in this Forum - however if you want a magical
exercise to seal up and strengthen your aura (absolutely essential AFTER
a magical working of course) then you should download Marabas's Rosy Cross Rite OEXP034 (you can do this instantly right now from www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm - scroll down the page to Rosy Cross Rite. ) BB, Denise W.]
Topic RE: supernatral experience posted by windymiller User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 07:23 PM
Hi there ethericsoul. With regards to you performing the LBRP and
experiencing dark shadows etc, I have read that this sometimes happens
with this ritual because although it is, amongst other things a
protection rite, it also 'lights' an area and a persons aura up on the
astral and entities who normally would'nt bother are then attracted to
your area. Have you tried the Rose Cross? I have read that this rite
'cloaks' a person from astral nasties. I've practiced the LBRP a few
times (I'm still a beginner) and I have had no strange experiences or
feelings...in fact no feelings at all apart from a calmness once the
rite is complete. Maybe I'm doing it wrong!?!? This is the trouble when a
beginner, ie you don't know if what you are doing is working until
something happens!
Topic RE: supernatral experience posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 04:53 AM
hi
not long after that took place, say a week. I was walking out with a
friend and we both seen a ball of blue light shoot across the floor,
same blue light that happened when I seen my mother.
I was in a waiting room the other day and seen this ball of gold light
but when I looked it disappeared, again to the left. Apparently it is by
consciously looking that we come out of the trance or state of mind we
were in, so a tip would be to just let it be do not suddenly look.
Though when I did this with my mother, it was the ball that was trying
to get me to look where it was coming from. The blue ball was moving,
whereas the gold light just kind of gently appeared did not move but
kind of pulsated once. I have seen a full monk in my room, and as a kid
this black figure stood at the bottom of my bed, it was not the monk as
that appeared when I was getting to age of 20. This black figure was
more menacing ...in black suit. I did once when I was in Devon see this
scruffy guy run from one side of the room to the other, it was there
like a physical but also like a shadow. And when I started doing LBRP I
attracted what I can only describe as balls of black shadow but
sometimes like at the corner of my vision black shadow people. My mother
passed on Valentine's Day in the early 90's and this year 2008 on that
day I was awoke by the strong smell of rose oil...but also like a smell
of death..I used to work in a morgue...so I can only assume it was my
mother making her self known to me again.
I have also had the being pulled out of bed by something as well..that
was scary. I live close to a railway track, but also a cemetary...' I
have this large Native Indian picture on my wall in bedroom and as I am
awaking in middle of night I am drawn to this and for some reason the
Indian is not there but I see images, I think it is more out of the
shape of the Indian but these images are clear and vivid not moving but
like scenes. When you see auras just be still try and raise your mind to
pure spiritual thoughts, try doing breathing like kundalini...and dont
snap into a conscious state be more in a deeper level but still aware. I
did this once and seen spirit walking next to or within the person's
aura, though they were walking by a large lake it was very clear but
like etheric I think the water added to me seeing them because the water
of the lake was in the background of the person behind them as they
walked by. In my other post I asked about ways to develop this sight or
ability..by mediumship tips but also occult tips or rituals...' One
strange thing that did happen to me...I was going to stay in Devon and
before I went I was walking through this alleyway, and this tramp came
towards me with a bottle of drink in his hand, he said don't end up like
me. When I looked around he was gone. I came home from Devon because
the people I went to stay with were all heavy drinkers and so I wonder
about what happened. Was it a full physical materialisation....'
Topic RE: supernatral experience posted by RP User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Hi ethericsoul,
Thank you for sharing your experience. It is a relief to know that I am
not alone in experiencing these powerful materialisations. Some people
have said to me before that an intense blue light accompanies the
experience. Although I see aura's and often sphere's of light, nothing
ever pops out of them - so to speak - into tangiable form - such as we
are speaking of here. The train experiences, that I mentioned earlier in
this thread, were full materialisations but were not accompanied by the
light as you put it - perhaps they were before I encounted the spirits
concerned? I have many photo's that clearly show me surrounded by
spirits, but none of them materialized at the time when the photo's were
taken. I do connect with your experience which sounds every bit as
genuine as mine.
Have you had similar experience since?
Best
RP
Topic RE: supernatral experience posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 11:58 PM
hi
My mother fully materialised about five hours after she was cremated. At
first I was just sat with no TV just looking into space in front of me,
as everyone had gone and I was on my own. Then a ball of ultra blue
light came from the left to being in front of me. I never took much
notice, until the 3rd or 4th time I thought what is that, and then when I
looked where it was coming from a cloud of blue and purple light
appeared, a swirling of energy and my mother fully materialised.
I was in a kind of startled emotion, it was strong, and so I just got up
and said "I am not ready for this" and went to a relatives. Looking
back I wish I had not done that, but it was powerful energy...'
Topic RE: supernatral experience posted by RP User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 06:19 PM
Hi Vitriol,
Electricity and / or friction is possibly a real part of these
phenomena. I remember how in my experiences - described earlier - that
screeches and sparks of metal on metal ( wheels on track ) could have
provided some energy that could be tapped and chanelled in ways
condusive to creating materialisations. When we think about the London
Underground with all those miles of electrical cables, the lighting, the
friction of the wheels on the tracks; much of which will be coarsing
beneath the old graveyards and the remains of the dead ( It would be
enough to wake the dead!! Haha!).
All of this is just conjecture of course. Perhaps trains are simply
convenient places for materializations, especially as they involve a
coming from and going to situation! Yet somehow, intuitively I feel that
there is a strong pseudo scientific / occult connection and
explanation! I think that a lot of experimentation could take place
along the lines ( excuse pun! ) of what we are discussing here.
Sometimes what you are looking for is directly in front of your nose;
one misses the truths one seeks, ever looking for more exotic and
fanciful explanations.
I wonder if miners have similar tales to tell? just a thought!
Best
RP
Topic RE: supernatral exsperience posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L. User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 05:52 PM
Yes it is amazing how all these experiences seem to have the railway
line connection! I wasn't even conscious that they all had a railway
connection until suddenly! eurika! there it was plain an clear! One
thing that is interesting though is the dark spectre moving around the
inner perimetre of the work place caused the lights to go off and on as
it passed by which seems to imply that its manifestation somehow
requires or it feeds on a lot of electrons and modern railway lines have
overhead power cables which must be a powerful source of energy. Also
the Smurl family haunting case in America who were perstered by a dark
manifestation sufferred astronomical electicity bills which they could
not account for.
Topic RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 05:32 PM
Thank you for that Denise! I do not have that tape yet but will acquire
it soon. I have found that a number of situations will put me into that
reverie state that Marabas writes about. I have sliped into it whilst
watching films and when listening to classical music in which it seems
to work better with lesser known rather than great composers. Whilst
watching Pirates of The Carribean I had a vision of the full moon and
visions of pirates ships and the sea of a very surley nature which were
entirely different and unique compared with what was going on the screen
itself and Ferdinand Ries Piano concerto no 1 in C major precipitated
what seemed to be a vision of the composer followed by a walking down
the street life like view of what seemed to be a street in early 19th
century Vienna. If I get into a relaxed state these days I tend to get
very many experiences like this. The ones brought on by incense after a
ritual tend to be specific to the purpose of the ritual. It follows that
correct focus and correspondences in accordance with this state should
open up the vistas of power intended all one needs is the time and
patience as well as the will power to apply it.
Topic RE: supernatral exsperience posted by RP User
posted on February 23, 2008 at 07:43 PM
Hey thanks for this intersting story. As you know my own tale did not
involve the sort of dark figure that you mention Vitriol. However,what
you say is very interesting because I have long held the belief, because
my direct experience, that we are not talking entirely in terms of ASC
but that indeed actual materialisation can and does occurr. The fact
that you say that the CCTV footage evidences the appearance of the
figure you mention is fantastic.
It may seem really bizarre to some of our readers but trains (I have not
had paranormal bus experiences) really do seem to be very attractive
environments to those who wish to communicate with us from the other
side. In my case on several occasions, as if those departed were still
living. Very strangely and years after my first encounter on that train
between Istanbul and Athens ( 1988 ) and subsequently to meeting my
partners deceased father, Edinburgh to Lincoln ( 2001 ) I saw a
documentary on TV about the London Underground. It's supposed to be the
most haunted place in the world - it is of course a network of
underground trains that constantly drive through the graveyards all
around, past and present. Furthermore, CCTV footage had been obtained of
some of the apparitions but this was not used in the programme -
probably because it would have been considered just too scary for
general consumption!
Please do contribute more - anyone - if you have had similar experiences
because this thread is really moving towards understanding the nature
of these and similar phenomenon.
Thanks Denese and SA generally for hosting this forum. It is bound to draw the more serious, curious and studious amongst us.
Topic RE: supernatral exsperience posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 23, 2008 at 04:50 PM
Dark Spectres of that kind seem to be quite common; i have heard
numerous stories from people experiencing them. My own experience
happened about 20 years ago. I had caught the night bus 14 home having
been at a night club and whilst walking up Albert Road at about 2:30 am
the railway bridge was in view and I was walking towards it all alone.
Going under the bridge the road goes up a slope and from the part of the
road underneath the bridge I saw a small black moving rectangular shape
appear which coming towards me out of the sloping road becoming larger
and larger until it was a full black hooded shadowy faceless form. It
was totally nonchalant and disinterested in me and all it appeared to do
was to turn left into some waste ground by the side of the railway
track and I was totally bewildered by the experience. The experience of a
manifestation I find is always alot less scarry than the idea of one.
At my current workplace which is on the Washwood Heath Road the security
men have told me that they have caught such an entity on CCTV and have
the tape. The place is security locked and nobody is in there at about
12.30am but the cameras picked up the image of something of that kind
walking around the inside perimeter of the building causing the lights
to go on and of as it went past them. Interestingly the building is
several miles up the very same railway line and the railway line to
Coventry goes right past the building so perhaps there is somehow a
connection between railway lines and this type of entity.
In disgusing the same
Topic a black lady called Sue who used to work with me told me of an
incident where her nephew; a formidable black youth suddenly started
yelling and shouting get out of my room complaing that there was a black
figure in his bedroom. I myself have never encountered such a thing at
home.
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Topic RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 19, 2008 at 11:41 AM
edited on April 14, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Hi all, great thread. Marabas teaches that falling into Altered States
of Consciousness on a train or bus is a regular phenomenon and not
surprising, particularly on a train where images flash past at a
constant rate backed up by the clickety clack of the tracks so that the
visual and auditory centres of the brain are closely entrained, often
into Alpha rythm. Like all initiates Marabas knows the importance of the
frequency or vibration of thought. Many years ago he arranged the
S.A.'s Psychotronic Sound Tape which is a powerful collection of sonic
and sub-sonic waveforms of the most useful type to occultists which can
be either played straight out of the box or looped to provide
frequencies to bring on/develop Astral Projection, clairvoyance, trance
etc. [type www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm into your
browsers's location window and scroll down the page for more information
on the Psychotronic Sound Tape]. Of course the key thing is what one
DOES with the ASC achieved. If one does not focus it under will then all
manner of psychic phenomena will randomly occur depending upon a wide
spectrum of possibilities linked to, say, discarnate entities who may
have wanted to make contact with you for some while past, to the
flailings of the unconscious mind, thru a breakthrough linked to recent
magical workings. I think the debate about the difference between
etheric and dream time is a misdirection. Physical reality is only more
real to us than other dimensions because it is where consciousness
functions most. In fact ALL states or ASC are as valid therefore it is
not necessary to posit one as being more real than another. Nothing
happens by chance - everything has portent. BB Denise W.
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Topic supernatral exsperience posted by kimball User
posted on February 18, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Iv had a lot of small supernatral momment's but the one that top it for
me was seeing my thirst shadow man or shadow like entity. I was not
scared but a banishing rite was in order i felt.
Topic RE: Supernatural Experiences Whilst Travelling posted by RP User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 06:44 PM
Thank you, and I see where you are coming from. Most of our books on
magick and spiritualism have conditioned us into believing that it
'must' be a vision or a dream and not much is said about ethereal
experiences, because perhaps it makes us feel a little uncomfortable!?
However, as amazing as this sounds I really did meet him in all of his
(what would be have to be considered) 'physical' glory even though he
was several months dead after a terrible accident.I went to his funeral
and buriel and I kind of thought well that's it then!
It was only after the encounter, which incidentally took place on a
train travelling between Turkey and Greece in August 1988, that it
dawned upon me that it had to happen! When we were in 6th form together
we had a silly boyish dream of joining the Foriegn Legion together.In
one of our conversations he grabbed hold of my hand and said ( and I
will never forget it!) " The first to die comes back to see the other!!"
I was so shocked by this that I tried to pull my hand away and I would
not sware it with him.But he insisted and refused to let go of my hand
even when I said " I don't want to sware this because I know that it
will not be me that goes first!" ( somehow I just knew it! ) He insisted
that we sware it and so we did. In other words, we had made a tryst
that could not be broken - and thus it came to pass that he probably had
no choice but to return to see me in the astonishing way that he did.He
was not alone either, there was a guide, a most beautiful and dainty
woman!
I leave you to ponder with that for a while. Have a Great New Year.
Off down the pub.
Topic RE: Supernatural Experiences Whilst Travelling posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 05:26 PM
Well it was hardly a whispy ghosty at the time I experienced her but
very plain and clear what failed come through in the original reply is
that she actually banged on the window very audibly and strong next to
where I was sitting so when I looked at her I could see her face very
plain and clearly like any ordinary person that is why I say that it was
like an etheric vision because those I understand are the strong ones
in which one is transported to another dimension and things seem as
plain and as clear as in this one.
Anyway as a person interested in Magick I have kept dream diaries and in
1996 I had a six months experience of meeting and talking to a person
in dreams who I had known and worked with but had very quickly developed
lung cancer of the highly malignant oat cell kind and had died within
the space of six months to that. I kept on seeing him in subsequent
dreams which were often in party settings of the kind had by the people I
worked for. For personal reasons I had ceased to work for them but I
still attended the funeral of this well known local man of the people.
The settings where like at a party in the pub sharing a drink together
and he knew exactly why I had left but encouraged me to come out and
work for them again (which incidently I did not). I even said to him
'You do realise you are dead don,t you and that you need to move
forward, move on ! but then he would look extreemly hurt and would come
back in further dreams on subsequent nights. From six months after his
death I never had any reoccurance of meeting him in the dreams. After a
six months it was the local political elections in which he would have
been re-elected had he lived.
I have never met someone on the physical plane in the way you describe
although I had an encounter with something of a non human kind in that
way 12 years ago during a bad time which I now realise since listening
to Frater Marabas tape on Psychic Self Defence was probably part of
psychic attach but I did not realise it at the time as I struggled with
what seemed to be depression. What I will say however is an etheric
experience is so real that it can seem that you are actually on the
physical plane when you experience it as with me and the girl and
perhaps this is what happened to you and your deceased friend. Indeed if
it was important for them to communicate with you it would much more
likely be in this way as they are now longer physical beings but don't
underestimate an etheric experience it is far differnet from an astral
vision it is just as if you are actually there.
If the dead want to talk to you it seems much easier and more likely
that they would communicate to you in dreams as in my own example which I
described above.
Topic RE: Supernatural Experiences Whilst Travelling posted by RP User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 01:48 PM
Nice to have some feedback and your story. It is a relief to know that I
am not alone in having had full on encounters with the deceased.
Although I have been of the opinion that we all have these experiences
but that if we are not switched on to it, we do not recognise them when
they happen ie the strange but nice telephone call (wrong number), the
stranger asking for directions (you sort of recognise him but you feel
silly making mention of it "You look just like my Gandpa!!") and the
list could go on and on.
Has anyone else had real and direct walking talking experiences with the
deceased - not as whispy ghosties, but as REAL people as you once knew
them when they were living?
Topic Supernatural Experiences Whilst Travelling posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 20, 2007 at 11:09 AM
That Is interesting because I too have had some strange and interesting
visions whilst travelling at speed on buses which I try to note down
when I get them but on one occasion I had a an experience of the etheric
kind in which I seemed to witness a ghost of a young girl of about 14
whilst travelling to work on a 97 the experience happened in the
November of 2006 and I had experienced a number of visions on successive
days whilst traveling from the Heath Mill lane in Deritend to
Selfridges in the City Centre (as follows): the bus was travelling from
the Moat house Lane to Selfridges which involves the bus turing two
corners I suddenly became aware of this young brunnette dressed in what
seemed to be a white nightdress sitting in the single seat behind where
the driver sits. When the bus stopped outside Selfridges and opened its
doors she ran off the bus quickly round to the window where I was
sitting I saw what appeared to be a very goodlooking 14 year old girl
but then I clicked into normal consciousness and realised that the whole
thing had been witnessed on the astral counterpart of the bus and that I
had experienced a random supernatrual experience probably brought on by
occult psychospiritual excersises but the whole thing seemed to suggest
that it was a local ghost that wished me to be aware of its presence in
the area. I have found that the turning of corners in a relaxed state
often stimulates visions. Is this because corners are interfaces between
one direction and another and interfaces are known to be magically very
potent. The event seemed random and didn't carry a lot of meaning for
me but it was interesting and intense.
Topic Genuine Supernatural Experiences posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 07:31 PM
I would like to start a new thread about paranormal experiences.I hope
that postings can uncover a few simularities and that a discussion can
begin.
Rather than write at length, I will begin by making a statement which
may stimulate some interest? I am prepared to say that I have had many
paranormal experiences while travelling by train. Further still, I
assert that I had a direct paranormal encounter/experience with a friend
who had tragically passed over at the age of only 20.The experience
lasted a number of hours and he was as real as if he were living!
Now these things can - and do - happen anywhere (?) but so often these and similar things have occured on a train!
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Topic RE: getting rid of old talismans posted by JK User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 11:59 AM
I made a mistake in my last posting. It is either
Chinese wash or river water with ROCK salt
according to Marabas's instructions.-JK
Topic RE: getting rid of old talismans posted by kimball User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 09:47 PM
thanks for the advice. sadly i cant since most of the front of the
talismans has rip off. how ever i will be buying replasments. One of
them save my life so a worthwhile investment.
Topic RE: getting rid of old talismans posted by JK User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 08:33 PM
Hi Kimball,
As far as I can remember these talismans come with instructions
detailing how to depersonalise them using either Chinese wash
from the SA or a mixture of river water and sea salt. I suppose
you could cleanse them with such a solution in a ritual manner
to be sure.
How did your Talismans work for you ? Couldn't you re-laminate them ?
JK
Topic getting rid of old talismans posted by kimball User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 02:33 PM
Does any one know how to bury throw away old talismans with out having a
negative effect apone the user. since ive been using marabas's talisman
set some of them are starting to fall apart due to me wearing them
everywear. please could anyone advise
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Topic Ghosts/Spirits posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Mark,
This could apply to the thread elsewhere on the forum about Ouija
boards. A small group of friends and I were using the ouija on
every Friday night some time back and communications varied but
sometimes were very clear and strong. One night, getting up to
put the lights on I looked over my shoulder for a split second I
saw a shadowy figure and glimpsed his face standing behind where
I'd been sitting. You never forget those things. Scary but made me
smile !
Best, Alan.
Topic Ghosts/Spirits posted by Mark User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 06:44 AM
Has anyone else here ever seen a ghost, spirit or other manifested
being, especially very solid, real and verified by another person ? This
has happened to me twice although many years back now. On one occasion I
and a friend both saw from outdoors a very solid looking human (old
man, clothed) looking out of an upstairs window of my home...we thought a
drunk or senile person had gotten in and went to find him: no trace.
This was in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon. Second experience was
far more dramatic, some years later walking my dog with a friend through
local woods/country park we took a lesser travelled shortcut, this was
at sundown in late summer and inside this area it was pretty dark: a
very tall shrouded figure of glowing light, fading from chest down
appeared from about 100 feet away and shot past us at great speed, about
10 feet from us. Can anyone tell me what these kinds of spirits these
were, and are they conscious/live beings ?
Love to hear your opinions/stories, Thanks, Mark.
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Topic RE: Pentagam workings. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 10:34 PM
edited on August 14, 2008 at 04:05 PM
Thanks Nome that was a great compliment. Pete Carrolls Gnostic Pentergram Ritual is in his book
Liber Kaos available from the S.A. Nice one for the Right hand tip.
Ricenpeas
P.S. LBRP, my mistake.
Topic RE: Pentagam workings. posted by nome User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 09:10 PM
Hi again, I saib 'brlp' you say 'lbr'; much better term.
The right hemisphere of the brain controls the left of the body, and
vice versa. The right-brain is imaginative, artistic, poetic, intuitive,
the place where ones magickal self resides, working through the left
side of body. The logical side of the brain controls the right side of
body, the currently dominant brain hemisphere; hence, greater strength
in your right hand.
Serenity, One-All. nome
Topic Pentagam workings. posted by nome. User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 08:53 PM
Hi, Rice'n'peas, nice.
I've watched your meteoric ascent with facination; the fastest I've ever
seen, and I honestly can't disagree with any of your comments.
It seems, to My mind, that you are a prominent contributer, here,
beginners will listen to you. You're obviously conversant with S.A.
teaching as matters stand today. If I were a newby, I'd wonder "Who's
Pete? How do I contact him, to buy this priceless knowledge?" Might I
politely point this out, that you may direct the questioner to the right
place? I love your 'Lion of a man' comment. Brilliant!
Yes, BRlP does what you say, a good solid basis for all Ritual; your
choice now, suits YOU now. You explain Magickal matters well: Wise. I'll
be busy in a retreat. Able to comment if needed. I wonder how far
you'll have gone in a couple of months? Hmmm!?!? Hope All goes well for
you, in All aspects. Sent with sincere, Very best wishies; nome.
Topic RE: Pentagram Rituals. posted by ricenpeas User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 02:02 PM
I am in a better position to try and answer this now Nome as Ive done it
a few times. Pete has cut and paste the middle pillar with banishing
ritual. As always he gives the bones and leaves the fleshing out to the
opperator. The vowels are vibrated to increase focus. Im still unsure
why it leads with the left but i did find it took more conscentration as
i am right handed.
Given the chance again i would learn 1 banishing ritual and then move on
to the next but here we are. Moreover I would learn the LBR first as it
has everything contained to link the micro/macro. The GPR needs alot of
filling and as a Novice that can just cause confusion. I dont reject
the GPR in any way, infact I think it has a lot to yeald, but to be
honest, if my diary would let me, i would stick to the LBR for now.
Ricenpeas
Topic Im Ok posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Cheers for that but i m sorted. LBRP in the morning GPR in the evening .
You can type "Gnostic Pentagram Ritual" in to google if you like.
Ricenpeas
Topic Pentagram Rituals. posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 09:44 AM
Hiya Rice'n'peas, you're all over the shop of late. What, pray tell, is The Gnostic Pentagram Ritual?
Topic Gnostic Pentergram Ritual posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 02:29 PM
I recently began practicing Regardies LBRP and M.s Ring Not Pass and i
am having some great results. Looking up Pete Carrolls GBR I find a
different style of banishing ritual and I am eager to incorporate this
into my practices. What are the advantages/disadvantages to practicing
both forms of BR.
Cheers
Rice n Peas
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Topic RE: luck9 posted by New but niave? User
posted on October 29, 2008 at 11:00 AM
edited on October 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Are gods and planets one and the same? ie, mars is a god and a planet so
when we refer to a god is it the planet we are referring to also?
[Infoburst: This is a tricky one and does not really connect with the
gist of this thread which is about the existence of a Cosmic Plan or
Intelligence called god. Your enquiry is about how the godforce
manifests. This is complex. We don't have space here to extrapolate
fully but let's try. Marabas teaches that 'god' is a convenient name for
a vibrational force complex which can be represented in many different
ways (symbols, images, sounds, colours, etc all of which are
corresponded attributes of the force-complex) These vibrations exist
around us all the time causing the various phenomena we think of as
'reality' but we become sensitive to them and can focus them using
magic. Thus the classical image of Mars designed by the romans captures
the warrior-like forces of the god and his ray or vibrational current is
manifested through the red planet, in spilled blood (red life force),
iron (red iron ore for weapons), Red Dawns, Red Mist Anger (Bezerkers)
etc. etc. etc. To understand more of this and learn how to focus the
gods in magic
you should read Marabas's Candle Magick Spellbook here - it will
astonish you and open up doors you never thought possible. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: luck9 posted by Scott User
posted on October 28, 2008 at 02:41 PM
edited on October 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Er...
Which God are you on about?
[Infoburst: Precisely.... BB Denise W]
Topic luck9 posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 23, 2008 at 11:07 AM
edited on October 27, 2008 at 04:44 PM
...don't think it matters whether God is him/her, the Divine encompasses
both and all that is good. God may be called upon in need and it is
upon this Higher Intelligence we all depend even for our breath. I say
"Higher" intelligence because it is outside of us......the things that
happen are decided "above", before thay ere manifested
"below"..........it is all seeing, all wise, in a way that ordinary
human beings are not...........
[Infoburst: Well God would have to be BOTH mail and female wouldn't
heshe? But if you are so certain that 'god' would be 'higher' why is
there so much in life that is patently evil. I am not here talking of
cosmic evil - just plain old human evil taking place as we write. Is
that a 'higher' plan of the god you speak of or what? You can say that
God IS breath (that is, the giver of life-force) but is it? Space
scientists recently found life which was not dependent on breath as we
know it so your statement begs a further definition of what you mean by
breath and whether it is the crucial thing you think it is? Why must we
call upon a god if we want to be magnanimous? BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: God posted by luck9 User
posted on October 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
edited on October 20, 2008 at 01:41 PM
...of course God exists. Ever read the Bible/Quran etc?
Most intelligent people these days recognise that there is a Divine
Being, a Higher Intelligence/ life force........to say there is no
creative intelligence higher than us is ludicrous.
[Infoburst: Your opinion is only of partial value Luck9 we want the
facts - how do you define Creative Intelligence and why must it be
Higher than us. What would you think if God turned out to be a Her not a
Him. BB Denise W.
Topic God posted by Newbie User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Does God really exist ? If he does nt Ill be really upset.
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Topic RE: Goetic Spirits posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 07, 2008 at 04:24 AM
The rule of the g. is: Bring food, or be food. Your armchair inadvertant summoning suggests
Topic RE: Goetic Spirits posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on April 28, 2008 at 10:26 AM
I am suprised that nobody has noticed this error of mine! Although the
spirits would fit nicely into five degree quintenances and thefore would
in that case fall nicely under the domains of the angels of the
schemhamphorash the actual classification of these in Liber 777 are as
36 each night and day demons under the decans of the zodiac my
appologies for the misinformation!
Topic RE: Goetic Spirits posted by Draconuit. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:53 AM
Fulofmanflu, now then; then now! you are a very naughty old witch.
" ooh no guv, i never done it"
Such an innocent! But,... what if yor slithering was observed with amusement! Just for you, a foe,gor!
Spiral bandage, to cone on head? Just for you? A 900 yr. old demon>? Blessed be you. Now,
Topic RE: Goetic Spirits posted by fullofmanflu User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Hi V.I.T.R.I.O.L. Point taken that because 2 entities share similar ish
sounding names then it does not automatically follow that they must in
fact be the same entity. I am not sure that the people who's theory this
is have based their assumption solely on the fact that 2 entities names
sound similar though! I would like to say this is not my personal
opinion about the spirits but is merely one of the theories that I read
in many books. I do agree with you though when you say that a persons
state of mind is a factor when evoking these beings. Also I strongly
agree that the manner in which they are treated plays a significant
part. A few years ago I did experiment with seals of a couple of the
Spirits that I made and consecrated myself and used in much the same way
as the S.A's Universal Talisman Kit but that is as far as my practical
knowledge of the Goetia goes-I have not yet evoked any spirit (Angelic,
Elemental or whatever) because I am very much on the early steps of my
path and still learning the basic skills and techniques that are
required for ANY type of working. Having said all that though, the
Goetia is a fascinating document and whether it is as old as Solomon or
Medieval in origin is another point of debate. Or more probably it is a
document that contains information dating back to Solomon but has been
'messed' around with by medieval scholars-hence the introduction of an
almost feudal heirachy system, etc. I'm not sure but it would be good to
have other peoples thoughts on this document and the Spitits therein.
Topic RE: Goetic Spirits posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 06:22 PM
edited on January 09, 2008 at 04:03 PM
Personally I dislike the word demon when used to describe spiritual
beings. The early Christians where apt do demonise all gods but their
own. Best to see spiritual beings as powers or forces whether they are
harmful or benefical depends on the state of mind of the operater and
understanding of how to approach them correctly and for the right
reasons. The Goetia is interesting and comes from the Lemegeton or
lesser key of King Solomon The KIng. It presents 72 spirits each given
rulership over each of the quintenences That is 5 degree divisions of
the zodiac: see Aleister Crowley's Book 777.[INFOBURST: For more
information and prices on Liber 777 and The Key of Solomon, highlight, copy and paste the following link into your browser's Location window-
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/books1.htm ]
A small number of the spirits Bael Amon Astaroth for instance have some
phonetic resemblance to gods of the ancient world. This is all! It is
however phonetic resemblance as the character of these divinites of high
state gods and their images are totally different from those of the
spirits and there natural provenances much much greater. I have not got
to the stage yet were I would feel confident about experimenting with
these beings. If I were to I would study the Shemhamphorash as this
yeilds the names of 72 angels that I imagine would form part of the
invokation before evoking these beings. There is a splendid little
candle magic kit done by Llewellyn giving cards and sigils as well as a
system of divination based on them by Pricilla Schwie and Aleister
Crowley's Illustrated Goetia the latter of which I got from the SA A few
years ago.
Topic RE: Goetia posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Hi 'Fulofmanflu', I'm glad you found my viewpoint interesting, and I
thank the fates you're so sensible about this. It's a two way street,
your unique viewpoint shows me another aspect of life. I was aware of
some, though not all of the entities mentioned. I am now...
Hopefully, some other writers will contribute different viewpoints.
I, also will ponder.
Thankyou.
Topic RE: Goetia posted by fullofmanflu User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 08:48 PM
Hi Red Dragon, thanks for your comments-much appreciated. I would like
to say that I have NO desire to attempt a Goetic operation at this stage
or even to attempt ANY kind of evocation (either to the astral or
physical)-these kinds of operations are for a far far more advanced
student than myself! I am aware of the information regarding the Goetic
spirits as being 'Fallen Angels' and that some of them do wish to return
to heaven in a few thousand years but, as I am sure you are aware,
there is other information that claims that many of the spirits are in
fact earlier Gods/Godesses, eg BAEL is claimed to be a form of the
Caananite God BAAL, ASTAROTH is claimed to be a form of the Caananite
Godess ASTARTE and so on. As to these entities being 'friendly', then
there is a lot of information that clearly states that a person is
taking his/her life into their own hands when performing an
operation....however there is equal information from people who
regularly perform Goetic evocations and they talk of SOME of these
spirits being quite friendly-MARBAS, VASAGOO and BAEL for example. I am
pondering on this. You are obviously an advanced practitioner Red Dragon
and I thank you for your time and your comments. These are the kind of
remarks and comments I was hoping for. Thank you.
Topic Goetia posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 06:31 PM
Dear fellow Aspirant; Wow! I'm a Thelemite, our rule is to help fellow
aspirants, if able. As you're not a Thelemite, I could wriggle out of
it, but I've known a lot of'demons.' So let's get this straight:You can
treat these phenomena as purely subjective, parts of your mind, whatever
suits. I must say there are many varieties of demon, Your reference to
them being 'old Gods' is probably due to the historical repetition: The
conquering race/religion declares the god of the conquered to be 'the
devil', e.g. The Christians portrayed the goat legged horned God of
ancient Britain as 'the devil.'(as a Thelemite, I don't believe in the
devil, but am aware of demons.) As You evolve, you will naturally
confront many demons, they, together with your subconcious 'hang ups'
must be dealt with before magick proper can begin. Thereafter, each time
you attain unto a new height, meeting an Angel, or God, you will have
to deal with the opposite thereof, the demon; Power cannot be destroyed,
only transmuted, I leave you to ponder on that. You personal demons are
like a bunch of wild animals, train them. As you look 'up' to your idea
of God, so they, your demons, should consider you their 'god', and
afford respect accordingly; train them, they will bear you well. A vast
subject, when exploring the Empyrean (Astral realms) you will come
across 'qlippothic'(hell type)entities called shells. They are the cast
off lower levels of mans nature,the base, vile parts of humanity,sort of
automotans, which have a small amount of spiritual consciousness left.
An entirely different type of demon is the goetic demon; they are the
result of 'The Fall' they have been around for a long time, and are not
stupid, some hope to be reinstated in Heaven, after, say, 1200 yrs. Each
controls many thousands of evil spirits.-- When a noted, much honoured
Thelemite was considering evoking the goetia, He wrote to his Guru, Her
reply was "For Heavans sake, NO!" probably having witnessed many more
total disasters than successful workings. You are a beginner, hence my
long attempt to explain the basics;hopefully others will add comments.
Finally, you talk of them being freinds. As an Adept starts His/Her
career, they aspire unto God, invoking Him with trembling. With
progress, 'Thy will be done,' ultimately becomes, 'My will be done;' A
high adept may be friends with the Gods, as He will with certain demons,
but this is a high Adept we're considering. Perhaps, as a beginner, you
might like to consider good/evil; demons are evil. You will meet them,
in good time. I hope these vague ramblings are of some value to you,
concerning a vital part of one's spiritual endeavour/health. Love and
light.
Topic Goetic Spirits posted by fullofmanflu User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 09:37 AM
I would be interested to hear from people with experience of working the
Goetia. I am on the very early footsteps of my path and so have no
experience what so ever of Goetic Spirits (and am not likely to for a
long time yet!) but my studies have led me to conclude that the old
tales of demonic forces is, at best, an exageration, at least in some
cases. I am inclined to believe that the spirits are the Gods and
entities of other earlier cultures, once again, at least in some cases.
In an earlier post on a different
Topic on this forum, a writer (I forget who) said that he thought of
some of these spirits as his friends and this seems to be a re-curring
theme in a lot of the material that I have read, ie that many (but
perhaps not all??) of the Goetic Spirits are in fact very friendly. I
would be interested to hear from people who have experience of the
Goetia and the various Spirits therein, with perhaps some light shedding
comments.
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Topic Golden Dawn/Hermetic Tarot posted by Arthur User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 04:32 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:51 PM
Greetings to All,
Can anyone recommend or comment on which Tarot closest corresponds to the
Golden Dawn's orignal card descriptions and whether these are followed by
the Hermetic deck (black and white) by G.Dowson or the Golden Dawn deck by
R.Wang, I think both are out of print. Are these divinatory decks or intended
for meditation ?
Thank You,
Arthur.
[Infoburst: Hi Arthur, Both packs are indeed out of print at the moment.
The Geoffrey Dowson Golden Dawn tarot was the first and it was a
limited edition. It was notable for being published privately in the
U.K. and in black and white line (the author said that the GD insisted
that the cards had to be hand coloured). The Robert Wang Golden Dawn
tarot was a professional full-colour deck which came out a few years
later and was quite different (though just as technically accurate). Of
course each initiated was supposed to draw up his own version of the GD
tarot based on the order's teachings so no definitive GD Tarot exists.
Within the G.D. the tarot was used for meditational purposes but the
Dowson pack was of a size eminently suitable for divination too. Marabas
says that it was a courageous thing for Dowson to finance his own tarot
and the British market was not ready for the first edition. A later
mass-market edition handled internationally sold better but was a bit
too advanced perhaps for the usual Tarot user. Hope this helps. BB
Denise W.
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Topic RE: Golden Dawn Temple/sites/graves posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 09:05 PM
A.E. Waite died on the 19th of May 1943 and was buried in the churchyard
at Bishopsbourne in Kent. Cannot find any internet photo of his grave,
anyone in that locale ?
No body or grave site has ever been located of MacGregor Mathers, and
there was no cause of death on his death certificate. Died in November
1918, exact date disputed.
John William Brodie-Innes was loyal to Mathers throughout the Golden Dawn
factionalising and died in 1923 (in Scotland ?) He was Freemason so
maybe the Temple was in a Masonic building ? Grand Lodge of Scotland
(George Street) may know ?
Re Boleskine, occasionally pops up in the Scottish Sunday tabloids, owners
apparently do not appreciate anyone asking for a look around and complain
about all the 'weirdos and goths' who hang around the house and cemetery.
Re Crowley's ashes, as far as the popular account goes were sent to 'followers
in America'...
Topic Golden Dawn Temple/sites/graves posted by John User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 05:23 AM
I am curious as to what was the location of the Amen-Ra Temple of the Golden
Dawn in Edinburgh formed by Brodie-Innes if anyone knows the street address
or name of the building ?
On a similar(ish) note, where are the grave-sites of the notables of the GD
such as Mathers, Waite, Brodie-Innes if indeed they were interred ?
Any info on these or other related areas (Crowley's ashes ? Anyone ever been
to Boleskine, etc ?) I'm interested to hear your info/experiences.
Best, John.
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Topic Grazing and Harvesting Wisdom posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 10:44 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Hi all, Although most users will be aware of this facility I know from
one or two emails I have received recently that some newcomers do not
realise that they can Graze and Harvest seamlessly right across the SAEF
forum and the SA website itself. That is, if you see anything you want
to order from recommendations in this forum just click on the links and
use the buy-now buttons there. The item/s will be added to your
'shopping basket'. Now you can continue to surf this forum, Grazing and
Harvesting the items you require using the links given. Each time you go
to an S.A. webpage and click on the buy-now button whatever you fancy
will be added to your 'shopping basket' then return to the forum etc.,
and continue learning and acquiring. When you are ready just click on
the 'check-out' button and your stored items will be carried forward.
You can even log on and off and then back on again later in the day and
your previously 'loaded' shopping basket will still be there waiting for
you so its possible to build a 'wish-list' in your shopping basket for
use later. Of course you can also delete items from your basket or
otherwise edit as you like and nothing is final until you actually hit
that submit order button so you can experiment all you like.
Keep in mind is that if you order any cyberbooks or instantly downloaded
items, for technical reasons these are collated in a separate shopping
basket so don't think your physical goods have disappeared! They are
just in another basket. You can keep both shopping baskets on the go,
automatically adding to each as you move along. When you come to check
out you should check out each basket separately.
If anyone requires more background on how to use the S.A. on-line
ordering system or in fact any other clarification about our website
then ask away and I will try my best to advise. BB Denise W.
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Topic RE: grimoriums posted by U.V.Ray User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 08:28 AM
I think you mean Grimoires.
Some Grimoires have survived then passage of time so that they become
like magical reference books to be used like a cook book is for cooking,
Grimoires are used for magic spells and magic ritual.
One may keep their own personal Grimoire - a record of magic we have
employed as reference book whereby we may keep a record of our own
magical workings.
Topic grimoriums posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 12:21 AM
what are grimoriums?any internet page in which i can see them in which
they are explained?its true that in them are spells for things that are
not spells nowadays?
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Topic H.G.A.-Spirit Guides. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 04:36 AM
Greetings, fellow seeker. My personal, Thelemite structured concept is
that, The Holy Guardian Angel, is the inner, True soul of man.It is the
point of pure conciousness, A.K.A: The higher self, The inner
self, Christ-self etc. A useful visualisation is of a star, your
conciousness, within, and a part of, infinite mind of understanding.
I.E: As Thelemic Gods; Hadit; The male, point of conciousness, as
motion, entwined within The Godesess Nuit's embrace, as matter,
conjoined within sphere 6 of The Tree of Life, they constitute 'One'
The H.G.A. I shall leave contemplation of Spirit Guides to others.
Best wishes in your path, Brother/sister.
Topic Guardian Angel/Spirit Guide posted by Seeking the Way User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:40 PM
Hi All,
What is the difference between the Holy Guardian Angel and a Spirit-Guide
are they the same and are they higher parts of oneself ?
How can I communicate with my HGA or contact a spirit guide ? Any and all
suggestions/theories would be most appreciated. Thanks and blessings,
Seeking the Way
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Topic RE: Haunted ebay items. posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 10:13 AM
hiya
I will tell you the reason why I asked this question. Someone I know
bought a few of these haunted items, djinn, ghul, demon, etc etc pieces
such as rings, a silver spider, small lamp like an arabian thing
jewellery piece, plus a metal and black skull..with hinged lid for
incense, the eyes are like black marble, and tongue is copper, it has
silver small skulls round face...apparently was used in a dark ritual
before this person bought this...
I never knew about the dark ritual until they were posted to me as I
said I would be interested in them, they were given me for free. I have
witnessed lights like an orb at corner of my view..but other than that,
oh, I seen a fly this happened twice..it may sound daft but my windows
were not open so it could not have flown out, you see it happened on two
seperate nights, first night of day I got items and then night after.
The fly was no where to be seen after me seeing it, it never flew out of
room just vanished when it went past me.
But other than orb and that I have not seen what this person has seen,
such as six inch fly with demon head, and also a 3ft male.. this all
astral in imagery I suppose but this person said they were very real
looking. It is strange I was holding two rings when fly just
appeared...I asked what the person thought the demon fly was attatched
to, and the reply was the two rings I was holding, and I never mentioned
the name of the rings. But the fly I seen was not six inch.
It could be they are haunted imbibed with demons or me being more
logical it could be that person linked their thoughts so much to astral
that it brought things through. Have to say though the skull has a weird
energy to it.
Topic Haunted ebay items. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Hi, I believe, personally, that it is entirely possible to imbue metal
with Djinn etc. Why on Earth, sell it? It would contain a part of you,
and your temple structure in it, a key to your personal domain. Such
foolishness by someone competent enough to perform such Magick is
unlikely, unless, it's a double bluff, and
you're walking into a trap! Good luck.
Topic RE: haunted ebay items?? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:28 AM
they say they bind demons, djinns, etc to rings...just that some say
they have connected to their items they bought and have seen things, but
I dont know about all this.
Topic RE: haunted ebay items?? posted by JK User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:00 PM
By haunted most people would assume you mean a spirit of the dead
I don't know if a spirit of that type would inhabit an object ?
Probably people advertising 'haunted' items are looking to improve
their sales chances.
I wouldn't buy second hand psychic equipment as it would have
accumulated radiesthesic energies, and necessitate cleansing which
would remove the energies. Looking at things like Root-magic oils
and sigils I would say you could bind energies to objects-yes. - JK
Topic RE: haunted ebay items?? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 06:28 PM
Also are there ways to find out if haunted items not just ebay ones but
others as well, such as a gift from someone who you know is into the
occult, and you want to find out if it has embedded energy, etc.
Topic haunted ebay items?? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Anyone think these haunted items you see are all fakes or would you say
genuine...that this thing can be done, Djiin, or Demons binded to a ring
or whatever to bring the wearer what they want.
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Topic RE: RE:HELP: Communication. posted by feeorin User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 06:21 PM
hi all,
thanks to u all for ur help it has been very much appreciated! esp
patti!, just a little re-assurance that i used ur suggestion in the
spirit it was meant, and i thought u would like to know that it work
beautifully!
sorry im a little late with this reply but my comp K.Oed on me big time and only know i have it up and running once more!
once again thanks for all ur help!
feeorin xxx
Topic RE:HELP: Communication. posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Red Dragon, Patti - We have got to stop meeting like this, people will
begin to talk! Look, I have the unenviable job of refereeing this forum
and Marabas gave me strict instructions that apart from normal
politeness and displays of friendliness I was not to allow it to
degenerate into another one of those in-crowd forums where a clique is
created which becomes so personal as to swerve the context of the
threads from leading edge magical debates into pen-pal type
correspondence. Apart from diluting the threads it also invites conflict
(you don't want to know what I think of anyone who calls themselves a
Reiki Master!) By all means get together - we do hope a lot of long-term
contacts and friendships are made via the SAEF - but you can pursue
this on many other forums and webchat sites. If you want to take
personal correspondence further please ask your correspondent/s to
switch to one of those sites and help us keep the contents of your
threads on this forum clean and keen. Ta muchly.
Topic RE: what are poppets & posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:49 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:01 PM
can they be used to attract love?
[INFOBURST: A Poppet is another name for an Image doll. Image dolls are
used in sympathetic magic to help, heal and hinder. For more information
and prices on image dolls go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm
and scroll down the A-Z list to Image Doll P63 ]
Topic RE:HELP: Communication. posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 08:09 AM
HI Patti and Husband, Happy New Year, from Mike and lady.
Hmm, You have a little Red Dragon? I don't usually astrally scan people,
it seems an invasion of privacy,I gathered what sort of person you are
by intuition; some sort of link was made, now I think of it, but I just
think of it as 'normal'. As you've invited me, with trust, to look at
your red dragon; (astral symbology, as i'm sure you know, is just that,
symbols, your hair may appear light and wavy, Astrally, in phisical;
short,brown, one then analises it.)
I see a Dragon, western style, standard type; shiny, like varnished
wood, on a table or short cabinet, It,s to the right of a large window,
with net curtains, aglow with light: To me this means conciousness, that
one is incarnate spirit, that one is aware of prajna, yet thje light
glows through a veil,(of paraketh?) I see trough the eyes of the Dragon,
A Lady, seated on a couch,with a large Man.They sit at one end of the
couch,room for a guest,waiting, or kiddies perhaps, I only talk of
adults in open forums. Patti, you are exactly the sort of person I would
like to talk with at this point in my life; 'My' Lady has reached a new
level in spirituality, where She wants to learn the ways of Wicca. I
want to learn! Who better than you? Your qualifications are very
impressiv, but the'ego-label' thing, yes,I undertand, I reckon, it's not
the higher, or lower self that starts problems, it's the damnable ego!
Destiny?The Dragon, (Love your 'magickal name for him; Luxera, that means; light of Ra? Or Light of the era?.)
I wonder what you called into the Dragon?
I've been looking for someone like you. Destiny? I don't believe in
coincidence. Only cause and effect, there is much which should not be
revealed publicly. Problem; i tried to send an email to you through the
Forum, apparently, 'http server types are no longer valid on this
system' I've heard of this before, so free email sevices are being
phased out. I've read Forum suggested policies, as trust is a vital
element. I believe our further communication very important. So, I have
posted my email address, I don't usually, but as I would be honoured to
be your friend, I have done so; for your system should work on http
systems, so I invite you to contact me directly, if you will. What One
imagines you would call your 'spirit Guide'said:" (further) contact is
confirmed, reaffmed."The sign for Taurus appeared,then it
smiled.Good.Later I pressed again, "yes, it will be;" then a series of
beautiful visions, horses galloping across the desert, culminating in
like an elongated egg,blue,dark to light,many faceted;a precious gem.
So the ball is in your court, Patti. Will you email Me? I do hope so. Happy new Year! Mike-Red Dragon.
Topic RE: HELP:Communication. posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 03:20 AM
Thank You for such a polite and frankly fascinating letter! I've wanted
to meet a true Wiccan for a while actually, I have no knowledge of the
subject at all, Perhaps we can exchange knowledges? Well, i'm pushed for
time right now, (You can call me Mike if you like.)
I'll write again, soon! Mike.
Topic RE: RE:Banana posted by Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 08:39 PM
Best93,
I am pretty sure I am not bananas but can accept the criticism that
perhaps my sense of humor is a little lacking these days. :)
You don't need to think I am great... just attack my beliefs/advice
please and leave personal traits to everyone to decide for themselves. I
am a big girl and can accept that not everyone is going to like, "get",
and/or agree with my views.
If I misunderstood the "reader beware" message, my apologies. Although
my comments may not be dripping with humor, my advice/comments come from
my heart and are not meant to hurt or mislead anyone.
But please keep commenting...boards are more interesting with spicy people like you.
Patti
Topic RE: HELP: Psychic vampirism. posted by Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 08:14 PM
Red,
Surgery is coming along-thank you so much for asking; Deepak Chopra
teaches that sound and scent can assist in healing. So as soon as I was
transferred to a room, my husband set up a little altar with a patent,
crystals, and an "Avalon Stone" with a bowl of cut lime, lemon, and
fresh orange. I listened to "the Healing Project" CDs and Reiki CDs. I
feel it really gave me a jump start to recovery as I am doing pretty
OK.
Surgery was not due to a banana incident! :) LOL You are so funny!
I don't proclaim to be evolved, but good-hearted/intended Wiccan female
you pegged! Yes; I am an ordained HPS; I am also a Reiki Master (there
is the healing) and I have been certified in Hypnotherapy. I have years
of education and experience that I wear proudly, but usually do not
disclose-ego is not my thing. Through my experiences and own writings,
in certain circles I am considered adept, though I certainly do not
claim that title for myself. There is always so much more to learn.
You are right again; I did break my own principal when I offered up the
poppet suggestion. But years ago, I had been a victim of a very ugly
magickal attack and feeoin's plight brought back those dark feelings;
mostly of discomfort and urgency.
I know you are right yet again: "not everyone is nice"... but I like to
believe people have noble intentions until I find out otherwise... so
much for wisdom, huh? Goddess Bless the Warrior in us all!
Red Dragon, huh? I have a beautiful red dragon (whom I have given gifts
to) in my home... can you see where? Shall I whisper a blessing for you
to him? Is it destiny we've met? ;)
Thank you for your kind wishes for 2008. It would be my privilege to
call you a friend. Contact me directly anytime; I would love to hear
more about your path.
Topic RE: HELP: Psychic vampirism. posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 05:12 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Errata: My writings are obstruse,( Yet I'm being offered prestigious
editorial position, by the Adeptii that construct the modern day new
rituals!)
I wrote of an unpleasant type of entity, in an unclear fashion.
I meant, that it may well be useful to view Brother Marabus's stock of
knowledge concerning psycic self defence, a most important subject, even
the advanced practitioner, with an open mind, can learn fresh tips, new
angles.
With HUGE best wishes for a fruitful and Happy 2008 to One and All!
Red.(LVX.)
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Topic RE: HELP: Psychic vampirism. posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 04:49 PM
Hi Patti,
Hope you're coping with your surgery ordeal in a balanced fashion, it
wasn't due to a banana related mishap, perchance? Really, I missed that
posting. Any road up, from my humble perspective, i read the 'help'
thread, and was struck by; An evolved spirit, good hearted, wiccan,
female. Well formed knowledge,(Priestess?) Adept in the arts, has she
attained unto unity with her inner soul; become as full Adeptus
minor?Maybe not, yet I sense you are able to 'tune in' to that inner
nature, with ease. I read of feeorin,
a man moaning about a persistant banana, how he'd used all magic he knew, now exhausted, seeks power from another.
I saw him psychically; Regardless, why is this woman in his life? Are we
to believe that he is whiter than white, and that he is under
'irrational attack,'or is it possible he used and abused this woman, now
wants to get his jollies elsewhere? Why am i so cynical?
In My personal morality, I don't use magick against 'ordinarys';
seems like using a gun on a child with a stick. Personally. He's
exhausted, so rather than meditate etc. becoming charged with the holy
light of God, he seeks a human to 'power him up. (N.B. The second astral
entity i discovered: a vampire, i was a kid, only just learning psychic
self defense, Fr. Marabus has the knowledge available, to learn psychic
self defence.'It' is damned/light of God causes pain, but by ejecting a
strong young soul from his physical body, he can feed on the transmuted
force; now human power.) Back to Feeorin, no light of God? Asks for
power, not explaining why,really. So you advise 'poppets, in as good
away as possible, but you never the less broke one of your principles.
You have a good heart, I would be honoured to be your friend.There are
too few of you around,maybe you're a healer type, I,m a warrior type,
clearing the important paths of obstacles. SO! That was that, never
happy with my writings, I hope you got the gist, be careful,please,
you're 'nice', a lot of occultists are not, it's all a part of the grand
design. May I wish you a fruitful,(bananaless) 2008, Brimming with
Light, Life, Love and Feedom! Red.
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 04:49 AM
Hi Patti, been in Arizona for...? Not phisically. Surgery? Weird stuff,
the ambulances, blood, the morphine drenched halls of the near dead,I'm
pure Geburah Warrior/Avenging angel type; Lots of surgery. Just woke up
in an armchair,I wouldn't have written if I didn't care, Patti, will
write properly when i wake up, (Anyone got any food on board?) love,
Red.
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Topic RE:Banana posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 03:15 AM
Hi Patti, I'm back! Look! Don't wish you any harm at all.I thought
banana was funny because a forum always is (lol). Don't take it
personally: I think you are great.But are you bananas or not?
Best93
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted by Patti User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 04:24 PM
Red Dragon,
Just back from surgery; sorry for the delay in response. Got your
apology; everyone makes mistakes and I hope this board is tolerant of
those who do. I really don't mind being criticized or poked fun at, so
keep annoying, checking or whatever-if I am a spade today, perhaps a
heart tomorrow (lol). DO NOT GO AWAY! And if you are my banana, perhaps
you will see that I can have a sense of humor when warranted. ¿
A word about casting; most people do not think of poppets when trying to
work something that is not "dark" in one way or another. I say it can
be done. But not so much for compassion, but for choice to reap rewards
without backlash. Although, I have never known a teaspoon of compassion
to hurt anyone. :)
feeorin xxx, Best of luck to remove your obstacle! Please let us know how things work out.
I wish every Wiccan and Pagan a wonderful New Wheel!
Patti
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted by Red dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 01:20 AM
"I do not usually..." ( compassion is the vice of kings?)
On the whole Patti, Is that a spade I see before me, dig?
Love, light, life and liberty to thee and thine.
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted by feeorin User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 09:33 PM
hi patti,
thanks for ur help! ive have used poppets in the past, but never for this situation, so ur suggestion is very welcome!
the thing u said about my 'chart' maybe my chart could be finding the
right route to deal with the problem and the lesson learnt is the path i
took to solve it! like putting it on this forum maybe or maybe u could
be right! i try not to inflict ill on others, and do not wish to inflict
harm on this women either i just want her out of my life, hence why ive
tried things like freezing her out of my life! i just dont want her in
it any longer!
once again thanks for ur help, it is appreciated!
feeorin xxx
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted by Patti User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 06:46 PM
edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM
OK... I do not usually recommend that anyone performs "manipulative" magic, but there are two things I could recommend.
The 1st option would be using poppets; one represents you and one
represents this other person. TO AVOID CREATING BAD KARMA, you would
want to wish this person well/good health but that they find a different
focus-something more productive than bother you. Make sure when you
start, the poppets are joined-then by cutting the string, you are acting
out a situation symbolic of separation. But it is my belief that after
the Ritual, you must care for the poppet of the other person (put it in
plastic to keep it from harm) and store it some place safe. Stuff it
with non-poisonous well intended herbs for excellent health (both
physical and mental) and beauty-for self esteem issues.
If this is above your ability, there is the 7 Dime spell, but consequences can arise... what are you willing to give?
*** Another thought*** This person may be part of your "chart". Perhaps
they are in your life for you to learn from this experience and they
will not be removed until "your lesson" is met, dealt with to your
highest benefit, and then you may both move on in a positive way. But I
strongly recommend you first meditate on this before taking further
action. Messing with your chart would be a mistake, you will only have
to deal with this again later. I am offering the above to be used in
light... I hope you accept it under the terms it is offered and that
this information helps you to find learning and comfort from this ugly
situation.
Love and Light,
Patti
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Topic RE: HELP!!! posted by feeorin User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:35 PM
hi there,
i can see ur point aboutme being half hearted from exhaustion.... in fairness this situation has gone on for 5 years now!
but i can promise you i most definately not a situation i want to remain
in, on any level! although i can easierly see how some ppl might, as
they may well enjoy the battle on some level, but trust me when i say i
do not!
my only reason for even tolerating this women in the past has now been
taken away! so now with nothing to lose, im at a loss as to how to lose
her for good!
thanks feeorin xxxx
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted by pejay User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Perhaps that is your problem - you are too 'exhausted' to properly
assert your true will and being pulled into a vacuum of half-heartedness
and self-deception? Alternatively, you may subconsciously want the
situation to remain as it is but not yet be able to comprehend this just
yet on a mundane level?
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted by feeorin User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:17 PM
hi there,
i have asserted myself.... put my point my across so many times! im exhausted!!!!
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted by pejay User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:14 PM
Simple just assert yourself properly.
Topic HELP!!! posted by feeorin User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 08:21 PM
hi there,
to the point: how do i remove ppl out of my life, this women is driving
me insane, magically... ive frozen her in my freezer, ive bottled her!,
ive buried her, my fiancee has cast ruins on her.... ive even done
mundane things like tell her to leave me alone! seriously this women and
persistant have no difference in them! short of moving to another
country this women just has no bounds! seriously what have missed. ive
used personal item association thing! still shes there... were stumped!
shes not even magical orientated! anything has got better than this!
thanks feeorin xxx
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Topic Hereditary Witchcraft book sold by SA posted by JK User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:56 AM
Dear SA,
I must be getting old ! I bought a book from you back around 1990
on Hereditary Witchcraft and can't remember the title or author.
I haven't a clue where it ended up and was wondering if you know
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Best regards, JK
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Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex?? posted by Paul User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 07:46 AM
There is something you may have missed. A little lesson that may help you to change your self-perspective...
Ask yourself exactly what it was that made you feel inadequate? Analyse
yourself, the situation and also why it is you want this man. There is
no right and wrong answer, it is all individual. This is a large part of
the path of self-knowledge.
Certainly - as I know only too well (!) - when I am being insulted, it
is hard not to be defensive or to attack back! But both reactions may
prevent me from analysing myself consciously and discovering who I
really am...
Just a thought that may be of use or disagarded as you see fit :)
Regards
Paul
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex?? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 04:19 PM
Yep. You nailed it Lisa. Youll find alot of people put themselves on a
wobbly peddle-stall. The key is how they make you feel. Would you get
driving lessons from a driving instructor that made you feel inadequate.
My girlfriend and I have just brought a book on Western Sex Magick and
we have started practicing the exercises. It does take awhile but for us
its about the journey. But you dont need a partner to start Tantric
exercises just grab a book from the booklist.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex?? posted by Lisa User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Thanks for replying to me.......why do you say he is a weirdo? you mean
for boasting about his tantric experiences......but then telling me "it
takes years of study" and making me feel like I cannot do
it.......because he thinks he's such an expert?
Please explain as you clearly know what you are talking about.
BB. Lisa x
Topic HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex?? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 08:01 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:33 AM
He sounds, to me, like a bit of wierdo Lisa. If you want to learn Tantra
then take your Destiny in your own hands, buy a book, and start
practicing.
You can follow this link for Sex or Love spells for an instant mp3 download.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lovemag.htm
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex?? posted by Lisa User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:44 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:31 AM
it is PURELY physical.......for he has walked the left hand path and has
enjoyed tantric sex......but refuses to teach me, because he says it
takes years of practice and he has now moved on and doesn't practice any
longer.........
[Infoburst: He's bullshitting you Lisa - but at least he's not taking
advantage of your gullibility. You need in-depth advice and most
probably an I-ching reading as well. Write to Marabas at
fratermarabasATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk. Remember that people's
opinions on this forum are just that - they are not definitive and do
not speak for Marabas. If you want a full and proper answer get in touch
direct.]
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex?? posted by Gierran User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Well, I've heard it said that simply being loving, compassionate,
empathic etc. is the highest form of love magick. What is the nature of
your emotional bond with this guy; how strong an inner connection do you
feel with him? Or is the attraction primarily physical? You don't have
to answer all this; but they might be provocative questions to ask
yourself...
Topic Get that Man! posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 09:47 PM
Hi Lisa,
I wonder, maybe a hang up? Myself, I was a Grammer school boy,
when it came time, down the local, for rebel types, (O.K. middle class,
but rebels!) I'd meet a girl, my reaction:-"Duuuh, you're
a girl, er, right, er, um. Nice meeting mumble.
I did not know what to do! Grab Him! Boost His confidence, if this is the problem, Happy Hunting!
888
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex?? posted by Janet K User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 08:36 PM
Hello Lisa
If you go onto the SA's shop Site (see links on the forum) you will find
literally hundreds of products, spells and potions, tips and cassettes
that will provide you with the tools to seduce your man.
Check it out and good luck (let us know what happens, eh?)
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex?? posted by Paul User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 01:26 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 05:12 PM
Why not try what Church of Satan call Lesser Magic. Make yourself more
alluring, seductive etc. Change yourself to become what he desires. I
suggest you read and employ some of the techniques in The Satanic Witch
by Anton LaVey.
Just a thought. :)
[Infoburst: It's more than a thought Paul, Marabas teaches that you
should never ask the gods to do for you what you can do yourself more
easily than they. Thus Lisa's first port of call would be a Wonderbra
and a short skirt (I am not being fascetious). Lisa is looking outwards
instead of inwards. Then she can supplement her natural magic with
results magic. She needs to unlock and empower her feminine wiles first
but I am not going to enter into all that metaphorical symbolism about
locks and keys!. ;-) BB Denise W.
Topic HELP ! How can I attract this man for sex?? posted by Lisa User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:12 AM
This gentleman likes me but isn't making any moves.......how can I
magically attract him for sex?? Tried asking him out....he said no.
Is there a relatively simple spell I might employ?
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Topic RE: Magick Oils posted by Baffled chap User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 10:08 AM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 02:07 PM
Oh please! Do not compare yourself with Denise or the SA! I have read
your comments about dead animals and table dancing etc and also your
threats to people who rattle your cage with their comments whether thay
are justified or not! And you dare to call me a bore because I tried oil
for a specific purpose. Ever wondered how people view you? Maybe lots
of us read and chuckle or juat label you as a nutty old woman but aren't
as rude or egotistic as you to pass petty comments. You did not pass
comment on the lady that asked about snow queen. Does that make her a
loose woman? Each to their own. Now please keep your comments to
yourself as they serve no purpose and I don't have the time to waste on
this.
[Infoburst: Now, now Baffled Chap, the question you have to ask yourself
is this: Would you be speaking to AnnB that way if she were a Pamela
Anderson look alike? When he was twenty, one of the world's most
powerful and leading-edge shamans (Austin Spare) was entranced and
englamoured by an aged Witch about whom Spare was besotted. You have yet
to meet your Mrs Pattison so I would caution you not to burn your
boats! The gods are still at work here and you are on a severe learning
curve. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Magick Oils posted by AnnB User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 09:25 AM
I do not snipe at genuine people if you bother to read anything possible
have alwaysntriednto help young people who are true believers That is
what people such as Denise and myself in a small way try to do I really
hope you do have true faith now Ive finishing sniping.
Topic RE: Magick Oils posted by Baffled chap User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 11:01 PM
So I forgot to fill the name bit out, get over it! I have seen you slate
quite a few people off but you get quite rattled when people have a pop
at you. This is a forum to share and discuss which is what I did. All
you do is snipe, please don't reply to me again unless you have
something constructive to say and not insults as you did earlier.
Topic Magick Oils posted by AnnB User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Back to anonymous I see very weird
Topic RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"??? posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 05:07 PM
You don't know me so don't judge me. The lady and I get on well and I
purchased something to take things to the next step. That is why the sa
supply things like these oils because there is a need.
Topic RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"??? posted by AnnB User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 03:50 PM
Im sorry poor old baffled chap but your charm doesnt seem to be working
very well does it perhaps a little bit of softly softly perhaps
recognising her as a woman andnot an object Believe me in the 60s I was
never a feminist but you cant wonder at them when coming up against
testerone man can you. All baffled chaps need to use your brains and not
brawn Im sorry but I really cant take you seriously have you a notched
bed post or belt. Dont think ofme as a daffy old dear Ive had my moments
but the pushy sort(oh yes they were around in the prehistoric era)
always bored me and my friends
Topic RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"??? posted by Baffled chap User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 02:09 PM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 01:56 PM
Hi, I was looking simply for sex with someone I have known and fancied
for a while but used Ruthvah to help for that purpose. We hang out a bit
but I wanted to expand the friendship to a casual sex thing as well. I
don't want love with the woman so thought this would be the best option.
A funny thing happened with someone else though. A few days later
someone who I knew a while back but had not had a relationship or sex
with with contacted me after not hearing from her for 3 or 4 months and
seems to really have the hots for me. I had forgot about her but she has
made it clear she wants sex. Is it connected I wonder. Seems a bit odd
if not but I don't fancy her! lol
[Infoburst: It seems to me that the gods are trying to educate you.
Marabas teaches that Magick is a continual process which demands that
the operator evolves and changes just as much as his/her target. There
is always a price to pay in the return of energies. This is not a moral
restriction but a technical one. The gods give you what you want (the
2nd lady who turned up for sex) whilst denying you the first lady in an
attempt to cause introspection about your own needs, motivations and
ideals. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"??? posted by Baffled chap User
posted on December 29, 2008 at 12:35 PM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 09:55 AM
I have tried again wearing it in the presense of the same lady but she
has made it clear that she is not interested in anything apart from
friendship but I was only after a sexual liason with her though I never
told her that! We are both single but she is a tough nut to crack or
does this work over a period of time rather than on the day it is worn?
[Infoburst: The phrase 'round pegs in square holes ' comes to mind. When
working magic one has to choose the right application for each
outcome.
Ruthvah is an attraction oil par excellence and by repute attracts
females to men who wear it. Any female within the immediate vicinity of a
person wearing Ruthvah will, according to tradition, be more open to
advances and find the wearer more attractive on a sexual / subconscious
level. One wouldn't use Ruthvah for love-magick, one would use
Marabas's Spellkit For Love's Desire for that.
However your outcomes and ideas are unformed and fall between those two
things. You just want casual sex (which isn't too hard to come by these
days I hear) but contrarily you don't want just anyone for sex. So what
do you want? Do you want this particular woman because she means
something more to you? If so then why are you frightened of a
relationship? The outcome is likely to be that you have such a high
opinion of yourself that you only want 'the best'. This is a form of
greed and, of course, will be easily seen through by the lady in
question so quite rightly she will not play. There is nothing Ruthvah
can do magically to overcome your own lack of sensitivity - though it
has brought you here to be enlightened! BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"??? posted by Baffled chap User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 06:29 PM
edited on December 29, 2008 at 05:58 AM
My question is has anyone tried Ruthvah? I used it a few weeks ago on a
night out and made my move on a woman I had been chatting to all night
but did not get the desired effect. I thought it worked on any woman but
this one did not want to know. Anyone got a theory on why that may be? I
applied it before going out so was wearing it for 4 or 5 hours.
[Infoburst: Your comments are somewhat contradictory. You spent most of
the night chatting to the lady. Seems like Ruthvah did its job okay to
me. BB Denise W )
Topic RE: I agree with the previous 2 entries..... posted by ruby x User
posted on December 01, 2008 at 05:01 PM
so Ali....hi! how did your rituals go with the magickal oils??
Did you have some success? Do write and let other followers know!!
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Topic RE: I agree with the previous 2 entries..... posted by Ali User
posted on November 12, 2008 at 03:38 PM
edited on November 14, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Well said, Hannah!
I am very new to S.A. but am aware of it through a very close friend. I wanted to make some changes in my life and
they recommended I bought some magical oils.
Within hours of thinking 'yes, I will purchace some', I was already
getting results! After sending off my request to S.A. I had other things
happen! Now my oils have arrived and I intend to use them as part of a
full moon ritual tomorrow. I can only imagine the effect they will have
from then onwards! I will let you know what happens.
Ali
Topic I agree with the previous 2 entries..... posted by Hannah User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:20 AM
It is NOT the S.A's fault, or anyone elses, if your spells/oils fail to
bring about the results you desire. Maybe the results you wanted is just
not meant to be for you?
If you have a genuine Q or problem contact Denise and she can advise you further and also, please use a name.
Topic Magick Oils posted by AnnB User
posted on September 14, 2008 at 05:55 PM
edited on September 16, 2008 at 02:42 PM
Im sorry that the forum is having trouble with Anonymous this is
obviously a person who is playing at being silly, but what goes around
comes around so let them play their silly games.
Silly but ltimately can reverse.
Otherwise perhaps they are so simple that the use of oils is a hard thing for them to command.
Topic RE: Magickal Personality posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 08:56 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:45 PM
How long should oils take to work? I have been using them for 4 months with no results at all!
[Infoburst: I think it is becoming clear to other forum users that this
particular 'anonymous' is trying to show the S.A. in a bad light because
of some conflict, imagined or otherwise; so here's a message for you
'anonymous'. Although we hold to our promises and we don't know who you
are we do know your machine number and it would be the easiest thing in
the world to ban you from the forum for good. If you have a problem then
get in touch with me at my email address, otherwise stop playing silly
games or you will be kicked out. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Magickal Personality posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 06:31 PM
edited on September 05, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Are we talking Love or Sex here Ruby. Lol, lets go with the latter. Yep
Snow Queen is the one for driving us Men under your command. The periapt
is some words, for you to say, to help the spell along.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK?? posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:31 PM
what is a periapt??
Topic RE: Magickal Personality posted by FOR RICENPEAS User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:29 PM
your answer is brill.......really well thought out, so please may i ask
you, which oil would you use if you wanted to attract a specific man to
fall in love with you?? which is what i wish to do.........or at least,
have sex with me anyway!!
many Thnaks, Ruby xxx
Topic Magickal Personality posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 29, 2008 at 08:03 PM
OK Anon. Lets try to model it this way.
A personality is a set of characteristics. We can display different sets
of charateristics dependeing our mood or enviroment, so we could say
that each of us has more than 1 personality. For exsample, if you are
late for work you display 1 personality, but, at the end of the day when
your havin a quiet pint you show another. We can go further and say
that our enviroment is also made up personalities, for example, the wind
displays a different set of charateristics to fire, the earth has
different qualities to water.
Using Shamanism, Ritual Magick, Meditation or a mixture of all 3 we
become aware of how all these personalities interact and we become free
to develope and use them because of this. Its a rough model but im sure
you get the point. How i use the personality oil is personal, but i acn
assure you its not for improving my charisma.
Lol :)
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Enhancing your experiance with oils posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM
why would you need to develop your personality?? unless you feel you don't actually have one??????
Topic RE: Oils posted by Maz User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Gierran; I understand what you are saying but I do want him back. But
when something or someone has hurt you its hard to forget that and i am
angry about what he did but that dose not stop me wanting him still.
what i am asking is if the oils will still work with the way i feel?
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Topic RE: Oils posted by Gierran User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 03:15 AM
Maz--you might want to become clear on whether you truly want your ex
back or not. Sounds like you have some seriously conflicting emotions
about this; and emotions being a form of energy, you wouldn't want them
working at cross-purposes, in ordinary or magical contexts. Just my two
units of currency; make of them what you will...
Topic RE: Oils posted by Maz User
posted on August 08, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I am looking to use some love oils, maybe come back or love and respect
or both. I want my ex back but I get angry when I think of how he hurt
me. Will the oils still work or will my anger and hurt course problems
with it working as well? Can any of you help with this please? How long
will it take to work?
Topic RE: Oils posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 04:25 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:35 AM
Hi Anne, I can see 2 reasons why spells may "rebound". Bad analysis of
our selves/situation and badly constucted spells/rituals which I would
put under the heading "Sloppy Magick". You are definatly right to advise
new comers to follow Marabas s instructions on using oils and I found
the
"Incense, Oil and Powder Magic" audio a great help in deciding which oil
is right for my situation and how to apply. It also teaches a well
constructed Master ritual which can be safley adapted to suit. ;)
Ricenpeas
Topic Speaking of magical oils... posted by Karen User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 02:09 AM
edited on November 14, 2008 at 01:45 PM
...I'm afraid something's happened to the 'full-range' magical oils page on the SA website, the one at
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/incenses.htm . When I try to get
into this page, it bumps me straight back to
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/magoils.htm immediately. I know
this is actually a website/technical question; but I was wondering if
the S.A. website folks were aware of this...
[Infoburst: Sorry about that Karen - they were working on that page when
you tried to access it - the above link should be okay now. BB Denise
W. ]
Topic RE: Oils posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 21, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Do you find it takes long to get your results and how many applications do you apply?
Topic Oils posted by annB User
posted on July 21, 2008 at 04:07 PM
Have always had good results with oils and am always guided by Marabas guidelines and the use of prayer
as it is easy for the spell to rebound and boy then are you in bother
as you can tell I am a little hyper my morphine patch has just hit the spot change it once a week so will calm down shortly
Topic RE: Enhancing your experiance with oils posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Put it out of your mind best you can and let the spell do its job. i
work with the idea that im either casting a spell or im not. Anything
inbetween can just confuse things. :)
Topic RE: Enhancing your experiance with oils posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 09:06 PM
Hi Ricenpeas. I only has the chance to apply the oil on to the person I
want to affect on one occasion and do not come into contact with them
now so will this be strong enough to give me my result in you opinion?
It was about 3 weeks ago I used it. Do I need to continually see my
result in my minds eye or put it out of my mind and wait for my result?
Topic Enhancing your experiance with oils posted by RicenpeaS User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 06:45 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:31 AM
Phidelma...Speaking as a Man there is nothing more attractive than a
Woman that knows shes a Woman. We all know the importantance attraction
plays in our work, social and private relationships and by appying
Snow Queen you can get the edge by boosting your Womanly ways. It comes
with instructions to tell you how to "ACTUALY" use it so dont threat,
but please, on behalf of all men I have to say "Dont be shy. Use it".
ricenpeas the sleaze
Anonymous Re. other oils n how long
Ive been using
conscentration and personality developing oil for 6 or 7 weeks now with
very definate results. The conscentration oil has enhanced the clarity
in my thinking, and i often see the solution before the problem. It has
most definatly contributed to slowing down my hyperactivity and a dash
is as good as 20 mins meditation if needs must. The personality
developing oil has also proved very effective though the results are a
little personal so... The important thing i have found in applying oils
is my intent. What do i want to achive. The clearer this is in my minds
eye the quicker and easier the results follow. Every time I apply the
oil I reinforce my intent (you can use chants, sigils a little poem,
prayer)and then let the oil do the work. The more I do this the stronger
the effect.
Hope that helped
RicenPeas
Topic HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"??? posted by Phidelma User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:05 PM
WHAT DID YOU EXPERIENCE? HOW DID YOU ACTUALLY USE IT??
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Topic Magical oils/strategic uses posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 03:49 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Frater Marabas recommends in his writings applying magical oils
regularly over time to build up the effect, also it would depend
on how much 'resistance' or strain upon the order of the Universe
you are attempting. I would always suggest if working with Marabas'
oils to read the
'Root magic guide' or / and
'Marabas Says' first as they
will explain applications and strategies for best effect. An
example coming to mind might be using an oil or powder to get someone to stay away or move away, if you just strew on the front
door they might start using the back door, etc. I once tried to
target two persons by putting a subject link from each in ONE bottle
of oil and there was no effect. I then used another bottle of oil but
split it into TWO bottles and put subject links individually in each and
almost straight away there were results.
Topic RE: Root magic oil worked for me posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 02:20 PM
Has anyone tried any of the other oils and if so how long did they take to work?
Topic Root magic oil worked for me posted by John W User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 01:24 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:26 AM
I had a lot of problems going on in my life some time ago
and it was taking its toll on my personal relationship.
I decided to try
'Love & Sex' oil, and at first I didn't
think there was any effect, but after a couple of weeks
of applying the oil here and there in many inventive ways
my love life had improved no end, sex was better than ever
and the other problems which had been leaving no room for
intimacy also sorted themselves out. I then downloaded the
Root magic guide for more ideas. Very impressed !!!
John W
HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK?? posted by Zara P. User
posted on February 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM
Has anyone experienced results with any of these oils?
How do they bring about your heart's desire?
Topic anyone tried "SNOW QUEEN" ?? posted by Zara P. User
posted on April 05, 2008 at 04:45 PM
magical oils? If so, What happened??
Topic RE: HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK?? posted by Zara P User
posted on March 14, 2008 at 02:19 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:37 AM
"ETHERICSOUL", thank you VERY VERY much for your excellent answer.
I want to attract a specific man to desire me & become close friends
with me. I do not have the slightest clue how to go about this. I don't
really know how to visualise properly. What would you advise?
The man in question likes me but is too shy to make a move. Grateful for any help you could offer.
Sincerely and Many Blessings to you,
Zara x.
[Infoburst: The best oil for this Zara would be Snow Queen P146 from the
S.A. because it is an attraction oil par excellence and comes complete
with a very ancient periapt which you just modify slightly to suit who
you want to englamour - then go to it.
You can see more about it and its effects as well as order it on www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK?? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 10, 2008 at 01:06 PM
hi
The oils have correspondences so whilst you may think you are just
wearing them, they are effecting the astral level which is where
everything is to begin with before it comes down into material (Malkuth)
level. You also attune your mind and energy by way of focus, as like
attracts like, but it is also in the workings of synchronicity.
I feel they work along the same lines as, say, a talisman would do, but
they I feel are more powerful because they are on a higher level
somewhat vibrating, not only that but the smell attunes your mind and
psychic energy as well. You would only use a minute amount, and also
would come at the magic or the intent of the situation from more than
one angle; wear it, annoint a candle, put it on target person or image
of what you want, etc, etc.
I have tried them and they do work, and they are not like others that
you come across which are lacking in occult energy and power. One thing
with all magick you need to act as if you already have what you want,
the outcome being fulfilled, etc. Never do magick half heartedly
thinking will it work, as this blocks the flow and can work against you.
The thing with all magick is that you can use many techniques,
pathworking put a bit of the oil in a burner, and choose a pathworking
that has the correspondences to attract what you seek, colour, god or
goddess, numbers, astrology, tarot, etc.
I did a basic ritual once, I was in need of money. I relaxed, focused
energy coming up from base chakra, into my hands, feeling the power
become stronger. At first though I was sending energy down into core of
earth then started pulling it up when it reached a level the heat was
strong the energy that is, and then as I was focusing on a statue of a
the virgin mary (it was the only thing I had at that time) and with
focus on lit candles, I sent out the intent. This was a very basic self
made ritual, but it worked, next day I got a cheque from the housing for
£200...I do not to this day know why it was sent as there was no letter
explaining, and I was up to date with rent but not them owing me. The
only thing I can think about, was 9 months before they did some
renovation work, they ripped my shower out but would not compensate me
because they said it was not to their standards, more than their
jobsworth to just put in a small switch. It is sorted now. But they
would not compensate for me having to rip flooring up or the shower. I
had four head people tell me this, and so I had no leg to stand on. But
then I get that cheque 9 months to a year later; was it the magic, well I
think it was. Find your own unique way of doing magick it is more
powerful, but always look to methods that get you the results, intent,
focus, energy, etc.
Topic HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK?? posted by Zara P. User
posted on February 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM
Has anyone experienced results with any of these oils?
How do they bring about your heart's desire?
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Topic I-Ching guide... posted by John W User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 09:18 AM
My I-Ching guide is fine, must be an small error in an earlier
edition as Denise says, Have to say though that this little guide
is A+++++. I was always put off by the I-Ching as too austere but
it's actually easy peasy when you read Marabas's guide as an intro.
As has been said earlier though, just put in some time with the
language in Wilhelm. I became an I-Ching addict for a while and
bought a pile of 'new (un)improved versions' but none were a patch
on Wilhelm's and have since become recycled. And those Chinese coins
are thee bizniss !
Best to all,
John.
Topic Wilhelm/I-Ching guide: Hexagram differences posted by Alex User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 01:28 PM
edited on August 07, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Hi, just my Tuppence worth,
Quick check between Wilhelm and Frater Marabas's guide,
differences are below:
Marabas has 39 (Obstruction) and 56 (Wanderer) in each others
place. Text is fine, but hexagram illustrations are wrong.
Marabas hexagram 64 (Before Completion)text is right but hexagram
is a repeat of hex. 30 (Clinging).
Should be easily corrected in future printings. All other Hex's are
A-OK.
Alex.
[Infoburst: Hi Alex, it looks like for some reason you have an old
printed version of the Instant I-Ching. If you let me have your email
address and your details (email me at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk)I
will arrange to have a corrected version sent to you. Same goes for
Anonymous. BB Denise W. ]
Marabas's 'Instant I-Ching '
now available for immediate download here; http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/books1.htm (Scroll down to Frater Marabas's Instant I-Ching)
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 12:56 PM
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you Denise, my Instant I-Ching by
Marabas shows hexagram 56, The Wanderer on page 17 IS different to that
in my Wilhelm translation where the Wanderer (still hexagram no. 56) is
on page 216
The judgement is the same but the top trigram is different in each book.
I did double check before adding my listing and again before replying
to your response.
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 02, 2008 at 11:52 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:01 PM
I have both the Wilhelm book of changes and Marabas's primer but I have
noticed some of the hexagrams are different, I dont know how many but I
did a cast recently and noticed that no. 56, The Wanderer are different
in each book. Has anyone else noticed this mistake or if any of the
other hexagrams are different too? The hexagram in the book of changes
for The Wanderer is given as Obstruction in M's primer. I'm sure its
just a simple error but could make a huge difference to your casts. I
will email the SA and let them know but thought it was best to pop this
on here just to let you all know. This is not a criticism towards M or
the SA in any way.
[Infoburst: There is nothing wrong. You have become confused with the
tables included in the Wilhelm Baynes Translation. You are probably
comparing the Index of The Hexagrams (which is listed by number in order
of numerical ascendance - i.e. as each hexagram is built bottom upwards
)with the actual hexagram numbers given in the text. The actual
hexagram numbers are derived from the Table or Key following the General
Index in the book and are constructed from the 8 individual trigrams
which make up the 64 hexagrams. This is actually shown on the Index of
the Hexagrams but ambiguously. If you stick to using the 'Key for
Identifying the Hexagrams following the General Index then you won't be
confused.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 03:05 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 09:25 AM
Hi all, can anyone help and advise about the i-ching please. I do not
understand the meaning when it states about the superior man should
persevere or undertake something etc. Does this relate to the person
consulting the i-ching or to the person they are asking the i-ching
about? I have been trying to get to grips with this method for some time
now but rather than understanding it i am becoming more confused with
it! I have a dire situation I am seeking advice about but due to my
confusion i fear i may make matters worse rather than better by not
understanding the advice. It seems I am not the only person lacking
understanding or trust in this system.
[Infoburst: Marabas says: Always keep in mind your place in the scheme
of things. The traditional commentaries on the I-Ching were first
written out with the Help of Confucious five hundred years BCE - hence
are somewhat idiosyncratic. They are also written from a confucian
standpoint. Confucious's writings were a moral benchmark (similar to Mao
Tse Tung's Little Red Book) for the actions and thoughts of Mandarins
and other influential Chinese. Hence references to The Superior Man
refers to anyone who works the I-Ching and who aspires to high moral and
ethical standards. There are plenty of I-Ching books where writers have
intended to modernise the I-Ching meanings but most of them end up
corrupted and any genuine seeker needs to have the original text to work
from. Don't blame the book if you can't understand - try harder. BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 11:08 PM
I find it quite confusing when asking about another person and what they
may do about a certain situation etc. When the text for example refers
to what someone should do, is this referring to the person you are
asking about (who is unaware of the consulting the oracle) or is this
reference to the person doing the asking? Tips on the use of the I-Ching
would be appreciated from the advanced users.
Thanks all.
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 22, 2008 at 09:02 AM
edited on April 22, 2008 at 09:03 AM
Hi Rob, I agree utterly with your evaluation of the Willhelm-Baynes
I-Ching. A superb classic of the esoteric; though beginners may
sometimes become confused, like William J, until they gain experience at
interpretation. M teaches that because the I-Ching 'tracks' the flux of
Chi in one's life every answer the I-ching gives will incorporate a
perspective of ALL the energies surrounding one, therefore it teaches us
wisdom about oneself within one's destiny as well as advises what is
the best action to take. As such it illuminates our own personal
perspectives on our self and our condition and is much, much more than
simply a form of divination.
As Puretongue has said, we can often subconsciously impose our desires
and needs and interpret ANY type of divination incorrectly - it would be
wrong then to blame the I-ching for an apparently wrong answer when one
is confused by the vortex of happenings which are imploding upon one
and this is why it is essential to keep a magical diary of one's casts,
interpreations and outcomes. As the energies pass, with hindsight, the
true meaning of any cast is often revealed and I know from personal
experience just how accurate and powerful the I-Ching is. Marabas
enthuses others to work the I-ching for themselves on a regular basis
for the smaller every-day questions and by doing this one is not only
guided but one obtains really valuable experience in interpretation so
that when the BIG questions come up you are less likely to mis-read the
results. This is why Marabas offers out his I-Ching reading service
[www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/chingdiv.htm ]for people wise enough to
realise that for the really big decisions it is a good idea to have him
do you an objective reading.
[BTW: The Willhelm Baynes I-Ching is available from the S.A. Goto
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm and scroll down the A-Z list
to I-Ching/Book of Changes.] BB Denise W
Topic I-Ching Divination/incense query posted by Rob User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 09:33 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 09:14 AM
Hi William J,
The I-Ching is an astounding book which is very deep and can only
have been written by true initiates. IMHO, there are some good books
'on' the I-Ching, but only the Wilhelm-Baynes is the real thing in English.
I had some experiences like yours when starting out with the oracle but
in all cases, given time, even the glitches were positive. I suspect you
may feel trapped in your job or insecure, and going on the oracle's advice
you stepped out beyond your comfort zone and that is something which you may
take pride in. If you're a good, solid employee, your employer now knows
you aren't satisfied and may make things better too. Take the interview
experience as just that, experience. Learn from it. It may be the first step
on a new path and stop you from being rusty.
Even if the I-Ching had no supernatural element at all (which I can assure
you it does) it is a wonderful, bolstering text full of good advice on living
a right, courageous life.
If you have not done so, please
check out Marabas' Instant I-Ching Guide
also available with the SA's I-Ching coin set, and follow his instructions
on how to do a short ceremony/meditation. This will help....Rob.
ps. Readers from the SA: Does the SA still sell an I-Ching incense ?
[INFOBURST: Yes Rob, we still produce our exclusive I Ching Incense
(stockcode B324N ) complete with charcoals to burn it on. It's really
amazing stuff - I find it increases my perception and focus markedly.
You can order on-line at
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/incenses.htm - scroll down the A-Z list and hit the buy-now button. BB Denise W]
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations posted by Puretongue User
posted on February 25, 2008 at 11:18 AM
I've used the I Ching on and off over the years. But not with much consistency until recently.
Looking back through my diary at the hexagrams and text which answered
my queries years ago I can now see they were good advice, even though I
mis-interpreted them at the time. Sometimes that was because I wanted
another answer, and so interpreted the text in that light. Sometimes
because I wasn't familiar enough with the concepts underlying the text.
Incidently, I once watched a chap whose business was failing, consult
the I-Ching for advice on the "right thing to do." He followed the
advice and things went poorly for him. However, what he'd really wanted
to know when he asked the question was "What should I do to get out of
this mess?" Doing the "right" (i.e. honourable) thing - paying his debts
etc. - didn't help him escape.
You should always bear in mind the limitations of interpretation, and the frame which the question sets on the advice.
Topic I-Ching Divination/Translations posted by William J. User
posted on February 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM
I tried Tarot cards many years ago, several decks, lots of books
but my self-readings never had any validity. More recently my
interest in Taoism and Zen has led me to explore the I-Ching
and upon reading through the Wilhelm-Baynes translation I was
really psyched up that I could be onto the real deal as far as divination
is concerned, a book that's been used for thousands of years, however,
a few months back I was stuck whether to apply for a job partly
as doing so would let the cat out of the bag as far as my present
employer was concerned but my I-Ching reading was positive
about going for the job. I also asked several questions about
my suitability and the interview's likely outcome, etc: all positive.
BUT after attending the interview I got a rejection letter and my
'faith' in the Yi was instantly dashed. I've only asked a few minor
questions since and my answers feel like they're as hollow
as fortune cookie predictions, vague and could relate to anything.
Previously I felt assured that the I-Ching was very reliable, even like
a friend and mentor. Now I am wondering if it's all bunk, or maybe the
Wilhelm version is flawed. Are there better translations ? I've looked
around the internet on this question and it seems there is a split two
camp opinion where there are hard-core Wilhelm-only users, and
anti-Wilhelm who seem largely to use versions by Alfred Huang and
Stephen Karcher. Are these versions any good, or just cash generators
for new age authors ?
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Topic RE: i-ching hexagram talismans posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Yes Kimbal and once you have meditated on the 64 hexagrams you will know which one to use. Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic i-ching hexagram talismans posted by kimball User
posted on August 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Can i-ching talismans work for a building or a place as well as for a
person.eg placing the talisman some wear in a room to protect it from
intruders.
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Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 01:54 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:57 AM
I used the SA Chaosphere cassette which is available from their website.
click here and then scroll down the page to Chaosphere Cassette
I haven't invited him in because I'm too shy to approach him and i fall too pieces when i see him
There is hope though I the OEXP's i was recommended have really help a
lot and I'm continuing to use them. It really is a case of having to
step out of my comfort zone and sort myself out. As i said the Magick
worked just fine no complaints there.
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on The Chaosphere Cassette go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm
and scroll down the page to Chaosphere ]
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by UVRAY User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM
YOU ARE A STAR ! so please would you recommend a sigil spell for us poor creatures who need to attract a specific man??
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM
you mean he has fallen in love with you and that is why he is standing outside your house, singing etc??
Why not just go outside and INVITE HIM IN?????
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM
you mean he has fallen in love with you and that is why he is standing outside your house, singing etc??
Why not just go outside and INVITE HIM IN?????
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 07:29 PM
Seems to be the situation anyway. The chaosphere tape would appear to
have worked, the failure is in my inability to act on the results. I'm
now working to amened that.
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by stargirl User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM
you mean you succeeded in getting him?? he's outside your house so you can't get rid of him?
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by stargirl User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM
you mean you succeeded in getting him?? he's outside your house so you can't get rid of him?
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by stargirl User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM
you mean you succeeded in getting him?? he's outside your house so you can't get rid of him?
Topic RE: Don't bother with love spells!!! posted by misterloverman User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 02:01 PM
I don't get the impression adepts would pine away for ppl who don't fancy them!
Oh yes they do!Or rather in the stages before adepthood they did! To
claim otherwise is to presume they were never in the human condition and
that they are incapable of love.!! Love can strike anyone at any time.
How one deals with the situation and ones feelings is another matter and
that is where adepthood would come into its own. Romantic problems are
pointers and experiences in life that an 'incipient' adept will be
initiated through - how would he or she be able to understand others
without learning from this, and other equally challenging experiences?
Topic RE: Don't bother with love spells!!! posted by greenclover User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:39 PM
I was really sorry to hear that none of your workings were successful.
Have you consulted Marabas? If there is anyone whio can help, HE CAN!!
Do you think it is just a matter of right spell/right belief?
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Topic has anyone used a lovespell/sigil which posted by greenclover User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:37 PM
ACTUALLY WORKED?? I.E. THEY ATTRACTED & WON THE SPECIFIC MAN??
I ask because no one seems to have posted on this............
Topic has anyone used a lovespell/sigil which posted by greenclover User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:37 PM
ACTUALLY WORKED?? I.E. THEY ATTRACTED & WON THE SPECIFIC MAN??
I ask because no one seems to have posted on this............
Topic RE: Don't bother with love spells!!! posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 04:28 AM
After reading the OEXP's that are recommended below I'm starting to see
your point of view here. Personal power seems to be something I find far
more appealing than desperate longing for someone. I tried a few of the
techniques and although it's early days yet i found then very
effective, is that whats referred too as feyness? never really got what
was meant by that term
BTW isn't part of magickal training learning to control the emotions
anyway? I don't get the impression adepts would pine away for ppl who
don't fancy them!
Topic Don't bother with love spells!!! posted by misterloverman User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:28 AM
Everyone will have their own views but my experience is that any love
spell directed at a particular person is likely to fail or else be
unsatisfactory!
I remember going through every conceivable idea and action to attain
someone who on reflection simply was not interested! There is a energy
polarity between two people and when one psychically knows that they
have the natural advantage and all of the power there is generally no
incentive on their part to be involved - call it human nature, but we
all love the unattainable!! Many many years later the person turned up,
long after it really mattered, with the offer I had always dreamed of.
Problem was,by that time she had two children and was looking for any
mug - and better than me? A little meditation and contemplation of all
the events that led up to that moment showed me in great detail that she
was cruel, manipulative and heartless without equal, and it occured to
me what a lucky escape it had been that she had never wanted me prior to
that! Some people are bad and if not bad in every way, then in this
life they are bad for you and that is why the gods never let you have
that person - even when you feel certain that they are the one for you!
In my case it was not even a matter of looks or personality (I had
plenty of both - hope I still do?) but a lack of worldly power and money
( These days I have plenty of both!!).In those days I was a mug but
these days I am not ( Getting the picture!!?).The proposition was on her
terms, which I doubt I would have accepted even at the height of my
infatuation with her anyway, or in all likelihood not for long? We
forget that it is easy to fall out of love as it is to fall in love with
someone!
As things transpired the tables had completely turned and by that time I
didn't want her. In a funny sort of way I still love her and it would
be dishonest to myself if I denied it, but it is all rooted in a long
painful and horrible experience of unrequitted love that I could have
avoided if I had exerted my will power more than I did. History is full
of failed love affairs and secret infatuation, you are in the company of
millions. Welcome to the club!
It was a hard lesson but it taught me that you cannot make someone love
you even if on face value it appears that they should.It also showed me
that one should refrain from attempting to influence anothers will,
whether by magick or by more conventional means.Life has a rhythm and
momentum of its own, it takes you all your time to be able to dance to
it without having to force another to follow your own steps.
My real advice is to accept the situation. Forget it and will to move on
if you have already given it your best shot with no result.
Good luck
BB
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 03, 2008 at 08:47 PM
edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:44 AM
Posted by anon - >> most beginners shy away from the very
complexity which is required to achieve this success and instead choose
simple, often magically inept, spells which demand very little from the
operator. The result is nearly always failure because the gods will not
respond <<
It should be pointed out that not everyone beleives in "Gods."
Many a magician believes that he himself is the god of his own
subjective universe. The true sorcerer imprints his own will through
magic on the material universe.
I would also suggest that complexity is also unnecessary and overly
complicated intellectualism is a barrier to unleashing the powers of the
subconscious mind. Indeed, rather like any artist, the magician seeks
to break down overt pragmatism in order to open up a conduit through
which our creativity may travel. In Satamism we refer to this, during
ritual, as suspension of disbelief or intellectual decompression.
It is personal choice if you wish to believe that one's success is
reliant upon the co-operation of external deities but I simply wanted to
point out that many practitioners of magic do not see it this way.
[DENISE ANSWERS: You've misunderstood. It doesn't matter whether the
gods exist or not, Anon, BECAUSE THE UNIVERSE BEHAVES AS THOUGH THEY DO -
hence to work proper magic one takes account of the existence of the
gods, or ignores them at one's peril. The 'many practitioners of magic'
you speak of who don't are probably part of the chattering masses in the
New Age who Marabas blames for rationalising the mystery of magic and
diluting much of the genuine current of magic today. Learning about the
formulae of magick is an exercise in logic but it is best not to confuse
that with assuming magick is some form of scientific method. Why don't
you start a new thread on this subject because it is a crucial
difference between genuine initiated magic and the Coffee table variety
which fills up most of the other forums on the occult. ]
Topic i have read the previous posts and posted by LUCKYLADY User
posted on January 03, 2008 at 03:14 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM
wondered does anyone have a sigil magic ritual for love to attract a specific man??
Previous workings have failed so am at a loss as to what to do now.
Please do get in touch.
[INFOBURST: Oh ye of little faith - The Sorcerer's Apprentice INVENTED
spell kits over 30 years ago when non existed precisely to help raw
beginners to target a man they yearned for. These spellkits have been
used successfully by THOUSANDS of people over a quarter of a century. Do
you really want your man or don't you? For more information and prices
go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm ]
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 12:48 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Hi, sannymac, You are right, many people will search for a magical spell
for love not realising that it demands a transformation in themselves.
However the gods will always require a change in the operator as well a
the target. Often the mere act of making up one's mind to use magic
constitutes the act of stepping beyond one's comfort zone and sets in
motion everything else. You would be surprised at how many people seek a
lovespell and then when they discover the price say they can't afford
it! The gods detect prevarication of this sort quickly and soon move on
to help others who aren't fooling themselves.
Having access to, in my opinion, the BEST love-spell available (Marabas's Spellkit for Love's Desire -
see more details on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm
.) is the surest way of doing things because unlike most other spells it
will transform the operator as well as the target in a way which brings
maximum success.
However if the operant is so shy and retiring that they can't even grasp
or maximise the opportunities that the gods create (i.e. can't even say
hello when they bump into their man in the street) then all is not lost
because as you suspected there are indeed magical ways to overcome
shyness and to strengthen and amplify one's personality. A shy person
should obtain Marabas's OEXP100 OCCULT CURE FOR SHYNESS / STAMMERING and
OEXP103 OBTAINING POWER AND PERSONALITY THROUGH INVOKING ARCHETYPES.
Both of these together contain secrets of how to overcome self
consciousness and become truly gregarious and entertaining in the
company of other people or groups of people. You can download these
OEXPs instantly, right now, and read them on your screen (or print out a
copy) by going to
http://www.sorcerers-apprentce.co.uk/occultls.htm and scrolling down the page to OEXP100 and OEXP103.
Topic RE: Thank you Seewanan for posted by Denise W. User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 12:47 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Stargirl, You can find more info on the Chaosphere
tape sannymac recommended on http://www.sorcerers-
apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm Scroll down the page
to Chaosphere Tape and click on the button to
purchase. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by sannymac User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 04:46 AM
Hi Stargirl
I fell for someone so i used th SA Chaosphere tape to try and get him,
Afterwards I would see him almost everyday on the street nearly walking
into him round corners etc..
He then got a job on a building site across the street from my house! It
was getting very uncanny indeed. The problem was I was so shy i
couldn't pluck up the courage to speak to him, I let all those
opportunities slip bye because i was so unconfident in myself. Sounds
like you might be having a similar crisis, maybe Marabas could produce
something a spellkit or mini rite that could address this very common
problem.
Incidentally my fella now hangs around outside my house drunk at night
telling anyone who'll listen that I'm a poof and i fancy him! he's been
out there for a Year and a half now, every weekend, the lady protests
too much methinks!
Karma eh?!
Topic RE: Thank you Seewanan for posted by Seewanan User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 03:37 PM
Hey, but that's better still. Why don't you propose to him? N please
don't tell me girls should not propose. Yea, u r rite. U dnt need the
OEXP I mentioned. I am a novice, and not yet "magically" matured as
such. You are in an advantage. Propose straightaway, don't be shy. :)
All the best.
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Topic Thank you Seewanan for posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:20 PM
taking the time to reply to me! That's great! I have found the right man
and we are friends but he is shy etc. I want to draw him to me through a
spell of sigil magic which I believe in. Any ideas? because I'm not
sure that the OXP is strong enough & there is no time to waste.
Topic Thank you Seewanan for posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:20 PM
taking the time to reply to me! That's great! I have found the right man
and we are friends but he is shy etc. I want to draw him to me through a
spell of sigil magic which I believe in. Any ideas? because I'm not
sure that the OXP is strong enough & there is no time to waste.
Topic RE: **URGENT SIGIL SPELL** NEEDED posted by Seewanan User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 07:05 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Greetings,
No one can help you without knowing your problem. Why don't you choose a
spell from S.A after having meditated for a while, do not act in
haste.
At the beginning of this year, I felt desperate too.
And I purchased OEXP51 , and used it. The girl who was running away from
me became friendly again. No, she's not my girlfriend, but once we were
talking again she told me she was engaged to someone. I just went away,
but we still do phone. And believe me, I am not a looser.
I don't know details of your problem, but believe me you should try some
spell from S.A. And maybe you also need to try an oracle(No I dont use
one.
Regards
Topic **URGENT SIGIL SPELL** NEEDED posted by * STARGIRL * User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 04:40 PM
Please can someone help me? I am in a DESPERATE situation & need an
urgent, straightforward sigil spell. I am a relative newcomer and all
else has failed. I am HEARTBROKEN. I am genuine and therefore would
treat any email address with 100% respect. Please will some experienced
initiate take pity on me and offer to help?? Thanks a lot, Stargirl xxx
Topic Thanks UVRAY I WOULD BE VERY posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 01:52 PM
GRATEFUL FOR ANY SIMPLE SIGIL RITUAL YOU COULD GIVE ME. I HAVE ALREADY
PURCHASED OILS, CANDLES ETC FROM DENISE SO I HOPE SHE WILL NOT MIND YOUR
INSIGHT. LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.
Topic helpful love spells posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 03:30 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:39 AM
any spell you know so i know what if a girl likes me or not?any spell you know to find your soulmate?
[INFOBURST: If you wear Ruthvah Sexual Attractant you will know for sure
that women like you because it affects every girl you come into contact
with. For more info go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm ]
Topic helpful love spells posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 03:27 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:37 AM
any spell you know so i know what if a girl likes me or not?any spell you know to find your soulmate?
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on a the most genuine tried and tested lovespell, go
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm ]
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 05:13 PM
Well, Stargirl, as you see this is not my forum and I don't want to be
treading on the toes of those who do own it. Since this forum is a
gateway to a commercial venture, out of respect, I will have to wait and
see if Denise minds me discussing it.
Topic FOLKS..please somebody help Stargirl ! posted by LILY User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 03:07 PM
she sounds really nice
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 02:17 PM
UVRAY what you have written is absolutely brilliant. Please may I
respectfully ask you as I am an absolute beginner, which simple Sigil
magic spell would you reccommend to attract a particular man to be
deeply in love with me? Currently, he likes me but is shy. I am on
benefits so don't have a lot of money for tools etc. I would be
extremely grateful to hear from you.
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Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:18 PM
That last reply was me again. I forgot to fill in my name.
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:17 PM
The spell kit sounds like a good idea in this case. As you know, Sigil
Magic is extremely simple and I think the problem is that many initiates
into the use of magic are too often fooled by complicated systems and
might think that because it's complicated it must be somehow scientific.
It doesn't work that way and simple methods that bypass the natural
resistence of our conscious, logical mind are, in my experience,
extremely effective. One book I personally like to recommend is Carl
Jung's Man & His Symbols. Though this isn't addressing Sigil Magic
itself it does address the psychology at work behind it for those who
are interested in the study of such things. Of course, there is
absolutely no requirement to do so and often keeping one's mind free of
clutter is a boon to magic. Personally, with Sigil Magic I have found
that with each success belief grows. I have employed it now on numerous
occasions and have been numb struck, both by the rapidity in which I
have seen the fruition of my desires and in the sheer accuracy of
results. After many such successes I now employ it with not "faith" but
absolute conviction.
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by Denise User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 09:08 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:36 AM
All magic of whatever style must indeed use symbols (the language of the
subconscious). Only via the use of symbols can a person consciously
recreate the Self. Marabas's 'high-magick' spell-kit P100
(see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm ) actually
involves creating a sigil-symbol as a focus for love which is bound
between the two dolls used in the kit to represent the lovers and so
takes care of this important aspect. This spellkit was one of the first M
created back in the 1970s (Marabas invented spellkits) and has a long
track record of success. Spellkits have the advantage that newcomers
need not embark upon a regime of study in a magical method before
working a spell to alleviate an immediate problem.
You are correct in that we do have a number of books which cover the
creation and use of sigils including Marabas's OEXP003 Naming Ceremony
To Consecrate Objects and/or People ( available for immediate download
from
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm)
M says that there are many different types of love-spell each of which
will suit the particular nature and spiritual awareness of the operant.
Our experience shows that simple 'rustic' spells are frequently highly
successful and it would be a mistake to overlook the fact that, though
initiates attempt to control and direct magic, it's force is still
miraculous and by qualification cannot be preconceived. One never
actually knows how magic works otherwise it wouldn't be magic ( take a
look at
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm for real examples of
it doing so ). Sometimes magic just works and for beginners the simple
spells are worth a try first as being a cost-effective method of
beginning to take control of one's destiny. BB Denise W
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 04:20 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:28 AM
One of the simplest and truly effective methods of magic I have found is
Chaos Magic, often also referred to as Sigil magic; which I find to be
more of an appropriate description for it since it involves the focusing
of our desires through symbology. If you consider that our emotions and
feelings such as love exist beyond the realm of solid definition it is
often difficult for us to focus and animate our desires. By creating a
workable symbol out of a concept we help foucus the mind in its ability
to draw unto us our desires. I am sure you will find a book on Sigil
Magic somewhere at the Sorcerers Apprentice site.
[INFOBURST: You are right once again UVRAY Marabas has detailed the
application of sigils (including the way to incorporate them in a
charging ceremony)at length in his Spellkit for Selling Property. and
with this framework sigil magick can be applied to virtually any
purpose. The instructions and script for the Property Selling Spellkit
are obtainable separately from the spellkit itself and can be downloaded
instantly right now. For more information go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spellins.htm
then scroll down the page to Property Selling Spellkit instructions. BB Denise W
]
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something posted by Denise User
posted on December 07, 2007 at 01:29 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Hi Alice,
Why don't you telephone Paula on 011x x45139 (44 113 2451309 from
overseas) -she'll ask Frater Marabas for you and he will tell you what
you need exactly. Alternatively you can check out our free spell sheet
on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/magoils.htm which contains hundreds of
special concoctions and magical oils and gives the best easy beginners'
spells to use them in. There's several for use in love magic and they
are quite simple to operate.
Of course if you want to use the most powerful form of High Ceremonial
Magick then you'll require one of Marabas's ultra-complete Spellkit for
Love's Desire. He invented the idea of Spellkits decades ago before the
rest jumped on the bandwagon and his has a long track record of success.
They include absolutely everything you need, step-by-step instructions,
ceremonial script, candles, holders, all the necessary altar equipment,
magical philtres, oils and incenses - absolutely everything. Check them
out on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm . They aren't cheap but how much is your man worth?
If you have any more problems selecting a magical application email me
on denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk and give more detail so I
can advise in depth.
BB Denise W.
Topic I need a lovespell or something posted by Alice User
posted on December 07, 2007 at 01:20 PM
I need a lovespell or something but I don't know what. Can anyone advise me?
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posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:46 PM
edited on July 18, 2008 at 12:45 PM
...........My best wishes to him and all of his terrific team.
[Infoburst: Only temporarily thank goodness Rhiannon, M will be back in a
week or so but as his input is absolutely key to the workings of the
S.A. we all get time off when he leaves. :-) BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Lady Theorian's Temple. posted by Michael. User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Hi Steve! So glad things are working out well now.
I feel a strong afinity with you Steve/McParted, I offer
My sincere best wishes in all your endeavors. Maybe Denise is amenable
to the concept of storytelling:-( I didn't have the honour of knowing
Lady Theorian, but would be intrigued to know of Her:-) A memorium, if
you will. Of course, there may be good reason why it should not be
written, perhaps later, when things are entirely stable?
May Serenety shine...
Topic RE: Lady Theorian's Temple. posted by Mcparted User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Oh sorry again for the late reply, hotmail keep changing their login, so
my pop scanner is less than useless, and things have been moving at
breakneck speed now
Not upset at all Michael in fact I'm glad you brought it up, no way did I
mean any offence by that post, the last people I want to be upsetting
are fellow occultists, we are few in number, and have enough on our
hands defending ourselves against society.
naughty little elemental's playing pranks should have been reeled in now the temple is fully working once more.
It takes some getting used to having to cram so many different things in
a day, but now my rituals come easy, and I do rejoyce her passing now,
because I'm certain she is there guiding me along and protecting me
thanks for bringing all this up, and I hope that I can post some good news in the coming years - Steve
Topic RE: Lady Theorian's Temple. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Greetings Steve. I am so sorry to have upset you at this time. Dear
Lady Theorian must have forseen, that you must ' Fight for it' I totally
believe your words, Steve, I sense love. Brother, someone is dopple
ganging rights to your Dear Lady's Temple. Don't worry.
I'll look into this, shan't bother you again. Very best wishes in your endeavors. I offer friendship. Take care, Michael.
Topic RE: Lady Theorian's Temple. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 01:16 AM
Greetings Steve.
Apologies if I upset you at this delicate time. I made no accusation, as
said, I was/am puzzled. I believe you immediately upon reading your
words. Another entry was made on another site.
There have been other issues with this site, occultists being a strange
bunch, now I understand you Steve, I apologise for any distress caused. I
will resolve the problem.
Blessings, servant of Light.
Topic RE: Lady Theorian's Temple. posted by changing.redcarAThotmail.co.uk User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Nope I never posted it anywhere else
My name is Steve my user name is Mcparted, I don't have multiple names on forums.
The gaps in posts are because I don't get much spare time at present,
certainly not enough to go posting round other forums, under other names
the idea is laughable, have you not thought maybe someone else cut and
pasted it, elsewhere where people knew Marcia.
I did ask about her knife of the art not long back I did so because she
bought it from the SA, so thought that was the best place to ask that
Q.
Why not post it weeks after my last post, It's called an update.
It was posted here originally because I was asked to.
Whats wrong with buying a working witch's temple to secure it's future.
Buying a property takes time, It's not like buying a bag of shopping,
that's without the nightmare of everything being in probate nothing was
secure till my name was finally on the deeds
.
Why did I do it, because my dying girlfriends last words on the temple
on the day she died were "fight for it", don't let it fall into enemy
hands.
I'm aware that the temple is within one's self I will probably be
putting it into a trust eventually, no rush now I have fulfilled my
promise.
I'm sure the OTO paid something for their gang hut, as indeed the SA do
with Burley road, so I cannot understand why there is even an issue
here.
The update was more about what's happening with the living than the
dead, It's easy to rejoice some distant occultist dying, but when it's
your girlfriend it's a bit different, and I never rejoiced then I was
gutted, we passed her over, but it doesn't mean you have to like it,
even for occultists, the closer you are to someone the more it hurts.
Bearing in mind that Marcia goes back to the early days of the SA, so why would I NOT post the events on their forum.
Anyway peace love and brown rice
Steve
Topic Lady Theorian's Temple. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 10:10 AM
I don't wish to be innapropriate, but am confused. Didn't you say
this on another site, under a different name? Now you've bought it? Why
post here, 3-4 weeks after the other posts? Anyway, it was
A week or so later, Zardoz,who founded the U.S. Boleskine Abbey, entered
stage 4 of our, Thelemite meditation, going to sleep after a long
battle with cancer, He died at 4.18p.m. (The number of completion of The
Great work. Also, Major General McMurty, U.S. army, Head of The U.S.A.
O.T.O. did depart around this time.
Blessed Be Their ascention, Our world is better for having known them.
"A Feast for life, and a greater feast for Death! Feast! Aye,
Rejoice! There is no dread hereafter; There is the dissollution, and eternal ecstacy in the kisses of Nu!" Liber Al vel Legis.
Topic RE: Lady Theorians Temple posted by Mcparted User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 07:24 PM
Well sorry I've been so long updating this thread
The temple is now secure, I bought it.
Work has been done to secure the shell, as Marcia was less than practical, now we are ready to rock
I'm surprised how well stocked she was, and how much occult knowledge,
she had passed down to myself, anyway I look forward to many happy years
working now that the physical graft is coming to an end.
The only thing is, it breaks my heart coming across her workings, though
I realise I have to finalise workings that have came to completion, it
still throws me a bit.
Steve
Topic RE: Lady Theorians Temple posted by Mcparted User
posted on March 12, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Thanks Denise
Marcia sure kept me from falling for self ego, she also learned me how to deal with the media which were always sniffing round.
Many of the spew age witches tried to be louder and prouder, even down
to copying Marcia's house by painting their houses up to say "hey we are
here too".
Often they said they were her, because of her reputation.
Marcia on the other hand had streams of people begging for readings, and the said new agers wanting to pay for training lol.
The god squad never thought much of her, often god graffiti would appear
on her posters, though to be fair - not all, mostly the born agains
were behind it.
She was very down to earth, with a large West Yorkshire accent, I'd ask
how she was and the answer was something like "champion", we did a
funeral the occult community would be proud of and never weakened to
just go through with any old funeral
Her file system is as chaotic as mine so it's going to be some time
before I can get everything together, other than my own paintings on the
easel nothing has changed, though Marcia was one of the best naive
artists I know, her work captured an age of innocence.
Anyway I will keep you posted to how things are
BB Steve
Topic RE: Lady Theorians Temple posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 12:19 PM
The news of MarciaŽs death was a sad loss to us all here. She had been a
client of the S.A. and a friend of Marabas for nearly thirty years, was
regularly in touch with each of us. Marabas well remembers her calling
in to the shop for a chat in the good old days when the S.A. was open
for browsing. Above all M says he remembers her completely down to earth
and genuine sincerity about occult things - a far cry from the many
self-appointed high priestesses who pepper the New Age at the moment.
Good people but with occult substance often in inverse ratio to their
egotism. M introduced Lady Theorian to Frater BB who, amongst many other
achievements conceived and drew the unique InitiatesŽ Tarot for the
S.A. and together they did sterling work to develop their own special
paths. It will be a challenge for you to coalesce her work and temple
but we know you will not be short of the effort and committment required
to do so. Long may the gods shine light upon their memories. BB Denise
W.
Topic Lady Theorians Temple posted by McParted User
posted on March 06, 2008 at 09:14 AM
Well as those in the know are aware of, sadly she died.
I find myself the keeper of a witches temple, there is so much occult workings in here I don't know where to start lol
I put a few photographs of one or two her oil paintings on flickr, it's a
small start.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/24001943@N07/
Next I'm looking at a way of preserving the temple for as long as possible, it's hard work when you are grieving a lost love.
BB Mcparted
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Topic RE: l.o.t - reissues posted by Paul User
posted on December 31, 2008 at 04:19 PM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Yeah would be nice to see L.O.T. again. I have a few issues from past,
but would be nice to see re-issues, because some of the articles were
really helpful and insightful.
Happy New Year to all!
[Infoburst: Hi Paul, and reciprocal greetings for the New Year ev. M
refrains from setting on new staff specifically for a single project
because he knows from experience that the gods will just open up more
and more doors and there is always the danger of diluting the current of
magic at the S.A. It is no secret that M edited all the LOTs and they
contain his wu-wei as well as the combined current of the S.A. along
with the destiny of some of the best occultists of that generation who
all contributed crucial articles.
As you probably know, back issues of all the LOTs are available in
photocopied form and several really important issues are available in
printed form, so the knowledge and insight from that period can still be
shared by people today, so no loss. We do have plans for digitising
every back issue and putting it on our website for instant download but M
says that completing all the ideas in his project book would require a
cast of thousands and the discipline of having to focus on what is
immediately and realistically obtainable is probably a good thing. ;-)
BB Denise W. ]
Topic l.o.t posted by kimball User
posted on December 12, 2008 at 05:29 PM
has marabas ever thort about hiring some people soly to work on l.o.t.
in a seperate department. it may get some issue's finaly done and allow
you guy's to get on running the s.a.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 02:09 AM
Hi Karen. Actually, they are endowed with conciousness, a spirituality
if you will. I created one, to perform specific tasks, it would reply to
me, i.e: speak. When its work was finished, so was its existance, so,
no turning on it's creator.
Does it need be an Adept? The endowment of conciousness of an Astral
entity, is a lesson learned pre-Adept, in Tibbetan Bhuddist studies. The
further arts were performed after I achieved union with my H.G.A:
became an Adeptus minor, within. Yes, I'd imagine it should only be
attempted by Adeptii, to be certain of no errors.
I've read the previous comments in this thread, and, see the same old
problem, accentuated in modern days: There are a lot of people needing
guidance, and too few Adeptii to serve. So I've been ignoring a lot of
questions, referring people to study, ask S.A. as
certain esoteric knowledge suitable for the querant, could be misunderstood, or accidentally misused by the practitioner.
Although you didn't ask a question Karen, after previous comments, I
thought I'd give some safe comments, as you found out the basics
yourself. If people give specific questions, which I can answer safely,
as explained, it could ease the apparently very busy S.A. burden. Love,
Light, Love and liberty to All.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem. posted by Karen User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 12:13 AM
I have a vague idea what golems are generally, i.e. a human-created
creature, usually constructed by a very spiritually adept person, made
from clay or other inanimate material: this is probably where the basic
idea of Frankenstein's monster came from. I've heard that they lack a
spiritual conscousness, and usually cannot speak. Some legends about
them, in fact, describe them as turning on their creators eventually, as
in the Frankenstein story. My question was about the specific character
referred to in earlier posts in this thread, since the picture in the
link below wouldn't come up on my laptop screen on the first several
tries. I was just wondering if he was some sort of office "mascot",
since I haven't yet read any issues of the aforementioned magazine...
Anyway--I found a fairly good Wikipedia page on said creature at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem , if anyone wants to check it out,
critique it, whatever...
Topic Golem's Gossip posted by Alan User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 08:40 PM
Hi Karen,
Golem's gossip was a regular column in the Lamp of Thoth where Golem was
very naughty and spilled the beans on a lot of deserving targets, etc.
As Denise has said, Golem had his finks and I'm sure many folks out there
are breathing easier for the moment that he's still nailed away in his coffin
(for now...)
...Hilarious ! Treat yourself to a back issue of LOT some time for the
experience. LOT 24, the red issue is superb.
Best regards, Alan.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem. posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 05:46 PM
I applaud Karen for asking, we cannot all afford to buy lots of books
and hope that some of the more knowledgable out there may offer help and
guidance rather than critisize people for asking.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem. posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 03:33 PM
Tuition Re: Karen post on April 4th '08, on sex and magick thread.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem. posted by Karen User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 01:37 AM
Tuition? I simply said the picture wasn't coming up yesterday. Just had a look at it a minute ago, however...
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem. posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 03:50 PM
Dear Karen, you're popping up all over the shop asking for tuition. I thought a forum was a place to exchange viewpoints?
As a Thelemite, the emphasis is on solo working, study, study and more
study. If the fates decide, ( Or get nagged so much, in your case,
ho-ho) You will find a Guru. 'Til then, study,work.
S.A. is a bookstore. Find; How to create Elementals. Then, How
to create a Golem.
Moral duty fulfilled.
Toodle-pip!
Topic RE: lamp of thoth posted by Karen User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 03:05 AM
What sort of critter is Golem? I can't seem to get the pic to come up on my laptop, I'm afraid...
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Topic RE: lamp of thoth/Golem posted by Alan User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 01:41 AM
Yes, Golem was the best !
Nice to see his pic on the forum.
Thanks,
Alan.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:56 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 09:17 AM
How is Golem these days ? What a guy !
<
[Infoburst: Golem? Golem! Don't mention that putrid bag of bones to me. I
well remember him rattling around the office sticking his boney digits
into everything he could to write that snide column of his. When I first
started here one of my jobs was to stamp out the 'I'm A Golem's Fink'
badges he sent to his informants. Ha. The information still comes in but
we've nailed him back in his coffin until the Editor says otherwise.
;-) ] (Click here to see a pic of Golem)
Topic lamp of thoth posted by kimball User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 01:04 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 09:43 AM
is the s.a still producing new issues of the lamp of thoth.
[Infoburst: Well, kinda, the people who edit, format, write and produce
the LOT are by and large the same ones that run the SAFF which is just
so busy and makes so many demands on their time that LOT26 is l-o-n-g
overdue. There is a standing arrangement whereby people with existing
subscriptions can transfer their credit to other goods at the S.A. if
they like but most are just waiting patiently. The only back-copies of
the LOT which are now available are LOT13, LOT24 (The Red Lot) and
LOT25. You can see background on these and order them on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lotmag.htm
if you haven't got them in your library. I particularly recommend The
Red Lot. M does have plans to digitise all back issues and put them out
on the net for instant download but things are so busy that this will
not be in the immediate future. BB Denise W.]
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Topic RE: Liber 777 How to understand posted by revrev User
posted on October 27, 2009 at 04:10 PM
For me, the easiest method came from just reading the tables. One day,
sooner than you may suspect, it will fall in place. I had the burst of
insight that said "So THAT'S how it works!" when I noticed how each
column correlates to the others of the same position on all the charts.
Your difficulty is not unusual. I have not consulted 777 in some time
and I know that I will have to go through the learning cycle again. So
just keep reading it and it will become clear.
Blessings!
revrev
Topic 777 posted by Valazebek User
posted on October 10, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Greetings Bother/Sister;
The system of tables; as in conjunction with knowledge of otz chim; the tree of life-hebrew-
Gives much knowledge-Let us say;
You have prepared your
Magickal weapons; and wish to perform
a Magickal Invocation
of Mercury; The God, that He may bring knowledge ---
777 Gives the needed keys; I.E. Colours; incenses, Holy
Names; In accord with the laws of the universe; as read in
the invocations of an entity; knowing not the language or meaning; Yet raising such an 'Spirit' WILL occur.
Such is the knowledge within 777. That using the corelations;
is the way to successsful Magick.
Hope this aids You in Your Path;
V
Topic Liber 777 How to understand posted by ethericsoul User
posted on July 19, 2009 at 03:34 PM
edited on July 23, 2009 at 08:48 AM
Hi
Can someone give me some simple way to understand this book, how to use it?
Thanks
[INFOBURST: The first part of the book is based on a numerical system
related to the Cabbalistic spheres and paths of the tree of life. By
locating the numbers of the spheres and paths on the tree glyph you can
map out the powers, influences, objects, symbols etc appropriate to
Practical Cabbalah.
You will find our Tree of Life Charts P6008 of inestimable help in both understanding and using Liber 777 to conduct your rites. BB Denise W]
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Topic Lol posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 02:04 PM
lol Winter Snake, the materialist are quick to call people crazy. but
they follow a logic and it is easy to find the parameters of there
argument and stay within them. New Age Waffle. Now thats more tricky and
i tend to watch my words.
Cheers for the comments Dennis.
Good Luck
Topic denise comment posted by winter_snake User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 10:20 AM
edited on April 18, 2008 at 04:03 PM
On one note has marabas writen a oexp on how to shutdown the spychic scensor yet.
[Denise Replies: Yes, wintersnake, regular use of the centering exercise
of the Rosy Cross Rite does exactly that (see Marabas's OEXP034 on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm [ scroll down page to
OEXP034]) along with this he always recommends hard physical work or
exertion, avoidance of any music or TV (which can put the mind into a
more sensitive alpha state). He says sleep is an amazing healer for this
problem and the use of natural sleep-aids such as vervain and valerian
should also be considered. Marabas has also penned a powerful
self-exorcism rite (OEXP028 ) which he inaugurated in order to avoid
people who had got themselves into deep psychic trouble, defaulting
through lack of knowledge into the clutches of idiots in the clergy who
might make matters worse (there are at least two occasions when
so-called 'exorcism' by priests has resulted in someone being killed)
and who knows how many have been pushed over the edge unnecessarily. BB
Denise W.
Topic hands tentacles posted by winter_snake User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Be carfull when talking to meterialist's about your exsperience and your
occult interest's in the same conversation. Most the the time they will
try to link the two together. And say that your missguided interest
lead to your exsperience.
Topic RE: Loosing my refrence points posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 02:52 PM
Thanks for that RiceNpeas, Marabas teaches that the world of normality
exists solely because of the functioning of the psychic censor which
focuses our thoughts and reduces the multanimous input from other
dimensions/worlds which permanently surround us. It is one of the main
purposes of occultism to teach methods of removing and reinstating the
psychic censor so that the magician or witch can enter and experience
other worlds and realities. The Psychic censor can be removed in many
ways other than by ritual method (stroke, violent shock, siezure, fit,
physical accident, emotional breakdown or / and the use of drugs. Once
the censor is removed there is indeed no 'map of self' remaining to
which we can feel anchored and so we are vulnerable to multanimous
astral input which sends the 'I' off into unfathomable experiences such
as you describe. The key of course is to have some method of
re-instating the psychic censor and thus 'normality'. Memories are
permanently 'burned' into the senaptic tracks in the brain, ready for
recall which often requires the stimulation of one or more of the senses
(ie. perfumes, sounds, sights, symbols etc) which was associated with
each memory. Hence the magician's use of perfumes, sounds, symbols. Once
the psychic censor has been moved it is easier to move it again under
will, and then it becomes a psychic
'gift' to achieve trance states and visions. Marabas says that the rise
in 'mental illness' today are often a result of the no-holds-barred
fantasy which the media expose us to. Yesod is the gateway to the astral
world thus it is a small step for the consciousness to travel from
horror on film to horror in the mind. Without the necessary conscious
control over our emotions, ambitions and fears (which genuine occult
systems teach) more people are loosing themselves in Yesod. The solution is not to censor
fantasy but to teach people how to manipulate and control it within themselves. BB Denise W.
Topic Loosing my refrence points posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 02:39 PM
I am straying from the beginners section here and have just started to
PRACTICE Magick. I have been wanting to post for a while, but i try not
to ask questions and can only offer a Neophytes experiences. so here
goes.
From my early teens to mid 20s i stuffed myself with physcodelics and
heavy depressants. it did not work out to well but i have a lot of
experiences to draw from. 1 of the most terrifing was the loss of all my
refrence points. This is very hard to explain but i just did not KNOW.
My brain then kick in trying despratly to make sense by naming the stuff
around me. it focused on my hands and patheticaly named them tenticals
in a hope it would brng sanity to to the situation. and fair play it
did. This repeated for years sometimes whilst on mild/strong
hallecagenics sometimes in the pots and pans world. once in my English
class for long moment. Freaky. As i have got older the experience is
almost gone unless i stare at my hand and think tenticals. then i get a
little closer.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
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Topic RE: C.o.S-Thelemite magazines. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 03:23 AM
Thanks for link; Well O Well!
WOW! What I can only call the mindset, or psycho-spiritual objectives are the same as Thelema!
I would imagine that Crowley is out of the equation , to declare
C.o.S as an entirely different entity? Don't know.
I mentioned a magazine, writings of present day Thelemites, I'm not so sure you'd want it, now I've read C.o.S. Whatever;
Discovered statement that the magazine was withdrawn, after abuse.
I imagine stuff was being (sold?) published illegaly.
I'd actually imagine you're quite content where you are!
Best wishes.
Topic RE: Lucifer/Abramelin, etc posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 08:14 PM
Greetings All;
To those involved in writing this thread, indeed any readers, did
anyone else experience an unexpected effect from this work?
Actually, explanation may be an esoteric step too far.
Thanks.
Best to All.
D.
Topic C.o.S-Thelemite magazines. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 03:33 PM
Many thanks, Graham, I'm looking forward to this!
I doubt your treading on any toes, D.L. might be pleased that a genuine
Thelemite wants to understand, perhaps a a time of fuller co-operation
may occur. (If it seems fitting, I'll pop a token donation to C.o.S.) In
this spirit of co-operation, I enjoy reading an Arizona based O.T.O.
lodge magazine, they write articles, no books to download, no items to
sell, they offer this free. I'm waiting for Frater Seahorse-catfish to
come down from a mountain He's currently living on, to conclude a three
part story; so far: Hitler's transmigratory beam has been tampered with ,
by those gosh darn
Lemurians, and He finds himself living in late 1800,s San Francisco, as a transvestite gay, which he considers,....well, I
have diffuculty understanding 'ordinary' humour, yet find this hilarious! Also potent esoteric truths are slipped in.
Only those of medium grade would understand, therefore persevere with
the unique articles,No copyright/other issues with S.A., so I'll check
with them, and give you the link. A favour for a favour,
if you will. Thanks again, enjoy your weekend, (or not, as you will!) Best wishes, D.
Topic Satanic articles archive posted by Graham User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 06:47 AM
Greetings D,
Link below to an online archive from Dark Lily magazine.
DL ran from 1987 to 1995(?) and was my own introduction
to Satanism. DL also provided the appendix on Satanism
for the SA's Occult Census. A very fresh and original
take on Satanism was always presented in the magazine.
Kind Regards, Graham.
http://geocities.com/societyofdarklily/sodlmss/sodlmenu.htm
ps. I have no way of knowing if DL consented to this online
archive and apologise if I'm treading on toes by posting the
link - G.
Topic Lucifer. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Greetings Graham, and thankyou. 'That, detective, was the right answer.' I understand. Some key words, now I shall expand; why?
Beyond this Graham, I have glanced at Lavey's work, performed
a core ritual, yet am missing something, I can't get the point,
seriously Brother, I have no issues with C.o.S. I want to understand, not understanding something annoys me.
I have written a brief outline of Thelemic structure on the A.Crowley thread, would you do me the honour, of describing able,
what you will concerning structure, aims and method.
I'm missing the point, Graham, and would appreciate, as perhaps many others would, a clarification of this system. Sincerely.D.
Topic Lucifer/Abramelin, etc posted by Graham User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 08:23 PM
The New Teatament verse which is used to make Lucifer become
satan is Luke 10:18:
"I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven".
which corresponds to Isaiah 14, as cited by JK.
Lucifer was a Roman God, similar to the Greek Phospheros.
The first use of Lucifer in the Bible was in the Latin Vulgate
to translate Isaiah, as said. Previously no Christian identified
Lucifer as the devil. This translation started that, and the
New testament verse cited above was used to show that this was
the 'same' event in the OT and NT (!)
A question: If Jewish holy writ has no Lucifer, why do the Jewish
grimoires such as Abra-melin have him as one of the Four infernal
Princes ? This is the basis also of the four Elemental Princes
in Satanism where Lucifer = Air, the East, Enlightenment.
- Graham
Topic Bible and Magick posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Hi ONU,
I don't have a set opinion on the Bible to be honest. I did
make it my New Years resolution in 2000 to read it right through
(Man, was that heavy going ! Took me 6 months though I had planned
to take 4). At the time I was a Church of Satan member and thought
it would be good to have some Bible knowledge. I really enjoyed it
as it led to study of many areas I wouldn't otherwise have gotten
into.
I know Marabas sometimes advises use of Psalms for example in Root
magic or Talismans. have you ever used such, or know of uses of
the Bible in Magick. I have a book I bought a long time ago but
shelved it at the time: Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses. (I will
start a new thread I think)Have you seen this or used it ?
Best regards, JK
Ishtar-Lucifer. posted by ONU.
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Hi JK, you certainly know your Bible!
Topic Eostre/Ishtar posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Hi Anonymous,
in answer to your comments re Saxon Goddess Eostre,
I think She is synonymous with Ishtar, as with Ostara and others.
In the musty academic literature on European Paganism, apparently
there is only mentioned once in Old English literature, and that was by
the Christian scholar the Venerable Bede (679-735). In his work De
Temporum Ratione, Bede says that April was called Eostremonath, due to
the fact that the Heathen Anglo-Saxons worshipped and held ceremonies
during that month in honour of Eostre.
The word Eostre was thought to mean East, making her a Goddess of the Dawn.
I am not an expert, just a curious seeker but I think Eostre which
was pronounced Easter, and Ishtar (also pronounced Easter) are
probably the same.
JK.
RE: Lucifer. posted by Anonymous
posted on June 16, 2008 at 10:42 AM Reply to this Message
Good morning. I always thought the word 'Easter' was derived from the
Saxon Goddess EOSTRE who is and was celebrated around the spring
equinox.
Topic Lucifer. posted by ONU User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Nuit also says, "To worship me, drink wines, and wines that foam.
Topic Ishtar-Lucifer. posted by ONU. User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Hi JK, you certainly know your Bible!
I have certainty in the existance of 'Infinite mind space' as I
mumbled it to myself for years, before reading 'The Magical Theory of
The Universe.' This Infinite mind is concious, an Egyptian form: Nuit,
or Nu. (Still half asleep, rambling a bit.) The concrete form
is Babalon; If you consider a sphere, the top half is Nuit,(The Queen of
Heaven) the bottom part; Babalon, able to descend below the Abyss, to
redeem.
A.Crowley is believed to have recieved transmissions from this Egyptian
Trinity, Father, Mother, Child. (Personally, I believe this) The
Goddess, Queen of Heaven says "To worship me, burn mine incense unto me
under a night sky"(Approx.) Instruction on the preperation of 'cakes of
light' is given. Any road up,
Must get to bank, get food.
There are a lot of connections, yet, why, is Lucifer portrayed as male,
pointing to Adam Kadmon, with so many Goddess references?
Quite intrigueing, thanks for that JK.
Yes, I knew of the British oestre tradition, apparently there's more!
Best wishes. ONU.
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Topic RE: Lucifer. posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Good morning. I always thought the word 'Easter' was derived from the
Saxon Goddess EOSTRE who is and was celebrated around the spring
equinox.
Topic RE: Lucifer. posted by JK User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 09:57 AM
Hi ONU,
I was thinking about what you said about Lucifer
representing the perfect man and how in Xtian cosmology
this would be Christ as the 2nd or perfected Adam, and to
the Kabbalists, Adam Kadmon.
Another Christ/Lucifer/Ishtar connection in mundane life
may be the holiday of Easter which is named after Ishtar.
The Jews did not have Easter but the crucifixion story
happened around passover, corresponding to Easter being known
to the Jews as a neighbouring Pagan festival of Ishtar
from where the eggs of fertility come and possibly also
the hot cross buns ?:
Jeremiah 44:19 "And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and
poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship
her.."
Best regards,
JK
Topic RE: Lucifer = Ishtar posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 04:31 PM
Thanks to you and to all who replied directly to me on this posting. I
am approaching Lucifer as a means of liberation, not Satan as usually
promoted in Xtianity - in particular as an embodiment of light/dark - an
incorporator of life and beings in all their facets and manifeststion -
liberation being, arguably, a transdence of this opposite/polar
thinking and being. I will follow up the references and suggestions
re:Ishtar, Babalon and the Egyptian pantheon. I appreciate the summary
of practices/disciplines given in this thread also. Another line of
enquiry might be Blavatsky on Lucifer. Lots for me to think about. Best
wishes.
Topic Lucifer. posted by ONU (Draconuit. User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 02:22 PM
Greetings; Having cogitated on recent info, I'm looking at this vista.
Gods emanations; The ArchAngels, have independent thought, that they do
love, an Angel knows only of love, though an Angel may be of Martial
nature,He adores The Creator. God's best Angel,
presuming Himself equal, is cast down from The Supernal Heavens.
He must have been a part of sphere 3, The Great Mother, Ishtar-Babalon.
As light bearer, His logical station would be at sphere 6; Tiphareth,
sphere of The Son/sun.
It is written that, as Lucifer did fall, The Beast did rise, It
had 10 heads,( Spheres on the tree of Life?) and 7 crowns,( Planes on
the Tree?) and is also referred to as The Dragon.(technically,
the Dragon with a small voice, or horned Dragon, comes after The Beast,
'finishing off'. Blake's paintings portray The Dragon as destroying The
xstian Church. Re: The Bible/W. Blake.)
If we consider sphere 6 as The True Soul of Man, and 'The Beast' as Man
at full potential, we have Man. Lucifer being another term for
The Christ-self, The Atman, The Holy Guardian Angel or whatever your
belief structure word. That's simply my personal musing on the subject,
one viewpoint, 'a bit of a chat' no more. Best wishes.
Topic Lucifer. posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Hi J.K, The Ritual: 'The marriage of Babalon and Lucifer' has been pulled, tucked away.
The concept I get, that Lucifer,as man, The very best of God's independant creations, relates to the Egyptian " Asar-un-Nefer."
This is is the perfected self, inner self of the higher self, the true
will. Here, the word 'God', is a stain, an imperfection, and
all illusion must cease, including the illusion of God, for there is only ones-self.
To consider evolution ; Lucifer seems intertwined with 'The Beast'
further/later being identified with the accuser of evil souls, Satan, 'though to my mind, they're different entities.
This forum has clarified that Satan is a Holy force of devine justice, and, as I was just reading, Lucifer, the bright morning
star, is a name for Jesus Christ...also 'Baphomet' is said to
be a later development of Lucifer.
I'm currently content, on the Human relationship angle, to consider Lucifer as The perfection of Man. As Babalon is as Woman
fully empowered, the marriage of these, being a certain symetry.
As a young man, I took two Magickal names, The Luciferian name meaning
that human/demon me, controlled and become as of the light.
Taken to the utmost, Asar-un-Nefer, is good enough, though new
information might arise, opening new possibilities. Happy hunting!
Topic Lucifer. posted by ONU (Draconuit.) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 08:36 AM
Hi J.K, not rambling at all!
Yeh, I've read of 'Lucifer =Christ. Remember, of the 13 dead sea scrolls
found, only 5 were used , apparently, ignoring knowledge,E.G. of
re-incarnation. Then the translation from Hebrew
was butchered: You can't blame xstianity on Christ!
The ancient city of Babylon; 2,300-612 b.c. was the centre of a flourishing empire, now in Al Hillah; Iraq.
The most popular Goddess of The Assyro-Babylonian Panthean was Ishtar, patron of the famouse Ishtar gate.
She is the counterpart of the Semitic Goddess Astarte, who is, I believe, a Star Goddess.
The Greeks worshipped Her as Aphrodite, and Hera! Aphrodite being
Astral, the Daughter becoming into actuality, whereas Hera is a 'High
Goddess, spiritual Great Mother, of The Supernal region.
She was worshipped as of fertility, sexuality, but also of war and
death, also she was the guardian of prostitutes,and was worshipped
with sacred prostitution.
Putting this together: If you picture a sphere, the top half could be
seen as Nuit, Infinite Space and the Infinite stars thereof, the bottom
of the sphere can be seen as the manifestation of Nuit, as Babalon, a
concrete form, a Great Goddess, who,having
given birth to All, at Binah, as Great Mother, accepts All,
when the time comes, refusing none. Hence 'the great whore.'
In th 1940's, seven scrolls were found, in Egyptian caves. 'Ishtar' was what we now understand to be Babalon. She dwells
just on the other side of The Abyss, and is actually able to descend
below, to redeem. She speaks in profound, above Abyss ways; " I was
sired by my husband, who is my son." This does make
sense, from Her point of view. This 4,000 yr. old Goddess, has
at last come into Her own, as Woman in Her full, vibrant potential,
A most relevent Goddess of our New age. To recap: Ishtar, is
alive and becoming ever more Glorious, now known as 'BABALON The Great' 'Our Lady' of Thelemism.
Right on target, there, J.K. I wonder how you pieced it together?
There are some High Thelemites, including Lon Milo DuQuette, who lodge
in Arizona. They are mainly of Chesed, The sphere of The Teachers, they
write new Rituals, I'll settle down to research, find the ritual; " The
marriage of Lucifer and Babalon." I'll write
what I find; I guess these guys will have interesting takes on
this. Nice to know you've got your teeth into something juicy, I
need to know more of this! You sure ain't rambling, fellow seeker,
more later.Light, Life, Love and Liberty to All.
Topic Christ as Morning Star posted by JK User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Hi, Just me rambling again:
Whilst checking my concordance for Lucifer/Morning star I also found these
Bible references to Christ as the Morning Star. Jesus=Lucifer ? A question
for Draconuit, what do you think of the Ishtar/Lucifer theory ? Is there
any correspondence to the Thelemic Nuit or Babalon ?
-JK
2Pet.1
[19] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Rev.22
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in
the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright
and morning star.
Topic RE: Lucifer = Ishtar/Goddess ? posted by RP User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 09:38 PM
Yep - just as I thought! The postings on this
Topic are bullshit!! this will piss you but I'm saying nothing! Hehee
Topic Lucifer = Ishtar/Goddess ? posted by JK User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 09:30 PM
Ishtar is a Goddess, not a God, sorry.
and the morning star is Venus, corresponding
to Aphrodite, Sexual love, etc, so the
Goddess come into it too.
JK
Topic Lucifer = Ishtar posted by JK User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 09:20 PM
Hi Plisskin,
My understanding is that Lucifer as a god is actually the
babylonian Ishtar and not connected to 'Satan'. By way
of explanation below:
Contrary to the popular xtian myth of the Devil which is not
scriptural, Judaism has no devil, no embodiment of evil who tempts
us. Satan means adversary/accuser as in Numbers 22:22 where
the LORD himself is represented as an adversary (Satan). Same
as in I Samuel 29:4 and II Samuel 19:23, etc.
The idea of Satan as a kind of prosecuting attorney for God comes
from the book of Job which is allegorical, and the word used is
Ha'Satan, a title which refers to a definite being or person, in
this case the angel God uses/allows to test Job, and who NEVER
'rebels' against God. He just does his job in the scheme of things
like the angel of Death.
The idea that Lucifer is Satan and they are the same or aspects of
the same, and that they are a 'fallen' angel comes mainly from
Isaiah 14:12, where the 'Bright, Shining Star, Son of the Morning..'
has been translated into the Latin 'Lucifer' meaning Shining One.
The verse refers to the Babylonian King by symbolically linking him
to the Babylonian god Ishtar whom the writers/translators of the Bible
do not name so as to avoid giving him any credence. Also this continued
practice in modern Bibles keeps alive the Fallen angel story.
To better understand Lucifer, go to the source who is Ishtar.
Best, JK
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Topic Luciferian. posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Hi Plisskin.
I'm incarnate entirely as Thelemite. The Book of The Law, by A. Crowley
was transmitted to Him as The Prophet of 3 Egyptian Gods.
It is beautiful, and scary. Much of Crowley's writings seem
dark, scary, to (a) scare off the unworthy. (b) Insure noteriety that
His detractors will want His works in print, to show how 'wicked' He
was, and (c) to explore the full potential of The God that is within
Man. The Religion is profoundly esoteric, with 4 levels of meaning
carefully concealed within The Holy Books.
To appreciate them, One should have knowledge of Meditation,
contemplation, one-pointedness, The Qaballa, and The procession of
Egyptian Gods. An A-Z of Magickal practise may be found in: 'Magick' by
A. Crowley. A good book in a decent Magickal library. Some works are
full of 'blinds', to conceal the profound
Holy nature within. The moral stance is that each man/woman
discovers their OWN true will, I.E. The True Inner Soul, or Holy
Guardian Angel, thereby being in communion with Ones Higher, or God
self. At this point of Adepthood, one's vision is clear, and One's true
destiny revealed. Obviously a great deal of work then, and for only a
specific type.Yet here, you find the joyous release of Woman
liberated, the understanding that We are all light bearers, we
just have to remove the veils, and see The beautiful Star that is within
every one of us. Perhaps there is something there for you Plisskin.
That's as far as I can go, dear fellow seeker, for we are entirely
anti-dogmatic; look at the xstians dogmatic system.
I don't blame xstianity on The Master Jesu, yet I see a foulness, which
would not go down too well with any xstian snoops who (Probably are)
reading. Out with The Old Aeon, in with The glorious New Aeon! Let us
discard our shackles, and stand tall, breathing
deep of The sweetly scented starlight, as more and more of us are born, born to one day be of The Gods!
Love, Light, Life and Liberty to All.
Topic RE: Lucifer posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 06:59 AM
Me again - and thanks for the responses so far. Would anyone like to
suggest some sources for me to look into. I am only aware of Lucifer
through reading wikipedia, the Bible and LaVey - I don't recall where I
ipickedup on the "Light Bearer" aspect - it might have been Carl Jung or
a book on the Sufis. When I asked SA they referred to Blavatsky (who
I've never read) and to LHP Practitioners. Any enlightening suggestions
gratefully received.
Topic RP's Universal Truth. posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Please, Dear Brother/Sister, explain your viewpoint.
Apparently, most people are 'way off the mark' indicating your
knowledge of a Universal Truth. If you describe Thelemite/O.T.O.
ceremonies, best to check copyright first.
What is this knowledge We cannot understand? Will you at least
attempt to explain your wisdom?
Or do you conceal your knowledge, dissuading others from learning truth, as do many others I have met.
"Hell always begins with the ego."
Awaiting your kind words of wisdom. Thankyou.
Topic Lucifer. posted by ONU User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 08:09 PM
Hi Pliskin 42.
By chance,(?) I took a similar path, worshiping The Egyptian Sun God;
Ra, I identified with the incarnate light-bearer, Lucifer.
Indoctrinated by xstian schools, I had to actively destroy these
warped ideas, these smokescreened fear-control devices created
by xtianity, taking more years than I care to recall, until I could
stand; a free Man, able to view our world in clarity.
Good for you, Plisskin, I don't preach, only state universal truths,
historic fact, and, in my belief that you should enjoy your unique path,
with aid, not preaching, I'll say no more, as our paths
are close at this juncture, I do not wish to taint your path
with my own conception.
One does confess a certain 'excitement' that you have found this,
and do wish you sincere best wishes in your path.
Love, Light, Life and Liberty to All.
Topic Lucifer. posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 07:44 PM
Dear R.P.
Would you be so kind as to share your viewpoint, in brief, on
Lucifer? I only know of Lucifer and His story in The Bible, what is the diffuculty?
Have you studied/practised The Exquisitely beautiful Ritual of
The Marriage of Lucifer and Babalon?
It does delight, that, after thousands of years of being reviled, kept
in darkness, the now, very pertinant Babalon, and Lucifer
Bearer of Light, are taking their proper place in The Order of things.
Are you talking about the diffuculty deconditioning ones-self from societies norm? Lucifer=Light bearer, a friend to/humanity.
Is this'diffuculty in understanding' similar to misunderstanding The
Lord Shaitan,(Satan) who is a Thelemite Deity, Prosecuter for The Crown,
giver of knowledge to Mankind, etc. ?A Great and Holy God.
Please do explain, as able, I am always willing to learn, yet
only recall incenses, The Glorious Ritual mentioned,as Lucifer, having been of Humanity, ascends again.
Looking forward to your opinions. Lets Evolve!
Topic RE: Lucifer posted by RP User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 06:25 PM
unfortunately this is the most misunderstood aspect of occultism - only
long serious study will result in what you seek. I would guess that most
of the postings will be way off the mark
Topic Lucifer posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 01:44 PM
I'd be interested in hearing from people about Lucifer. I am interested
in developing myself using Lucifer as a focus. From the little I know so
far I am defining Lucifer here as an aspect of myself/archetype who is
the bringer of light - its liberation I'm after - liberation from my
Xist conditioning and for my creative self. I am not into Satanism where
this is the opposite of Christianity, I'm not into cursing or posturing
- this is a genuine desire on my part to tune into a creative potential
in myself. I'd be grateful for any thoughts/comments from those of you
out there.
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Topic RE: magical defence against swin flu posted by kimball User
posted on July 28, 2009 at 11:40 AM
THANKS D
Topic RE: magical defence against swin flu posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 23, 2009 at 09:09 AM
edited on July 23, 2009 at 09:10 AM
Hi all, I am appending some replies Marabas has given to emails on the subject:
Apart from the use of Four Thieves Vinegar
(see here) Marabas advises regular
use as soon as symptoms are felt of Biochemic Ferous Phos.x 6 tablets
which highly oxygenate the blood and disables viruses from forming or
attenuates the severity of any which do get in. Ferous Phos tablets can
be obtained from any good wholefoods store or larger Boots
chemist shops.
The use of
menthol crystals Stockcode H242 (i.e. genuine menthol, not mentholated sweets) during
flights or in areas where there may be swine flu carriers. Just break off
an eighth of an inch from a crystal and keep in the mouth allowing it to permeate your lungs
and throat.
Make a magic soup comprising one Umeboshi Plum + a tspn of grated ginger
+ a tablespoon of soy sauce. Put into one pint of water and bring to a
simmer. Mix in one desertspoonful of arrowroot powder and simmer ntil the liquid thickens.
Strain and drink a cupful three times a day. Umeboshi is a special Japanese relish
which alkalaises the blood combatting the
acidic nature of the blood when illness takes it over. Most whole-food
shops stock Umeboshi plums, Sainsbury's do a pureed form of it.
These are perhaps the best options, though the use of Four Thieves Vinegar on face-masks would be
ideal and give 24 hour protection.
Naturally these are Marabas's personal ideas and you try them at your own risk. If you are
unsure always see a quack for a proper diagnosis.
BB
Denise W.
Topic Swine flu posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on July 20, 2009 at 12:34 AM
I`d like to know aswell, Wasn`t M working on some sort of alternative to Tamiflu when Bird flu was being worried about?
Topic magical defence against swin flu posted by kimball1 User
posted on July 18, 2009 at 11:21 AM
could four thieves viniger all so protect against swine flu.
Any takers on this
Topic
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Topic RE: Magical Oils posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on May 13, 2009 at 02:25 PM
edited on May 14, 2009 at 01:12 PM
Without a doubt High John the Conqueror is the one.I have used it many a
time for fighting off SORN declarations to work disciplinarys,make sure
you have a decent Union Rep as well.Good luck.
[Infoburst: Thanks for that Imperial Wizard, after far too many years
working here than I want to admit I can concur that High John The
Conqueror Oil B300 is probably one of our most effective oils for
anything to do with litigation, legal contest, job problems, tribunals,
and any other legal or official matters of judgement. And it is so easy
to apply it.
More details on B300 can be seen here. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Magical Oils posted by stressednworried User
posted on May 12, 2009 at 06:10 AM
edited on May 12, 2009 at 09:02 AM
I tried before ordering to send a query Email but it came back as undeliverable in my Email box.
I rang but it was an automated line for placing orders. It was the
weekend and I don't know if it usual, or whether in normal hours you can
get through to someone directly.
[Infoburst: Then you must have misaddressed it because all our email
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anxiety to double check everything they do to make sure they do not
assist the negative energies to bring then to an illogical or incorrect
conclusion which is unneccessarily to their detriment. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Magical Oils posted by Marty User
posted on May 11, 2009 at 09:13 AM
Hi, did you not ask for advice prior to ordering your oils? Contact the
SA direct and they will advise what is best for you in your situation.
They can help you better by knowing the full story and don't worry about
them judging you as they don't and are very professional and discreet.
Good luck.
Topic Magical Oils posted by stressednworried User
posted on May 10, 2009 at 03:01 PM
edited on May 12, 2009 at 09:09 AM
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I want things to go in favour and I've been looking for something that I
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something that would help immediately with the siutation.
I have ordered High John the Conqueror Oil, Commanding oil, Double fast luck oil and protection oil.
Has anyone used these oils and had success with them and also does
anyone know of anything else that might help me, and if it is OK to use a
number of oils together for a situation.
Thanks
It is natural for people who are stressed to seek reassurance but at
some point you MUST have faith and rely on it if you want to get the
best results. Questioning everything can become counterproductive,
particularly asking whether magic works or not because it puts one
belief into suspension and that's a sure recipe for failed magic. Marty
(below) is right, if you were unsure you should have got in touch with
me for advice before committing yourself and I would have ensured your
best approach. However you have intuitively chosen High John Oil a
smidgin of which should be put on the back of each document or letter
relating to your hearing. Additionlly one drop in the palm of each hand
prior to attending any hearing. Contact me privately at
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Topic RE: Magic for creative purposes posted by Cherry Ripe User
posted on September 14, 2009 at 05:53 PM
Thanks, Denise, my partner tells me we have both OEXPs and (he thinks)
the oil as well; not sure about the CD. I will look into all of these.
Thanks again,
Cherry
Topic Magic for creative purposes posted by Cherry Ripe User
posted on September 07, 2009 at 10:15 PM
edited on September 08, 2009 at 09:23 AM
Hello
I am currently working on a novel which is going to involve a major
rewrite at some point, and while I have established a relationship with a
relevant god form, I have not taken it very far (yet?)
I wonder if anyone else has done any form of working aimed at helping
them with a creative project: eg, a painting, story, poetry, etc.? If
so, would be interested in hearing more.
Regards,
Cherry
[INFOBURST: Hi Cherry, Yes there's a LOT you can do to improve the
vivacity, verve, depth of understanding and psychology of your
characters. The first thing for those who are not into ceremonial is to
use
Creative Muse Oil B142 which has an excellent track record in producing
that 'rightness' of mind for all forms of artistic creativity. Secondly
you should download Marabas's
OEXP100 Working with Godforms and also
OEXP103 Power and Personality Thru Evocation
which will enable you to 'become' the characters you create and
experience their lives, emotions and thinking. Thirdly you should use
Marabas's
Man Know Thyself Pathworking lesson
on CD which gives you a very powerful exercise in vitalised imagination
which you can use time and time again to set and re-set your plots to
see if and how they work. These exercises and recommendations are ones
Marabas has given VIP actors and authors in the past and they have
worked wonders for them.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic RE: Magick Mirror posted by ethericsoul User
posted on September 06, 2009 at 01:42 PM
edited on September 29, 2009 at 08:52 AM
Also if it is used as Mirror of Hathor and painted black, can it not
then be used with Universal Accumulator Fluid for Protection, etc?
[INFOBURST: The S.A. Magick Mirror can be used for skrying purposes and
also in a separate magical operation as a magical lens to either
transmit or 'capture' negative or/and positive psychic energy. You can't
use both operations (divination and projection) at once but you can
clean the mirror (see instructions that came with it) and 'reprogram'
for either. Full details of how to do this are contained in the
How To Make and Use Magick Mirrors book.
A Black Mirror of Hathoor is simply another method of creating a magic
mirror in which a black gloss reflective surface is painted on instead
of the polished surface which comes with the S.A. Magic Mirror.
Magically there is no difference as when used for projecting energies
the black coating should have acumulator in it anyway. For divination
purposes I prefer the reflective surface as it comes; but some like the
black surface better. If you don't have success with the original
reflective surface then black it and see if it imrpoves your skill.
BB DeniseW]
Topic Magick Mirror posted by ethericsoul User
posted on September 06, 2009 at 12:32 PM
edited on September 08, 2009 at 09:12 AM
I am a bit confused; is the mirror meant to be looked at like say
looking at a football, or should it be the side where it dips in, as in
the Brass Sorcerers' Apprentice Mirror?
I am just getting to grips with this. Also if I brush on Universal
Accumulator Fluid onto the Brass will it spread all over or will it form
into a puddle in one place, so to speak?
Also interesting to hear anyone else's experience with this Magick Mirror...'
[INFOBURST: Because you've paid for the
S.A. Magic Mirror you get technical aftersales advice like this for free
and it is best done by emailing us direct so we can reply more fully
and more confidentially than on the public forum. However,succinctly; as
it says in the instructions you use the concave side of the mirror -
where it dips in - for skrying. The Accumulator coating only has to be
thinly painted on and any excess which pools should be wiped off. You do
not need to apply this coating if you are only going to use the mirror
for divination purposes.
I use a magic mirror frequently and in my opinion they are far more
magically effective both for divination and for 'programing' than a
crystal ball or other speculum.
If newcomers want to know all there is to know about Magic Mirrors then our unique book
How to Make and Use Magic Mirrors gives the secret background and applications and is on special offer at the moment. BB DeniseW]
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Topic RE: Magic Salve for Transformation posted by Paul User
posted on January 05, 2010 at 05:11 PM
Hi Denise
Yes it does sound as though I may be getting the two mixed up (such is
the way when you dont know too much about a subject!). I am more
interested in the shamanic shape shifting side, probably incorporating
hallucinogens (peyote, fly agaric etc). From a northern European
perspective Norse (Berserkers etc) or Celtic specifically.
I thought that the medieval witch trials did have a grain of truth though?
Can you suggest any books that SA might have in stock that might help?
Thanks
Paul
Topic Magic Salve for Transformation posted by Paul User
posted on December 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM
edited on December 18, 2009 at 02:16 PM
Hi All
I am researching shapeshifting. Can anyone help me with the ingredients
required for the magic salve in such rites? Or any books that might be
of use?
Do SA have any info/lessons/books? I am after the ingredients and preparations, rather than just purchasing a ready made salve.
Thanks very much
Cool Yule to one and all!
Paul
[INFOBURST: Hi Paul. By 'Magic Salve' I am supposing you are referring
to traditional Flying Ointments? If so then you've confused things. M
says that most recipes for Flying Ointments were gleaned from
witch-trials and are suspect. Usually containing powerful narcotic drugs
such as Henbane, Aconite, Datura and a carrier ointment of fat (fat
carries the active ingredients into the bloodstream). These plants were
common constituents of natural anaesthetics used to limit pains when
setting bones etc. They were also highly hallucinogenic if taken
internally and aided in both astral visions, clairvoyance,trials of
strength etc.
The problem with them is that the active ingredients are SO toxic and
the raw materials so varied in potency that users can poison themselves.
For example. M says a tenth of a gram of aconite root will kill a rat
dead in ten seconds. A tenth of a gram is a very, very,very small
amount. SO BE SENSIBLE AND DON'T TRY IT!
It would be illegal for any occult shop to sell such a thing and if you
see Magical Salves or Flying Ointments listed it is a good indication
that the purveyors are either Snake Oil salesmen or worse.
Shape shifting on the other hand is a magical method of evoking the
mamilian brain to link with the intelligence of another creature.
Ancient shamans did this before a hunt to anticipate the decisions and
whereabouts of their prey and it is also part of the totem-tribal
system. Marabas has not yet written about this because it is highly
compex and too easily misunderstood by the non-initiated.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic RE: Franz Bardons Practice of Evocation posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Give it a go!. Be that Imerial Wizard!
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic Franz Bardons Practice of Evocation posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Anyone out there actually tried an evocation out of this book and if so what results occured ?
More to the point what about theses pacts you can make with positive and
negative beings is it plausable, surely one of the greatest Occultists
of the last century can't be bullshitting.
I'm still wading through Initiation into Hermetics.
Topic RE: magic posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 05:33 PM
FULL of good advice and NO sense of HUMOUR - reader beware!!!
Topic RE: magic posted by Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 01:52 AM
OK; not sure what bananas have to do with anything, but if that was a
crack, no wonder this person chose to hide their identity.
To be productive (which is why I think this site is here) How do you
know if you can perform magic? You FEEL it. For me, it is like the
swirling of air when the energy is right. Magic is not like twitching
your nose and something happens immediately. There is so much more to it
and you would benefit from live training. Regarding
what makes your magic more powerful and what weakens it, power comes
from you-witchcraft is not like Reiki where the energy comes from
somewhere else and blesses you along the way. So if you are well and
focused, you probably going to have a pretty good outcome. If you are
sickly and scattered, your outcome will probably be disappointing. I do
not know how many types of magic exist, however, I can say it is better
to be true to a few "trades" than to be just a "jack of all".
I believe that all energy and life has a corresponding color AND tone
(sound) so I believe your answer is yes. However, I would find it very
difficult to believe that anyone alive today could authenticate any
knowledge of "the very first magic ever used".
It is my belief that anyone can perform magic-it is like learning a
trade. Some will be more suited to it, learn faster and perhaps have a
better display of ability. But the potential is there for all. I do not
believe that age has anything to do with the awakening of powers.
I hope you find this information productive/helpful and find a good
teacher that blessed you with knowledge. Don't stop asking questions.
-Love and Light, Patti
Topic RE: magic posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 07:55 PM
Thirty Questions ..! I have a question for you! ''bananas''
Topic magic posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 05:02 AM
how can i know if i can do magic?what makes your magic more powerful and
what weakens it?how many types of magic exist?can the very first magic
that was ever used and the magic of demons,fairies and angels used be
put in colors?who can do magic and who doesnt?does magic and spy
abilities always awake when you are 13?
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Topic RE: My Valentine Message for 2008 from United States posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 11, 2008 at 05:05 PM
So Aster51, where's your contact details then?
Topic VALENTINES DAY posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 10, 2008 at 05:51 PM
Currently I am free and single so if there are any magically
emanicipated ladies who do not live to far away to travel to or from
Birmingham who would like a date then I am willing to make myself
available. I am interested in Paganism and Ceremonial Magic and Yoga and
am becomeing increasingly keen on developing myself in these areas
though I am not a Thelemite I have always thought highly of Aleister
Crowley but have always thought it important to find ones own way rather
than be a follower of others. I would appreciate meeting traditional or
modern witches, lady ceremonial magicians, lady Thelemites, Ladies into
Yoga or Tantric techniques or at least ladies who appreciate male
occultists.
Topic My Valentine Message for 2008 from United States posted by Aster51 User
posted on February 07, 2008 at 06:47 AM
I have met very nice blokes from far and away and I wish to visit with
them in the future. Do not laugh, this year is the year. Yes,yes and yes
to your queries because I will be free to date and this heartache is
taking a very long time. I am not patient but I am willing to believe in
love; do you still believe in love? My new heart felt name and initials
AMS.
Topic A forum?? posted by DefyGravity User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 04:04 PM
I only just found out SA had a forum,what a good idea!
Anyway, this make contacts for Spring idea, how does it work? Whats the
best thing to post in this thread? Or is this enough? LOL
Topic RE: MAKE VALENTINE CONTACTS FREE HERE posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 09:38 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:49 AM
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perfume of immortality. As used by High Priests / Kings / Great Men.
Rare and costly ingredients from far-flung places. Rubbed into scalp /
temples / said to drive women wild. Works subconsciously upon females to
attract / compel. Crowley used Ruthvah and based his success with women
on it. Based on natural pheromones giving physical and psychical
attraction. Same Day despatch for delivery by first class post. More
info. or to order on-line go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm.
Or telephone Paula to place your order on 011x x451309 (24 hrs)
SNOW QUEEN PERFUME OIL [Code:P146] £16.97 4.cc mirror phial. The lady's
answer to Ruthvah. A magical oil to entrance the men in your
life.Strange and wonderful feminine scent recalls the Glamour of the
Snow Wastes: the merciless beauty of the Warrior Goddess. An ice-blue
sharp inhalation of sophisticated hypnotic perfume oil. Cool &
Compelling / the Snow Queen englamours all males to her desires and is
so effective that clients regularly order refills once they have tried
it. Go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm
and scroll down to Snow Queen to order.
GIFT IDEA! Send your heart's desire a phial of Snow Queen as a Valentine
pressie - she'll be eternally grateful in ways you can only imagine.
Just goto http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm scroll to
the bottom of the page and hit the buy-now button for Snow Queen. If you
want us to post the Snow Queen direct to her then input the address
where you want the Snow Queen sending in the 'remarks / comments'
section as you fill in your card details .( N.B. If you leave this
section blank we will send it direct to you). Be sure to say if you want
it to go anonymously!
Order line 011x x451309 (24hrs)
Topic MAKE VALENTINE CONTACTS FREE HERE posted by Denise W User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 08:29 AM
Hi everyone! Spring is on it's way, the birds are getting frisky and we
should join in. For the next several weeks we are going to relax the
Forums usual No Contact Adverts rule to allow people of like minds to
place a FREE Valentine or Advert for a Date in this thread and celebrate
the fluxing of the green. There's a Jack for every Jill (or Arthur for
every Martha!) so we hope some life-long partnerships will ensue. Enjoy!
BB Denise.
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Topic RE: Appendix to previous comment posted by Sara User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 04:08 PM
please would an experienced initiate please help "Stargirl"? she has posted her love problem and needs our input
Topic Appendix to previous comment posted by Draconis343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 09:39 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 01:01 PM
Greetings. Denises comments are concise, precise, to my mind/viewpoint.
An adisor reminds me that all levels from beginner onward, will read
these viewpoints. I'll see how the forum evolves, and perhaps contribute
in as prudent a form as possible. Excellent creation, Brother
Marabus!And thanks for 27 years invaluable aid to my path.
The Lamp of Thoth was excellent for it's time , how you've evolved! sincere best wishes; may all attain! AUM HA!
Topic Genuine occultists posted by Draconae343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 02:51 PM
There are a lot of high Adeptii and Masters out there who have no desire
for fame; The opposite, all ego hinderence is destroyed; We collect you
when it is time.
Topic RE: Making Contact with other occultists posted by Denise User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 08:40 AM
I can commiserate with you Feeorin, Marabas teaches that the most
important decisions are not what type of magic to use to get your desire
but whether your desire will really bring you the fulfilment of your
destiny as you expect. He quotes the joke about a bloke helping an old
lady across the road. She turns out to be a witch and gives him a wish
for his troubles. Mext morning bloke wakes up to find a 12" pianist
plonking away at the foot of his bed - the punchline is far too rude to
include here! Of course there has to be an exchange of energies to
acquire knowledge. The idea that you can get it for free means someone
will have their time wasted sooner or later. This goes completely
against false modern ideas of the occult which hold that you must not
charge for occult skills or knowledge. This results in really nice and
responsible people like yourself having their time and knowledge wasted.
Initiates all know the hard fact that unless the newcomer sacrifices
something (money or effort) they will devalue and not maximise the
knowledge or skill. Next time make 'em work for it and give them a copy
of Goethe's Faust to mull over ;-) BB Denise
Topic RE: Making Contact with other occultists posted by Feeorin User
posted on December 12, 2007 at 07:20 PM
Hi there,
Your so right about trying to find genuine occultists, I had a friend
approach me a while back to help her find her footing in the craft, so I
did the best I could to give her a broad specturm of all aspects. Its
fair to note at this point that there was no coven arrangement just one
mate passing info to another mate! she no longer bothers to come down,
in the last few weeks when she did pop over she did everything to avoid
even discussing it!, so I can well believe that genuine covens have
tried and tested methods of finding genuine practioners! I wish them all
the best with it too! I have decided since that i wont be so keen to
help anyone who is interested in the craft, other than to lend them the
odd book and give them links to websites and suppliers! its all very
frustrating!
Sorry if im ranting, but i feel that after struggling to find my own way
its a shame that i wont be so keen to help someone else. Has anyone
else found that this happens alot!
Feeorin xxx
Topic Making Contact with other occultists posted by Denise User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 03:00 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 01:00 PM
Making contact with other occultists these days is often TOO easy but
there are so few groups about with a genuine lineage who are run by true
initiates. In many starter groups the only difference between your
knowledge and that of your 'leader' may be the half a dozen more books
he has read than you have!
A genuine coven will expect certain things from you, particularly an
understanding of the history of the craft (ancient and modern)and may
well give you a bibliography of books you must read before they will
even consider investing time in beginning to train you.
After all, anyone who asks to join a coven who doesn't know about the
history of their chosen belief is obviously unprepared and has little
foresight. If you come across any group who is eager to train you then
my advice would be to become suspicious because they could very well
waste your time. The very first thing you need to do to put you in the
picture I would say, is to read Marabas's Guide to Paganism, Witchcraft
and Shamanism which was specifically written to safely direct people
like yourself towards genuine paganism and witchcraft. You can download
this book in ebook form right now from
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/paguide.htm - it has saved many
people lots of tears and will certainly give you a different perspective
to that you will find in most of the pagan forums.
Once you have been initiated by a group they will have your 'measure' and
changing boats in mid-stream will then be more difficult than
you might at first imagine.
Take care and choose sensibly; the objective is to get close to Gaia for
she is the greatest teacher of all. You can begin this now without
membership of any group or coven and reach far enough into the mysteries
by worshiping alone to begin with. There's no rush until you are
absolutely ready.
BB
Denise W.
Topic Making Contact with Genuine Occultists posted by Eagleclaw User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 02:37 PM
How can I make contact with a coven - I want to learn all about pagan practices and become a witch? BB Eagleclaw
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Topic RE: Male beginner to Witchcraft posted by David User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 11:31 AM
edited on April 29, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Hi Scott,
I have a book I think is pretty good and comprehensive
(anyone agree or differ ?)called Complete book of Witchcraft
by Raymond Buckland which the SA sells. I'm don't see myself
as a 'witch' but wanted a good handle on it and this book had
a lot for the price.
Best rgds,
David.
[Infoburst: David's intuition was bang-on. The Complete Book of
Witchcraft (Buckland) is a trustworthy practical introduction. Buckland
worked with Gerald Gardner 'the father of modern witchcraft' before
emigrating to the U.S. so he knows what's what and the instructions are
very easy to follow. More details of contents and a buy-now button for
instant purchase can be found by going to
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm and scrolling down the A-Z
list to Complete Book of Witchcraft. BB Denise]
Topic RE: Male beginner to Witchcraft posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 26, 2008 at 09:13 PM
Speaking for myself, I would see the Lord and Lady in equal balance
rather than seeking to underscore one over the other. Yin and Yang
light and dark all equal and yet opposing opposites
as above so below
etc...
Topic Male beginner to Witchcraft posted by Scott User
posted on April 24, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Dear Forum readers,
I feel very drawn to Witchcraft/Wicca and would like to
read more on self initiation, getting to experience the
God/Goddess and start a practice of the Craft.
I have seen a lot of books in highstreet stores and read
stuff on the internet, but would like recommendations from
the SA (and other non-fluffy experienced Pagans)on what to
read(and do) first; also, for a man, is the God given a higher
place in his personal work ?
Thanx, Scott
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Topic RE: Marabas Cook Report James Whale Recordings
posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 06:58 PM
Greetings RP
We do of course have master copies of all of Marabas's interviews and
appearances going right back to the start of the S.A. but the pernicious
nature of copyright in the media means that we can only supply copies
of these free of charge and for genuine research. If you have an
application like this then you should contact me separately by email and
explain
in detail so that Marabas can consider it. If any other forum user has
copies they should be aware that the BBC and ITV keep a clutch of
trained legal eagles permanently on staff to
specifically extract punitive costs from anyone who breaches their
copyright (no matter how slightly) and even if a law-suit costs more
than it gains. In my view someone aught to challenge this unfair
monopoly by mirroring interviews across the net but the only times we
have heard of this happening before came to naught because most ISPs
capitulate instantly to any threats from the big media cartels.
I remember seeing the James Whale Show in which Marabas took part along
with guests Lindisfarne. Great viewing. Did you also catch the one a few
weeks later when MP Geoffrey Dickens
(key satan-hunter and ley preacher who helped start the Satanic Ritual
Abuse Myth in the U.K - he was the one who slandered the S.A. in the
house of commons under the guise of parliamentary privilege [know what
parliamentary privilege is? It's when any manipulative prat like Dickens
can lie to the British Nation any time he likes because under
parliamentary privilege you can't sue him! That's democracy for you! ])
appeared on Whaley's show? Marabas actually telephoned in to contradict
Dicken's impropaganda was put through and there was a really hot
head-to-head set-to between them on air which even exceeded Whaley's
niceties. Dickens just didn't know what to do and was made to look like
the bigoted liar he always was.
All the best
Denise W
Topic Marabas Cook Report James Whale Recordings posted by RP User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 06:53 PM
Hi,
I am hoping that someone can help! Many years ago I recorded two
television programs which featured Fr.Marabas.The first was the
scandalous 'Cook Report' and the other was Yorkshire Televion's 'The
James Whale show'.These were treasured until they were accidentally
recorded over by my wife a few years ago.
Are there any old hands out there who could replace these valued
documents whether on VHS or DVD? Obviously I would pay you for your
trouble.
Denise,
Perhaps the S.A could run me a copy? I am also interested in the
'Marabas Tapes' (C90's) that are no longer listed as stock. Can you
help?
Thanks
RP
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Topic Cults That Kill posted by Denise W User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 06:53 PM
Hi Nimmo. You are right. I have had a word with Marabas for you.
He says that the photo on the front of this
tabloidesque pot-boiler audio-book is indeed him. The S.A. has
no connection with the book or any cults defamed in it. He personally
thinks it an atrocious piece of Xist impropaganda and it would be the
last thing he would put his name to but the gods were
having fun, as usual, in that the pic was one taken years before by a
freelance press photographer who had been commissioned by one of the
nationals to produce a pic for them for an article on the S.A. (At that
time Marabas campaigned hard to get the genuine view of the occult
across and often gave interviews - until he realised the dishonourable
nature of the British Press. )
When 'professional' photographers do a shoot they often take dozens
of shots in order to get the 'best'. If the photographer is a STAFF
photographer all the extra 'unused' shots are the property of the newspaper and go into their files - they can be used later.
If the photographer is a free-lance they go into
the photographers own files are or sold to a 'photo-library' and are
then hawked out to anyone for a fee. (you can see this kind of thing
going on if you check out so-called 'free photos' on the net)
What happened with Cults that Kill was simply that years after the
original photo was taken the publishers of this audio-book sought a
'dramatic' occult photo for the cover and bought this one from a
photo-library. I suppose they thought it was posed by a model or was a
pull from some TV or film snippet.
This all happened totally unbeknownst to Marabas who was only alerted to
the fact that it existed when a customer rang up and said he had seen
thousands of them at a give-away price in a supermarket! Ironically the
publishers actually went bust before Marabas could sue them for
misrepresentation!
As you might expect after so much publicity over the years (good and
bad) there is a fine store of appearances by Marabas in print and on the
broadcast media but most of these will never see the light of day
because of the pernicious
copyright restrictions put on interviews by the media. The words of
wisdom spoken by Marabas can never be used, even by himself! However we
do have original copies for posterity of all printed media,
audio-cassettes and videos of all the
interviews he has given for research and corroboration if any serious
application turns up and he has toyed with the idea of simply
re-recording his own interviews using stand-ins for the BBC reporters
etc. The problem is simply one of time - we have so much going on here.
The large pentagram Marabas is shown holding in this picture was a
limited edition plasma-cut from iron which the S.A. was selling at the
time. Nice!
Hope this helps.
BB
Denise Wadsworth
Scribe to Marabas
Topic Marabas, cults book, Cook report posted by Nimmo User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 01:10 AM
Just seen the following item on ebay
(www.ebay.co.uk, Item number: 370008483298)
which looks like Marabas. Am I right ?
It's an audio book called Cults that kill.
Does anyone know where the photo is from,
TV, book, etc ?
Made me think of the several times in the past
S.A has been on the TV, especially the Cook
Report with the hilarious Halloween mask
get away. Is this or other S.A TV appearances
from the past available for viewing/downloading
anywhere ?
Best, Nimmo.
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Topic Marabas on line lessons posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 31, 2008 at 01:15 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I noticed talk of Marabas doing online lessons and was wondering if any
dates had yet been decided and what level the lessns will be aimed at.
[Infoburst: Hi Ricenpeas, It's still a long way away I am afraid -
pressure of work on M and his many other projects means that it is being
worked on piecemeal and will be some months yet. The idea is not so
much to provide lessons (our OEXPS do that right now )
but to create a live 'lecture room' / webcast where he can cover
aspects of the occult at each sitting and then end with a
question-and-answer session which everyone present can take part in.
These lectures will cover initiated aspects and will be aimed at
Neophytes to Advanced levels but be delivered in the usual plain
language way that Marabas has of getting his ideas across so even early
beginners can join in and learn from it all. We will announce the
'lecture room' on this forum as soon as we can.
BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Marriage posted by Alan User
posted on July 06, 2009 at 04:57 AM
I am in the same position as your partner. My girlfriend would
like to get married but I have zero interest in it. I love her
but hate the idea of all the formality. What if you put him in
a position which is not his true will (being married) and he
starts to resent it ? You might lose him altogether.
Topic Marriage posted by Crowella Pescador User
posted on July 05, 2009 at 10:22 PM
edited on September 15, 2009 at 08:27 AM
My partner loves me ,he says he does and shows it. Not an uncommon
problem he won't discuss Marriage or even making a life plan
together.I've tried all practical methods now it time to spell. Just not
sure how I ought to target this any ideas anyone?
Blessings,
Crow
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Zodical Birth-sign oils here because relationship harmony is a two-way
current and you can often reach a better understanding if you take each
person's individual astrological proclivities into account. This guide
shows you how to do that and hopefully your partner will soon realise
that a permanent relationship is in his and your best interests. BB
DeniseW]
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Topic RE: Meditation posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 12, 2009 at 11:10 PM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 01:25 PM
blah blah. M said what ? bs is bs .i didnot start this thread to get
into this crap .a simple (hey cool how are you) whould do .dennise you
liar were is my original message (SECRETS OF MIND CONTROL)censorship (a
partial view) .snake oil and all that shit
it aint that easy for most of us
[Infoburst: I think you've just proved my point about inability to
focus. It is too easy for people who cannot explain themselves to blame
others for not understanding them. Nobody but you can portray your
predicament. An inability to do so is a symptom of lack of focus. This
is the last time I will give you the hint - LOOK WITHIN - that is where
the answers to your difficulties will be found. If you want in-depth
help then goto
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/enquire.htm to see the various
paid services we offer, including a consultation with Marabas. .
Additionally, I would have thought it obvious from the mere fact that I
am replying to your last message instead of deleting it that we do not
censor people's genuine views on this forum. If you have a problem with
anything related to the forum you can always email me at
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
BB
Denise W.
Topic Meditation posted by AnnB User
posted on December 30, 2008 at 05:34 PM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 10:03 AM
To reach the ultimate you must be prepared to give yourself and not
expect miracles I feel Denise is correct in your ingestion of whatever
is clouding your mind If it was easy to achieve that perfect place what
would be the point of it.
It would e just something everyone could achieve by remote control as to
turn on the tv. You appear to be in a maelstrom of problems and
expectations.
Try going for a walk look at the trees. Admire the world and what it can
give you perhaps then you will be on the right path. and stop being
confused and angry.Is the name Lazarus significant to you in anyway Im
not being unpleasant but trying to help I cannotdo any of these walks
but have a magnolia outside my bedroom window which I watch withthe
changes of season and how it loves life
- Ann B
[Infoburst: Well said Ann, Marabas is fond of saying that Magic is an
Art, not a Science, but in today's world when everyone is indoctrinated
by an educational system controlled by the god of science people
naturally tend to focus on the mechanics of magic rather than the
overall view of their place in the scheme of things. Marabas wrote his
latest OEXP074
(MAGICK VERSUS SCIENCE: How The Modern World was 'sold the shimmer' of technology
via the hypocrisy of so-called Scientific Certainty ) specifically to
free people's minds from the thrall of relativist thinking and after
reading it Lazarus would have a better understanding of how magical
experiences affect the whole and why he is not progressing in his
meditation/magical work . BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: meditation posted by lazarus User
posted on December 29, 2008 at 01:40 AM
edited on December 29, 2008 at 06:13 AM
so what do you suggest kimball? please all suggestions welcome.what was
it like,satori i mean? isnt it like the ultimate expirience? and can the
desire to reach it hold you back?
[Infoburst: You are not listening to what people are explaining to you
Lazarus and this suggests you have an inability to focus mentally. I
suspect an imbalance with your blood-brain barrier - probably caused by
diet/ingestion of chemicals - and you should, as I advised at the first,
LOOK WITHIN before jetting off at a tangent on the assumption that your
meditational technique is the problem. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: meditation posted by kimball User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 08:03 PM
I know what your going thouth. I got to satori once. but since then it
has never happen again. i know what the problem is and sorting it out is
going to take time which is annoying.
Topic RE: meditation posted by AnnB User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 09:14 PM
Lazarus Whatever possesses you to feel so bad about yourself people who
wish to gain level in medication that is quietening to you Give yourself
a break. ai am I feel a lot older than you so can find peace easier on a
level.Take Care Blessings AnnB
Topic RE: meditation posted by lazarus User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 06:24 PM
so how doeas this stuff work?why does it work for you and not for me?respect to the people it does work for ,
Topic RE: meditation posted by lazarus User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 06:06 PM
sorry my thank u was to annb, nice to know the world aint populated by arseholes... other than me.
Topic RE: meditation posted by lazarus User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 05:59 PM
so were does the point lye,thank u riceandpeaece for u responce pease
and love and all that shit. dennise why did you edit my original
messaage? no clue nothing bad said please is this a open forum or not.
Topic Meditation posted by AnnB User
posted on December 14, 2008 at 06:06 PM
Hello Lazarus Yes Meditation is hard trying concentrating on your nose
if you lose it, or the um sah is also helpful It is harder for some than
others but patience and discipline will take you to wonderful things.
There are also guided meditation cds you can buy which guide you
soothingly through or join a group the energy produced is very powerful
and helps as other people are always joining so feel the same problem. I
am sending my energies to you hoping to help when I am meditating We
all go through this at all times so just keep believing
Topic Meditation posted by AnnB User
posted on December 14, 2008 at 06:04 PM
Hello Lazarus Yes Meditation is hard trying concentrating on your if you
lose it, or the um sah is also helpful It is harder for some than
others but patience and discipline will take you to wonderful things.
There are also guided meditation cds you can buy which guide you
soothingly through or join a group the energy produced is very powerful
and helps as other people are always joining so feel the same problem. I
am sending my energies to you hoping to help when I am meditating We
all go through this at all times so just keep believing
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Topic meditation posted by lazarus User
posted on December 04, 2008 at 09:41 AM
edited on December 05, 2008 at 12:13 PM
hello all
new to this so be gentle.have been meditating now for about 2 months and
things began well,settled into the meditation quite easily but now
things have gotten harder. i find it difficult to focus on breathing,ego
running amuck,visualization very difficult(always was)and changing my
centre of conscience seems imposible(always did).i know persistance is
the key and will continue but just wondered if anybody had any
advice.also can the desire to reach satori make it harder to reach(if
you know what i mean),and what about the rosecross ritual could that
help.
thanks for reading
lazarus
[Infoburst: Hi Lazarus, The thing to keep in mind is that humans tend to
regularly interfere with the destiny the gods have planned for them in
many and various ways - so if any tested magical method is not working
then one should always look within to see why first. The soul self
cannot develop unless the physical and mental self is rounded out in the
process. If there are some outstanding issues in your psychology,
physical situation, or health, then these things can hold you back but
of course in hindsight can be seen as a natural protection process
because impatient beginners tend to rush in where angels fear to tread
and until they round themselves out will be held back. Thus if your
meditation appears to have stalled come at it again from another angle -
try different methods of trance and visualisation - all these things
exercise mental focus in a different way and could release you from your
'dry' period. Look to your home situation etc. If you are unsure then
you should write to M for more advice. BB
Denise W.
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Topic Skrying. posted by Draco. User
posted on March 30, 2008 at 08:18 AM
Hi, Well, hows about, cast a circle, banishing, protection as is
your way, having placed a triangle of art, outside the circle.
Why not form the triangle of card board, cling film rolls,e.g. whatever, taping silver foil into triangle.
Declare yourself and mastery of the four elements, and Lord of Spirit! (
Make sure you've 'felt tipped' the back,maybe front too,of the
triangle, with the Hexagram.) And summon the desired spirit to
manifestation.(Hexagram, two triangles= God, Mighty symbol
of,pentagram=Spirit of man ascending unto the six.)
Keep your sword, (or dagger.) and wand ready, some buggers try to escape the triangle! Have fun!
Topic RE: mediumship seeing spirit methods posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 26, 2008 at 03:54 PM
just thought I would bump this back up.
Topic mediumship seeing spirit methods posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 11:52 PM
hi
Anyone have any tips on how best to open up to seeing or sensing spirit
more. I know this gift is there for I have seen them, but want to
enhance it more strongly. Are there any occult (simple) rituals to do
this as well as any mediumship routes to do this..
thanks
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Topic CCA REQUEST FIRST posted by David Cameron User
posted on May 15, 2009 at 03:55 PM
On a more materialistic leval debts first need to be proved by the
creditor. Sure this will let you pay them if you wnat to but .... It is
surprising how many people are not aware of this.
When hassled by an aggressive debt coillector first ask them to honour
your CCA request. Without full and properly executed documentation they
'cannot' enforce an alleged debt in court. Many DCAs, WHO ARE VERY THICK
PEOPE, cannot comply and this means NO DEBT!
DONT JUST PAY UP LIKE SCARED LITTLE SHEEP.
COMSUMERS FORUMS KNOW FAR MORE THAN CITIZENS ADVICE B ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
Topic Money Matters posted by Selvyn User
posted on May 08, 2009 at 11:31 AM
edited on May 12, 2009 at 08:58 AM
Hi everyone,
As i am new to the ways of how magic works, i have a bit of a money
problem as in a credit card, i have put a stop to the spending, but it
is taking me some time to pay it off. I have gotten Marabas's
Candle-magic spell book to work the rite for wealth, but it seems to
specify only the object that is needed, would it be possible to visulize
my credit card with the ammount of money been paid of or taken care of
in this rite, so i can stop worrying about this debt.
[Hi Selvyn, This is the kind of enquiry directly relating to technical
questions connected with S.A. goods, which should have simply been
directed to me at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk rather
than the forum, but your answer would have been the same which is that
it is best always to specify your magical operations in order to avoid
ambiguity and lose the focus of your magic. Thus specifying exactly what
you need is a good idea, however if you have difficulty in visualising
something (such as the successful clearance of your credit card bill)
then you should seek for a symbol, or picture or 'feeling' which
encapsulates the result you require. (E.G. visualise opening up a CC
statement with zero balance) Remember that the gods will always know
what is in your heart and mind no matter how inarticulate your magic and
it is not up to you to tell them how to accomplish it] BB Denise W
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Topic ^^ posted by Bagenholt User
posted on December 24, 2009 at 03:34 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Either and or both. I've found it's more about how much you put into the
crafting than the props used. Follow your instincts, create your own
'spell' from scratch. You're more likely to get results that way unless
it's a seriously 'old-school' ritual for prosperity.
[Infoburst: Choose your words carefully Bagenholt for they will always
reveal the limitations of the utterer. Ritual paraphernalia are not
props, they are nemonic aids to focus and compartmentise the mind of the
magician or witch. They are an indespensible aid to the safety of
beginners and neophytes. To suggest that magic is 'all in the mind' and
urge the untutored to make-it-all-up and follow their instincts is
dangerous if their instinct has been suppressed by decades of Xist
mind-control because what they conceive of as their instinct is likely
to be Pavlovian reflex. Your well-meant advice is typical of the
wishy-washy New Age approach to free-style magic based on the idea that
everything goes. That sort of casual intellectual rigor clutters up and
misguides 95 of the internet. It is based on the misguided idea that
magick is like science and is a result of your educational
indoctrination. Marabas teaches that the universe is not a machine and
things don't happen by clockwork. It is all to do with how your soul
enmeshes with the various realities which surround us so you must be
open to ALL. People who do not understand any of this will waste their
time by going it alone but achieve great success if they use a
genuinespell like these ones here, instead.
BB, Denise W.
Topic money spell that works posted by marie User
posted on December 21, 2009 at 10:15 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:26 AM
can anyone help me to find a spell as I am in need of help please due to
me and hubby being out of work due to ill health and accident need one
thats easy to do. can one be done with a mirror or tarot card?
[infoburst: The gods do not give lazy-minded people anything so asking
for an 'easy' spell is tantamount to disaster. Marabas teaches that part
of the process of spellcasting is to transform the operator (i.e. YOU)
as well as the target. If you don't put effort in you won't get success
out. The mere act of making your mind up to actually get to grips with
your own destiny is the first step to genuine magic so avoid like the
plague anyone who offers things that are 'easy'. Look at these
genuine spells.
Look at this
genuine spellbook
. And if you must have an amulet for attracting wealth that requires
very little input from the user then consider the traditional
Chinese Golden Money Magnet which at least
works on positive cosmic principles. BB Denise W.]
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Topic Nasa to Bomb Moon today 9th October??? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on October 09, 2009 at 09:39 AM
edited on October 12, 2009 at 09:35 AM
Hiya
Will this bombing of the Moon effect the Moon's energies upon the earth? I know this may be off
Topic for this site, but we do look to the Moon when it comes to timings
within the Occult. I thought if anyone would know then it would be
those with knowledge different to Science, so to speak.
Thanks
[INFOBURST: You've swallowed the illusion that science is all-powerful.
In comparison with the goddess Nature science is a piddling schoolboy
pissing into the wind. Because the media and government portray science
as the magic wand to solve all of humanities problems everything you
hear or see involves the lauding of science but what you don't see are
the millions of other instances where science fails society. The highly
expensive Tsunami warning system for example which satisfied critics
after science failed to predict the Indonesian Tsunami which killed
hundreds of thousands of people on Boxing Day 2004. The people of the
world put its faith in science a second time and watched another
thousand or so people die in Samosa even with the 'warning' system in
place. Vulcanology has been a 'science' for decades yet the billions of
pounds wasted on it in the hope of predicting eruptions has produced
technology which is only half as good as the early warning given by wild
animals who are more in tune with Nature and which do not form a drain
on resources. The entire fiction of the threat of Global Warming is
simply a gravy train for scientists and the governments who control them
and as Marabas says, is the equivalent of Ancient Priests pawing
through the entrails of chickens. The stupid idea of crashing a rocket
into the moon to create a dust cloud for analysis was a dud and will
remain a historical monument to the idiocy of modern science. It will
have no effect on the moon nor us so don't worry.
Read: OEXP074 MAGICK VERSUS SCIENCE here
BB DeniseW]
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Topic Arrangements? posted by Julian Karswell User
posted on October 18, 2008 at 08:26 AM
If there's someone (or some people) on here you'd like to chat with, why not arrange a time when you can both (all) be there?
Or post some times when you can be there in case someone wants to chat with you?
Topic RE: chatroom posted by Ipse User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 06:46 PM
edited on October 20, 2008 at 01:51 PM
Tried it 4 or 5 times now, but nobody is ever there lol
[infoburst: The idea is to arrange a meet with one or more forum
contributors at a pre-arranged time. Leave a message in this thread
saying that you will be available to chat at such and such a time , say,
every Friday night and then log on and chat. Make sure you give the
subject or thread you want to chat about to interest other forum users.
BB Denise W]
Topic chatroom posted by rabbit User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 05:03 PM
Anyone here
Topic Chatroom. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 03:13 AM
Hi,
What an excellent innovation! Not come across this before.
The potential is vast! I guess, direct discussion will lead to a clearer understanding of viewpoints.
How generous of S.A. to provide this facility.
Thankyou,
Very Best Wishes,
888
Topic New Test Chatroom Now Open posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 02:20 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 02:38 PM
Hi everyone. As promised we have set up the first chatroom which is a
kind of Outer Court discussion area for anyone on-line in real-time.
We'll see how it goes and if you like it there will be other more
specific chatrooms established where you can actually discourse with
Marabas himself. I will be popping in to chat with whoever's on line
from time to time too so See You There!
Enter Outer Court Lobby Chat Room
P.S. If you have any suggestions or wish to report comments or misuse of
this trial chatroom please email me on
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
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Topic RE: NO SUCH THING AS SEX MAGICK posted by Paul User
posted on March 06, 2009 at 07:36 AM
"I find it difficult to believe a lot of nonsense written here about
rituals for sex magick! Tantra is like any other, but much deeper with
added spiritual elements + breathing + a kind of hypnosis.
Whoever is trying to imply danger etc is having a laugh at our expense!"
Any Occultist should/would suggest that you believe only what YOU want
to believe, this is the point of Occultism - it is for the individual to
discover his/her path/system/Wyrd. So rituals that are good for one
person are not good for all.
As a lot of people have been brought up with the Nazarene sickness and
guilt regarding sex and sexuality, it is understandable that there may
be underlying 'issues' in regards to a discussion or view of sex
magick.
To me - and perhaps, from reading your post, also to yourself? - sex
magick is just another system. I hear that it is powerful and the
Society of Dark Lily (who influenced me a lot) said that its main
purpose is that of speed, whereby it can replace long-term meditation or
spiritual retreats by accessing the subconscious in a much shorter
space of time.
But, the point of sex magick is not as an excuse for sex but using sex
as a vehicle for spiritual/psychological change. Obviously then, you
need to be honest enough to know if you are just after some alternative
sex (nothing wrong with that if you are), or if you are genuinely
attempting to use sexual energy for spiritual change.
As for dangers, personally, I believe that the Occult really is
dangerous. Changing your perspective from the microcosmic (human) to the
macrocosmic (galactic) is an intense experience that will never leave
you: "you cannot wedge the door shut once it's open" to paraphrase a UK
Satanist.
Also, one reason that there is a lot of talk about psychological
stability in the Occult is because if a person who is unstable starts
practicing magic and begins to draw forth energy, then this energy may
increase that instability. Do some sleep deprivation exercises to see
how your energy levels change and how this effects your
personality(ies).
Anyway, I think other Occultists will put this in different terminology
acording to their own system and understanding, but the gist is: if you
play with fire be prepared to get your hand burnt.
Anyway, as I come from a Left Hand Path background, I tend to say: it's
your life, just accept responsibility for what you do and don't blame
others if it all goes to shit! :)
Topic NO SUCH THING AS SEX MAGICK posted by mila User
posted on March 05, 2009 at 05:21 PM
I find it difficult to believe a lot of nonsense written here about
rituals for sex magick! Tantra is like any other, but much deeper with
added spiritual elements + breathing + a kind of hypnosis.
Whoever is trying to imply danger etc is having a laugh at our expense!
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Topic RE: Occult Experiences posted by Paul User
posted on September 09, 2008 at 07:40 AM
Hi Mike
I had a very interesting/insightful experience from a Fourth Way
technique known as Self-Remembering. This was about 10 or more years ago
now.
I was at work (in an office) and had been practicing Self-Remembering as
much as possible around this time. Then one morning, spontaneously my
sense of myself suddenly altered dramatically. It felt as though a cloud
that had been covering my Self (Atman/Observer/I AM Experience) had
dropped away, or that I had been lifted up out of this cloud. I
experienced a very spacious feeling of freedom and light. Then, as
quickly as it had arisen, I was back in the cloud of personality and it
was gone.
I have not had another experience akin to this, but have not been
practising Self-Remembering as much as I did then. I tried to relate it
to other teachings and I think the experience was possibly akin to the
Buddhist Rigpa and may also relate to the Christian Mystic Soaring of
the Spirit (I forget who talked of that).
As is often the case in describing these experiences, words will never
ever be able to do it justice and this looks like it may be too late for
your dissertation, but if not, you are welcome to use it, if it is of
any use.
All the best
Paul
Topic Occult Experiences posted by mike User
posted on February 17, 2008 at 03:20 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:18 PM
Hi!
Is anyone out there willing to help with some research I'm doing for my MA dissertation?
I'm particularly interested in hearing from anyone who has been involved
with Theosophy, Fourth Way or Golden Dawn style groups.
What I'm after are short written accounts of spiritual or occult
experiences, and the outcome of the experience, that occultists have
had. I don't want to be too specific as there is a lot of variation in
how people understand the terms 'spiritual' and 'occult'. People
typically write about experiences which could be labelled psychic,
spiritual, religious, supernatural, paranormal, or mystical. Such
experiences may be pleasant or unpleasant and the outcomes good or bad.
The only other information I would need is the experiencer's gender and
whether they were a member or ex-member of the group.
Cheers!
Mike
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Topic Occult Magazines posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 20, 2010 at 03:00 PM
edited on April 01, 2010 at 11:15 AM
Hiya
I know about the Lamp of Thoth but is there another Occult Magazine that
you do? I used to get Prediction Magazine but they have ruined it now,
it used to be brilliant years ago.
Also is there in the future going to be more Lamp of Thoth Magazines?
[INFOBURST: Most occult magazines were fanzine type small press projects
and as you probably know a decade ago the web caused a sea-change in
small-press publishing enabling any group to have an immediate presence
and authors to set up their own independent point of access on the net.
Most printed magazines were loss-making and relied on philanthropist/s
for funds. They usually stopped publishing when the funds ran out. This
isn't a problem on the web. In the early days when we allowed callers at
the shop we used to do 'lucky-dip' bags of approx 30 assorted magazines
at a special discount to further the work of lesser known authors and
editors. At that time there were dozens of regular zines on all aspects
of occultism. Today there are not enough printed mags for us to offer
that service out but if you use your search engine you'll come up with
not only some current 'issues' of magazines but also some back issues. We ourselves have plans for digitising back-copies of The Lamp of Thoth magazine quite soon:
(Watch this page for announcements)
BB DeniseW]
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Topic RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on December 17, 2008 at 02:26 PM
I would have thought so Denise. His premise seems to be that there is no
need for a creative intelligence and this certanly shapes his opinions
and the dressing for his shows. What he claims to be able to do is
replicate paranormal happenings, not prove them wrong, the rest is just
his own personal opinions. If I study painting and replicate the works
of Austin Spare, i wouldnt disprove the existance of the "in-between
world" despite the obvious that I had created the same effects as he on
the canverse. I would only prove that i was as useful as a photocopier.
To me if an opinion does nothing other than reduce things down to brick
and brack then its a bit crap. As Magickians we are artists as well as
scientist and as some famous dude said " The job of the artist is to
deepen the mystery" .
I do like his promotion of hypnosis as a thing we should all try and get
our heads round hence why im giving him such thought. Too many people
think they cannot be controlled yet it happens to them most of their
waking day. The Secrets of Mind Controll and the Master keys to Hypnosis
serves as real eye openers, providing both defence and a cutting edge, a
better buy than a Derren Brown Christamas Box Set.
Im gonna be offline for a couple more months so happy festival to all at the S.A. and all on the forum.
"Its all in your head, you just have no idea how big your haed is!!!!"
Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford
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Topic RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on December 17, 2008 at 02:26 PM
I would have thought so Denise. His premise seems to be that there is no
need for a creative intelligence and this certanly shapes his opinions
and the dressing for his shows. What he claims to be able to do is
replicate paranormal happenings, not prove them wrong, the rest is just
his own personal opinions. If I study painting and replicate the works
of Austin Spare, i wouldnt disprove the existance of the "in-between
world" despite the obvious that I had created the same effects as he on
the canverse. I would only prove that i was as useful as a photocopier.
To me if an opinion does nothing other than reduce things down to brick
and brack then its a bit crap. As Magickians we are artists as well as
scientist and as some famous dude said " The job of the artist is to
deepen the mystery" .
I do like his promotion of hypnosis as a thing we should all try and get
our heads round hence why im giving him such thought. Too many people
think they cannot be controlled yet it happens to them most of their
waking day. The Secrets of Mind Controll and the Master keys to Hypnosis
serves as real eye openers, providing both defence and a cutting edge, a
better buy than a Derren Brown Christamas Box Set.
Im gonna be offline for a couple more months so happy festival to all at the S.A. and all on the forum.
"Its all in your head, you just have no idea how big your haed is!!!!"
Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford
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Topic RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 30, 2008 at 04:22 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Hi Rob. What you say certainly sums up a bigott, though anyone who has
been bullied by religion would recognise his fire. When pushed Derren
will answer that there are alot of freuds or NAN offering there services
and people should be aware of the power of there own beliefs and how
they can be ripped off. For this I applaud him as everyone should get to
know and take responsability for there own minds so they can make the
right choises. Where I think he falls down is he devalues his own
techniques, he devalues belief and boils it all down to meaningless
phsycology. Some of the techniques he uses as a magician are similar to
the techniques that i am learning as a Magickian, though we have
different approaches and different goals and therefor different result.
He could do with opening his own perception but he puts on a great
show.
PS. Ideomotor effect, how else did he think it Worked!
Ricenpeas
" I'd be happy to just encourage a more questioning approach and one of
intelligent open-mindedness: which is where you balance things such as
false memory, suggestion and auto-hypnosis, cold-reading, language
tricks and charlatanism with the evidence in favour of the paranormal,
in order to make a more informed decision about its veracity. Again, I
would like to think that most intelligent spiritualists would agree with
me there too."
Derren Brown interview with badpsychics
[Infoburst: Thanks for the quote Ricenpeas. Interesting that Rob says
Derren Brown admits to having being an evangelist (presumably Christian)
and then tears into spiritualists (who are also Christians) as well as
other psychics. Presumably he is now an atheist then, otherwise his
criticisms of spiritualism would also apply to his own beliefs. BB
Denise W. ]
Topic Derren Brown: enemy of the occult posted by Rob User
posted on October 30, 2008 at 02:28 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Hi Guys,
Intrigued byt the Derren Brown thing I picked up his paperback
'Tricks of the Mind'. He is an ex-Evangelical and cites Dawkins'
'God delusion' as his favourite book of all time maybe to convince
us. He is Very anti-occult/new age. He describes the 'average'
believer in psychic powers as 'fat, forty and failed, with a house
full of cats' and among other things has a section rubbishing
ouija boards as purely ideomotor effect, how to give cold readings
which he says all decent psychics do, the rest are honest but
delusional in his opinion. Perhaps worst of all he joins the call
for a ban on alternative therapies like homeopathy and herbalism
using the usual establishment line about people ignoring 'real'
treatments and the like. I used to like his show but now I think
he's a narrow minded bigot.
- Rob.
[Infoburst: Well that's very interesting Rob - you aught to surf the SAFF site http://www.saff.nfshost.com
as they specialise in puncturing the public images of evangelists posing
as 'good guys'. They have a forum which you can contribute to as well
(see leftmost column halfway down the homepage). Derren Brown often acts
like a replacement for The Amazing Randi, an American prestidigitator
who couldn't make it in general showbiz but who found he could make a
living 'exposing psychic frauds' in the 1980s and 1990s. Marabas met him
when he attended a celebrated TV discussion programme on the occult.
Randi (whose name did not quite travel across the Pond for obvious
reasons ;-)) apparently pulled some wheezy old magic tricks disguised as
the occult but M and his colleagues spotted the plant in the audience
and spoiled his trick and his act. Ha. The fact that some psychic
phenomena can be falsely recreated (don't the media do this all the time
in films etc?) has of course no bearing on genuine psychic experiences.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic Eye of the Bengal Tiger posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 16, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Hi John
I would be in a better position to discuss this now (far from there but on the way).
I think we are chatting about the "evil eye" when we talk about an
apponent transfixing us or projecting fear into us. Peter Carroll gives
the basic technique for developing the fixed stare in Liber Null and
Marabas gives a workable deffinition, which can be applied, in his
Phsycic Defence CD. Holding high my Novice card I can crudely boil it
down to 3 things...
1.. Controll of the body, ie. keeping a steady heart beat in a Bagdad bunker.
2 Controll of the mind, ie. remain focused on intent despite all disturbance.
3 A Knowlage of ourselfs and therefor others.
As they say "alot of fights are won before you step in the ring."
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Derren Brown posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 12:36 PM
I have heard Derren say in a few interviews that he RECREATES occult
experiences, and yep Im facinated. Nowhere does he say that the Occult
is a load of rubbish but he does promote people to "question" what they
believe. People can be very stubborn to what they believe is the Truth,
as Carl Marx said "Man only drowns in water because he believes in
gravity".
Ricenpeas
Topic Derren Brown posted by Watson User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM
edited on October 27, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Derren Brown, who has a host of videos others have posted on youtube
and evryone should check these out, is a total skeptic of the occult
and new age and also has an excellent book Tricks of the Mind.
His performances are pure trickery mixed with NLP and hypnotic
suggestion and an uncanny ability at cold-reading/body language, etc.
His one rule is that he does not use actors/stooges. From his
videos you'll see he is recommended as a top psychic without hesitation by other 'psychics' (search for Derren Brown, Messiah)
as well as converting atheists to Christians, etc. then they
de-convert when he lets them in on the trick...simply amazing.
[Infoburst: Elementary my dear Watson but Derren's antics are pure
showbiz and cloak what is really going on which is that Derren is
creating an arena where the cultural and moral limitations of the people
he is 'hypnotising' are removed. Thus it is not Derren who has the
power but the subjects themselves. All the crap about NLP is just
psychobabble for a state of mutually agreed suggestion. Despite the
common misconception that anyone who is hypnotised gives up their own
will to the hypnotist, all that happens is that existing latent powers
of the individual are given the confidence to emerge BY MUTUAL CONSENT.
In his CD
Master Keys to Hypnosis (click here for more details) Marabas teaches
how this happens and how anyone can do it for themselves without the
risk of being used as a prop for TV gurus.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Occult & Martial arts posted by riceNpeas User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Hi John. Derren Brown is for real. He reproduces things like the "death
touch", "spiritualism", "converting to Christianity" using mondern
techniques like hypnosis, nlp, missdirection and many more. Its very
mechanistic and i just posted it for a bit of craic.
I enjoyed the artical by David Cherubium and i think he stesses the
point of focus and intent which is what you are probably experiencing
when your aponent is giving you the Evil Eye. Alot of magician
(especialy hardworking ones) prescribe physical exercise including
karate as it bring you into an alert and focused state, beta. Its the
same feeling I get with a good Banashing ritual, the senses are aware
and the mind is single pointed. Over exercising brings on heavy gnosis
which when moved by Will is a power source for your sells/sigils
Taoist sorcery does interest me but its hard to get good info. I have
just ordered a couple of Wudang Kung Fu DVDs with subtitles. If I find
anything interesting in them I will post.
Lastly. I find Thelmapedia quite interesting for little snips. There is a nice little artical on Taosim heres the link
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Taoism
Nice One
Rice n Peas
Topic RE: Meditation, Yoga, Physical training. posted by John W User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 02:01 PM
Rob,
Thank you for your recommendations. I have read some books on Chaos magic
but not the Book of Results. Interested to hear your comments on Magick
by Crowley.
I will put both on my 'to get' list. Cheers, John.
Topic RE: Occult & Martial arts posted by John W User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Thanks for that Ricenpeas. That was impressive stuff. But is Derren Brown
for real ? Hard to tell with TV. I've seen his show a few times and it's
really weird how he can pull some of the things off unless there's
collusion and trickery involved. What I have experienced is the ability
of experienced Martial artists to pull their opponent into a rhythm and
sort of hypnotise or mesmerise them during a fight, also to instill fear
almost telepathically to defeat opponents almost effortlessly. I have
been advised to never concentrate on an experienced fighters eyes as this
is usually how they lock onto you, rather to 'distance view' their whole
body, or 'not stopping the mind'.
John.
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Topic RE: Occult & Martial arts posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 05, 2008 at 08:54 PM
I have seen a demonstation by a Che Kung Master (exuse my pronouniation)
which was very powerful and i have also heard a few rummors of German
Occult Martial Art groups around the net but I would like to post this
link for a bit of craic. Its a combo of a little bit of che and a lot of
drama.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2023760018081411341&q=derren+brown+1+inch+punch&ei=nEBISMqaEo-8igKs5MjLDA&hl=en
Enjoy
RcenPeas
Topic Meditation, Yoga, Physical training. posted by Rob User
posted on June 05, 2008 at 02:11 PM
Hi John,
Two books I would recommend:
Zen way to the Martial arts by Taisen Deshimaru which has a lot
on Ki energy and how Zazen balances the whole self. I don't do
MA myself but have all Deshimaru roshi's books. He was a rather
unorthodox Zen master who taught in France and had a very high
rank in Kendo in which the swordsmen try and keep an empty mind,
unconcerned with defence which would hold them back in fear.
With an empty mind they can act freely.
The Book of Results (Chaos magick) by Ray Sherwin: His recommended
system includes regular bouts of physical training, in the opinion
that an unhealthy body is not helpful in magick.
Also see Crowley's section on Yoga in his master-work 'Magick'.
I felt that the sections on Yoga, the world's religions and divination were the best parts of the book.
Regards, Rob.
Topic Occult & Martial arts posted by John W User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Would anyone like to speak on the subject of Occult martial arts ?
I have done a style of Japanese Karate for many years preceeding
my occult interests but only once started to study Zen, then magic
did I begin to see the true purpose of martial arts training (although
for many it is merely for fitness or a sport depending on their art
and largely on their instructor/club)...For the japanese Masters it
has always been Karate-Do (Tao) and things like fighting competition
are a recent post WWII invention many masters detested, though
personally I think fighting with a zen-mind (or trying to: it's hard
to remain calm when trying to avoid a fat lip!) is superb practice.
I have found an article at the link below which although I am not a
Thelemite, I agree with totally, and would like others' opinion of
the article ? It is by David Cherubim:
http://www.totse.com/en/religion/the_occult/163734.html
A question I often have in my own mind is can physical exercise
be bad for you ? Can it make one too full of Yang energy ? When
I train I go very red in the face (not through being unfit) and I
feel 'high' and buzzing for an hour or so after practice but is
this an imbalance ? A contrast would be Tai-Chi where there is
little or no exertion, just soft movement and many Tai Chi
practitioners are also Taoists who would say external/hard
martial arts like Karate are unbalanced. Maybe this is why Karate
has Kata which so many enthusiasts eschew or practice only
for their next grading ? Kata is known as Moving-Zen.
Hope to hear anyone's views,
John W.
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Topic oexp naming rite, true name posted by kimball User
posted on May 15, 2008 at 08:08 PM
edited on May 16, 2008 at 03:19 PM
when using this oexp to devine a persons signil, true name.can that signil then be used on poppet wax doll of that person.
[Infoburst: Yes! It is an ideal subject link. Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Oils for gay men? posted by easyboy82 User
posted on February 05, 2009 at 09:23 AM
Great tip, many thanks!
Topic RE: Oils for gay men? posted by easyboy82 User
posted on February 04, 2009 at 07:30 PM
edited on February 05, 2009 at 08:06 AM
Is Anteros oil a sex or love oil or both?
If it acts mainly as a sex attraction oil just like Rutvah and Snow
Queen act for straight people, then which oils could be used by gay men
for love attraction purpose? I've seen that the description of some
general love oils (love oil, love and sex oil...) often refer to "people
of the other sex" but maybe they could work as well if used by a man
looking for a same sex partner? Many thanks for your advice.
[Infoburst: Well yes they do work for all because love is love, but the
secret tip here would be to mix 50 percent of our regular
Love Attraction Oil B401 with the Anteros Oil to rebalance for gay
purposes. Obviously it would be unviable for us to produce every one of
our 800 different magical oils in special formulae for gay men and women
but you can balance it yourself simply by adding Anteros to any
suitable magical oil in our list on a 50-50 basis. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Oils for gay men? posted by douglas dumpling User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 03:14 AM
edited on August 26, 2008 at 09:02 AM
Hi
I asked the S.A, the same question and was told Anteros oil would be the
best option. Anteros is the brother of Eros and governs alternative
sexuality and unrequited love so will be well suitable for gay men. Hope
this helps you out Scot.
[Infoburst: Douglas Dumpling's advice is bang on Scot. You can order
Anteros Oil B1000 by telephoning Paula on 011x x451309 with your
card details. Alternatively goto
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/paypal.htm for a buy-now button to send the remittance on-line. BB Denise W.]
Topic Oils for gay men? posted by CuriousScot User
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Given that Ruthvah is for straight men, and Snow Queen is for straight women, what oil would be appropriate for gay men?
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Topic RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:45 AM
Most magicians who use hermetic / qabbalistic rites know how essential
it is to construct them accurately and closely to ensure that the energy
is focussed and to avoid input from astral shells and other discarnate
intelligences who try to piggy-back the forces of the rite. When one
opens oneself to the Astral there is just SO much crud out there.
Marabas teaches that free-floating discarnate entities will pander to
the expectancies of the magician in order to trick him into sharing the
power of the ceremony, often by assuming the identity the magician hopes
to contact. It is essential to avoid that by using various techniques
to exclude anything which will waste the magician's time or give him a
poorly focused result. I too am shocked by the idea, current with a lot
of spiritists, that a belief in goodness is all that is necessary when
one opens onself up to 'channel' energies in a seance - that does seem
rather uncontrolled to me in comparison. Having said that thousands of
experienced mediums DO use that system and have done so for hundreds of
years. As long as they can separate the wheat from the chaff in their
results then there is no proscription against it but it can often lead
to self-delusion. Marabas is of the same opinion and that is why he
developed the new S.A. Ouija Board which, although it can be used like a
regular ouija, is also equipped with an invocatory Dial and
instructions showing the user how to specify contacts that will not
mislead. [go http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm for full
details] Denise W.
Topic RE: Ouija boards posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:58 PM
La mayyitan ma qadirun yatabaqqa sarmadi
Fa idha yaji' al-shudhdhadh fa-l-maut qad yantahi. Havent got a clue
what this means either thanks for your guardianship Denise much
appreciated
Topic RE: Ouija boards posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Thats pretty freaky Howard. I just got a leaflet through my door with an equaly strange message
AG ULLMHU I GCOMHAIR MOR-EIGEANDALAI
Topic Ouija boards posted by Howard User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 03:55 AM
edited on May 21, 2008 at 08:44 AM
I could never get the thing to make any sense and don't know anyone who
ever could. The planchette would move, sometimes very fast but the
messages were just gobbledygook. Here's an example:
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
Who knows ?
Howard
[Infoburst: Howard, stop winding up naive users of this forum. For any
who want to take the matter further H P Lovecraft's esoteric writings
will lead them in to the Cthulhu mythos - Denise W.]
Topic Ouija boards posted by JK User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:48 AM
The 'problem' with Ouija boards of course is that they were once
sold as a toy, some people found that the 'toy' actually worked,
it's reputation grew to where it was practically banned (In the UK)
although not illegal, then all sorts of folks usually school kids
or people at parties and the like started to use makeshift ouija's
with tumbler and card-letters. Of course, 99% of these people either
expected or wanted to have the living shit scared out of them and
naturally 'the Devil' obliged, with much exaggerated reports in books,
tabloids, and warnings from the vicar. To my mind intelligent
use of a ouija by sincere people is not dangerous, and the SA does
not sell them to kids, and states a warning to the unsound of mind
not to use, and also tells all purchasers (in the instructions) to
beware and test all messages before believing them.
The hundreds of cheap-shite angel boards and crypt-boards on ebay
are a bigger 'danger' than the genuine occult board sold by the SA.
JK
Topic RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:26 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:54 AM
Justin - Many years ago as a young person I was involved in a circle who
met once a week to participate in the ouija board. I totally understand
and agree with Israel Regardies comments in his Tree of Life book. We
were very naïve at this time, we belonged to no esoteric path and indeed
did not even talk of occultism being in the same vein of what we were
doing. I would imagine in the time of I Regardie the people who worked
the ouija board would not have taken it seriously and indeed as commonly
known were at one time parlour games. Because we took no safety
precautions we experienced very negative experiences. All the circle
divorced and their lives became a mess. My husband and I were the only
ones who came from this experience emotionally unscathed but I have
never forgotten those experiences. Used in a safe way the ouija board is
a tool that can be used with success. Kimball used the Rosy Cross oexp
which is excellent and although I have not used or ordered the SA ouija
board I am sure it would come with instruction for proper use.
[Infoburst: It certainly does come with instructions Mrs J. Often it is
the priceless information by Marabas which makes all the difference to
being able to safely put magical methods into practice and this is very
much the case with our Ouija-Board which we have sold for over three
decades now and during all that time we have only one record of a
problem occuring out of hundreds of thousands of uses. Statistically
that makes Ouija Boards the safest way to travel! You are right of
course the Ouija was sold in toyshops up until quite recently when
fundie pressure and the child-scare industry campaigned to have them
removed. There's a big story beyind this but I haven't space to cover it
here. See some of the details on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm
or goto http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spellins.htm
And scroll down to: Seance Spellkit Instructions: How To Hold A Successful Seance:
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick posted by kimball User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 12:54 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:48 AM
THE THREE BOOKS OF OCCULT WEAR WRITEN WEAR WRITEN IN A TIME WEAR PEOPLE
WEAR STILL EXECUTED FOR WITCHCRAFT. so it is writen in a very lukewarm
manner. but compare with the stuff of to day i can see what you mean.
ive been trying the s.a weeje board withe necronomicon inscense and the
rosy cross oexp after would i have gotten some nice result's.
[Infoburst: Kimball, just to clarify, JK was not speaking about the
Three Books of Occult Philosophy by Cornelius Agrippa de Nettesheim but a
book written as a polemic against Ouija Boards by some American
fundamentalist with a similar name. Agrippa's book is a marvellous
sourcework of occult information and initiated techniques which should
be on every serious occultists bookshelf so treasure your copy and have
faith in it - more details on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm. Glad to have your
feedback on your successes with the S.A. Ouija Board.
Topic RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick posted by Ron User
posted on May 19, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Yeah, Spiritualist mediums at that time were often the equivalent of
2.00 a minute phone-line psychics today.
- Ron.
Topic RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick posted by JK User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 04:26 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:52 AM
Justin,
I don't know about the Regardie book (I've read some of Crowley's
comments on spiritualism and they reflect on the fraudsters of the
time, also mentioning the astral shells and such).
I did waste money on the Cornelius book and it is utter drivel in my
opinion, almost seems ghost-written by some Pentecostal minister in
places (and acually quotes some American satan hunters !)There's only
a few lines actually by Crowley in the whole book so the title is
deceptive too.
I have one of the SA's older Weejee boards so I can't comment on the
spirit-dial but I can tell you there's no harm in trying it as long
as you're not mentally unbalanced to begin with. I think, and I'm sure
Denise can verify, the SA boards have positive/safe symbolism (Kabbalistic
I think ?)
Rgds, JK.
[Infoburst: Thank you JK, yes, our boards are very balanced, unlike some
of the more commercial ones which include graphics of skulls,
tombstones, and Halloween-type images. With those on the board what sort
of contacts do users think they are going to get? No wonder Regardie
was worried! ]
Topic For SA: Ouija boards and Magick posted by Justin User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 12:26 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:44 AM
Hi Denise/SA,
what is Marabas' opinion of the disdain for spirit communication and
gaining of psychic powers and results-magic expressed by Israel Regardie
in his book 'The Tree of Life' ? I have seen that Regardie is praised
and quoted oftentimes by the SA, yet he seems to have had very different
opinions, especially in the said book where he particularly knocks as
dangerous all forms of attempted spiritism/mediumship without the use of
Ceremonial magic. Quote: "The medium, once she has opened the door of
her astral and psychic organization, is unable to control herself. Nor
is she able to exert discrimination as to what shall or shall not enter
by the open door and take possession of her personality". I was tempted
to shelf Regardie's concerns as simply old fashioned but recently the
same kind of thing has been put out in the book "Aleister Crowley and
the Ouija board" by J.Edward Cornelius who says that persons using a
ouija without Ceremonial magick, circle, triangle and all are liable to
become possessed by demons. Regardie and Cornelius both suggest that
'normal'ouija use/spiritism usage is futile as it only attracts astral
corpses who display no intelligence. My own opinion is neutral but I'd
like to know what Marabas/SA think as you supply these boards presumably
most used by non-ritualists(?) and is your Ouija safe because of the
invocator-dial ? are
others without it dangerous ?
Thanks, Justin.
[Infoburst: Greetings Justin. I believe that the critical comments by
Regardie about the 'freestyle' use of Ouija Boards in impromptu seances
was a technical complaint, not a value judgement. See my contribution
below for more details - Denise W.]
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Topic RE: Out of print Crowley posted by Denise W. User
posted on June 30, 2009 at 03:13 PM
Do not worry JohnK this is a cyclic situation due to the production
curve related to demand. During the 1970s Crowley's works were rare due
to lack of demand and copyright problems. His books took off with a
vengeance during the 1990s when the copyright problem was also
ameliorated and the OTO linked up with Weisers and other mainstream
publishers to print and distribute the most popular and in-demand
Crowley works. The market then became saturated and those adherents who
originally bought now seek more arcane writings. In the present economic
climate publishers will wait until sufficient back-orders exist before
scheduling a reprint. The vast amount of investment required to put all
of Crowley's enormous writings into print at one time is beyond even
most specialist publishers. The O.T.O which has done a sterling job so
far is also restrained by market forces but will continue to publish
needed treatises when possible as Robert has indicated. Basically it is
just a matter of being patient. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Out of print Crowley posted by Robert User
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I think it's something that will need patience. The OTO (Caliphate)
is doing a good job of issuing superbly edited, annotated and
corrected editions of Crowley's works (Magick Book 4 is a superb
example) and they now have all copyrights so hopefully books like
Magick without tears, and the Confessions will eventually get reissued.
I think it's an eventuality. Crowley is more popular now than ever
and people no longer believe all the BS about him so there is a demand.
I guess the Thoth deck is reprinting due to popularity ?
Robert.
Topic Out of print Crowley posted by John K User
posted on June 24, 2009 at 01:35 AM
Does anyone know why so many of Aleister Crowley's books
that were available 10 or 15 years ago are now unobtainable
except to pay through the nose for grubby second hand copies ?
Even the Thoth Tarot deck seems unobtainable at present.
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Topic RE: Paganism/Monotheism in magic posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 03:29 PM
Hi William. In magic 'Everything that is possible is permissible' There
is no bar in you experimenting with anything providing it does not harm
another. Dogmatic restrictions are often just that - sacred cows which
should be personally tested and not perpetuated by rote. Having said
that, Marabas teaches that beyond a certain level the initiate will
realise that magic falls into two major schools of thought. Pantheistic
and monotheistic. This divide seems small to the untutored observer
because every pantheon of gods has an ultimate supreme deity so may be
thought monotheistic at its pinnacle yet technically the difference is
SO great that one will, by the very nature of the Seeker, count itself
out for him/her. There is no space to elaborate in detail here but
meditate on the difference between all things being caused by God and
all things being a part of god. The Pantheistic vs Monotheistic divide
is an issue which constantly confuses much of the teaching of ritual
magic today. So! To begin with be eclectic and adopt whatever is
necessary to experiment but keep in mind what the Golden Dawn taught.
'Whether the gods exist or not is an irrelevant argument because the
universe behaves as though they do.' BB Denise W.
Topic Paganism/Monotheism in magic posted by William User
posted on July 06, 2008 at 02:42 PM
Hi All,
Is it possible for a Wiccan to use monotheistic magic eg if one is
dedicated to the Goddess/God and wants to use a talisman from the
Goetia,etc, would this be permissible or could it have an effect of
splitting the personality or diluting ones magic ? Or to put it another
way what would Witches generally think of using Goetic/
Theurgic Talismans. As SA sell these and also write on Paganism what
would your reasoning be here ? Would Marabas teach both are compatible ?
Sanders (and Gardner ?) also used Theurgic ceremonial symbolism/circles
etc. As a former Christian seeking to get all that
stuff behind me I am a bit confused with the God and Angels stuff,
so not the most comfortable with monotheism but classic teachings on
talismans etc, are theurgic. I also find similar difficulties with
Connolly's otherwise superb Tarot handbook for the Apprentice with the
monotheistic prayers she recommends. Something I need to get my head
round, but am getting nowhere with it myself.
Any help appreciated, Thanks, William.
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Topic Paul McKenna-Paranormal world posted by Alex User
posted on December 19, 2009 at 01:05 AM
edited on December 21, 2009 at 09:14 AM
Dear S.A,
I bought a second hand copy of a book called 'The paranormal world of
Paul McKenna' last week from a charity shop. It relates happenings he
investigated for a TV series of the same name in
the early 90's. I was interested to see that at the end there is an advertisement and contacts section including the Sorcerer's
Apprentice address and phone number. Can S.A say if they were ever in
contact with Paul McKenna re hypnosis or the paranormal ? Alex.
[INFOBURST:
Greetings Alex. Compliments of the Solstice to you. Yes we did. There's
hardly a famous psychic or celebrity whom he hasn't influenced in some
way. Marabas's unstinting and largely unheralded work with the media is a
constant and continuing part of his attempt to break down the age-old
stereotypes which the Xists use to discredit the Mysteries and frighten
ordinary folk off developing their innate powers of perception and
freedom of thought. His detractors and those gutter-media people he has
refused always try to suggest he is a publicity monger but Marabas often
spends a great deal of time behind the scenes educating and informing
genuine journalists and researchers and has had a tremendous effect on
the scope and direction of the media approach to occultism over the past
thirty years. That's why the fundies made him their number one enemy
all those years ago! They don't mind the people who are in it for the
money. They are frightened witless of one who has truly serious intent.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic planchettes auto writing posted by marie User
posted on December 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I have the
brass planchette I bought it year before last from sorcerers apprentice
but all I get when i use it is childs squidles and nothing of any truth
where am I going wrong.
[Infoburst: This could take far more space than I am allowed here
because you appear untutored and insensitive to psychic things and are
missing the point. The squiggles may indeed be from a child! They may
equally be the precursor to proper contact as the strength of the
energies between you and the spirit build up. Experienced Mediums have
the Knacks required to tune in and use an Autowriter. If you are a raw
beginner then you would be better off using our Ouija Board to start
with.
It includes a unique Invocator Dial which teaches you how to 'tune-in'
spirits and energies - see here - safely. It is all a matter of
knowledge and experience. Did you repeat your contact experiments at the
same time on the same day and take account of the
phases of the moon or did you just randomly sit down anytime? All these things and more can improve your response. BB Denise W]
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Topic planchettes auto writing posted by marie User
posted on December 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I have the
brass planchette I bought it year before last from sorcerers apprentice
but all I get when i use it is childs squidles and nothing of any truth
where am I going wrong.
[Infoburst: This could take far more space than I am allowed here
because you appear untutored and insensitive to psychic things and are
missing the point. The squiggles may indeed be from a child! They may
equally be the precursor to proper contact as the strength of the
energies between you and the spirit build up. Experienced Mediums have
the Knacks required to tune in and use an Autowriter. If you are a raw
beginner then you would be better off using our Ouija Board to start
with.
It includes a unique Invocator Dial which teaches you how to 'tune-in'
spirits and energies - see here - safely. It is all a matter of
knowledge and experience. Did you repeat your contact experiments at the
same time on the same day and take account of the
phases of the moon or did you just randomly sit down anytime? All these things and more can improve your response. BB Denise W]
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Topic RE: codex posted by Mrs J User
posted on March 31, 2009 at 09:19 AM
edited on March 31, 2009 at 09:47 AM
Yes - you are totally right Denise, however, 15 years ago only
alternative thinking people used natural remedies. They were of no
consequence to the moneymakers. Now it is mainstream the self interest
of the moneymakers is being compromised by people taking responsibility
for themselves. I hope it is not too late to make them feel
uncomfortable about their misdeeds. I hope by people in the now
expressing their thoughts on this it may make it more difficult for
their agenda. Most people out there as we all know on this forum exist
mainly in the material and this physical action is where most people
will have common ground and feel it is their only way of expressing
their concern. The physical after all is where the agenda exercise most
of their control over our mass. Why because we are where they put us -
either dumbed down with addidiitves, drugs, conformity or delusion.
Marabas has always been a knight before his time - trying to wake people
from their slumber - I can only but imagine the frustration he has
encountered
Blessed be
[Infoburst: I agree with you Mrs J, but this is not just about money, it
is also about the Power Shadow of the Medical Monopoly which underpins
the Establishment. Those who still think of doctors as caring healers
should read Martin Fido's shocking book The World's Worst Medical
Mistakes. About 10,000 people die unnecessarily in hospitals every year
in the U.K. from mis-dosage alone. The constant bleatings from medical
professionals about the damage that alternative healing might do should
be weighed against the proven death-count from the NHS which is quickly
glossed over in favour of feigned outrage about a one-in-a-million
reaction to unlikely overdoses of Vitamins! BB Denise W.
Topic codex posted by kimball User
posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM
all so hears the address for ther flyer to hand out
http://www.acumedic.com/codex.pdf
Topic RE: codex alimentarius posted by Mrs J User
posted on March 26, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Thanks Kimball - done that
Topic codex alimentarius posted by kimball User
posted on March 25, 2009 at 11:21 AM
all so type in codex alimentarius into search engine
Topic please sign this petition against CODEX posted by kimball User
posted on March 24, 2009 at 03:08 PM
edited on March 26, 2009 at 11:14 AM
sign this petition to stop big business from stealing natural remidies from you.
check out theys link's
www.anhcampain.org/campains/codex
www.consumersforhealthchoice.com
www.herballure.com/special/webecomesilent/quicktime.html
go hear to sign petition http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/vitamins/
thank you for more info go to www.acumedic.com/codex.pdf
[Infoburst: You are probably not aware that Marabas warned the
alternative healing and therapy industries FIFTEEN YEARS AGO ago that a
campaign was in progress by the medical establishment to restrict and
eventually ban most forms of Alternative Healing including self-help
through dietary supplements. At that time he published and distributed
the facts to everyone concerned in the New Age including therapists but
because most of this latter lobby are in the thrall of the medical
monopoly and consider themselves part of it they repudiated Marabas's
warnings and went back to sleep, thereby allowing the BMA to set itself
up influencing European legislation that has now resulted in these
pernicious new laws. Now that it is FAR TOO LATE those very same
therapists etc. are clamouring for YOUR help to stop a fait acomplis.
The petition will achieve little - but sign it if it makes you feel
better. Other warnings Marabas gave out years ago are also coming true
to general detriment. What a pity people don't listen to what he says
when he says it and by default allow the Xists to ride rough-shod over
their rights! You can see some of this here: http://saff.nfshost.com/healing.htm BB Denise W.]
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Topic RE: PeeCee posted by personal_emails2ATyahoo.co.uk User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 11:35 PM
Hi,
Thanks! I don't see all change as evolution!! Some of it is, but just
like crazy evalgelicals who would 'change' you into going back to
church, not all change is evolution. Abandoning positive change is a
move away from evolution,and a step back into devolution! Amazing how
the independence movement in Scotland and Wales for instance is referred
to as devolution, but correctly it describes an the implied return to a
condition prior to the evolution of what is the United Kingdom. Any
backward move can be looked upon as evolution, and I suppose sometimes
it is necessary and sometimes not. Even with a few steps back, a
reversing to a different portion of the road,where one could turn left
or right,at some point one has to move forward again,and move with the
evolutionary flow.
A lot of the problem, is of course - with things like pc - it is others (
unseen and unknown!!) who are directing what we should ALL believe and
ALL think irrespective of individuality and different points of view -
There is no debate and no choice, just INSTRUCTION!! Try moving against
any of that instruction = no job,no friends,ludicrous accusations and
visits from the police. Not that such things have happened to me,because
I just rant an rave at home, and my wife and I get well angry about it
all. Sometimes we're almost jumping up and down in our anger as a sort
of release, because we both have jobs where we have to watch every
tiny,weenie peenie little p and q, all of the time - but a lot of the
time, we just laugh and have couple of bottles of wine. Plenty more like
us I should imagine - I know there are!!
Bring back the world of sane ordinary folk ( Devolution) and give us
comedy like Steptoe and Son. Get rid of pc and the mind controllers and
put the cctv in the bin (Devolution) and then let us be free
(Evolution). result = a better world with no nannies and far less
war,class hatred or corruption.
That's my gripe for the night.
bye!!
Topic RE: PeeCee posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 02:16 PM
Is see where you are going R.P. And in the given circumstances I would
agree. But lets not let politeness get in the way of a good debate.
Its hard to say when politness ends and pc begins. I get the impression
that you are creating as many labels as you are trying to avoid. If i
sit on a table does it then become a chair? All labels serve as refrence
points for the mind. Robert Anton Wilson says "the map is not the
territory" PC and politeness generate the same experience and I think
Dennise addition of verbal RESTRAINT put the cherry on the cake. Has the
world gone mad or is it just evolving. Reading the Book of Law I see
the sense in what is happening around me. Evolution can be a Bitch
Smile and Wink
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: PeeCee posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 02:16 PM
Is see where you are going R.P. And in the given circumstances I would
agree. But lets not let politeness get in the way of a good debate.
Its hard to say when politness ends and pc begins. I get the impression
that you are creating as many labels as you are trying to avoid. If i
sit on a table does it then become a chair? All labels serve as refrence
points for the mind. Robert Anton Wilson says "the map is not the
territory" PC and politeness generate the same experience and I think
Dennise addition of verbal RESTRAINT put the cherry on the cake. Has the
world gone mad or is it just evolving. Reading the Book of Law I see
the sense in what is happening around me. Evolution can be a Bitch
Smile and Wink
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: PeeCee posted by RP User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 01:58 AM
The world is going mad. In fact, it has been going there for a long
time! My point, is that pc is exaccerbating the problem. Far from
creating peace and harmony, it is contributing to antagonism and war.
Marabas is right in referring to politeness as a 'syndrome', but at
least politeness is tollerable. PC is simply bananas - and everyone
seems to think so - generally speaking,and in my experience.
Honesty! One of the keys to enlightenment is honesty. how could anyone
know truth or be enlightened if all they ever did was BS themselves and
each other with PC BS? That is the point!!
Topic RE: THE with being myselves. posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Gentlemen - standards are good - politeness just opens up the world of psychology
Topic RE: THE with being myselves. posted by RP User
posted on May 23, 2010 at 02:23 AM
edited on May 23, 2010 at 07:35 AM
Yes, on that I think that I will give another reply in another two and a half years!
[infoburst: Please don't keep us waiting that long RP! Did you know that
there used to be a charity for Politeness but it had to be disbanded
through lack of support? True. I think that what you and Ricenpeas are
debating is really Verbal Restraint and mixing it up with the currently
fashionable Political Correctness (a modified form of VR) might cloud
the issue. Everything we do and say is conditioned and implanted before
we are old enough to even perceive ourselves as separate beings
therefore Marabas teaches that it is essential that we break those bonds
of conventionality to liberate our true intellectual pespective. There
are many ways of doing this. Anathema is one (greatly favoured by LHP
adherents) but most occult methods require it and have techniques to
achieve it through self observation. Socrates said Man Know Thyself -
because it is the key to all esoteric successes. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: THE PHENOMENOLOGY OF POLITENESS...the
trouble with being myselves. posted by Ricenpeas
User
posted on May 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM
Politeness has evolved as has Pc. Niether are new, and both develop new
forms. Both are used to keep us in a managble little box, and both stump
our evolution of the indervidual. I am not suggesting the reader
abandons either, i am suggesting we free ourselves and move beyond them.
Understand there effect and use them as we desire. How do you suggest
the reader tackles PC coz there is only so far ranting can take you:)
PS Strawberries can be green and a man with one leg isnt disabled if hes stationary.
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: THE PHENOMENOLOGY OF POLITENESS...the
trouble with being myselves. posted by RP User
posted on May 21, 2010 at 04:15 PM
Nice to see that this debate has started up again after placing my comment some two and a half years ago!! Nice.
I still maintain that PC is a very negative set of 'invisible'
instructions ( From what source does this crap emanate from anyway?)
that nobody ever voted for!! It is my belief that political correctness
has nothing to do with politeness - as described by the previous person
who left a message - but that it is in fact simply something to control
us all yet further, an attempt at social engineering through distorting
innate perception and innate fact! Politeness was around long before the
thought police started messing around with your vocabulary and the
cognitive processes!! They tried a similar thing in the Soviet Union,
but in the end everybody knew that strawberries really are red and that a
person with one leg is disabled!! None of such natural distinctions are
prejudiced as the PC pundits claim - they are just truths which the PC
policy people don't like. No doubt because in their distorted minds they
need to believe in falsehood and lies! Hmm! There's my halfpenny for
you!
Ooops! By saying 'halfpenny' I have probably transgressed the PC rule
again!( Oh dear!).Such a statement could imply that a half penny is
something less than a full penny and that consequently it could be worth
less on the open market! It also implies that a halfpenny is only half
as good as a full penny and so there is a need for a PC re-evaluation of
the term 'halfpenny'to irradicate injustice and prejudice. I'm not sure
what the PC nerds would come up with, but how about 'differently
perceived penny, or perhaps the 'similar penny'? I leave it to the forum
to decide ;-)) Ciao
From a libertarian . I'm not a fascist just because I despise politically correct BS
Topic THE PHENOMENOLOGY OF POLITENESS...the trouble
with being myselves. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on May 15, 2010 at 04:08 PM
What is politeness? some may say that it is the opposite of rudeness,
that politeness is showing courtesy to others, so we all feel
comfortable. A lovely idea that greases the cogs of society, and allows
us all to get along. Or is it? Is it just a way of keeping us all in our
box? Is it actually the ultimate killjoy? How does politeness effect
the Individual and the Xist super Spirit we call Society. Well, lets
see.
Let us experiment with politeness and see what answers we yield. Try
eliminating the words Thankyou from your vocabulary for a few days. You
might find that you will wont to compensate by replacing thankyou with
cheers or a nod with the head. Try and stop any expression of thanks.
You may feel in your gut an awful feeling. Great, coz thats what we
want. Often we say thankyou for the sake of it. This is habit not
expression.
Now try something "abnormal" like singing a Wham song at the top of your
voice on a busy street, or periodically shouting your name and birth
sign whilst doing your weekly shop. Theres that feeling again, pulling
us back to politeness.
"Wow ricenpeas, where are you going with this crazy experiment" you may ask.
Well my dear reader here is the point. OUR POLITENESS STUMPS OUR CREATIVITY.
Examin the feeling, coz im sure its not new to us. How many things have
you wanted to do but didnt coz of this feeling? How much living has been
lost through other peoples ignorance? Personally i can say lots. I have
said before that the word personality means to display a set of
characteristics and depending on my mood and environment depends on
which pesonality eye am in. It is very easy to see in children, they can
do imaginative, loving, hateful, generous, or fearful, all in the space
of a couple of hours. There creativity expressed in so many ways. On
the whole, us Adults prefer to show just 1 personality and the world
goes mad if we act out of character. Surely in this Aeon of
Individualism we should seek out this feeling and transcend it. Do What
Thou Will Be The Whole Of The Law not Do What Thou Will as long as it
does not challenge anyone elses comfort zones.
All the best
Ricenpeas
Ricenpes
Topic RE: Political correctness, posted by Karen User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 01:12 AM
Progressive folks here in the U.S. like to call that particular network "Faux News", for self-evident reasons (LOL)...
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Topic RE: Political correctness, posted by feeorin User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 07:39 PM
hi there,
all caught up now, and can see ur point x
Topic RE: Political correctness, posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 10:26 AM
Hi Feeorin
Sorry mate, I'm in the UK as well. It is just that Fox News have a
reputation for being, well, how can I say this without getting sued? I
know - they have a reputation for being inaccurate and biased.
So I was simply suggesting that people take the link to their news site with a small salt mine.
Topic RE: Political correctness, posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 07:10 PM
Thanks Feorin. I like your postings as well.
Topic RE: Political correctness, posted by feeorin User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 08:11 PM
well said!
Topic RE: Political correctness, posted by RP User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 07:35 PM
Political correctness is the curse of our time! Speech police and
thought police go hand in hand, and though I wish to offend nobody, I
dislike the fear and paranoia of having to watch every p and every q (
and that does not include the other 24 letters in the alphabet!).
Basically, it seems to me, that generally, humans are very ( and I do
mean VERY) small minded and altogether far too easily offended! People
should try growing up with a funny name, as I had to do, if they want to
have a true perspective - rather than just an ignorant general opinion -
of what to say and what not to say and in fact if this offends or does
not offend.
When you think about it, being forced into silence is extremely
oppressive! In many people this causes enormous inner turmoil and
repression. Such a situation is far more likely, not less, to result in
the extremes of behaviour that we all fear most of all ie violence,
racism and other related crimes etc.
It is a shame that people cannot - legally - let off steam! That way, we
can learn to laugh at a lot of the problems in life instead of being
eaten up by them 'all' of the time! The stress levels of our PC society
are really intolerable, and although I do not believe we can speak
'exactly' how we would wish in this forum, I think that a 'spirit' of no
PC is at least something, and it is so refreshing!
The worst PC scenario would be in the occult itself! The legacy of
secrecy - still very much to the fore these days - combined with an
inability or a fear of saying exactly what you mean would render the
whole process of magickal and spiritual development incomprehensible -
if not impossible to achieve.
Long live the S.A and thanks for giving me the power to be a free spirit
and a free thinker. I just need to find a free pub and I will be all
the way there! Cheers!
Topic RE: Political correctness, posted by feeorin User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 04:07 PM
duh me, i just caught up! im climbing back into my cave and ive gone back to sleep.... sorry :s
Topic RE: Political correctness, posted by feeorin User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 04:05 PM
hi puretongue,
im really confused as to what u mean! if its anything im from the uk and
i dont get fox news!!! i have no idea what ur on about (please excuse
me if im being a bit thick!)
Topic RE: Political correctness, posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Sorry, someone citing Fox News? Should I read that with "Once upon a time.." preceding it?
Topic RE: Political correctness, posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 04:26 PM
I agree. I do not believe in playing the victim role.
I think the ideal maxim is to live by example. However, on occasions, it
is kind of nice when situations arise whereby we can do something that
sideswipes mass populace presumptions about our ilk.
This week, the High Priest of The Church Of Satan received an email that required action.
It has made national news in the U.S.A
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316967,00.html
Topic Political correctness, posted by feeorin User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 01:20 PM
hi there,
Is it me or is there a re-occuring theme throughout this forum of
political correctness, not by the ppl taking part, but how disgruntalled
we all are about the way most of us are treated by other more covential
faiths! Im not saying for one minute that we should all come out of the
shadows and shout to the world... hell no! It fine for the ppl to
accept convential beliefs, in fact even if we dont we still have to shut
up and accept it anyway. Without reciving half of the same curtosy. I
dont want to build churches, be on tv, show ppl how its done.. none of
that interests me! but it seems to me that in a world of 'political
correctness' the older beliefs are ignored. I live in a small town and
the only acceptable reason for withdrawing your child from saying
prayers is that your one of the worlds acceptable religions! i gave no
reason for my child not doing prayers other than its my choice as his
mother! ive been following this path since i was 16, been rejected by my
family for it! even had them calls social services in order to protect
my child from such 'things'. yet they wouldnt even concider ringing them
on someone who has muslim, jehover, buddist beliefs! In school my son
is taught that at halloween we draw pictures witches flying etc.... but
not taught how this tradtion came about, when i teach him about all
hallows eve i have to dress it up so when he repeats to his teacher what
i have said it avoids the whispers behind myself and my childs back....
its all crap if u ask me!!! I aware im ranting but its hard to say what
u really want to say without sounding 'politically incorrect!!'
feeorin xxx
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Topic RE: World in peril? posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 02:33 AM
A non government researcher stated that Earths population expansion is
potentially enormouse, providing that our workplaces, homes, are built
upwards! Thus leaving enough space for food production. Interesting
concept.
Topic RE: World in peril? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 11:23 AM
who says the world is overpopulated; the government??? I think it is all
about control, they do not say that people are dying, but you say they
die as in world catastrophies to make or try and make space, does the
world really work like this.
I know there is always a balance and it would work in that manner, but I
do feel government have not one idea about the way occultists see
things, they always come at it with how it can benefit them. There have
always been earthquakes it is nothing new, yet the media in this day and
age have the means to force feed every little bit of bad things
happening in the world down your throat. So that is coming at this from
control way, but if you are trying to say the world is fighting back,
yes I do believe we are connected to the world by energy matrix
patterns, astral flux and tides, etc...the wise occultists has to work
their destiny through the concrete jungle of the so called rat race
today, so it is good you are looking at things from this level.
I would like to know what others also think about this
Topic, is the world really fighting back are we and the world in peril.
Topic World in peril? posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 04:05 PM
The astonishing arrogance of the scientific community, and their
statements, are absurd. Science cannot analyse other beings/entities;
therefore they do not exist. Other dimensions, or planes of existance
cannot be measured; i.e; do not exist.
However, for quantum physics to work mathematically, 21, (I think) extra dimensions must be 'invented', for the math to work.
We live in approx 7% of known space, the rest is invisible to us, and labelled ; dark matter. Other dimensions?
"If the world dies, so do we." What? If we destroy ourselves, the
Glorious Planetary Spirit, Gaia, who we live on, will simply shake off
the debris, and continue evolution in another manner.
Why say; 'End of the world' when you mean,end of Humanity?
The Chinese system, as discussed, would seem to be the only viable
alternative; that said, many believe that if the cause be nuclear
weapons, bio-chemical warfare, the greenhouse effect, unless
you havn't been paying attention, a catastrophe is expected, which will
hurl us into a new dark age, as happened at the last Aeon change. I
doubt that over population will be of much concern.However this race
evolves, to be part of it is a wondrous adventure!
Topic RE: Population crisis posted by Alexander User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Sounds a bit like Communist China, that one-child thing. You'd have
to overturn the UN declaration of human rights. What about giving schoolgirls
contraceptive implants so that only responsible adults can reproduce, and
give higher benefits to those who are productive, limiting benefits to food
stamps only for professional dole queue breeders ? No incentive would exist
then to just sit back, sponge and breed-for-benefits.
Alexander
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Their should be a policy of one child per person, if people are allowed
to continue to have children at an uncontrolled rate, we will see more
demise of the world and other species will become extinct, as we breed
like parasites sucking the life out of its host.
If the world dies so do we.
Topic Population crisis posted by Herne User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 08:21 PM
We have reached our limits on population, by 2030 the population will be estimated 9 billion.
We are already seeing the affects now, with a shortage food and fuel and
land for housing, people were not ment to live so cramed together, even
raw materials are running out, some scientists have already said that
the Western world will see its first famine this century.
If the population is not controlled, we will see more violence drug use
as people try to escape the slums which they will be forced to live in,
whether they are rich or poor.
It is utter madness why the government wants us to live longer healthier lives, when they allow so many children to be born.
Their should be a policy of one child per person, if people are allowed
to continue to have children at an uncontrolled rate, we will see more
demise of the world and other species will become extinct, as we breed
like parasites sucking the life out of its host.
If the world dies so do we.
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Topic RE: Pregnancy posted by Willowtree User
posted on May 04, 2010 at 04:19 PM
I also found during my pregnancy (many moons ago) that mint herbal tea was very good for morning and evening sickness.
Many congratulations on your pregnancy, by the way :-)
Topic RE: Pregnancy posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 04, 2010 at 10:07 AM
edited on May 05, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Hi there Newstar, when my pregnancy was 10 days late and I was due to be
induced, I was lucky enough to have a private midwife who was an old
soul. Rather than be induced she gave me to a primrose oil pessary and
said the baby will be born forthwith. She did also say she would deny
giving it to me. I took the pessary and sure enough within 8 hours the
baby was born and the birth was a good birth.
During my term I drank ginger tea when I felt queasy. Good luck Newstar.
[INFOBURST: Very interesting Mrs J. I am presupposing you mean Evening
primrose oil (Oenothera biennis) as True Primrose (Primula Vulgaris) is
difficult to obtain in oil form (though a macerated oil can of course be
made from the fresh flowers). Both plants have similar properties as do
Cowslips and other wild Primulas.
BB DeniseW]
Topic Pregnancy posted by newstar User
posted on May 02, 2010 at 11:46 AM
edited on May 04, 2010 at 08:35 AM
what herbs are traditionally used to help in pregnancy? Is there anything that should be avoided?
[INFOBURST: Because of the Nanny state we are not allowed to give
medical advice and can only point you towards ancient traditional lore
and folk traditions. Anything you read in this reply and any replies
other clients may post here MUST be checked with your doctor before use
because everything depends upon your aggregated health position and any
family complications etc.,
Bearing this in mind Marabas says that some herbs have a powerful
abortifacient effect and MUST NOT be taken during pregnancy. Rue is
perhaps the most well known but there are others and so self-medication
with herbs during pregnancy is something to be VERY careful with.
The traditional herb taken by women to regulate hormonal levels during
pregnancy (it is the imbalance of hormones which can, for instance,
cause morning sickness) is Ladies' Mantle (Alchemilla vulgaris). It is a
plant which cunning women of old used to swear by for all 'women's
complaints' and discomforts. Another very useful herb is Raspberry Leaf
(Rubus idaeus )which has a growing (and valid) reputation for speeding
and assisting in parturition - so easing the birth. These herbs are made
up as a tea and drunk several times a day like normal tea. We will
leave this thread open so that customers can make other
recommendations.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic RE: Problems of being Anonymous posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 23, 2008 at 01:58 PM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 02:01 PM
Yes Paul; you are on the button with all three points. Unfortnately our
host's (Pliner's) system cannot be switched to prompt for a unique
pseudonym.
As you know there are a wide parameter of users on the SAEF, from raw
beginner to advanced initiates, but often an experienced occultist can
be a newbie at the net and make mistakes until they get used to the
system. I have even had people complain that they have posted a message
to the thread and that I have deleted it when I have done no such thing.
What has happened is that the newbie has clicked on the email address
of the person making the original forum message and unwittingly sent an
email to them! (this is a facility which can be helpful to users for you
can email individuals privately without having your message reflected
in the thread). Similarly, the unthinking use of 'anonymous' can
unintentionally soon get people at cross purposes. Some forum users have
asked if it would be better if the forum were set to force people to
put in their genuine email addresses but we feel that would mitigate
against newbies who may feel intimidated but who are ready to
participate if they feel their comments cannot be attributed. The upshot
is that naive users can get confused about forum facilities and this
coupled with such sensitive areas of discussion sometimes leads them to
feel excluded or prejudiced against - hence their occasional outbursts.
Naturally we always make clear that our FIRST AND FOREMOST intention is
to be as empathic as possible to everyone's opinions and find a solution
or answer for them so beginners should keep in mind that if it looks
like we are being elitist it may be something they themselves have
caused and a requesting clarification would be a wise next step. All the
best - Denise W.
Topic Problems of being Anonymous posted by Paul User
posted on September 21, 2008 at 08:59 AM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 01:59 PM
Moderator's comment carried over from an existing thread [INFOBURST:
Will contributors PLEASE make up a pseudonym for themselves instead of
putting in 'anonymous' or leaving it blank - which by default causes an
'anonymous' to appear. Otherwise newcomers to this forum will think that
there is one really eclectic person making contradictory comments when
it is in fact any number of people who have simply forgotten to make up a
pseudonym for themselves! BB Denise]
This issue seems to be about a couple of things:
1) Awareness - a new person posting may not be aware of this request
2) Logic - so we know who is saying what.
3) Responsibility - seperates the Adepts from the neophytes.
Denise, is there no background script setting that ensures users put in a user name (excluding anonymous?).
This issue seems to be cropping up again and again, hence I figure a post, might be of use, but delete if not. :)
Cheers
Paul
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Topic saff.hquk.uk posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 13, 2008 at 12:35 AM
edited on April 14, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Really like the saff site. i checked out creationist.org afterwards. my jaw is still on the ground.
[INFOBURST:
http:/www.saff.nfshost.com Was the first esoteric anti-defamation
organisation set up in 1989 by the S.A. in the wake of the viscious
persecution of Marabas and the S.A. by the British Media which resulted
in the firebombing of the S.A. Bookshop in Leeds by fanatical
fundamentalists. Originally Marabas had founded The Occult Information
Interchange in 1988 to counter the evil religious lies which were the
precursor to the Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth. When the S.A. was firebombed
clients from all over the world spontaneously sent in money to help us
rebuild. Marabas put all of this into a non-profitmaking fund (the
S.A.F.F.) and has been the main philanthropic contributor ever since.
The S.A.F.F. has contributed influentially in many ways to the freedom
of speech worldwide - the true story may never be told but a lot of it
is on the SAFF website. ]
Topic RE: Recent Witchcraft Execution posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I agree with you Karen but they are not alone. Saudi Arabia's human
rights record is absolutely appalling and far worse than some dictator
lead countries, but let's not massage the political blind-spot. The
machinery which works to keep the Saudi royal family in power has it's
counterpart in the one which keeps the Establishment in power in the
U.K. A ruling caste of priests who set an impossible moral standard for
others to follow and then demand holy retribution against imperfect
souls who fall from grace. The British law courts are full of this
hypocrisy. Even in our so-called secular government the same mechanisms
play out - viz the manic persecution of paedophiles. It's all
mind-control. Check-out Marabas's Secrets of Mind Control - you can
download it instantly from the net right now on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindcont.htm which explains how all
Monarchical and so-called democratic systems exist through unworthy
people in positions of power enslaving or sacrificing people lower down
the socio-economic scale through the gullibility of the masses in
believing invented threats such as Satanic Ritual Child Abuse,
Freemasonic and Atheistic/Communistic Conspiracies etc., Even Weapons of
Mass Destruction which can be deployed in 45 minutes!*. (*clarification
for overseas readers: Tony Blair used false threats of Saddam Hussain
being able to hit London with weapons of Mass Destruction in 45 minutes
to stampede Britain into an unnecessary war in Iraq) BB Denise W
Topic RE: Recent Witchcraft Execution posted by Karen User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:55 AM
I've long heard that the Saudi royal family, who insist on exceedingly
strict religious observance from their cowed subjects, live the lives of
total libertines themselves. Hence there's a strong element of class
oppression and corruption here, as well as fundamentalist misogyny,
religious intolerance, etc.
Topic RE: Recent Witchcraft Execution posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 19, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Hi Puretongue.
These witchcraft executions are utterly, tragic and a complete and
unnecessary waste of life. It isn't just happening in Saudi because the
SAFF [http://saff.nfshost.com] assure me they have files of similar
executions all over Africa and Asia which are occurring all the time.
Although there are cases where men are accused the vast majority of
people who are put to death for witchcraft are and always were WOMEN.
What we have here is the same patriarchal hate of women from exclusively
male priesthoods who have feared the empowerment of women since time
immemorial. It is an absolute scandal that so-called enlightened and
liberal politicians in the West (invariably male!) turn a blind eye to
this extreme form of sexism in other countries whilst prattling on at
their home audience about equal rights for women!
The allegation that this poor woman made a man impotent and so must be
executed says it all doesn't it? If we are not forcing men into raping
us because we are irresistibly sexy we are to blame for them not being
able to get it up.
It was this misogynist attitude to women which fuelled the Burning Times
of the 14,15 and 16 centuries in Europe where millions of innocent
women who had nothing whatsoever to do with the Old Religion were
stripped naked and repeatedly sadistically sexually abused in torture
chambers in sufferings so great that the occasional rape must have been a
welcome respite from unbearable pain before these 'worthless and
indecent' ladies were executed for witchcraft.
Of course the true value of the Ancient Wisdom is that it is not
monotheistic - the god and goddess have equal status and respect. Many
believe that a truly equitable society can only be achieved on this
basis and that women will always be institutionally victimised in
civilisations which adhere to a patriarchal monotheism. What say you? BB
Denise W.
Topic Recent Witchcraft Execution posted by Puretongue User
posted on February 18, 2008 at 09:23 AM
In November, Saudi Arabia executed an Egyptian for Sorcery. They
currently have a woman, Fawza Falih, awaiting execution for witchcraft.
Convicted after being reported for making a man impotent, Fawza Falih is
still effectively on death row, despite having the death penalty
revoked by an appeal court, but a lower court has ruled that the
execution should go ahead.
Now this is Saudi Arabia, but we can see in the news accounts online
(Reuters, Human Rights Watch) that the prejuidices and oppressive
psychological mechanisms in play in this case, are the same as were
obvious during the SRAM and still exist here today.
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Topic Regardie/Wang Tarot: Devil card posted by Aaron User
posted on June 24, 2009 at 08:35 PM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Dear SA/forum readers,
Greetings to all. I wonder if anyone here is familiar with the
Golden dawn tarot deck by Robert Wang supervised by Israel Regardie ?
I have received a copy of it as a gift and the devil card is very
similar to the Waite card except the goat's head is inside a pentagram
...and there are two further objects protruding from the baphomet's
head making seven points although these two ears/horns/whatever(?)
aren't inside the star. I have checked the Golden Dawn book by
Regardie and can find no explanation, and the booklet gives no
meaning of the symbology. Does anyone know what these things are ?
Thank you,
Aaron
[INFOBURST: The symbolism on some tarot cards can be quite eclectic and
ruled more by asthetic forces, hence superflous symbols and sigils may
appear. This casual approach does not apply to tarot designed by a
qabbalist of the calibre of Regardie and so you should meditate on the
Pleides and the sacred solids they often represent. BB Denise W.]
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Restriction.
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Topic Restriction. posted by Babalonuit888. User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 03:58 AM
Hail and farewell, as I depart to a Magickal retreat; a final
thought: A man, 'Rex', I believe, said:- "I sometimes forget that S.A. have 'issues' with the establishment."
I will open a website inviting an expected very few, to commune in an
Astral Temple, soon. A relative? Let's say 'i', started a trial run, as a
music station advertised the name, with S.A. added after 'Sexy boy'
from China's perspective. The Holy Temple was advertised, as Astral, all
well and good. However, I and,...'I' noticed an email request from a
(to illumined clairvoyant gaze)
windows 'spaces' investigator, to enter our/my site! No.
'I' attempted to explain which symbols were to be meditated on, and
when:- content blocked-'submit article' not possible. Temple now erased.
By whom? I've experienced an infiltrator posing as a neophyte, trying
to gain access via email to a 'worshipper of the great beast' amusing,
as I'd observed him two days before email, on the Astral, glamoured in
poorly constructed 'make up.' Physical proof, and he ran, all the way
home, with me following.
But WHO was this? Which section of the establishment? I've erased
several comments, which could place prominent people in an awkward
light. Be wary, Brother/Sister, my personal experience lends weight to
Fr. Marabus's theories. Let's not lose our freedom through
carelessness.
Now, I retire, perhaps to re-emerge.
Blessings, One and All.
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Topic RE: Rider Waite Tarot: Final word ? posted by moon User
posted on January 01, 2009 at 03:30 PM
Thanks you Denise and all all who contributed to this thread. I am
enrolled for a local Tarot class on Wed. nights and they require this
deck. I was looking for a Rider made version. I just ordered one from
here.
Kudos to S.A.!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!!!!!
moon
Topic RE: Rider Waite Tarot: Final word ? posted by moon User
posted on January 01, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Good information!!!
Thanks,
Moon
Topic Rider Waite Tarot: Final word ? posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 09:42 PM
Three part explanation of the Rider-Waite Tarot 'editions' confusion:
1)The SA's Rider-Waite Tarot are made by Rider of London. I have no idea of
how much stock SA have but what I can tell you is that these are the last
ones made by Rider and the best available. They are excellent quality. Once
the are gone you'll be stuck with the 'Original Rider waite deck' below:
2) Rider is now owned by Random House and they subcontract manufacturing of
the 'Original Rider Waite Tarot Deck' to a company in Italy where they make
a facsimile of an old 1910 deck, slightly different from the ones Rider made
(different because the colours are faded, etc, antique looking). These card
are marked (c) US Games 1971 because US Games (Stuart kaplan) have bought all
rights to the names Rider tarot/Waite Tarot, etc from Waite's daughter, and
Rider/Random can only now print new decks under licence from USG (losing
anyone ?) You can compare RW/ORW at http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/original-rider-waite/
3) America: The authorised American Waite Tarot is the US Games version of
1971 available in several sizes, so ignoring the sizes there are THREE
versions of the Rider/Waite Tarot.
Topic RE: Pocket and mini Waite cards posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 11:43 AM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 01:02 PM
Hi AJ, mine are the same size as the stanard playing cards but if the
minituare ones was what Denise was referring to then I can see why she
said they were not much use but I get on fine with mine.
[Infoburst: AJ is quite right. The ones we sold as 'pocket or miniature'
Rider Waites were the smaller ones which were about 4 x 8 cm and it was
these to which I was referring. To my mind their only advantage was
that you could take them with you anywhere and, if necessary, even do a
fortune spread on your knees on a train or bus etc., BB Denise W. ]
Topic Pocket and mini Waite cards posted by AJ User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Re Pocket edition of the RW there were 2 of these, one interchangea
-bly called pocket and 'miniature edition'. The miniature really
was a novelty, a good bit smaller than playing cards, smaller than
a credit card. (AJ)
Topic RE: Which Tarot Decks do you sell/recommend ? posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 10:24 AM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Hi Denise,
Why do you feel that the pocket edition were not much use? I did and
still do still have the full size deck but was forever dropping them
when I tried to shuffle due to the size of them so I purchased the
smaller size which has identical symbollogy so therefore are as good for
divination as the larger deck in my opinion....correct me if I have
missed your point.
I didn't say they weren't any good for divination I said they weren't
any good for magical purposes (i.e. too small/impractical to be used as
symbol/meditation cards). We cannot tell from here how a client is going
to use their cards -for divination or for meditation. Because the Rider
was the first deck with the possibility of using the cards as
meditational gateways to the pathways to the tree of life they need to
be of a size which you can see without strain from a cross-legged
position or seated in front of an altar and the smaller cards aren't
large enough for that. Have you tried shuffling the regular sized pack
end on? That works for me, even with Crowley's thoth deck. ;-) BB Denise
W.
Topic RE: Rider-Waite Blue pack/editions ? posted by Alan User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 08:26 PM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 12:51 PM
I have the Rider-Waite. I no longer have the box and can't remember now
what was on it, whether serpent or wheel of fortune ? I have an instruction
book that says Rider & Co, vauxhall, London, yet the cards are printed
US Games on the border. Again same background of lilies/roses and yes the
blue is turquoise blue, but not really green. They have good colours and
very plasticised. Does SA maybe have stock with an earlier box as official
site for Rider/Random house has the box John describes. Likewise, if SA
have a better deck, a picture might help if there is a link ?
I also have several editions of the Crowley-Thoth which vary from each other.
Old 2-piece white box OTO design is very smart but the cards aren't so
good compared to modern editions: no 'spider-web' on the borders and a
greenishness
to all the cards. Keep well, Alan.
[Infoburst: Hi Alan, Well I see I have kicked over a rat's nest of
possibilities here. Firstly can I ask anyone contributing to this thread
to say in which country they purchased their cards as obviously we only
have partial knowledge of U.S editions? Rights issues were different in
the U.S. to the U.K. and different boxes and back designs were used
from edition to edition. The oldest Rider-Waite pack I and Marabas
remember had the Fortuna card printed on the front of the box but on
checking our little 'museum' here I found a 1993 edition pack with
Temperance on the front! The oldest Rider-Waite pack we have (from the
late 1970s has blue cross-hatching on the back of the cards
(v.traditional). The current printing on our shelves has Fleur de Lys on
the backs instead and so does the 1993 edition I mentioned. The later
editions too all seem to have an Orouborous snake on the 'fly' card but
the oldest pack doesn't! I reckon we need some Tarot historian who has
kept track of the various editions to enlighten us, though it makes no
difference magically, it is still a most necessary pack. BB Denise W.
Topic Rider-Waite Blue pack/editions ? posted by John User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Hi Denise,
Thanks for the info on Rider-Waite Blue pack. I am wondering if
they are the same as the ones I have (one of few items I did not
obtain from SA as they were a Xmas gift). The box mine came in
identified Rider of London, but had a serpent biting it's tail
in a circle; blue card backs with white rose/lilies ? The box
title was 'Original Rider Waite Tarot Deck'. If yours are
different cards rather than just the box edition I'd be interested
in buying a deck.
Best Regards,
John.
Topic Tarot decks posted by John User
posted on June 30, 2008 at 06:40 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:51 AM
Hi James,
As far as I have read,
The Rider-Waite deck was reissued in America in the early 1970's and coloured
in solid colours as all the publisher had was black and white plates.
The Original Rider Waite deck is a facsimile of a 1910 edition and the
colours are more subtle and have more shading and a water-colour look, I
prefer the Original version myself. The Thoth deck used to be available
in a smaller edition but may now be out of print ???
- John.
Hi John, Marabas says that the Rider Deck is so important that it has
been in pretty well continuous imprint since the early 1970s when the
current revival of interest in magical things spawned a market large
enough to support it. There were some poorly printed early American
packs produced by novelty companies on shoddy unplasticised stock which
used to fall apart after a few dozen uses and these tended to be the
pale coloured ones. (N.B. This is not a crack at American production
methods - these cards were purposefully made down to a price). In the
U.K. the cards were produced by the Rider publishing Company throughout
(hence the name Rider-Waite Blue Pack which is the term sometimes used
by occultists over here to distinguish the Rider Waite deck - it has
always been provided in a cosmic blue box with the Fortune Card on the
front as per tradition) and the quality of their stock and printing has
been proved excellent. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Which Tarot Decks do you sell/recommend ? posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 07:38 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:43 AM
Hi, you used to be able to get the smaller version of the Rider Waite
which I think were called the pocket edition which I have as the
standard size are too big for me to shuffle. The deck I have are more
colourful than a similar deck which I believe are called the Original
Waite? I don't know if the SA stock these but I'm sure you can still get
them.
Hi, We used to stock the pocket Rider but they were really a novelty
-far too small to be of any use magically - and they weren't that much
cheaper than a full size pack so to me there seemed little point. They
went out of print some time back. We will probably stock again if they
become available. BB Denise W. P.S. You can order a full-size Rider pack
by
going to our equipment list and scrolling down to Tarot:Rider.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm ]
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Topic RE: Which Tarot Decks do you sell/recommend ? posted by James User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 07:34 PM
Oops, I should have added I have seen some pictures of cards
from the Morgan Greer and Sacred Rose decks which I find
appealing but not sure if they're good decks to use or
even still in print ?
James.
Topic Which Tarot Decks do you sell/recommend ? posted by James User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 07:31 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:38 AM
Hi SA, Can you tell me which Tarot Decks you regularly stock or
recommend. I see the Waite and Crowley decks advertised but have a bit
of a
problem/issue with each, and would appreciate anyone's recommending or advice on avoiding decks.
Crowley deck is too large to handle without dropping cards, though very
stunning just to look at, but for me not practical and too advanced.
I like the Waite deck but it seems only available in the 'original'
edition (Is this the one you sell ?). I used to have an old copy which
was bright colours but the 'original' version is duller and has no blue,
just turquoise/green for sky/water. Re other decks, do you have to be
aware of them maybe being not symbolically correct ? Thank you, James
[Infoburst: Hi James, Marabas says the Rider Pack was the first pack to
illuminate (symbolise) all 78 cards. Prior to this you had 22 trumps
(picture cads) and 56 'normal' Tarock cards (i.e. 1-10, page, Jack,
queen, king) but with Tarock symbols on them (discs, swords,clubs etc
instead of diamonds,hearts,etc). These suit/minor arcana cards each had a
significance but meanings traditionally varied. Waite did the marvelous
job of illustrating the minor arcana so that the pictures showed what
the meanings were; as well as deepening their occult significance in
relation to QBL. Thus ALL modern occult packs have been pale reflections
of the Rider pack but with various artistic styles overlaid. In many
instances these 'new' packs were the result more of artistry than occult
knowledge and some of them are symbolically and technically inept so
you should start with the Rider persevere with it until you understand
more about magical tarot and then when you are in the know make your
choice from the other packs available. The Crowley tarot is large
because the cards were intended for meditation/focus during rites more
than for divination. Anyone who can't find a way of shuffling isn't
trying hard enough! BB Denise W. ]
Topic Historic Waite Tarot adverts, etc posted by David User
posted on May 03, 2008 at 11:34 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:18 AM
James,
Have you read A.E.Waite's Pictorial Key to the Tarot ?
Also, not the Waite deck, but the best book on Tarot
but very deep is Crowley's Book of Thoth.
David.
[Infoburst: Hi David, The Pictorial Key to the Tarot is simply The Key
To The Tarot with pictures of the cards - hardly necessary if you have
the pack. I agree with you that Crowley's Thoth Book is an EXCELLENT
initiated exposition of the magicians tarot pack
(you can order it from here )
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm but does not fit with
the Rider Tarot Deck as some of the trumps are transposed. Additionally
Crowley and Waite disliked each other intensley and represeented the
New and Old Aeon approaches respectively. BB Denise W.
Topic Rider Waite Tarot book posted by James User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 09:38 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 04:00 PM
Dear SA,
I have a pack of Rider-Waite Tarot cards and
Marabas's Quatro Tarot OEXP and was looking at your Tarot starter pack advertisement...can you tell me if a book is
with the pack and which book it is if it can be ordered separately ?, otherwise,
which is the best book especially for the Rider-Waite Tarot ?
Thank you,
James.
[INFOBURST: Hi James, It used to be - Key To The Tarot was written by
Arthur Edward Waite specifically to act as an introduction to his cards
but it is temporarily out of print - we should have more stocks late
summer - you can check this by looking at our A-Z booklist
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm from time to time. There are
plenty of other books with supplemental information on the Rider Pack,
in particular those by E.Connolly. The Thoth Pack is completely
different (Some Major Arcana cards are switched) in symbolism and intent
to the Waite Pack. You will learn a LOT about both magick and tarot by
reading Crowley's Book of Thoth (use booklist link above) but not about
the Rider Waite pack. BB Denise W.
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Topic Rune work, and health posted by Cherry_Ripe User
posted on June 27, 2009 at 06:57 PM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM
After several years of health and other problems, I am slowly becoming involved in magic again.
I would like to take up regular practice again. I'm thinking about rune
stance/vibration, having been impressed by Jan Fries' 'Helrunar'. I
tried it a number of years ago, and got some interesting results,
including an experience that shook me up so much that I stopped for
awhile.
I would appreciate some advice as to how, and indeed whether, to
proceed, given my health worries. I'm reasonably ok at the moment, and
don't want to mess things up.
[INFOBURST: This is a difficult one. In many ways one needs to be
balanced and healthy to be able to surf magical forces without
succumbing to negative energies, yet if one is imbalanced with Chi and
looking to heal onself magic is also the solution. I think you should
definitely read
Marabas's OEXP072 and OEXP073
which explains how to centre your Chi as well as create a balanced mind
so that your magical work remains centred.. If you email me privately
with the symptoms of your health situation M might be able to advise a
magical technique to use to rebalance that and then you will be set for
further esoteric exploration. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Old Friends posted by Mazkuth User
posted on April 12, 2010 at 02:09 PM
I can confirm that Mazkuth, who helped guide so many people in his time,
and who did indeed work from the moorland of Devon, passed away many
years ago and is now on the Spirit plane.
For so many people that he helped, truly are blessed...
Topic RE: Old Friends posted by Antaresana User
posted on January 14, 2010 at 04:53 PM
edited on January 19, 2010 at 09:20 AM
Hi, I put Mazkuth into the internet and came up with this site.Mazkuth
helped me with an intractable problem that I had in the nineties and I
have thought of him ever since and wondered whether he is still on the
earth plane. I have tried writing to him at his address in Devon with no
luck.I am still drawn to him,to me he was superb.
[INFOBURST: Customers of the S.A. , for whom this Forum is conducted,
may be wondering why we include a thread on the 'disappeared' Mazkuth.
The first reason is that the name is sufficiently close to Marabas that
clarification is necessary, the second is to point out that of all
initiates over the past three decades only Marabas and his S.A. service
has been consistently available for all those thousands of people who
rely on him for spiritual work. Of course, he is getting
long-in-the-tooth now and will not be on this plane forever. When he
passes to the summerlands no doubt others will be writing to forums
about how they missed their chance like Antaresana has about Mazkuth. I
am not besmirching Mazkuth's work but the phrase The Grass is Always
Greener, springs to mind and as an avid follower of Marabas I take
offence at those who do not appreciate his extensive efforts and
successes. He has probably the best track record of any initiate in this
area and I am taking this opportunity to let you know it.
BB DeniseW]
Topic old friends posted by AnnB User
posted on July 29, 2008 at 07:38 PM
edited on August 01, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Dear Denise I think thisis a little strange I was not hijacking the
forum when I wrote about Mazkuth I didnt put any subject on it so please
dont accuse me of me such an awful thing
I know the forum starter was a bit put out but I wrote not via the forum but personally to you
by e mail that I use to order and ask you anything
So it obviously found its way onto there without any help from me
[Infoburst: You need to take care when clicking on links/buttons AnnB.
The 'posted by' and 'reply to this message' links are next to each
other. Press the 'posted by' and if the poster has left their actual
email address you will automatically send a private email to the poster.
Click the 'reply to this message' link and everything you type will
appear on the forum. BB Denise W<] /I>
Topic RE: Old Friends posted by Bestarbeto User
posted on July 24, 2008 at 09:14 AM
Hi there
Has anyone noticed the post new
Topic button?
Topic RE: Old Friends posted by John User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 12:27 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Hello Anne B,
Mazkuth, I remember his photo from Prediction magazine, the same place I
first saw SA advertised in 1980's. Is he still around ?
I actually mixed him up with Marabas for a time as a beginner
but once I discovered Marabas I thought Mazkuth might have been
less than the real deal. Interested to hear that you valued his
work. Didn't he advertise as a 'Pyromancer' or was that another
fellow in Prediction ? Interested to hear more. I wonder if any
connection to the Frater Sisto that Marabas keeps the memory and
teachings of alive in SA's witchcraft recordings...
Thanks for the memory flash,
John
[Infoburst: Hi John - No connection between Fra Sisto and Mazkuth according to Marabas. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Old Friends posted by AnnB User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 11:45 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:14 PM
Denise Over thirty years ago I used to correspond with a wizard who
lived in Devon his name was Mazkuth what a wise creature he was.
But I wrote one time and received no answer tried a few times more but then decided perhaps he was in spirit
Have always wondered about him have you ever heard of him
A kind man an excellent tutor
Take Care
Ann X from Millie and my terrified black nets
[Infoburst: That's lovely AnnB and you seem a very nice lady but as I
have to try and give some structure to this forum could I ask you not to
hi-jack a thread started by someone else for another purpose.
Bestarbeto was, I think, trying to obtain readers' comments on the new
wave of oppressive regulation of alternative health care recently
imposed by government and drawing their attention to the fact that the
SAFF unearthed a campaign by the medical monopoly to achieve this over a
decade ago. This kind of information is far more pertinent than the
whereabouts of Mazkuth so I am putting this thread back on track - If
you want to correspond about Mazkuth please use the New Post Button at
the bottom of the page as Bestarbeto suggests below, to start a new
thread on it. BB Denise W. ]
Topic SAFF Vindicated - time to stop talking to
distressed friends posted by Bestarbeto User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 11:34 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Check out this at the SAFF website.
http://www.pliner.net/appmb2/1c76fb/
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Topic RE: SA shop on Google street view ? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 16, 2010 at 01:56 PM
I should have said if you walked out of the shop and turned right. The
shop was brilliant and I loved the smells, also the staff in the wizard
type shoes that curled up at the toe.
Topic RE: SA shop on Google street view ? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 16, 2010 at 12:55 PM
I can remember going to the shop that was close to a junction and there
was a pub on the corner if you walked out of the shop and turned left. I
cannot find this on google - I think there was a park close by as
well.
Topic Victorian 'ghost' picked up by Street View posted by John User
posted on March 27, 2009 at 07:44 AM
I think the street view is a very dangerous innovation for criminal use as well
as softening people up to accepting surveillance everywhere, but on a different
note here's a story about a ghost being filmed apparently.
Best,
John.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/google/5051309/Victorian-ghost-picked-up-by-Google-Street-View.html
Topic RE: SA shop on Google street view ? posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM
edited on March 26, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Hi Keith, hope you had as good a vernal equinox as we did. Marabas has covered the subject of diminishing Privacy in his
Secrets of Mind Control Click here for more info. Nearly two decades ago
he prophesied that there would be no such thing as Privacy by the turn
of the century and that even as I write, any person's life is an open
book to anyone who has access to the surveillance devices of the police
state we now appear to live in. From when you step out of your house in
the morning, to when you step back in at night everything you do is
trackable, recordable, visible, accountable. Government departments are
tracking you - in your best interests of course - on all levels to take
control of your health, drinking, sexual tendencies, inter-social
activities, purchases, and how your decisions affect your status as a
'Citizen'. You would be AMAZED at what information can be gleaned about
you from a list of the groceries you purchase every week at your local
supermarket and in a year or so's time M says that these 'profiles' will
be used to judge whether you can be a 'fit' parent, or a dead-weight to
the NHS amongst other things. Eventually people who do not walk the
automaton line will be electronically made persona-non-grata and be
unable to function independently in Britain. If the new Stalinists
decide that what you do and think is uncomfortable to them then they can
and will destroy you. The old way of doing it was to set the media to
persecute dissenters and libertines - soon they will just push a button
and electronically erase your existence. But take heart! If only one of
us exercises his/her free will in the face of this oppression then all
of mankind will be free. Voluble freethinkers are the antidote to the
machinations of the Thought Police. BB Denise W.
Topic SA shop posted by Alan User
posted on March 21, 2009 at 07:34 PM
Yes Keith, the SA is there. Here's a weblink to
some more pics of the old Aladdin's cave...Alan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tacobelle/tags/occult/
Topic SA shop on Google street view ? posted by Keith User
posted on March 20, 2009 at 09:13 PM
Dear SA,
As an occasonal visitor to the SA shop on Burley Lodge road many moons
ago, I couldn't help browsing the new Google street view to see if I
could spot it. Are you on there ? There is a blacked out building on
Burley Lodge road, no signage. Is that the old SA ? I've forgotten how
the shop looked, I thought it was a one-storey but this is part of a larger
building. On that note, I know your address isn't a secret but what do you
think of the privacy implications ??? All the best, Keith
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Topic connectedness posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 01:03 AM
Names are names the best that has come out of Burley Lodge Leeds is "Together we help each other evolve". LIFE
Topic RE: S.A staff posted by Paul User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 07:46 AM
I am a past customer, and SA helped me a lot during my introduction to
the Occult and my Path. So I would like to add my thanks also!
Thanks :)
Topic S.A staff posted by T User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 02:44 PM
I don't know where this should go so I am going to put it here. So often
Marabas and Denise are praised (and rightly so) for there fantastic
help and knowledge but lets not forget the others that make up the team.
I don't know how many people work at the SA but I would like to give
Paula a pat on the back who has on many occasions given me some great
help and friendly advice when I have phoned to order or enquire about
things. And how does she always know who she is speaking to and remember
everyones name with such a huge client list? I think it must be
something in the Leeds water! (wink)
Thankyou!
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Topic RE: SA talisman/logo posted by John User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Hi Denise,
Cheers for the info. It certainly seems to do it's job in giving SA
gear its own unique energy.
Best wishes, John.
Topic RE: SA talisman/logo posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:53 PM
No, John, it is not a secret. The talisman in the centre of our logo is
the pantacle of the Archangel Gabriel from the Grimoire of Almadel, one
of the most respected ancient magical grimoires. 'His power is very
great and he can do you great good;' In his sigil there be taught the
methods of restoring and transplanting both health and mental force. 'It
promotes knowledge, communication, success, harmony and luck to those
who hold it. You can actually obtain a full size example of this
talisman from the S.A. See www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/talismns.htm
for full details. BB Denise W.
Topic SA talisman/logo posted by John User
posted on April 24, 2008 at 09:52 AM
Hi Denise/SA,
I have always liked the SA's logo and wondered what the
seal/talisman incorporated into it is, what it is called
and from which grimoire ? If it's a trade secret then sorry
for being nosey !
Best regards,
John.
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Topic RE: Satanic rites/Enochian calls posted by Graham User
posted on June 20, 2008 at 02:30 PM
Hello RW,
If you have read the Satanic Bible, why not try for yourself
and see ? If you want more info on the subject matter, go to
www.churchofsatan.com, left hand menu: Theory and Practice
and read the article on Enochian pronunciation, and 'on
occultism of the past'. Re chaos magic, see Liber Null/Psychonaut
by P.Carroll on adopting belief structures. In satanic ritual, we
deliberately enter into a 'belief state' then forget about it when
the rite is over.
Hope that helps...Graham.
Topic Satanic rites/Enochian calls posted by RW User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 09:58 PM
A question for any seasoned satanists, magicians, Chaoists:
How effective are the Enochian Keys(calls) as given by Anton LaVey in
the Satanic Bible, are they ineffective due to being 'blackened' or were
they genuine in the first place, also how effective are his 3 rituals from
the Satanic Bible (Lust, compassion, destruction) and can they be
used for example by a chaos magician who chooses to become a Satanist
only for the duration of the rite ?
- RW
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Topic RE: LEAH posted by jim User
posted on March 05, 2009 at 05:18 PM
where is bab888?? he was a star!! please come and join us as theis forum is sadly lacking without your insights and spirit xxx
Topic LEAH posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 10, 2008 at 05:14 PM
not all succubi are evil....i have a beautiful ones that vists me
sometimes at night, she has long flowing blonde hair and the room is
filled with a beautiful perfume..........she is loving and sits close to
me......
Topic RE: Realities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 16, 2008 at 11:35 AM
ok, i will join a wizard's coven i'm male.......you make a good
point.....i need to be able to share my supernatural experiences with a
similar group who can talk these things throgh with me.........thanks
for your input, BB
Topic RE: Realities. posted by AnB User
posted on October 15, 2008 at 09:21 PM
Please dont let this situation get out of control stop think and listen to the advice people are trying to get through to you
Try stopping e mailing and start to sort out your thoughts
Right down the good then the bad and comare you are going nowhere just
backward and if you are perfectly serious illness will folow and for
what I said before meditate join a circle see people(good)witches if you
will and they will help you the forum is no way to get help for your
problems which are mostly self made
Topic RE: Realities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 15, 2008 at 11:28 AM
no.........you are COMPLETELY WRONG........I am NOT laughing. It is not
funny. If you read some of my earlier comments, you might understand my
distress.............and fears...........as Bab888 clearly did. COME
BACK BAB888 !! you are very missed..........
Topic RE: Double Yoker. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM
No I am certainly NOT a wind up merchant.......ANYTHING BUT......and your nasty comments say more about you, than me.
At least Denise can answer constructively & intelligently.
Topic Double Yoker. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 09:03 PM
Thanks AnneB. Its good exercise for me, a wee Novice, and I hope usefull
to others. I have no problem in someone playing the Joker. A bit of
quality would be nice though.
All the Best
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Realities. posted by AnnB User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 08:10 PM
I did reply to you Rice n peas but got it in the wrong place nothing
unusuao there But that is a good idea to stop feeding the person who you
rightly call a wind up merchant.
A very clever stupid person who is playing double ames and having a god laugh in a wisted way.
But all returns to come back again so beware and open yor mind to the truth as it is.
Nobody starts with all knowledge an Adept has a long path never ending
Let the forum go back to its existence as it should be its gone on for
far to long as it is
Topic RE: Realities. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 07:54 PM
The problem is not that you are a beginner its your attitude. I to am a
beginner. If you have chosen to believe the nonesense over the good
advice you have recieved from the experienced and good people of this
forum, well thats fine. Im not going to reply to you anymore as i think
your a wind up merchant, though i will thank you for your post, as i
have enjoyed the sport.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Realities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 05:16 PM
...easy to say when you are not a beginner like me....and do not know what to believe.
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Topic RE: Realities. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 02:19 PM
No. I can think for myself.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Realities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 02:09 PM
well........if you listened to all of the things I have heard ref Tantra.......you would be frightened too.
Topic RE: Realities. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Brill. Im glad you have made a decission.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Realities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 10:57 AM
hi folks........sorry but after what my ex-friend said to me, I am
upset.......too upset in fact to try Tantra. Am sure it would have been
terrific.......but this guy is unhappy in his own life and is not
exactly a good advert for it!!
So much for the (supposed) self-proclaimed adept !
Topic RE: Realities. posted by Paul User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 06:55 PM
"Infoburst: On the contrary; I think luck9 is now well on his way to
personal empowerment as he has begun to trust in his own powers of
deduction and intuition. His future is bright having escaped the thrall
of NAN. BB Denise W."
And you sum up (what I believe to be) part of role of a genuine Adept: to lead others to their own genuine freedom.
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 06:52 PM
Its something we all go through. I remember when I was 12 being scared
of moving up to secondry school, mainly because of the stories of kids
putting your head down the toilet. Luckily my Mum kicked my arse and
made me go, or, i would have missed out on my learning. Now i am older
and dont have my Mum to push me forwards so I have to use my own
judgements and confront the bullshit. As with me at secondry school you
will come to see the deceptions. Asking us to replace one persons ideas
of Tantra with anothers is not going to help you KNOW. In fact your more
likely to get confused. Only with EXPERIENCE do you get to KNOW.
Like Dennise says, the candle Magick Spell Kit and Man Know Thyself CD
will put you on the right track, the rest wll come if thats what you
Desire.
If you write more fully and keep name changes to a minimum you will get better responses. If you give you get.
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U posted by confused 2 User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Ricenpeas I do not mean to offend you, or anyone else on this forum and I
am sorry for coming across like a person who cannot think !
But I was just very distressed by what I heard from him and I could not
understand why he was telling me all this?? I am only a beginner and his
behaviour frightened me, and to be honest, I thought he was completely
GENUINE !! Now it seems people here are saying otherwise!! WHO AM I TO
BELIEVE???? HOW AM I TO KNOW???
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Im not repying inplace of Dennise, She can do that by herself.
I am pionting out that your questions are annoying but not intellegent
and show you up for someone who can not think for themselves. There are
much harder questions in the universe than is your friend a prick, as
you say the answer is actualy quite simple.
If you are to scared to try Magick then what are you here for. This is a
forum for people willing to take there Destiny out of the hands of
others and regain some controll in there lives. If you wish to persist
with this then shame on you Annon.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 01:11 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 05:04 PM
what on earth is wrong with asking a simple question??
Either this guy was talking crap / NAN etc, or he wasn't = simple!!
I am too scared to try Tantra.
You clearly DON'T know the answer....so keep quiet and let those who do i.e. Denise SPEAK..............
[Infoburst: Regular forum contributors can get impatient with questions
which are so badly formed that they don't give them anything to work on
so Ricenpeas is trying to jog you into meditating more on your questions
to get the right answer. You shouldn't ever do anything that you are
frightened of; but if you have any fear of anything you should move the
world in order to quash that fear - and then do it. I think you are
probably aiming too high to begin with. You would be better flexing your
magical muscles on results magic rites to begin with - they won't
frighten you and you will learn to hone your magical skills and then
move on to Tantra if you think it appropriate to your destiny.
See Marabas's Candlemagick Spellbook here and begin your quest safely and properly then you won't have to feel out of step. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Annon.... The world needs aggitators, yes!!!!
but they do need to be skilled. Maybe you should go away and practice on one of the weaker sites.
Ricenpeas
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Topic RE: is marbus an actual person? or the posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Read the thread would ya. Your cluttering it with rubbish. Marbus is a
Goetic Demon, as already said, and please do not confuse this with the
name of Frater MaRaBas if thats were you want to go next. If your going
to do multi personalities maybe you should change your writting styles
otherwise you defeat the point. Give yourselves a bit of credit.
Ricenpeas
Topic is marbus an actual person? or the posted by lucylou User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 04:48 PM
name of something like an angel?
[Infoburst: Ha! I had a good laugh about this one. So many people ready
to mis-read and jump to misconclusions. Personally I think Marabas is
more like a saint but certainly no angel as you would know if you worked
here with him. ;-). BB Denise W.
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM
think of these Luck9 comments ?? Is his friend lying to him......??
Is there anything accuate in what his friend was saying to him??
In your opinion is his friend just a NAN?
Topic RE: Forum Marbus/psychotherapy posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 11, 2008 at 05:16 PM
Nice. I tip my hat to you 888
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Realities. posted by AnnB User
posted on October 10, 2008 at 07:55 PM
Thank goodness and the gods that this has been resolved and is now
quietening down now to get back to the real nature of the faith it feels
that a clansing has been done. I did do a meditation and incense to
help but of course the power that the forum would have probably done
that already
Everyone forward with the faith and goodness derived from it
No returning to this distrastrous thread.I will always be very proud of
the help people have received many problems solve in the pyschiatric
world but of course we had our failures and would all gather after work
supportig each other over the rief that is true love and respect for
people not this continuous torture of peoples soul and minds its unkind
and will return threefold eentually
Topic RE: Realities. posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 10, 2008 at 06:00 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 04:55 PM
Dear Denise, you are an absolute star........I am really grateful to you
for explaining all of this so clearly..........I was really interested
in Tantra etc....but was frightened because of that weirdo boasting
about his exploits and his "expertisim".......I feel really sorry for
Luck9 having to go through all of this!! He must be too scared to try
anything now..........
[Infoburst: On the contrary; I think luck9 is now well on his way to
personal empowerment as he has begun to trust in his own powers of
deduction and intuition. His future is bright having escaped the thrall
of NAN. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: ??? posted by luck9 I AGREE WITH DENISE 100% User
posted on October 10, 2008 at 05:48 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 04:52 PM
Luck9 nine here.........yes i have to agree with Denise's comments ref.
my initial questions because of what a supposed "adept" had told me. I
fear that this guy was delusional with all those things he said. A true
Magician would remain on the path & would have no desire to leave
it. I am not in contact with him any longer as i feel he was
deliberately misleading me & implied i was too inexperienced to be
able to do anything like him!!
[Infoburst: Good for you luck9. It's called piercing the Veil. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Forum posted by poppy User
posted on October 10, 2008 at 05:31 PM
what is marbus??
Topic RE: MAD shrinks. posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 10, 2008 at 09:29 AM
888..............would love to hear more from you........do please write
again........you are great and clearly very astute.....so please come
back and continue the discussions..............
Topic RE: MAD shrinks. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 02:43 PM
edited on October 10, 2008 at 11:19 AM
It would enlighten ALL OF US to try to understand some of your
reservations ref Psychiatry..........we are all here to
learn.........and what about the "truth"?
[Infoburst: I think the reservation is that the only person who can
really see inside your own head is yourself. Anyone can help you with
objective perspective - that is what friends are for. Whether we need to
rely on psychiatry is another question. The truth? Marabas says that
Truth is the most dangerous substance in the universe - so be very
careful with it. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: MAD shrinks. posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 02:40 PM
your friend is jsut looking for attention.........are you sure he/she is a REAL Psychiatrist??
Topic RE: MAD shrinks. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 02:36 PM
No, fortunately I am not under the care of a Psychiatrist......but, if I
felt I needed help I would NOT hesitate to see one. Many of these
people are lifesavers!!
However, I do believe my Psychiatrist friend in Berlin is deluded and
telling me tales............I mean if Tantra was so secret/difficult
then less than 1% of us could do it. I think he was just boasting and
trying to show me how " magically special" he was. Denise is
right.........the genuine article HAS NO NEED TO BRAG!!
Topic RE: MAD shrinks. posted by AnnB User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 09:28 PM
edited on October 08, 2008 at 09:11 AM
Really this is just so crazy anyone can read the books that we have to
study to be a nurse and more so a doctor how old was this pyschiatrist
it usually takes a few years of doctoring to beome good enough to follow
this vocation.
Most of these people including me took our oath and promised to interfere anyway with people either mind or body.
Someone who needs the help will be terrified by all this chit-chat
A little knowledge they do say is a dangerous thing
My late husband said when I passed my exam at 98 am not quoting this in a big headed way but to show I knew what to do.
What this very sensible man told me Now you have passed now is the time to start learning.
Pyschiatry has a hard enough time as it is but when youve worked in this
media you learn to respect people who even to others would seem obscene
and yes I know all the fetishes bestiality and have even nursed a
vampire(truly) and a wolfman all needing and receiving the appropriate
help and respect so perhaps this thread should be a little honest
And to me its downright disrespectful to ask Denise what she does in her private no one has the right
[Infoburst: Your point about newbies who need help possibly being
terrified by some of the contents of this thread is very valid Ann.
Magic stretches the parameters of normality and creates differing
realities. Marabas believes it is best that beginners realise this early
on and are directed to seek those traditional occult methods which are
designed to reinstate 'normality' so that the neophyte's mind is not
over-phased with 'the immanence of multanimous realities'. So few people
realise that this is the main purpose of theurgy. Outsiders see magical
ritual as an anachronism which might lead to madness - whereas in
practice magical ritual brings the techniques required for a fit and
willed consciousness. By discussing these things newbie readers will be
able to dispel any terrors that ignorance creates. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: MAD shrinks. posted by 888 User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Hi,
I don't know what that was; the thing with astral natures is:realities are symbols are realities.
It didn't represent any part of 'me' that I understand, though from the
viewpoint of Brahma, every living being being is an aspect of my nature,
even at adept level it becomes apparent that one has created the
universe for ones amusement, and ultimate bliss: To dream a dance of
names and natures.
This entity represented...
I digress. I'm bloody exhausted, must sleep.
Why practice sex magick at certain times of year? Why not daily?
Why I didn't become a full shrink, even the vaguest hint could cause uproar; I still have friends in that line......
No, I can't elucidate, sorry.
Must rest.
666-777-888
Bye-Bye
Topic RE: MAD shrinks. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 11:15 AM
edited on October 08, 2008 at 08:53 AM
..so he is insulting me by being bogus and grossly exaggerating his
magical skills/ sexual prowess......yes?.....in an effort to impress??
Were you once a Psychiatrist......then left it?
[Infoburst: No real psychiatrist will boast about being a psychiatrist!
But a psychiatrist may lay you a false trail if he/she thinks you would
be better off running round in circles. It seems to me that you may be
under a course of treatment. Tell us if this is so. If that is the case
then legally you must listen to what your psychiatrist says and
understand that opinions given in this forum are just that. They are not
meant to divert you from or replace proper medical help. BB Denise W.]
Topic MAD shrinks. posted by 888 User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Hi Luck9.
I actually clicked on here by mistake,
I swore an oath to- Well.
My post was meant to boost you up. The highest paths of the tree of
Life, are the fool and Magus, only truly understandable by their
relationship to each other.
(Each card in the Tatot corresponds to a sphere or path on the Hebrew Otz Chim: The Tree of life )
(AT this point I heard 'gotcha': Nooo, You've walked into a spiders web. Excuse me whilst I examine the morning catch)
666
Topic RE: Realities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 10:08 AM
why did your practicing as a Psychiatrist not last long?
Also I am commenting on my own personal experience, not on SA or Denise etc.
Topic RE: Realities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 10:03 AM
B.888.......I am sorry to be so ignorant, but what do you mean by this
post?? that I am a fool to have asked these questions? That you consider
this Psychiatrist a wind-up merchant, liar? or what?
I am sorry but I did not understand your reply and I am trying to.
Is there ANY validity in what he said to me? or is he just another MAD
bull-shitting Psychiatrist?? who is making me look like a complete
fool?? HELP!
Topic RE: Realities. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 05, 2008 at 05:57 PM
Hi Luck9,
A complete fool is the balance of a complete Magus!
Forget it, you spoke, validating yourself.
'Til a recent confusion blows over, I've restricted my comments,
in respect to Marabus, and s.a. teachings.
My first vocational study was as a Psychiatrist!
Didn't last long, guess why?
Any road up, no doubt we'll chat later.
Serenity- One<>All
888
Topic Jnana posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 05, 2008 at 05:47 PM
Hi Paul,
Fascinating. Not heard of this before.
'To the secret of all creation, I follow my own trail like a dog.'
(Steppenwolf) Close approximation? A bit course.
I'll ponder, before making further comment.
Best Wishes,
One<>All
888
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Topic Forum posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 05, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Dear All,
I have just read a plethora of emails, written by forum users,
privately, and notifications, not all of which are posted; i.e.
deleted.
I must state that-This is not my forum, essentially, it is Frater Marabus's.
Frater m has views which are, unusual, however, with respect, I shall
simply not discuss 'the offending article.'I believe strongly-
'Do what thou will' :Act as the true will dictates. Therefore, I will
not confuse orbits, and respect s.a's will. However: Common Knowledge:
Yes, it is common knowledge that marbus is a goetic demon.
Whether I have knowledge of this demon is irrelevent.
Again, common knowledge; to deny the demonic world, however it is viewed, is to validate it's existance.
Those are my final comments on this matter.
Contact, if you will, s.a. for further understanding.
Please, write to the forum, not my email, RE: The reasons given.
Thankyou
888
Topic ??? posted by Frator A'Ain User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 08:33 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Do What Thou Will shall be the Whole of the Law
A new visitor, does marabus mean the negative elements of the dweller on the threshold, or shadow?
All occult schools we know of, consider the Qlippoth as something very different.
We also cannot understand the paradox, 'believe only what you experience, trust in us???
Even the shells have independent existance, being malevolent shades. Has
the writer misunderstood? If not, I cannot this system, none of us
could. However, I was curious, now I know.
Love is The Law, Love under Will.
[Infoburst: The statement 'Believe only in what you yourself experience'
is the first law of the occult. And we are not getting into an
incestuous intellectual debate on Existentialism here. The statement
means 'Take everything you hear with a pinch of salt until you have
proven it yourself'. Test even the most obvious statements, including
this one. This shiboleth should particularly be applied to your
statement 'all occult schools we know of see this differently'. I deduce
from one of Luck9's latest comments above about his 'adept' packing-in
magic after getting married that the thread he generated is a classic
example of an earnest beginner becoming totally mislead by NAN and then
magnifying that error by creating a thread here in which forum users
made the mistake of assuming he was referring to somebody who really
knew what they were talking about. All true initiates know that it is
not possible for an adept to 'pack-in' his magick just as it is not
possible for a human to stop breathing!. If you want to start a debate
on the meaning and practical application of the Qlippoth then please
begin another thread. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Demonic entities. posted by Paul User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 07:12 PM
Hi 888
Jnana/Gnana. It is Knowledge Yoga. 'I AM THAT' is a good book of this by
a Jnani ('Knower' is a rough translation). In relation to this, I am
also interested in the connection between Celts and Hindus (If you are
interested, I suggest some of Peter Beresford Ellis' articles in regards
to this). So I, maybe incorrectly, see some Hindu Teachers/Gurus as
modern day version of Druids. :)
The idea of this system is that you become United with the
Cosmos/Absolute through knowledge. One method, which you may be familiar
with, is to continually ask "what am I?" or "who am I?" and gradually
work back until you find the source.
Hope this gives some insight :)
All the best
Paul
Topic RE: Realities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 03:40 PM
....and he also said that he had read Crawley and had been for some
years on the path of the ego...........but he has now given all of this
up since he got married but has still kept his books etc......
Hope this clarifies things. I would really appreciate your input as I now feel like a complete fool!
Topic RE: Realities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 03:33 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:15 AM
That is fine. I have no problem stating my interest. A friend of mine
who is a Psychiatrist practicing in Germany is claiming that he studied
tantric sex & sex magic for some years and then carried out certain
rituals with women at certain times of the year to raise energy and ALSO
FOR HIS OWN INCREASED SEXUAL PLEASURE. At first, I thought he was
joking, but he has now repeated his claims. Frankly, I was too
embarassed to question him and make myself look really ignorant. So
either there is some truth in what he says, or he is a total mindf**k
& is making a fool of me?? Which is it?
[Infoburst: Okay, now we are getting somewhere. If this guy had been a
vacuum cleaner salesmen the likelihood is that you wouldn't have given a
second thought to his boasts but because you are in the thrall of
'expertise' you assume the man is talking fact when, in my judgement, he
is simply exaggerating his sexual exploits. It takes YEARS to build up a
proper tantric relationship with a partner - it's not something you
just DO. Applying tantric principles on one-night-stands may make the
sex more intriguing but it will not produce 'more power' or any NAN crap
of that kind, hence his opinions on the 'dangers' of sex magic are, as
is usual from pretenders and pseudos, a veil used to distance himself
from having to substantiate his claims. I think what you are trying to
ask is 'If I practice tantric magick is there a danger that I will
destroy myself?' The answer is that all people destroy themselves sooner
or later for at some time we all must die but sex magic is likely to
keep you alive much longer than, say, playing Cricket. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Demonic entities. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Hi Paul,
Oh yes, a thoroughly fascinating post. I shall re-read many times.
Thanks for your fresh, sharp perspective; You certainly explain yourself clearly.
Jyana etc.? I shall have a look, 'tis unknown to me.
Very interesting. Very. Glad I 'popped in!
Very Best Wishes,
888
4Denise ;-)
Topic RE: Realities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:23 PM
edited on October 03, 2008 at 03:34 PM
12 entries back....someone called Anon said how pleasurable sex magick
was but mentioned that he felt an entity was feeding off his energy and
he felt it was dangerous etc.....he appears to have been a Priest
performing magikcal rights etc at certain times of year etc........and
this is what I was refering to in my post...........so, is raising
energy in this way, dangerous or not?
I assume tantric sex practices take years of study and training?? and
when one has mastered them, one is then an "initiate" or "expert"?? Is
this correct?
[luck9, you are getting but you are not giving. I don't want anyone on
the forum to answer any of luck9's questions until he tells us why this
information is required and why it is so important for him. If he
doesn't want to discuss the matter on the forum then he should write to
me at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
Topic RE: Demonic entities. posted by Paul User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 01:38 PM
Hi 888,
I didnt think any of your initial reply was stupid! Lol
I have a hardback copy of Magick (through SA). Crowley is one of the
first characters a newbie comes across, so (20 years or so back!), I
studied some of his writings, and practised too for a little while,
before being led into Satanism. The correspondences put me off (I did
have 777 as well as some of Kenneth Grants books).
Just as you say, I appreciate that as Occultists/Seekers we are all
looking at the same phenomena (to generalise) from our own perspective.
You may indeed be correct and perhaps there are spirits etc with their
own objective existence just as I believe I am a real person. However,
speaking of myself: When I think about it, I see no tangible person that
exists. Instead I can perceive (when I am not being a mindless
automaton) myself more of an illusion comprised of different aspects:
body, thoughts, emotions. Thought and emotion are more often imitated
than emanate from within me. There is something deeper within me (I AM),
but this also is not separate but is a part of something Greater (I
speak from experience not book learning). Hence, I can be logically
deduced to be 1) not a fixed real person and 2) to be continually
changing (food, changes body etc) then this leads to my conclusion that
all is energy and nothing really has its own existence, even though you
read what I write and others listen to what I say etc.
So, I wonder, if I can see the illusion of my own being, then what is the reality behind spirits etc? ¿
Hopefully this explains my views a little clearer.
At the moment I am more inclined towards Jnana Yoga. Particularly the
teachings of Nisargadatta (I AM THAT) I find that it fits well with DL
in regards to my own path. Other than this, I am interested further in
forms of trance (chant, sex).
Regards
Paul
Topic RE: Demonic entities. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Hi Paul,
Thanks Mate! Straight talk, truth, easy to mesh concepts.
Me, I study all paths, I enjoy what I've found in Dark Lilly.
But Thelema is my 'language', I have deep resonances with those Gods.
What, I wonder did you make of the rest of the writing?
I kinda expect you to be whirled around a bit, maybe think;' That's
crap, that's stupid, hmm, might be something worth thinking about,
truthfully.
Might I ask, any plans for further study? I'm getting into Enochia,
can't comment yet, not enough experience. I've been looking at Austin
Osman Spare, again. When I first obtained his stuff, I couldn't get much
from it. Chaos magick apparently was heavily influenced by him. I
flicked through 'The Anathema of Zos'
this morning, WOW, he knew how to explain mans lower nature, making my observations pallid in comparison!
Please, don't consider me feeling offended, I like a proper chat!
Take care Mate,
888
Topic RE: Demonic entities. posted by Paul User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 09:37 PM
Hi Babalon,
Thanks for your perspective.
We are of course constantly moving on, even if it doesn't always look like it!
Just as you are a Thelemite, I think I will always have DL teachings as
part of me :) Nothing wrong or bad in this, it is my path.
But, so you know now, I have no interest in Thelema to be honest, it
just is not where I am or where I know I am going :) No offense to you
and your path, if the cap fits etc :)
All the best
Paul
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Topic RE: Demonic entities. posted by Paul User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 07:46 PM
Not sure exactly where to put in my own perspective...
I think that deities, demons, gods et al are in essence energy that my
mind 'dresses up' as malevolent or benevolent. When I was working in LHP
system, I had energies whirling around my Bedroom/Temple. One night
this manifested as a giant spider (this is all astral not physical!). I
see this as an example of my mind dressing up a form of energy into a
shape that I subconsciously fear.
(My view is based on the Dark Lily system)
Topic RE: Demonic entities. posted by luck9 User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 06:08 PM
edited on October 03, 2008 at 03:29 PM
I want to sincerely and respectfully thank B888 for his replies.
I have to be honest and say that I know nothing of demons/hell etc but I
was very shocked to learn about Qlipah's etc. I must point out that
Anon described HIS FRIEND'S experiences, not his own, so perhaps he
should be VERY WARY OF THIS SO-CALLED FRIEND??
From your experiences, what do you feel? Could Anon, unwittingingly, be
being made a fool of by his friend? Is his friend actually
evil/nasty/corrupted to be saying such worrying things to him? Anon is
obviously very concerned & scared, which is why he has written for
advice in the first place!
So,What is your advice?
[Infoburst: My advice is not to believe anything that you do not
yourself experience first hand. When pretenders in the occult run out of
their limited amount of knowledge they often either make it up to avoid
embarrassment or go off on a flight of Yesodic fantasy to pander to the
worst fears of the people who are daft enough to listen to them.
Marabas teaches that Qlippothic entities are simply the unbound negative
aspects of one's own personality and meeting one accidentally is a sure
sign that there is a distinct lack of initiatehood and occult
development. Trust in the people you know - trust in the S.A. If Luck9
is having problems listening to idiots he should save himself a lot of
grief and write direct to Marabas about it for a DEFINITIVE response -
this forum is not a teach-in for people who haven't yet supported the
S.A. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Demonic entities. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 04:09 PM
Hi Every One, What a glorious, sunny day!
In contrast, my final words on this subject, are to clarify points, for anyone whose been observing.
It appears that I've blurred lines between demonic types:
The Qlippoth, is the Hebrew name for the hells, and the inhabitants;Qlipah, singular.
A shell, is the cast off vehicle of a man whose life has been 'evil' in the normal sense, e.g. a paedophile murderer.
These entities, have a trace of conciosness, like a smear of holy oil,
left in the shell, that's all. A sort of automaton, not very bright:
They will/do drain certain energies from the living, to prolong their
'existance'. If you notice one, see which magick will banish, or,
destroy! Do us all a favour, and cleanse the place, every little helps!
Example of a different type of demon. They eject the soul, and drain
energies from the body. Their form suggests they were once human, with
magical knowledge. However, they posess the organ that gods, all spirits
posess. One theory is that they were high catholic priests, who avoided
judgement, knowing the inevitable outcome!A Goetic demon, reads your
mind, these, different types, seem commited to various types of evil. My
Guru had one sent after him, by a black lodge, who wanted rid of him.
Myself, I banished the offending article, as a teenager. Some years
later, stronger, refined, I dove into hell, and caught the 'thing',
getting its name, by applying Holy names; I chained it, and looked at my
dictionary of demons, which I'd not read, so I couldn't delude myself. I
found it: 'One of the 5 demons most responsible for posession in the
1500's.' Well, well. I had a chip on my shoulder, 'cos of 'it', and had
eradicated every demon I could find, leading to a fascinating discovery,
at the bottom of Hell. (Another time, I'll explain my findings)
Conclusion: 'anon' may be a qlipah in the making, but his masters, are
likely to be as described. 'Playing with fire?' There's more,
yet I never would have explained this much, except that events provoked it. I'm saying no more.
If you, the average aspirant, follow the admirable OEXP's,for I, am not a
natural Teacher, Fr. Marabus is an excellent Teacher, such Art!- and
study-practice, you'll overcome these little obstacles.
I hope this knowledge serves you well.
Laughter, Joy and Holiness! Now, you're a little more clued in!
Serenity-One>All
888
Topic give Anon a break!! c'mon guys........ posted by luck9 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 01:27 PM
edited on October 02, 2008 at 10:35 AM
you are being REALLY harsh on the poor guy.
As far as I can understand he just wrote about an experience a friend of
his has had.........and was asking the forum, whether this could
actually be possible?! or was it just mumbojumbo?
What is the big deal? It was only a stupid question!
[Infoburst: This thread involves really BIG questions about the human
condition and the bigger the questions the more easily are they open to
misinterpretation. Anon may not be aware of the initiated implications
of the questions he posted and other posters may have gone off at a
tangent based on a different assumption. The problem does not lie in the
questions per se, but in the LACK OF DETAIL in the questions. Whenever
you find a controversy occurring in this forum you will invariably see
it stemming from unformed and partial questions. As Marabas always says.
The Question is often more important than the answer. The Secrets of
the Universe are secrets only because the right questions have not yet
been asked. Contributors should try to give as much detail as possible
when asking for help/advice to ensure they are not misunderstood. Forum
regulars were right to question Anon's comments. Anon should have come
back at them with corroboration and further detail and luck9 cannot
fight his battles for him for the same reasons. Until Anon does
substantiate we shall have to move on. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: SexMagick posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 08:57 PM
Yes Anne B.;
I figured this post could have come from several angles, including a
'wind up' by a sick person,. And yet, for those who can hear, a valuable
warning has been issued.
As a Teen, I was used by an entity as described, which formed a lot of my personality.
I would not have mentioned this aspect, as it might provoke 'paranoia'.
However warped 'anon' is, He's alerted people to the the savage truth.
Serenity-One>All.
Topic RE: SexMagick posted by AnnB User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 08:23 PM
Dear old Anon you really are playing with fire aren't I dont for one
moment believe anyone can be so ridiculous hidng behind the computer
There are folks that can trance and picture you so stop being so silly
and enjoying winding up people who are genuine and are only trying to
help someone who knows exactly what theyre doing
Topic RE: Sex Magic posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 23, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Dear 'SPIRITS FEEDING SHOUTS A LOT', anon.
So, you observe your energy being drained, and declare you can't do any
thing. And thats it? Bend over? You've enough Spirit light,
to be nutritious, yet have neither wit nor will to help yourself.
You are a 'happy meal on legs' for some damned demon, and you won't
defend yourself. For those who may benefit: Standard example: You are
located; by your auric light, by vampire. He enters your body easily,
you have not performed the Banishing ritual, raised shields. It ejects
you from your physical body, and you may fly,'000h nice' or "float in
ecstacy above my body," as written in B. Stokers Dracula. I, for One,
would turn back to my earth body, and dive upon the demon lying in it,
absobing my body energies into itself. Unable to be blessed with the
light of God, such a creature exists on digestible human energies. Grasp
him, rise rotating the demon anti-clock wise-banishing, vibrating The
Holy name/s of God. This causes pain to the entity, unable to bear 'Sun
light. It is Banished;Thereby. Or use distance banishing on
Etheric/astral with pentagram, as described in post below.
Or evoke it, if able, to bind and banish. Later, catch it in Hell, get
it's NAME, and, as a young magician, CONTROL. ; RAISE YOUR WILL for your
Heavens sake! Control this demon, stop it using you!
I suggest:-contact S.A. when able... If you have the will to practise magickal defense.
Such are the words.
Serenity-One/All.
888
Topic RE: Lol posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 23, 2008 at 02:06 AM
Yes, Ricenpeas, I understand your well put structure, Demonology,
facinating.
I left a forum full of armchair Magicians, E.G. Of conversation:- "My
three systems in a book, can fit your systems, so there are two distinct
types of demon, the 'shells' and the 'Goetia'."
"Exactly, we have solved the puzzle." "Oh jolly well done"
It was awkward saying-" Yes. The systems overlay realities. If you got
up and did some Magick, rather than balding, as you ramble on, and on,
You would dicover other forms of demon, as in 'Legions of'
An astonishing range of type, raison d'etre, age, family, known history.
They vary in intelligence, age and nature. 'Demon est Deus inversus'.
These must be mastered-banished; before Magick proper may commence.
Train well Warrior-Priest/ess, rule your path well.
They will do all possible, to shock, horrify and frighten you, for this is meat to certain types. Fear is your only real enemy.
When meeting an entity, appearing as your best friend, perhaps:-)
Ask their NAME, if It's 'Nigel', theyll mumble a wrong :-(
approximation, or display other chicanery. Love; The holy Names of God,
hurt them. Trace a pentagram, upright, upon their breast area, aim wand
at centre and virate, boom: as you will, a Holy name of God, or several
Holy names, until it is blown away! Banished!(-: The Tetragrammaton
tends to do the job:-)
Enjoy The Ride,
One and All,
888
Topic Lol posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 06:13 PM
edited on September 19, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Your presenteing yourself as an idiot Annon. Though I doubt I can change
that I can expose your superstion as childish thinking by building a
rough, rational, model which you can grasp.
Whenever we reach a sate of ecstacy our subconsious mind becomes
suggestable. When we fantasise in a suggestable state we can become
"possesd" by an idea. Keep feeding this idea and you have a problem,
especialy if its not a sociably exeptable one. This happens all the time
to lots of different people in all walks of life. In Magick we learn to
manage our ideas through study and experience so we dont fall into the
pitfalls of being eaten by our own ideas.
This is a very base approach and as has been pointed out, Demons dont
like to be called "ideas", but it carry the point thats its better to
Know Thyself than not.
Ricenpeas
[Well Said!]
Topic RE: Sex Magic posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 04:50 PM
edited on September 19, 2008 at 03:43 PM
no.........the spirits FEED OFF OF YOUR SEXUAL ENERGY AND RITUAL
EFFORTS.........you cannot control them.......I know someone who says he
experienced this and he felt "controlled" by an outside force/ energy
but that IT WAS EXTREMELY PLEASURABLE.....HEAVENLY
[INFOBURST: Will contributors PLEASE make up a pseudonym for themselves
instead of putting in 'anonymous' or leaving it blank - which by default
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Topic RE: SexMagick posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 04:47 PM
what on earth is succubi ?? how do you know if you have met one? are
they evil?? what prevents them feeding off of you/your energy??
Topic SexMagick posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 01:12 PM
Marabas gives instructions in the Chaosphere CD for using solo sex to
launch into the Void. It has a strong platform so no risk of succubi.
Ricenpeas
Topic Sex Magick. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 13, 2008 at 02:46 AM
Dear O.T.O.,
Could you please make a decision as to how to answer the numerous questions on this forum, concerning Sex Magick?
These meanderings, as though through a maze, are growing, tiresome. Surely, action should be taken.
Perhaps you can make comment, the Adept, or close, will understand? I've
subty explained it, (Not The Bud), but obviously, not clearly enough.
So, Please, browsing O.T.O.: Ponder? As you will.
YITGW. Respect to All.
Topic RE: Sex Magic posted by Paul User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 01:25 PM
I am not at all an adept of sex magic(k) but have had some little
experience. (My self-education in this is from the Left Hand Path
teachings of the Society of Dark Lily. )
I recall something from the Dark Lily (DL) journals on the
Topic of Sex Magic(k). The Adept of DL said that sex does not
necessarily have to be located between your legs. He was implying that a
person can be celibate (through personal choice) and use the energy
that would otherwise be used in sex for other things. For example, I
tried some celibacy and found I was writing more.
Another aspect was concerning the term 'Know Thyself'. DL suggested that
the individual try all forms of sexuality (within reason and as long as
the person is comfortable in such experimentation) in order to be sure
what mode of sexuality the person is best suited to.
I think Denise answered this question quite well, when she said that
"Most initiates use Sex Magic because it gives easy access to the most
powerful trance state a human can experience." This seems to be exactly
what Dark Lily were saying.
Just the world from my window! :)
Regards to all.
Paul
Topic Taboo: Sex Magic book posted by Michael User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 09:17 AM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:21 PM
For a good overview of sex magick I can recommend reading the book
TABOO: Sex, Magick and religion if still available from SA, by
Hyatt, Duquette and RA.Wilson.
Michael.
[Infoburst: Taboo is temporarily out of print but the reprint
will appear in our booklist soon as fresh stocks arrive. BB Denise W.]
Topic sex with spirits posted by sillything. User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Incubus succubus, the child who is always hungry yet can never be satisfied.
Topic Sex Magic posted by Adeptwannabe User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Sex with spirits impossible eh? Then what about Donald Tysons Sexual
Alchemy book then,sounds a convincing read to me and Im sure Marabas
must have heard of him.
Topic Sex Magic etc. posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Hail and,temporarily, farewell. (I'm physically moving around for a
while.) To clarify last statement; I've been with S.A. nearly 3 decades.
Always an excellent aid in my journey. I do not claim to be of Frater
Marabus's stature, I am not a Teacher. I have learned much, and, in my
own, secret way, am an initiated Adept. The more 'armchair magicians' I
find, the more I realise the Truth in Fr. Marabus's statement "One of
The Few truly initiated Adepts."
He most certainly is That! And more, yet He prefers His privacy
nowadays, I'll say no more. Many years ago, I pledged allegiance, and
that remains. I write, in gratitude, as, in my growth, S.A. have
always provided for my needs, however seemingly obscure, E.G.
:-)Liber Aleph vel cx1, & incense : Babalon; "Certainly." Arrival
within days! I reccomend S.A. for all your needs, E.G: be they Enochian,
or of La Veys path, your needs will be met.
May All Attain. Enjoy your summer!
Topic Sex Magic posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Hi. I doubt I can ever withdraw affiliation: After nearly 30 years with
S.A. the last time I saw Frater Marabus, as Astral, He is like
a brother; 'AS Kings ye are, as Kings fight ye.' We're so linked,
I practically grew up with Him, how can I seperate? It's a good
place to be. Le Olahm. Amen.
Topic RE: SEX & magic posted by Skryer User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 06:53 PM
No offence intended, but I have to conceed some people may have no sence
of humour, or are easily offended. God gives nuts to those with no
teeth - Arab proverb ... Fate is cruel!!!
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Topic RE: Sex Magick. posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 12, 2008 at 03:18 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 09:02 AM
Apollogies, ego dead long time; vehicle transmits fom above abyss.
I do not understand /remember 'sense of humour.'
Associate insists as joke, you meant:" Stick your c*** up your own arse, as You are lying."
I withdraw affiliation.
Topic SEX & magic posted by Skryer User
posted on May 02, 2008 at 12:01 AM
edited on May 16, 2008 at 03:38 PM
Seeing that you like confucius jokes...
Foolish man give wife grand piano, wise man give wife upright organ.
Man who fishes in other man's well often catches crabs.
It take many nails to build crib but one screw to fill it.
Man who marries girl with no bust have right to feel low down.
Woman who go camping must beware of evil intent.
State of pregnancy exist when woman takes seriously something poked in
fun. Man who bounce woman on bedspring this spring, have offspring next
spring. Virgin like balloon:one prick, all gone.
BB
[Infoburst: Well Skryer, Some would say you are mysoginist, chauvenist,
and unconsciously racist ... but I like you! In the interests of balance
perhaps some clients of oriental descent would care to counter with a
few well-placed stereotypes about white men and small willies? Denise
W.]
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Karen User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 03:07 PM
Sorry, Denise; I guess I should have said "so-called 'temple
prostitution'." Gosh knows what they actually called sacred sexuality in
ancient times. I only wish I could find more accurate information on
ancient tantra or sex magick as practiced in religious settings, info
that is not filtered through modern preconceptions. Oh, for an
honest-to-goodness time machine, complete with multilingual
translator...
Topic RE: Sex Magick. posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 03:03 PM
Well I don't know Draconuit, you were the one who started joking about
this subject with Karen. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw
stones unless they have a good sense of humour yes? Now..... did I tell
you the one about the 13 inch pianist?
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Sex Magick. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Sorry, Denise, I don't know what you're tying to say. A joke? Like
ego/flesh penis joke? Please explain yourself that i might respond.
Topic RE: Sex Magick. posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 08:12 AM
Hi Draconuit - If you'be been practising sex magic for 30 years you must
be slow on the uptake - have you not found out where to put it yet? ;-)
BB Denise W.
Topic Sex Magic. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 06:09 PM
Exactly, Denise, this is not the place to talk of the excitatation of
the wheels, disclosing the (For Thelemites) ultimate power openly has
proven disasterous, repeatedly. Even on our thelemite(=Sex Magician)
esoteric sites, we don't discuss it.
It's a private teaching, It is at the forefront of 'New Aeon' thinking,
whereas, as Frater Marabus points out, we are still very much in the
thrall of 'old Aeon' thinking.
It's good that this thread exists at all, 30 years ago it was unheard
of, to openly discuss it! Things are gradually evolving.The
thing that makes this site fascinating to me, is its unique eclectic
approach; anything goes. Have a good one! Best 'o' luck to all of Ye!
Topic Sex Magick. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 04:25 PM
A practising Sex Magician of 30 years, I thought a joke might spice up this thread.
It worked, a bit.
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Denise W User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Ignore Draconuit Karen - he obviously never gets any sex so wouldn't
know whether it was rubbish or not. The general answer to your question
is straightforward. Marabas teaches that sex-enery IS life energy
(Chi/Qi/Prana/Odic Force - call it what you will) and thus sex can be
used to increase the flow of Chi to heal oneself and others. Most humans
are so emotionally crippled over sex by the Xists puritanical control
mechanisms that they unconsciously retard their own Chi energy. I am not
advocating sixties free-love, but a balanced understanding of one's own
sexual energy and how it flows. It's YOUR body, not theirs.
According to M there are a number of techniques which can be used to
direct this energy, before, during and after climax but this is a public
forum and not the place for exactitudes of this nature because it's
portent is SO powerful that discussing the truth about it will bring the
entire edifice of Xist opprobrium down upon the head of anyone who
dares - hence the existence of the term 'temple prostitution' which you
used unthinkingly. A nice piece of verbal restraint from the Xists that
one!
If you want to know what Marabas teaches on this Karen then you can
always pay for his time (see
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/enquire.htm). BB Denise W.
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Karen User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:34 AM
Are you sure? How do you know? What is your own understanding/perception of these areas? Just wondering...
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Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Draconuit. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:03 AM
No. It's all rubbish.
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Karen User
posted on April 04, 2008 at 05:56 AM
Tantra and sex magick are things I've been curious about for a long time
now; but finding comprehensible information about either has been a bit
of a challenge for me. A lot of books and websites involving tantric
sex are written so "esoterically" as to be practically gibberish (or
else they talk about little beyond a variety of sexual positions). Ditto
for resources about sex magick.
Is it true that people use sex magick to gather and focus energy on
goals, or for healing purposes? Is it true that solo sex can be used for
these and similar purposes? Can it involve mystical union with one's
concept of Divinity? Are there parallels to ideas of love and mystical
union in Sufism and western mystical traditions? Is there any accurate
information at all out there as to what ancient "temple prostitution"
was really about? For that matter, are there literary or online
resources about any or all of these matters, which are written in plain
English (or whatever one's vernacular tongue happens to be)? I'm not at
all fluent in Sanskrit, after all. Thanks in advance for any tips anyone
can suggest...
--Karen
Topic Sex Magick. posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on March 24, 2008 at 01:12 AM
Invert sex force, try withdrawing anus in as idea. Focus orgasm on
breast chakra, have orgasm in chest without coming. Then throat. Then third eye.Practise 'til you can have...
At this point, Thelemite 8 dissapeared, never to be found>>>>>>>>>>>>>........
Topic RE: WHAT EXACTLY do I posted by ISAAC User
posted on March 14, 2008 at 02:28 PM
I AM VERY SORRY.........what I meant was what magical potions/workings/books do I need to perform sex/tantric magic?
Did not mean to be stupid.
Topic RE: WHAT EXACTLY do I posted by Denise W User
posted on February 15, 2008 at 08:22 AM
We don't mind basic beginners questions on this forum but we do expect
people to think twice before posting unthinking ones. Unless you are a
paraplegic you already have exactly what you need Isaac! BB Denise W
Topic WHAT EXACTLY do I posted by Isaac A. User
posted on February 14, 2008 at 04:07 PM
need to perform sex magick?
Which is the best method? Is it on the main website?
Topic RE: DANNY'S WANGER ! posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 11, 2008 at 05:02 PM
I agree. This is the best thread on the forum!
Topic RE: DANNY'S WANGER ! posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 07, 2008 at 09:54 PM
It would seem that the vicar of Dibley disapproves of Hmmm's saucey hankypanky!
Given the initial question put to the forum, I feel Danny's input was
rather on target! If Hmmm is experiencing group sex fantasies, then
Danny is showing a correct perspective:even if this is unpopular with
the over sensitive and the easily offended!
Let's hope that a decent shag comes out of all of this!
Topic PLEASE DELETE DANNY'S STUPIDITY ! posted by To: Denise, please, please User
posted on February 04, 2008 at 03:28 PM
it drags the tone down.............
Topic RE: Sex Magick. posted by feeorin User
posted on February 03, 2008 at 02:56 PM
hi all,
In fear of putting my foot well and truely in it! ive loved reading this
thread! and just to throw in my worth... i practice sex magic with my
partner, and i have had nothing but excellent results from it!{blushing
here} the only danger i can percieve with sex magic is that of emotional
attachment... meaning that u go through something very personal when
having sex (not true for all ppl but true for most) emotions can get
tangled up.... when practicing sex magic its even more personal, so my
only suggestion would be not to practice it with just anyone when first
learning it, cause the fall out may not be what you expect!
feeorin xx
ps. just a note.... nothing wrong with learning to practice it on ur own! ;)
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Topic RE: Sex Magick. posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 05:30 PM
I, Thelemite 8,writer of the previous entry, will state that althogh the 'flavour' of the writing below is that of an O.T.O
mantra, I am not affiliated with the o.t.o, or Thelemic Gnostic church in any way. One has a personal need to clarify that.
For if the fates weave the apparell, does not one's expression, All in All, provide the measure?
Topic Sex Magick. posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 01:27 PM
edited on January 29, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Greetings Lucky; Very Briefly, people practise sex magick, with a
partner or solo in order to raise and channel latent forces. The O.T.O
guard this, almost jealously, as it is the fastest, most direct, most
powerful, and most dangerous method of magick available.
One cannot reccomend it, wholeheartedly, to anyone below Adeptus Minor.
Manuscripts, possibly of The Knights Templar, were gathered together by a
German sister of O.T.O, in the late 1800's, it was realised that here
was the secret of the Alchemists. One must be thoroughly in control of
one pointedness, for a deviant thought at the crucial moment, rather
than, say, incarnating an Holy energy, or God, may make manifest a
monster. The technique is astoundingly simple. As so much care has been
taken to protect this Magick, I
suggest that any aspirant simply wait, mature, when intuition, coupled
with, perhaps, a previously obscure sounding pamphlet, will
show you the technique in serene simplicity. It is not my place to
distribute such information 'en masse'. This is probably the response
you will recieve from others in the 'know.' Patience. study. To all
things their season.
[NAN ALERT! NAN ALERT! Nah, can't have this Thelemite8 - in this Forum
you gotta get at the kernel of the truth - minus the fuffle dust. Most
of what you say is right but then you jumped off a cliff. Most initiates
use Sex Magic because it gives easy access to the most powerful trance
state a human can experience. That's IT. The rest is cosmic foo foo. Sex
is the most natural experience and it is NOT 'the most dangerous
method'. How can it be? Obtaining trance by ingesting Amanita - now
that's dangerous - but sex is what we were made for so stop frightening
people off doing it - you are beginning to sound like a vicar. BB Denise
W.]
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by lucky User
posted on January 16, 2008 at 02:33 PM
please would you kindly tell me, why do people carry out sex magick? for
what purpose? how exactly is it different from normal sex?
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Darorder User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Hi all.This will be the last time i will write,on this forum with my
views.I feel my views are a bit out of the box,for most people on the
forum,and im very much misunderstood on what i say and It has nothing to
do with anybody else on the forum.The reason is me,i just dont belong
here,as my practies of magic are not of wicca but of country folk
magic.And i dont think my views would help anybody in the forum.Thanks
for taking the time to read my views.Take care and blessings Chris.
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 09:27 PM
edited on January 18, 2008 at 04:51 PM
Hi again,and i will explain what i said.For starters i did not mean that
astral sex was the dark side or drawing energy from sex was bad
either.But sex with spirits of old artful could cause possession and
mental illness,and there are some people that still pratice this art of
having sex in some cunning folk orders.And by the way i dont have sex
with spirts.I just meant it is dangerous to do so.Plus i dont know what
other people practise on the forum,and there could be some cunning folks
of old witchcraft orders that might still practise having sex with
spirits.Thats way i put it down as the dark side of magic.Blessings
Chris
[DENISE ANSWERS: You can't get away with talking balls on this forum
Chris. If you've never had sex with a spirit how do you know it sends
you mad? The intellectual rigour required on the SAEF is far and away
above the Yesodic flights of fancy which are common on most other occult
forums. The idea is to improve the argument not deflate debate. Marabas
says that in a lifetime of experimenting with the occult and with what
is probably the widest spread of contact amongst all occultists world
wide he doesn't know of any group, witchcraft or otherwise which has
ever had sex with spirits now or in the past - it's barmy to even
consider it. What would be the purpose Chris? Tell me why you think
someone would want to 'have sex with a spirit' BB D]
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 06:22 PM
edited on January 15, 2008 at 03:08 PM
Well,well,this is a intresting subject.My view is that sex magic is
important in the confines of ritual,not in orgies.Orgies can be used in
ritual,but everyone involved should be aware of the outcome,of the
rite,and understand what they are there for.Maybe you should pratice
astral sex instead,or sex with a spirit.These can be most powerfull for
your out come of the rite,but there are dangers to this,and you must be
very experience in magic and understand the consequences of your
actions.If you intend on this kind of pratice you will be going into the
dark side of magic and all kinds of things can go wrong.Good luck and
take care.Blessings Chris.
[N.A.N. Alert! N.A.N. Alert! Almost every single creature on the planet
procreates as often as possible. DarkOrder will have to explain how
doing that will somehow involve a person in the 'Dark Side' of magic -
whatever that is! Come on 'Chris' explain how and when you last had sex
with a spirit.... or is that the only sex you could get ;-) Denise W. ]
Topic RE: More tea vicar !? posted by lucky User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:44 PM
could someone please explain to me what exactly is sex magic? is it
rituals? what is the purpose of it? is it just recreational? is there an
entity involved alongside the man and woman?
Topic More tea vicar !? posted by holierthanthou User
posted on January 03, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Hilarious but quite interesting to see the different reactions to this
Topic. It seems that the original querent is suffering some kind of
personal dilemma ( Probably far more common these days than our prudes
would have us believe? )and that it has solicited a mixture of
responses! I do not see why Danny is wrong, anymore than the average
person who has these fantasies but is unable to do anything about them.I
also cannot see why he should be called Shaitan!
What are the causes? Diet is probably something to do with it but I
would hazard that exposure to his sort of thing on television is also
responsible.We have to accept that what were once deviant forms of
sexuality are now more mainstream, and it would seem that they are
becoming MORE mainstream.
Do we have all the answers? Are we learning the answers through
experience? Hmmm has a healthy dilemma in this liberated age. Is anyone
able to offer some constructive support or advice like Denise or do you
just want to condemn people for their problems or preferences?
I think he just needs to make up his mind one way or the other. He could
try it to find out he hates it or otherwise. Probably a safer course is
to accept it as a fantasy and to enjoy it privately.
Topic it would be great if infantile posted by luckylady User
posted on January 03, 2008 at 03:09 PM
edited on January 15, 2008 at 02:34 PM
comments such as Danny's could be DELETED..........this is a serious forum.
[Denise Replies: I agree with you Lucky Lady and I am sorry if 'Danny's'
comments have upset you. I thought about editing out his vulgarity but
as the rest of his contribution shows that he is familiar with the
occult I thought it best to leave his daft comments in the thread
enshrined forever as an indication of his lack of focus - until he
realises how inane he has been and apologises for them. BB Denise W]
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 08:25 AM
You havn't got a clue as to the true working of sex MAGICK, have you.
Thank Shaitan for that!
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Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by danny User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 03:08 AM
Phwaaaaw! This is getting me as stiff as a board!!! Please Hmmm! Let me
know MORE! Mmm!Oh!No!Yes!!Wphwaar!I'm serious!I know exactly what you
are talking about!And may I say, only we know what we are talking
about,because it happens at a post OUTER level! As soon as one
progresses beyond the 'normal' then things seemingly -to our moral
senses - apparently abnormal desires become quite easy to incorporate
into our lives ( This has always been hinted at with sex magick being
the preserve of the 'highest' order; when this seems, on face value, to
be the realm of the neophyte or probationer - but it is not!!).To sum
up, the neophyte is far purer than the adept:the difference is that the
adept knows it and the neophyte knows it not!
There is absolutely nothing wrong with group sex.It is normal and
natural.It is the way we were designed to be! Your greatest challenge is
finding the right people to accomodate your particular ideas, because
we are all different.The word 'gang' tempts us into thinking that a
group particularism is the way forward! So what are you into? More girls
than boys or the OTHER way around? I know where - if you wil excuse the
pun - you are coming from!!Haha!
BB
Good luck
dirty danny
Go for it! People begging for what you have got ( I think?).
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Hmm User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 11:13 PM
Thank you,
Some good advice. I am aware that I would be unlikely to find it in an
average witchcraft coven. I have experimented with sex magick and this
is my point! It is just the group sex idea and not the magick that is
playing havoc with my libido - or the libido is playing havoc with my
ideas!
I will take note of the thing about yang foods and work on my
equalibrium but this will not be the first time! I remember watching
some heavy porn in my teens ( very little since ) and this may have
something to do with it? Using Marabas' hypnosis tapes maybe an idea.
On the other hand I could try the swing thing - problem is I think I am
very fussy and my fantasies are quite particular! Hmm - some kind of
neurosis perhaps!
Thanx
Hmm!
Topic RE: SEX and Magick posted by Denise W User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 07:01 PM
Greetings Hmmm
Well if group sex is your thing there's plenty of swingers' forums on
the net - this is 2007 not the 1950s. However you will be sadly
disappointed if you think you are going to somehow get involved in it in
yer average witchcraft coven.
On the magical side the ramifications of sex magic are no
secret and any good book on Tantric or Taoist magic will illuminate you
to the methods - however none of these involve group sex but need a
serious long-term partnership between a man and a woman. If we take your
enquiry at face value then any change in your sexual preferences or
desires could quite easily be
the result of imbalancing Chi force (kundalini) through mis-managing
yogic and meditational methods. If so then harmonising yourself
regularly using the Sun and Moon breath and cutting out all Yang foods
in your diet will bring you back into control (if control is what you
want!).
There is nothing qlippothic about sexual activity per-se and it is
important not to confuse puritanical moral views on sexual 'norms' with
the magical exploration of one's inate sexuality. If you'll forgive the
pun the only way you are going to find out is to suck it and see.
BB
Denise W.
Topic SEX and Magick posted by hmmm User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 04:23 PM
I am a male magician that has practiced traditional magick for a long
time but these past few years I have been incredibly turned on to
straight group sex ideas! Does anyone know why this should be? These
fantasies just happened quite contrary to my personal expectations and
family background. I do not know whether to consider them as qlippothic
forces stulting an otherwise straightforward spiritual development or as
enlightening considerations and contemplations? Perhaps these thoughts
are natural but I don't know what to do about them.
What should I do?
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Topic RE: Shop threads removed posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 03:14 PM
edited on January 15, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Hi, Romancingthestone.
Sorry, don't quite understand this. We haven't removed any threads. If
you mean The Marabas and Cook Report James Whale Show Recordings and/or
Marabas, Cults Book Cook Report threads then they are still here on the
forum. The SAEF is set up to cycle the threads with the latest
contributions to the top of the pile so that frequent users can keep up
to date with proceedings more easily, so threads may not be on the same
page you saw them at before - but they should still be there. Check out
the Message Board Navigation links bottom right of the webpage to make
sure you can reach all the forums threads. Have a look and if you can't
find them let me know exactly what you mean and I will investigate. BB
Denise W.
Topic Shop threads removed posted by romancingthestone User
posted on January 13, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Why have you removed the postings and threads relating to the S.A shop?
Surely these were of interest to the readers of this forum?
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Topic RE: ? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on May 10, 2010 at 02:18 PM
edited on May 15, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Is a Black Brother only found in the LHP? My reading, not my experience
tells me that RHP and LHP have the same goals but go about it a
different way. They are both on a PATH to 0. Where as the seasoned Adept
turned Black Brother (maybe through fear of nothingness), has retracted
from there path.
Oyeah, what about Black Sisters, wheres the moral flogging for them?
Ricenpeas
[infoburst: Black Sisters - nice one ricenpeas ;-) . You've pointed out
the inevitable hypocrisy which attaches to dualistic thinking. How black
is black? Who has not done something in extremis which one now regrets?
Pretending to be thoroughly holy or unholy is not really possible. Most
satanists I know are animal-lovers (and I do not mean in a fricasee!).
Many self-righteous people are anally retentive. There are a few truly
evil people with criminal minds but who rarely have the intellect to
become a black or even a white brother. BB Denise W]
Topic ? posted by V User
posted on October 26, 2009 at 05:13 AM
No.
Topic RE: Black brothers. posted by Wolfie User
posted on October 14, 2009 at 06:13 PM
Interesting V. Using LHP terminology, a Black Brother is an Adept who
has reached Thaumiel and has finally decided that their goal is the
Ultimate goal of the LHP-in a word, Seperation. And that is who a
Thelemite refers to as a Black Brother?
Topic Black brothers. posted by Valazebek User
posted on October 14, 2009 at 02:09 AM
Dear Wolfie; so it would seem;
Indeed, 'tis said of the Supernal Region; that for a thing to exist; it contain its own complimentary opposite within itself.
Therefore; to perform The Rituals/Formulae correctly;One does 'burn off'
remaining Human karma; as One does inherit Universal Karma!
Much is said of this region as most desirable;
and, noting V's previous comment, this makes a mockery of Good' and 'Evil' concepts---
for there; these are merely terms to describe below Abyss phenomena.
Of The Black Brother: He may thrive awhile; but with The entire inertia of The Universe against him, his tower does crumble;
that He becomes as 'An eater of dung, in The Day of 'Be With Us''
That day being, when, The Universe has expanded to its max. potential; it does then contract, We; Gods, Angels, Spirits-ALL
ascending as One; into a period of Pralaya; The night of The Gods,
whilst the black brothers remains are strewn across The Abyss.
Then---After seven eternities, say The Secret Doctrines; a New
Universe is created: The breathing out, of Brahma.
Just a thought; May it be of interest.
Happy days, Magick Brothers/Sisters.
V
Topic RE: Black brothers. posted by Wolfie User
posted on October 13, 2009 at 08:03 PM
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law indeed.
Topic Black brothers. posted by Valazebek User
posted on October 11, 2009 at 06:22 PM
Dear denise;
I understand your comments.
I did wander into this site; due to an reference within a Thelemic channel.
Not realising there are many beginners here; V now feels morally
obliged to express His personal viewpoint; to clarify.
One may use Sorcery to win love etc. using The Four quarters;
This must lead to The Understanding of The 5th 'element':-spirit;
The pinnacle of The pentagram; that which governs and binds The four.
That One may embark on The journey to Self discovery; as an Adept:
having achieved union with Ones 'Holy guardian Angel'; The higher
self; The atman; The true soul, which is as a Star; with the
background of infinity; A lifetime well spent.
The Xstians regard this as Godhead-The nazarene myth only takes
us to Tiphareth, however.
The New age current, does allow access to The supernal Region:
The Adept Exemplis; does often become a great teacher;
E.G. McGregor Mathers; today Lon milo DuQuette; are such Adeptii.
However; some are destined to enter 'The Abyss'; where they do
gestate-emerging above the Abyss; unto Supernal Conciousness.
Rare are these few, There are those, who, realising this stage
of evolution destroys The ego-self, deny the Holy plan, and
build towers against The Powers of The supernals; retaining their
earthly powers; which are notable.
( As, is, for example, The vatican.)
These damned, potent Magicians, are The Black brothers.
They have been given The Ultimate choice;
and through weakness or intent, fallen to The dark side.
There is simply no relationship between these fellows,
and The Sorcerer.
V hopes that clears up the matter; though He had no intention of revealing such; on a beginers site.
Perhaps Denise can decide whether it should remain...
With Best wishes;
V.
Topic Making The Moment posted by Valazebek User
posted on September 30, 2009 at 12:41 AM
edited on October 06, 2009 at 08:23 AM
'Technicalities...
Heat is good for cofee;
Heat is evil for ice cream.
Beyond that;
In peaceful interest now;
The Crux-Which your response Will steer.
Making the Moment-
V.
[INFOBURST: No, we don't allow that kind of obfuscatory comment on this
forum. Enigma must be used only rarely and never if the adept can employ
ordinary language in its stead because beginners are viewing this
forum. If you have something to convey then please convey it. If you
don't know what to say, say you don't know what to say and let someone
else help you with it. I normally delete NAN instantly but will let this
one ride as an example to encourage others to make sense. BB DeniseW]
Topic RE: Sorcery posted by Denise W User
posted on September 29, 2009 at 09:08 AM
Me too Wolfie, Valazebeck seems to be contradicting himself and we are
back again to the dualistic nature of human thinking which always raises
its ugly head in debates about the left hand path. Obviously what
Valazebeck thinks the term Black Brother means is completely different
to what you and I think it means and for him there appears to be a
strong moral objection. Perhaps he would enlighten us a little on what
that is and, purely in the interests of debate you understand, whether
he thinks Hitler would have become the archetype of evil he so readily
accepts if Germany had won the war instead of losing it? Churchill in
contradistinction is the epitome of the National Hero but we won't
mention the fact that he ordered the gassing of tens of thousands of
Kurds after the first world war (including innocent women and children) -
just in case we confuse one with the other! A proper discussion of
negative and positive magic should go beyond the moral snares of
personal and public opinion into the technicalities of magical
operations if it is to be worth anything at all. What does Valazebek
think the technical differences are?
BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: Sorcery-Thelema. posted by Wolfie User
posted on September 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM
I've heard the term 'black brother' but don't know it's meaning. Care to
share? Also I'd be interested to know why you liken black magicians to
petty thieves?
Topic Sorcery-Thelema. posted by Valazebek. User
posted on September 26, 2009 at 02:23 AM
V did startle at -'The Sorcerer and Black Brother' in the same
sentence!
V does gather that, perhaps most ignorantly; that The Sorcerer; Being a
king of The earth; Does use Natural Magic to satisfy The needs of any
Being; as a King; a Kingdom;; and the delights which
The Magickal life provides.
The Thelemite; uses a series of formulae; to desired ends.
Both Thelemite Adept and Adept Socerer find The Same thing;
be it at The Highest; or lowest---Themselves.
The path of 'Black Magick' is a real thing; be it Thelemite, or of Sorcery.
However; to compare a sorcerer,to a Black Brother; is absurd!
to compare a black magician; to a Black brother; would be like comparing a sneak thief, with a Hitler type!
Magick is exciting! Ultimately; You form Your own brand of 'Music' having listened to many pieces; That is: of Your personal
Moral structure.
Such is an opinion;
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Topic RE: Sorcery posted by Rob K. User
posted on August 04, 2009 at 08:19 PM
Denise,
Thank you so much for that brilliant definition and
putting it all in perspective.
-Rob.
Topic Sorcery posted by Rob.K User
posted on July 30, 2009 at 01:07 PM
edited on August 04, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Please excuse my ignorance, I am wondering if anyone
can tell me what sorcery is and if it is a proper 'path'
and if Chaos magic is the closest approximation to
what might be called 'sorcery'. I know some traditional
magicians may dislike the word as it seems to infer
black magic or a foremost interest in getting results
such as where Crowley speaks of sorcerers and black
brothers? is this all just a remnant of old aeon stuffiness?
Is a sorcerer one who can get the results where maybe some
ceremonial/traditionalists are just mystics ?
..Trying to cut my way to a path that is real and works,
Rob.K
[Infoburst: Marbas teaches that it's all about definitions. The word
Sorcery originally comes from the French Sortilege (to cast fortunes
using lots or runes) but has been used as a synonym for Magic for
hundreds of years. There is no 'path' of
sorcery as such, though many magical techniques are seen as 'sorcery'
based on the idea of a 'sorcerer' Manipulating the world using natural
magic. Although it is often considered by the layman to refer to the
'darker' side of magic, sorcery is all about using natural magic to
change the status quo and and the methods are not inherently evil in
themselves, hence sorcery is the manipulation of nature for good or bad
magic at the choice of the sorcerer. This is often compared with
Qabbalistic Magic or Theurgy which, because its tradition is based on a
monotheistic religion, incorporates high moral principles related to the
demands of a god. Theurgists may therefore look down upon sorcery as
immoral but this is a limited value judgement based on sectarian
prejudice and sorcerers may consider themselves ammoral. Chaos magic is
therefore a form of sorcery but not a path of sorcery. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by nome. User
posted on August 25, 2008 at 01:50 PM
Hi, hope you're well. Maybe my own experiences will aid, an entirely unique viewpoint, well...
My first relationship was with a woman incapable of love, I struggled
with myself, one hot summer night: Stay in London, or live
in a tee-pee Tribe for 5 yrs, studying, meditating. SUDDENLY!
I got it! I was fighting my own destiny! Leaving 'her' was easy, I
learned a lot about true evil through her though. I visited My Guru of
18 months, He announced, solemnly, that He was moving to Wales. "So am
I", I said, leading to a fantastic five years in The Welsh Mountains.
I'm 'lucky', much blessed; I was given a clue as to how to recognise my
other half. I pursued Her for two years, staying celibate, despite many
pretty offers. Why? Partly, I'm particular about the Ladys who've
enjoyed my little soldier, and, happily, I was an Adept, and saw not
just the bubbly, funny, crazy young Lady, but I saw Her as She would
become,and, years later, she was that person. (An Adept's ability to
foresee future nature.)
Rocky? We were explosive! After many years, we were both forced to look
at our bare-naked souls, it was SO bloody painful! But we held hands all
the way through, and now, nearly 20 yrs on, we are strong.
I suppose it was inevitable, living with Me, well, She accelerated from
neophyte to inner plane initiate in 16 years, something I/we didn't
expect! The secret sign that proved it to me? A Magickal event. Rare, no
point in description.
So, Dear fellow seeker, I sympathise with your anxious situation. Do you
absolutely FEEL that She is The One? Then pursue! After two years, I
gave up, THEN She realised She should be with me.
Much pain, many lessons for both. And now, total trust/love/unity.
Maybe your Lady's not your 'other half', no doubt you'll learn much. If
She is The One, welcome the diffuculties, 'hold hands all the way' and
you'll learn much, as required in your lifetime together. A life well
spent. I wish I could offer more guidance. No doubt, S.A. will
considerately fill your Magickal needs. We all go through something
similar, it seems, in such a tender, vital part of the Life experience. I
offer my very best wishes. FEEL! Is it REAL! Serenity.
Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by JG User
posted on August 23, 2008 at 01:41 PM
Hi R&P's; sorry for the confusion. I have been in a relationship
which has its ups and downs....I want the person, this person is my
hearts desire, the relationship is rocky but I don't want it to end. I
BELIEVE this person is my soulmate but even soulmates have problems
right? i want the person to stay but the problems to go....i thought a
lovespell would be the answer to restore harmony? if you think there may
be a better way i would welcome your ideas. Jules
Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by nome. User
posted on August 23, 2008 at 01:54 AM
I believe exactly as Frater Marabus has so succintly, explicitly,
explained.
I've sometimes wondered, is Fr. M. wired directly into Daath?;) (The
centre of all knowledge) Maybe! I, a younger Brother, do not have the
ability to put such truths into words: Frater Marabus is a Great Teacher
indeed. There is nothing further I can add; your soulmate exists, The
Gods may prompt you in your journey.
Serenity to One and All.
Cheery-Bye!
Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Youre missing my point. Asking the Gods to bring your soul mate is just
that. Asking the Gods to bring to you the person of your desire is just
that. If you cross the 2 over youre being a bit spell sloppy. How you
word the intent is the key.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by Str fry guy User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Sorry, a bit harsh
Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by Stir Fry Guy User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 07:30 PM
Why don't you just do a nonspecific spell to find your true love and
find out? I mean surely the Gods know better than you who ultimately
would be the best person for you in this life? Maybe your just
infatuated with your present target? Or just plain in love with someone
who's not right for you. We've all been there haven't we and found out
the hard way much later on.
Trust the gods.
Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by JG User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 05:56 PM
Ok, let me word my question a little differently; if you use the subject
link of the person you THINK is your soulmate and target that
particular person but the gods don't think that person is your soulmate
then what happens?
Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 05:06 PM
If you do a spell for a soul mate, you will get your soul mate. If the
person you think is your soul mate turns out not to be your soul mate
you are in for a change in perspective sooner rather than later. Dont ya
just love it!!! The key is in your wording.
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by JG User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 02:27 PM
What happens if we do a lovespell on a person who we think is our
soulmate but the gods decide this person is not our soulmate? will the
spell fail, will it succeed but not be all we hoped it would or will the
lovespell work 100% and we will be happy anyway? An interesting
question I have often wondered about.
Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by Paul User
posted on July 25, 2008 at 01:24 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:32 PM
I have yet to find a soul mate (if one exists for me!)...
I think it unlikely that soul mates will not have turbulent times (we
are all different), but perhaps a soul mate will be more likely to stay
with you in tough times and discuss disagreements rather than let them
blow out of proportion?
Personally, I think the right person turns up when you are ready. Maybe
magic can bring this change (internally and externally) or perhaps magic
is not necessary? I think it depends on the Wyrd (lifepath/destiny) of
the individual(s) involved.
[Infoburst: Hi Paul, Marabas teaches that is is very necessary to track
down your 'other half' in order to complete the whole. He says that one
of the main purposes of repeated incarnations is to develop the soul in
this way - for each person to find again their soul-mate from a previous
incarnation in order to twin the destiny and obtain magical memory
thereby avoiding having to re-invent the wheel and re-learn the basics
in successive lifetimes. Thereby increasing one's evolutionary spiral.
Completeing oneself with one's Soul Mate is part of one's True Will -
which is why love and sex are such powerful unconscious drives. BB
Denise W ]
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Topic RE: soul mate spells posted by Puretongue User
posted on February 15, 2008 at 08:29 AM
I was sent a list of American members of a club I was in (not a dating
organisation) who wanted pen friends in the UK. One of the names blanked
my mind for a moment in that way that sometimes indicates a significant
event in life has just occurred.
We corresponded, met and married. Some 21 years later we've had some
very troubled times, but always made it through. Soul mates? I can't say
I know. All I know is the moment I saw her name written down I knew she
was going to be important to me.
Topic I'm the same....could someone please advise? posted by Isaac User
posted on February 14, 2008 at 04:05 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:38 PM
Also, how can I perfom sex magic?
What do I need?
[Infoburst: Is this dejavu or have you asked this somewhere else on this forum Isaac? To find your soul mate you need
Marabas's Spellkit for Love's Desire p100 see more details here. To do sex magic you need Arthur Avalon's book Serpent Power
(click here for our A-Z Booklist then scroll down the page to Serpent Power. BB Denise W. ]
Topic soul mate spells posted by charisma User
posted on February 09, 2008 at 08:55 PM
So its a relaxed forum for valentines,:) so I have a question does any
one have any stories about finding what they perceive as their soul mate
and if so did they cast a spell to bring them together? how fast did it
work? and any tips on how to stay together and finally are soul mates
meant to exist in bliss or will they experience a more turbulent life
with many troubles and tests while together.
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Topic RE: spellcasting posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 08, 2008 at 02:00 PM
I went the other way on my first spells. The candle magick spell kit n
book. I was looking to learn how to cast spells, so, for me this was
perfect in a few ways. First was a choise of spells, love spell,
increasing decisivness spell, improving conscentration, developing
divination and astral projection, these are all well up my street.
Secondly was convenience, I can carry the items needed in my man bag and
set up a temple in a number of places, the spells are short so Im in
and out if needs must. Lastly you have most of what you need in the kit
for lots spells and once you have done a couple you can easily create
your own. Its simplisity.
I suppose depending on what your looking for depends on what suits and
for alot of beginers the spellkits would be whats required. For me I am
working towards making Magick my Lifestyle and the candle magic spellkit
is proving a great start. I am in no doubt that it is me that provides
the power and Marabas spells and lessons show me how to use it. To say
one spell is more powerful than than another is taking the Witch out of
the spell. What the spells do is provide the platform.
All the best
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: spellcasting posted by JohnW User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 02:03 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 09:35 AM
In response to the question whether SA spellkit or SA Candlemagick
spellbook's Love ritual is more effective, I bought the spellkit
a long time ago and it did indeed work. I also have and cherish the
SA candlemagick spellbook and would imagine that for the absolute
beginner
the spellkit would be better if only because it uses more
items such as wax dolls and everything you need is right there in the
box. You also have a good deal of kit left over toward your
own magickal temple. I have found that the
spellbook is superb as
it has a very easy formula yet contains a tonne-of books-worth of
info on the hows and whys of magick.
Regards, John.
Topic Emotional Content posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 02:57 PM
You provide the power, the spells provide the structure so either will
suit. Throwing yourself into the ritual is the best approach. You can do
a few practice runs in your minds eye if you like. If your anything
like me you will forget a few words but thats fine as long as you do it
with emotion, the Gods will get the message. There is no problem in
repeating the ritual if your not happy, practice makes perfect, but try
not to think about the results to much. Let the Gods do there job.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: spellcasting posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 02:30 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 09:50 AM
Hi to ricenpeas. I have the sa candlemagic book but in which would you
say was the most powerful, the rites in there for love or the sa
spellkit for love?
[Infoburst: It's horses for courses Anonymous. If you are a complete
beginner and the relationship is at a crucial stage then the
Love Spellkit is the one to go for. It's 'High Magick' in that it is
very powerfully structured by Marabas in a step by step way so you can
just get on with high level magick like an adept without making
mistakes. Marabas wrote the Candlemagick Spellbook for those people who
want to evolve and develop their abilities in spellcasting generally.
That is, people who want to become an all-round spellcaster rather than
put their all into just one spell. If your relationship is not that
crucial or you are just experimenting or trying to develop your own
powers of fascination then love-spell in the Candlemagick Spellbook is
useful and very successful, but the Spellkit is in a different league
and it would be wise not to short-change yourself if you want this man
or woman for life. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: spellcasting posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 08:09 PM
Thanks again. I have worked a spell for a situation in the past and then
tried all sorts to get the ball rolling in the 'normal world' to help
it along but got nothing even though I had visualised the end goal and
left it to the gods. I have been told I need to put effort in the
mundane world as well as the gods like to see me doing my bit. I will
try the exercise you recommend too. Thanks for your help.
Topic RE: spellcasting posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 08:01 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 09:39 AM
Meditation on intent usualy means making sure this is what you Truely
want to happen. Revenge spells are the best example. Once in a quiet and
calm state of mind I may realise that I am acting out of some
insecurity. Maybe giving x bad luck would effect people I love. Is there
a better way I could use Magick to better this situation. That sort of
thing. These are the only obstical I need worry about, the Gods do all
the getting round of other obsticals and dont need directing on HOW to
bring about the desired result. There Gods after all and like to be
treated that way.
Marabas does short lesson on Meditation. The "lucid reverie time travel
exercise" helped me with contemplation and is a real key.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: spellcasting posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 07:09 PM
Hi Ricenpeas, thanks for the tips. In the spell I am to work I have to
meditate on what I want. Is this the same as visualising it? But I am
still unsure of whether this should be how I want things to end up or if
I need to 'see it' happening from the first step through to the end
result. The first step is the obstacle that needs to be overcome but
when I have done this before it never gets beyond that point so I don't
reach the 'end result'. Am I making this harder than it needs to be?
Topic RE: spellcasting posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 06:24 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Maybe a bit of stucture might help.
The "candle magick spellbook" rituals are short, simple and do the job,
with no need to visualise the outcome or how it will manifest. Clear
your mind and think about what you want and then pick the ritual that
suits. No worrying about the "Hows", the Gods do all that for you.
A technique i use for visualising Gods.
I find a God from my "encyclopedia of Gods" and spend a good bit of time
looking at it. I try to imagine what they smells like, the sound of
there voice, how they would feel if I was touching there cloths and
skin. I look at the colours, the posture and expression on the face.
When it comes time, I dont try to visualise the Gods, I just remember
them with all my senses. The more I remember my Gods the clearer they
become. Its like remebering the colour of your car. It just pops up in
the mind. You can see the shape of your car, the smell inside, how the
steering wheel feels when you grip it. You could probable even drive
it.
Good luck
Ricenpeas
Topic spellcasting posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Hi all, can anyone offer advice on the technique please. I have read
that I need to visualise my END result but when I do this I my spells
don't always work. When I visualise how I want something to happen, ie,
the first stage of something happening I DO get this but then my spells
don't materalise past that point but just seem to fizzle out to nothing.
Will my spells work if I visualise the first step(s) AND the end
result? I have read books and asked advice in the past but still I
struggle to get past this. I always have belief in my work but it knocks
it when some fail to show results so I do need to overcome this. All
help greatfully received!
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Topic RE: Spirit Guides and Regressing into Past Lives posted by AnnB User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 09:40 PM
Wll in answer my guide did tell me that I was burnt at the stake
for being a witch and he didnt want me to go through the horror of it
He is a gntle wise brave and his wolf always leads me into the trance
often accompanied by woodland animals deer squirrels and other a fawn in
his(man)
So how blessed am I A friend done a healing and was surprised how protected I am.
I can only think how lucky I am
Topic RE: Spirit Guides and Regressing into Past Lives posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 02:40 PM
Hi. Anne B. Regression isn't always pleasant. I was a street urchin in
the 1800's, arrested for stealing an apple, I died on a prison barge,
age 9-10. That as payment for my appalling behaviour in Austria, a
hundred + years before. Before that, a Quabbalist in rennaisance Italy,
that was fun, and so on or back. Painful, yes, informative, very. I was a
beginner over a thousand years ago, guess what I've become? Your Angel
carries on, Anne B. only lives once. Bless you in your quest. Email
subject link. When The Gods are involved, two Adeptii can drop keys to
each other, mainly in the name, and then meet Astrally. Target for
spells? No idea, I don't use that sort of magick. Serenity.
Topic Spirit Guides and Regressing into Past Lives posted by AnnB User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 02:39 PM
Denise not sure what this would come under so please put it in the
proper forum My guide who is a Indian brave together with a beautiful
wolf who guards me well I also have many littleguides of forest animals
squirrels included deer beutiful creature anyway to stop prattling my
guide had told me not to regress when I was asked I have promised but
asked why he stated I was formerly burnt at the stake and he didnt want
me to go through the horror again. Two weeks ago I was asked to regress
and have turned it down
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Topic Spirit Guides posted by Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 02:33 PM
Sylvia Brown and Doreen Virtue have published a great deal of
information about Spirit Guides and they are well respected, both by
mainstream sources as well as Wiccans. Although plenty of other sources
are out there, they are easily read and can be funny at times. They
provide a very good jumping off point and Sylvia always encourages
people to take only what sounds true in their hearts and leave the rest.
I like working with someone that doesn't think they have ALL the
answers. Hopefully you will find that to your liking too.
Topic spell posted by Kat User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 06:08 PM
Hi, does anyone have any info on spirit guides?
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Topic RE: starting out help wanted posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 02, 2010 at 10:43 PM
no i must admit i have only just found this site. im very aware of
potential risks within magical practice and dont intend on finding out
the hard way. thanks for the infomation provided.
Topic starting out help wanted posted by d.k User
posted on January 31, 2010 at 11:57 PM
edited on February 12, 2010 at 08:38 AM
hi there i'v had an intrest in the occult for as long as i can remember
and want to futher my exploration ive read as many books as i can find
and feel i've come to the point ware i want to find a mentor and like
minded people to start moving onto pratical practice under safe guidence
any help appreciated many thanks d.k
[INFOBURST: Sounds like you are not a regular S.A. Client....What do you
think Marabas has been doing for the past 35 years if not mentoring
thousands of sincere seekers in the safest way possible?
See here to read a free on-line primer written by him on the best way for serious seekers to proceed.
Finding people for dialectical feedback is easy enough, see the
Electronic Fellowship of The Sphinx here but realise before you start
that nobody can guarantee you a risk-free path in magic. Once you are
trained in safe techniques
(which Marabas can do for you here ) then how you are tested depends on
your destiny and the nature of your relationship with the gods. BB
Denise W.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic re: posted by windymiller User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 01:28 PM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Hi there. I assume that what you are looking for is a structured lesson
type of thing where it starts very basic and over periods of months
leads a student into Magick slowly? If that is the case then check out
the SA's book selection-they had a very good book there called ''Modern
Magick-11 lessons in the High Magickal Arts'' by Kraig. I'm a student
and am using it at the moment and would reccommend it.
[Infoburst: Click here to go to the Sorcerer's Apprentice Booklist 9 http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm ) ]
Topic Starting to Practice posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 07:52 AM
If, like me, you have done a lot of reading but no practice - where do
you start? With meditation? - developing certain skills and practice?
What's good for beginners who understand some basic theories (i.e. like
who Crowley was, what the Tree of Life looks like -that level of
understanding). All comments/suggestions gratefully received. What I
want to do really is to put some focus and direction into my life with
the aim of expressing my true self (or Atman, or Holy Guardian Angel or
what you will)
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Topic RE: supernatural creatures creation posted by matthew baker User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 02:31 PM
I think they might be asking about entity's like the mothman and the like. Ill consult the i-ching about it and get back to ya.
Topic RE: supernatural creatures creation posted by pejay User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:11 PM
What?????????????
Topic supernatural creatures creation posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 05:13 AM
what supernatural creatures exist?how got supernatural creatures created?
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Topic RE: Symbolic Jewelry posted by Mouse User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 06:11 PM
Fascinating! Is that particular talisman for general protection, or what? I'd be interested in hearing more about it.
I don't recall receiving anything other than comfort from the symbolic jewellery I've worn ... mind you, I'm not knocking that.
Topic RE: Symbolic Jewelry posted by Denise W User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I am sure that all our clients will have their own favourite amulet or
anecdote about the magical effects of it. It reminds me of the true
story of one S.A. client who purchased the ancient Agathodemon Talisman
from us (a limited edition talisman sold by us many years back). He was a
passenger in a car with four other people in a head on crash the day
after purchasing it. In his own words the emergency crews that cut the
four out of the wreckage said that they expected everyone to be dead.
The other three had serious but not life-threatening injuries but the
owner of the Agathodemon just sprained his ankle! He said that the
really mysterious thing about it was that after he limped away from the
crash he saw that the central symbol on the talisman had moved slightly
off centre and attributes the saving of everyoneŽs lives to it.
Makezyafinkdonnit! BB Denise W.
Topic Symbolic Jewelry posted by Mouse User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 09:03 AM
What, if anything, do you wear in the way of symbolic jewelry (eg, ankh,
pentagram, etc.)? If you do wear anything of that nature, what does it
symbolise to you?
For example, I am currently wearing a pentagram, and a piece of jet with
the Rune 'Ur' on it. The pentagram was a gift so it makes me think of
the friends who gave it to me as well as the four/five elements, plus
'the microcosim in the macrocosim' which is something I remember being
in the information which came with my original pentagram, purchased from
the SA about 15 or more years ago. I also like this particular
pentagram because it's relatively small.
I'm wearing the 'Ur' as for me that particular rune symbolises strength.
Any thoughts?
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Topic RE: Tarot or I-Ching? Which is the most accurate? posted by Puretongue User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 06:03 PM
Hi there
There's also been a discussion of the I Ching at
http://www.pliner.net/appmb2/134a9f/362683/
Topic RE: Tarot or I-Ching? Which is the most accurate? posted by JK User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 04:21 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Tim,
I cannot recommend Marabas' Instant I-Ching Guide too highly,
alongwith a copy of the Wilhelm-Baynes I-Ching if you're not
already using it. I also have only ever used the SA's ancient
coins so I'd recommend them as well. The I-Ching seems to in
my opinion answer any type of question, just take some time to
meditate on the answers and always record them.
JK
[Infoburst: Information / Background on:
Willhelm/Baynes I-Ching (scroll down A-Z list)
I-Ching Coins Offer
Marabas's Instant I-Ching Primer ]
(and scroll down for Marabas's Instant I-Ching to download immediately)
Topic Tarot or I-Ching? Which is the most accurate? posted by Tim User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 01:35 PM
I have been reading the tarot for some time now but I am new to the
I-Ching and often find it quite confusing so therefore tend to ask the
same questions with both the tarot and I-Ching (belt and braces
approach) due to my lack of confidence in it. By doing this I find the
I-Ching makes more sense to me and I can see the parallels between the
two but often there seems to be warnings/advice in the I-Ching that are
not present with the tarot spreads. Is this because the I-Ching is more
accurate or am I reading things into the I-Ching that are not
necessarily there, therefore putting my fears into the interpretation?
Also I find it quite confusing when asking about another person and what
they may do about a certain situation etc. When the text for example
refers to what someone should do, is this referring to the person you
are asking about (who is unaware of the consulting the oracle) or is
this reference to the person doing the asking? Tips on the use of the
I-Ching would be appreciated from the advanced users.
Thanks all.
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Topic RE: Contacting God/s posted by Thelemite 8 User
posted on May 04, 2008 at 06:43 AM
Not a mistake, posting on Temple of Set, a clue, perhaps. There are no coincidences, to my mind, only cause & effect.
Keep on striving ,William, you have friends. We've all had trials.......
Topic RE: Contacting God/s posted by Karen User
posted on April 26, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Oh, my, sounds like your psychic shield may have been disturbed to some
degree; especially if you undertook your spiritual exercises with any
degree of fear or anxiety. I don't know of any good advice to give, but I
had a paranormal experience once that left me very psychically open,
and gave me the feeling of swinging from side to side in and out of my
body. Fortunately, a friend of mine (also my first shamanism teacher)
gave me directions for an upper-world journey (based on Jack and the
Beanstalk, of all things); and it worked in getting my psychic shield
realigned. I'm still a bit more sensitive than I was before, but the
healing worked, in any case. I don't know if this is what you need or
not; but I recommend a good professional consultation with a specialist
in psychic defense issues and possibly soul retrieval. All the best to
you, William, and take care of yourself!
Topic RE: Contacting God/s posted by William H User
posted on April 24, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Dear Thelemite 8,
Thank you for your reply.
I am definitely onto something and have taken your
advice. Also having some increased experiences in
lucid dreams, meeting personalities in dreams, etc.
PS. I posted this on the 'Temple of Set'
thread by mistake. If possible could it be moved ?
Regards, WH
Topic RE: Contacting God/s posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 04:59 PM
Hi William,
You seem to have overlooked 'Opening The Temple.'
Observe, if you will, that all esoteric Ritual, be it Wiccian, Thelemite
or wot-not,begins with a banishing; a purification and consecration.
You make no mention of casting a circle of any form.
I do imagine that You have been fortunate, that you have only, disturbed an entity's habitat.
Fortune also smiles on You, in that Frater Marabus supplies
'quickie spells' that should alleviate your discomfort.
If you explain your situation to The S.A, they will supply you
with the appropriate knowledge.
A clear idea of path would help, E.G. Qabala or Wicca? A clear
statement of intent, : invoking a specific God is also a good
idea for the beginner to contemplate.
All beginners, will hear voices, if you do well, you will experience
full manifestation of entities, as you intend; to communicate
telepathically during Ritual is normal, as I percieve it. To have no
control over the situation is, probably the plight
of the psychotic.
To any beginners out there, it is wise to prepare yourselves with the formalities of ritual, and prepare to work hard.
Aside from this 'false start', William, you seem to be achieving a
degree of success. S.A. supply a vast range of knowledge, enjoy the
ride!
Topic Contacting God/s posted by William H User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 02:40 AM
Recently I have been trying to seek a God. I have often went to a quiet
place and meditated and prayed for my God/s to reveal themselves to me. I
have looked up various Gods of different pantheons that I feel some
affinity with. I also try and get a feeling of closeness to the
'divine'through running and hard exercise which I find is good for
overcoming the ego, and having
nice countryside all around.
The past few weeks I've had some weird experiences, a lightness and
faint-feeling where I feel half-out of body, and the past few days I
feel as though there is an almost electric energy field around me which
is sometimes so strong the skin of my scalp tightens up and I get
shivers down my neck and a queezy, dizzy feeling. I recently went to a
secluded dark room to try and meditate to open my mind to this 'force'
but it felt so overwhelming like I had a voice in my head saying 'get
out !' I was really scared. I feel as though someone or something is
trying to speak to me, maybe not in actual words, but communicate on
some level, but the signal is not coming through properly. Does this
make sense to anyone ? I'm not a paranoid schizophrenic or at least I
don't think so !
Rgds,
William.
Topic NOX posted by Claire User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 01:33 PM
Hi,
Could you explain what N.O.X. is ?
Presumably the same as NOX/Nox which
I've herad of also ?
Best,
Claire
Topic RE: Temple of Set posted by Thelemite 8-The vicar. User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 08:26 AM
Greetings, in agreement here too, I know Set as a God within a formula
of Gods; to seperate Set, therefore N.O.X, as well, one might as well go
straight to la veys work. Personally, I've tried some la vey ritual,
and found it as useful to me as Set without Horus; not my path,
different strokes for different folks, Denise talks clear sense. Hope
this makes sense to some!
Topic RE: Temple of Set posted by Denise W User
posted on February 29, 2008 at 04:04 PM
The ToS are so paranoic they will probably think that we have started
this thread as some kind of double-think but I can assure them that it
is genuine. As far as I am aware the T.O.S. are still being harried by
Satan Hunter evangelists (Aquino apparently recently tried to bring one
detractor, who had electronically stalked him, to court - and failed)
but we don't have any contact with them at all. If anyone asks we
usually direct people who want to know about genuine satanism to Anton
LaVey's Church of Satan where bugger is something they say when they
stub their toes! BB Denise W.
Topic RE: posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 28, 2008 at 05:41 PM
I think that what you choose to get up to is your own business! If this
back door style initiation is what you want, then why not! It's your
choice.
Topic RE: Temple of Set posted by Puretongue User
posted on February 28, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I look at the SAFF website http://http://saff.nfshost.com/ for the up to date stuff.
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Topic Temple of Set posted by gilmore User
posted on February 27, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Hi,
Love the new forum. Used to read Lamp of Thoth years ago
and remembering all the satanic abuse BS, the Cook report
posting got me wondering if the Temple of Set is still
active in the UK and if they're still the same as they
were back then ? Dodgy to say the least. Offered to initiate
me by anal sex when I contacted them via an advert in Dark
Lily magazine. Or has the SA and ToS made up since those days
of the Fallax memorandum, etc ?
Cheers, Gilmore.
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Topic RE: Daklight. posted by Denise W User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I am in agreement with you Thelemite-8 but newbies seem to love the cut
and thrust of the forum when it throws lux onto that large array of
svengali like wannabees out there. If Darklight wants to put his head in
the lionŽs mouth he has the freedom to do it here! ;-) BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Daklight. posted by Denise W User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 12:08 PM
edited on March 08, 2008 at 12:09 PM
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Topic Daklight. posted by Thelemite 8 -the vicar. User
posted on March 07, 2008 at 04:58 AM
In agreement Denise; the term only makes sense above the abyss,
wrathful=benevolent.
One see's no validity, thereby/therefore.
Can I say I think this entire concept is ' bollocks' on this
forum? Sterile, at that.
Topic RE: temple of the black light posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 29, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Wooaah! A WRATHFUL Gnostic Left Hand Path no less. Excuse me whilst I
run to the toilet. I wonder how they worked that one out - seeing as how
traditional Gnosticism means the direct individual experience of God
and refutes any received wisdom. It's about as transparent as the term
'Black Light'. Any sixth grade physics student knows that black isn't a
colour but an absence of it. C'mon you lot - explain yourself or get off
the forum.
Denise W.
Topic RE: temple of the black light posted by challenge-chronzon333 User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 10:30 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Hi there,
The Temple of the Black Light actually have a website...here is the link; http://www.templeoftthebbacklight.net/main.html
I hope this is of use to you.
Topic temple of the black light posted by Me User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 11:41 AM
does any body have any info on an order called the temple of the black light a wrathful gnostic left hand path
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Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT: HOW AND
WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Denise W User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 09:44 AM
The true story of how Marabas stepped into the breach to protect the
freedom of belief of every free-thinker in a unique historical situation
which, had he not been up to the job, could have set us all back,
literally to the dark ages can only be told after his death, but it is
no exaggeraton to say that he and a small coterie of his supporters and
followers in the SAFF did phenomenal things to turned the tide of
intolerance and succeeded in many absolutely astonishing ways at very
influential levels in a fight anyone else would have thought impossible.
Without magic it would have been impossible! Kimball is right - if you
track the stories of many key players in the SRAM scare you will see
that the only one that has emerged with any dignity and with positive
outcome is Marabas whereas you will find a trail littered with
dishonour, disgrace and destruction for many. The key thing in all this
was that M rightly identified what was happening on a cosmic scale and
focussed his energies upon the bigger picture rather than, as many
might, being lured in to trading bullets with personalities in
skirmishes which disguised the main thrust of what was happening. Only a
visionary like M could do that. If you want to truly get to know what
that period meant and what M did, then you should read his Secrets of
Mind Control (see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindcont.htm for
details. ) BB Denise W
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT: HOW AND
WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 09:43 AM
Anonymous asks why didn't Marabas use magic to stop the persecution of
the S.A. What makes you think he didn't? Let's set the scene. It's the
1990s. To the left are ranged a host of snipe-nosed Xists. Literally
thousands of fanatical religious agent provocateurs in influential
positions within British Society who have spent years preparing
themselves for the onset of the Tribulations prior to Armageddon as the
century closes. Next to them we have the self-serving Child Scare
Industry - thousands of people and organisations making BIG bucks out of
the peoples' natural instinct to protect children from harm. From
powerful political lobbyists like the NSPCC with the ear of prime
ministers to radical feminist marxists who believe that Satan is the
ultimate rapist. Caught in the middle are the politicians and the police
who waste literally millions of pounds chasing phantoms of the
imaginations of neurotics who believe that any horrific thing they can
fantisise must have happened somewhere to someone because it just popped
into their heads. Lastly on this side we have the ranks of the great
British Media, now having to pander to any sensationalism to stall its
demise in the digital age. At one time the British press could happily
earn a few bob patronising the stereotypical fears of White Anglo Saxon
Protestants in a orgfest of persecuting queers, tarts, blackies, micks,
Defrocked Catholic Priests, and MPs who enjoyed being whipped by
'prossies'. Today, sadly, due to changing times and the British Human
Rights act their remit is much reduced. In fact the only section of the
populace the British Press feel they can persecute with impunity is us,
witches, magicians, satanists, psychics and 'New Age Gurus'. So all of
these powerful and astonishingly well resourced groups are here on the
left - who do we have resisting them to the right? Oh, look, it's some
guy in a little bookshop in downtown Leeds. More....
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT: HOW AND
WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by kimball User
posted on May 15, 2008 at 06:15 AM
you dont have to destroy the walnut with a sledge hammer.many things
about the case and the villians who wear behinde it (and what happen to
them) wear never reported arfter the satan scare died down. of course by
this time the media had had its pound of flesh and was looking for its
next scapegoat.
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT: HOW AND
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posted on May 11, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Hi JK, I've tried to find it on the net but no luck so will have to send of for it unless you know a link where I can see it?
Many thanks
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT: HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by JK User
posted on May 09, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Hi, You should contact SAFF for mor info
at http://http://saff.nfshost.com/
Best regards, JK
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT: HOW AND
WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 08, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Hi again. I did say I had heard about the cook encounter but I could
only find a short piece on it and the rest had been removed. Have you
got a link to the whole piece please? I would be interested to read the
whole article. Thanks
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT: HOW AND
WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 07, 2008 at 03:31 PM
Hi, yes I have been reading that too. I am a newcomer and maybe
oblivious to some rather obvious things? After reading some 'debates' on
here I was a little reluctant to ask what some more experienced members
may scoff at but to me it would have seemed quite simple for M to stop
these people?
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT: HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by JK User
posted on May 07, 2008 at 03:17 PM
Well, Did you hear about how Chris Bray had a one in a million chance encounter
with Roger Cook many years after the infamous Cook Report ?....JK
Topic THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT: HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 07, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Hi all, this may be a silly question to some of you but excuse my
asking. After reading all about these incidents and the persecution of
the S.A and M himself, why didn't M take some form of magical action
against these people to either bind them to stop them causing trouble or
even to obtain revenge against these idiots?
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Topic RE: The Horned God posted by Douglas User
posted on February 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Thanks Denise that was just the kinda information i was looking for.
give me plenty to work with for the rite, cheers.
Douglas
Topic The Horned God posted by Douglas User
posted on February 04, 2009 at 09:49 PM
edited on February 05, 2009 at 08:28 AM
I've been reading Marabas's candlemagick spellbook and I'd like to
perform the rite involving the Horned God, to develop feyness. I'm
having trouble getting a sense of what the Horned God is about as my
dictionary (of Gods) doesn't say much about him.
I've looked on the net but there's not much other than brief paragraphs
on him being the Lady's consort and the male aspect of nature.
I'm trying to get a better sense of him to help me in the invocation. What is his power like?
[Infoburst: Hi Douglas, Sounds like you need to look at our
Guide To The Gods offer. Anyone seriously considering the invocation of
god forms must have a trusty reference work to guide them with the
correspondences, powers, intelligences and images of the gods.
The Guide To The Gods offer, see here, is the best ever. When you have
had some practical experience of invocation you should also look at
Angelic Images
which shows how you can define a god's character, image, powers etc, by
analysing it's name using a little known qabbalistic formula. EVERY
ancient civilisation had a horned god in its pantheon to represent the
ultimate, personified masculine force of nature which flows through all
male animals, including humans. The symbols and images used to represent
the Horned God are modified by the cultural perspectives and period of
the civilisation itself but the fundamentals are the same. Horns, Hair,
Courage, Strength, Muscle, Growl, Priapic, Duty, Stud, Hero, Directness,
Resolver, etc., Marabas says that Eliphas Levi's Image of Baphomet was
perhaps the most sophisticated and complete montage of the Horned God -
you can see it and read about it in his
OEXP046 on Baphomet (go here for instant download and read up on it right now)
BB
Denise W.]
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Topic RE: Thelemic Magick/Sex Magick posted by PD User
posted on August 26, 2008 at 02:19 PM
Dear Nome/Caleb/Denise,
Thank you so much for your replies to my question.
So much disinfo out there, I am glad I posted my
question here and to have had such a helpful
response. Hopefully othere who are perhaps feeling
the effect of some kind of bigotry will take heart
also.
Yours, PD.
Topic RE: Thelemic Magick/Sex Magick posted by nome. User
posted on August 25, 2008 at 09:14 PM
Further to Caleb's comments: I've found the ideal sex magick operation
to conclude with a trance like state, many colours flowing by; then,
ascent to the Etheric, and Ritual, ascent to Astral, an, experience,
rising to planes of pure force, then.......
After action, pause, reaction:
Time up. I return to my retreat; 'holiday', I'll probably 'pop in' in a
while. Yet after that, I'm not sure I'll make another forum entry. I
don't know. Perhaps Silence now.
Well, PD, you have no interest in communication, good luck on your
path. Caleb speaks as an O.T.O. initiate, between us you've probably realised the main agenda, re: sex Magick.
May All Attain. AUM HA!
Topic RE: Thelemic Magick/Sex Magick posted by nome. User
posted on August 25, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Thankyou Caleb, a different angle, same conclusion. I wonder what these
forums are? They seem to have locked onto the apparent, the obvious,
which is simply a reflection of inner working, of which,
they are apparently unaware.
I'd like to do The Gnostic Mass with you, PD, I've opened my Etheric
Temple, meant for a very few, solo Thelemites. Meditation within The
Temple can be achieved by use of the 22 Thoth Tarot cards, with book of
Thoth, and, ultimately, The Holy Books of Thelema. One has been given a
certain symbol, which is The main key.
There is no conflict with S.A. as I don't sell anything, referring all to S.A. for all equipment.
I simply propose an Etheric meeting place, for solo Thelemites.
I shall return to my workings, finished by Yule. PD! You're
invited! Please contact me if interested.
Topic Thelemic Magick/Sex Magick posted by Caleb User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM
edited on August 26, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
If anyone tells you that you cannot perform "sex magick" because you are
physically sterile they prove only that they are completely ignorant of
magick and manifestation. The energy generated during an act of magick
is not physical and to draw it down into a physical vehicle, action,
whatever, it is not absolutely necessary to produce one specific fluid.
The energy first infuses an image and the image has a shadow on the
physical plane. This is what ceremonial magic is all about. The
difference being that ceremonial symbolizes the sexual and so-called
"sex magick" is more direct.
Now, if you cannot be sexually aroused...there's a problem.
Love is the law, love under will.
Fraternally,Caleb
[Infoburst: Well said Caleb. I wondered when someone was going to put
'PD' right on this one. Amazing how the bigotry creeps into supposedly
enlightened forums elsewhere on the net disguised as dogma. Sure sign of
a lack of initiatehood. This vasectomy slur is very similar to the old
lie (still seen elsewhere on the net even today ) about homosexuals not
being able to work within a Witchcraft Circle due to an imbalance of
their sexual energies! M says that Crowley's consumption of the Cakes is
a method of promoting community both physically and astrally. This,
rather too closely in M's opinion, shadows the Catholic High Mass. A few
drops of blood is more than adequate by itself because semen is a
product of the blood stream and excesses of it are absorbed back into
the bloodstream anyway. BB Denise W]
Topic Sex Magick. posted by nome. User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 06:30 PM
Such matters must be explained openly, no room for error. To communicate publicly could cause confusion.
By the By, As Pagan Times asked loudly:-"Will the Real O.T.O please stand up?"
Did you follow this silliness?(See : Albion O.T.O. page)
Fact: Albion O.T.O were taken to court, by the original O.T.O.
The three Albion top dogs resigned, claiming that as they had no line of
succession, they couldn't be an official O.T.O organisation.
A public press conference:0- "(By The O.T.O.) "Rest assured, there is but one O.T.O., with full lineage"
Now, Albion O.T.O. are carrying on; 'business as usual'. They declare that lineage is of no importance, so they're O.T.O.
Isn't it this perhaps an echoe of-"Can I be the leader? Can I- I can? I'm the leader! O.K., what shall we do?
Whatever the psychology of it, their minds simply weren't on the ball. I
make it clear, that I am simply the observer, matters came to my
attention.
The O.T.O. pledge service to the Higher Orders, yet were so engrossed in
'I'm the Leader!' they failed to monitor and apply group prudence, as
required, in a public matter, of no small import. (This resulted in the
Higher order rectifying the matter.) Surely, the o.t.o. will be in good
order, again soon.
One is a devoted Thelemite, I long ago removed myself from this
silliness, quietly doing the best I can, with no interest in 'power struggles' etc.
Perhaps a browsing O.T.O. member would like to state their opinion on current affairs?
May Unity prevail, Serenity.
Topic Thelemism. posted by nome User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 02:27 PM
P.S. PD, Contact me, if you will.
Topic RE: Sex Magick. posted by nome. User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 02:13 PM
Hi PD, I relied as a nonny mouse.
The main Art, inversion, stimulation of the centres; orgasm without
ejaculate must be mastered, 'til one is a complete dick-head!
If you feel that the fluids are of such importance, reverse the operation!!!
Nagging thoughts like this, will only distort the end result of this magick.
Fluids, a nice bonus, in later life.
Absolute control of your sex Magick manipulations: Essential.
Serenity.
Topic RE: Sex Magick. posted by PD User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 03:14 AM
Hi Anonymous, Thank you.
My anxiety is about matters which I understand as yet like through a glass
darkly, namely the elixirs, and perhaps ingredient X in cakes of light.
As I said at present I practice solo. The opinion of some is that the Master
Therion believed that the actual sperm cells were the active magickal force
so possibly curtailing my future abilities/evolution on this path ?
- PD
Topic Sex Magick. posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 02:05 AM
The essential method requires non-ejaculation.
The white Eagle is useful, rich in D.N.A/life force, but this is an extension of the prime method.
To perform, achieving orgasms, yet not releasing a drop of ejaculate, is a perfect operation.
If you feel the need to use The White Eagle in later years, I believe vasectomies are reversible.
Good Luck, Enjoy!
Topic Thelemic Magick, Vasectomy ? posted by PD User
posted on August 23, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I have been practicing solitary Thelemic Magick and Yoga and as one does,
I sometimes long to join with others to experience the Gnostic Mass,
etc. I realise this question may be misunderstood by some and I will not
go into MY understanding of Thelemic sex Magick, but here is my question:
I have had a vasectomy and I have been reading on several Thelemic forums
that this means I am incapable of Thelemic sex magick.
Can anyone tell me if this is true, am I 'unfit/incapable' for this path ?
PD
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Topic Repression. posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 03:13 AM
Yeh, it's petty annoying. I out rank oto, and was taught the techniques
verbally. This site isn't the right place to disclose the info. However,
if Denise would kindly leave an email address, you might get your
chicken after all. There are those who do not want knowledge made freely
available, I don't mean oto. I offered
to answer any questions put, however, having looked through the
entire site, I find that the Sayings of Frater Marabus, and Denises insight, answer most questions, except this matter,and with
good reason.
The orders of Thelema are based on rank, I've worked hard, and now have
authority to make changes to the original laws, as 'unforeseen matters'
dictate. A lot of people want specifics on sex magick.
Perhaps, in collaboration with Denise, things could radically change.Things are changing. When I started practising Sex Magick,
it was called black magick. Of course we didn't write it down.
We'll see.
Topic I AM THE MAGICKIAN WHO MAKES THE GRASS GREENER posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM
A Novice point of view
So the O.T.O. has copyrighted techniques for unlocking MY SELF. All
sounds a bit odd for the 21st century. Should i study golf as well. How
many people would shop at the S.A. if M. wrote "don't tell anyone" at
the end of his lectures. we live in a dangerous world and little bit of
knowledge is better than none at all. information flow and if you try
and block it your haed ends up your ass.
Big Belly Laugh
Ricenpeas
Topic Thelemic sex magick posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 11:34 PM
5 mins later.......That was a crap answer I gave, partial explanation, a
little knowledge a dangerous thing? Do S.A. stock Kenneth Grant: The
Magical Revival? That could be of use.
Joshua, what country, city or town do you live in?
My base is in London, though I live elsewhere at times.
Just a thought.
Topic Thelemic sex magic posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 11:15 PM
O.K, Denise, Hi, hope you're well. That's a very well reasoned reply;
I'll try to give a sensible reply. The O.T.O. have copyright on these
matters, and ,particularly in U.S.A. throw lawsuits at anyone who dares
to publish their secrets. So, Joshua, you mention external facts without
explanation, I can't directly explain,however, you do not have to
partake of these fluids, O.T.O. might insist? Dunno, I'm of the Higher
order,the oto do mass rituals, and are very much like a sexual freemason
organisation.
We (My Order) are born to cross the Abyss,(Or aspire to do so) our work
is entirely spiritual. OTO aid us, though we prefer to stay secret; in
the few rituals we publicly perform,e.g, initiating a new member, we
wear full face masks, only knowing our immediate Superior and inferior,
Our Human Guru's were pupils of Crowley. Many Thelemites choose to
work solo, building self confidence. I say this, as you may find this
more suitable than oto.(A lot of Thelemites don't like that path,
prefering individuality.)The fates direct the aspirant to a Master, if
it is destined. Maybe sounding like an advert for S.A,
they do provide a wide range of books: O.k, I was in a foul mood before,
with some thoughts from Denise, I'll carefully word this:
The phallus is traditionally Astral. So, oral sex conjoins the astral to
the throat chakra, Daath, knowledge, an interplay of forces occurs. A
'tit-wank', dosn't sound so daft, if you consider The Magician's
phallus, energised, stimulating the heart chakra; a sensitive woman is
very aware of this, as the male is of her chakra, bathing his rod in
light. The anus is an incredibly powerful chakra; it's like constantly
generating electromagnet, the bio-electric carrier wave. I'm
heterosexual, and have never been buggered, the act is usually performed
on women, some enjoy this.
Morality: Some women choose to sell their bodies for sexual use. Some
are heroin addicts, who do not menstruate, a side effect of the drug.
So, for the Tantric, who worships the many female secretions,(worship is
wrong word; desire?) heroin addicts;undesirable. Further, the magically
unaware heroin addict is unaware that the the drug unleashes the
cthonic lower realms; the hells/demons. The result is that, the junkie
becomes entirely
qlippothic.(Bear with me, tie it together when finished, if you will.) A
while back, a man spoke on this site of'cunning country magic, having
sex with spirits.' He was describing succubi, as in the result of a wet
dream,e.g. All sex without,(As male) the female life potential organ,
the vagina, is spiritually sterile (qlippothic)---Bugger a junkie whore
=.......
I have just erased a large piece of writing, this is not the right place/time.
Per vas neferendum,(By the unmentionable vessel) anal sex, is called
'fixing the spirit' as in varnishing a painting, 'fixing' the paint.
It's not a form of sex magic I find useful; not my path.
Incidentally, I think I'll shut up now. You should have been able
to work out the purpose of Magickal buggery. Why did you assume it was a
homosexual act? (I prefer pussy, but one of my scarlet women
enjoyed anal sex to the point of endless multiple orgasms, which blew back pleasantly on me,great fun!)
Well, I'm above the abyss, taught by a Thelemite Master, who was given
the word by A. Crowley, now it's time to find my pupil. How?
I have stuff to do, will look in this site later in year.So, into the ether; master seeks pupil.
Well Denise, you talk good sense at times, at others, you have a wicked
streak, winding people up. Fair enough, probably see you later. Sorry
for berating you, Joshua, patience, friend, do as your true self
dictates, accept only what truly appeals, and don't believe me, though
you might like to consider my viewpoint.
For now, Goodbye. IAF SABAF.
Topic RE: Sex Magick. posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 04:05 PM
Oh I don't know Draconuit - I can't see the OTO complaining about
intelligent critique or comment providing that proprietary reserved
teachings and inner-order mysteries are not revealed. You are right that
this forum is not really the place for such an advanced discussion but
if a neophyte asks an intelligent question then she/he is entitled to an
intellligent answer and it may be more useful to direct the original
questioner away from the seemingly obvious sexual connotations to the
technical understanding of the Muladhara chakra rather than browbeat him
about his lack of subtlety. BB Denise W.
Topic Sex Magick. posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 06, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Of course, Joshua, plain terms, after all, who wants to do all that
boring 'Study' stuff, when the mysteries are simply handed to you on a
plate, with a lovely biccy, in your armchair.
The O.T.O are the outer: external order of Thelema. Our representatives,
you are referring to things you know nothing about. Study Tantra, etc.
etc. etc. The oto will not appreciate your. post, Seriously, study solo,
seek The Higher orders if you will, but don't tread on oto's toes. With
respect
Topic RE: Sex Magic posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 06, 2008 at 09:26 PM
Well I can't say I'm disinterested in ever joining OTO but
I'd like to know it's not something where people get roped
into weird sexual practices as an end in themselves first.
I'm not homophobic BTW in case anyone thinks that's my angle.
- Joshua
posted on May 06, 2008 at 05:09 PM Reply to this Message
You've got this far, work it out for yourself, or join the O.T.O.
Topic Sex Magic posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 06, 2008 at 05:09 PM
You've got this far, work it out for yourself, or join the O.T.O.
Topic Thelemic/OTO sex magick posted by Joshua User
posted on May 05, 2008 at 07:35 PM
From what I've read, Crowley's system of Magick is ultimately
based on Sex-Magick, and the official rites of this are those
of the OTO, and when one reads about these rites they include
a lot of stuff about mixing and eating of semen/menstrual blood,
baking semen cakes and the like, and the OTO 11th degree from what
I can make out is receiving anal sex (from whom ?) What has all this to
do with magic(k)? and isn't it dodgy to have to eat or receive another's
body fluids or from someone outwith one's normal relationship ? Do
Thelemic groups make it plain to candidates that somewhere down the line
they'll either have to do this stuff or end advancement ? as it
certainly doesn't seem to be plainly stated on their websites.
Any straight talking answers appreciated,rather than symbolic ones
please.
Thanks,
Joshua
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Topic RE: Thelema or K.Grant? posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 07:01 PM
Greetings fellow seeker. Ones personal viewpoint, concerning K.Grant,
may be of interest. One must first state that there are a lot of
Thelemites out there with no connection with o.t.o, solo
thelemites learning self reliant hands on Magick. They are the lonely,
leaping mountain goats, who have no desire to perform mass rituals.A
different way of Thelema.He needs a good supply of books, incense, and
Thelema.
Which brings us to K. Grant. He was not of lvx, as primary motivation,
rather, He was very N.O.X. indeed, as His work 'The night side of Eden'
so amply demonstrates. He worked with his wife, Steffi,within the
cthonic realms, as many do. I found great value, in that the man could
translate some of Crowley's abstruse formulae into terms that the
Magician could readily understand. The Draco-Typhonian cults were around
at the Egyptian beginnings, and won't go away.In U.S.A, there exist a
large Thelemite contingency who equate Hadit with set, and satan.It is a
viewpoint. Your viewpoint appears to be that K. Grant will inevitably
disappear into his own N.O.X tunnel. His magick will lead there, yet the
universe cannot accept this as a status quo, emergence will occur, unto
the universe, vivified, one assumes.K. Grant, and wife seem, to my
mind,to have worked within fascinating,dark, aspects, and been able to
transmit that work to the student. Surely, a thorough study of N.O.X
would provde a greater illumination of L.V.X? Light & Life!
Topic RE: Thelema or K.Grant? posted by Thelemite888 User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 05:19 AM
Very interesting.when I did read Grant, long ago, I did grasp the point,
i thought.Now knowing set is a half of the whole, one does consider;
n.o.x is a part, a process, as is l.v.x. Grants theories have not been
echoed, except as a partiality; not the totality grant states, there is a
specific work i must locate,more later.
Topic RE: Thelema or K.Grant? posted by lvxmagician User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 04:28 PM
We have much in agreement but I feel that Grant is schismatic and that
he see's what he believes to be truth in his own way - that is not my
way and not my Thelema! Grant was, and still is, expelled from true OTO
and from that I must assume from the LVX as well. Set is not the god of
Thelema! Tunnels of Set and dodgy Gematria seem to create only a fancy
of Grant's own creation. In fact, friends of mine actually wonder what
he will invent next!
Happy era vulgaris in the light 93 93/93
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution. K.Grant. posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 07:55 PM
Greetngs LVX. (Blue is my friend and pupil, he writes on my behalf on occasion, though I'll answer this one;)
I/we totally agree, LVX, to my mind, Thelema is the most supremely HOLY, deeply esoteric Religion on the Planet!
It has as though the fates dictated that my early, then later
experiences, would mould me into the ideal Thelemite. I studied
Bhuddism, Egyptian Gods, and Qabalistic magic, yet still hungered, for
me it was as if:-Say, for e.g, I was a physics student; intensely
interested, yet I'd learnt all I could find, and then, i found a
biography, of a man who apparently taught 'Quantum physics,' he also had
great knowledge of my previous studies, providing deep insight indeed.
The first time i read Liber Al, The Holy Revelation was like a diamond
bullet, right between the eyes! so, thats my basic stance on Thelema.
Kenneth Grant was, to my mind, an excellent interperator of The Master
Therion's abstruse way of writing; (just chatting,) when it was time, I
left the city to live in Wales, 200 quid in my pocket, My Guru (for 5-6
yrs,) had decided independantly to move to Wales, I kipped on his couch a
couple of weeks, read Grants 3 part interperatation of 'The Formula of
the Rosy Cross.' Then, it was easy to obtain; a Scarlet Woman; a
property with land to grow food, a young goat, a black kitten, (Grant
had reccomended doing this as full manifestation of Astroglyphs:
Baphomet and Sekhmet.) This operation, 1982, was wonderful, thanks to
Grant.
I'm currently reading Grant: The Magical revival, you say He's given
Thelema a bad tag, I'm not so sure, maybe He just interprets 'truth.'
Well, here's wishing one and all a wonderful 08! Red.
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution. posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 03:56 PM
Hi Blue,
I see your point but Thelema is not dark,disturbing or evil. People
wrongly confuse the later years of Aleister Crowley's life -with it's
drugs,sex and depravity - with the ideals of OTO and A.'.A.'.
Perhaps Typhonians add to the confusion, and kenneth Grant's books
perpetuate myths of his own making, to include the Setian centred cult
which is the product only of his own preferences.
True Thelema is Solar and quasi-masonic. It is definately not Satanic or dark. 93 93/93
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution. posted by Blue User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 03:01 PM
Here, Red Dragon declares that by Crowleys work,by Marabus's work, and
those who have to remain secret, the 'job' is done, ahead of schedule!
We cannot be stopped now, soon we will achieve 'critical mass.'
Thelema may seem dark, disturbing,'evil' even, yet the point of the
religion is to give all mankind the magickal blessings intended,
currently under restriction.
Bless.
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution. posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 06:43 AM
For two things are done, and a third begun.
Let the magus sit and conjure: I am Baphomet, that is the eightfold word that shall be equilibriated with the three.
Thou shalt scream with the joy and the pain and the fear and the love-yea, this is the lion roar of my rapture.
This is our law, the law of the Strong.
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution. posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 04:30 AM
O.K.
Therefore strike hard and low, and to Hell with them, Master!
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution. posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 02:51 AM
From the Thelemic point of view Red Dragon.From the Thelemic point of
view!!NOT from the GD revivalist point of view!!!!!!!!!!!!!
93 Fraternally
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution. posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 02:01 PM
Just for the sake of clarity I add the following dictionary definition of persecution:
a program or campaign to exterminate, drive away, or subjugate a people because of their religion, race, or beliefs.
As an after thought, I wonder what other prejudices these groups and
individuals may have - perhaps you only ever find out when, or if they
let you join?
We can only imagine!
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Topic RE: Thelemite persecution. posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:54 PM
Thanks for your comments.My primary stance on these matters is that we
are dealing with ignorant people. There seems to be a trend emanating,
primarilly from the USA, that seeks to totally disassociate Golden Dawn
magic from anything smacking of Aleister Crowley.I DO NOT NAME ANY
SINGLE ORGANISATION OR INDIVIDUAL. If it were just an academic exercise
of putting all Thelemic texts to one side, then that would be
understandable, but to deny association and membership to people just
because they are wholly or just partly Thelemic is nothing short of
religious persicution. Full membership is open to every other religion
and creed.It is openly stated that Thelemites are not welcome and if
they are accepted it is on the understanding that they accept no further
advancement than the Portal Grade.This is ignorant,narrow minded and
bigotted persicution unprecedented on any scale since the twentieth
century with its apartide and racism.
It is totally unfair to label all Thelemites as unwelcome, as if they
were all identical in some undesirable way.I know dozens of Thelemites
and we are all very different people.One of our common threads is an
interest in, and an involvement with, Thelema but most of us have
'other' diverse spiritual and magickal interests and commitments.
Again, I have to point out how sad all of this has made me feel. I would
love SAFF to identify the culprits with a challenge for them to change
their ways. It would be good if SAFF could warn its members and S.A
clients about attempting to join these 'orders' by compiling a list of
the worst offenders - because I am not just speaking about one Golden
Dawn style order here but several - all of whom can be easily located on
the internet with their prejudices shamelessly advertised for all to
see. AWFUL.
Topic RE: THELEMITES PERSICUTED/THE NEW JEWS posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 11:04 AM
"I was a member of SAFF years ago.I think that it might be needed again in the future!"
The need for this organisation hs never gone away. I urge anyone reading this to join.
Topic RE: no need to feel powerless posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 08:00 AM
Whoa! Totally agree Matt as far as 'go to your Temple.' Thereafter do as your True will dictates. Good luck
Topic RE: no need to feel powerless posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 07:55 AM
Totally agree Matt!
For accuracy; The Hermetic order of The Golden Dawn was apparently
Re-initiated in 1977 by an anonymous figure who does not claim
'institutional' lineage, rather, He/She was taught by the late Israel
Regadie, and claims 'initiatory' lineage. This order has flourished
throughout U.S.A under numerous names of G.D. Temples. Apparently now in
U.K. they are not Thelemite. As Matt advises, you know the ritual, why
not work solo, if it be your true will to do so? Best wishes,
LVX.Magician, hope that helps clarify the situation. Best wishes.
Topic no need to feel powerless posted by matt User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 07:17 AM
You know ritual you know magic .you dont have to put up with they's
mortal's making thing's hell.Get to your temple and make them wish they
had never uncoverd that side of your life.
Topic Thelemite persecution. posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 07:16 AM
Something isn't right.
The Golden Dawn is The Third ,outer order of Thelema.
Topic THELEMITES PERSICUTED/THE NEW JEWS posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 05:36 AM
I am furious and outraged!!!I have been a member of a Thelemic Order (!)
for several years, with many more years besides, NOT being a member, to
find that I am persicuted by other occultist's and so called orders.
Please UNDERSTAND that the title of this this email is serious and in no
way diminishes the horror of something like the holocaust!
Quite simply, my being a Thelemite ( So what! ) actually excludes me
from either partial or full membership of several Golden Dawn ( type )
magickal orders - one or two of which are led by the new leading authors
and doyens of this subject area.One such leader is even an EX 5th
degree of OTO who has the intolerant obnoxiousness to limit progress to
Portal, but usually forbades membership (full stop.) to any Thelemite!
What the blazers is going on??? I maybe a Thelemite, but I am also
pagan,a mystic,in many ways a Christian,and the list goes on: because
the magickal and mystical journey takes on may conflicting views,ideas
and opinions. I think that it is so sad that these narrow minded bigots
are running Orders -so called! In my 20 plus years of the occult, I feel
so disgusted with this sort of ignorance and intolerance.This is the
sort of nightmare that I had hoped to escape from, by meeting broad (
not narrow!!) minded people!
Sadly, even though very secretive, I have to say that over the years
people have discovered some of my beliefs, from time to time, and I have
lost employment because of it.I have been persicuted at university for
it etc etc ( and that was a time of intense secrecy!). I guess that
there are quite a few of us that have come in for our unfair share of
injustice, whether innocently,as in my own case - or perhaps niavely in
the case of others? My major shock is the Thelema thing! I really feel
as though I am blacklisted and the whole dreadfully twisted situation is
beginning to make me paranoid and a little upset!
Are there others out there who are experiencing the same thing? If so,
what measures can we take to both protect and promote spiritual
tolerance and understanding? Can small minded people meet us half wayI
wonder?If so then how?
I was a member of SAFF years ago.I think that it might be needed again in the future!
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Topic RE: can magick have a cure for depression?? posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 07:47 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Hi sara maybe you should look into a herb called vervain,as inderpendent
reserch sugests it could help in depression, im not sure if the SA has
it.But you should find information on this great herb and decide for you
self.But you should see a doctor first,there are many ways to help with
depression nowdays.Take care
Blessings Chris.
BI>[INFOBURST: Chris is correct The S.A. do stock and sell Vervain
for use in incenses etc for more information and prices go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/herboils.htm
and scroll down the A-Z list to Vervain ]
Topic RE: can magick have a cure for depression?? posted by Denise W User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 01:13 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Greetings Sara, It depends very much on the type of depression you
suffer from and the state of your Nature. The medical profession has not
fully understood nor tested occult methods of controlling the
introspective mind. Marabas has outlined one of the most effective
genuine methods in his OEXP073 SECRETS OF COPING WITH LIFE, DEPRESSION
AND MENTAL ANGUISH: which explains how to use a simple meditation
technique to take control of it and keep that state permanently rather
than allowing the mind to settle into a trough of despondancy and then
trying the 'impossible' task of climbing out. Marabas also recommends
the adoption of a Taoist Diet (see his OEXP072) which rebalances the
body and mind and often removes one of the precursors for depression
(allergy foods). You can download OEXP072 and OEXP073 instantly and read
them right now benefitting immediately by going to
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm and scrolling down to OEXP072 and OEXP073 for more info.
There are many natural herbs and plants which can have an effect on
mental states but you should clear any and all of these with your doctor
because some of them could interfere with the blood balance of the
brain if you are already taking certain prescription drugs. St John's
wort does work if you take it over a long period of time (builds up).
You should also consider the use of Ginkgo Biloba which increases the
permeability of the blood-brain barrier and allows an enriched blood
supply to flow into the brain often raising the mood and thinking
ability. Marabas has written an OEXP on Ginkgo Biloba which covers this
and other advantages of its use.
See http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls htm and scroll down
to GINKGO BILOBA; THE SACRED TREE OF THE TAOISTS: (OEXP068) for more
information and to download it instantly. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: can magick have a cure for depression?? posted by Denise W User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 01:12 PM
Respondent's should beware giving what might be
construed by Xists as medical advice. Forum users
should make clear in their replies that any ideas or
methods for cures are unproven and included only for
curiosities sake.
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic posted by Stargirl User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:33 PM
Thank you for your posts which I find really interesting &
enlightening. I was wondering do you have any experience with Sigil
magic? because there is a certain man friend who I wish to be deeply in
love with me & thus far, my candlemagic etc has completely failed. I
am a new seeker. Please help!
Topic can magick have a cure for depression?? posted by sara User
posted on December 20, 2007 at 02:57 PM
Hi everyone, I have been suffering with depression for 5 years due to
traumatic events in childhood etc & I want to know has anyone here
tried anything which alleviated the sadness and low feelings??
I am taking St John's Wort but it doesn't seem to be working.
Please help if you can!
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic posted by John D User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:23 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Electronic Magician.... Glad you are finding the forum useful - it
certainly seems to have taken off with a high-level of debate so far.
Where to start atoning with Gaia? Simplest way is to choose a tree and
meld with it using the psychic exercise outlined in Marabas's OEXP011 on
COMMUNING WITH NATURE SPIRITS - wonderful! It will surely link you with
gaia in a manner beyond words particularly if you DO love trees
(intuitive preference is always the way to go)
see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm and scroll down to OEXP011.
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic posted by John D User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:12 PM
Puretongue... Ah, the paranoia of the Scientific method! :-) I agree
that there is no such thing as absolute proof, just as there's no such
thing as absolute truth - I am not a believer in the scientific method
which, let's face it, has become something akin to a Sacred religion in
the minds of some intellectuals - witness all that scaremongering about
Global Warming driven by self-righteous moralisers which is lining the
pockets of academe at present. The QBL is a far more powerful and
flexible logic aid to understanding the way humans interface with the
universe anyway. However, if anyone asks for 'scientific proof' then it
is there according to the scientists' own system. Like you I can see
many flaws in any experiment designed to analyse lucky charms but they
pubished the results and it was accepted as such so goes into the record
books and is worth a quote, if only to be trotted out whenever your
local JW knocks on the door for the next round of debate. ;-) John D
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 09:20 PM
Oh boy!!!!!!!!!!!
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 08:09 AM
I am somewhat epicurean in my approach to life as a whole. So I am the
same with magic. I'm only really interested in whether I see the
fruition of my desires in my own life and those people I care about.
I'm definitely interested in looking at and studying the possible
machinations and the dynamics of what might be at work. But it is not
with the express desire to convince myself it's real or effective. The
results themselves do that.
Certainly though, it is fascinating.
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic posted by electronicmagician User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:16 PM
It's fantastic to get so many replies. As far as Magic goes I don't need
to convince anybody but myself. The remote viewing that I did for a
week in Wales was with David Morehouse of the American Stargate
programme and some of the results were fantastic. (And a lot of the
University results seemed just as convincing.)
I logic behind the remote viewing seemed flawed - Using somebody's
random number to access directly, details of a target in a sealed
envelope! - But one set of results in particular were amazing and are
available if anybody wants to see them.
I felt at the end of the training that everything and everybody is
directly connected. - It felt like The Matrix revisited but it was true
that the main problem with reching a "connective" state seemed hindered
most by my own brain analysing the images.
I truly believe that you get everything that you truly want/need.
None of the modern conventional religions seem to offer much, other than
restrictions, - being brought up a catholic seems a mistake and my 3
children haven't picked their religion yet.
I tend to like the idea of the natural Earth ideas - Romanticised in the books of Charles de Lindt.
Any comments on where to start to get closer to the natural religions. (I do love trees!)
Sorry about the rambling posting. - Not sure really what I'm trying to say - Hopefully somebody else will.
Thanks,
Brian
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Topic RE: The Occult - Magic posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 03:27 PM
Hi John.
I'm not aware of the lucky charm study but reading your account of it I
can just hear scientism's cry. Was the benefit because people knew they
had a charm? Did the others have a placebo charm? Was the study double
blind? Was the effect "merely" subjective? And so on. Even if all these
conditions were met, they would launch into the statistical method used,
or object to public funds being spent in this wasteful way etc.
Anything rather than face up to the truth.
Hence the waste of energy that convincing them represents. I'd stick
with convincing myself any day. Far more productive use of my time.
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic posted by John D User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 01:10 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Hi Brian, Puretongue's idea that the brain incarcerates us is very
interesting. It reflects some of M's teachings with regard to the way
the three parts of the brain function ( see his OEXP072 and OEXP73 on
Coping with Life, Depression and Mental Anguish through Taoist
Meditation -
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm) where he lays down
the constant conflict between the minds and how these create 'reality'.
Of course you only have to look at what happens here at the S.A. almost
every day to find examples of magic working in inexplicable ways and
after 35 years of it there can be no better proof that magic DOES exist
(see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm for examples ).
However M says that proof will hardly ever occur to cynics because the
catalyst to producing magical effects is the subjective mind-states of
the magician. The correct balance of mind cannot be created if cynical
or skeptical mind states are present which amplifies what Puretongue was
saying about the impossibility of pandering to the requirements of the
scientific method.
That said, there have been 'scientific' attempts to quantify magic. In
one instance a couple of years ago a British University professor
undertook an extensive study. He issued his testers with special lucky
charms and then quantified the results from his sample group. The
experiment actually proved that statistically people with the lucky
charm enjoyed more success and fulfillment in their lives than the ones
without.
The Occult Census (see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/census.htm )
produced in depth research findings from nearly 2,000 working
occultists which proved that magick DOES work for them. Regards John D
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:25 AM
Hi - we are the same age with roughly the same amount number of years involvement under our belts.
If you're looking to prove things to others, rather than yourself, you
are on a hiding to nothing. They will either accept the flimsiest of
pretexts for success, or demand standards of proof that would make even
the hardest of physical science impossible to demonstrate. Rarely do you
find a common sense reaction to anything you offer.
As society's beliefs are deeply rooted within each of us, the above
mechanism is quite likely still at work in you (as it is in me) - it
takes quite some work to remove. I would suggest that you will never
satisfy the left brain standard of proof which has grown out of the
sciences. If that is your quest I would give up now. The main thing to
do is to use a magical method - and in my experience which method is
irrelevant at first - until you start to realise that the results you
are getting are higher than chance level would account for.
Then start looking at what elements worked for you, and build from there.
Topic The Occult - Magic posted by electronicmagician User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 12:04 AM
At 48 years old and having looked at the occult for around 30 years I still am not sure what is real.
Two years ago I went on a residential remote viewing course (I am the
technical director of a UK PLC) and I wanted "proof". I have designed
new brain-wave analysers and such but I also design "magic" for the
likes of Derren Brown or Yuri Geller. - This isn't real (I design it!)
but something, I hope, must be.
What is the quickest path to proof?
I really want to be convinced.
Funnily enough though - I always get EVERYTHING that I want materially. - Unfortunately not in all other forms of life.
Kind regards,
Brian
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Topic Home page posted by Marty User
posted on April 07, 2009 at 10:29 AM
edited on April 08, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Just a suggestion, has the SA considered putting notice of closing dates
for holidays and stocktaking etc in advance like the banner they use on
the site at Christmas? I for one would find it useful as I have been
caught out when needing something in a hurry.
Thanks
[Infoburst: Hi Marty, sorry to hear you were delayed. We banner our site
at Xmas because the post stops and many people need to know when the
last posting days are to make sure of getting their order in beforehand.
During the year there's usually someone looking after the S.A. emails
and enquiries even over bank holidays so unless customer's leave it VERY
late we can usually hit their deadlines in one way or another. And as M
always says, an occultist in a hurry is one who hasn't planned at
length.;-) It can be counterproductive to banner at Bank Holidays
because we are usually so quick in despatch that the difference is
negligible. If there are going to be lengthy stoppages we always banner
so customers know what to expect but the gods always have their fun and
there's always someone who places an order ten minutes after the banner
has gone up! :-) BB Denise W. ]
Topic SA Suggestions posted by AnnB User
posted on February 10, 2009 at 10:54 AM
I was reading all the messages on this forum it is very wise of Marabas
to protect all who want to buy from the shop. A long while ago I
belonged to an Occult Church reaching the highest grade, it was then
informed on all records were taken away by police and the Church closed
down,so be grateful for this procedure.
Many Blessings Just look on the website where many of closest friends
one especially dear to me has been pilloried consistently I have had to
give her much protection through this pilloring and will continue to do
if it be necessary.
Topic RE: magical knives posted by kimball User
posted on February 07, 2009 at 04:17 PM
thanks infoburst
Topic RE: magical knives posted by Satan User
posted on February 05, 2009 at 12:16 PM
edited on February 05, 2009 at 01:41 PM
Black traditionally indicates the force as originating in the feminine; night, to work upon the forces of day-manifestation.
Apply the reverse concept to white-analyse.
[Infoburst: Now you've just gone and proven my point by spouting
rubbish. Magicians can have any coloured dagger handle they like.
Marabas teaches that the debate between black and white handled is
linked solely to the requirements of traditional witchcraft which was
established during days of persecution when to be found with an athame
meant death, hence witches would keep one white and one black handled
athame (both unmarked ordinary knives) in their cutlery drawer which
would not be suspicous to an inquisitor. If all the rest of the knife
handles in the drawer were white, then the holy athame for witchcraft
use would be black handled and vice versa, leaving it to be easily
identified and kept unused but for sacred purposes. If only people would
check Marabas's OEXPS before they forced an unchecked opinion on others
it would save us and them a lot of time and raise the standard of
debate a little. See Marabas's OEXP062 Constructing Athames/Magical Knives here for full instructions on how to make yours BB Denise W.
Topic magical knives posted by kimball1 User
posted on February 05, 2009 at 09:53 AM
Does a magician have to have a white handle knife or can it be black handle.
Topic RE: Robes. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 13, 2008 at 09:59 PM
Hi Denise,
Robes-Great news! I 'dissapeared' for 14 years, must have been then you did robes.
I'd definately like a professional robe(s)! (email soon)
Many Thanks!
Topic RE: Robes. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Anon. You made a good point but now your invalidating it. Dennise is
away at the moment and obviously cant answer your question and no-one
with any experience is going to pander to you. Most of us have had very
pleasing service from the S.A. I have NEVER had a complaint with there
aftersales. Respect yourself
Ricenpeas
Now Im really going offline.
Topic RE: Robes. posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 11:27 AM
How about replying to emails???
Topic Robes. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 05, 2008 at 01:32 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:37 PM
Greetings,
Have S.A. considered emplying a seamstress to make Robes?
I have basic patterns, but the're a sod to make.
To get a standard Thelemic-full face slight;y conical hood, with six
pointed star on it, for example, one must purchase from the U.S.A., the
shipping is unreliable, and the sizes limited.
A company did open briefly, with a stupid name begining 'Occult', yeh, I
can see that going down well (Not) at my xstian bank, and, by the way,
the boss simply stole the money I sent Him! S.A. DO NOT behave in such a
foul/stupid manner. That company is now closed, So, any chance of
tailormade Robes, People?
There is, I believe, a large, waiting, market!
Best Wishes.
[Infoburst: Yes Babalonuit888, for many years the SA provided what
was arguably the best (copyrighted) designed tried-and-tested
fully-functional magical and meditational robe ever for all paths - but
the sheer volume of orders over-ran the capabilities of home seamstress
production on many occasions entailing disruption of supplies and
staccatto-like service for clients so that Marabas eventually withdrew
them from our lists. We do hope to be able to provide them again in the
not too distant future and if anyone is interested they can email me on
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk and I will put them on a mailing list for news as and when. BB Denise W. P.S.
There is an old picture of Marabas wearing one of these robes here.
Topic S.A staff posted by T User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 11:10 AM
I don't know where this should go so I am going to put it here. So often
Marabas and Denise are praised (and rightly so) for there fantastic
help and knowledge but lets not forget the others that make up the team.
I don't know how many people work at the SA but I would like to give
Paula a pat on the back who has on many occasions given me some great
help and friendly advice when I have phoned to order or enquire about
things. And how does she always know who she is speaking to and remember
everyones name with such a huge client list? I think it must be
something in the Leeds water! (wink)
Thankyou!
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Topic RE: temple kits different designs for different books posted by kimball User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 01:25 PM
yes i know what you mean has m ever thort about drawing tho's seal's up
clearly and giving them along with any one who buys the sixth and
seventh books of moses in the future.
Topic RE: temple kits different designs for different books posted by Jannes User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 03:45 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 02:19 PM
Kimball's posting here caught my eye. Wasn't there a posting
already on 6/7th books of Moses ? Very powerful book for Hoodoo
magic but the illustrations of the seals in Wippler Gonzalez's
translatiion are not clear enough to make out very well. Got it
from S.A. ages ago. Necronomicon is great even just for a read
in itself. Spellkits would be interesting.
[Infoburst: I agree Jannes, the seals are minute considering the amount
of sigilisation on them and this doesn't help with clarity. Marabs says
that readers have to keep in mind that these seals have been copied and
re-copied many times and in the original sacred texts were themselves in
poor definition being woodcuts which do not lend themselves to fine
details. Hence some of sigils on the seals have been 'lost' in this
copying process and under such circumstances the best thing for
researchers to do is to simply reproduce what is there and leave any
corrections or amends to the user. Far better that way than to modify
the seals and perhaps introduce inadvertent errors which will be carried
forward permanently. BB Denise W.
If seekers want to put themselves on the list for news of the reprint of the 6/7th Book of Moses then go here. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Weed the Garden posted by Michael. User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Greetings Denise, hope you are well.
Thank Heaven you have such insight.
My new Temple is, at last, prepared, perhaps I shall write in 6-8
months, carefully explaing my work. Having listened, I shall rigourously
apply the guidelines You have clearly explained.
I never meant meant any harm in your forum, you are exceptionably reasonable, Denise.
Sincere best wishes to all, Michael.
Topic temple kits different designs for different books posted by kimball User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 10:25 AM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 02:12 PM
The s.a all ready make's a temple kit. have they consider making one
that includes equipment design for the necronomicon or the sixth and
seventh books of moses.
[Infoburst: Though kits for all interests might seem a good idea it
isn't. Technically there are three main strains of transmogrification
(see Marabas's Paths to Magic Tape for full breakdown and analysis (http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/staroffr.htm
) and the two requiring paraphernalia are Paganism and Hermetic Magic.
Anyone versed in the basics of Hermetic Magic knows that the type of
magic contained in the 6/7th Book of Moses
is pure qabbalistic theurgy and is a fairly straightforward
modification of basic hermetic technique. Similarly, though the names of
the entities may differ and the terminology may have a slightly
different shade the magic of the Necronomicon is again a modification of
basic hermetic technique. Thus it necessary for a beginner to master
those basic techniques FIRST and once familiar with them he/she will see
how to
advance to experiment with Cthulu or Hebraic talismans in the 6/7th Book of Moses. That's why we only offer the
Complete Magician's Temple Kit and/or the
Pagan Home Temple Kit BB Denise W. ]
Topic Books posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 07:08 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 01:57 PM
Hi Dennis. I cant get the book list up. is it down for long. Looking for
Crowleys 8 lectures in yoga(lol its great). Also are there copies of
Libre Null available published under the S.A.
[Infoburst: Sorry about that Ricenpeas, the booklist page on our website was down for a while but you can reach it okay now on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/books1.htm
The Sorcerer's Apprentice press first edition Liber Null was a
collector's distribution small scale limited edition and sold out many
years ago but there is now a combined edition containing Liber Null and
Carroll's other work Psychonaut (two for the price of one?)
which you can order direct from here for by-return despatch.
BB, Denise W. ]
Topic Weed the Garden posted by Rex User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 09:04 PM
edited on July 03, 2008 at 08:31 AM
Denise/All,
Am I the only person who sees a lot of raving going on on this forum by one
person using several aliases (We all know who I mean). Verbal diharrhea being
spewed out by a total pseudo who thinks he's a cut above the rest. My suggestion
is that bullshit and waffle postings are removed more often. Pull the weeds
please.
Thanks, Rex.
[Infoburst: If anyone talks shite in this forum then it gets deleted but
there is a fine line between New Age Nonsense and Philosophical genius.
I have already (elsewhere) taken Draconuit to task over spouting
superfluous allegory and couching suppositions enigmatically which not
only mislead newcomers but can often be misread by experienced
occultists as provocations, leading to flaming. We all have to keep in
mind what the SAEF was incepted for, and that is to act as a community
pool of information for all Sorcerer's Apprentice clients whether
beginners or advanced. A conscious part of this process (to allow
amongst other things for beginners not wanting to make fools of
themselves) was allowing total anonymity for contributors. 'Rex' cannot
complain if 'Draconuit' also chooses to contribute under several other
pseudonyms. What is important is the CONTENT of the messages and its
applicability to others I constantly prune a lot of input from people as
well as Draconuit but there is no need to throw the baby out with the
bathwater. Draconuit has proved he has some valuable things to
contribute and he knows full well that if his claptrap rating goes
beyond 40% of the content I will delete anything which he posts. This, I
feel, is the best way of making the SAEF all-encompassing. If you don't
agree with something Draconuit says then be my guest and educate us
all. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Email link. posted by Michael. User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 04:13 PM
Caligula seemed to wish action by the senate. email: the art would be in
the name. The formation of words the personality, as usual. This can be
done, but after another manner. Certain; physical confimation, it
works. Of what One found: Fr. is right, you are right, fundies. 1.
Didn't get too close, dissapeared fast. Peace.
New era.Good Luck.Michael.
Topic Copyright. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Many thanks, Denise, I was not entirely hoodwinked then.
Since 1989 I searched for a number transmitted to me.
I eventually found it as a numbered work deep in the bowels of one
equinox volume, out of print. The claim to copyright was passed from
O.T.O. I downloaded it, (I would have bought it, if I could.)
This is, I realise, the culmination of my lifes work.
I cannot, therefore, object to out of print works being available, for
study by those of Equinox level, though I wish Weiser would produce an
unending supply, with the option of buying one work.If I have sinned, I
will pay. Yes, I too have found Californian O.T.O. most
pleasing. Genuine, devoted, clean etc.
Not aware of the restriction in America, Canada etc. I cannot
judge. However, I am duty bound to alert my fellow aspirants to our
strict morality code. Enough waffling! Your answer, most enlightening.
Pleased Fr. M. likes Fr. H.B. This Brazilian sounds like 'just another'
little Hitler, probably with a deep seated sense of inadequacy, that He
wishes to proclaim; "My ego's better than yours." Hell always begins
with the ego.
Thankyou, best wishes, D.
Topic Copyright. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 11:00 PM
edited on June 26, 2008 at 08:39 AM
Would S.A. be so kind as to clarify, who actually holds full, legal
copyright to The Equinox volumes, and all other works by Crowley,
please? (I read a claim to copyright, which I
am compelled to investigate;) Thankyou.
[Infoburst: According to Marabas The Crowley Copyrights are a vexed
rat's nest of legalities and counter claims linked fundamentally to
several competing claims from groups claiming to be the antecedents of
Crowley's OTO . Legal control over much of Crowley's magical work has
been awarded to the Californian OTO in USA courts but the Brazilian
Marcello Motta claims to have a very strong case also and the two have
been at loggerheads for many decades over this. Marabas tends to err
with the Californian O.T.O because, amongst many other positive
connections, when fundamentalists firebombed the S.A. in 1989 Hymena
Beta of the Calif. OTO wrote him a very kind personal letter of support
and urged him to continue, whereas Marcello Motta wrote him letters
threatening legal action for breach of copyright because the S.A. sold
Califorian OTO publications! By their works are they knowest. Of course
essentially it doesn't really matter who has the coypright on Crowley's
works as long as they are accurately edited and kept in print for
Thelemites to benefit from. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Nostalgia and appreciation posted by anonymous User
posted on June 19, 2008 at 07:50 AM
edited on June 19, 2008 at 03:46 PM
The biggest drawback to meeting Marabas in his shop back then was that
you always came out with twice as much stuff as you'd gone in for.
Not a problem with mail order :-)
[Infoburst: You and me both! The atmosphere in the shop was VERY potent
and it sort of took hold of people. Some would queue up at the counter
to speak to M and they were so glad to find an adept whom they could
trust they would often pour out their innermost problems whilst 20 more
people waited behind them to do the same. Not exactly confidential but
highly absorbing because there was a kind of communal cross-pollination
of problems and M's solutions.
The egregore at that time was VERY positive and it kind of developed
into a personal group encounter thing but was close to getting out of
hand due to the sheer volume of people wanting his time. There used to
be customers who had actually camped outside the shop when we got there
some Saturdays to be first in to gain some of M's time! There is a
continuous push-pull relationship between gurus and chelas and M has
been very careful not to allow a personality cult to develop because,
rightly, he says his job is to empower others not make them dependent
upon someone else. He has seen far too many adepts consumed by the
incessant, if understandable, demands of their pupils so that was
another reason why he began to put emphasis on other methods of reaching
as many people as possible without losing the essence of his teachings.
BB Denise W.]
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Topic Nostalgia and appreciation posted by John User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 07:08 AM
edited on June 19, 2008 at 03:32 PM
Hi All,
I got to visit the SA shop on a few Saturdays when I worked in Yorkshire
in the 90's and it was a great place. An Aladdin's cave as they used to say !
The benefit of person to person speech and rapport can't be matched by
email and the like as we have to bear in mind email will always be limited
because it can be misused by snoops and enemies and the nanny State.
I never did meet Frater Marabas but another man 'M' managing the shop
was a great guy and made my visits very enjoyable and pointed me in
the direction of some great stuff. Frater Marabas has done so much and
continues to do so, and what is also great about the SA is that he has
Great assistants and representatives as exemplified in Denise, so my
Thanks to Denise and all at the SA for being the best. You are deeply
appreciated. John.
[Infoburst: Aw shucks John, now you made me blush... Well we do try
harder (if we didn't M would crack the whip more ;-)) and it's always
nice to have that recognised. You are probably referring to Mark, who
used to manage the shop for many years and did a great job of assisting
many souls to develop. He was imortalised in the Cook Report's deplorable and discredited 'Devil's Work' shown
on screen using a video camera filming Cook filming us! You don't need
to worry about the content of emails - the really confidential ones are
always encrypted and we only use customer numbers, not names and address
details in them anyway so identification on-line would be almost
impossible for any snoopers. M thinks of everything. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view. posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 01:34 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Only just found your post. Point taken. The Golden Dawn ressurected in
kentucky (I think) under odd circumstances. However, we're
stuck with a system that refers to the first order as G.D.
I shall clarify this. I have to be very careful with the inner orders
explanation also, but that's what I am, having read about pigeon
sacrifice(???) I feel obliged to give a very brief outline of what we
are. I'll amend G.D. to O.T.O.
It might be wisest to simply state that the two higher orders are
invisible. Thanks for everything.(Putting up with my nature included!)
[Infoburst:
Hi Draconuit - we are getting a little off-message here so I have
started a new thread on the Antecedency of the Golden Dawn and
transferred your contributions there to facilitate an expansion of your
comments by others. BB Denise W. BTW it's par for the course that
occultists' comments are likely to be abstruse but always keep in mind
that this is a public forum where ANYONE can surf. If you make tongue in
cheek metaphorical remarks - such as the one above about pigeon
sacrifice - please make sure you plainly qualify it with (joke!) (lol)
or a smiley (:-) to avoid Xists seizing upon it as their tiny minds are
wont to do! ] ;-)
Topic One pointedness. posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 01:14 AM
Greetings Denise,
I realised there might be a space for a pamphlet on one pointedness,
concentration on point within circle, expansion to take in circle not
shifting gaze, etc.
Best Wishes.
Topic sending cash/euros posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 01:10 AM
edited on June 26, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Cheers Dennis Im sure 1 will compliment the other. Can I send Euros through the post and what is the exchange rate.
rienpeas
[Infoburst:
Yes, we accept Euros at the ruling day rate plus 3.5 percent for handling. You can work this out by going to
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/currenco.htm to get the current
bank exchange rate for Euros against the pound and then just times this
by 3.5 divided by 100 to get the extra 3.5 percent handling charge - we
will provide an itemised receipt showing the breakdown and accounting of
the order as is our usual practice. We recommend that customers send
cash by registered post but many overseas clients trust to luck and I
can't remember when one was last disappointed. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: THE S.A. SUGGESTION BOX: Any Hints, Tips,
Improvements, Corrections You Want Us To Make? posted
by RP User
posted on June 17, 2008 at 08:29 PM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 08:34 AM
Hi Denise,
Yes I sometimes forget that the SA has had a great deal of trouble with -
particular aspects- of the Establishment.In my own way I feel that I
have had my own problems with those forces as well. It sounds a little
paranoid, but sometimes you can't help but think that they know who we
all are and what we are doing ( Big Brother gone thought police mad!
lol). Even back in 1988 I was followed after leaving the shop at Hyde
Park and also intermittently after that - so makes you wonder!!
Best RP
Well there you are you see, RP, you've proved my point for me. One of
the many reasons why M does not allow callers at the shop is to protect
their own interests. Fundies are on record as 'staking out' occult shops
and trying to identify calling customers who have 'vulnerable'
positions and then 'outing' them at work, to their landlords, etc. Now
many occultists have big enough balls to delight in such afrays and
would say 'bring 'em on' but others are in particularly sensitive
positions and do not want their professional careers unneccessarily
destroyed by bigots. Marabas has always stressed the importance of
confidentiality and his successful ways of dealing with this is one
reason why VIPs patronise the S.A. People often forget that it is
against our financial interests to stop customers calling and that M's
decision to protect his clients is a considerable sacrifice which he
would not countenance unless he thought it best thus many other occult
supply businesses seek to minimise or dispute these dangers in order to
avoid having to make the same sacrifices. As you can see - this subject
is VERY extensive and these examples are just a way of illustrating the
hidden care which clients of the S.A. enjoy - often without realising
it. All the best Denise W. ]
Topic RE: THE S.A. SUGGESTION BOX: Any Hints, Tips,
Improvements, Corrections You Want Us To Make? posted
by RP User
posted on June 14, 2008 at 06:40 PM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Hi Denise,
Well I still think that it is a real shame that the S.A is strictly mail
order only! I remember the shop days and I miss them. I think that
Marabas has a lot to offer and I am surprised that he has become so
reclusive. There are many genuine S.A clients who would like to meet
Marabas, if only briefly,for instance when buying things or perhaps at
an occasional lecture. I feel that Marabas' decision to be unattainable
will damage the legacy of the S.A in the long term. I have been a client
for 23 years and I have studied everything that he has recorded and
published. He has achieved greatness, so why not share a bit of that by
meeting people face to face just once in a while? Well the question was
about how the S.A could improve and this is my take on things!
Best Wishes RP
[Infoburst. Point well taken RP, you are not alone in wanting this -
Marabas himself would prefer it but there are extensive ramifications of
which you are not aware which disable him from achieving it and the
masterly way he has handled things will be seen historically as a fine
legacy once everyone cottons on after he shuffles off this mortal coil.
Remember, M pronounced in 1988 at the height of the myth that forces of
suppression were out to destroy the S.A. utterly in order to push
esotericism under-ground again and deny access to the Ancient Wisdom for
every genuine seeker. The entire weight of the Establishment was
brought to bear to do this - and due to M's wise actions failed. Thus
the S.A. treads a fine tightrope as the standard bearer for genuine
esotericists and balancing these conflicting forces is something he has
to do for aeonic reasons. Anyone who sees his actions as a personal
afront has totally misread what is happening. As I have mentioned
elsewhere on the SAEF he hopes to set up an on-line lecture/chat room in
the near future which should be useful for those who want more contact
with him. Will let you know as things progress. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Chill out space. posted by ONU ( Draconuit.) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 07:20 PM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:14 AM
Greetings Denise,
Unless you object, I'm going to start a 'Chill out' thread.
Best Wishes,
[Please Do So Draconuit - we'll suck it and see.BB Denise W ]
Topic RE: THE S.A. SUGGESTION BOX: Any Hints, Tips,
Improvements, Corrections You Want Us To Make? posted
by Karen User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 01:31 AM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:17 AM
Well, I'm glad I can finally get the magical oils page up on my laptop
again (the yellow page with guides to selected oils). I'm not sure what
happened to it previously; but it's nice to see that it's been
"repaired"...
[Hi Karen, as you found out the Magical Oils List is back up on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/magoils.htm
The effect of the recent and often highly ridiculous consumer protection
legislation has meant that we are having to amend many of our pages for
silly reasons. E.G. We cannot now refer to our Solomonic Pantacle as a
Solomonic Pantacle because we now have to arse-wipe idiots who might be
dim enough to actually believe that it was THE Solomonic Pantacle which
King Solomon used. At 34.95! So to avoid this terrible happenstance of
unintentionally misleading people with only one brain-cell we are having
to amend the title of this item to Solomonic STYLE pentacle. There are
literally hundreds of such changes which are having to be put in place
and so some pages will disappear from our site for a temporary period as
they are being updated. Regular customers can always order or enquire
by email if they need anything. (fastorderATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk / Tel 011x x451309 ) BB. Denise W. ]
Topic RE: THE S.A. SUGGESTION BOX: Any Hints, Tips,
Improvements, Corrections You Want Us To Make? posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 11:28 PM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:01 AM
Thanks Dennis. Im a beginer to Magick and forums but i can always rustle
up a bit of honesty. Im basicaly looking for a forum where i can learn,
share and relax. 2 things that would help a wee novice like me. 1... A
chill out area for lighter conversations. a place where we an be a bit
more playful with our ideas, ask the silly questions and get creative.
2.... some
Topics started by yourself to get us chatting.
Hope this is helpful
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst: Hi Ricenpeas, well, as was only to be suspected I suppose,
this forum has a life of its own and is in part reflecting what you and
other forum surfers put into it. However the SAEF was originally begun
as a kind of live FAQ designed so that our more advanced clientelle
could help new customers in relation to any S.A. products and also
educate them away from the NAN which tends to mislead many newcomers to
esotericism these days. It seems to be serving both those purposes well
so long may it continue. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view. posted by ONU (Draconuit.) User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 06:11 PM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Greetings Denise, I find your forum very good, eclectic and liberal.
I noticed much muddle on The Crowley Thread, and have written a v. brief
explanation of The Golden Dawn, The outermost Thelemic order.
I am competent to outline the further stages- and final order, carefully
disclosing, veiled truths,which some seekers may wish to study further,
in book form.
Any thoughts, Denise? Good idea? Bad idea? I shall, of course, do as you decide.
Light, Life, Love and Liberty.
[infoburst: Hi Draconuit, you must be careful with absolute statements
which may mislead. Anyone following the G.D. system will find your claim
that it is a 'thelemic' order paradoxical. Similarly, though Crowley
was trained initially in the G.D. system and was therefore influenced by
it, in essence the G.D. was/is ante-New Aeon and there is no genuine
thelemic order that we know of that claims the G.D. order itself as a
part of the thelemic system. BB Denise W.
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Topic THE S.A. SUGGESTION BOX: Any Hints, Tips,
Improvements, Corrections You Want Us To Make? posted
by denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 09:40 AM
Hi all, Denise here.
A few forum users have been emailing me directly with suggestions on how
they think we can improve the S.A. service and I thought this might be a
good subject for a thread discussion. So, if you have any constructive
criticisms for changes, or ideas which you think would help us improve
our service to our customers then this thread will remain extant for you
to express them and get clarification on the forum. We invite feedback
from absolute newbies as well as old hands. BB Denise W.
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Topic Smoking ban. posted by Skryer User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 09:27 PM
Semper ubi sub ubi
Always where under where!!
Topic RE: smoking ban posted by Skryer User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 06:48 PM
Einstastz = Nazi Torture, I went to public school, I should have known that!!
Topic smoking ban posted by skryer User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 05:43 PM
sorry i meant ersatz!!
Topic RE: H&H posted by Skryer User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Einsatsz = substitute,
If you have a blending recipe, for a recipe not yet banned why cannot you produce it?
Topic RE: H&H posted by H.H. hed'd pixie User
posted on May 13, 2008 at 03:37 PM
edited on May 17, 2008 at 09:57 AM
Hello
Yes herbal High was a great product i really miss it. Is there any
chance you could start making it again SA? What was the reason you
stopped production?
[Inforburst The S.A. had to stop making Herbal High because new
legislation from Europe (enhanced by the sticky fingers of British
bureaucrats) made it impossible to do. Which is a pity because our 26
herb secret formula was, as people on this thread acknowledge, pretty
darned good! However as Skryer mentions above, there are individual
herbs which have been used as Shamanistic Sacraments for centuries which
are a good replacement and which, at the moment, the Einsatz Kommandos
from the EEC have not yet banned. You can find a list of some of these
on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/shamsacr.htm This information
is provided solely for historical comparison of course. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: H&H posted by H.H. hed'd pixie User
posted on May 13, 2008 at 03:37 PM
Hello
Yes herbal High was a great product i really miss it. Is there any
chance you could start making it again SA? What was the reason you
stopped production?
Topic H&H posted by Herne User
posted on May 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM
I loved H&H it was a great smoke, pity they don`t make it anymore, it was great with music.
Cannabis is just far too strong to be enjoyed, so all I smoke now is just tobacco.
Bring back H&H
Topic RE: The Smoking Ban posted by Puffi Amiyumi User
posted on May 04, 2008 at 06:40 PM
edited on May 17, 2008 at 10:00 AM
What are the real dangers of smoking ?
Why does Japan have the highest percentage
of adult male smokers per country yet the
lowest rate of lung cancer in the same group ?
..Some speculate that its all the green tea that's
drunk as per the country's normal habit.
[Could very well be Puffi, but keep in mind that the Traditional
'old-style' Japanese diet is basically the foundation of what is known
in the West as Macrobiotics and thus is very well balanced in etheric
energy leading to a generally healthy population as a result. Denise W]
Topic Smoking Ban posted by Skryer User
posted on May 02, 2008 at 08:27 AM
Inhaling asafoetida seems to heighten conscious awareness...but you eyes
sting like hell!! There is always a price to pay...Pain!!
Topic RE: The Smoking Ban posted by JK User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 06:38 PM
I don't smoke tobacco but I was sent a pack of SA herbal high as a gratis
gift with an order once and really liked it. There was also a snuff called
Buz-zing. That was an experience !
JK
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Topic RE: The Smoking Ban posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 07:28 AM
Hi
I see the S A has had to stop making Herbal High smoking mixture why was that? I really enjoyed a smoke everyday of that stuff
Topic The Smoking Ban posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM
edited on May 17, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Not exactly to do with the Occult but I`d like to know everyone`s opinion please.
Hi HeadsAkimbo - The smoking ban is part of the increasing state
intrusion into freedom of choice. Right away I want to say that I don't
actually smoke but got so pissed off with hearing self-righteous moral
claptrap from politicians and 'health professionals' that I went out and
bought a pack of cheroots. Now whenever some do-gooder bangs on about
the 'dangers' of smoking I light up a cheroot and blow smoke at them.
;-) M says that you have to keep your eye on the ball here - the debate
is not about the cost to the NHS nor is it about saving people from
self-harm for the better good of all. It's all about subjugating
individual freedom of choice. If they can get control over what you put
in your mouth then they can get control over what you say and what you
think. I mean, for all the bleating about health and safety you would
think these people don't realise they are going to die eventually
whatever their lifestyle is. You are going to have to face death alone
so you have a right to do what you want with your life (an it harm
none). Health is a relative proposition and M sees a lot of disguised
body fascism seeping into this debate and its linked motifs (so-called
'binge' drinking - scares about STDs, recreational drugs, 'obesity', and
the constant drip-feed of ludicrous pseudo scientific research on the
minutiae of life). M says in the universe there are two cosmic forces.
Contraction and Expansion. The Xists contract everything they come into
contact with - particularly their anal sphincters! Esoterisists and
free-thinkers Expand everything they come into contact with but we are
in the minority and are at the moment fighting a losing battle with
sleepy people who are too ready to fall into the dictates of the State.
BB De ]nise W
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Topic Cyberbooks. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 02:22 AM
Hi, One and All,
My personal viewpoint: If I download a spell from Fr. Marabus, in
cyberspace, it seems to be Yetziric, in the formative planes; I invoke
on all planes, through to the Assiatic: physical plane.
So, I write the spell in my B.o.S, Diary.
Similarly, I enjoy picking up a solid book, rather than read a screen.
One could argue a case for printing, as I have done with some unique
pentagram Rituals, a combo. of QBL, Thelema and Enochia, now transferred
to my B.o.S: Book of Shadows.
What if my p.c. crashes? No problem.
Further, my taste for Thelemic literature is diffucult to find. Not for
S.A. Further, Frater Marabus has always, bravely stood up, and
announced, that, if I need advice, He is there for Me, and you.
I know where to download books S.A. sells, why should I deny S.A. the
money asked for physical knowledge, beyond price? If everybody did that,
S.A. would suffer, and we need them, as a beacon, a reference point,
and so much more!
I am a serious student of Thelemic work, and read out of print works E.G. The Equinox. Otherwise, S.A. :every time.
I rest my case. Now, come Hell or high water, I'm going
into seclusion, awhile, to meditate.
Best Wishes: One and All.
The One desires The many, as The many desire The One.
Topic RE: Protagorasm posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 03:45 PM
I have no issues with being proved wrong missplacedself so in the
interest of learning i will try and strenghten the weaker argument.
Generaly speaking, filling your hard drive with books youll never study
is just a waste of time. Books, titles and money are not what makes a
Magician. Marabas akins this mentality to to the internet porn junky,
who gets off on the "collecting" rather than the "content". When i got
into Magick i did this exact same thing. I countered this attitude with a
passion for real books, treating them like surgical instuments ready to
be mastered, and, Bobs your uncle i stared to learn.
I still download books that might take my fancy and if they suit me i
buy them if not i delete them. I win the sellers win. This saves me
money and every book on my loved bookcase is useful. Theres so much
stuff in print on Magick it would have cost me a fortune flicking
through what was right for me. So rather than promoting one or the other
i shall promote the common sense approach. Respect yourself.
Ricenpeas
Topic Plagarism posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 01:51 AM
Where are the sophists at lest they give intresting alternatives
Topic RE: This is a bit naughty but... posted by Alan User
posted on May 11, 2008 at 09:10 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 08:55 AM
I have to say that I am not in a position to have a lot of occult books
around my dwellings so I will download books to my laptop whenever I
can. I don't know what the copyright is with some of them. In some cases
I have even binned
a book I have bought due to its controversial nature or obstrusive size
and kept a download instead. I for one am very grateful that so many of
Marabas's teachings can be downloaded. Best idea yet. Instant, succinct
and no one is ripped off. - Alan
[Infoburst: That's a very good point Alan, there still can be a lot of
prejudice and intolerance over a family member researching the esoteric
and if a person is in this kind of position it can be useful to keep a
'digital library' and avoid the confrontation (and invasion of privacy)
which printed books might cause if brought into the household. It is
strange how ordinary folk are tricked into unthinkingly believing that
information in a book on, say, the tenets of Satanism is dangerous and
subversive, whereas an encyclopaedia which contains step-by-step details
of how nuclear devices are constructed is educational! Digital books
will have a very important part to play in the future dissemination of
the Ancient Wisdom. BB Denise]
Topic Book prices posted by morning star User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 08:32 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 08:54 AM
On the subject of books, Does the Sorcerer's Apprentice still do a price-beater
service eg, one of your books is available elsewhere at a discounted price, will
you sell that book for the lower price ? I remember this was the offer
at one time. I'd rather give my money to SA than some big corporate
bookseller, on the other hand, for a few quid I wouldn't quibble as your
service is the fastest and best around. MS.
[Infoburst: Yes Morningstar, Most of our titles are exclusive and are
only obtainable through us but we still 'match or beat' any other
bookseller who offers open-market occult publications
'edition-for-edition' which we carry in our lists. (i.e. paperback vs
paperback / hardcover vs hardcover etc). Experienced netters will know
that often it is not the actual price of the book which is the final
arbiter but associated charges (postage, packing, insurance, processing
charges and, of course, whether they actually have the book to sell ( so
often 'discount' booksellers on the net don't carry any physical stock
and order it from the publishers when you order it from them (lower
overheads!) - hence 10 cheaper can mean waiting months before you get
that important book for your personal development and then the trade-off
doesn't look so attractive. It is very important also to remember that
reducing the service is one way of lowering overheads and that buying a
book 10 cheaper somewhere else doesn't mean the S.A. are making 10 more
profit - these discount sellers make just as much and in many instances
even more profit due to various market structuralisations. Lastly, and
here we are back with that bane of modern life 'discountitis' again,
with most discount booksellers (and with ALL pirated books) you don't
get free priceless after sales service and advice to put you right from
adepts like you do at the S.A. That can be worth far more than the price
of the book itself! BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: This is a bit naughty but... posted by John K. User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 04:24 AM
edited on May 17, 2008 at 09:47 AM
It's actually a bit disrespectful, seeing that this forum has been
provided by an occult bookseller, and the purpose is the e-soteric not
e-piracy. Just my opinion. - John K.
[You are right John, it reveals the paucity of understanding evinced by
NotSayingMate and others who have unwittingly bought into consumerist
discountitis. Anyone who thinks they can benefit from the sacred magical
knowledge which has taken a lifetime of learning and sacrifice to amass
by stealing it off the net has got to be deluding themselves. The books
are not the magic - they lead to the inner realisation of the magic -
and simply possessing them will benefit the unwary nothing. Squirreling
away pirated magical tomes which your mental processes simply cannot
come to terms with because of an anally retentive approach to
materialism which society has indoctrinated you with will not bring you
closer to initiate-hood. What kind of person steals a reasonable living
from the mouth of his own heroes, stoops to criminalising himself in the
process and then thinks he is getting something for nothing? BB Denise W
]
Topic This is a bit naughty but... posted by Not saying mate! User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 03:46 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 09:00 AM
...has anyone seen the huge amounts of gigabytes of occult ebooks that have been posted as bit torrents lately?
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Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell posted by Willowtree User
posted on July 08, 2010 at 10:11 PM
Thank you for alerting me to the
Topic "Why do love spells never work" at
http://www.pliner.net/appmb2/134a9f/337789/3/. I have read through this
and noted, quite rightly, what Denise said:
"Genuine magick never fails - it's usually a fault in the application or a misconceived idea of where to apply focus".
With all due respect to you, I don't know what possessed me (if you'll
forgive the pun :-)) to write on the forum so I have written direct to
the SA for help.
Thank you once again for your input.
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on July 06, 2010 at 04:29 PM
At the risk of repeating myself I have had a similar debate with someone else on this forum with a
Topic titled 'Why do love spells never work ?'
I'm sure if you have not already read this post you will find it very interesting in relation to your current situation.
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell posted by Willowtree User
posted on July 05, 2010 at 02:12 AM
Thank you for your answer and although I do understand what you're saying, I can't let him go.
I gave myself an iChing reading this evening asking if he was rebelling
against the spell and got hexagram No. 14 Ta Yu (possession in great
measure - supreme success) with no changing lines. So, the future
hexagram is the same (if my understanding is correct). I am taking this
to mean that he isn't rebelling and therefore what you have said is
correct.
However, Marabas states in the Love Spell kit that:
"This lovespell draws two people together in a Love binding rite. Once
the magical knots are tied by tradition the forces work to inexorably
draw the people together".
So whatever the reason for what happened, the fact is that he is still
wanting to see me and calling me every day. I've been dumped but he's
still around and he seems to be his old self again.
I'm very confused.
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on July 03, 2010 at 02:46 PM
It could be a case that this guy is n't subconsciously rebelling against
the spell,but is in fact showing his true colours and is not compatable
with you.
Don't waste anymore time trying to keep him,instead I think it would be a
far better to work a spell for your soul mate ( the Gods will bring the
best person for you) which is given in Frater Marabas's Master Class in
Ceremonial Magic audio CD.
I used this same spell many years ago for my soul mate and am still with her 20 years later !
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell posted by Willowtree User
posted on June 24, 2010 at 09:48 AM
I performed this spell three months ago and now something a little
'weird' has happened. I've been dumped. Now, I know this may sound daft
but I believe the reason is because the spell has worked. Everything I
have used from the SA has worked so I had no doubts about this
whatsoever.
I got this guy using the Snow Queen perfume, just to see how the
relationship would work out. Everything seemed to be going okay so I
decided to do the Love Spell. I had actually forgotten about it and then
things started going 'wrong' in the relationship. As he is a guy who
says "no-one is going to tell me what to do" and a little bit 'bulshy', I
am assuming that this is a subconscious adverse reaction to the spell.
What I have been doing these past couple of days is to use the dream
time spell, giving commands through his wax image and have also used the
"Come Back to Me Oil" on his photograph.
Under normal circumstances, I would just let him go because he turned
out to be not the type of person that I thought he was and he portrayed
himself to be. However, I do believe he is acting strangely and having a
"Jekyll and Hyde" personality because of subconsciously fighting
against the spell.
I would appreciate anyone's take on this and whether what I am doing is correct or not or should be doing something else.
Many thanks :-)
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell posted by Willowtree User
posted on March 11, 2010 at 07:28 PM
Hi Imperial Wizard,
I think I would rather do it all in one go rather than twice - I can
wait a little while longer plus it gives me a little more time to work
on the image doll :-)
Thank you for your answer - I shall certainly bear this in mind when working other more urgent spells.
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on March 11, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Depends how desperate you are,why not do it today?I know the moons
waning an all that,but it can't hurt then you'll compound the effect
when you rework it in a couple of weeks time.
Seize the moment experience has taught me whilst magical timing is desirable its not always essential!
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell posted by Willowtree User
posted on March 08, 2010 at 05:41 PM
edited on March 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Hi Ricenpeas and thank you for your answer.
The spellkit for loves desire states that the spell should be performed
at the third or tenth hour after sunset which is why I questioned if my
results would be impeded if I performed it in the morning after
sunrise.
I have taken another look at the SA year planner as you suggested and
note that the first and eighth hours after sunrise on a Friday are also
the hours of Venus so I shall perform my spell in the morning :-)
[Infoburst; Well done Willowtree for deducing it correctly. Our spellkit
instructions give what is essentially a very complex procedure in an
actionable form. There are always two times during a day when the
traditional Planetary hours are right for any spell and these are based
on the fixed tables used in the heyday of magic, however as we approach
the solstices the tables of planetary hours diminish or extend with the
sun and sometimes they overlap into the next day or night thus Marabas
tries to give both options in his instructions to enable the spell to
make sense at any time of year. The EXACT method of calculating
planetary hours is given in detail for any time of year in his
Occult Yearplanner here. BB Denise W
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on March 08, 2010 at 01:23 PM
Hi Willowtree. You are correct that traditionaly the day for doing love
spells is a friday, as each day is associated with a planetry energy.
Also, each day is broken down into planetry hours and Venus occurs twice
in each day (once in the day time and once in the night time) so, yes,
it is ok to perform love spells in the day. For exact times and a deeper
explination of this maybe you can check out the S.As "occult year
planner".
Topic Time of doing the Love Spell posted by Willowtree User
posted on March 06, 2010 at 02:50 PM
I am planning on doing the Love Spell (P100) in a couple of weeks but
may not be able to perform it in the evening after sunset. Is it
therefore okay to perform it in the morning after sunrise instead, on
the nearest Friday before the Full Moon please? In other words, would it
impede my results if I perform it in the morning instead of evening?
Thank you in advance.
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Topic RE: Unbinding the Love Spell Cord posted by Willowtree User
posted on February 16, 2010 at 01:10 PM
Thank you Denise :-)
Topic Unbinding the Love Spell Cord posted by willowtree User
posted on February 15, 2010 at 09:14 PM
edited on February 16, 2010 at 01:30 PM
If I want to unbind the red cord on my love spell (dolls), do I have to
do it in a certain way please? Also, may I re-use the same red cord on
another love spell or do I need to purchase fresh cord?
As the Gods have worked hard on my first love spell, I do not want to
upset them. Would it therefore be preferable to do something such as an
offering for thanks and to apologise, to appease them?
Thank you in advance.
[Infoburst: Greetings Willowtree. Your posting was a little unclear.
I will presume that your lovespell worked but that you now want to cut
ties with that person and move on to someone else. If that is the case
then Marabas teaches that you must not use any item which has already
been consecrated (i.e. used in ritual)for one person on another
different person. However you should cut the cords and remove the
subject links. A prayer of thanks and supplication to the gods will keep
them on-side for your future magic but is not absolutely necessary.
If you wish to rework a lovespell on the same target then you should not
under any circumstances undo your previous magic because that will be
an insult to the gods who are already working on your wish. Re-bind the
dolls using fresh cord
(obtain it here)on top of the old one to compound the new and the previous spells.
BB Denise W. ]
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Topic Using a subject link posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 05:47 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Does anyone know if an email can be used as a subject link? I know its
not the same as a handwritten letter etc but didn't know if it could be
used as it still has the senders input attatched. Any advice please?
Thanks
infoburst:
I've deleted the rest of this thread because there was more sparring and
flaming than constructive advice and this is the type of enquiry which
should really be made direct to queriesATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk as
part of our after-sales and general advice service. Marabas says that a
subject link is anything which contains the essence of the target.
Something from their body (hair nails, spittle, etc) which will still
contain the vibrational signature of that person. Based on this
technical explanation an email would not probably work as a subject
link. However, faced with no better option, many magicians have used the
NAME of a target as a subject link to good effect and if this works
then an email may also work and we would be interested if anyone on the
forum has had experience of doing this. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic Weejee boards posted by Smithy User
posted on April 20, 2009 at 12:45 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 02:00 PM
Just seen your web advert for the new Ouija board/invocator dial.
Do you still also sell the old table top wooden Weejee boards ?
If not would you reconsider adding them to your range again though
I expect they might be a bit dear as they were a top quality item.
Biggest/heaviest ouija boards I ever saw. Thanks, Smithy.
[Infoburst: Hi Smithy. You are not alone in desiring our old-style heavy
wooden Ouija P74 but production prices and carriage costs were becoming
ludicriously expensive. Additionally many spiritists and psychics were
asking for a light-weight carry-anywhere board which could be set up in
an instant. (Ideal for carrying to sacred sites, locations of hauntings,
psychic 'hot' spots etc. where contact with specific sentient spirits
was more easily made) The old wooden boards would now cost a small
fortune. The new lightweight P74N
(see here) is 25.00! And it comes integral with the crucial and unique
S.A. Spirit Invocation Dial in which you can specify and tune in to the
astral entity/discarnate spirit you choose. There's just absolutely no
contest, P74N is the way forward and we are getting lots of positive
feedback from many users. BB Denise W.]
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Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM! posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Congratulations Denise the creation of this Forum is a wonderful step
forward for sincere magical aspirants as there seems to be so much of
the kind that tend to be infiltrated by what Marabas terms plastic
pagans and also new age nuts that one does not realy feel them relevant
or worthwhile participating. Where would we be without the SA?
Excellent! Well done!
Topic RE: What is this? posted by anon User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 09:14 AM
Sorry, fogot to mention, the
Topic was faeries, page 1,posted by, pastlifewizard. I thought it odd,
the way he expects people to simply tell him what He, should actually
study, and form personal opinion thereby. Thus, I was going to suggest
study. I wonder 'what' he is? A spy? good luck to All genuine seekers!
Topic RE: What is this? posted by anon User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 08:31 AM
Really sorry to bother you openly, I can't reach saef, a problem, I
wanted to answer 'pastlifewizard' Well, I was going to suggest he
contact you and buy some books, however, his post activated: 'A computer
wants to install a program...'Needless to say, I've got a tracking
cookie. Sorry to 'out' him so publicly, but what is he doing?Respect to
all.
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM! posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 09:02 PM
Superb! I look forward to developments! Can't wait! Thanks
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM! posted by Denise User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Greetings RP and welcome, Yes, as outlined in Flashmail39 we do have
plans for webchats with Marabas (and other emminent occultists). These
will be private chat room affairs with a small number of users forming
an audience, a talk on some occult
Topic/method and following with a questions and answers session. There
will be a nominal fee for a 'ticket' for these audiences. The
implimentation of 'An Audience with Marabas' is still ongoing so it will
be some months yet but as soon as everything is tested we will invite
all S.A. clients by email and of course let all users of this forum know
with an announcement here. Marabas was also talking theoretically about
also implementing an on-line Mystery School with regular teach-ins for
enrolled 'pupils# (very exciting) but that will be a long time ahead.
Meanwhile keep tuned to the forum. BB Denise W. Scribe to Marabas
Topic RE: What is this? posted by Denise User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 12:23 PM
If you read the Rules of the Forum above you will see that we explicitly
recommend that people only make contact with others ON THE FORUM. The
forum itself is secure but we cannot guarantee what happens outside it.
Apart from the adolescent nerds who might want to have fun there are a
host of 'enemies of truth' out there who would just love to cripple your
ability to use this forum and evolve spiritually. Stick to making
contact through the Forum and do not 'click-through' any emails relating
to the forum - log in always through the server's interface
http://www.pliner.net for maximum security. Use your anti-virus
programme to do a scan on your computer and all should be well. Best
Wishes - John Dennis
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM! posted by RP User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 09:24 PM
Dear Denise,
May I enquire if this forum is a pilot for a 'later' members only forum?
Would Marabas consider delivering teachings to those who are both
dedicated clients of the SA, and who are willimg to subscribe for a
membership fee?
Thanks
RP
Topic RE: A:A:silence posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 08:22 PM
Then we should treat you with an equal amount of suspicion for blowing your own cover on the SA Esoteric Forum!
Topic RE: A:A:bahh! posted by paa User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 07:47 PM
Invisible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get real fella!
Topic RE: yummy posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 11:10 PM
I loved the Diamond Dogs quote though! :-)
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Topic A:A: posted by One User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 06:47 PM
The A:A: is an invisible order which never advertises itself, by net,
newspaper etc.Those who do are to be treated with suspicion.
By chance I know of the previous writers, they are genuine but are breaking our first principles. I shall be contacting them.
Topic A:A: posted by One User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 06:47 PM
The A:A: is an invisible order which never advertises itself, by net,
newspaper etc.Those who do are to be treated with suspicion.
By chance I know of the previous writers, they are genuine but are breaking our first principles. I shall be contacting them.
Topic RE: yummy posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 06:11 PM
Core the BS of the charlatans is out tonight! Fwaaaaw!
Topic yummy posted by A;A; Babalon000 User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 03:50 AM
Alana, Babalon156 come in, we've made this for you; We: all the sites
contacted you, are A:A:,' come out of the garden baby, you'll catch your
death in the fog'.......Babalon000AThotmail.com., If you are ready,
come. We destroy this address in 36 hours. Is this your True will? C:2
23/24 C:2 V:78 C:3 V:45; consider, al, we knock at your door but once.
Topic RE: Yummy! posted by babalonuit888 User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 02:24 AM
Well done. By standing brave; lib; al; c:1 V:10 C:1 V:19 C;1 V31
C:1 V:42 C:1 V;63 C:2 V:54 C:3 V:3 C;3 V:75
Soon.
Topic RE: Yummy! posted by babalon000 User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 01:44 AM
Twit, the goetia messed with you, you announce youself in that manner, wot d'ya expect?
Topic RE: Yummy! posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 05:03 AM
Draconis and everyone else I can only apologise Im having security
issues here with AOL email, which I just found out a few hours ago after
I tried to email my nephew, I can only apologise for whats happening
here.
Im hoping to get normality up and runnning again. Yet again I can only apologise.
Topic tracking cookie posted by draconae343 User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 03:52 AM
bringeroflight31ATaol.com
By the way, how did you do? Was it worth it? Yes? Funny?
You just attacked The Thelemite Masters. Are you a Magus?
I give up with you people, work it out yourselves, politely, don't ever
bother Me/us again. We ignore this as a lesson in my stupidity in trying
to help.Needless to say, please erase all customer records I shant be
back.
Topic Yummy! posted by Draconis343 User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 03:30 AM
edited on January 09, 2008 at 04:07 PM
Thanks for the tracking cookie 'bringeroflight31ATaol.com.
First rule when dealing with demons: If you accidentally give it access to your structure, it must pay you.
Topic What is this? posted by draconis343 User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 03:14 AM
I attempted to reply to Al Babalon156, a program asked to be installed, which I allowed. bringeroflight31ATaol.com
then placed a blank email in front of me. I wrote "I do not know you,
what do you want with me? I sent it, to be interrogated as to my name,
server etc.
Can you furnish me/us with explanation as to this?
Sorry Allanah, kindred spirit, I have been , as described.
Somewhat peeved I ponder
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Topic RE: Thanks posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:38 PM
At last a genuine occultists chatroom that will not be subject to the
mental restrictions, bans and deletions that the wannabe white light
plastic brigade has sadly infected on Paganism today. Good on ya SA!
Topic RE: Thanks posted by feeorin User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 04:15 PM
hi there,
the forum is fab.... my fiancee and i have been whinging for a long time
that there is a need for something like this! without feeling judged
for have the gumption of having an opinion! WELL DONE SA.
feeorin xxx
Topic Thanks posted by Amrit User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 10:03 AM
Thanks Denis, I've waited a long time for this :) I sure that many
people will greatly benefit from this opportunity to access the vast
knowledge that has been accumulated by the staff and customers of the
SA.
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM! posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 02:38 AM
93!!
Holy, Holy, Holy art thou, and blessed be Thy name for ever, unto whom
the Aeons are but the pulsings of thy blood. (Works great for a Thelemic
mantra!).
Re: Liber AL Ch 2 v62?, beautiful, poetry in motion, but my faves are:
Ch1 v3, ch1 v40 (the obvious ones, lol) ch1 v27, ch2 v25, ch3 v37, ch3
v44
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM! posted by electronicmagician User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 11:54 PM
What?
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM! posted by Draconae343 User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 10:43 PM
to Al Babalon156: A ka dua, tuf ur biu,bi a'a chefu, dudu nur af an nuteru.
IAF SABAF!
liber Al: c:2 V:62
Topic RE: New Forum posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 10:54 AM
What a great idea - a proper forum. I look forward to the debates.
Topic RE: New Forum posted by Denise User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 08:51 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Thanks for your good wishes Eli, I can assure you that the Thought
Police will not be active in THIS forum! Have you read any of the old
Lamp of Thoth magazines? ( www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lotmag.htm ) I
would expect to find a similar candour and a complete absence of the
usual cosmic foo foo which seems to infect most occult forums on the
net. KUTGW Denise
Topic New Forum posted by Eli Dux User
posted on December 12, 2007 at 09:29 PM
Good luck with the forum Denise. In this world of political correctness
gone mad, I look forward to some spiritual and cerebral refreshment,
pithy comments and new ideas.
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM! posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 12, 2007 at 08:56 PM
93 to all!
Great idea on the forum front folks, and I wish you all the success with it!
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Topic WELCOME TO THE FORUM! posted by Denise User
posted on December 12, 2007 at 11:47 AM
Do so hope you like and will participate in the debates herein.
Please remember that, as always, the S.A. covers the widest possible
spectrum of the Ancient Wisdom. From Agnostics to Zen Buddhism and that
will be reflected in the scope of this forum. I know you will allow
others the freedom of expression to represent their views whatever their
beliefs are. Enjoy! Denise
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Topic RE: Were Alistair Crowley & Israel Regardie lovers?? posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Read somewhere years ago that Regardie was asked this and replied
that they were not. Kenneth Grant also answered the same, that he
never had any sexual relations with AC. Regardie was only with
AC a few years and AC was in a new marriage at this time, I forget
the name, Ferrari or something...
Topic Were Alistair Crowley & Israel Regardie lovers?? posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:48 PM
I know IR was his secretary for years.........but there are rumours they were much more than that.
Does anyone know?
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Topic RE: what is the great work?? posted by Paul User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 01:20 PM
Re: Judaim...
I understand that the essence of the Great Work is similar in many
systems/paths, Judaism included, so maybe these views are not that
different?
Also, my view of the Great Work is more akin to uncovering what is
already there, by going beyond illusory concepts (i.e. realising that
there is very little if anything that is permanent in the individual
(Buddhist view)) and realising consciously the reality of who we are.
:)
Paul
Topic RE: what is the great work?? posted by LEYA User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:51 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:28 AM
...how is this different to say, Judaism, that also speaks of purifying
oneself through various incarnations in order to become pure and
God-like??
[Infoburst: Can you be a little more forthcoming Leyla? Rattling off
staccatto questions without telling us why you want to know the answers
may not help you get them. Marabas says The Great Work is the ultimate
aim of all Mystics and is the attempt to put one's whole life into
refining the Self so that the Conscious Mind can contact and liberate
the Soul. It is the very best part of humanity and is something we ALL
have inside us . It is the kernel of Conscience and the root of all
Ethics. ALL mystical paths have the same aim, whatever religious dogma
overlays them. To start learning how to contact your inner self and
develop this faculty you should use Marabas's
Man Know Thyself Pathworking CD P187CD (more details here ) ) which has
helped many thousands of people along the path. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: what is the great work?? posted by Paul User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 01:32 PM
I have different path but in essence agree with 888.
My aim is to consciously realise my innate divinity. This implies: 1)
self-knowledge = knowing who/what I really and who/what I am not; 2)
unity with All, 3) achieving internal detachment to realise this.
Topic The Great Work. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Dear Leya, Hannah, and other fellow. Three requests-
I took an oath, to aid my fellow aspirant, if asked: I shall, as,
and when, able. I am not a natural Teacher. This subject must be
expressed carefully. I, right now, however, MUST work, hard and fast. I
shall return, and try a basic explanation.
My will is to unite with Godhead, Asar-un Nefer:- Myself made perfect, my true innermost will: Godhead.
If you will, consider that, and my oath, as stated above.
In essence, that is The Great Work-Yet it deserves a far more
exstensive explanation.
I'll be back!
Serenity-One<>All
888
Topic what is the great work?? posted by leya User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 02:32 PM
opinions please.........
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Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by endor mocata User
posted on March 21, 2009 at 11:13 PM
I think anonymous that you are confusing the Great Rite which is the
initiation of the third degree in modern witchcraft with the Great Work
which is from mystical alchemy its process is conveyed by the magical
word V.I.T.R.I.O.L which is the old name for h2so4 sulphuric acid which
in old times was called oil of vitriol. In latin that is an abbreviation
for VISITA INTERIORA TERRAE RECTFICANDO INVENIES OCCULTUM LAPIDEM which
translated as visit the interior parts of the earth throught
rectifications shalt though find the hidden stone: it is a psychological
process of bringing together to seemingly incompatable levels to
acheive an altered state of consiousness which is the result of a
complete integration of otherwise disperate and conflicting aspects of
ones nature and elimination of the dross and superflous the result being
one that knows his true way and lives by the inner voice of his or her
deeper self.
Topic WHAT IS THE GREAT WORK?? posted by hannah User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 09:52 AM
WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS & EXPERIENCES
Topic Cause-Effect. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 29, 2008 at 05:37 PM
Greetings All,
Hi Hannah, if you will, check out my alias, on live search, a windows search engine.
Yep, there are refernces to music, and two entries for S.A. Forum, with
your words, concluding:lhp/rhp. See how many languages I/we are are in!
I dedicate 'It's about to happen' by Siouxsie, to All at S.A.-
And all SAOS!
"It's about to happen, I don't know how,
it's about to happen, in the here, and now"
That song was added to 'my' library, by a person with the same name as a European Entity I met about 20 years ago. Now a Witch!
This transcends 'Reason.' The idea is now real: some good music, and a good intro. to The S.A.
Practical Magick Hannah, spread worldwide!
888
Topic RE: Lessons. posted by HANNAH User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 04:59 PM
YES I DID FEEL A BIT BULLIED.............
BUT THANKS TO ALL ESPECIALLY BABALONUIT888 AS I AM NOW LEARNING A LOT !!
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by Babalonuit888. User
posted on September 04, 2008 at 01:34 AM
Hi Anon.
With respect, could you please, as Denise has asked previously, possibly
choose an alias, a 'tag' for yourself? You're still totally anon. ,
but, y'see, it gets very confusing with 'anons' posting, those who give
replies might think they're talking to some one else.
Also, (I've gotten over it) it's kind of like talking to a guy with a
hood on, not comfortable. Hope you get my point. Anything, e.g. if you
don't like cats, spell it backwards: Stac- Stack? Static? Stacey? See?
Bob's your uncle, everybodys happy!
Best Wishes.
Topic RE: S.A Academy. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Yes Babalonuit, i think Rolf and Anon have followed Hannahs tune
perfectly. Its been helpful learning to answer these types of
questions.
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic S.A Academy. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 07:49 PM
Hi, Wow!, The Forum's evolving into a college of The Sacred Arts!
As said, you seem best suited to answer, Rice, I, and others will
no doubt, fill in any blanks, if/as needed.
Best Wishes, One and All.
'The One desires The Many, as The Many, desire The One.'
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 07:15 PM
Yes, its more intense as you hold back the ejaculation and swim in the bliss that prolonged sex produces.
Satisfaction is 1 of the puposes. It can also be used for Invocation,
healing, casting spells and much more. Im sure the S.A. have a book on
Tantra to teach you some techniques to get started. The rest comes as
you discover the working of Magick.
You would be best starting a new thread for the "What is the great work" question.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:07 PM
WHAT EXACTLY IS THE GREAT WORK??
SURELY IT IS JUST FOR SEXUAL ENTERTAINMENT AND SATISFACTION??
HOW IS IT DIFFERENT FROM NORMAL SEX?? MORE INTENSE? BETTER?
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Dear Rolf,
The purpose is to contribute to The Great Work.
Best Wishes.
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Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 06:58 PM
Hi Hannah, wot a kufufle. You learnt to write your questions more fully
and Ricenpeas learnt to say "wot do you mean?". We both come out the
Wiser.
Thanks
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 06:46 PM
Rolf, as Magicians we are Scientist as well as Artist.
Is Sex Magick just entertainment? No everything has purpose.
Is it dangerous? Can be, this is why we study and practice to develope the skill to controll it.
All i can do is clear up superstition here Rolf as it helps no-one. I
cant go into the details of Sex Magick (exept for gnosis) as i have not
yet the experience.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by Rolf User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 05:52 PM
edited on September 05, 2008 at 11:06 AM
...........but isn't sex magick VERY VERY dangerous??
An evil spirit/ entity could feed off your energy and attach itself to you??
Why would you practice it anyway?? for WHAT PURPOSE EXACTLY?? or is it just "entertainment?"
[infoburst: No moralistic self-righteousness in this forum Rolf, ALL of
life is Dangerous and even the simplest and clearest things can be the
MOST dangerous depending on the time and place. You are no more likely
to move into harmŽs way by researching Sex Magic than you are in
attempting to cross a busy road. Marabas says it is vital that
free-thinkers release themselves from the cupidity of Xist thinking. BB
Denise W. ]
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by HANNAH User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 05:47 PM
Hi........Hannah here...........
thank you VERY much for your support and helpful answers.
I understand that I am not as advanced/clever as others but I am here to
learn from you guys and I did feel a bit bullied.........
I am a sincere seeker and am grateful for any insights advice you can offer me.
All the best to you.........
H
Topic Man or mouse? posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 05:27 PM
Hi Man, I like your answer.
Respect and sincere best wishes to you Paul.
Topic RE: Lessons. posted by Paul User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 07:59 AM
Hi Babalonnuit888
Smug xtian? Proud LHPer might be more accurate. :) Nothing wrong with smugnees or pride in my book.
Maybe I will be an Adept, maybe not. Depends on a lot of things.
As for being a bully. Firstly I don't think I have bullied Hannah. I'd
say (maybe I am biased of course!) that I have given her some
informative answers. Agreeing with Rice may have come across as ganging
up on Hannah, but so what? Isn't Hannah a big girl? She is asking about
LHP and Sex Magick, not tea cakes for a Christian Church Fair! :)
Regards to all
Paul
Topic Sex Magick. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 06:26 PM
The Tantric/Thelemic system of sex magick, is indeed, a carefully composed manipulation of natural forces.
It is only reccomended for adepts at one-pointed concentration, 5-7 years practice is desirable.
The full Ritual releases vast energies.
The fine points are therefore explained by The Guru to Chela, when the time is right: One to One.
That's the best we can do, in public.
Very Best Wishes in all your endeavours.
Topic Lessons. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 06:17 PM
Hi Paul, hope you're well.
Of course, You've every chance of Adepthood.
I barked at you, because you were starting to sound as smug as an xstian!
Best Wishes.
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 04:15 PM
Ahh Babalon888, you know i dont do medals and titles. I place
resoursefulness over regelia. Your right. I could have handled it better
and yep, lesson learnt. Easy on Paul there. dont fall in to the same
trap as i did.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 03:57 PM
Dear Hannah, Hi, hope you're well.
It seems that your query was emoted by "Wisdom says" Which is, in fact,
an extract from my diary, illustrating the viewpoint of the 'Freed man'.
I'm spending a lot of time in seclusion, just back to restock supplies,
off again Tues?
The two children who bullied you aren't adeptii, their appalling display was, therefore, entirely inexscusable.
Rice n peas has just realised how to obtain books by magick. I shall send a medal immediately.
Here's a question for Paul to bully me about:- Do you, personally, think
you have any chance of achieving Adepthood in your lifetime? I don't.
Hannah, if you glance at Thelema-Wikepedia Pt. 2.2-The True Will, you may clarify your understanding somewhat.
Time to do other stuff, Best Wishes Hannah.
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Topic RE: My Karma Ran Over Your Dogma posted by Paul User
posted on August 29, 2008 at 07:44 AM
edited on August 29, 2008 at 09:33 AM
Yeah you are spot on Rice :) I did wonder if I should shut up and let her get on with it!
I think the onus is on you now Hannah!
Regards
[Infoburst: Oi! you two, stop ganging up on Hannah. If you read across
the threads I think you will find that her question was to try to
clarify conflicting ideas about Tantric sex magic and the 20th century
use of the term LHP in reference to Neo-Satanism.
Hannah, I suggest your contributions should be a little more detailed
and expansive; asking the right question is important if you want the
right answer - forum members will always do their best for you in true
fraternal spirit but you have to give them something more than a couple
of sentences to work on. BB Denise W.
Topic My Karma Ran Over Your Dogma posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 29, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Ive learnt from your posts myself Paul. I read them until i felt i
understood them along with all the others that have contributed to this
thread. You probably have more years in study than i have months but
something Im sure we can both agree on is "you get out more than you put
in". If Hannah is not gonna read your previous post on this subject
then maybe your not helping by reiterating with niceness. Directing her
to the OXEPs puts the responsability back to her which is more fitting
for this thread, right?
Respects
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA posted by Paul User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 08:29 PM
Hi R'
I know what you mean. When I replied to Hanna, I was thinking back to
when I was a novice and how much learning and reading, pondering,
experience etc was needed before I gradually understood things. I don't
know Hannah from Lilith (!) I just thought if I gave her some more info
she might get to understand this subject a little better... OEXPs of
course will do similar.
As it is, I figure, all the answers she is receiving will give her insights into the LHP (and LHP practitioners).
I am no Sex Magician, nor do I claim to be an Adept. :) I just figured pointers may be of use...
Regards
Topic RE: MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Pal. If Hannah had opened with that question I still would of pointed
her in the same direction but, yes, i would have been milder. As was,
she brought the whole thread down a level by either not reading or not
thinking about what had already been written. Give me something to
respect and i respect it. More importantly than my tone is the OEXPs i
recomended which will more than answer her questions.
P.S. I dont have the skill to explain the whats and hows of Sex Magick
yet. I definatly would not attempt it in a single thread to someone who
follows the dictionary version of "ego". My bad.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by Paul User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 05:49 PM
edited on August 29, 2008 at 09:20 AM
Hi Hannah Yes the LHP is selfish. DL (Dark Lily)described it quite aptly
as 'balanced selfishness': if you are too selfLESS you are focusing on
healing and helping everyone else and so are not actually focused on
your own progress. But, you could be imbalanced and so focus on yourself
so much that your partner, kids, friends , etc will leave be left out
etc. So the answer is selfish within reason.
The Church of Satan focuses on the celebration of the ego. The CoS
Satanist uses magic/ritual/psychodrama to bring forth energy that is
directed to fulfil the Satanists desires. Ths is ego fulfilment. There
is nothing wrong with fulfilling ones desires. The watchword is
responsibility. This is a facet of an Adept. As DL (Dark Lilys) Adept
put it (paraphrased), "the further you progress the more your
responsibility." So, the LHP doesn't become a do what you want excuse
for indulgence in anything and everything. Rather, it is a method(s) to
go beyond opposites by seeing beyond the appearance of good and evil as
socialisation and society portray those over used terms. A very basic
example of this: you are driving along a road and someone is trying to
pull out, you slow down and let them do so. Now, a little further up the
road, the car in front is hit by a bus and the driver is killed. If you
hadn't let the car pull out in front of you, the driver would still be
alive... What is good or evil in this situation? I can't answer about
Tantra really as I don't know much about sex magick. The info I can
share is:
1) Sex accesses the deeper areas of the mind, certainly in my own
experience I feel my astral body come into consciousness when I orgasm.
2) An important part of the Dark Lily teaching is to understand ones
sexual inclinations and allow them expression (excluding criminal acts
of course) without feeling guilty or needing to explain your sexuality
to people who are too socialised to see beyond. Hope this helps. :)
All the best, Paul
Topic RE: MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA posted by pal User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 05:06 PM
well dearie......"egotistical" is in the dictionary......IT DOES
EXIST.........so rather than be superior, why don't you just answer the
Tantra question.......and also......
what is the point of sex magick exactly? Is it just to raise energy?
Topic MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 03:12 PM
edited on August 29, 2008 at 09:03 AM
Hi Hannah.
Asking if the Left path is "egotistical", "selfish" or "evil", shows a
real lack of understanding/experience of life. The S.A. does some
lessons to start you off if you are really interested.
Black Magick & Initiation {OEXP027}-
False Origins of Wicca- Morality, Karma and Retribution (OEXP069}
and a few more
if you look in the OEXPs list on this site.
Until you can get beyond phrases like "egotistical", giving a short explination of Tantra might be a bit difficult.
Best of Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted by hannah User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 12:47 PM
........so would you say the LHP is egotistical....selfish.....or even
evil?? Is it do what thou wilt, even when it harm some?? as all is
"good"...........
What exactly is tantric sex magick and how is it achieved??
Topic LHP/RHP. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Wisdom says: " As the last/first thought of The Adept is 'I Am One', so,
the reconciliation of opposites is as; 'The roughness of smooth, the
shout that is a whisper, the infinitely large and the infinitely small,
at the same time' Then comes transcendance unto Brahmahood. These are
generalisations of cosmic truths, experienced as one's mind interprets.
After the second death, whilst living, the Adept enters the Abyss, the
womb of Babalon, under the night of Pan, the great N.O.X. He gestates
and emerges above the abyss, at
sphere 3, the supernal region. There, for a thing to exist, it must contain its own complimentary opposite within itself.
'Good' and 'Evil' are seen as convenient labels to tag onto various
phenomena that exist below the abyss. However, in the long climb to
reach this ledge on the mountain, one must face not only one's own
doubts etc. but stupendous bigotry; Ah well, eventually, I could no
longer distinguish between 'good' and 'evil' on the Astral planes, all
seems to be facets of myself, as chemicals in a variety of combinations.
So I can stroll with a God and a Demon in equanamity, how nice for me.
Frankly, I work with gratitude to those who liberated me, that others
may be released from bondage.
May All attain."
What is to come, has not yet been revealed, yet in my opinion, with the
emergance of the web, 'We've never had it so good', lets
make the best of what we've got, and illumine the whole planet!
Love under will, Dru.
Topic Paths posted by John W. User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 10:03 AM
edited on August 29, 2008 at 09:00 AM
So what methods might be considered LHP ? Tantra/Eastern often
sex based methods, Trials and ordeals, confronting the inner mind,
fears/demons/compulsions and the like, then Satanism and the like
which are based on catharsis, heresy, liberation, so there is a
common theme of exploring often taboo areas and gaining liberation.
I think the labels RHP/LHP are restrictive and only of use to
a beginner to help them isolate methods. Eventually the realisation
sets in that there are no RHP/LHP. It is a false distinction, and
also what any adept or teacher may say cannot be simply 'believed'
or that would be the antithesis of 'LHP'. 'Man Know Thyself' is
perhaps the only true 'path' which would be more of a middle way,
balance/equilibrium.
Best regards, John.
[Infoburst: Well said John. Marabas's axiom puts it more succinctly.
'The true meaning of anything always resides in its opposite.' Humans
are paradoxical beings, often driven by hidden reflexes which are veiled
from us because of the indoctrination into a dualistic universe by
Xists who control the educational system. It is the adepts job to break
that mould and liberate the soul's true potential. How he /she does it
is a choice ruled by their own nature because only they know their own
inner demons. Marabas sometimes refers to this procedure as Anathematic
Magic in order to distinguish it from the rather too ubiquitous misuse
of the term 'Left Hand Path' which is commonly applied to anything
considered 'evil' in the world of duality. Initiates should study
Crowley's Liber Samekh for a simple but effective method of Anathematic
Magic. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: LHP posted by Paul User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 07:47 AM
I think the LHP is a method that takes you beyond duality, just as the
right hand path is. The Adepts from the Society of Dark Lily and the
Order of Nine Angles (the two groups I was most involved with) all said
that the goal is to go beyond opposites/duality. In fact the Adept of DL
said that there was no difference between the RHP and LHP (except in
ways that do not matter).
The LHP is NOT about being evil and stuck in duality, maybe I did not
word it to sound thus :) but, in my experience of the LHP, the purpose
is, exactly as you say to go beyond opposites. :)
Regards
Paul
Topic LHP posted by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 12:34 AM
I consider it rather revealing t5hat people still cling to duality of
thinking n Outmodeded models of reality n still nothing new. Perhaps
people should try lao Tzu Up douwn left right creat diffine each other.
Or why live in some created reality as given by others. BE
Topic lhp posted by nome User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 11:18 PM
To expand upon Marabus and Paul's comments; The Bhuddist Mahayana,
or 'Great school' of thought, is the path of the celibate ascetic monk,
The Yellow hats, contrasting with the Nihayana, or 'little school' of
thought, The red hats. The red hats are Tantric Magicians, the yellow,
classic mystics. Illustration: When communist Russia fell, Eastern
Russia, traditionally Bhuddist, saw the return of wandering Bhuddist
Monks. However, their behaviour as red hats shocked them; for, not only
do they practise sex magick, but indulge in drunken-ness etc. exploring
all avenues of human nature, as: To overcome the enemy,(attraction and
repulsion) one must first know the enemy.
As a Tantric in the late 70's, one was dismayed to find that contact pages, occult girl/boy, invariably stated 'no lhp.'
It seemed that people believed that sex magic alone, (probably not aware
of other lhp practices) made one an 'evil' person. This made
things awkward, until around the time 'Sting', the singer, proudly
announced He could do Tantric sex for hours, and the mass seemed to
think, ' oh, it's all right, Sting does it.' That seems absurd;
perhaps there were far deeper reasons as to the change in attitude, but chronologically, thats what happened.
Does any one know of other reasons why lhp sex magick became 'o.k.' seemingly overnight?
Do you know Nephtys, Paul? I relate to a song: 'Star gaze with me, in
the dark side they'll see, up in the galaxy, staring down, on Me.'
Night-night All.
Topic RE: WHAT IS THE "LEFT HAND PATH" ?? posted by Paul User
posted on July 24, 2008 at 07:48 AM
I think LHP Practitioners will answer your question in a number of ways.
Some of the LHP principles that I follow:
Think for yourself. DO NOT believe, but seek TO KNOW. Do not worship
anything or anyone, seek to become a God (Adept), become one with Nature
and the Cosmos, Know Yourself, Do Not React, be true to Yourself,
indulge in your desires but with RESPONSIBILITY.
Also, we examine 'evil' and 'darkness', not as an ego indulgence, but as
an attempt to go beyond socialisation and the unconscious programming
of society. Thus, the infamous Black Mass (which has a number of forms)
may serve as a de-conditioning ritual, likely to work better for those
that have been raised in a Christian worldview than pagans or Hindus etc
though it can be adapted for other religious systems (there was a
Turkish Satanic group in the 1980's that performed an Islamic Black
Mass).
When I was heavily involved in the Sinister Path, much of my spare time
was outside alone in the woods, being there, connecting with nature,
sometimes performing rites, sometimes just walking, be it at night or
during the day. This served as a prelude to a 40 day retreat into
nature.
I think the LHP is one of exploration beyond limitations, it has
multiple forms and is definately worth exploring if the individual can
go beyond the first trial, which is seeing beyond its dark persona...
Hope this helps, it's all my opinion. S.A. and other Occultists/Wyrdos etc may disagree... :)
Topic RE: WHAT IS THE "LEFT HAND PATH" ?? posted by Karen User
posted on July 19, 2008 at 04:25 AM
Superstitions and prejudice against left-handed people continued well
into the 20th century, at least in some places. My Norwegian grandfather
(1902-1988) was lefthanded, and was beaten at school in Norway for
writing with his left hand. He was forced to learn to write with his
non-dominant right hand, for whatever reason. Apparently, his was not an
isolated example either. I've heard that lefthanded people were killed a
few centuries back, especially for making the sign of the cross with
the left hand while praying or in church--they were just doing the
gestures in the natural way for them, but some church leader came up
with the notion that crossing oneself with the left hand was a form of
"devil worship." Sigh...I've always figured left and right were just two
sides of a symmetrical whole...
Topic WHAT IS THE "LEFT HAND PATH" ?? posted by Hannah User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 11:11 AM
edited on September 22, 2009 at 08:47 AM
I READ ABOUT THIS EVERYWHERE AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS??!
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE FROM A RIGHT HAND PATH?
[infoburst: ThereŽs a lot of self-righteous emotional moralising
attached to this term stemming from superstitions concerning left-handed
people (i.e. crooked things) and because of this the term has gained
popularity to define someone who is on a Satanic or Dark path, however
technically Marabas teaches that it is originally drawn from Tantric
Yoga practices where the Yogini always sat at the Left Hand of the Yogi.
In European magic it comes from the ancient Greek world where diviners
would look into the sky for omens and anything approaching from the
right was considered fortuitous and anything from the left would be seen
as ominous. The Romans continued this tradition and their word for
'left' (Sinisto) produced our modern word Sinister.
If you truly want to understand about Black Magic then read Marabas's OEXP027 Black Magic and Initiation. BB Denise W
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Topic Psychosis posted by Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Some western thinkers have started believing in ghosts, possession
etc., as causing abnormal behaviour as the various therapies employed by
neuro surgeons cannot be the answer to a fight against insanity.
According to ancient thought, whatever by the modern jargon -
schizophrenia, catatonia, dissocation, paranoia, reactive and
endogenous depression, melancholia, maniac depressive psychosis -
insanity is caused not only by organic factors but also by 'spirits'
or disincarnate beings....."
Topic RE: What is the occult explanation for psychosis? posted by Denise W User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Well Hairy Trotter, It would help if contributors were clear about the
terminology before asking a question! The medical profession are
themselves confused about a definitive explanation of what Schizophrenia
is. Popularly the stereotype is a patient who has two different
personalities residing within him/her but in fact the term was
originally coined to distinguish between the disabled personality of a
person who was suffering a manic depressive episode and his healthy
personality before and after the episode. The affects of Schizophrenia
result from an inability of the emotional and the intellectual
personality to co-exist harmoniously and brain-storms occur across the
right and left hemispheres which cause a confusion of sensory input and
an inability to function which can lead to hospitalisation. The illness
is cyclic and complete recoveries can be made periodically with
occasional relapses. Anciently, people who were obviously suffering from
schizophrenia were treated as though they were possessed and because
the illness is periodic such treatment seemed curative but other
episodes would occur before long. The general opinion is that there is
no 'cure' for Schizophrenia but it can be lived with. Some magicians
have experimented with the Goetia because that system sees the goetic
spirits as compartments of the human brain - thus by gaining control
over the spirits, one also controls the responses of the brain itself.
Thisi s a purely mechanistic theory; we are not suggesting that spirits
actually inhabit the brain, just that by using the goetic system one can
compartmentise and obtain control over the workings of the brain.
Naturally this is not to be recommended to anyone who suffers from
schizophrenia for obvious reasons - it may very well bring on a cyclic
attack in those who are very susceptible. Ultimately, all hermetic
magical systems safely and progressively build up willed control of the
mind/brain during training.
Topic RE: What is the occult explanation for psychosis? posted by Hairy Trotter User
posted on April 27, 2008 at 02:17 AM
Hi
I was really referring to conditions such as schizophrenia where
sufferer's have horrific symptoms such as paranoia and crippling anxiety
to the point where they are hospitalized. Sufferer's very often have
delusions involving very biblical imagery, in fact quite a lot of them
refer to their illness as some kind of spiritual malaise.
I was wondering if this could be the case since medical science seems to hold too few answers on this one?
Thank you for the reply's
Topic RE: What is the occult explanation for psychosis? posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 26, 2008 at 09:28 PM
I often see such things as a time when the psychic censor/filter (an
apparatus within that protects one from too much psychic input) is
temporarily disabled. This permits one to access realms etc that are not
normally seen/experienced in mundane reality. Such levels can be
accessed in daily life I feel by the musical or even artistic talents
that run through us or even when being enchanted by the melody of say a
cock chaffinch in secluded woodland.
Does that make me, or Van Gogh perhaps, really insane?
Topic RE: What is the occult explanation for psychosis? posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 23, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Marabas says that the clinical definiton of psychosis is: 'failing to
distinguish between fact and fantasy due to a mis-apprehension and
mis-interpretation of the nature of reality'
The experience of psychic phenomena would obviously come under this
banner from the point of view of medical science. A person is psychotic
when they believe that a fantasy experience was reality. E.G. If someone
asserts that they ARE Napoleon Bonaparte they are psychotic, if they
say they DREAMED of being Napoleon then they are not psychotic because
they have distinguished between fantasy and 'reality'. Of course this
very much depends on one's 'window of normality' . Suggestions that
psychoses are caused by possession, bad karma, or a 'bad soul' are
immature and ignorant excuses. Everyone is by degree susceptible to
Psychotic episodes. It becomes a problem when one cannot distinguish
between the physical world and the spiritual worlds. Each magical path
has an explanation appropriate to it's nature but there is no cohesive
agreement between all paths.
Psychotic states pose many problems, for medical science and for
occultism. If I conjour a discarnate entity with which I converse, am I
psychotic at that point even though I have ordered and predicted the
event? When I dissolve the circle and return to normal consciousness am I
any the less psychotic for knowing that I am back in reality? If
several people see the same ghost are they all psychotic if they
maintain afterwards that it was real? In medical terms the indication of
psychoses is when the sufferer loses the ability to function rationally
in the physical world to such a degree that he may become a danger to
himself and others. We can all be psychotic under certain circumstances
and being a little psychotic does not make us all chronically mentally
ill. On the other hand anyone who has lost his centre of being so much
that he cannot function obviously needs help. BB Denise W.
Topic What is the occult explanation for psychosis? posted by Hairy Trotter User
posted on April 23, 2008 at 02:21 PM
edited on April 23, 2008 at 02:43 PM
Hi
As someone who has this problem "in the family" I've always wondered if
Magick has both an explanation and a solution to this state of mind?
I've read books that claim its caused by possession, obsession, bad
karma, ill judgment or just a plain "bad soul".Any info would be very
welcome. Thanks
[INFOBURST: Welcome Hairy Trotter; I have transferred your post from
Beginners Please to this new thread as being more appropriate. PLEASE
TAKE NOTE: The SAEF is not the place for medical advice. Anything anyone
tells you in this column is simply their own opinion and should be
treated as such. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic ^^b posted by Bagenholt User
posted on January 16, 2010 at 12:56 AM
edited on January 19, 2010 at 09:36 AM
I've read your reply (above) over and over nearly turning into a chant
in my mind but though very informative it still feels as empty as when I
first read it. I know I'm meant to connect with it but the only thing I
can see is 'moths to the flame' image flapping in my mind. Am I only
meant to understand the importance of the journey when I'm half way down
the road? I study, and I let the hunger for it take over me (when it
comes over me), but I'm always left with a bigger hole after I'm burnt
out after a few months. More questions and more doubts. I don't know
Denise I suppose I should be asking for your help because the more I
practice the further away it gets and when I strip away all the ego
involved it just loses all it's meaning. What should I do? Would a
reading be worth my time? I've been playing with the idea for over a
year now.
[INFOBURST: Sounds like you may be going through a Dark Night of The
Soul experience. This is far too personal to air here and yes I would
advise
a consultation with Marabas about it . It is true that perhaps 90 of
what passes for occultism on the internet and in headshops is
time-wasting and can mislead a true seeker. Marabas calls this vapidity
the worst kind of black magic because it inadvertently interferes with
another's true will. That is why having access to an adept who will tell
it like it is, is SO important. We have consistently decried the
pappy-handed New Age 'occult hobbyists' but the way is the work and
people will come to see what's what in time.
BB DeniseW]
Topic What is the purpose of Ritual? posted by Bagenholt User
posted on December 24, 2009 at 03:58 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:47 AM
If it is to attain ones desires, then in the end, what should our desire be? To attain 'oblivion'?
[Infoburst: You are perhaps confusing ambition with method. Marabas
teaches that the aim or ambition of The Great Work is to obtain Magical
Memory and perceive one's place in the universe without time and space,
recovering knowledge and experiences from other incarnations which
perfect the soul in the process and thence to unite with godhead (or
return to source). It has nothing to do with oblivion. The rites of
magick are tried and tested methods to refine and focus the body and
mind to achieve this aim and this is referred to as High Magick. Low
magic (i.e. magick for results)is the use of magical procedures to
short-cut or otherwise enable the pursuit of the Great Work which, in
those who are non-initiated gravitate to short-term materialistic
objectives. There is nothing wrong with materialism at the beginning and
Marabas holds that most people who have eventually become aware and
illuminated were drawn to using magic for materialistic purposes to
start with. BB Denise W.]
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Topic RE: Answering the phone posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Ahhh Babalon it was just one of those thing. Im sure it wont be the last
time either. You gave me a kick on the "Left Hand" thread. I took your
kick as this, "grow up Ricenpeas your a Magician now, turn it into Gold"
and so I did my best.
A change is as good as a rest and vise-versa.
Wink
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Answering the phone posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 02:44 AM
Unbelievable. I've read your 'anon' wormlike bleating, and ask:- Why on
earth should any emails be replied to other than "Item = £xxx? Do you
think that Marabus owes you spiritual service?
Satan says,-" See ya later" You selfish, ungrateful, ignorant, delicious
happy meals on legs. Not all Adeptii are compasionate. You have no idea
what your being given. Now I look at your comments, god knows what the
deleted ones were, I wonder, why bother with ----- Thusly, I must,
depart, or cause unpleasantness.
You, Denise, have spiritual contact, I must physically depart.
For the greater good.
Topic Retirement. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 01:06 AM
Dear Denise,
It is for the best that I retire, as I grow increasingly annoyed
at attitudes such as described by you.
I believe you caught an Astral glimpse of a facet of me, very recently. If so, you'll know I'm well intentioned, pleasant even.
I don't want to unleash the furies again, and some idiots here might evoke them.
I must, seriously retire, though I'll be with you in spirit.
Best wishes, YITGW. NEMO.
Topic Bhoddisattvic oath. posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 12, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Greetings All,
Hi Denise, sympathies with your recent dissapointment. Chin up!
I've been composing rituals; didn't notice the posts you discuss.
When the cats away, the shells will play merry hell, apparently!
The Yorkshireman has a good heart. I raised power for my leap, in
London, and Ilkley. Pleasant people in Yorkshire, Hell in London.
The Highest local Magican, was raised by The New Kings Rd. studio, where
The Master Therion created Lion-Serpents, that would create vehicles
for officers, providing a willing spirit accepted the incarnation. These
officers, are to guide the New Aeon energies into place. I consider
Frater Marabus to be such a being, an officer, in Thelemic terminology.
It was known that great spirits would incarnate around the Aeonic
change, how long for? Locally, 'He who is to be nemo after him, was
guided to the local Master by the Gods, in the 70's, as The master then,
had recieved instruction from The Master Therion. Yet, no suitable
chela has been appointed, though the Gods do direct other Magickal
people to
him. It may be, that the spate of officers is brief. (For his remaining
time on Earth is limited, little time to instruct left.)
Whatever, for those who chose to incarnate as mentioned, when their work
is done, they know, where they go, what they do next. It all works out
in the end.
From 'nome', an appreciative friend, and proud S.A.O.S. member.
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posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on September 11, 2008 at 06:00 PM
CONTINUED - PART THREE.........
Lastly, I am absolutely appalled to find people using this forum, provided for free by
Marabas specifically to help others towards their true will, hi-jacked by a handful of
people who think they have had a raw deal. Marabas has been attacked and criticised by
Xists for decades and subjected to real risk simply for daring to provide GENUINE pathways
to occultism for true seekers and what do we find here? We see 'those of our own' indulging in
assinine comments and inaccurate value judgements about whether the S.A. has come up to
expectations for them when they aught to be astonishingly grateful that
he still continues his work. I often wonder why he bothers to do so and
what these people will do when he finally 'retires'. They will
undoubtedly then realise just what they have missed and end up paying
ridiculous sums for stuff they could buy today for a tenner!
YITGW: Denise W.
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posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on September 11, 2008 at 05:57 PM
CONTINUED PART TWO....................
Before you take umbrage carefully consider the following criteria:
(1) Every occult supplier has an opinion but none of their opinions have
stood the test of time for over three decade and satisfied over 70,000
regular customers - however you are always free to go and buy from
them.
(2)There are people QUEUEING UP to pay Marabas 250.00 for a
consultation. Would YOU give up your income to help people for free like
Marabas does?
(3) Marabas often has to deal with people at the end of their tether who
have been failed by others (the doctors, the police, the psychiatrists,
the churchmen, etc.) and who come to him as a last resort before
committing suicide. He helps them for free, quickly and usually sets
them on the path to recovery. Other people come to him as a last resort
when they have terminal illnesses and similar crucial situations.
Compared with these the vast majority of other enquiries about love,
money, power etc will obviously have to wait!
(4) Thirty years experience shows that the kind of people who make the
biggest fuss about not getting Marabas's attention are usually those
people who are most ignorant about what Marabas does and what he has
achieved. A few are under the errorful impression that his his oath to
help all those in genuine need also means he is silly enough to have his
time wasted by people who think so much of themselves that they want to
force him to reinvent the wheel for them just because they believe they
are special; instead of reflecting on the fact that most of their
questions, queries and needs are not unique and have already been
answered before by Marabas during the past 30 years in his voluminous
OEXPs, books and audio-recordings. Such people are often just too lazy
or too unvisionary to bother to check the lists / website and save
everyone some time.
Topic RE: When Do You Answer The Phone? posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 11, 2008 at 05:50 PM
Children, Children! We go away for a week and just look how you all
behave! There were a number of dishonourable insinuations about the
intent of the S.A. on this thread and though I do try to keep a balance
and allow free-speech when moderating this
forum there is absolutey no way I am going to let ignorant people with a (very) partial view
of the work of the S.A. to vent their spleen and insult Marabas's work; so their comments
have been deleted. The vast majority of our clients are absolutely thrilled and delighted
with the service we give but we deal with thousands of people and can't always get it right
so if YOU have a complaint then get in touch with me direct on
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk and I will see to it.
Always bear the following things in mind:
Many replies we send are kicked back by the customers system, either because of a too
tightly set spam filter, because their quota is overloaded or because of other reasons such
as servers killing their email address through lack of use. We cannot and do not follow up
rejected emails. If you don't get an answer by email, try one of our other email addresses
or pick up the bloody phone! (011x x451309).
CONTINUED IN NEXT MESSAGE>>>>
Topic RE: Answering the phone posted by T User
posted on September 11, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Hi Anon, I do sympathise with you as I have waited a while for a reply
with my own problems but slating the SA on here will not make them rush
to help you any quicker. Maybe they are teaching you that patience is an
important part of magic. In their defence I must say that even though I
have waited a while I have phoned in that time and been given advice
although not by M himself of course but still helpful advice all the
same. Do not give up just because you are impatient. I know this is
easier said that done but stick with it and the SA. I wasted money on
other people before I found them but it cost me more than just money by
trusting others.
Topic RE: Answering the phone posted by Anon User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 09:37 AM
What about email enquiries? Are there any of you that have emailed and
NEVER had a reply? It has happened to me twice and to a friend as well.
When my friend complained she was told the SA deal with the emails in
order of priority so therefore was they saying her problem was not so
important as other peoples? She didn't think that was the case! When
this happens it makes one lose faith in not only magic (when you have
taken advice and not got the desired result) but also the SA as you feel
let down in your hour of need. My friend has come to the conclusion
that magic only exsists in Harry Potter films and has gone back to the
view that anyone who believes in it needs to see a shrink.
Topic Answering the phone posted by Denise User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 02:33 PM
Well actually Charlotte we really DO answer the phone when we can but as
we assist over 70,000 souls here we are usually pulled out of the place
most of the time hence cannot always get to the phone. There won't be
anyone to answer the phone out of office hours of course but in that
case there will be an answering facility on the phone for you to leave
your message or enquiry or order and we will action it as soon as we
return to work. Best thing to do during the day is to just keep trying -
someone will answer sooner or later. Alternatively, if you don't like
leaving a message then you can always email me at the address given
here.
All the best - Denise Wadsworth.
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Topic When Do You Answer The Phone? posted by friedfiche User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 02:27 PM
When, exactly, do you answer the phone? I have been trying to get hold
of you for three days and nobody seems to be there to answer it?
Luv, Charlotte
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Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!! posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on March 06, 2009 at 03:21 PM
edited on March 10, 2009 at 09:55 AM
J.G I might sound as though I'm contradicting myself on the Love Spell
issue, the point is the result was on its way,but I was impatient,I
tried to force the result into my timescale and not let the Gods do
their work,instead I just behaved like a saddo and nothing is more off
putting to a woman than desperation.
Even after that the Gods still presented me with another opportunity in the winebar to go and talk to her,is that not a result?
Its been nearly twelve years since I last saw her,but I'm that confident
now that I could re-work the spell (with a take it or leave it
attitude) for lustful purposes and she'd show up somewhere and we could
have a good time so to speak.
Two years ago my wife was ready for leaving me,worked the Love Spell and
she changed her mind within a couple of days,we're still together now.
On reflection as someone has already said far better to ask for your
soulmate than waste time and energy with people who aren't really
comptable and
theres an excellent spell just for that on one of Marabas's tapes/CD
think its called Secrets of Incense and Powder Magic,excellent stuff.
Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!! posted by JG User
posted on March 06, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Denise, thank you for your reply. I was not having a pop at Imperial
Wizard or anyone else and if IW did feel I was doing so then I apologise
to him for the misunderstanding. In his earlier message he said that he
had gotten his result after giving up and then later posting revealed
he didn't actually get a result but just gave up. I was only trying to
get the full picture as it did reflect an experience of my own. My
posting was adding with no malice.
Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!! posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on March 04, 2009 at 02:51 PM
Hi again,yes JG its just as Denise says,don't try to force the result by
continually contemplating how it might or when it might occur,but like I
said it can be easier said than done especially if your target has
finished with you and you see her about with someone else,this has
happened to me in the past where I've become obsessed with the lady and
the result and even when I was informed by an excellent clairvoyant that
a reconcilliation was in the pipeline,I went and blew the spell by
ringing the girl in question up just to hear her voice or driving by her
house just to get a glimse of her or to see if she had another
boyfriend,needless to say because of my behaviour she did nt come back
and eventually I got sick of my obsession with her and undid the spell
by undoing the cords on the dolls.
Three months later on a date with someone else I saw her out in a
winebar and sat there thinking why had I got so worked up about her,but I
bet you I could ve asked to buy her a drink and she'd have accepted and
maybe we would have starting dating again,however by then I couldn't
have given a toss.
I've also found that using Love and Attraction oil works well as a back
up to the Love spell try and get it onto your target by posting them un
wanted flyers smeared with the oil (you get through the
letter box,UPVC window firms Pizza menus etc)failing that rubbing the oil on a photo if you have one.
Denise just out of interest do you think Obsession Breaking Oil could
help to stop any potential paranoia or lust for result after spell
casting?
Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!! posted by JG User
posted on March 03, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Me again, this time it's the info burst I am asking about. Is releasing
the energies into the astral the same as releasing or aiming them at
your target in a lovespell? I understand what you are saying about
giving up on your wish and then getting it as I think this is what I did
and maybe Imperial Wizard was the same(?) but I find it difficult to
let go and still have faith in it working. It is difficult to forget
about something so dear to you. Just my opinion, wish it was easier!
Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!! posted by JG User
posted on March 02, 2009 at 06:29 PM
edited on March 03, 2009 at 08:46 AM
Hi Imperial Wizard, just to clarify, when you say "one of the major
obstacles is working a lovespell without lust of result" are you saying
that you need to be detached from your spell? I understand the need to
let it go but also that it is the emotional desire that powers it is it
not so that you must want it enough for it to work?
Hope I haven't added to anyones confusion!
Also, has the person you worked the spell on come back to you at some
point for you to reject them? Just curious as I have had similar
experiences of someone turning up after I have met someone else.
[Infoburst: Marabas teaches that the knack in magic is to evoke the
emotions as powerfully as possible and then to release those emotions
into the astral plane or at your target. By mentally reviewing /
anticipating results you retard the going forth of the energies. This is
why beginners often find that they get their wish shortly after truly
'giving up' on it. By giving up or turning their attention elsewhere
their original magic is allowed to hit the target.
All this and more is explained in Marabas's Candlemagick Spellbook
see here. So it would be wise for any budding magician / spellcaster to
get a copy - you can even download it instantly right now if you like -
see link. If you need training on evocation and sending forth of
energies then
Frater Sisto's Grimoire of The Shadows is just EXCELLENT! see here. BB Denise Wadsworth ]
Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!! posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on February 24, 2009 at 01:36 PM
Just thought I'd put my tupenneth in on this interesting subject,I think
one of the major obstacles is working a lovespell without lust of
result,difficult to do when you really want someone how do you put it to
the back of your mind and not think about it especially when you see
your hearts desire out with someone else!
Most of my successes with lovespells have come when I ve dated someone
else and lost interest or forgotten about the original target,using
Marabas's Spell kit has always given a result,eventually.
Binding spells? An absolute walk in the park compared to lovespells,then
again destructive magic is always easier than constructive magic isn't
it?
Topic your friend needs to be honest!!! posted by Leah User
posted on December 11, 2008 at 11:05 AM
at least, with himself!! Either he is in love with this lady, or not. If
so, why is he sleeping around? Buy M's lovespell kit, or if he just
wants to play, wear Ruthvah...........as for him actually getting this
woman............does he deserve her??
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by leah User
posted on December 10, 2008 at 05:12 PM
edited on December 11, 2008 at 10:39 AM
tell your friend the truth !! if he wants love he needs M's
<"http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm">
lovespell, **believe me it works **!! but if he only wants sex, then
<"http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm">
"ruthvah" HE NEEDS TO BE HONEST TO GET THE RIGHT RESULT, OTHERWISE HE'LL END UP WITH 0
[Infoburst: this message was truncated due to a fault in the system - leah, please repost]
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Ms Terri User
posted on December 07, 2008 at 11:54 AM
edited on December 11, 2008 at 10:46 AM
I have a friend who wants to work a lovespell on someone because he says
he cannot live without this woman. But, he is looking to have 'fun'
with anyone else available while he waits for the lovespell to bring
back his 'true love'. To me he wants to keep his options open and is not
committed to getting back his woman but his excuse for sleeping around
is that he is letting his magic go and getting on with his life as he
waits.
My opinion is that I don't think he should work a lovespell on this
woman as anyone who truly loves another wouldn't be looking to get
notches on the bedpost with anyone else. He argues the gods don't judge
and he is only human. He tells me my way does not allow the magic to
work but his way lets it go. He claims the gods will still give him what
he wants despite this but who is he kidding?
Opinions please?
[Infoburst: Let's not be so parochial; there's a big difference between
love and sex. Extra marital sex is an agreed arrangement in some
marriages where one partner is insatiable. A person can love more than
one individual at once. Marabas teaches free-thinkers to step back to
get a proper perspective. Christianity imposes monogamy but in many
areas of the world polygamy is normal. As M always says - there is no
right or wrong way to live. If this guy is being immature then he will
learn along the way. Whether the gods will love him regardless is
another matter! ;-)BB Denise W]
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by JG User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Mr T, 31 October this year IS a Friday, the day for working love magic
but is NOT the Friday I would have worked it as it is not the nearest
Friday before the full moon. I was not aware of Halloween being the time
for working it until reading the link to the flashmail. I just wondered
if it would be better to wait until 31 October. I assume that this
would be ok whatever day it was on provided it was worked at the correct
planetary hour which can be calculated by the use of the SA year
planner.
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Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by MR T User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:49 PM
...YES THIS IS MY QUESTION ALSO........SHOULD WE DO LOVE MAGIC AT HALLOWEEN 31/10 INSTEAD OF FRIDAY?? ADVICE ANYONE??
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by JG User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 10:45 PM
edited on October 03, 2008 at 03:51 PM
I have just been reading the flashmail link on here and saw that
halloween is the best time to work love magic. Would working it on the
31 October be more powerful than working on the Friday nearest the full
moon does anyone know?
[Infoburst: Balancing all the multifarious psychic and cosmic tides can
be impossible but they aren't an on/off switch and so come and go over a
few days enabling you to make best use of them and interpolate to get
the maximum all-round energies. For instance by working,a lovespell on
the Friday following Samhain/Halloween (2008) ad the hour of Venus.
Halloween is traditional for Romance magic to divine, for example,
whether your lover is true, and what your true love might look like
etc., and of course you can still do this as well as work your lovespell
the following Friday. If you do not yet understand about the planetary,
and cosmic tides, planetary times etc in your magic you should obtain
Marabas's Occult Year Planner which not only gives timings and phases,
cycles etc., but also teaches you how to use them and other needed
forces in your magic.
You can download it instantly from here. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by MR T. User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:07 AM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 02:35 PM
no........typo error.......this is a male/female spell....but I only
want to attract her to me for sex/casual relationship........so should I
use oil or a simpler ritual instead??
All Lovespells are NOT equal. Read my posts earlier in this thread about
most of them being a waste of time and why S.A. spells are therefore so
much more valuable. Just because you've done three doesn't mean magic
doesn't work - it means you haven't yet come across the right key for
the right lock. The myriad of interpersonal human needs coupled with the
extreme complexity of the cultures and domestic situations of some
contributors mean that one has to apply the magic to suit the particular
circumstances and to suggest that one size spell would fit all in such
extreme circumstances is trite. You for instance do not apparently want
to twin your destiny with another for true love - you just want sex. In
which case use
Ruthvah, it's a sexual attractant. Don't use a LOVE spell unless you
want love. The gods knew exactly what they were doing when they denied
you a result but your lack of wisdom meant you couldn't see the message
they were giving. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Ms Terri User
posted on September 04, 2008 at 11:28 AM
edited on September 05, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Isaac; You said this was Marabas's lovespell. Did you contact him again as Denise advised and did things work out for you?
DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Isaac Ariah
posted on January 21, 2008 at 02:21 PM Reply to this Message
Any ideas anyone? I have done 3 on the girl of my dreams over the past 6 months and still she does not want me!!
Suggestions please...................
[Infoburst; Just to clarify, is this a female to female lovespell you
are working because the balance of energies in the rite has to be
accounted for in such an instance. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS WORK??? posted by Bestarbeto User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 11:32 PM
"Try and remain indiferent to the results and just observe, youll be nicely suprised "
That's the key
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS WORK??? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 09:33 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:10 PM
You sound like you need convincing. I could give examples of how Magick
has worked for me or better still point you to the testimonials of
others...
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm ..... But thats just
other peoples opinions. Experiencing Magick is the best convincer. To
build up some confidence try the "Quicky Desire Spell" a few times and
maybe the "Wealth Attracting Spell" as they only cost 4 quid each. heres
the link, just scroll down...
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm .
Try and remain indiferent to the results and just observe, youll be nicely suprised :)
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 06:39 PM
Hi. We were together for many years so I know we are soulmates but does
it really work? I have never thought about magic before now and its
through desperation. Have you done a lovespell and got what you wanted?
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 03:33 PM
Im not negative about Love Magick Annon. I think Loves brilliant. You
need to answer the basics for yourself as no one else knows your
situation better than yourself no matter how much detail you give.
Marabas s spells are designed for beginers like ourselves and come with
some great hints like "cast your love spell to bring to you your
SOULMATE". Wot could possably be wrong with that.
Good Luck
Ricenpes
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 12:24 PM
I have never done anything with regards to magic but a friend told me
about this site. I have been split up with my partner for over a year
but I want him back. I don't know if there is anyone else involved or
not. Would a lovespell work in this type of situation or do I need to
let go and move on? People seem to be rather negative about love magic.
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Marty User
posted on May 15, 2008 at 07:28 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:08 PM
I plan to do a lovespell on a lady but she is aware of my involvement in
the occult, will the fact that she may suspect I am working a spell on
her stop it from working or working as effectively? Will she
subconsciously resist the spell? We were dating for a few months but it
has all gone pear-shaped and I intend to get her back.
[Infoburst: Well Marty, It doesn't really matter either way. If your
target suspects that you might be working magic on them then it can
actually increase the effect. Even if knowing gives them the chance to
take magical counter-measures. You can't subconsciously resist magic
because it is not simply a psychological proposition (though some
corollary effects of spells do involve natural psychology). Anyway magic
doesn't work on the subconscious - it works on the unconscious and so
you are worrying unneccessarily. Have faith and do the spell
[P100 Spell for Love's Desire: http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spellins.htm ] BB Denise W
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Topic RE: All I would like is a simple sex spell posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 10, 2008 at 03:08 PM
How about a bottle of wine and some soft music? I wish my problems were as simple as yours! It's not magic you need.
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 05:59 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:07 PM
If you put 'love-spells' into Google you will get hundreds of thousands
of people flogging pee-wee love-spells. This probably means there are
more people selling love-spells than have actually experienced True
Love! We here at the S.A. have spent 35 years successfully offering
genuine love-magic out to over 70,000 souls. Those people who have been
unsuccessful using love magic have either used pseudo-magic spells which
even an adept couldn't have got working, OR have crippled their own
magic in some other way which they are unaware of. You will not know
either way unless you try a proper tried and tested, genuine,
traditional magical love rite so goto
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm and scroll down to our Spellkit for Love's Desire for the absolute best. Or look at
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lovemag.htm for some traditional genuine
love-spells in audio form which you can download instantly and perform
right now for just 4.97 BUT please don't waste time procrastinating in
this column in a debate about whether love-spells work or not because
this could be seen as part of your problem; viz a lack of faith and an
unwillingness to open up and trust others. As Marabas always says. For
an answer to the without, look within. You have to be able to
differentiate between circumspection and a need for reassurance. Several
contributors to this thread are seeking reassurance that they will not
be made to look a fool if they put their trust in magic and this plainly
indicates a disbelief which has to be overcome before any magic will
work for them. It also may indicate a difficulty in emotionally opening
themselves up to their intended partner/s and this could be the stalling
point of their relationships not the magic. The antidote is to trust in
the S.A. and just do the spell! BB Denise W.
Topic SEX SPELLS posted by **ISAAC ARIAH** User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 03:14 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:04 PM
HAS ANYONE USED A SEX SPELL/POTION/OIL ON SOMEONE & IT DREW THEM TO THEM??
[Infoburst: Yes yes yes yes yes yes YES. But why don't you just TRY it Isaac?
Go http:// www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testim2.htm to see feedback from customers. BB Denise W. ]
Topic has anyone tried a love spell that worked?? posted by Lilac User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 03:12 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:02 PM
please advise!
[Infoburst: Tons. How about the following from Linda of Weston Supermare -
"I would just like to write to all you wonderfull people at The Sorcerers apprentice and thankyou so much.
Because i bought the Spellkit for loves desire and did the spell 3 weeks
ago,i am lost for words at the change around and the spell has truly
worked..The man i did the spell on came round to do some doors and now
we are having a secret sexual relationship,he said he thinks about me
all the time...." Linda B
Don't believe it? Boo Hoo for you. Then go:
goto www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm
to see lots of personal accounts of how peoples' magic worked for them unquestionably. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: All I would like is a simple sex spell posted by Sheila User
posted on February 04, 2008 at 03:29 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:16 PM
[Infoburst: Well Sheila - Is that simple-sex as in the missionary
position or simple as in easy? ;-). Every GENUINE love or attraction
spell requires you to enter a state of personal transformation. Marabas
always says - Magic works on the operator equally as much as the target
and if the operator is unwilling to move out of their comfort zone then
they won't get the results they require. That said you can simplify some
aspects of love magic. Natural love magic to attract tons of men by
using your own pheromones - for example. Marabas covers this in his OEXP051 Desire Attraction Spell which you can download instantly right now from
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lovemag.htm
(scroll down the page to OEXP051 Desire Attraction Spell. ) read up on
it then click the buy-now button to download - at 4.97 you can't get
simpler or more effective magic; unless perhaps you begin to use magical
oils to manipulate your men. The ideal one is Love and Sex oil B399 and
if you haven't yet tried Snow Queen P146 then you don't know what your
missing for having them buzzing round you like flies.
(see www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/magoils.htm for a list of most used magical oils and application guide and
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm for full details of Snow Queen.
However if you REALLY want to englamour a man forever to your wishes then you should go for
Marabas's P100 Spellkit for Love's Desire which is the way that an adept
would do it, but in safe steps that a beginner can use. More details
here All the best and happy hunting! BB Denise W.]
Topic can you use a poppet doll to entice a man to love you posted by Meera User
posted on February 04, 2008 at 03:08 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:21 PM
[Infoburst: Yes Meera you can, but it takes a lot of knowledge which by
the sound of it you are not trained for. In which case you should goto
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm and scroll down to our
Spellkit For Love's Desire P100 which is a unique time-tested lovespell
which involves making a doll of your intended and binding him to you
forever. Just follow the step-by-step instructions. It's straightforward
because Marabas prepared it specifically for use by beginners but
embodying his vast knowledge and experience so they can't make mistakes.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic can you use a poppet doll to entice a man to posted by Meera User
posted on February 04, 2008 at 03:08 PM
fall in love with you??
Any suggestions please?
Topic All I would like is a simple sex spell posted by Mirah User
posted on January 29, 2008 at 04:38 PM
to get a special man into bed. We like each other very much but we are both very shy.
What would you recommend?
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Genuine magick never fails - it's usually a fault in the application or a
misconceived idea of where to apply focus. (e.g. It is a lot easier
working a spell to make a man trip under a falling tree than pick up a
tree and drop it on top of a man). You said you tried several spells.
Which one of these was from Marabas and why haven't you got back in
touch to ask his advice so that you can correct any application errors
or change the focus? Getting real help from Marabas is part of the S.A.
egregore - we WANT you to succeed and will persevere with you until you
do. YOu can get in touch with M at fratermarabasATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
BB
Denise
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 23, 2008 at 07:34 PM
No it was Marabas' spell.thanks
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Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 22, 2008 at 09:12 AM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Probably because you used rubbish spells. The vast majority of so-called
spells available on the net and in most modern books are derivations of
superstitious folk-lore which have little to do with real magick.
Marabas developed his famous P100 Lovespell because of this in the early
1970s. He saw that the availability of superstitious and pretend spells
was actually a form of black-magic in that anyone who had love for
another person and who worked a malformed spell would assume (like the
other contributor on this page) that the fates were somehow against the
union and give up, thereby losing their heart's desire and making two
people unhappy for the rest of their lives. Thus Marabas created the
Heart's Desire Lovespell P100 which embodies high-magick precepts and
which has stood the test of time. Of course the usual thing happened and
all the other occult suppliers copied his idea since. However they had
to change the spell in various ways to avoid being sued and because of
this each of their spells is incomplete or corrupted in some way. If you
had purchased Marabas's P100 spellkit you wouldn't need to write in to a
forum to ask why it didn't work because Marabas INSISTS that anyone
whose spellkit doesn't work comes back to him so he can fix it for them.
Go back to the suppliers of the spellkits you purchased and see if they
are confident enough to offer this kind of after sales service. I doubt
it. BB Denise W.
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on Marabas's P100 Lovespell Click here
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm and then scroll down the page to Love-Spell.]
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 21, 2008 at 04:49 PM
I have never found a love spell that works on particular person.The only
way that I have found them to work at all is by calling for ones
soulmate ie the person that, possibly unknown to you, is the best person
for you at this time! That way the gods decide and so is far more
likely to be successful.
Love spells generally fail.Perhaps its because we really need sex
spells? We think we love the person, but really we want to get them into
bed - and then decide if we love them!
Topic WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Isaac Ariah User
posted on January 21, 2008 at 02:21 PM
Any ideas anyone? I have done 3 on the girl of my dreams over the past 6 months and still she does not want me!!
Suggestions please...................
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Topic where is the question on the succubus ?? posted by Piaf User
posted on November 18, 2008 at 04:16 PM
edited on November 19, 2008 at 09:21 AM
see above me
[Infoburst: Observe forum protocol. Starting a new thread simply because
one is too lazy or too arrogant to check and add to the sum of existing
threads will result in it being deleted to keep the forum intelligible.
Contribute again under Sex and Magic. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Watching yourself posted by Paul User
posted on November 06, 2008 at 07:58 AM
"It's amazing isn't it, the first time you find yourself standing
outside your personality watching yourself go through the usual games
and ego strategies whilst you look on with complete detachment?
Just don't tell your doctor. "
Yeah, based on my experiences with my doctors, they would have no
understanding of this other than to label us as schizophrenics!
Topic RE: Wisdom posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 26, 2008 at 11:54 AM
edited on November 07, 2008 at 02:58 PM
Magick has shown me I am on my own, but never have i felt closer to
whats around me. Watching the workings of my mind, and exepting my mind
is not me, is work in progress, but has so far yielded much Wisdom. Im
just entering my first relationship since i stared Magick and we both
feel the benifits of maturity that Wisdom brings.
Im not going to tar all the doctors with their wonky Caduceus, Doctor Nick in the Simpsons is 1 of my Heros.
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst: Well you are on your own and you are not on your own
depending on which end of the telescope you are looking into! Marabas
teaches that ultimately (cosmically) we are all one - which is why magic
is morally self-correcting. We may see the universe through our own
peculiar perspectives but the true Illumination comes when we realise
what The Brotherood actually means. Moving outside oneself is the first
stage in dislocating the ego-self - and how tardy and small-minded do
the preoccupations of Life then seem? BB Denise W.]
Topic Watching yourself posted by Julian Karswell User
posted on September 26, 2008 at 10:40 AM
It's amazing isn't it, the first time you find yourself standing outside
your personality watching yourself go through the usual games and ego
strategies whilst you look on with complete detachment?
Just don't tell your doctor.
Topic Wisdom posted by Paul User
posted on September 26, 2008 at 07:59 AM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 09:28 AM
I started out on my occult journey seeking power, sex, wealth etc. That
is probably why I gravitated towards the LHP. It may have took me some
time, but I have some of these things (not necessarily through conjuring
spirits/energy etc)!
BUT, as I learnt and progressed, the occult for me became a hell of a
lot more than power, sex, wealth etc, it opened my mind to new
perspectives and a greater understanding of myself, others and the
Cosmos.
This is a very interesting forum and there are lots of different points
of view. I just figured, maybe a post on wisdom, insights and change of
mind might be of use.
Some of my direct experiences have been: Seeing and experiencing All is
One; experiencing myself outside of my personality; seperation from
thoughts and emotions (as if they are my internal weather); stepping
outside of societal conditioning and starting to think for myself.
These don't sound like much, but there is a lot to these experiences
and, to my mind, this is really the essence of a spiritual path - to
break out of constraints by changing yourself and becoming conscious of
the unity of All.
Anyone have any insight to share?
[Well said Paul. Marabas teaches that the gods will lead each person to
their destiny in many and various ways - none is more nor less valid
than any other and often the route is diverse as each person must
'round-out' and become whole before they can begin to move ahead.
Frequently people's early transit of the esoteric arts is, in the most
positive sense, paradoxical as we continually grow into new perspectives
and knowledge whose importance to our nature we were previously
unaware. This is wisdom. When newcomers begin to tread their chosen path
with the S.A. it becomes clear to them that Marabas's real work reaches
far beyond simply buying and selling things - it provides a path to
personal salvation which tens of thousands of good people have
successfully trodden before them. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Witchcraft and personalities posted by JJ User
posted on November 04, 2008 at 01:51 PM
I quite agree Denise as I have had personal dealings with this idiot as
mentioned before. I saw his latest rubbish in a recent womans magazine
about halloween. Carylon is supposedly a former wrestler (if you can
believe any of his claims) which fits in with his craving to be in the
public eye but often he has had unwanted attention from the likes of the
Trading Standards which he doesn't want to brag about on his website. I
think he should wear a big red nose to go with his red gown but thats
just my opinion of course....others are free to make their own mind up
about such people.
Topic King Kev posted by Kev's grannie User
posted on November 04, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Isnt this the so-called White Witch (whatever one of those is) who
believes that Satanic Abuse is real and works with vicars to prevent it?
How exactly can an aging, tubby chap dressed in a red bath robe (who
thinks he's occultist royalty) help to combat crime on our streets? I
would love to know the answer to that one.
Topic RE: Witchcraft and personalities posted by JJ User
posted on November 03, 2008 at 10:45 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Kevin Carlyons latest claim to fame is that he travels the country
casting spells to prevent crime on britains streets. He has to do
something to get attention since claiming his spell to protect Nessie
was 'too effective'. Best join the travelling circus Kevin, there is
always a job for a clown!
[Infoburst: Quite right JJ, but often the antics of a comedian are not taken tongue in cheek by the authorities.
You can read about how Carlyon's campaigns to get himself noticed once
contributed to a nationwide scare about Satanic Murders in the U.K.
which involved the police and even the august Guardian fell for it hook
line and sinker. So objects of derision are not always as
inconsequential as they might first appear.
Topic Table Tipping and Misreading The Messages posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 08:52 AM
Hi all, Denise here,
I have modified this thread but left most of it in to illustrate how
easy it is for genuine people to give offence when intentions are
misunderstood. Originally Rex thought AnnB was talking nonsense because
he apparently had not ever tried Table Tipping. Anyone who has knows
that the table can actually 'dance' about and often appears to be 'going
for' someone in the circle. AnneB's statement that she was 'chased' by a
table made sense to Table Tippers but not to Rex even though he is by
his own account accomplished in many occult methods. In turn AnneB who
has clearly spent her lifetime trying to spread love and harmony was
heartstruck at Rex's criticisms and angered enough to nearly (but not
quite) threaten him magically! So the wheel turns and we all learn a
little extra about ourselves and others in the process. Good init? As
Marabas always says 'The true meaning of anything always resides in its
opposite' :-) BB. Denise W. ]
Topic Aleister Crowley posted by AnnB User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 08:51 AM
Rex Many thank you for your apology and for apologising to riceanpeas which was more important to me.
Your heart is probably a lot softer than you like people to know
Take care of yourself and your cat
Perhaps you would write on the cat site to boost it up
Topic To Ricenpeas & Ann posted by REX User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Ricenpeas,
It was a cheap shot in hindsight. I'm a sad old git.
Couldn't resist the chance for a laugh.
Thanks for your reply. You're a lovely guy.
Ann, I do apologise for being ungentlemanly and sad.
From one cat-lover to another, Sorry,if I was harsh
and rude. And sorry for the 'fibber' word I used. I
do regret using that. Not nice of me.
I hope you'll forgive me, if not understand my point
of view.
REX
Topic Aleister Crowley posted by AnnB User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Have just read your other message 30 years in Occult.
Table Tipping you are still evoking the thought that it was untrue
It was frightening I can assure you but when its written down it dis sound funny
Newcomers I hope will wish to try this and perhaps the lighter things are told will help
I take my magic very seriously or I wouldnt be a trusted buyer from the SA and am a good friend of many in the Occult
One who I may go to visit in her retreat
Many of the highest psychics in this country
So stop this silliness now
I think Denise will be happier
Topic Aleister Crowley posted by AnnB User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Well it is good to be able to laugh at the event after. I can quite see
the funny side of it myself. Seeing as I am severely disabled and unable
to move sometime its nice to be chased by anything
Rex I did not threaten you with a curse curses always come back so I
woldnt never even curse someone I know. All I said was I am able to see
what you look like its a curse in its way but helps me in my work.
Just enjoy learning your art and concentrating on that and perhaps your
cruelty and rudeness towards women will disappear Let that be an end to
it. I have no heart for a fight my karma is calm and thats the way it
will stay
Topic GENUINE posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 09:32 PM
Thats was clearer Rex, thanks. There was much in Annes post that you
could have respectfuly challenged and turned into something interesting.
Weather she saw the table "chase" her or move in her direction maybe a
matter of taste and dismissing the possability with humor (though i did
giggle) was a bit cheap. For myself staying a Novice up until my last
experience should eleviate the feeling of being GENUINE about anything.
ricenpeas
Topic RE: Table tipping posted by REX User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 09:27 PM
edited on July 03, 2008 at 08:40 AM
Ann,
You may be very genuine, I may be wrong. I did poke fun.
I apologise. But please don't use veiled threats of curses
or whatever. My whole point was I thought the implication
of being chased was bad for the image of genuine occultists.
Regards, REX
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Topic Psychic phenomena, etc. posted by REX User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 08:32 PM
To Rice n'Peas, Ann, all,
Please let me clarify:
Yes I poked fun at Ann. A GENUINE ADEPT would not put such a comment about
being 'CHASED' on this forum which will be read by newcomers and also non-
occultists and therefore reinforce stereotypes and horror stories associated
with psychic experimentation. I have over 30 years experience in occultism and
have seen many strange phenomena including objects being moved by unseen
energies whether by spirits or by psychokinetic effect. Such things can and
will occur and anyone who spends years in mediumship and psychic experiments
will attest to that. However stories about being CHASED by a table are what
I would expect from an over-imaginative teenager. Call it intuition if you
will but I can tell truth from fiction. Spirit communication especially when
one is part of an established circle is not about such dramatics. I will not
post on this subject again. Readers can decide for themselves.
About the 'rat-arsed' thing, my humour. For the record I'm 99% teetotal.
No dutch courage required. Falklands veterans know about real and imagined
fears.
REX
Ann wrote:
believe me or no the table practically leapt off the floor I even turned
my back on it and it chased me I have been chased by many things but
never a table it was quite an experience Having practised witchcraft
quietly from the age of 16 when I first used a ouiji board (not a good
idea)
Topic RE: Troublesum Tables posted by AnnB User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 05:14 PM
Rice@Pease Many thank yous for your birthday wishes I shall enjoy my birthday very much with all my little ones.
And thanks also for your support it is greatly appreciated
By the way I love your name
Topic Aleister Crowley posted by AnnB User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 04:06 PM
For one Rex dont call me dear in that supercilious tone I do not fib at
all if you have never experienced this dont denounce people who really
are into the magick and enjoy it
I can visualise you quite clearly so be careful my friend
As I said before
And will repeat again
An it harm no one do what ye will
If you wsh for further confrmation I can give you the name of my teacher
and where we were but that also would be not enough for you
How sad you must be
Topic Troublesum Tables posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 01:02 PM
edited on July 03, 2008 at 08:37 AM
Rex...sounds like you need to clock up some temple time, get some of
your own experiences and stop dissin others. Realities are observer
based and
yours seems to be a bit limited.
OEXP015 Psycokenetic Effects will put a few hairs on your chest but Rex... you have to DO it, dont just read and prejudge it.
AnneB. Lovely post, you seem to really enjoy your Magick. Best Wishes and Birthday Blessings. RiceNpeas a wee Novice
Topic Table Tipple ? posted by Rex User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 08:56 PM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Ann,
I'm horrified to read your story. I bet you needed a stiff one (drink) after
being chased by that table ! Or were you totally rat-arsed beforehand ?
Really dear, you're just being a fibber and it makes you look a tad silly.
Take care and watch out for haunted furniture.
Rex.
[Infoburst: You've obviously never tried table-tipping have you Rex? BB Denise W. ]
Topic Table tipping posted by AnnB User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 08:04 PM
Is this the right forum for this forgive an old lady (64 on Thrsday)if
not but my late husband came through very strongly on this at a circle I
attended the other week usually those touching the table dont get
messages but believe me or no the table practically leapt off the floor I
even turned my back on it and it chased me I have been chased by many
things but never a table it was quite an experience Having practised
witchcraft quietly from the age of 16 when I first used a ouiji board
(not a good idea) a such a young age I know but it was so accurate it
predicted a son in 64, married twice so far this has come right.Just to
finish know its on the wrong forum site but I have always used my
Renaissance for many years do you consider Denise that some cards are
suited some you always find the ideal ones or they find you.ALso my
Goddess cards I do every morning just for myself are always correct have
tried others but these felt so good when I touched them for the first
time.My son brought me some second hand ones but they had a very bad
touch so have put them away.
Also I think it not wise to broadcast your knowledge to loudly on the site it can come back and bite you
AN IF IT HARM NO ONE DO WHAT YOU WILL
Topic Occult Census posted by JK User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 09:36 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Hi Ann,
Nice to hear from you. I'm sure most on the forum can relate to your being
just a normal person, and I'm glad your path helps enrich your life.
The Occult Census by the SA ( http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/census.htm ) is a fascinating look at the views and
practices of people of many occult paths from their voting preferences
to how much and what type of magic they do, etc, and also has a section
on pets owned by Witches, magicians, satanists, etc. It's quite a good
read for non-occultists as well, especially those put off by media
stereotypes and pretenders.
Best regards,
JK
Topic RE: Witchcraft and personalities posted by Ann B User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 04:27 PM
hERE i GO AGAIN PRATTLING AGAIN. I am a normal housewife, who practises
witchcraft it is not something evil or something to throw around as a
game it is serious If people wish to exploit their"witchiness" it shows a
lack of consideration to people who genuinely believe it is not a hands
behind whispers it is something one should do. Most of my closest
friends know of my religion and although they dont confer with choice
they have enough love for me to leave me to my beliefs. Too much is made
of the badness try looking at how it your attitude to life and people
and nature can be improved by studying the right path.
Topic Marabas' Wicca Lesson posted by JK User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 06:36 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Has anyone on the forum NOT read Marabas' Occult lesson on
the false origins of Wicca. It is beyond excellent. I'd
love to prattle on about it but I'd be telling too much.
next time you 'hear' anyone 'talk' about WICCA you'll smile.
Please get it when you can, as well as his Beginners guide
to Paganism and Witchcraft. Great stuff.
JK
[Infoburst: Hi JK, Glad you liked Marabas's OEXP069, How to pronounce
'Wicca' has become something of a shibboleth amongst occultists in the
know! ;-)
See http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm and scroll down to OEXP069
BB Denise W. ]
Topic Witchcraft-Gardner. posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 07:51 AM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:55 AM
I find it amusing, if you mention Aleister Crowley to a Wiccian,
they tend to shriek 'Devil! or somesuch horror concept. And yet,
if you read Gardners Book of Shadows, the copyright concessions are:
Magick;part 4, and huge chunks of rituals involving The Star
Goddess are exact extracts from Liber Al vel Legis, The cornerstone
of Mr. Crowley's Religious formulation: Thelema. It gets stranger!
My Human Guru, knew Mr. Gardner, who was trained and initiated by
Crowley! Knowing of the rift between Wicca and Crowley, told me this ,
laughing/crying (same thing to Him). Check it out,The Wiccian
Star Godess is Nuit, Godess of infinite Space, and The Infinite Stars
Thereof! Here, I find humour, it's hilarious! Book 4;Magick,
& Liber Al are clearly copyrighted, proof. Any Wiccian opinion?
[Infoburst: Sorry Draconuit I can't let you get away with that. M says
that there's a world of difference between the idea that Crowley, a
one-time friend of GBG, wrote a lot of the prose for Gardner's original
book of shadows, (true) and then insisting that Crowley initiated
Gardner (untrue). Why would Gardner want to be initiated into hermetic
magic when his own Modus Vivendi had always been the promotion of
neo-paganism? BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Witchcraft and personalities posted by JJ User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:42 AM
Hi, for a true insight to Kevein Carylon go to
http://www.occultforums.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=342341#post342341 and
then make your own mind up.
Topic RE: Witchcraft and personalities posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 01:45 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Well David, There are misguided fools and there are egotistical maniacs
in every sub-culture and often the worst are the loudest so you will
have to develop discernment as this is the only protection beginners
have. For example Kevin Carlyon would not be the person we would direct
you to if you want to join mainstream, genuine witchcraft. A notorious
self-publicist who will apparently jump through any hoops for the
British tabloids, Carlyon has a long track record of misleadingly
representing genuine witchcraft and paganism. You can find out the type
of thing by reading The Lewes Satanic Death Curse Report which Carlyon
was peripherally involved with. Interestingly enough this can be
downloaded instantly from our website right now for just 4.97 - it makes
EXCELLENT reading and lifts the lid on clowns of his ilk.
Goto www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lewesrep.htm and prepared to be astounded.
Topic Witchcraft and personalities posted by Anonymous User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Kind of in response to Scott's posting being a male beginner
to Witchcraft, I have a question about personalities in Wicca:
Is Kevin Carlyon a genuine powerful Witch or a charlatan ?
I've Seen him on TV a few times and he claims to be 'THE witch'
when referring to others like Gardner/Sanders and their followers.
so what is real witchcraft and what is rubbish to avoid ?
Also, re Sanders/Gardner were they adepts or pseudos ?
Best to all, David.
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Topic RE: Witchcraft Confusion posted by Paul User
posted on June 23, 2009 at 06:18 PM
So what draws you to the conclusion that you can call yourself a witch?
Topic RE: Witchcraft Confusion posted by NICOLA User
posted on June 22, 2009 at 04:00 PM
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.I JUST SARTED TO GO BACK TO ST PETERS
A CATHOLIC'S UNDERSANDING OF ANGELS ARE DIFFERRENT, GOD'S ARMY
TOTELEY IN CHARGE .UP THERE BUT WITH A GRENTCH BOSS. NOT A GIUDENCE
CONCELA. AS FOR THE OTHER I TRIED A SELF WORTE RETEVEL SPELLES
ONLY ONE WORKED. IF YOU KNOW A BETTER .ONE i wOULD BE GRATFUL.
Topic Witchcraft Confusion posted by Nicola User
posted on June 19, 2009 at 04:04 AM
edited on June 21, 2009 at 01:23 PM
Can I still class myself as a witch even tho Iam working with mostly
angels. As I havent use spells for a very long time? I also goto a
regular church. I was brought up catholic.
[Infoburst: I'm sorry Nicola but there's no other way of putting this -
you just don't know what you are talking about and sound as though you
are 11 years old. I'm sure your church-going acquaintences would be the
first to call you a witch (smile) and there are many hundreds of
thousands of self-declared New Age witches who would agree that you can
easily become a witch simply by calling yourself one (tortured grin),
however the truth of the matter is that any person who thinks that
working with angels might disqualify them from being a witch is so far
off track that the best thing they can do is withdraw back into the
clutches of churchianity. If you really want to understand about
paganism and witchcraft then read Marabas's Beginner's Guide To Paganism
-
(click here for more info) it will save be a revelation to you. You can
even download it instantly, right now, and change your life. BB Denise
W.
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Topic Witch doctors, sacrifices, Uganda posted by William User
posted on January 11, 2010 at 02:52 AM
edited on January 13, 2010 at 05:36 PM
Interested to know what anyone makes of this sort of thing
due to air on the following rado and TV programmes.
As believers in the supernatural what should we make of
the 'spiritual' side of it ? are these practitioners
really in touch with gods and spirits who command child
sacrifice ?
Crossing Continents - Uganda: Battling the Witch-Doctors will be broadcast on Radio 4 at 11am on Thursday.
Newsnight - Uganda: Battling the Witch-Doctors will be screened on BBC2 at 10.30pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/uganda/6944292/Human-sacrifices-on-the-rise-in-Uganda-as-witch-doctors-admit-to-rituals.html
[Infoburst: It's media hysteria and you should not even be considering it as genuine following the SRA myth a decade or so ago.
Remember, in the 15c YOU would have been burned
at the stake for sacrificing children!
Read this: Read this for the truth. BB Denise W.
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Topic Witches Bible posted by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:15 PM
I have this book it is really worth having
I strongly recommend it.
Topic Witches Bible posted by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:15 PM
I have this book it is really worth having
I strongly recommend it.
Topic Witches Bible posted by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:15 PM
I have this book it is really worth having
I strongly recommend it.
Topic Witches Bible posted by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:15 PM
I have this book it is really worth having
I strongly recommend it.
Topic RE: Witches Bible (Farrar) posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 06, 2008 at 01:41 PM
Hi,
The Witches Bible is excellent, if you've read too many of the
fuzzier Wicca books you should read this. It is actually two of
the Farrars' books in one (Eight Sabbats for Witches and the Witches
Way). It is maybe a bit 'coven oriented' but other than that but
your other books will balance that off. I would recommend getting
it.
John.
ps. the authors have a website which will explain their beliefs at
http://www.wicca.utvinternet.com/
Topic Witches Bible (Farrar) posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 06, 2008 at 11:21 AM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 03:52 PM
Greetings to everyone,
I am wondering about a book called 'The Witches' Bible' by Janet and
Stewart Farrar. I've heard very mixed opinions but never so much as
seen the book's cover.(Can't access SA booklist at present for their
recommendation). I hear that they are 'evolved' Alexandrians if
that is the right way to put it ? Anyway, I have Buckland's complete
book of Witchcraft, Cunningham's Solitary Wicca, and Marabas'
Beginner's guide to Paganism/Witchcraft. Am I missing anything this
book can fill in ? Some are put off by the word 'bible' meaning
maybe a fundamentalist approach but also some think this is THEE
book on Witchcraft. I am very new to Witchcraft/occultism and would
appreciate any help here, Thank you.
[Infoburst: Hi. The Witches' Bible contains two very influential works
by the Farrars (Eight Sabbaths for Witches and The Witch's Way'). Before
Stuart Farrar passed over some years back he was in fairly regular
touch with Marabas and used to visit the S.A. Farrar was originally a
tabloid journalist and was introduced to Witchcraft by Alex Sanders (the
'progenitor' of 'Alexandrian' Witchcraft) . Farrar did a piece on
Sanders, a publicity junkie, for The NoW in the early 1970s and was so
intrigued that he personally converted to 'Alexandrian' (an eclectic mix
of Solomonic Magic and traditional Witchcraft ). Marabas says Stuart
Farrar saw the potential in the burgeoning Neo-Paganism and wrote a (for
the times) seminal book titled 'What Witches Do' [now tame but
excellent for the times]. Once Farrar had plumbed the depths of Alex
Sanders knowledge (took about a month ;-)) Farrar moved into promoting
'Wicca' as a more 'moral' message to Neo Pagans. His writings are
extremely enlightening and provide an excellent start for beginners.
The S.A. has featured this 'bible' for over a decade and you can obtain a copy from here -
. BB Denise W. ]
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posted on July 09, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Alice I forget to mention (senior moment) that meditation can greatly
help if there is a group circle you an join this would be good as
everyone learns from each other I have been in one run by a very dear
friend who has rheumatoid arthritis this lady is a wonder refuses a
wheelchair works on an allotment with her husband(no digging of course)
and is in the Outreach service of the Samaritans So go forth young lady
grow and learn
BB
Ann B
Topic Wot is N A n posted by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:28 PM
Alice I too have various problems but they could be used to make you
stronger. My back is broken so it makes life hard at hard together with a
bad heart and ME but from these problems I have learnt to look at life
differently to see how kind people are and the beauty of nature Many
illnesses as Denise explains are psychomatic and can cause the problems
to seem far worse. Take a deep breath look at what is good in life write
down all that you have and you will see howgood life is Take heed of
Denise she will set you on the right path she is a very good and wise
person.I find now also that people are wonderful when you slow down if
you're on your own take strides to elevate the loneliness.
Take Care you seem to be a young person and as RiceandPeas says Hurrah 4 Magick
BB
AnnB
Topic Nymphomaniacs posted by John User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 01:47 PM
Hi Ricenpeas,
Thanks for the info re male nymphomaniacs. The flavours sound
interesting, not so sure about male ones though. Cheers mate !
John.
Topic RE: True Will posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 01:25 PM
Thanks for that anon. I cant compare my 3 months serious Magickal study
to that of most on this forum and the line between Understanding and
True Will is work in progress so nice one for the tip. I take it that
morals as the genaral public sees it dissolves at the point of realising
who you are and how you fit in.
I have had 2 interventions by the NAN comunity as my Dad was part of the
tribe and nothing was private. The first was for reading Crowley and
the 2nd was for leaving out a piece of paper with some early study on
sigils. I was quite young and they broke me both times using the words
like "morals", "greed" and the like both subjective and easy to bully
people with. I still meet with the NAN comunity and my step mother is a
Reiki Master enough to spark interest in NOX. Thanks for the chat.
John, so as not to dissapiont i would like to make clear that
nymphomaniacs are available in many different flavours including Male.
;)
Ricenpeas
Topic Spells, etc posted by John User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 12:18 PM
edited on July 11, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Hi Alice,
Firstly I am far from an adept IMHO but making some steady progress
because of reading and applying Frater Marabas' writings.
I would
recommend to anyone Marabas' Candle-Magick spellbook which will
explain everything you need to know about how you can work your
own magic and should suit your needs. There's also many alternatives
on the SA website and downloadable lessons, and many items dealing with prosperity and health.
Best regards,
John.
Topic RE: Wot Is N.A.N. posted by Alice User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 12:03 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 02:47 PM
HI JOHN, I ENJOY READING YOUR POSTINGS..........can you tell me what is
the best spell for me to use to be more "abundant" and attract
prosperity to me.
I have had many health problems which have made me too ill to work, so I
just wondered if there was anything you would recommend?
Thanks so much for your time, Alice.
[Infoburst: Alice, you are not helping yourself - you are adopting the
guise of a victim and appealing for some big daddy patriarch to wave a
magic wand and put everything in your life right. Marabas teaches that
anyone in a crisis is there because the gods have put them there in
response to their intractableness. That is, the gods have warned them in
various ways over the years but the person has not taken notice, blamed
someone else for their position or dodged the issue with the hundred
and one excuses that the Ego uses to avoid having to actually get
themselves up out of the state they are in. He teaches that Magick is a
technology to empower and aid people to release this downward spiral and
bring a more harmonious and 'successful' state. This will only happen
if you take responsibility yourself for where you are at this moment in
time. Some illness is genetic but most illnesses are psychosomatic and
in occult terms M teaches that all illnesses are a symptom of energy
imbalance. Thus the prime criteria for putting your life in order is to
regain and retain your health.
His OEXP072 and OEXP073
explains how to do this in great detail and you can download them RIGHT
NOW so you have NO excuse not to act. THEN come back and ask about
wealth spells which will be the next step on your road to your cosmic
emancipation. Be Blessed, Denise W.
Topic RE: Wot Is N.A.N. posted by John User
posted on July 06, 2008 at 12:31 PM
A nymphomaniac doesn't sound too hard a chastisement to me.
(Is there really such a thing ? Seriously I think its a very
outdated and sexist word but I get your point. Maybe your
acquaintance should have had more iron in his diet or something)
I think I could take the risk ! But I could relate to your
postings anon. Know-Dare-Will-Keep Silent: First came across
that on my old Weejee board. Nice.
Best regards,
John.
Topic RE: True Will posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 05, 2008 at 07:11 PM
Thanks Anon. Thats great stuff. give me a few days to digest that and i will post back.
ricenpeas
Topic True Will posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 05, 2008 at 05:12 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 03:02 PM
To my mind True Will is the Tao. It is being attuned to your
own path and at harmony with nature and the Universe. All
is One at the highest state and I don't think you can really
understand without deep insight meditation, Mindfulness training,
Zen or whatever method suits you. Morality is likewise only
really understood through personal intuition. Do What thou Wilt,
Yes, or to put another spin on it 'the truth will set you free'.
Every Man and Every Woman is a Star = we each have our own unique
orbit and our own light, but it is also set in the order of the
Cosmos. Also meditate on the great formula 'Know-Dare-Will-Keep Silent.
[Infoburst: Too True Anonymous, Marabas teaches that at this point in
the circle we are all separate but at the opposite end of the universe
we are all one. When the initiate atones (at ones) with the cosmos
through ASCs brought on via magic or meditational methods they realise
exactly their own responsibility to themselves and others and see that
perpetrating evil onto anyone else is as unhelpful as perpetrating
goodness onto anyone else. The art of creating harmony (finding wu wei
as the Taoists have it) frees onself from Samsara (the round of the
illusion of cause and effect) and liberates the Self to a point at which
everything comes together and is seen as a dependent part of the whole.
Black and White, Good and Bad, up and down, in and out, etc. are the
same things. It is only the ignorance of our perception which sees them
as anything different. As Marabas is fond of saying: 'The true meaning
of anything always resides in it's opposite' To truly KNOW a thing is to
conjoin with it. All those people who refuse to understand this are the
ones who perpetrate evil on this plane; no matter how well
intentioned.
Read Marabas's Secrets of Mind Control and see! (http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindcont.htm ) BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Wot Is N.A.N. posted by Rice n peas User
posted on July 05, 2008 at 02:26 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 03:08 PM
Thanks Anon. Thanks for your post. I think i met the same nymphomaniac
as your mate. Wasnt the worst lesson ive ever learnt, but it did teach
me to say No and stand my ground, very dificult given her wild
charactor. Was it worth it though....(smile)
I am spending a lot of thought on "Do what thout Will be the whole of
the Law. Love is the Law. Love under Will." and comparing that with
"Nothing is true, all is permited" I dont thik iether of these
statements say "do what you like and screw the rest" as i have been
NANaly informed. For me today it means finding out who i am, how i fit
in through experiencing. I do have a question. What is the difference
between true Will and a moral compass.
Nice One
Ricenpeas
[ Infoburst: Good thread RicenPeas, you are hitting your wu wei. Marabas
liked your 'NANally retentive' phrase and says he hopes to see it used
more often on the forum. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Wot Is N.A.N. posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 09:23 PM
A person without resources is in a bad position to help himself and even
less able to help others, so drink first from the well then there will
be plenty of water left, ie: Magic for personal gain will/could get you
in a better position to start being of use or at 'square one'. The gods
will ignore greed anyway. They may acknowledge need, sincerity and your
True Will.
Magic is not dangerous unless you are irresponsible in which case the Universe
will either ignore you or chasten you. Greedy people aren't at one with them
-selves and may find their wishes coming true will actually be a chastisement.
That nymphomaniac might actually turn up. I know someone this happened to and
he couldn't get rid of her for a long time !
manipulation is a fact of life and we need a moral compass here. We manipulate
animals and the environment, and getting that coveted job means maybe dozens
of other hopefuls will be distraught. This is life, it is unavoidable but
we can only each do our best. Not all manipulation is bad though and you have
to beware that competition and struggle are part of the human condition
from the race of millions of sperm to create YOU to the pheremones on your
skin attracting the opposite sex to start the cycle again.
Topic Wot Is N.A.N. posted by RicenPeas User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 06:57 PM
Thinking out loud here and would love to bounce my thoughts off others,
old and new, so feel free to chuck in wot you feel. A few of the many
ideas that have been forced upon me during my youth and slowed my
development were these.
Magick should ONLY be practiced for the good of all. Never for PERSONEL gain.
This is such a vauge statement but my response is this...if everyone
took responsability for there own health, wealth and happiness doing
Magick for themselves, the people that say these vauge statements would
become obselete.
Doing Magick is dangerous
Magick works, o yes it works. Wishes do come true, so, as they say
becareful what you wish for. This does not meen stop wishing coz its
dangerous, just apply a bit of self analysis. Enchanting for a flash car
to compensate for a small personality is not gonna solve the problem
and maybe stretchin the universe a bit. An invocation would be more
suited in this case and a lot would be learned. Doing Magick thows up
challenges as does life itself and in my experiences people who are
frightened by Magick are running away from life and themselves. On top
of this is the genuine shock when magick does work. Because of the fear
generated about occultism all sorts of superstitions pop up.
Superstitions that disapear with a simple banishing ritual or even a
giggle if they were to persist
Magick is about manipulation.
This gets dressed up in so many ways, the words controll and power get
thrown around as if they where super corruptering forces and again
proportions get thrown out of the window. We all manipulate. All the
time. Its a constant. Doing Magick makes us aware of it and as a result
we benifit from it. People who say Magick is manipulation are just
trying to manipulate the way you think.
My point here is to rant. I hope you can relate. if not thanks for
listening. In either case you views are evolving as are mine so throw
them down and lets see how they unfold. Everything is true, All is
permitted.
Hoorah 4 Magick
RiceNpeas
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Topic RE: xist? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on April 16, 2010 at 05:53 PM
Hiya
Thank you for explaining this to me. I should have asked ages ago, but kept thinking Satanist, Fundamentalist, etc.
Topic RE: xist? posted by Denise W User
posted on April 15, 2010 at 08:23 AM
edited on April 15, 2010 at 08:24 AM
Hi all,
JobbyJoe is half-right. Originally the term Xist was coined by Chris
Bray of the Sorcerer's Apprentice to represent the mindset of nominal
Christians - that is people whose parents considered themselves
Christians but who rarely went to church and only passed on their
religion nominally to their kids in rites of passage such as weddings,
births, deaths etc. Such people assume Christianity and its mores are
the 'norm' and are so indoctrinated as children that Christian 'values'
become a reflex thought action which pop up in their decision-making
processes whenever they are under stress. Hence the term Xist applies to
those who have not yet liberated themselves spiritually. People who are
nominal Christians who can be relied upon by the fundies to exhibit a
pre-programmed hypocrisy and hostility to other beliefs in predictable
ways in situations of stress or conflict which ALWAYS favours the
Christian agenda even though they may not always realise what that is
nor how damaging it can be to a multicultural society in general.
Note that Xists was not originally meant to be a derogatory sectarian
insult but based on the premise that the minds of Xists are spiritually
unliberated and therefore they do not Live but simply Xist (exist) in a
twilight world of continual ignorance. It is this miasma of illusion
(known to Qabbalists as Yesod) which has spawned the obscene excesses of
the Media and what passes for 'entertainment' which so ably directs and
corrupts the minds of Xists into a zombified populace ready to do the
bidding of their masters.
For more information on this see Secrets of Mind Control here. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: xist? posted by Jobby Joe User
posted on April 15, 2010 at 01:49 AM
Think xmas
Topic xist? posted by ethericsoul User
posted on April 14, 2010 at 04:32 PM
Hiya
Can someone tell me what Xist means? Just that I see it in the SA's
writings such as the Monographs but nothing explaining what it actually
means.
Thanks
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Topic RE: Zen, meditation and Siddhis posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 05, 2008 at 01:42 PM
Hi Nimmo, all,
Marabas teaches that the Lotus position is not absolutely necessary for
Westerners who do not have flexibility in their limbs. The important
thing is that the pelvis is turned upwards and forwards under the spinal
column to straighten and lengthen the Pingala and Ida psychic channels
on either side of the spine. This is achieved automatically when in the
full lotus but the same position (nearly) can be achieved simply by
sitting on a hard chair with one's legs locked underneath and this
position is ideal for 'oldies' and others who have not yet been able to
articulate their joints fully in Hatha Yoga. The Siddhis are considered
simply indications of progress (inadvertent phenomena) on the way
towards the ultimate and will occur naturally as one progresses because
the Self will 'stumble' upon them as the development progresses.
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Zen, meditation and Siddhis posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 02, 2008 at 02:58 PM
Best books I ever found were by Anagorika Govinda - absolutely blowing
away the confusion that can sometimes exist between eastern and western
systems.He even uses the word 'magic' throughout!
Topic RE: Zen, meditation and Siddhis posted by paultheseer User
posted on January 31, 2008 at 04:35 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Hi,
Just found this excellent board. I was initiated into an Eastern
Esoteric Order and in the higher degrees the siddhis are taught, you
should read the Upanishads as the answers can be found there. With
regards to the Lotus position it is recommended mainly because of energy
flow (kundalini) but also discipline of the body. Personally I have
never found it useful, like all occult practises it is how you are
comfortable. The key to the siddhis is the breath and intention (kriya)
also useful would be anything by Swami Anandakkapila Saraswati (John
Mumford) his work is excellent particularly the tattwa cards for
clairvoyance etc (as used by the GD) I found that a mix of eastern and
western methods can work very well, one gives you the ritual element and
the other gives you the inner or mystical angle.
Paul
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on
Tatwa Cards use this link
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/elementl.htm ]
Topic Zen, meditation and Siddhis posted by Nimmo User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 09:18 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Does Anyone have a background or experience in Zen
Buddhism or similar meditation based yoga, etc
with an insight into developing 'Siddhis'
(supernatural powers, clairvoyance, etc), and
does traditional Zen teach this ? Also, why do
many Zen masters insist upon developing full lotus
position which seems near impossible for myself..
Does it really aid in the quality of the meditation
(zazen seated meditation) that much or is it just
for austerity's sake ?
BTW: Anyone interested in meditation, check out
Marabas's OEXP on Taoist meditation which in a few
pages outdoes any couple of hundred page zen book.
Best for the Holidays,
Nimmo.
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on Marabas's OEXP073 Taoist Meditation ]
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm and then scroll down the A-Z list to Taoist Meditation. ]
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Topic RE: Money and the Gods posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 09:55 AM
edited on January 25, 2008 at 09:56 AM
HI UVRAY me again, Secondly about the working out of magic: I think you
may have misunderstood my posting. I am AGREEING WITH your conclusions
on magical attitude - not contradicting them. I agree that one has to
put body and soul into one's magic. I agree that the results will occur
in unforseen ways and that many of these will commence with very small
and subtle changes and opportunities which, if watched for and seized at
the right moment, will inflate the magic and bring success. So there is
no disagreement between us on that.
However I am surprised that your approach to magic is so self-limiting.
The axiom 'that which is possible is permissible' is not a provocation
for anyone to take someone else's life, it emphasises the fact that
everything which is possible must also be in some way permissible. Such
as, (in respect of your illustration about killing someone) when a
serial killer is executed in the U.S. by the state for the 'better good'
of society. Or when an ordinary guy is given a gun, trained how to use
it and sent to Afghanistan to shoot strangers because of some political
ideology he usually will not understand. Or when a victim of mugging
kills his attacker in self defence. Etc. The axiom does not condone
irresponsible action of any kind - it simply underlines the fact that if
it is possible then by qualification it must be permissible in
evolutionary terms, which means ultimately that we humans have a great
deal of freedom of action and must understand our individual
relationships with it and MAKE THE MORAL CHOICES necessary rather than
accepting self-limitation by rote. The fact that you, like me, would not
countenance harming another, makes no difference to the truism of the
axiom.
None of this contradicts your (correct) assertion that Magic is Self
Empowering. It is BECAUSE 'that which is possible is permissible' that
magick becomes self-empowering.
By the way. Shamans 'fly' all the time!
BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: Money and the Gods posted by denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 09:35 AM
Hi UVRAY - You made three good points. First about the gods: Let's go
into it in detail so there's no room for ambiguity. It doesn't matter
whether YOU believe in the gods or not - THE UNIVERSE BEHAVES AS THOUGH
THEY EXIST. That means that you do not HAVE to believe IN the gods but
if you do not take account of them in your magic it is likely to miss
it's mark. Links with the gods exist also, latently, in the minds of
every sentient entity. As an LHP devotee you should know this. Due to
the rise of the Empire of Academe and its strangelhold over education it
has become fashionable for those self-taught occultists who have been
indoctrinated into scientific materialism at school to modify the
Ancient Wisdom into a pastiche of science. Marabas says that this is
probably due to an insecurity of belief which brings fears that they may
be 'ridiculed' by their equally indoctrinated peers if they believe in
ideas which are thousands of years old instead of the 'discoveries' of
the last century. Marabas will not stand for such compromises. One can
certainly try to ignore the gods, and deny they exist but that only
makes you more vulnerable to their affect on your Nature. Personally my
experience of the involvement of the gods in magic is so absolutely
incontrovertible that without rancour I must say that you must either do
very little practical magic or have to work very had indeed to avoid
stumbling upon them. It would be better not to state repeatedly that you
don't believe in the gods as though challenging those that do. It is
one thing to say that you choose not to believe in the gods, and quite
another to infer that you don't believe in them because they don't
exist. If you are still unsure please start a separate thread on this
subject so that others can contribute and educate us all. This will
avoid fractionalising the focus of one thread with an ongoing debate
over whether or not the gods exist. BB Denis W.
Topic RE: Money posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 09:28 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Questions positied in this forum are considered hypothetical and
answered as such because other surfers have no idea of the complexity of
the querent's situation, nor what breadth of magical skill or
experience they have. You can either have anonymity and get hypothetical
answers which may offend you or give personal details so that others
can advise fully and not make assumptions. Your choice. Commentators are
only likely to posit hypothetical answers to your questions if your
questions are incomplete or malformed. As Marabas says, the question is
often of more importance than it's answer. If you don't ask the right
questions you won't get the right answer. For example. It's no use
asking if money magic works because the answer is obviously yes as our
testimonials page on this website shows
[http://wwww.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testim2.htm.] The real question
is: 'Will money magic work for me in my unique circumstances which I
will detail below .... list of conditions ....... and if so how should I
go about it?
Topic RE: Money and the Gods posted by UVRAY User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 07:32 PM
You see, Denise, I wasn't referring to "deserve" as a form of karmic value.
I was referring to the effort one must put in. In effect, I am positing
that one cannot simply sit back and wait for the results to fall into
our laps. You must remain aware that magical results come in many forms
and in perhaps being lazy we may well miss an opportunity that comes our
way because of magic.
Personally, I do not believe in God or Gods. And I do not believe
"Anything" is possible. Magic won't make us fly, for instance. Magic
works in concurrence with nature and as such there are parameters. Which
is why I postulate that above all magic is self empowering.
Neither do I accept that everything is necessarily permissable.
Personally, I do not use magic to try and kill someone, for example.
Topic Money posted by £man User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 04:51 PM
There would seem to be a lot of assumptions as to what kind of person I
may or may not be! Puretongue offered good advice which I thank you
for.
As a matter of interest has anybody else found money magick that really
works. I think this question is as valid and as important as any other
question on this forum.
Topic RE: Money and the Gods posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 12:05 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Magick MUST by qualification offer the improbable. Usually it is the
limited awareness of the user which bars them from success. Where they
are at is the result of past actions (or non actions). They must gain
insight before the gods open up to them. However, it is clearly not the
case that one must 'deserve' something in order to succeed in getting
it. The City of London is full of people who do not 'deserve' their
wealth. If they can succeed materially in that way then why not £man?
Many people come to magick as a last resort and in such instances magick
does work for them. Over 35 years our files are BULGING with
testimonials from people who have changed their lives miraculously. S.A.
surfers fall into two camps. Esotericists who are involved in the
long-term development of their spiritual evolution based on initiated
techniques - and people who just want to get themselves out of debt,
gain love, etc. and change the course of their life. It is important for
advanced occultists not to impose their world view onto others and
limit the possibilities - after all, if magick IS magick, then nothing
is impossible and everything is permissible.
UVRAY may be right - if £man is a selfish, person who is unwilling to
transform his life for the better the gods will not respond, but it is
important for £man to have the facility of trying because in many
instances the magick WILL work. Of course as Marabas teaches that the
REAL wisdom is in deciding whether a lottery win will improve or destroy
the quality of one's life!
[INFOBURST: To see case histories of people who have succeeded using magick log onto
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm - To learn initiated views on destiny & karma read Marabas's OEXP066 on Karma by going to
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm]
Topic RE: Money and the Gods posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Creative Moneymaking by Denning & Phillips is the best all round
balanced magical method I've used so far. It bailed us out of a very
difficult time some years ago.
Topic RE: Money and the Gods posted by UVRAY User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 AM
>> Astral Gold spell only brought small amount.Need big amount! <<
Accepting the premise, as you allude to in the title of this post, that
benevolent Gods are sitting up there handing out such rewards then I am
afraid they will only award you what you deserve.
Perhaps you've been a naughty boy and only deserve a small amount.
:-)
Seriously though, what amazes me with many of the questions I have seen
on this forum since its inception is people's assupmtion that all one
has to do is perform a little magic and then sit and wait for the
results to fall into their lap.
Magic is, above all, self empowering.
Magic + action = results.
As I say, you get what you deserve.
Perform your magic and then be astute. Results might not fall into your
lap but an opportunity to achieve your goals probably will. One has to
be astutely aware of the subtle nuances of magical workings.
.
Topic Money and the Gods posted by £man User
posted on January 23, 2008 at 07:33 PM
New thread for views on money magick! Anyone done a spell and hit the
lotto jackpot? Advise on best method!Astral Gold spell only brought
small amount.Need big amount!
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Topic **ISRAEL REGARDIE** absolutely brill ! posted by Zara P User
posted on March 14, 2008 at 02:39 PM
and second to none.
Purchase any of his books and see for yourself!
Zara P xx
Topic Most powerful Books, etc... posted by Jon User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 09:47 PM
edited on March 19, 2008 at 05:34 PM
In my opinion, William Grey is great. I also liked Laurence Gallian's
work and that "Poke" Runyun fellow was not bad. Marabas's short magickal
texts are REALLY cool too IMHO.
One thing I like best is when William Grey actually has a practice
schedule in order to develope the feeling of the various principles that
you'll be working with in Magick. He actually has a practitioner spend
time in order to develope understanding of each principle of earth, air,
fire, and water, or to develope each kabbalistic principle, etc.
I think the neurological basis for this is sound because the neural
pathways in the brain that work together for understanding and feeling
of each principle get excercised. Wilhelm Reich said, "Today's Step is
Tomorrow's Life." And that's a very magickal principle in itself.
[Infoburst: I agree with you Jon. W.G.Gray's writings were classics of
the occult almost from their first printing. He used to visit Marabas
and our shop here in the old days and had a very commanding presence.
His Magical Ritual Methods and Tree of Evil (one of a handful dealing
with the Qlippoth or averse QBL) should be on every initiate's
bookshelf. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: telephone wizard quickie desire spell posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 16, 2008 at 09:08 PM
edited on January 18, 2008 at 04:26 PM
that's rather a large assumption. doubts mean one stuck in a
materialistic mode? as far as testing as a lone individual...there's the
placebo effect, so I dont think asking about other peoples' experiences
might be is some horrible thing.
from what Ive read pheromones can be a complicated thing.
I purchased a welz orgone generator years ago, put an attraction sigil
that came with it in front of it and some of my hair and went out on the
town. I had some success...however, imagine my surprise when I came
home and realized I hadn't plugged the thing in (it's electrically
powered).
btw ive purchased some items from the SA by mail order some 12 years ago.
[Denise Replies: You've just proved my point. It wouldn't be a surprise
to an initiate that the magic worked whether it was plugged in or not.
Doubt is poisonous to magical success - critical questioning is another
matter but then why bother when you can just DO the magic - suck it and
see? BB DW.]
Topic RE: most powerful magic books posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 06:55 PM
Hi Denise to your question no i was not saying that.I meant you take
what fits your perferance from books,and make them fit you,not you fit
the books. Books are important to gather information,so you can make a
decision as to which path you wish to take,but its how you feel about
the information which is important not the context,if it feels right,
then it is right,if it does not feel right it must be wrong for you.I am
sorry if i came across as though books are not important,because they
for gathing the right information for yourself.I was just saying you
can't take all the information from just one book,but many.Blessings
Chris
Topic RE: most powerful magic books posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 02:51 PM
Hi Darkorder. I think it is clear from the scope of your contributions
in this forum that your claim not to have been influenced by books is a
real one. Denise W.
Topic RE: most powerful magic books posted by darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Hi all,i must say that my veiw is there is no powerful magic books,you
can't learn from books,you just take information which suits you.The
true book is in you,you are the book,all the information is already in
you,you have just got to open it.No book can tell you how to breath,you
just do,just look within and you will find.Plus there are no true
answers,everyone thinks different so magic must be placed in those
differences or it just wont work.Take what you will from different books
but don't treat it as fact,look within.
Topic telephone wizard quickie desire spell posted by wondering User
posted on January 13, 2008 at 07:13 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:42 AM
I just ordered this tonight...i admit the prescribed procedure leaves me
a little skeptical...it was cheap though so Im not too stressed....has
anyone tried and used this with success? If you want to share yr
experiences that would be great.
[Denise Replies: Jeez... Not another who finds a belief in magic so
primitive that they fear losing their materialistic arrogance.
'Wondering', If you are so unsure of yourself that you can't come to
grips with what is, then asking for the 'what is' from other people
won't help either. The simple answer is to Suck it and See! How do you
think the Sorcerer's Apprentice got to be the longest lasting, largest,
most honourable occult store with over 70,000 clients worldwide if our
spells didn't work? You are right. You ARE a sceptic and unless you
shift your mind from it's dependency on scientific materialism your
magic won't work.
Try the Love Attraction Spell on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm - it's simple but effective.
Try it and see. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: most powerful magic books posted by John D. User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 04:29 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:40 AM
I'm sorry Patti but you've either not explained yourself properly or you
are just not well enough read to suggest that books are dispensible and
that all magic 'must come from within'.
Marabas teaches that to draw knowledge from the Anima Mundi on command
the operator needs to know structured magical methods wich can only be
learned from others. Ideally this should be from a mentor or guru but
any teacher worth his salt will have already published his discoveries
so a wider audience can benefit from them.
There is
no better way of reprogramming our own minds than by reading of
the discoveries and experience of others on the path.
There are THOUSANDS of essential classic books each of which can change
the direction of a person's life utterly - from the Yoga Aphorisms of
Patanjali, through Agrippa's Natural Magic, to Lao Tze's Tao Te Ching
and the hundreds more, many of which feature in the S.A.'s booklist
(see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm ) These classic
books contain gems of magical knowledge which is unsurpassed and
unavailable anywhere else. They are indispensible. What is important is
that every true seeker realises that trustworthy guidance IS available
in printed form if you know where to look.
The real answer to this question is that when the questioner has
invested enough insight and time in learning about his Self and the
esoteric options which might suit his nature then he will then be able
to focus his question in a way which will bring the right answer. He
should read books on ALL aspects of occultism until he finds one which
intuitively fits. Marabas advises on this in detail in his very valuable
primer on occultism for complete beginners which can be read free on
the S.A. website
(http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/gateway.htm)
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: magic:PAtti. posted by Patti User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 04:12 PM
edited on January 15, 2008 at 02:56 PM
Red Dragon,
Just back from surgery; sorry for the delay in response. Everyone makes
mistakes and I hope this board is tolerant of those who do. I really
don't mind being criticized or poked fun at, so keep annoying, checking
or whatever-if I am a spade today, perhaps a heart tomorrow (lol). And
if you are my banana, perhaps you will see that I can have a sense of
humor when warranted. ¿
However I would like to say that I do question people who comment
anonymously... why hide? Reveal yourself and defend your position!
Differences make this world a place I enjoy being in! Perhaps the real
reason for hiding is that if people knew who was commenting, someone
would be less likely to post unproductive personal attacks???
Pastlifwizard, don't let anyone (even me) give you 100 of your opinion;
take what sounds true in your heart...try different things to see what
best suits you. Not everyone is going to agree or like the way things
are presented, but take the time to sort out useful tips from ego. You
will find that the benefit was worth the time.
I wish every Wiccan and Pagan a wonderful New Wheel!
Patti
Topic RE: magic:PAtti. posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 01:52 AM
Whoops, I was tired, re-reading, 'outline' makes a lot of difference, I,
stupidly, didn't take that in. Apologies most sincere to you.I actually
agree totally. At present, I'm either your annoying banana,
or caring stargazer. That was pure error though, all in orbit.
you're about to be annoyed/checked by the annoying/ caring Red Dragon again: spade is a spade.
(You can get rid of me, "go away" would work.)
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Topic magic posted by Patti User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:55 PM
Red Dragon, if you only agree 40% and believe that my advice depends on
the path that you are on, I can accept that-I am always open to other
thoughts. So what book out there would you suggest to our new friend
that will give specific directions to work that anyone could follow and
experience the same exact results (or better) as the person who created
the spell? That is not meant to be argumentative: that comment is meant
to ask if you have found anything in your "travels/studies" that could
possibly equal the results of anything you have performed that you
written yourself.
By the way-Mr. or Ms. Bananas seems to think I do not have a sense of humor... I do. I just don't find fruit funny. :)
Topic Most powerful magick books. posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 07:22 AM
One must agree 40% with Patti, though i say, this depends on your
chosen path; E.G. The holy qabalah, if your path be quaballistic;
etc. However, your diary, or book of shadows; a record of all Magickal workings, meditations; and the results thereof.
Topic RE: most powerful magic books posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 05:42 PM
And as Dai Vernon said ''Watch those angles!!''
Topic RE: most powerful magic books posted by Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 01:26 AM
The most powerful magic comes from you. Not by performing something that
someone else has written. Other people have many good ideas, but when
you use that as an outline and make the spell or Ritual your own, THAT
is true power.
Topic most powerful magic books posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 05:07 AM
what are the most powerful known magic books?
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Topic RE: Witches mill, Isle of Man posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 20, 2007 at 09:58 AM
Thanks for the response, very interesting. Being Manx I can understand
what you mean about superstitions - with all the Manannan, little
people, Buggane/giants, Subterranean lands, Moddey Doo/black devil dog,
white lady, talking mongoose etc. myths, stories and legends (although I
believe the chained vampire grave was just a way of getting round
burial laws for someone who committed suicide). I can`t say I`ve noticed
the general populous to be particularly sensitive to spiritual and
magical things, is this a leyline type of thing?
- There is a kind of ritual where people write down their wish and
attach it to a tree on the fairy bridge, It seems fairly popular but
doesn`t seem to be taken very seriously - Cheers.
Topic RE: Witches mill, Isle of Man posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:51 PM
Hi and welcome to the forum. Marabas says that The Witches Mill was a
partnership between Gardner and Cecil Williamson (who later owned the
Boscastle Witches Museum for many years). It was a pioneering and
courageous attempt to present a unified public approach to Witchcraft
and paganism and they cleverly presented it as a kind of holiday-resort
experience in the most superstitious and other-worldly empathic location
in the U.K. (People born in the Isle of Man are highly sensitive to
spiritual and magical things) The fortunes of the Witches' Mill rose and
fell with the British holiday industry. At one time hundreds of
thousands of workers from Merseyside rolled off the ferries for their
two weeks in the I.O.M. but sixties overseas package holidays in the sun
was the death knell for mass tourism in the Island. Disagreements
eventually surfaced. Williamson hived off and started a Museum of
Torture in the I.O.M and then moved on to Boscastle where he reorganised
a new Witches' Musuem. After Gardner's death control of the exhibits
from the I.O.M. went to Monique Wilson who after a few years sold up to
the Ripley 'Believe it or Not' company and most of the stuff went into
storage in the U.S.A. A few years later what was left of the exhibits
was, we believe, bought up by an American Pagan alliance - though it has
to be said that key relics of GBG's were never exhibited or included in
the sale anyway. By today's standards the Witches Mill was somewhat
amateurish but well worth seeing for genuine seekers.
BB Denise W.
Topic Witches mill, Isle of Man posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 04:28 AM
Hello, great to have an S.A. forum. I just wanted to know if anybody
here is familiar with the museum of magic and witchcraft ran by Gardner
in the 60`s,in Castletown on the Isle of man.It was sadly before my
time, did anyone visit? - If so was it any good? Thankyou.
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