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Topic RE: Enochian Language
posted by Blue Dragon (Of Draconuit clan.)
User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 08:05 PM
Red Dragon, Guru, you requested I should alert you to any
possible misconception:re: Your speech. I submit a different
viewpoint: I do not know if mentioning Authors constitutes
'unwarranted,advertising' so, an excellent psychotherapist makes
no distinction between psychotherapy and evoking the goetia;
same thing, different words,:The Therapist can experience
'backfires', where, beyond reason; logic, he recieves the
patients trauma! This is possibly what happened to your lady,
or, just the strain of living with you, got to Her! Things
widely understood are 'scientific fact, those not so well
understood are 'occult', we're witnessing a greater convergance
than ever before, as should be. My point is, Red, you may be an
incredibly wise man, you can also behave like a twit when it
comes to disretion; politics. You asked me to watch out for you,
please be very careful about what you say in public! Respect,
Blue.
Topic RE: Enochian Language
posted by Red Dragon, User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 04:28 PM
Absolutely in accord with you on this, Uvray, however,i, in my
younger days made a terrible error concerning the goetia, my
wife was 'driven nearly mad,' by 'it'--- That, a small example
of the ensuing battle, my arrogance taught me grandly.
Now, having matured, I sit with my friends The demons; maybe
political correctness will come up with an equivalent of
homophobia for the goetia, then i can declare 'some of my best
friends are demons!' As should be within the human psyche. So I
understand what you're saying, Uvray, interesting. (Heavens!
This forum is a marvellous concept, Like it!)
Topic RE: Enochian Language
posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 07:25 AM
The idea that the occult or magic is "dangerous" is born of a
society permeated by faith-based religions. This indoctrination
is far reaching. Fear and guilt is what destroys successful
magical workings. The Magician is justified by the volition of
his own will. He or she practices mastery of these forces, not
subservience to them. It's rather like a relationship between
two people - neither needs to be kneeling at the other's feet.
Side by side, in congruence and mutual respect is the recipe for
success.
Topic RE: caution! peejay
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:51 AM
I know what you are, anon, yet even mockery won't stop mankinds
free access to knowledge most profound and spiritual.
Eventually, man will be certain of his spiritual birthright, and
you?
Topic RE: caution with that monkey!
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:40 AM
I cannot understand 'us', i understand peejay and the
draco-typhon bloke, but you seem somewhat ill at ease with
knowledge of a high order being given out 'free' surely a main
reason for this forum? Dear anon, The 'Bastard sons of Enoch'
won't go away, the knowledge has been given. Enochian magic/k
has gained great popularity in the past 25 yrs. Monkey? Who or
what do you represent to call a man of obvios spirituality that?
'Anon.' Please explain your reasoning, I'm sure 'we'd' enjoy
hearing it
Topic RE: caution with that monkey!
posted by Anon User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 07:06 PM
And how is Prudence? It must be wonderful for you: having more
experience than others, but even better for us that Prudence
tells you to back off!Please give Prudence my regards.
Topic RE: caution! peejay
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:08 PM
"I will fight for occult freedom,"
Same here and have done for decades via opposing fundamentalism.
I would wager that I have FAR greater experience herein then
you.
Topic RE: caution! peejay
posted by pejay User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:06 PM
I still think you need to be cautious!
Topic RE: caution! peejay
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 05:39 PM
Caw! A genuine Thelemic Fighting Monkey!! Fantastic!
Topic caution! peejay
posted by draconis343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Dear Peejay, as a final gesture, might I humbly suggest that you
practice these forms of psychotherapy, an excellent starting
point, the goetia, then, Enochia. When you have this knowledge
through experience, and a fellow seeker asks for an opinion,
what will you do? I understand your point of view, which is,
however, not mine. A Thelemite Warrior monk, I will fight for
occult freedom, be it legal or other form. Prudence suggests,
having blessed this site, I retire from contribution.Good luck,
goodbye.
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Topic Enochian. posted by
Draconis343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 08:40 PM
Greetings PeeJay; I posted this observation, and so reply; Yes,
I do indeed get where you're coming from, therein. And I do ask,
my friend, where do we draw the line?
Topic Caution! posted by
pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:31 PM
Forgive me please for saying this but I feel occultists need to
be rather cautious today when throwing about terms such as
dangerous magic. Not only have we a vast society out there
based largely on Christian fundamentalist misinformation and
suppression of the occult in all its forms (Hello Reachout Trust
et al) but also a sensation seeking gutter media that just
loves to have Witch ate my baby stories to titillate their
dumbass readers with. Anyone know where I am coming from herein?
Topic RE: Enochian Language
posted by Draconae 343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 01:33 PM
Normally, in modern work, left to right; Dee & Kelly wrote
the names backwards as they are so very dangerous, It is as
effective and dangerous as goetic magic,and is really magic for
the Magister Templi to achieve.( A Mag.Temp. is an adept who has
crossed the abyss, his conciousness residing in the supernal.)As
I'm sure you realise, you must be trained to a high degree
indeed to attempt this, particularly the sex magick variations.
Good Luck.
Topic Enochian Language
posted by Amrit User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 09:56 AM
I'd be interested in peoples experience or thoughts on how the
Enochian language is written. Whether it's from left to right or
like Hebrew, right to left?
Thanks,
...and a big thank you to SA for creating this forum.
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Topic RE: * posted by
Puretongue User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 09:36 AM
I'd heard this was because, at the time the figure was worked
out, they hadn't realised the function of glial (sp?) cells, and
had previously thought them to be essentially, shock absorbers.
Topic RE: * posted by Herne
User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 07:38 PM
In fact most of our brain power is taken by our sight, the Human
race has the highest spectrum of colours, than any other living
creature.
I think it was said by a scientist that it takes 60%-70% of our
brain power to process all that information.
If you think on it, most computer games will take most of the
computers memory to process all graphics in the game.
You must remember our brains are like computers, just think of
all the programmes running in your head right now.
Your brain is running all your internal organs, remembering
thing you have to do at other times in the day and weeks a head,
and other skills you process, like reading, spelling and driving
are but a few.
I remember what an old fool said? The next thing to a genius is
madness.
Our minds can only take so much information before it breaks
down, technically a nervous breakdown, if you look most people
who consider themselves to be geniuses, some will have some sort
of mental illness, in thier life.
A mental illness can take a very long time to get over, and when
you do get over it, part of the illness never leaves you.
I know I been their, it took 14 years of my life, even though I
got over it, its presents is still their till the day I die.
Don`t mess with your brain, if you lose your sanity, technically
you lose your life.
Topic * posted by riceNpeas
User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 04:26 PM
A rumor thats done the rounds for the last few decades is we
only use *power. Robert Anton Wilson added the word potential in
front of brain power to break it open sum but i still find the
idea fenced in. Would anyone like to throw in there 2 cents?
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Topic Acceleration of knowlage
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 02:54 PM
Well i hope its better than the Millenium bug, that was all a
bit shite. I had a friend move to Somerset to be near his
parents whilst i danced it up at a house party in Hackney.
Bless, he did indulge in "vulgar marxism". Lol.
Wot does interest me is the experiments being conducted in
learning. 2 sets of mice, 1 maze. It takes the 1st set of mice
10 mins to learn the maze. and the second set of mice seem to
always learn the maze in a shorter space of time. They even
bread the mice and seperated them by "intellegance". the 1st set
of intellagent mice learn the maze and the stupid mice, again,
beat the time. This experiment has also been conducted with
monkeys on 2 neighboring islands and the same results occur.
Still the research goes on. Ofcoarse serious occultist will be
smiling at this time because once again science is playing catch
up but how does this relate to the 2012 eschew?
Well in some circles 2012 is when the doors of perception will
be flung open. When 1 of us lovely humans push the bounderies
they beat out a path for the rest to follow. When enough of us
have reached beyond our mechanistic living the rest follow with
ease. The alignments ect. could also work with a mass change in
consciensness as any one who has looked into magnetism and its
effects will realise. I am a working class guy with 14 weeks
Magickal study under my belt. At what other time in history
could i have learnt so much so quickley.
OK it all sounds a bit wacky and yes, i am having a bit of a
play by putting a positive twist to this thread, but seriosly.
Which model inspires and where will you be Dec 31st 2012 ???
RicenpeaS
Topic 20/21st Century
posted by Rex User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 03:57 PM
I don't know about 2012 but many people have made
apocalyptic
predictions and the like based on dates/years, always wrong
but certainly the World's history takes turns/phases, look
at
the last 100 years or so, not only Wars but the political
movements, alliances, awareness of the environment, and
change
in religious perspectives. The Wars themselves over the last
Century are horrific to think of, WW1, WW2, Korea,
Vietnam,
N.Ireland troubles, Falklands, Gulf 1 & 2, the 'rogue'
states
Libya, Iran, Syria, Cuba...Now the Vatican is behind so
many
Euro-States and recognised as a State in itself exerting
influence
and control. In Gibraltar last year: British 20p coin has
Virgin
Mary on reverse. Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism in our
cities, could you imagine that 20 years ago ?
Topic RE: 2012 posted by
ethericsoul User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 03:10 PM
It would be interesting to see what Denise or others at SA think
about this...I mean from the knowledge they have about the old
ways and wisdom, occult universe, do they have an extra insight
into this...'
I do know many that are saying they are sensing something, like
it's not the same as it was in the 1980's that as soon as we got
to late 1990's and passed 2000 everything seems different not
right, or as secure as they once felt. Some I know think we will
have world war 3, and then Ufo's will come and see us all off
and take over....I leave that open to debate, lol, as I like to
keep an open mind. But having said that I have to admit
something is not right...the world markets are collapsing,
government are controlling more than ever, and violence is
becoming more widespread, nation is rising against nation.
Yes is this because the media are doing it all I mean focusing
upon it, and for those of us in the Occult we know that the
outer world is but a reflection of our inner self and balance,
but we are also held to sway by fate and the planets. Many would
say if you focus on lack you get lack, but I can't help think
that in this case with world events that one can focus on
positive things, you know as within so without, but that the
events of the outer material world still flood in...'
Hope all that makes sense...I mean how much can we change
reality by magick, even though magick is a question of focus
which brings us into line with the synchcronicity we want to
happen, I cannot help but think no amount of magick can override
world events, government etc, though I believe government are
using magick themselves...'
Topic 2012 posted by ONU
(Draconuit) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 02:46 PM
In that case, I strongly suggest we all stay in bed.
Topic 2012 posted by
Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 10:25 PM
The Milky Way Galaxy is the inspiration for the symbol of the
Ouroboros. Myth refers to a serpent of light residing in the
heavens. The Milky Way is this serpent, and viewed at galactic
central point near sagittarius, this serpent eats its own tail.
The Milky Way galaxy keeps a great time cycle that ends in
catastrophic change. The sign of the SUNTELIA AION (the End of
the Age)is the sun rising out of the mouth of the ouroboros,
which will occur on the winter solstice December 2012.
Topic 2012 posted by
Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:59 PM
Also the sun will reverse its own magnetic poles during 2012 as
result of reaching the end of the current 11-year sunspot cycle.
While most 2012ers concentrate on the big things (supernova,
pole shift, everyone shifts to the nth dimension), perhaps a
microscopic bug could be the cause of our demise?
Doctors are running out of treatments for trauma victims
and critically ill patients because of infections from
drug resistant microbes even after resorting to
medicines thrown out 20 years ago because of severe side
effects, scientists are reporting.
Soon most, if not all, antibiotics will be ineffective, which is
a shame, because modern western medicine depends on them a whole
lot.
Unfortunately, our use of antibiotics to cause cattle to gain
weight, has back-fired on us. Gordon Gecko was wrong. Greed is
not good.
Topic 2012 posted by
Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:34 PM
December 21 Winter Solstice at 11:11 UTC.
December 21 The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, notably used
by the Maya civilization among others of pre-Columbian
Mesoamerica, completes its thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle since the
calendar's mythical starting point (equivalent to 3114 BC August
11 in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, according to the
"GMT-correlation" JDN= 584283).[8] The Long Count b'ak'tun date
of this starting point (13.0.0.0.0) is repeated, for the first
time in a span of approximately 5,125 solar years. The
significance of this period-ending to the pre-Columbian Maya
themselves is unclear, and there is an incomplete inscription
(Tortuguero Monument 6) that records this date. It is also to be
found carved on the walls of the Temple of Inscriptions in
Palenque, where it functions as a base date from which other
dates are computed. However, it is conjectured that this may
represent in the Maya belief system a transition from the
current Creation world into the next. ---To put it simply, 2012
is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual
transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret
the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long
Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the
most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major
change in world order.
Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major,
world-changing event will take place in 2012:
The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain
algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will
collide with the Earth.
Topic 2012 posted by
Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:23 PM
Headsapocalypse---2012 (MMXII) will be a leap year starting on
Sunday of the Gregorian calendar.January 31 433 Eros, the
second-largest Near Earth Object on record (size 13x13x33 km) is
expected to pass Earth at 0.1790 astronomical units (~26.8
million kilometers; ~16.6 million miles). NASA studied Eros with
the NEAR Shoemaker probe launched on 1996-02-17. June 6 Second
and last solar transit of the planet Venus of this century; the
next pair is predicted to occur in 2117 and 2125 (see Transit of
Venus, 2012).
November 28 Penumbral lunar eclipse.
December 3 Jupiter oppositions. Revelation... Apocalypse
approacheth!
Topic * posted by
HeadsAkimbo User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 10:59 PM
So then, anyone think anything significant will happen?
And why do I keep reading things on the net about 2012
intermingled with Christian belief - what`s it got to do with
them?
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Topic 2012 posted by
HeadsAkimbo User
posted on July 20, 2009 at 12:52 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Great Infoburst, does M cover this stuff in more detail in a
oexp etc?
It has always puzzled me why Christian types add the 2012 date
to their belief systems, I don`t see what it`s got to do with
them.
I would like to see more of his opinions on these kind of
things, I`d particularly like to know his thoughts on the old
hippy conspiracy of the Hemp for
fuel,clothing,medicine,paper,plastics,food and just about
everything else.
Also if anyone wants a giggle of the 2012 variety try youtube
for - I think it was called something like intergalactic
federation of light. - this incarnation of Akhenaten really has
let himself go a bit.
[INFOBURST: Hi Heads, Your right,the fundies always sieze upon
every date possible to create panic in themselves and others.
Marabas's OEXP60
The Millennium Lie and Mind Control explains the
psychology of End-Time and makes compelling reading particularly
in the light of the governments misuse of the Global Warming
myth to stampede the public into compliance with their wishes.
If you are interested in this kind of self-deception then you
should also read M's
Secrets
of Mind Control which is EXCELLENT. Also see the
SAFF website which Marabas
founded. BB Denise W.
]
Topic 21st Dec 2012 posted
by RGRE User
posted on June 13, 2009 at 02:36 AM
edited on June 30, 2009 at 03:36 PM
Could Marabas give us his idea or understanding of what he
thinks is going to happen on 21st Dec 2012? As it all seems very
serious and I would really appreciate his perspective.
Many Thanks
Rob
[INFOBURST: People who do not understand cosmic forces are
winding themselves up terribly with this so-called galactic
convergence and its supposed prophecy by the Mayan Calendar
which has in turn been worked on by those still in the thrall of
Christianity as some kind of Armageddon. The point is that this
flipping of the centre of gravity of the solar system is ALREADY
occurring and has been for many years. The cosmos is always
cyclic and those who think that During December 2012 it will
'throw a switch' and create an instant doomsday scenario do not
understand the way that Chi pervades the universe. They are just
the type of people to also sucker-in to the barmy idea of global
warming. All living and inanimate things have been adapting to
the changing gravitational force and the gradualness of the
process will mean it will be for most people hardly discernible.
There is expected to be strong sunspot activity the EMF from
which will subtly affect the fluids in our bodies - but not
dangerously more than we have already experienced during the
peaks of sunspot activity in earlier decades. This galactic
convergence is all part of an (nearly) eternal cycle so things
will happen much as they have done before. Maybe an increase in
the mutation of some genes or viruses but this goes on all the
time anyhow. Marabas says that the impending doom of Armageddon
type scares is a disguised projection of the inevitablity of
one's own death and results from insecurity of purpose. An
insecurity which any initiate who has experienced true magical
things knows to be false.
BB Denise W.]
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Topic 2nd hand tarot cards opinions ..tarot
course?? posted by Kimball User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 10:25 AM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Hello, I was wondering if anyone here had any opinions about
buying and using second hand tarot cards. I am also considering
taking a tarot course at a centre down the road from me (led by
a local spiritualist group). The deck thay require is the 'Rider
Waite' (even though I like the Thoth as well). They say the
learners will have to 'read cards' for the public to gain the
certificate and I'm all for that, it's what I want to
accomplish. When it comes to something like Tarot, is any kind
of education viable? For all I know it could be wonderful, but I
am slighly dubious. I'd like to get a certificate in tarot, but
after years of study of the subject on my own reading Qabbalah
books etc. I guess I'm afraid of what may happen if I go there
and it's a so called 'lightweight' course. thanks, Moon ps: This
is a great forum and I hope I did not offend anyone by asking
questions about A. Crowley. They were honest questions and I
know (by looking a the other posts) people here are very bright
and would give an honest opinion.
[Infoburst: If you buy a 2nd hand tarot deck you can't be sure
what psychometric vibrations they've contracted and should
always purify/cleanse them before use by fuming them in
Purification Incense B2002 and reconsecrating them for your own
purposes by using Marabas's
OEXP003
CONSECRATION CEREMONY FOR OBJECTS, PARAPHERNALIA AND PEOPLE
Then you can start out with your Tarot deck perfectly
psychically clean. This can be particularly important if you are
a 'white' magician/witch and have obtained a pack which,
unbeknownst to you may have been used in left hand path magic.
If this operation is beyond your capabilities then buying a new
pack is best
(See the Rider pack in our pricelist here)
BB Denise W. ]
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Topic Truth. posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Hiya, and higher,
I must tidy up with All due respect.
I've met a lot of Magicians.
Frater Marabus, is the single (as opposed to an entire lodge)
most powerful, Artful, Magician I've ever met. Like a Dragon, I
respect power. He is not vindictive, unjust or cruel.
With full respect, I say no more of Him.
I am as Thelemite as you'll ever find. My 'superior in the
order', is Frater Marabus, as I see it. Blessed be He.
AUM HA!
Topic New Aeon. posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Thanks for that, Rice, a ray of sunshine on a gloomy day for me,
we all have problems.
Fr. M has always been there for me, I knew that if I ever needed
serious advice, He's there. Stories:-) In '77, there were 2,000
magicians , high priests and novices, who'd gather at Stonehenge
for the summer solstice, then Glastonbury, the free festivals.
1980 was brilliant! I was sitting with a fellow my age, a
Magician: very impressive, in his trademark knee-length black
boots, black cape etc. when this older guy came and sat at our
fire, He said-"We've just done a working for you guys, behind
the (Sacred burial) mounds." It's always been like that, Rice,
"Lives of great men do remind us, we can make our lives sublime,
and departing leave behimd us, footprints in the sands of time"
(Hawkwind) 22,000 people turned up! The police gave up hassling
us, and it was front page news! I went to Glastonbury, then
hitched to a tee-pee tribe in the Welsh mountains. Man, I was
starving! A dear lady gave me some soup, (Bless you, wherever
you are!) when the bushes parted and a bald top head huge white
beard crashed through, followed by his wife, and a Brazilian
couple. My
Guru! Didn't even glance at me. I hopped, open mouthed after
him,
He said-"Where were you last weekend?" I, dumbstruck, thought
'Glastonbury' "Ah, Glastonbury" He said. An unsung Hero.
After 6 years of training me, He spent 18 months preparing, then
entered the death state. So, all that is was meant to be. A LOT
of effort by a lot of people. What surprised me was, things
happened in the early 90's, which I thought would happen around
2,020!
It's real good to see thimgs taking off, in my lifetime. Shame
E.H. My Guru, isn't around to see it, (Or is He???)!!!
Must go, Enjoy! Best Wishes, nome.......
Topic The Quickening.
posted by nome. User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 05:10 PM
Yes Brother, You understand.
It is very pleasing, to see.
M is V. important.
I wonder what your generation will do?
Very best wishes.
S.A.O.S Thelemite chapter.
Topic Acceleration of Knowlage
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 12:23 PM
For Noome.
A Ramsey Dukes "What I Did On My Holidays"
"After reading the "Devil" rides out we see an advert for the
Sorcerers Apprentice in Exchange and Mart and send off in
trepidation for a catalouge of amazing inscense and wierd
paraphinalia to read by tourchlight beneath the bedclothes with
chattering teeth - expecting hell-fire to blast us at any
moment. A few years later we have worked through WE Butler ,
Dion Fortune and plucked up the courage to read Crowley and are
ready to argue the phycological validity of Magickal techniques
with anyone."
From Ramsey Dukes "What i did on my holidays"
Times are changing Noome. The proces of stripping away the
Glamour is quickening leaving us free to indulge in Glamour at
Will. I wasnt even born when the S.A. opended its doors so to me
what came out of Burley Lodge is as important as Crowley or
Regardie works. The Bronze age didnt happen in three days nor
was it down to just 1 person. Your generation has spawned my
generation and so the cycles within cycles turn.
I would like to give thanks to all who met in Burley Lodge for
pushing us forwards that extra step.
Let no limitation, Be are only limitation.
Ricenpeas
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Topic RE: ACHEIVING ASTRAL PROJECTION
posted by Onu (Draconuit) User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 07:52 PM
Yes, at these levels, the Ka is independent, a higher state is
of being in all parts of the world simultaneously.
From that position one can visit a lodge in California as easily
as in your locol town/city, in U.K. To Astrally project, simply
Will it, at say, 12 noon, State to youelf that you are going to
astrally project that night, let that thought, enhanced by a
Ritual of intent, to strengthen proceedings,
roll through the day into the night Aethyr.
Surely it is a matter of pure willed intent, assuming the
neccessary prana is available.
When in trance state, try swinging your legs, as if in a swing,
you may well rock yourself out, Such adventure!
Topic RE: ACHEIVING ASTRAL PROJECTION
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 12:43 PM
The Raising of The Citadels in 1996-1997 set off the following:-
Having just got into be in pitch darkness I found myself lying
in the local greenbelt on the other side of the River Cole
looking up at the starry which were very clear and sharp I could
make out the constellation of Taurus the Bull and the Pleidies
very clearly and prominently. I stood up presumably in my astral
body but it felt very heavy and I felt sick and weak and felt
that I should walk up to the hospital but the more I tried to
walk to the hospital the heavier and weaker I felt. I then
started to spin around and around like a spinning top and
emerged through the ceiling of the bedroom that is also used for
my magical experiments. The whole room was lit up brilliantly so
all could be seen. In the North East of the room there was a
faceless figure in a dark Robe but did not feel menacing in any
way. I then woke to full consiousness In the Pitch Black Room
because the windows had been sealed to exclude the entry of
light and realised I had experienced a sponataneous projection.
Other experiences include walking by the River Rea along the
back of the bushes in Cannon Hill Park but more favourite and
more reoccurant walking down my long back garden at night
towards the big trees at the bottom and then having a tremendous
struggle trying to walk up and getting back into the house
again.
But what do these expereinces have in common?
I think micturation!
They are all places were one is likely to be caught short and
urinate!
and when I woke up I did which to go to the bathroom!
TRicking the mind and programming with the need that it must do
something at a certain time may be a clue to gaining controll
over AP.
As I am above the weight I should be I thought that the struggle
with being out of body was due to that but now I think it is
trying to move with ones legs rather than ones mind and will and
this may be a key to progress in the future.
Also stars: my rising sign is Saggittarius 10 degrees so the
stars on the Descendant would be Gemini and under the horizon
Taurus hense the stars I saw during my projection were the stars
close to the Descendant and I am just thinking that by
visualising the constellations around ones decendant one might
get a quicker transfer to ones double.
But thinking like an Ancient Egyptian perhaps the ka cannot move
far from the body unless a link to the body is provided in some
way like blood cells from the micturation process but transfer
to the higher level of the ba is necessary for total mobility
between the levels and to do this one needs to look upwards to
the heavens of the tuat to click to that level.
Topic RE: The fat can't fly!
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 11:55 AM
The reason I said that is because all of those that I know of
who are naturals for Astral Projection are almost cadevarically
thin. In all fairness I have to say that has only been a few.
Since the time of my last entry have had one spontaneous
experience and now I think that the difficulty may be that you
still think that you are in your body and try to move with your
everyday legs when in actuallity it it the mind and the will you
have to work with not the legs in that state!
Obviously you are a natural and have done it since early on.
Despite being interested in the occult since the age of twelve I
have had more of my fair share of the mirk and mire to cast off
and only now in middle life can develop the way I have always
wanted.
Topic RE: Any good Astral projection/Lucid
dreaming tips? posted by Karen User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 08:39 AM
Well...I've had periods of frequent lucid dreaming, followed by
long dry spells. I haven't done it in a while; and haven't
really found any good way to "induce" it. Different methods work
for different people, I guess; for me, either it happens or it
doesn't. My first lucid dreams, however, occurred shortly after
I moved to Seattle after living in Phoenix for a year. So maybe
what I need is a significant change in climate, or something
(LOL)...
Topic RE: Any good Astral projection/Lucid
dreaming tips? posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 05:38 PM
Marabas says Simplify, Simplify, Simplify. Why don't you do what
Salvador Dali used to do to get those amazing images of his from
the Astral? He clutched a coin in his hand, laid down and just
as he dropped off to sleep his hand would relax and he would
drop the coin, the dropping coin alerted him just sufficiently
for him to regain lucid dreaming consciousness and give control
over his visions. Some people put the coins on their eyes and
when they enter REM sleep they fall off in the same way. Try it
- I did when M told me about it and it works a treat. BB Denise
W.
Topic RE: Any good Astral projection/Lucid
dreaming tips? posted by StephenW User
posted on March 16, 2008 at 01:09 AM
One very useful technique that I have discovered by accident for
using a lucid dream as a starting point for attempting
astral/etheric projection is to select an object in your lucid
dream environment (e.g., if this is a bedroom scene then it can
be any suitable small object) and then imagine that it is being
slowly pulled towards you as if by an invisible string. The mere
act of imagining this will of course have the effect of moving
the (astral) object in that way. Only apparent motion takes
place in an astral environment as the scene shifts itself to
accomodate a RELATIVE motion between the object and your own
position in the lucid dream, and the force of imagination
expended and the currents set in motion sets up stresses which
have their effect on your astral/etheric envelope. This method
has the added advantage in that fear, tension and other
psychological factors will not be present as impediments as
would normally be the case if one were attempting to rise out of
the physical by any direct means. I have tried this myself and I
swear that it has a powerful effect in drawing the
astral/etheric further out of alignement with the physical.
Topic RE: The fat can't fly!
posted by RP User
posted on February 25, 2008 at 08:55 PM
Hey hey! Is this why fat people are being charged double for
their plane tickets? It is interesting that you say that fatties
are no good at AP; they could try bouncing like yogic flyer's or
try flapping their bingo wings!! Well I don't know if there are
any truths in these assertions but I think that you are right
when you say about thin people having better luck at it. I am by
no means overweight but when I was just a thin boy, AP was a
little easier: but I think I was more light headed and far more
sensitive and dizzy. Most systems of yoga advocate that we aim
to be on the lighter side but that does not necessarily mean
thin.
Conversely and speaking personally, I have noticed that my will
strengthened as I put on a little weight as well as my ability
to study.
Topic ACHEIVING ASTRAL PROJECTION
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 06:16 PM
From my own experience with the Aurum Solis System of Magic that
I experimented with during 1996 and 1997 regular practice or an
excersise like Raising of The Citadels along with the banishing
rituals will tend to after some regular practice cause
spontaneous OOBES but curiously, for some reason very thin or
underweight people appear to be the best at it. Heaviness seems
to impede progress in that arena.
Topic Any good Astral projection/Lucid
dreaming tips? posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 08, 2008 at 05:31 AM
Does anyone have any good or little known tips/knacks for astral
projection and/or lucid dreaming? - Please share, thankyou.
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Topic RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle
pillar posted by P.C. Dummy. User
posted on August 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM
This is really good, really, very good for all Aspirants to have
a looksee; quite a gem!
Beautiful imagery, Many thanks!!!
Best wishes ;)
Topic RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle
pillar posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 18, 2008 at 12:13 AM
;)
Topic RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle
pillar posted by P.C. Dummy. User
posted on August 17, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Great! Erm, wallpaper or tooth-paste?:)
Thanks, all the best.
Topic RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle
pillar posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Copy and paste to address bar???
Topic RE: Tribute to regardie The Middle
pillar posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 17, 2008 at 02:55 AM
Wot? Can't understand what to to do with this.
Best wishes.
Topic Tribute to regardie The Middle pillar
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 16, 2008 at 02:06 PM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=901218279
Topic RE: Aleister crowley: Great Beast
speaks audio posted by Paul User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 01:14 PM
Thanks for the link. :)
Topic RE: Aleister crowley: Great Beast
speaks audio posted by ricenpeas User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Thanks Annon
I recently brought the Golden Dawn audios by Isreal Regarsie
from Originalfalcon. Great stuff
Topic Aleister crowley: Great Beast speaks
audio posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 06, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Attention all Crowley fans:
Robert Anton Wilson has put the Great Beast Speaks audio CD
on his website as an MP3 download. Hear the actual voice of
Crowley on 11 tracks. downloads in about a minute !
http://www.rawilsonfans.com/downloads/Crowley.htm
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Topic The Anon one. A rely.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 30, 2008 at 03:08 AM
There you are! Aw, all that work and you want to destroy any
validity it might hold. Actually, for the benefit of The True.
My new, long awaited Time is just about ready. I had some spare
time, and noticing very little other than gossip, not all, dear
Brother/sisters, on this thread, tried to convey a little
fragment
of what Thelema means to me. A scrappy attempt, but for a few, a
little may be of some service. Thanks for your input Bryan, or
'anon' as you prefer, but really, I waited for hours, and you
didn't read what I wrote! However, to clarify, fully, as 'I' am
on a communal p.c.
my name is not written down, 'I' can dissapear, erase.
To address your comments, I met my Guru, Glorious! in'75, in 79,
I met the physical aspect, an old rogue, who had recieved the
word ;) He threw back his head, uttering THE signal. He spent
six years teaching me, I became an Adept in '81. He prepared and
entered stage 4 of our meditation,death. That in '87. After
devoting my life to the Great work,I prepare to finish my cycle.
One is simply a servant of the star and Snake. '88. I survived,
and
managed to reconstruct myself; '89. I considered Frater Marabus
my superior in the order. When my time came, I believed He was
there in Spirit, aiding me. Bryans comments: 'High' and
'mighty'. It is, to my mind,- :(not being a teacher,just
listening, giving opinion if possible/relevent:) of my
personality:- entirely
irrelevent as to how one is percieved. It was/is essential that
one performed the tasks, as a cell within the organism. I do not
want recognition, One has taken an oath, and aside from my good
witch friends, some male magicians, and all those who spend
their lives in Spiritual pusuit, The Point of being aware,i
think. Something about teaching kittens? Sorry mate, u lost me
at that point. I adore mature pussy's:) but confess, when push
comes to shove, One is a hardcore doggy lover;) O.T.O u say, I
like bits,:) dislike other bits,:( I agree with Crowley on
that,) I don't confuse the vehicle/man with the works He
produced, re: the point.
OTO:- One is not of that herd mentality, they do fine without
me:) u
mention the R.A.C. or somesuch. One really does not consider
this the right place to discuss their services. Seriously;) I've
learnt a lot in my time here. I'd lost my sense of humour, but
it's returning! The Simpsons are inspired! I've met some amazing
guys, and Denise, you are One, canny lady;) Hard job, I see why
you are Fr. M's scribe. No doubt I'd enjoy listening, and
talking with you.
Thanks, now, some goodbyes, and I must depart. OH! Don't believe
a word I've said, unless you have personal experience, please.
I hope I improved my communication skills at the end.
Light, Life, Love and librty to All.
Topic RE: Churchill and bus stops.
posted by A nonny mouse. User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 06:57 PM
Crowley/Thelema now second down on second page.
How, dear Sir, would you explain the '93' current, to a
neophyte, please.
Perhaps we could all benefit, a worthy reason to contribute.
Topic Churchill and bus stops.
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 06:49 PM
See page two, Crowley/Thelemism, at top of page. The other
articles are interesting,to my mind, too.
Topic Pardon? posted by A
Nonny mouse User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 06:44 PM
Sorry, have I missed something here? Unless there are pages so
old they're not available, but you've recorded them, I can find
no reference to anyone claiming to be oto or RAC, A A or
Churchill.
I read of solo working, and the simile repeated ad nauseum by
adepts world wide that the Guru appears when ready.
As a reasonable man, you may wish to carefully examine the
statements again, and, if you will, consider a motive other than
ego, the thing all true aspirants wish to discard. Thefore, why
bother commenting at all? The reason first given, perhaps?
Topic RE: Pliskin42's destiny.
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 03:42 PM
I do not believe that genuine OTO members would speak so openly
about the issues raised by this thread. Some of the information
that has been put around 'pundit fashion' is quite repugnant 'Oh
I am so high an mighty, while you little kitten need to learn
from me, the greatest ( Lol with false modesty!) of adepts!'
Self styled Thelema and massive ego's do not reflect the true 93
current.
Aspirants should beware of anyone who openly claims an OTO or
A..A.. membership, whether to show off or to score points
against other forum users. As is so often the case, those who
have the most to say often know the least. Anyone can bedazzle
the uninitiated with a dozen references to Crowley's works!!
Stop talking and start doing is a piece of good advice. Guru's
do not find people at the bus stop! Get on the bus and make the
journey to find one.
Topic Pliskin42's destiny.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 06:43 PM
Greetings Plisskin42, I'd rather hoped some one else would have
added their unique viewpoint, however; You seem to want your
cake and eat it too! Firstly, there was the O.T.O, offshoots
have developed,
As mentioned, The O.T.O. is much like The Freemason order, you
pay dues, join in ceremony, socialise. You are well looked
after, as
you merge. I cannot reveal current expected donation of excess
properties etc. as they may have changed, or no longer apply.
Once you are in, you're in.
As mentioned, The solo Thelemites are of a different ilk.
The solo Thelemite practices, studies alone, learning self
reliance. A good all rounder is Crowleys, 'Magick'. The
Soul of this type will eventually travel within other regions,
learning
from beings,of varying type, invoking Gods within these regions
of the psyche. One does learn a great deal, therefore, solo.
For The Solo Thelemite thus trained, the Guru now introduces
himself, at, say, a bus stop at Croyden. Bizarre? It could
happen.
And so, Brother, what is your choice? The O.T.O.? I recommend
the
original order. Or The solo path? Let's look at your number. 42,
Here, all is hotch potch, the life force is ego, the rushing
wind of thought whirling around, forming little dust devils of
thought.
Yet all is not without hope! For the 42 Gods and Goddesses of
jugement enter stage.I do NOT advise invoking these
Gods/Goddesses, at this stage, more experience is desirable. The
Happy ending,
to this simile. If you centre youself, you will find the
epicentre of the whirling wind, a tightly, closed in on itself,
Spiral.
This state of self realisation leads us to the High Priestess,
The 13th path, connecting Tiphareth, with Kether. : The Higher
self, or true soul, with God head. One might consider, The Holy
Guardian Angel Itself. Good luck, One hopes things go well for
you, from your declaration of readiness, Brother, I'd expect
you're in for quite an adventure!
Best wishes.
Topic The Thelemite system.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 02:40 PM
One must clarify previous comments:
The four Great Princes of Hell, are, in reality, most Holy
beings, who, rather than accept their due reward, choose to stay
until all of Humanity is enlightened. This is called the
Bhoddisattvic oath. (Their is a deeper level explanation, these
words are for the beginner, the curious, an explanation
intended to be understood easily.)The Princes control the
unpleasant inhabitants of hell, they, themselves, are not
'evil'.
However, there is no reason to bother them, until Adeptus point.
(To the 'wise': Iknow, I know: this can best be discussed on
higher plane terms, however, the beginner may find this concept
new, eye opening, put this simply. An attempt at clarity.)
Having studied Thelema for decades, I simply cannot accept
them as the work of a drug addled wastrel.
If we look at his works, we find (a) His diaries. (b)
Instructional works, I.E. Analytical works, such as Liber Aleph,
where dreams, moral stance etc. indicate the implementation of a
Utopean society. We, Humanity, can achieve this ideal state of
harmonious co-existence, one day. 'The only way to change the
world, is to change yourself.' (c) Holy Books. These were
transmitted from above the Abyss, beautiful love poetry unto
God.
These may be termed 'automatic writing' as a term readily
understandable. (d) Liber Al. This style of writing does not
read
like any other work He produced. His claim is that it was
dictated to Him by metaphysical intelligencia. It is so unusual,
that Crowley, then a devoted Bhuddist,
had great diffuculty accepting the instructions.
To the Beginner, I must say, please don't believe me; I only
truly believe that which I have personally experienced, although
you may consider my viewpoint as 'possibly useful.'
I believe it entirely feasable that, 'Gods' did appear to
Crowley, and issue orders concerning physical, and further, work
to be performed on the Earth plane.
Such an honour! Such a burden!
For those interested in study of Thelema; All available (I.E. in
print) works are available from S.A. Remember the legend of the
brass God, built with feet of clay? It fell over. So it is with
the foundation of the Temple. If the foundation is not solid,
neither is the chance of success. 'There ain't no such thing as
a free lunch.' There is a certain joy in planned physical work,
to
obtain the clean cash to buy an esoteric work, surely this
effort is the foundation of the book. The knowledge within?
Priceless!
If you can't afford £15-£20 for a decent book, can you not save
£5 per week? Do you enjoy beer? £2-£3 per pint? Why not forego a
couple of pints, know that you have earned your reward.
I may appear to be preaching, however, if you are to enter our
higher orders, you will be examined, thoroughly, in moral
correctness. A hint.
Best wishes to All, D.
Topic Uvray's comment.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 10:17 PM
I intended discussing a moral chicanery, however, having read
Uvray's comment, One is compelled to respond.
Dear Uvray, I have attempted to study your system, and have per-
-formed a core ritual. Have you studied the Thelemic system?
I agree entirely with Denises comments. Further, might one add
clarification as to our structure?
We are required (in order to pass a grade) to perfect our moral
training, righteous action, noble aspiration. Then we ascend
unto Tiphareth and union with the H.G.A. We accept and perfect
as able our
Humanity. Apon achieving union with the true soul of one's self,
One evokes The Four Great Princes of Hell, that they swear to
look up to, and respect the Adept, as one does look up to, and
respect,
One's God. It becomes apparent, at the first ascent unto Yesod,
that, as one does make acqaintance with the Angel of that
sphere,
one must take into consideration the complimentary opposite of
that sphere, the demon. By our art, each idea, dies in the
counterclasp of it's opposite, transmuting into one new element,
transcending the original two. To attempt further clarification:
Of those whose destiny require that they cross the upper Abyss,
it is said that, as the Adept does understand the universe in an
entirely different manner to previous conception, so do the
rules change again. In the Supernal sphere of Binah, a thing can
only be true, if it contains its own complimentary opposite
within itself.
Therefore, in strict control, as studied in morality, etc. One
at this sphere, is, as of cosmic law, in Binah, and master of
the corresponding qlippothic sphere, 3. The chosen Prophet of
certain
metaphysical intelligencia, transmitted, "my Adepts,have their
heads above the Heavens, their feet below the Hells."
I gather, in his workings, He would be equally at home in each
sphere. Why would He choose to wallow in the dark side of life,
I believe that was the image you projected? Brother, I
have no disagreement with satanism; Do what thou wilt, an
attunement with the inner self, to my mind, whatever the
(Reasonable)path, is surely a life well spent.
However, you mention prominently the vehicle's; Crowleys,
prediliction for, then legal, drugs. I do NOT condone the use of
drugs,Yet I do not understand why His private life preferences,
makes His works any less enlightening?
Oh, we weave a dark web to repel, to attract, to test.
Perhaps you would like to reply Uvray, I'm curious, I can't
grasp the humanity you seek, seriously brother, I want to
understand Satanism further, this time, from a person. I've
outlined our structure, Yours? Best wishes.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by ann B User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 09:01 PM
Hi Denise yes I agree the words were unfortunate but this tends
to be a soap box of mine. I have the Grimoires and play them
quite a lot though they are getting pretty scratchy now.
I have just begun to form a circle like to build it up with
trusted people.
I hope the recipient of the words I wrote wasnt too upset as
perhaps nuthouse doesnt have quite the same emotion to him
Take care everyone and keep learning
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Ann B User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 05:40 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM
UVRay, please oh please dont use the word nut house As a retired
RMN this word is totally abhorrent to me, these are human
beings, yes their dark side comes into view but they are
terribly unhappy misled people Drugs are of course a curse and
should be avoided if at possible but most start as children as
they try to live up to their peers and their often horrific home
life.
Be gracious to people with problems.
Aleister Crowley was a great magician a poet of great quality
and a deeply troubled person Also he was lost in his own image
that people gave to him. There is no proof he sacrficed animals
only his shock methods. Perhaps he did perhaps he didnt but
learn from his obvious mistakes It is hard to give up being
famous even if it is unpopular
[Infoburst: Hi Ann, UVRay's comments were unfortunate but
generalisations usually are. Actually Crowley did enter into his
diary two instances where he 'sacrificed' small animals in an
attempt to test out the claims of some ancient grimoires. These
experiments should not be misread as a proclivity for sacrifice,
rather the reverse. After realising that it was unnecessary he
to our knowledge never sacrificed any more. However as is the
usual way with the British sensationalist media these two
instances have been worked up into the 'fact' that he
continually sacrificed animals of all kinds - a complete
untruth. In reality Crowley's chapter on The Bloody Sacrifice in
'Magic' illustrates in metaphor that the only real 'sacrifice'
that is of use to magicians is a much more subtle release of
life-force that does not involve killing anything. BB Denise W.
]
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Topic O.T.O. posted by
Plisskin42 User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Does anyone have any information on the difference between
O.T.O. and Albion O.T.O.? The wikipedia entry does not refer to
Albion O.T.O. and the respective websites each do not - so far
as I can see - relate one to another. If I wanted to pursue
Thelema as a solitary practitioner but with the guidance of an
Order - what would be best?
Topic O.T.O.-Golden Dawn.
posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 02:33 AM
As has been pointed out to me, I should clarify that the first
order of Thelema, which The O.T.O. call the Golden Dawn is a
convenience, which may need to be changed.
The Thelemic G.D. is nothing to do with The original Golden
Dawn.
The Golden Dawn, after a period of dormancy has re-formed.
To avoid confusion, please consider the first order of Thelema
as The O.T.O.
I expect O.T.O. are pondering on this.
As I was initiated immediately into The Higher Orders, I have
little to do with these politics. Best Wishes to All.
Topic A.Crowley-The second Order.
posted by ONU. User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Greetings Brother/Sister. My idea was to explain, in terms the
semi-learned student could grasp, the Thelemic arts of sex
magick,
with copy-right as of S.A. as One has that authority, and Magick
must change with the times:- "The resistance to change is
intellectual death."
However Utopian the ideal, reading a post on 'S.A. suggestions',
displays the inadvisability of this.
This Art, practised for 12-18 months, is a 'higher'
experience,of absolute clarity, than a continuous pure
'cocaine+L.S.D.'experience,
(If you can imagine such a thing) a transcendent power which may
be given to others. It appears that A. Crowley's original
observation
still applies: "It seems inevitable that our greatest power,
will fall into enemy (Black brothers) hands. For ultimately, it
requires only concentration; and even the brute-man is able to
concentrate.
However, I would rather see a world governed by both black, and
white lodges, than the (Then) current innefectual wishy-washy
lack of order." However, I am not prepared to release such, into
this admirable forum, as undesirable, to my mind, elements
infiltrate. I have no right nor inclination, to block the path
even of the entirely black magician; I am not the cosmic
chef,and
do appreciate the existance of light/dark. It is rather the
half-
-hearted shell types; the parasitic obstacles to the average
Aspirant, which, as such, I shall not feed.
One is glad that One paused to consider these matters fully.
No doubt, I shall bequeth my secrets to the S.A. apon achieving
stage 4 of our Thelemite meditation;( Physical death.)Until
then;
Light, Life, Love and liberty to All.
Topic Crowley/Thelema.
posted by ONU (draconuit.) User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 05:45 PM
I note that this thread contains a lot of disinformation, sheer
confusion concerning this matter. Perhaps this may be of use to
some. Thelema consists of Three orders, The Ordo Templi
Orientis;
( O.T.O.)apparently descendents of The Knight Templars,formed in
1894, which soon accepted The Golden Dawn,currently The
Outermost: visible order of Thelema. They work much as The
Freemasons do, in
physical matters, implementing Aleister Crowleys Utopean style
life. The emphasis in this, the largest Order, is on achieving
knowledge and conversation of The Holy Guardian Angel, The
Atman,
The True inner soul of Man, The Will. One practices in Group
Ritual,
fraternises in Lodges,. The mainspring is Sex Magick, learnt
from The Knights. After rising through the grades of Astral
Mastery, Qabbalistic learning, and final moral instruction, One
does perform
the required techniques, overthrow the ego-self which limits,and
oppresses the true self, rescuing and awakening the princess,
one's own female self,(or vice versa), who then leads one,
through the Astral Planes to the edge of Space, this, as
textbook:- rising, if one be a musician,hearing the most
magnificent music imaginable, unto unity, as a Star, within, and
a part of infinite Mind-Space.
It is this revealing of The True self that constitutes Adeptus
Minor. For The xstian, this would seem to be 'The Goal', it is
rather, the beginning of a new adventure, as one is admitted to
The College of The Holy Ghost; The Order of The Rosy Cross,
where One does learn New Magick. One does not have to be in The
O.T.O to
achieve this, some people like working together, chatting, they
are, affectionately sheep. There are those who are goats, the
lonely mountain leapers, learning maverick self reliance through
Solo practice. Such a Person tends to be initiated by The Gods,
until The Fates introduce a Guru.
I shall consult as to whether it seems viable to continue this
outline; if yes, I shall carefully preview the learning within
The 2nd order, with physical examples.
Love, Light,Love and Liberty, to All.
Topic Crowley/Bush conspiracy theory stuff...
posted by David User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 03:13 PM
If you're bored, check out these couple of links, or just google
'Aleister Crowley, George Bush' etc... Wonder if there's
anything
to it ? The Barbara bush photo does look a bit like the one of
AC
in the top hat. hmmmmm? David.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=39&contentid=4506
Topic Last days of Aleister Crowley
posted by John User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Nice article I found reminiscing about Aleister Crowley's
latter days at Netherwood, hastings. Hope some of you
will like it too.
Best, John.
http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/articles/03/1001231.html
Topic Gematria. posted by
Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 04:26 AM
Greetings Denise, a huge apology if I have misused the great
knowledge of the ancients! I decided to rest from contribution,
as I was displeased at my recent entries; However,
Rectificiando: To put right that which is wrong: A person made
sarcastic comment on gematria,'Anon' may have been mocking,
and/or asking "what is this?" I replied with an interpretation
of the numbers quoted, my point being that which you have so
concisely, and precisely explained: What gematria is. I have
responded to "'93' to you," or suchlike; in fairness then, this
number is at the root of Thelema, Aleister Crowleys 'Religion'
(some consider it a philosophy.) It means The energies apparent
in the New Aeon. As I understand it, Marabus calls these 'New
Aeon Energies' without restriction to one Religion. In Thelema,
93 is a formula also. Anyone interested in studying this
further,e.g. Qabalah, will find all relevant information at S.A.
Happy New Age Energies, and a Happy New Year!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Denise W User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 01:01 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:17 PM
There is so much Gematria in this thread that it is becoming
obfuscated so here's the world's shortest primer on Gematria.
With this anyone can read the replies in this thread and get the
gist of what contributors are saying if not the actual concepts.
Gematria is a qabbalistic method of analysing the meanings,
symbolism and synchronicities connected with words which all
have the same 'root' number. All letters in ancient hebrew have
a number value and therefore all words by numerical reduction or
addition of their letter-numbers also produce cosmic root
numbers. When these root numbers coincide it indicates a special
relationship between the words and the things the words
denominate. These root numbers can be used by initiates instead
of words to convey certain cosmic concepts which would be
amgibuous in ordinary English. Gematria is considered an
essential method of extracting maximum meaning from ancient
Hebrew holy texts which are often allegorical and the words used
chosen originally by scribes to disguise the true messsage
initiates wanted to convey. It is particularly useful in
understanding The Word of God in the old testament.
Unfortunately of late gematra is being mis-used as a kind of
encryption system to exclude people not in the know. Naughty!
Anyone can work out the gematria of any ideas and words using
the qabbalistic techniques outlined in Regardie's Golden Dawn
but Crowley refined the technique further and produced a
Cabbalistic reference work called Liber 777 which is an
essential list of magical correspondences and also includes
Sepher Sephiroth, Crowley's own gematriacal dictionary where
most of the magical words used in his system are ready-converted
to gematriacal numbers and can be read straight off the page.
Liber 777 is available from the S.A. Goto
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm and scroll
down the page to Liber 777.
BB - Denise W.
Topic Crowley. posted by
Red Dragon User
posted on December 26, 2007 at 07:59 PM
Greetings. I do not usually drink alchohol, however at the time
of previous entries ,I was drunk; stupid, to the extreme.
What can be learnt? I shall post a new
Topic for debate.
May all attain.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 06:32 PM
TO DENISE-WEBMASTER-I can see no value in my previous three
postings to the site browser; seeker of Truth. Please simply
erase them as a waste of space, (if you will.)
Concerning my personal voyage of self discovery; THANKYOU! For
creating this site, Which introduced a fellow seeker; Al
156:THANKYOU!And a BIG 93!
Best wishes to All!
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Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 06:32 PM
TO DENISE-WEBMASTER-I can see no value in my previous three
postings to the site browser; seeker of Truth. Please simply
erase them as a waste of space, (if you will.)
Concerning my personal voyage of self discovery; THANKYOU! For
creating this site, Which introduced a fellow seeker; Al
156:THANKYOU!And a BIG 93!
Best wishes to All!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 06:36 AM
Al Babalon156- I owe you a big 'thankyou; I didn't know of the
Blake/Red dragon connection, I've just viewed the 3
paintings:Red Dragon and etc. The 4th; The number of the Beast
Glad I met You, 156. Light, Life,Love and Liberty, to Thee and
Thine!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 05:09 AM
Alannah Babalon156; Apologies, please disregard previous:
describe a painting?Describe a sunset! I looked up 'woman
clothed in sun' via a thelemic library; OH. And Red dragon; OH.
Hope you enjoy xmas, and a Big 93 to you!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 25, 2007 at 12:08 AM
Greetngs, again; I've read but fragments of Blake; I'm
fascinated; Red Dragon and woman clothed in Sun, can you please
point me to appropriate book, or, preferably explain the basics
on site? Why am 'I' Red Dragon? An inner revelation as to my
true nature, is coming; I don't object to this aspect going 'on
site,' if you don't mind explaining: If you feel( and I respect
your judgement,)that I should read this privately, cool, But I
feel like a child with an xmas pressie! Woman clothed in sun?
Please do tell!
Unto Our Lady: BABALON!156.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 11:34 PM
Thankyou; Your knowledge of Qabala, the basis of all medeival
magic, and your spell casting thereof is illuminating! 379?
Thankyou, 42dd; thanks, but done 42, double d? 2 daleths; hmm,
can't accept that one, right back at Ya! 417, many zeros, and
completion in one! Ah, brother, one day, one day, lovely thought
though. 93000, well, of course, inevitably! How refreshing to
converse with you, rather than a man intent on mocking that
which he cannot understand,the very reason our powers are veiled
in numbers, though 'evil' or 'good' can use them, if they have
the intelligence and will to learn; I'd rather see society
governed by 'black' and 'white' lodges, than fools whose
greatest contribution is to alert others to the very real need
not to succumb to qlippothic human impulse.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Sorry I assumed that possibly your moniker had been influenced
by the painting (The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed In
The Sun) by writer, painter and mystic William Blake.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 01:06 PM
Yeah great! I wish you 379, a 42dd a and 417000000000000001 r ??
Happy 93000
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 12:47 AM
Thankyou, Allanah Babalon156,that's nice. Actually I've
considered myself to be 'Red Dragon,' since chidhood, I saw
myself in '95,skrying , looking into a blank t.v screen,as a
smiley dragon. Blake? William? Would you be so kind as to
explain the connection,please? Happy 93!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 12:04 AM
Red Dragon (love the moniker by the way, a Blake fan per
chance?) your 93 sounds great from where Im sitting, and 93 back
to you. :-)
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 11:30 PM
Sorry, I should have written 'previous 'tosh' written, Allanah
Babalon156, Visitor, Denise,previously things were unbalanced in
favour of tittle tattle damnation, ignoring the fact that
Crowley travelled the world, gathering together fragmented
esoteric truth, and reformulating magic into the Magick which
underpins modern workings. Things are balancing out. As Allanah
Babalon156 would put it: A Big 93 To All! (Hope that's o.k, 156,
it sounds Good!)
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Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Red dragon User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Thankyou, Denise. It's good to hear some straight talk,
concerning the man. A natural occult/mystic by birth, life
moulded me into the 'perfect' Thelemite. (perfect? Ha!)I chose
age twelve to break out of the 'bubble' I was in; figuring that
the methods i planned on would mean I wouldn' live past 45.so I
studied Bhuddism, mescaline,(legal.) The Egyptian Gods, The
Etheric Planes, becoming a full Qabalist Magician; Not Enough! I
found Thelema, Thank IT! And it is my life, my humble
contribution to The Great work.I have read The booklet you
recommend, I found it concise realistic, a 'fair' descptive read
concerning Crowleys work. It is certainly a refreshing obective
'reality blast'compared to the (to my mind) 'tosh' written on
this page.Those interested in 'The Truth'concerning
Crowley,could certainly find a 'fair indication' in the
suggested work. Light,life,love and liberty; May All Attain.
P.s, I reached 45, the old 'me' died, leaving a more serene me,
alive and enjoying it!. AUM.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:45 PM
Hi Visitor
Thanks for the reply, Thelema means a helluva lot to me too, and
I owe a lot to it and to how its shaped me and my life. So a big
93 to you, and to everybody here have a merry christmas and all
the best for the forthcoming 2008! :-) May it be a magickal year
all round!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by visitor User
posted on December 22, 2007 at 06:43 PM
Hi, just visiting for the holidays, spent most time looking at
this site! I agree with you on all points here,Allanah, Thelema
is my 'Religion', but it's maybe diffucult to see, for many;
look at all the bad press on this page. I'm gonna have to quote
a passage! I keep thinking of, the verse of liber Al,c.1-v.10. I
looked at all those verses quoted on 'welcome' page,then it like
found its climax and finished! Do you know 'liber porta lucis'?
That sums up my thoughts on this. Yes, this religion has totally
served my needs, it suits me perfectly, but a load of people
can't stand it,choosing to point to the faults of the 'prophet',
rather than read the profound, Holy writings. As is their
'will'. I can tell you're well versed on it all, I hope you have
a full enriching life with Thelema. Watever your
Religion/philosophy, I wish One and All; Happy Holidays. I'll
looksee whats happening next year!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Denise User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 02:51 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Hi all, Just like to point out that when Crowley was taking
drugs they weren't illegal in the U.K.
at the time and MANY artistic and cultured people were
experimenting with mind altering
substances to see how far it would ehance their creativity. The
use of Absinthe, Cocaine and
Heroin was easy and widespread (far more than in the 1960s),
witness the creation by Conan
Doyle in 1981 of the fictional Sherlock Holmes complete with
regular Opium habit (albeit
frowned on for health reasons by Dr Watson!). Drug taking at
that time did not have the same
pejorative overtones that it evokes today so we should be
careful by what yardstick we judge.
Crowley was a dysfunctional middle-class hypocrite who would
probably not deign to speak to
most of the people who now follow his teachings, yet to try to
dislocate the innovations,
discoveries and syntheses he fostered from occultism today would
be impossible. It is a given
of the human condition that lives lived to the full always end
tragically so pointing this out in
Crowley's instance doesn't really help the debate and rather
misses the point of what these
geniuses sacrifice so the rest of us can learn. Crowley clearly
knew this which is presumably
why he chose the outer order name of Perdurabo - 'I endure'.
Anyone who has been fed the
'Wickedest Man In The World' anti-Crowley propaganda should read
Marabas's OEXP063
Crowley and Human Sacrifice Smear which you can download
instantly right now from http://
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm (scroll down the
page to OEXP063) because it is
probably the best overall research which blows apart the idea
that Crowley was some kind of
Black Magician.
BB, Denise Wadsworth, Scribe to Marabas
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by paa! User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 06:10 PM
The mumbling nonesense in 'Magick Without Tears' and the third
rate Thoth tarot deck are evidence only of his rapid decline.
Drugs and poverty destroyed the man.The important thing is not
to confuse the man with the message!As someone has already said,
he was a total wastrel but his contribution up until the age of
around forty is a sufficient legacy to have bequeathed to the
brethren. Apologist's for Crowley rarely do him any justice,
they just exaccerbate the existing confusion. A lot of people
like some of his stuff but not even - most - Thelemites like all
of it!!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Never met the man and so do not feel able to comment having only
opinions nth removed to base my view on.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:21 AM
The details of the man's life are irrelevant, its the legacy of
his works left behind that matters and thats what should be
judged. And that legacy of works is still being explored to this
day by various people in the occult field. Luciferians, chaos
magickians, Wicca, to name other groups working in the magickal
field have all been touched or influenced in some way by the
man, and have borrowed heavily as well. There's few very parts
of occultism which hasn't been touched by the influence of
Crowley, his shadow towers everywhere.
The drugs, et al are just another part of the story, and one
that even modern society misunderstands. Sure ol Uncle Al liked
his stuff, but why shouldn't he? Do What Thou Wilt, if it works
in harmony with your Will then why not?. This is a man who
utilised various substances in an effort to break down the
barriers between the mind and magick, to explore what connection
these substances would have under a spiritual basis of inquiry
rather than strictly a medicial way. Drugs may be a double-edged
sword of exploration but Crowley knew this and went for the
spiritual basis rather than just having a rare ole time under
some mind-altering substances (and also composed some
well-written and thought-provoking essays on drugs way before
Burroughs, Huxley etc, witness his essay on hashish, one of the
best ever written). His asthma unfortunately was taken care of
early in life with opium, one of the few drugs still known to
help the passageways of the lungs. So there's no doubt he'd have
problems later in life when the habit-forming workings of opium,
heroin etc weren't exactly well known at the time when it was
presecibed. As for Netherwood, the place of residence in his
latter years was far from a broken down old boarding house, in
fact the way it was regarded at the time was not of an inferior
place, quite the opposite.
If any proof of the man's genuis was needed in the latter years
(and the nonsense of him being a worn down old junkie at the
twilight of his existence put to bed for all), I give you The
Thoth Tarot, one of the finest decks ever brought into creation
with Lady Frieda Harris who's images to Crowley's instructions
still dazzle my eyes despite being a veteran of the deck. Filled
with qabalistic data, astrological, alchemical and other
knowledge painted on the cards, its a complicated deck to get to
grips with, but the sheer energy contained within the cards
slowly pulls one in. Also "Magick Without Tears", which despite
being judged as somehow simplistic, is still one of the few
serious books on beginning the work that a beginner can access
very easily. Written in the shape of letters to a student, the
book is a wonderful little collection of informational tidbits
regarding the differing avenues of magick.
He brought much more to the party of life than what he took
away.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 09:17 PM
Just because he was going through a drug induced bad time does
not mean Crowley was exploring the darkside - if anything the
darkside was exploring him
lvx
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 09:13 PM
But at least he was not a satanist
Topic Crowley posted by
NEMO User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 07:06 PM
One has to laugh. I am a Thelemite, high rank, this
disinformation concerning 'Our uncle Al,' was created
specifically so his detractors would long remember and revile
him, printing his works long after his transition(death.)Thank
you so much, his sacrifice was well worth it!
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NEMO User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 07:06 PM
One has to laugh. I am a Thelemite, high rank, this
disinformation concerning 'Our uncle Al,' was created
specifically so his detractors would long remember and revile
him, printing his works long after his transition(death.)Thank
you so much, his sacrifice was well worth it!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 06:37 PM
Exactly. Crowley was NOT a Satanist. We consider him a complete
and utter wastrel.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 05:10 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:31 AM
An erroneous discussion. Crowley was NOT a satanist - much of
the slander comes from the media and from Crowley's own
desperate antics, after he went bankrupt. He was incapable of
having employment and his only hope of continued existence ( in
the style to which he was accustomed! )was to prostitute himself
in order to scrounge off rich people.
Before he squandered his fortune, Crowley was a far more genuine
magician in what came to be the tradition of Golden Dawn Magick.
His own brand of Thelemic Magick is once again NOT satanic but
unofficial and uninitiated readers,groups,mavericks and
charlatans have labelled him as satanic for their own
misinformed and misguided ends.
Crowley was a great success but a great failure also.He was
tragically all too human.His writings have to be approached in
this way to avoid the pitfalls which have been alluded to in
previous postings but he was always a magician of the light even
if at times he found himself plunged into the pits of darkness -
but isn't that exactly what things like heroine and cocaine do
to people? Surely the example of drug use in our own time should
inform as well as caution us about what some people term the
dark side.In point of fact, yes we do have a dark side and part
of our journey is to rise above it ( the dark night of the soul
comes to mind here! ) not to immerse oneslf in it as if it were
the goal of magick as the satanists do!
Do What Thou Wilt
lvx
Well said Lvxmagician! - Denise W.]
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 12:12 PM
I do not suggest we should not confront our dark side. But we
must work pragmatically with it. Accepting it as part of our
nature does not excuse such practices as torturing animals, as
Crowley did.
As I said, in my opinion, a successful magician does not destroy
themselves and everyone around them as Crowley did. It is not
successful practice if you end up suicidal, in a nut house or
addles with Heroin as Crowley did.
As an ordained priest in The Church Of Satan I can tell you our
philosophy is centered on acceptance of man's true nature - not
on denial. But that does not mean we should act negatively
because of it. Human beings still have a responsibility to
themselves to forge ahead positively and productively in their
lives - this is the essence of vital existance - to bring
happiness into our lives; a happiness that is fundamentally
grounded in emancipation from herd modes of thought.
Scapegoating is what faith based religions do in excusing the
actions of wastrels. The successful magician accepts his dark
side and makes it work for him by positively.
It's quite evident that Crowley wasted his obvious talents. By
all means I think one might take something positive from his
endeavours - but to go down the same road as him would be total
failure.
.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 10:38 AM
I really cannot agree with all this bad attitude towards
Crowley! I first became interested in the occult at the age of
12 though did not begin to experiment until much later but even
at that age I had a strong instinct that Crowley was a peron of
great validity in magic and aquired the Thoth Tarot Deck at the
age of 13 which I still possess many years later. Ok yes he does
explore the dark side but remember we all have a dark side and
it is better to confront it and acknowlegde it and integrate it
rather than try to pretend that it does not exist. I have read
Book 4; Magick in Theory and Practice; Gems from the Equinox and
the Book of Thoth as well as his novel Moonchild and find him to
be one of the best and most brilliant occultists if not the best
and most brillant!
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 08:00 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:28 AM
Like most things, there are aspects of Crowley's philosophies,
ideas and practices that are of interest. But personally I think
he was, over-all, an idiot. The cruelty to animals is simply
inexcusable and is the kind of sadism that would suggest he had
serious psychological problems underlying his actions.
For all his efforts he ended up financially broke, friendless,
destitute and drug addled. He left a trail of destruction and
unhappiness in his wake for himself and everyone involved with
him.
Hardly the pinnacle of a successful magician.
In effect, I see Crowley as someone who never actually shed the
skin of Christian indoctrination. To all intents and purposes he
was actually heretical - rather than free of the shackles.
Heretics are actually more in bondage than anyone else.
"The Beast" monicker, if I am not mistaken, came from his mother
who labeled him as such as a child; the horrid little thing he
apparently was.
[Infoburst: That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater
UVRAY - you are not accounting for the excesses of Genius.
Crowley 'sacrificed' his life in a welter of magical extremis.
Some of these experiments had to have had a negative effect. I
agree with you, his character WAS appalling and he was anally
retentive. On one hand he was a product of the British class
sytem and would probably not have given house room to 90 of the
people who now follow his philosophies, yet at the same time he
was an absolutely brilliant magician and attempted to reorganise
and concatenate the entire spiritual and magical development of
humankind into one sacred magical and philosophical method. The
astounding thing is that he actually achieved most of this
ambition. His influence on the modern magical revial is
unsurpassed. As for ending up a wizened drug-soaked tragic
figure; well, that is part of the Human Condition and we will
all join him there eventually! Crowley was many things but
'idiot' wasn't one of them. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Aleister Crowley
posted by nimmo User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 12:30 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:17 AM
Greetings to all on the Forum. Regards Aleister Crowley, I have
several of his books and enjoy them very
much but some aspects of his life are rather
off-putting, eg: 1. He writes about sacrificing animals in some
of his works, killing pigeons at each point of the magickal
triangle comes to mind, as does crucifying a frog. There is also
the story about the scarlet woman and the goat (bestiality) in
some biographies. Where did Crowley learn that killing animals
would help his magick ? (from grimoires, or the Golden Dawn, or
Monotheist religions)..I see rather sadly that the
OTO American website says it does not condemn animal sacrifice
as it is an ancient religious tradition. 2. What were Crowley's
motivations for calling himself the Beast 666 if not for shock
value ? It seems rather infantile like teenage rebellion lasting
into adulthood.
That 666 might have been some Solar/Qabalistic number might be
plausible, but tagging the word Beast onto it makes it seem
rather silly.
Any ideas on these subjects would be greatly appreciated.
Regards, John.
[Infoburst. According to John Symmonds (Crowley's biographer -
"The Great Beast")it was Crowley's MOTHER who termed AC 'The
Beast 666'.
She was presumably offended by AC's impiety. Ever the one to
shock, Crowley adopted it. Crowley did not advocate killing
animals - but he experimented with doing it to find out whether
the old and traditional sacrifices outined in many grimoires and
religious tracts (Orthodox Christians still sacrifice lambs at
Easter for instance) were of any value - they werent and so he
found another method which avoided it. Sounds like you would
definitely benefit from reading Marabas's
OEXP63 on Crowley and Sacrifice.
You can download it instantly right now from here.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm Click on this
link and scroll down to oexp063. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic Alex Sanders Qabalistic Cross
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 23, 2010 at 11:57 PM
edited on April 01, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Hiya
I heard a cd with Alex Sander's doing the Qabalistic Cross. At
the beginning he spoke what sounds like "Keteena" also he seemed
to do the ritual in a different way than I have come across.
Anyone have any info on this?
Thanks
[INFOBURST: I think the recording you are referring to is 'A
Witch is Born' which was a revolutionary offering in Sanders'
heyday. Alex Sanders was a product of his time and his system,
(later termed Alexandrian Magic and unjustly benefitting from
beginners confusing the name Alex with that influential centre
of classical occult philosophy and learning at Alexandria in
Egypt!) was somewhat of an hotch-potch of occult ideas. Marabas
always criticised Sanders for mixing symbology and ceremonial
from monotheism and pantheism. For example his magical system
borrows heavily from The Key of Solomon grimoire (a monotheist
magical manual) yet is supposed to be pagan! Similarly his use
of the kabbalistic Rose Cross Rite sits at odds with the pagan
cosmos. I cannot remember the exact wording of A Witch is Born
but I wouldn't consider it to be a purist introduction to either
Qabbalism or Paganism. Sanders did some really stupid things to
get publicity in the 1970s which brought the Craft into
disrepute but exonerated himself somewhat later. Marabas says he
was more of a show-man than a shaman.
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posted by John User
posted on June 18, 2009 at 10:05 AM
The World's Tragedy, available at the following link
with some extracts below quoting the 'Holy Trinity'
for those with an interest in why Crowley was so
anti Christian read the preface which explains his
religious upbringing and having to still tolerate
'Cold boiled Jesus' into adulthood.
Hope this will be reprinted again soon...John
http://www.io.com/~secret/oto.org/collected-works/worlds-tragedy.html
THE VULTURE:
Yaugh Waugh!
Butch! this is terrible
That all these people should be happy -- Pss! --
Without a thought of Me!
Ga! Ga! the plague
Rot them in hell!
Cramp! Ague! Pox! Gout! Stone -- Hoo!
What shall I do to stop it?
It's sin -- sin -- sin. I hate them. Oog!
I want them to go groaning
Over imaginary ills
With white eyes twisted up to Me,
Where I sit and croak
And snarl! Ugh! Faugh!
I'm Yaugh Waugh!
I'm Yaugh Waugh!
Ga! Oa! Hoo! Hoo!
Scratch!
I must invent a plan
To ruin all this gladness.
Ha! Plup! I have it.
There's nothing here
That would accept my favours --
Uck! Bulch! --
So I'll abuse myself to chaos
And see what comes of it.
Ha -- Ba! Ha -- Ba!
Ab -- ab -- ab --ab -- ab!
Utch -- what is this?
Coagulated yolk of the addled egg
Of chaos! Hatch it out!
That's why I AM. Hoo -- hoo -- hoo -- hoo -- hoo!
Oh! -- now the white of the old egg is curled
Into a ragged fleece.
Ga! Ga! I've got a son:
What will it be?
O heaven -- a lamb!
I'm Yaugh Waugh, Yaugh Waugh.
I'll call it Yaugh Shaugh Waugh.
Good! Can you talk,
First born? -- I'll never have another,
I'm Yaugh Waugh, Yaugh Waugh.
Bow to me, you lumpy lambkin!
Haw! Haw! Haw!
Now at last a wooden thing
That will do my business for me.
Uck! Uck! The morning's carrion
Bubbles in my paunch.
I am belching dreadfully.
What? Uck? Uck? How strange!
For the windy vomit of me
Shapes itself into a sorry
And bedraggled pigeon.
Birdie, have you got religion?
Yes, he bows most properly.
Come then, let us take our counsel
How to stop this sad behaviour,
This gross impropriety,
Irreligion -- Uck! it's awful.
Squat, then! Pigeon, you're the youngest:
You speak first.
THE DOVE:
Almighty father!
I have magnificent
And sublime and noble scheme.
Listen! I will find a woman --
THE VULTURE:
Oh! you dirty-minded rascal!
THE DOVE:
Wait a moment -- I will do it.
Find a virgin -- if I can,
And on her beget this lambkin
In the image of a man.
THE VULTURE:
That seems complicated, pigeon.
We've the lamb begotten here.
THE DOVE:
Yes, I know; it seems absurd;
But in practice I am certain
It will work out splendidly.
THE VULTURE:
Well, proceed!
THE DOVE:
Of course I will;
I'm accustomed to "proceeding."
Let the lamb grow up to manhood
Then we'll have him whipped and tortured
And eventually killed.
THE VULTURE:
That sounds lovely.
THE LAMB:
Do you think so??
I record my vote against it.
THE DOVE:
Stupid! in a day or so
We will have you rise again.
THE LAMB:
Really! I may be a dullard;
But I cannot see the point
Of this most elaborate nonsense.
THE DOVE:
Well, you will. We'll make a rule
That anyone who disbelieves it
Shall be strictly prosecuted
-- With the utmost rigour
Of the majesty of law.
THE LAMB:
And if any fool believes it --
THE DOVE:
He shall come to live with Us.
What a privilege!
THE VULTURE:
Provided
He observe propriety,
Never laugh, never dance,
Never do the dreadful thing!
THE DOVE
Precisely so!
Topic Mercata posted by
AnnB User
posted on May 07, 2009 at 02:58 PM
Endor Macata as you see I have feeling a lot better now and how
on earth am I protect myself from people who dont read things
properly not once had I said he was evil he is never portrayed
as evil in eith of these novels I read or in the Scarifiers. In
this show he tends to be a nice quiet eccentric person who helps
the good guys fight the bad.I have been a witch for more years
than I can remember with a special protecting from the wizard
Mazkuth who I knew very well.If I keep on being attacked for
trying to help and probably because Im elderly I will resign
from this forum with great reluctance Having connected with
Denise and others who are very knowledgable
Topic Aleister Crowley
posted by AnnB User
posted on May 07, 2009 at 02:47 PM
There are plenty of books re Mr.Crowley the fact he was a free
mason is well,in my library (very small) they have a new book
about him but the bigger libraries are better for selection I do
have his Magick Book and read a biography about him he is a very
interesting man because no one knows the truth about him History
tends to go round corcers for instance Richard 1 LionHeart hero
and all round good egg was never in this Country so poor old
Robin Hood never got his pardon.This is a light comparison about
a man who revelled in being called Evil, if he hadnt done so
perhaps he would have faded away like many of the Golden Dawn
names of the day. Now please dont write to say Im against him
just trying to put it into its text For all of that he is a
really interesting man.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley Evil
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 08:48 PM
Sorry Anne if my comunication is poor, Im teaching myselves to
write (not always with success). My comments were directed at
the title of this thread not any one post in particualer. My
point, which i'm sure you'll agree is, just because someones
charicter may not gel with our own does not in any way discredit
there work. Jim Morrison springs to mind! But also i point
towards the possability that Crowleys charicter can not be
pinned down on account of him being a Magician.
Smles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley Evil
posted by AnnB User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 04:41 PM
I meant to put this on the end of last message
In order for the light to shine so brightly
The darkness must be there
AnnB
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley Evil
posted by AnnB User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 04:31 PM
I was critising Aleister Crowley but just pointing out how his
name is always popping up in literature. These two books were
pure fiction based on actual people who had lived.
I have read all his work. and have his Grimoires on tape so how
can I not be a believer in what he states.Have never denied this
if you took the trouble to read further down you would see I
mentioned he was in the Scarifiers as a help to Professor
Dunning.A novel of fiction again The are good books to read
perhaps for escapism Also I have never claimed that he was evil
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley Evil. Lol
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on March 18, 2009 at 05:53 PM
I met a Feminist once who hated Einstien because she says "he
was a bastard womaniser", but she wasnt arrogant enough to
dissmiss E=MC2!!! Seriously now.. judge him for yourself on his
many styles of works and not the relative position of someone
elses experiences.
Ricenpeas
Topic Aleister Crowley Evil
posted by endor mocata User
posted on March 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM
No definitely not! There has been so much evil lies said about
Crowley! The Great Beast was inspired by the Book of Revelation
but he knew of course that there was much in organized religion
which enslaves people the devil was invented by the priests to
create fear in the minds of people so that they could be more
readily controlled by the temporal power of the priests in
effect sqashing all the magical potential out of them like flies
splattered on a window. (If a spirit tells you its the devil
suspect it might be the evil spirit of a dead priest). Aleister
Crowley is one of the greatest adepts and it is best to regard
the Great Beast as a Lion of Light (remember his horoscope has
Uranus in Leo in the first house) as thus he is a liberator of
the souls through his magical teachings. Years ago I got the
Thoth Tarot along with the book of Thoth it is very advanced and
requires in depth knowledge of the Kabbalah in the Western
Esoteric Tradition and the inner meaning ot Thelemite Jargon
which is easily misiterpreted by the shortsighed in a negative
light. To get a clear understanding of Thelema Jargon I can
highly recommend a marvelous book by Lon Milo DuQuette
Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot in conjunction with
reading the Book of Thoth. Read Crowley's Poem One Star In Sight
that should make evident what Crowley was really about. Also the
secrets of Mind Control form SA willdo much to throw of the
final shackles of our indoctrination and make our problems with
the establisment very clear and Oexp 63 for SA. People should
grow up it would be nice not to see any mor crap vilifying
Crowley's name. As years go on his greatness will become even
more evident.
Topic Aleister Crowley
posted by AnnB User
posted on December 19, 2008 at 06:33 PM
Up he rears again in two books I have read recently in the 1st
he is very apparent alongside the author and perhaps Satanist
Dennis Wheatley who knows I have long wished to ask my Aunt as
she worked with him in the War but I know the reply I would most
probably get so will not take a chance anyway he is very
involved in the first story and is indeed quite magical.
The books are by F G Cottam
1st book The House of Lost Souls
2nd book I peronally preferred Dark Echo about a haunted ship
very scary and utterly brilliant. If you read them at all let me
know what you think.
See you all well and thriving in the New Year
Many Blessings.
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by AnnB User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 09:15 PM
Hannah no its not really a tree but its a way to describe it
If you manage to imagine a flat piece of line which dips down
into a form of ditch and then up again until flat again
Much like a valley perhaps thats a bit better description of
1st grief bereavement down into depression anger then acceptance
Ive probably confuse you more but as my family always say thats
the one thing Im really good at
Take Care Dear and Blessings
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posted by Hannah User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 11:21 AM
what is "The Tree of Life" in Psychiatry please?
Are you referring to the Kabbalistic Tree?
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by AnnB User
posted on October 05, 2008 at 05:43 PM
Hi Paul I do hope you enjoy them. It will leave poor Crowley
alone for a while talking about something else.
I hope you get to be happier just follow the tree of life as
used in pyschiatry to let people see that when youre down the
only way is up again anger depression hope acceptance its all
there and works in time.Meditate listen to music I have one to
play when my back is really bad its called Gentle Rain all it is
is the sound of rain and birds another one is the sound of the
sea just like soft angry
I think I may be waffling as the morphine has been highered
so will sign off now Many blessings and happy times
A
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posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Dear Anne B,
THANKYOU!
I don't understand most 'ordinary' humour, I have the feeling
I'm in for a treat!
I need to laugh again!
Blessings,
Serenity-One<>All
888
Topic RE: Aleister Crowley
posted by AnnB User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Hello yes its on Sunday @ 6 for half an hour the second story
started last week so it will be on the website for the week
perhaps it would be better to hear this episode first so you
know whats happening? also try Brightonmaconimom? on Sat
starring David Warner if anything this is weider than scarifiers
great fun
I sit in bed alone giggling if seen will be appearing at the
local hospital five minutes up the road, where Im well known
having donre my stint up there before moving to work in a drug
clinic in London
Take Care and enjoy
AnnB Many blessings to everyone Special hugs to Denise a great
girl
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posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 02:17 AM
Dear Anne B.
Greetings, hope you're well.
The series you mention:- The Scarifiers, sounds a hoot!
I've found BBC 7, would you be so kind as to tell me, on
which day, at which time this series is broadcast?
Hope so!
Many thanks, in advance,
Serenity-One>All
888
Topic Confessions of Aleister Crowley
posted by Alex User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 07:31 PM
I'd recommend reading Crowley's own autobiography, or
autohagiography (biography of a saint !) before any
other bio of the man. He is totally down to earth in it
and explains the bad press he got in a conversational
style. It is also a great look at all his adventures, not
only Magick, and often hilarious to boot (the haggis hunting
episode at Boleskine, etc). - Alex
Topic RE: Crowley, evil?
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 11:55 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM
many many thanks for such a greal explanation........really
helpful and yes, it does matter id theywere lovers, as it
explains the man in opart and I am an avid admirer of Regardie
and also wish to better understand his works.........know the
man....know his works.........
[Infoburst: If you want some more clarity see
Marabas's
OEXP063 Aleister Crowley and the Human Sacrifice Smear -
it has a true perspective of how the British Establishment
demonised him to try to undermine his message. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Crowley, evil?
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 02:58 AM
Hi,
No, I really don't think so. He actually had a very strong sense
of humour: Unfortunately, He grossly overestimated the
intelligence of the average man; so He'd crack a joke to the
press, who didn't have a clue.....Whoops!
However 'There aint no such thing as bad publicity'. He ensured
that His works remained remained in print, even if to vilify the
man!
In His own words, as memory serves:-" I must weave a dark
spiders web around myself." The 'web' is full of blinds, double,
even quadruple meanings. To comprehend 'Thelemism' the Religion
He founded,, One should have a grasp of Qabballah,
Bhuddist-Hindu yoga techniques, and a knowledge of the
procession of Egyptian Gods. I was at a loss as to the next
stage, until I found Thelema, though I suspect it found me, was
waiting, even! Why the scary facade? Firstly, to scare off the
unworthy;' evil to him who sees evil'.
Further, if an evil man misunderstands His work, the blinds
protect the sacred mysteries, (but not the evil man!) Lastly,(?)
the earnest seeker must be brave, to fathom the truth of it all.
Crowley was a western occultist, very different to the Eastern
mystic, though like so many occultists, his early years were
mystic, to a degree.
The mystic attitude is 'life is sorrow, so I'll ignore it.' He
sort of cuts himself off from the waist down, thereby validating
the demon. He also dosn't care as to the nature of the phenomena
he encounters, as long as he gets results.
The Western mind, explores his nature, accepting and transmuting
it into as perfect a form as he can. He investigates,
scientifically.- It might be pretty hard to get fun out of
existance, but it's not impossible! I like 'Uncle Al's' comment
concerning the mystic attitude as:-" Yah boo, foxes shall go
brushless!."
He means that, treated sensibly, One can enjoy the beauty One is
endowed with. I, for instance, do not deny the tendancies of my
nature, locking them up in a cell in my subconcious; would they
not fester and erupt someday? I try, to transmute my tendancies
into a goodly form. If a part of my nature can be likened to a
wild stallion, rather than build a fence against it, I train
that nature into a good riding horse. One must distinguish,
however, between One's personal tendancies, and those imprinted
by events in One's life.
Crowley's 'wickedest man in the world' title, is pretty standard
behaviour for a Blue Peter presenter, nowadays!
Well, I hope this gives some food for thought to some.
Serenity-One>All
888
Topic Aleister Crowley
posted by AnnB User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 08:15 PM
It is of no importance if these two men were lovers they are
hardly the only people it makes no difference to the their
ideals or practices. There is a very good book about Crowley
(cant remember the title) where Crowley tells his tale, believe
it or not is up to you He is a very interestin man as his tapes
reveal. I listen to them quite a lot.Your take on him he leaves
entirely up to you.
But there is also a brilliant series on BBC7 called the
Scarifiers with Inspector Lionheart and Inspector Dunning,In it
Aleister Crowley is hilarious completely off the wall.So perhaps
the author of theselittle stories knew him quite well to take
such a liberty
Topic Alistair Crowley was evil?
posted by luck9 User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:32 AM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 02:17 PM
Though I admire him in some ways, I have read so much negative
stuff ref him and Israel Regardie...I don't know what to think!
How do you guys find Crowley/Regardie?
Is it true they were lovers?
[Infoburst: Does it matter? BB Denise W.]
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hiya
Thank you for this information it has made it all the more clear
for me now.
Topic Altar Direction Witchcraft
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on February 15, 2010 at 10:08 PM
edited on February 16, 2010 at 01:28 PM
I am a bit confused with the Altar Direction within Witchcraft,
some say North others say East, and then for rituals of
Banishment, in the West.
[Infoburst: Greetings ethericsoul. What you have to remember is
that much of modern witchcraft is promulgated by people who do
not fully understand that of which they speak and many similar
written inconsistences have crept in to Wiccan worship due to an
indiscriminate pick-and-mix of quite separate traditions.
Marabas teaches that people who follow the Old Religion in the
British Isles (Witchcraft)use the Norse Pantheon of Gods who
reside in the North and the altar is therefore placed in the
North to honour them. In the classical Pagan Mystery Religions
of the Mediterranean area which are usually developments of
sun-god worship the Altar is normally placed in the East for
that is where Sol rises. The tatvic tides run East to West with
the apparent direction of the sun therefore in magical systems
using a Sun God, (E.G. Ra, Mithras, Apollo, Zorostrianism etc )
one would banish to the West. Of course if you live in the
southern Hemisphere this all changes and is particularly
confusing in Oz but I assume you are based in the Northern
Hemisphere and would benefit from studying the
S.A.'s legendary Occult Year Planner for background on when,
where and how to work your rites. properly. BB Denise W. ]
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posted by windymiller User
posted on October 11, 2008 at 10:05 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Just seen it on ebay. Sheer class! Just love the music that goes
with it!! :-))
[Infoburst: Nothing to do with the S.A. I hasten to add - though
Marabas did once posit the idea of a selection of cookie cutters
in the silhouettes of the Illuminati (joke!) BB Denise W. ]
Topic A MIRACLE!!! posted
by 888 User
posted on October 11, 2008 at 07:04 PM
THE SECOND COMING?
Writes Bez-----ek, displaying a photograph,
clearly showing A. Crowley's face, on a piece of toast!
This priceless artifact has a current bid of £4.24, postage is
free, and may be obtained from ' H--l, Yorkshire.':-)
(JOKE!)
'Tis The night before Crowleymas! Tomorrow, Thelemites celebrate
the birth of Aleistair Crowley, born 12/10/1875.
Traditionally a day of JOKES, and frivolity! As Thelema by
nature does not distinguish between religions, (they all say a
bit of the same thing), why not celebrate the advances made over
the 20th
century, giving us the freedom we enjoy today!
Why not Feast, Rejoice! And play jokes, not too wicked! :-)
Fun, Frivolity and feasting>One<>ALL
888
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posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 06:34 AM
I am not sufficiently studied in the subject to discuss the
subject in depth but if you haven't read it, I do think you
would find The Occult Arts Of Ancient Egypt by Bernard Bromage
hugely interesting. I know I did. The book is out of print now
but you can track copies down online quite often it seems. Very
entertaining book.
Topic Ancient Egyptian Funerary Magic
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 22, 2007 at 09:41 AM
Are there any serious magical aspirants who are interested in
discussing Ancient Egyptian Funerary Magic. A few years ago I
had the good fortune to study for a degree in Egyptology and
Ancient History. Before going to university most of my knowledge
of Egyptian Religion came from the works of Wallis Budge. The
lady who I studied with at university however thought that to
many people into th occult relied exclusivlely upon his works
and make him into a sort of cult figure while now more up to
date research has clarified much and ironed out many of the
errors. She thought that Wallis Budge should only be read after
a more thorough grounding in works like those of Taylor and
Faulkoner. After studying the modules I was apt to agree with
her.
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Topic RE: Conciet. posted
by BABALONUIT888 User
posted on September 22, 2008 at 09:21 AM
Dear One and All,
Blimey Charlie, what a kerfuffle! I was in a foul mood that
night, no doubt. However, I'd rather hoped for a sensible,
merciless if need be, opposing viewpoint, apon which a valid
structure of debate could be erected. Yet, they really are the
transparent 'chaps' they seemed to be. Astonishingly puerile. I
apologise for saying that, yet is the simplest abstraction to
hand.
Men, even the intellectual, do enjoy a good 'tussle', though the
attitude should surely be, to, metaphorically, after conclusion,
help one's opponent up, wipe a bloodied nose, shake hands and
form a bond! 'Tis in the nature of the beast. I surely didn't
expect that, to my mind, very odd, retort. Can't flaw Denises
thinking, as ever. Well, a brief visit, my new Rituals are
coming along well, am interested in chaosphere c.d, if any left
in New Year. Myself, I've found things as:-Mankind, approaching
critical mass, is making its way to the abyss, en masse:-The old
magic, good for backbone, simply dosn't work with root New Aeon
energies. Chaos Magick, interestingly might.
Sorry for kerfuffle. Must work.
YITGW, serenity-One>All. 888
Topic RE: Conciet. posted
by Outraged of Kensington! User
posted on September 22, 2008 at 08:48 AM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 02:11 PM
He didn't do that do did he that do? Well he shouldn't!
I know HIS sort, a simple foot-soldier of a dual faceted
Supernal Goddess, exposing the phallusies of decent chaps who
use words like 'metaphysical' and 'abstruse', even when theyre
NOT trying to get a job! Probably the same chap at my local last
night, talking loudly about 26 yr. old bronzed Mexican ladies,
and golden showers, causing me a most unfortunate trouser
incident! Occultism? I've got four books! And I've read them!
Yes, He jolly well should be cut down in flames, He'd probably
be speechless! Then He'd know that true speech is silence--
Furthermore, His remains should be hurled into the void. But
'His sort' He'd be back, re-inventing himself, muttering about
'The silence within silence, of which, the reflected echoe is
manifestation' or some sort of tosh. I shall be writing letters
to someone! Anyone heard of Mexican ladies and
chilled champagne? Yours, Indignant, yet not knowing why, E.
Goatist.
[Infoburst: Look, OutrangedOfKensington, StephenW said if you
wanted a cogent reply from him you had to ask NICELY. Then
again, I have yet to be convinced that Niceness is not the
refuge of scoundrels. Come ON StephenW are you up to the
challenge? BB Denise W ]
Topic RE: Conciet. posted
by StephenW User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 02:57 PM
edited on September 19, 2008 at 03:52 PM
You don't know anything about me so you are not entitled to make
such relativistic judgements. The resource I provided a link to
already embodies it's own explanation, and it is up to any
potential readers to discover the connecting links and
ramifications for themselves; I was merely pointing them in the
right direction. As far as my own "explanation" goes... I would
have been only too happy to answer questions from individual
members if I had been politely asked, even as far as to give my
own complete 'take' on this. But, however, I do not take very
kindly to anyone making such aggressive insults against me and
moreover, given your attitude, I fear I would be providing you
with even more bones of contention to pick on me with, so I must
therefore desist from doing so.
I am only being on the defensive, but I deplore the fact that
the moderators are even allowing such personal attacks to go
uncensored and so I will from now on be posting only in forums
where the contributors will be treated with courtesy and
respect. Therefore, any more alerts, or invitations for me to
post here that arrive in my email will be marked as spam and
will be deleted without even being read.
[Infoburst: Good heavens StephenW, I am still trying to fathom
your outburst here. You are willing to cut your nose off to
spite your face by punishing the S.A. for something
Babalonuit888 has said. You seem a very sensitive sort of
initiate to me - most of the adepts I know would have cut
Babalonuit888 down in flames and vive le sport but here we find
you buckling at the first challenge. If you want to spend your
time prattling on forums which observe artificial pleasantries
to preserve the egos of those who populate them that is your
choice but you surely don't expect me to censor any contributors
because they may have hurt your feelings? Personally I think
you've just had your first lesson in real esotericism. What say
you? BB Denise W.
Topic Conciet. posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Do you consider yourselves some form of eletiste? Good for you.
Most of us contribute to aid other forum members.
Most of us work for a living, have numerous duties, yet make
time to explain our research/findings to others.
This is aid. Are you able to explain this abstruse metaphisical
finding to us? No?
Enjoy your arrogant smug impotence, or prove your worth by
explaining your findings to us mere mortals, in terms we can
digest.
Thankyou.
Topic RE: ancient geometry discovery
posted by StephenW User
posted on September 15, 2008 at 02:38 PM
http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/deemonad.pdf
In this document, see chapter titled "Our Canon of Transposition
(Metathesis)" to gain some deeper metaphysical insight on this
abstruse subject.
Topic RE: ancient geometry discovery
posted by StephenW User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 10:51 PM
http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eserv/UQ:13443/n04_139_Proudfoot.pdf
Topic ancient geometry discovery
posted by egohunter User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 08:14 PM
Hi all; I would like to share this discovery with you all. I
look forward to any feedback.:)x
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_sage1.htm .........
http://thecompletefloweroflife.blogspot.com/
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Topic Baby-bathwater.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 09:22 PM
Hello Denise. Sorry. I've been told in the past that my true
thinking is incomprehensible. I thought I'd improved my
communication skills. Apparently not. I may have created
confusion.
Sincere apologies. Seems it's my cue to leave.
Best Wishes to All.
Topic Golden Dawn posted
by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 03:24 PM
I see. I knew Mathers was in 'political' strife, losing His
position. I know not of the Westcott rift, obviously Fr. M. will
be correct.
'History is written by the Victors.' I read Crowley's account of
that time!
Yes, Israel Regardie, I understand your words. Thankyou.
Topic RE: The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn
posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:54 AM
Tidying up.
Greetings yet again Denise. I'm tidying up here, as my superiors
require me to perform some work. Fr. M. is, to my mind, correct.
I was guided to a police meeting in 1980, where they numbered me
after my Guru's number. 'For two things are done, and the
third,' begins= 3x8. Good luck everyone.
Topic RE: The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn
posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:53 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 09:19 AM
RE: Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
Hello again Denise. I see, I'm not a Judge of the rights or
wrongs of it, just a pawn, however, history as recorded says;
Crowley had a ferocious battle with Mathers, The Golden Dawn
collapsed, and crowley, with another Adept found themselves in
control of a defunct order. (The rift was that Mathers claimed
to have made contact with the secret chiefs, pretty unlikely, as
Mathers, billiant as He was, didn't cross The Abyss. A
fraudulant claim of that magnitude would inevitably have dire
repercussions, the order fragmented before the final showdown.)
So the first order is called G.D. as a convenience, not as the
original, now reinstated Golden Dawn system. As theyre a 5-10
min drive behind me, I'm well aware of their H.Q. The O.T.O.
will have to address this issue. Well pointed out. Thankyou
again Denise, Best Wishes.
[Infoburst: Hi Draconuit. According to Marabas the split in the
G.D. had nothing to do with Crowley but was due to a political
rift between Westcott and Mathers during which Crowley, in his
inimitable style, sensed an opportunity and tried to precipitate
a schism which was in the offing anyway. Outlying G.D. temples
proceded autonomously much as before but eventually atrophied
and when Crowley failed in his bid he moved on to develop his
own system. Since the second world war there has been no
authenticated
G.D. antecedent temple. It was precisely this vacuum which
enabled, following the publication of Regardie's book containing
most of the G.D. System (titled The Golden Dawn) devotees (and
upstarts!) to recreate G.D. temples for better or worse. And M
knows that of which he speaks. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn
posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:52 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 09:11 AM
RE: Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
Only just found your post. Point taken. The Golden Dawn
ressurected in kentucky (I think) under odd circumstances.
However, we're stuck with a system that refers to the first
order as G.D. I shall clarify this. I have to be very careful
with the inner orders explanation also, but that's what I am,
having read about pigeon sacrifice(???) I feel obliged to give a
very brief outline of what we are. I'll amend G.D. to O.T.O. It
might be wisest to simply state that the two higher orders are
invisible. Thanks for everything.(Putting up with my nature
included!)
[Infoburst: Hi Draconuit, It is my job to clarify statements on
this forum which may mislead newcomers. Occultists tend to
write/talk in a unique way combining hypotheses, opinion and
fact which is a form of personal dialectic well understood by
other practising occultists who can usually distinguish between
what is said and what is meant. However beginners often take
absolutely everything at face value as a bald statement of
incontrovertible truth. I am here to remind everyone (if any
reminder was needed) that the good stuff is nearly always
imbeded in a proportion of claptrap but whatever the precentage
of claptrap it does not denigrate the good stuff. We are not
here to chuck the baby out with the bathwater! ;-) If I may
adopt a maternal stance, your contributions are very much of
this ilk. Anyone can set up a group and call it by the name
Golden Dawn. There are dozens of them that we know of. Providing
these groups use the methods and training systems of the G.D.
properly then they are very valuable but the moment any of them
claim antecedency to Wynn Westcott's G.D. warning bells must
ring very loudly and it is the job of genuine esotericists to
resist the flights of fancy of many group leaders whose
pronouncements may confuse and mislead other genuine seekers.
BB. Denise W. ]
Topic The Antecedency of The Golden Dawn
posted by Draconuit User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 08:50 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
(Edited on Jun-17-2008 08:55 AM by moderator)
Greetings Denise, I find your forum very good, eclectic and
liberal. I noticed much muddle on The Crowley Thread, and have
written a v. brief explanation of The Golden Dawn, The outermost
Thelemic order. I am competent to outline the further stages-
and final order, carefully disclosing, veiled truths,which some
seekers may wish to study further, in book form. Any thoughts,
Denise? Good idea? Bad idea? I shall, of course, do as you
decide. Light, Life, Love and Liberty.
[infoburst: Hi Draconuit, you must be careful with absolute
statements which may mislead. Anyone following the G.D. system
will find your claim that it is a 'thelemic' order paradoxical.
Similarly, though Crowley was trained initially in the G.D.
system and was therefore influenced by it, in essence the G.D.
was/is ante-New Aeon and there is no genuine thelemic order that
we know of that claims the G.D. order itself as a part of the
thelemic system. BB Denise W.]
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Topic Protecting our Identity fom learning.
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 12, 2008 at 05:14 AM
I agree that the style of this forum is very frank, being very
frank with myself, this works. I personaly prefer the
profesional aproach that cuts out the waffle. Isnt the point to
observe ourselves and learn not to take things personaly? A Lion
of a Man once said to me "If I have sympathy for you, I have to
have sympathy for me. Then Brother, we are both screwed"
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Mousse Anon...
posted by nome. User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 08:58 AM
Greetings,
Yes, I do understand your point, I've blundered into that
before, the whole issue debated.
I rely on Denise to blank me, or did, when I went too far, until
recently, when a sudden-ish illumination occured, transforming
me again, slightly.
I'm waiting to see if she considers my latest waffle too heavy,
or intrigueing yet not scary.
If you glance around the occult web, you'll see we're having a
bit of a problem at the moment, power struggles and extreme
moves are, to my mind, detracting attention from the very real
threat of our liberty being restricted. I'm staying away from
the whole mess, this forum being a stable structure.
Oh yes, my latest effort has a valid point, amongst the waffle,
which I'm eager to get to; I used you as an E.G figuring you to
be intelligent enough to handle it. I need to get off the Earth
plane, in the thread, quickly. I need advisors, as I'm either
incomprehensible or unpleasant, frankly, though I think that's
past. Well, when Denise has edited, I'll see what to do next.
Very Best Wishes, nome.
Topic Mousse Anon...
posted by JASandansky User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 02:46 AM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Good heavens, nome, I never meant to suggest that Denise was
talking nonsense; nor did I think she was banning anonymous
posting. I also don't doubt the good intentions of most posters,
sympathetic or otherwise. I merely suggested that a few
individuals might be posting anonymously because they may have
felt personally attacked previously, or because honest criticism
may have come across as flaming or mudslinging. I'm sure that
forum "regulars" don't wish to scare newcomers away; but I'm
concerned that it may have happened unintentionally when
constructive criticism was interpreted as hostility.
Also, I never eat jam sandwiches without slathering them with
peanut butter first...
Jovana
[Infoburst: Yes, that is a risk Jovana - some newcomes who are
not up to speed may indeed misread the Geburic method which most
initiates use as too strong a meat but we can't make all
progress comfortable for them otherwise inner transformation
would not occur. If they are sincere seekers they will work
through it. Of course if they are reading this they will now
know it is done in their best interests and so the positive
dialectic of the SAEF has worked yet again! (Note for newbies -
Geburah is a sphere on the Qabbalistic tree of life which
concerns itself with energies translated as 'Mercy with
Severity'. In common parlance this is exemplified in the way
that a mother may instinctively smack her toddler after rushing
to pull her back from a busy road. One could make a case for
trying to reason with the child but one smack saves a thousand
words and, some would say, carries more love with it. BB Denis
W. ]
Topic nonny mouses. posted
by nome. User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Dear Jam sandwich. Do you imagine Denise is talking non-sense?
Every experienced Occultist will recognise Her gentle words as
an essential truth. Meditate.
Topic RE: A Plea To All Anony Mouses
posted by JASandansky User
posted on August 08, 2008 at 02:54 AM
edited on August 08, 2008 at 08:24 AM
Well, some here might see anonymity as a form of
self-protection. From my observations at a distance, some
posters have been overly critical or condescending toward others
who merely asked simple questions; likewise, some of the
feedback has been a bit harsh and sharpish, more than necessary
(perhaps from an excess of everyday stress?). Some people might
feel nervous and hesitant about posting at all after a while,
after having their heads bitten off a bit too often; and
customer goodwill toward the S.A. might suffer as well
eventually. None of us will ever stop learning (even the good
people at the S.A.), even when this life is over; hence, perhaps
we should treat each other with more kindness and empathy, to
the benefit and increased evolution of all. Just my own
observations, of course.
Good cheer to all,
Jovana A. Sandansky
[Infoburst: We are listening to what you are saying JASandansky
but here's how this forum works: Sympathy is cheap and can be
very destructive - we use it sparingly. If you want sympathy the
net is full of bleeding hearts who delight in making each other
feel good about themselves but don't change a thing. Here you
get hard truths succinctly and it saves a lot of time for
everyone. If someone is being stupid we say so - like you
misreading my message and thinking that I was banning the use of
anonymous posting.
Using a pseudonym still makes the user anonymous! Making up a
unique pseudonym for yourself helps others on the forum link
with your comments and character. So if someone has it wrong we
say so. Hopefully this will concentrate their thoughts and
increase the quality of debate. What more could any seeker into
the mysteries want? When I was floundering about all those years
ago as a newcomer I would have given my right arm for a reliable
source of initiated information which called a spade a spade -
whether it was delivered 'politely' or not. What say you? BB
Denise W.]
Topic nonny mouses. posted
by nome User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Excellent concept!- draconuit, was an irritating git, at times.
There was still division.
Yet, in but one nights Astral and one days physical thought;
His nature did transform.
He now makes occasional entries as 'nome'.(Explained that you
may track 'me'.) Long may you flourish!
Topic A Plea To All Anony Mouses
posted by Denise W User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 01:19 PM
Can all contributors think up a pseudonym for themselves to use
on the forum and make sure that they use it in the Name/Alias
box when typing a message? Pseudonyms help others reply to your
requests and assists in developing threads in a more
understandable form. It also enables people who find what you
have to say interesting check your earlier comments in the
threads. We are getting far too many Anonymous entries at the
moment - mostly generated by contributors forgetting to put
their pseudonym in the Name/Alias box (it defaults to anonymous
if you leave it empty). Let's have some netiquette please! ;-)
BB Denise W.
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Topic RE: Spaceman. posted
by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 09, 2008 at 02:30 AM
The Book of Dzyan may be purchased from The S.A. as 'The secret
Doctrine'; by Mme Blavatsky. I'm not an emloyed advertiser for
S.A.
I'm simply trying to be helpful, and have bought my best books
from S.A. I believe they are the best Occult supply store in
existance. Pleasantries to All at S.A. and members.
Topic Spaceman. posted by
ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 04:19 AM
Oh Yes! I like to travel through space, when I take time off.
The obvious is written in Thelemite Holy Books.
There is something not written. Study, if you will, the book of
Dzyan. I can say no more. For thousands of years(?) no-one has
openly discussed, that which only Adeptii know. There must be
a reason, I'm not prepared to upset the cosmic balance.
Keep on seeking! Wait 'til you cross the abyss, if you havn't
yet, and see the Cosmic Joke!!!
Topic Astral Projection - Historical research
and Planetary exploration posted by
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posted on April 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Does anyone who can Astral project well/easily have any
discovered information on little known/unkown episodes of human
history?
or any unusual finds whilst exploring space in astral form?
Surely some people can do it and have done it, I`d love to hear
from you.If not maybe we should form a group.
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Topic RE: Automatic writing via computer
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Hi Karen, Traditionally during a sitting the medium would use a
wooden planchette device which had a pen affixed which rested on
the paper. The discarnate entity moved the medium's hands to
write, draw, sketch etc. Some startlingly impressive creations
have resulted, including Mozart symphonies from the grave from
mediums who were tone deaf! The S.A. sell Automatic Writing
Planchettes which are very popular (go
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/autowriter.htm
for details ).
Spirits seem to find modern technology, very sensitive as they
are able to more easily affect changes at a molecular level.
This is often why ghosts are inadvertently photographed or heard
thru White Noise.
Marabas remembers people from the past making contact with him
by affecting the electrostatic charge on a photocopier. The
print which should have been of a book cover came out as a kind
of photograph of three victorian ladies sat around a table in
what looked like a seance!
At the S.A. we regularly find our computers doing things that
they would not normally be expected to do - but we have not had
any 'messages'. We have even had telephones dialing for
themselves (that is, customers picking up their phone which was
ringing out, whilst we were doing the same at this end! )
However we have not so far experienced computers writing
'automatically'. Some websites offer free ouijaboard programs
but this is simply technological trickery because although a
random number generator APPEARS to be random, in actual fact it
can never be so as it is based on a seed number and therefore is
always predictable. The whole purpose of using a planchette and
ouija-board is to focus the psychic energy of the operator and
this of course is somewhat disconnected when using a distant
computer.
BB Denise W. [Infoburst: S.A. Ouija-Board and Invocator Dial is
available from stock - go
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm for a pageful of
interesting background]
Topic RE: Automatic writing via computer
posted by John User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 02:06 PM
Hi Karen,
Personally I wouldn't say it's impossible
but I always tend to stay completely non
electrical in any occult working if possible
as I've heard that electrical fields are more
of a hindrance. I will even turn the power
off at the mains during ritual or serious
divinations !
John.
Topic Automatic writing via computer
posted by Karen User
posted on April 28, 2008 at 08:58 AM
Just curious--is it true that automatic writing can be done on
computers? Has anyone here tried this before; and if so, how
well did it work?
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Topic How to suck an egg.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 26, 2008 at 05:02 PM
(1) Know thine enemy:-) Look at the 'dirty birds' around, those
who would use and abuse you, usually for money. They seem to
believe the shadow scheme is 'real'. They can only see material
stuff, and want more; can't blame them, the fact that they exist
proves their validity.
(2) Fortify yourself; For an extra $40, you can get a really
good security system for your p.c. inc. a double firewall, every
body gets tracking cookies, an advanced: double firewall traps
it, rendering it impotent; unable to report to its master.
Unless you load it, then let down the outgoing firewall down for
a millisecond. Or simply analyse it, then destroy.
(3) Plan your long-term strategy.
(4) In 'my' case, let info. flow, according to one keyword.
Result:-) The Holy Temple of Babalonuit, a v. small place, is
now advertised, together with one reference to The S.A. forum,
in Germany, Finland, China, U.S.A.
The Temple is now open, and will operate externally in '09, as
directed in early '07.
Somebody in S.A. saw what we were doing, adding, a nice comment;
Thanks, we worked hard for years, still are doing.
Now, we've closed the window. A music station, with bands like:
Christian death, v1 Subversa :The poison girls, co-creators of
the socialist movement that spawned punk.
Check out our 'webpage' Wot a carry on! :-)
BABALONUIT888
Topic BABALON The Great.
posted by nome User
posted on August 23, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Greetings One and All.
It may be intersesting to note, that in Thelemite and Wiccian
religion, Babalon, a Great Goddess 4,000 yrs years old, cast
into shadow by man, is taking Her rightful place, as Woman
entirely liberated.
In The Thelemic Religion, The Adept strives toward our Lady,
that the Princess be elavated to that of The Queen, The Alchemy
of High Magick, in part. Babalon exists in sphere 3,just above
the Abyss, the gulf between Man and God,dwelling in The City of
Pyramids; and as the city is by The Great Sea, which does lap
upon the shores of Malkuth, The Earth Planes, so Babalon can
descend, below the Abyss, to the planes of pure force, even unto
full manifestaion.
41 years after the creation of Thelema, in 1945, several scrolls
were discovered in caves in Egypt. One of them, presumedly
transcribed by an Adept, we now recognise to be the paradoxical
speech of the Goddess Babalon:- (Extract)
" For I am the first and the last,
I am the honoured and the scorned one,
I am the whore and the holy one,
i am the wife and the virgin,
i am the mother and the daughter,
i am the members of my mother,
i am the barren one,
and many are her sons,
i am she whose wedding is great,
and i have not taken a husband,
i am the bride and bridegroom,
and it is my husband who begot me,
i am the mother of my father,
and the sister of my husband,
and he is my offspring.
I am the silence of which manifestation is the echoe,
and the idea whose remembrance is frequent,
I am the utterance of my name"
Babalon.
In perilous times, when our freedom is oppressed, we have made a
leap forward, which cannot be denied.
Serenity and understanding to all.
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Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper
posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Good luck
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posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:02 PM
Thanks for the reply, useful info.I think these books are for me
and will be putting them into practice.Cheers.
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posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Hi there
Sorry for the delay in replying. When I use material from
Cooper, it's usually from his "Creative Visualisation."
Usually I use his ideas in impromptu settings, or to start a
project in motion - I simply relax where I am, and do the
appropriate visualisations.
Sorry not to be more specific but there is no one way I use the
material. IF you feel drawn to the methods in "Basic Magick,"
give it a go.
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posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 11:45 AM
Thanks for the info Puretongue, I was just going to use a
covered table as an altar and some candles, I was going to
dispense with incense as I have some breathing
difficulties.Could you please elaborate on when you say that you
don`t use any equipment, do you just meditate cross legged on
the floor , go to your inner temple and just go on from there? -
Thanks.
Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper
posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 10:37 AM
Hi there
All of the books I've read by Mr. Cooper are similar in theme.
The reason I favour "Creative Visualisation" is that it makes
the link between this process and Spare's insights into how
magic works.
Sorry I've not seen "Inner Temple" yet, but I'd read it if I saw
it. The method he teaches in the others is workable, and, in my
experience, doesn't need any equipment so I've not needed a
special altar to use his ideas.
Results are good, depending on how well you can invest belief in
the world view he teaches and your ability to provide the
"mental blank period," referred to as "Gnosis" in many other
magical books.
Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper
posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 04:52 AM
Thanks for the reply, Have you been getting good results with
his methods? , Did you make one of them double cube altars he
keeps mentioning? Do you have his new book? - I think it`s
called Inner Temple - If so, is there anything in it that isn`t
in Basic Magick?
Cheers.
Topic RE: Basic Magick by phillip cooper
posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:23 PM
Hi there
Yes I've read it. For me, his "Creative Visualisation" was more
useful but all his books I've seen so far give a workable
philosophy of magic and guides to putting it into action.
Topic Basic Magick by phillip cooper
posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 04:36 AM
Hi, has anyone else read Basic Magick: a practical guide by
Phillip Cooper? - any opinions,feedback or experiences related
to the book would be appreciiated. Thanks.
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posted by Puretongue User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 08:08 AM
edited on April 14, 2008 at 02:59 PM
The first thing I'd try is leaving it longer than a week. My
first beard took a few weeks to get going. And many folk just
don't get the cheek hair others do - so don't worry about that.
Good luck.
[INFOBURST: You could try Dr John's Old Fashioned Hair Restorer
and Dr John's Old Fashioned Hair Reviver - two complimentary
formulae which Marabas has regularly made up for his tonsorially
challenged clients, when asked, for many years and which could
work on your chin as effectively as on your pate! BB Denise W.]
By the way - a lot of teenagers find beards quite amusing - so
expect comments.
Topic Beard growth posted
by Allan User
posted on April 11, 2008 at 05:35 AM
Strange posting I know, but
I occasionally go for a week or
so trying to allow a beard/moustache
to grow and I can only manage a small
stubble, very sparse and patchy and
I have cheeks like a Baby's bum. I'm
34 and quite masculine in all other ways
but would love a beard. Is there any magic
or herbs or anything I could use ?
Thanks, Allan.
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by JG User
posted on March 17, 2009 at 03:22 PM
Hi, my suggestion would be that you contact Denise privately and
I'm sure she will be able to advise you with your needs.
Topic Confused posted by
jennyin User
posted on March 17, 2009 at 06:35 AM
edited on March 18, 2009 at 10:29 AM
My son and his girlfriend swindled my husband and I out of a sum
of money over £10,000. As we are pensioners it has left us
struggling. We are really struggling paying our bills etc. Can
anyone suggest something that we can do to attract our money
back to us. We don't wish any harm to them but just want the
money back to give us the cushion that has been taken away. I
hope this is ok to ask if not I apologise.
[Infoburst: J.G. is correct in advising Jennyin to contact me
directly on denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk for
there are many traditional methods of reversing this situation
but we don't have space here to go into all the options, nor
should this kind of problem be aired on an open forum. However
there is one point you made which needs clarifying and could be
useful to others and that is the difficulty that newcomers to
magic have in overcoming the misconception indoctrinated into
them that any magic which forces another person to do something
against their will is evil and will cause karmic backflow.
Marabas corrects this in his OEXP066
which should be read by every newcomer. In the physical
plane if someone steps on your toes you have the option of
wincing and bearing the pain stoically or pushing them off.
Using magic to correct a situation is the spiritual equivalent
of pushing them off and as OEXP066 explains - will actually help
both them and you so don't be anxious that you will somehow be
punished for doing the sensible thing. BB Denise Wadsworth
Topic RE: Rose Cross Ritual
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on February 23, 2009 at 05:06 PM
Sorry New Kid i will try to be clearer next time and read your
post more carefuly. My Bad. I was suggesting a bannishig if you
felt under attack the days following the experience, which as
Dennise points out is total NAN (but is also effective).
Paranioa is a controll thing (an inabilty to let go) and in the
NAN comunity superstition runs high, so any part of the Universe
that "seems" threatening is imidiatly bannished. This isnt
Magick its NAN and i apologise for waffling shite.
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Rose Cross Ritual
posted by New kid on the block User
posted on February 16, 2009 at 10:31 PM
edited on February 18, 2009 at 09:32 AM
Hi. Yes it is the SA version that I have been doing but I am a
little confused as to why would I want to do a banishing ritual?
Would that not be defeating the object or is that a silly
question?
[Infoburst: I think Rice'n Peas was thinking that if the
experience became too intense a banishing rite would centre you
again. Actually the Rosy Cross rite is a centralising esoteric
exercise so just re-performing it would achieve the same
purpose. Your experience is not uncommon and there are other
more indicative symptoms other than the ones you have listed,
for instance giddiness at the base of the skull. All these are
signs of the beginnings of the release of the Astral Body which
is the precursor to all magic so should be celebrated as a good
thing and an indication that you will make a good magician in
the long run and would be best experimenting further, perhaps
with Godform Invocation
see Marabas's OEXP101
Working with Godforms here Keep in mind that the Astral
Body will be centred as part of the 'license to depart' at the
end of any good rite but will automatically and naturally centre
itself over a short period of time anyway (if you have problems
just take a nap and you will wake up centred) so do not become
paranoid with the usual NAN about permanently dislocated Astral
Bodies and all that rubbish. What you have is the beginnings of
a great gift.
BB Denise Wadsworth ]
Topic RE: Rose Cross Ritual
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on February 16, 2009 at 07:14 PM
Hi New Kid. I take it you have been practicing from the Ross
Cross OEXP, which has been adapted and can be found in
Regardie's Golden Dawn. The Rose Cross ritual opens up your
phsycic perception hence the trance state that you are feeling.
It can be a great prelude to further phsycic experiment but if
it is too intense a banishing/ring not pass will help.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic Rose cross ritual
posted by New kid on the block User
posted on February 14, 2009 at 02:50 PM
Hi all, I am still a beginner with magic and have had some
strange experiences during the simple rose cross ritual. As I am
performing the ritual I feel a bit spaced out and seem to be
aware of things although I have no control over them. My voice
seems to deepen and vibrate in a chesty/throaty kind of a way
and I pronounce the words slower. I am aware of this happening
although it seems as if I am watching it from outside of my
being. If I think about this during the ritual it sort of snaps
me out of it and I come back to reality. This has happened a few
times now and I try to go with it and not think about it. Is
this normal and caused by a change in consciousness? It has
never happened like this during any spells that I have worked. I
thought I had imagined it the first time it happened.
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 12, 2008 at 06:08 PM
edited on September 16, 2008 at 03:01 PM
Hi Chris. Sorry it took so long, Im in the middle of moving
house. Its best not to think about the hows and whys of spells
manifesting. Just be ready to grab the opertunities. Trying not
to think about something is a real test in itself, when the mind
decides its important it can be a real fight to stop the
thoughts.
The Opening Gateways course i recomended taught me to controll
my awarness and focus it in to the here/now, a valuable tool to
stop the whats and hows of the mind.
Good Luck
Rienpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by T User
posted on September 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM
edited on September 16, 2008 at 02:59 PM
Hi all. I have been told that I need to lay my tarot cards out
with the pictures facing upwards in view of a full moon when
they become 'sticky' so that the vibrations of the moon can
cleanse them. Has anyone heard of this or tried it and does it
make a difference? I have been told that the stickiness is due
to picking up psychic dross and peoples emotions when using them
and keeping them wrapped in black silk doesn't prevent this.
[Infoburst: Someone has been confusing you. Moonlight doesn't
cleanse but it will sensitise you and is superb for increasing
the psychic abilities of the magician or witch. To cleanse any
hard-surface equipment (i.e. altar top, candlesticks, athames,
swords, etc) of psychic vibrations you
you should use a cap-full of Chinese Wash in a pint of ordinary
tap water and wash the items down with it. Marabas teaches that
the traditional way to cleanse fabric or paper, vellum,
parchment etc is to pass them through the fumes from
Purification Incense B554N. Your advisor is perfectly right in
that the cards will take-up the vibrations of each person you
read for and this of course is absolutely necessary which is why
all querents should be asked to shuffle the tarot before a
reading is done for them. However, strictly speaking to get the
best results you should also be fuming the cards after every
consultation to psychically cleanse them from the previous
reading. Wrapping an item in black silk will stop them from
attracting unwanted psychic vibrations. If the item has already
been charged ritually then the silk will also keep that charge
and stop it from dissipating (ideal for amulets, talismans and
altar equipment). BB Denise W.
N.B.
Black Silks are available from here - scroll down the page to
Silk Squares/Wraps.
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Chris User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 07:56 PM
Hi again Ricenpeas, thought I would ask you another question if
you don't mind. Have you any tips on how to stay positive about
your magic after casting a spell? There are things going on that
make it very difficult to do. I would welcome advice from anyone
else reading this too. Thanks in advance!
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 11:35 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:24 AM
I find painting the symbols helps alot, i realy indulge myself
in the colours. (trick i learnt from
Marabas's elemental gateway symbol cards). Then I just remeber
what i have painted. The same technique can be used to create
Angels ect using the book Angelic Images-Construction of
Godforms and Astral Imagaes. The book goes with the Complete
Golden Dawn but can also be used freestyle to suit.
Ricenpeas
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Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by windymiller User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Yeah thats right. Pictures, etc, serve to imprint on your mind
what something should basically look like and then later, when
you come to visualise it, the task will be easier. As you point
out, the trick then is to use the other senses in conjunction to
make the visualisation 'come alive' so to speak. It's not
impossible to learn (I assume!) but is tricky and needs
practice......unless you're marvelously gifted that is and you
can do it from day one!!
Regards
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Great stuff Windymiller. Visulising isnt alien power, only
obtainable by a chosen few, as some seem to make out. Its a
natural proccess that we all do all of the time. For example, if
i were to ask you to remember what your sofa looks like?...what
colour is your sofa?...how does it smell?....how does it feel?..
If i were to ask you to describe your sofa in detail you would
have to recall/visualise it. Hold that recall/visualisation in
your mind for as long as you can and you are exercising your
visual skills. As you nicely pointed out this can be also be
done with pictures but make sure to use all 5 senses. Feel,
smell, hear and even taste that flaming pentergram.
Nice one
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by windymiller User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 10:48 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:21 AM
Hey there. I asked exactly the same question of the SA a few
days back and Denise replied with a bit of advice...I won't copy
the e-mail out cos' it'll take too long but will just give the
essentials: get yourself OEXP037 on visualisation -it outlines
steps to help yourself. Also when visualising then try to obtain
pictures of what is going to be visualised and study them
closely to become totally familiar with them. So if you're after
visualising 'flaming' Pentegrams then try and get a hold of some
pictures of them, if it's the Archangels of the four quarters
then try and get pictures of them too so as it is totally clear
in your own mind what they should look like. Hope this of some
help.
Regards
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 09:17 PM
I will be into my 5th month now and I feel things are starting
to improve. My visualised pentagrams are getting pretty solid
though they still break up, bits dissapear and they change
colour alot. My mind still wanders especialy during my morning
exercises but i just bring my mind back to the pentagram (I
choose a pentagram as my concentration object). Trying to hard
can be a hinderance. Try shortening the lenghth of time you
spend visualising but do it more often. Any spare moment can be
used for visualisation practice.
Learning to focus improves your willpower, intelect and the
ability to perform Magick, as well as much free entertainment.
Even though it wont feel like it sometimes every time you do it
you will get better at it.
Best of Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 08:24 PM
How long did it take you if you dont mind me asking? i don't
know if i try too hard but i usually end up with a headache!
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 08:13 PM
Exactly the same as me when I started. Keep it up, it takes time
but the results will come.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 08:13 PM
Exactly the same as me when I started. Keep it up, it takes time
but the results will come.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Chris User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 02:18 PM
Hi Ricenpeas. Thanks for the friendly advice you gave me! I
thought it would be easy as I daydream with no problem but I
tried with a candle flame but my mind wanders away from what I
want to visualize. As I said closing my eyes helps but its not
ideal even then.
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 01:51 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:19 AM
Hi Chris.
Visualisation is my weak point too. Yes, closing the eyes is a
great way to learn. Some recomend turning your eyes upwards but
i would recomend going with what is comfortable to begin with.
Once you get the hang of it try it with your eyes open. Pick a
spot in the air about 3/4 feet away and visualise an object.
Remember we use all 5 senses when visualising so you will
probably find you are better with some senses than with others.
Just keep chipping away at it. It takes time and practice but
its seriously worth it.
Visual Magick by Jan Fries, available from Mandrake of Oxford,
and Fr. Sisto
Opening Gateways from the S.A. audio collection really helped me
as did reading a bit of fiction and listening to Beethoven.
Hope That Helped
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Chris User
posted on August 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I am just starting to learn about magic and have a very simple
question. I find it difficult to visualize but if I close my
eyes this does help a little. Should this be done with the eyes
open or closed? does it matter?
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Topic Psi overload posted
by Douglas Dumpling User
posted on August 21, 2008 at 01:40 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:33 AM
Hello
As a beginner I'm really starting to see results, which is
great. But I seem to be developing a psychic sense with which i
can tune into People around me sensing impressions about them.
I've just recently realized I'm doing this almost all the time,
it's causing me too feel vulnerable in public and starting to
make me withdraw socially and become shy. My question is how can
i control this gift more effectively and not feel swamped by
others around me?
Great forum btw, very useful, It has helped me a lot.
Cheers
D.D.
[Infoburst: Welcome Douglas, Neophytes should realise that
involvement in magic is both macrocosmic and microcosmic -
everything you do and experience will be affected. It is par for
the course for people experimenting with results-magic to find
psychic sensitivities growing within them. Once your
spirito-magical core has been 'activated' this is a natural
evolution and will, eventually, be seen by you as a wonderful
gift. At the moment it may perplex you but that's just because
you were not mentally prepared for it. The strangeness will
disappear in time as you come to learn to manipulate and direct
the extra psychic feelings and Marabas's advice in this respect
in all cases is to begin general magical development as integral
with this are the skills and methods required to control and
direct psychic energies. You can start with Grimoire of The
Shadows by Frater Sisto - a complete audiocourse in gaining
willed control over psychic energies.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm In
short, don't worry - you've achieved the beginning of something
many others are trying hard for. BB Denise W.
Topic Beginners beware of conmen (or women)
posted by JJ User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:49 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:21 AM
Hi all, dare I mention the name Kevin Carylon on here Denise?
Enough said, no wish to offend the people on this site. Form
your own opinion though by going to
http://www.occultforums.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=342341#post342341
Topic Divination on spells
posted by Julie G User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 02:19 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:44 AM
Hiya all, any suggestions on this
Topic please? I have been given conflicting opinions by 2
associates with more experience than myself so don't know which
is true, my question is;
after performing a spell should you use divination to track its
progress or let it go completely? one friend says yes you should
use divination so you don't miss opportunites and he other says
by using divination you 'draw it back to you' and stops the
spell from developing properly. Do any of you have a theory on
the use of divination after you have cast you spell or how long
you should wait before scanning the progress? It would be
interesting to hear your views and experiences.
[Infoburst: Hi Julie - the time to resort to divination is
BEFORE you cast your spell not afterwards. Marabas teaches that
success in magick relies on knowing the where and the when to
apply your magic and so all initiates tend to use divination
before any major magical working to get a perspective on the
changes their proposed rite will create. Testing a spell with
divination after it has been cast is simply an insult to the
gods, alerts them to the fact that you have little faith in
yourself or them and also may attenuate the magic because as one
friend pointed out to you , each time you do it you are
indoctrinating yourself with the reality that you do not have
your wish so pushing the result you desire further away. You
would only use divination after the cast to get perspective on
why your magic has not worked. That is, realising your magic was
applied incorrectly and reverting to what Marabas recommends at
the start! Try again, persistence is the key. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Image dolls
posted by Denise W User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 09:37 AM
PJ you do not seem to be reading my replies carefully enough.
White cloth will not stop the magic, only black silk. You cannot
simply throw a charged item away - you must keep it safe. That
is one of the responsibilities of magic. This forum is not the
place for identifiably specific queries on actual cases - you
should email me directly and privately at the S.A. for any
follow enquiries. BB Denise W.
Topic Image dolls posted
by Pj User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 05:34 PM
Thanks Denise, I had removed all the links etc and cleansed and
it is currently wrapped in white cotten but if it is of no
further use can I just throw it away? Can I use the same white
cotten to wrap new dolls of my partner and myself if I do the
lovespell between us or will this cloth be contaminated by the
previous spell?
Topic RE: Image dolls
posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 03:54 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM
[Infoburst: No PJ. You must not remould the doll or use any part
of it for another person after it has been consecrated. Marabas
teaches that magical force behaves somewhat like radioactivity
and that although its 'half-life' may be equal to the time of
its existence. I.E. If you consecrate the doll, change your mind
and then de consecrate six months later the doll will
by-and-large still work for six months after you dismantle it
and then the astral image will begin to fade from then on. It
never actually totally goes away because the astral link is
qualitative not quantitative - hence there is always an astral
link to it and if you re-use the material for someone else you
can cause pecular effects between those two people. Wrap the
dismantled doll in a black silk cloth
(see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm and
scroll down to Silk Squares ) This will stop the doll linking
with the astral as black silk is a psychic insulator. Place away
somewhere safe and forget it. Work on your existing relationship
and strengthen it with various forms of love magic so that the
relationship is stronger than it was before. Remember love is
FELT, not rationalised. Don't let your guilt get in the way.
Denise W.
Topic Thanks for Paths to Magick
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 03:04 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
The best outline of Magick i have ever come across. to cover so
much so clearly AND at a relaxed pace so i could take it all in.
Wow. Ive read so much waffle in my time and also been the victim
of over complicating things myself. There is none of that here.
Simple and factual. The way it should be.
Cheers S.A. you have saved me time and money.
Ricenpeas
[INFORBURST: More background and buy-now buttons for Marabas's
Paths To Magick cassette or CD is on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm]
Topic RE: Chaosphere Cassette
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 11:21 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:18 AM
hi karen, im just getting stuck in to practicing Magick myself.
My mother is a reiki master and i am very much using chaos
technique. We Do Conflict. Frater Marabas does give full
explaination of the workings of Magick and the oexp short
lessons will give what you are looking for. i recomend starting
at the beginers page. use your own judgement and best of luck
terry
[Infoburst: Just a quick update for all - The Chaosphere
Experience audio-course is now available on a remastered
improved quality CD as well as the original audiocassette
version.
Go http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm
Topic RE: Chaosphere Cassette
posted by Karen User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 01:44 AM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM
I ought to listen/read up on the Chaosphere more when I've got
some free time. I know next to nothing about chaos magick except
that sigils are somehow involved.
Is this related to reiki practice in any way? Does S.A. have any
resources on that subject? My knowledge of that is limited as
well, though I'm aware that esoteric symbols are used there as
well. I'm interested in getting trained in that when I have the
time and funds available. I've seen a friend's dog with spinal
disc herniation improve dramatically after just one rather
casual session with a reiki practitioner; so my curiosity has
been piqued...
--Karen
Hmmn, You don't want to know what Marabas thinks of Reiki
Masters, Karen. The idea of anyone becoming the 'master' of an
esoteric technique in a weekend's course is ultimate NAN and
relies on the educational indoctrination of the modern mind to
rely upon specialists with degrees and diplomas instead of their
own intuition. Marabas says that the Reiki Industry is a
pestilence amongst genuine occultism. The application of the
ancient method of Taoist Heaven and Earth palm healing which
Reiki is a very pale reflection of can take a practitioner YEARS
to develop and depends not only on where the hands go but also
on the power and state of Chi in the practitioners own body. Not
to mention his/her years of esoteric knowledge and wisdom. To
wrap all this up in a weekend Reiki course is like giving a
diploma for Neuro-surgery to someone who has just finished a
woodwork course It is a danger because it greatly misleads
newcomers like yourself into thinking play-acting laying on
hands is the same as actual heaven and earth palm - which it is
not. As Heaven and Earth palm does work and everyone has the
capacity to do it by degree results can be obtained but to then
put these people out as Reiki 'Masters' is just an insult to
genuine initiates. BB Denise W.]
Topic Chaosphere Cassette
posted by ZBeyondR User
posted on January 16, 2008 at 04:04 PM
edited on August 21, 2008 at 09:51 AM
Greetings Denise,
Thanks for having sent chaosphere quickly.
[http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm]
Reached Mauritius in 4 days and I had it on the 5th day.
Excellent lecture. Not something that bores you, interesting and
always up to the point. The only work on chaos magic that I
loved.
[Infoburst: Denise Replies: Hi. 4 days from U.K. to Mauritius by
standard airmail? Now that's what I call S.A. magic. Actually we
once sent a standard airmail parcel to a client on the Eastern
Seaboard of the U.S. and it got to him in THREE days! Yes you
can pay thru the nose for courier but they often take four or
five days as well so best leave it to the gods eh?]
There's a question though. Can I use the chaosphere for another
desire, whilst waiting for my first one to materialize?
[DENISE: Well there's no rule that you can't, but Marabas
teaches that it is best not to split the focus of your magic
until it has hit home - that way you get the best success. ]
No, am not greedy, just wanted to know if another desire is
realisable whilst am patiently waiting for my first to realise.
I loved the way you replied to a few people on this forum. N plz
dnt reply to me in that manner, else I would leave te forum too.
LOL
[DENISE: People who get it wrong or are talking NAN (New Age
Nonsense) on this forum will be told so. This isn't a personal
thing - we all get it wrong sometimes and it's important to keep
the standards up. Getting something wrong doesn't mean
everything you believe becomes defunct just the bit that was
taken to task. Swallow it and learn. Everyone is welcome under
these rules and no harm done. We don't expect everyone to know
everything (not even me ;-) and beginners wouldn't get trashed
for making silly comments so please join in the fray and vive le
sport BB D]
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Topic Soulmates? posted by
Sannymac User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 03:01 PM
How do you know if you've met your soulmate? Is it a blinding
revelation or just being really drawn to someone but more
intense than ordinary attraction? I've met somebody and feel a
really strong connection too them but I'm worried it's just a
crush, of course i've had crushes before but nothing like this.
Anyone had experience with this aspect of love magic? Or indeed
anyone? not believe such things happen?
Topic BEGINNERS PLEASE
posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 08:58 AM
We have set up this special thread solely to cater for the type
of very basic questions which beginner's want to ask but may be
put off asking by the initiated level of discussion in the other
threads in . Newcomers can join in here by asking any questions
about anything to do with occultism and posting any reservations
or clarifications no matter how simple and without fear of
making embarrassing mistakes or of incurring the wrath of
initiates by inappropriately interrupting a thread on advanced
subjects. Of course 'simple' questions often create complex
answers. If an important subject ignites here then it will be
transferred to a separate thread of it's own for all to learn
from. Enjoy! Denise W.
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Topic feedback posted by
client number 71577 User
posted on April 10, 2010 at 01:51 PM
hi, just 2 say ordered crones book of words from u. most
excellent value and service from the s.a, as always keep up the
gr8t work, my order arrived this morning thank u.
Topic RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 23, 2008 at 09:51 AM
Hi Reema, did you have any luck in finding a way to break them
up? I have a similar problem!
Topic RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?
posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 05:41 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:44 AM
Is there anything that can be done to break up family members
does anyone know? The family of the person I was with has caused
lots of problems and I would like to get split them up so that
they do not cause more.
Topic RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?
posted by JK User
posted on May 29, 2008 at 05:25 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Hi Reema,
You should contact the Sorcerer's Apprentice directly. They have
many
things that might help. I have tried Marabs's oils and they have
worked
for me. Can I ask you are you really sure you want this man, is
he right
for you or is it good that he's gone ? I was once smitten with
someone
who left me and I desparately wanted her return but now I have
someone worth
ten of her and I'm glad she's gone. Emotions cloud our judgement
so much,
but first, relax, take your mind off it a bit and have faith
that you
can succeed. You cannot think of failure even a little bit when
using magic.
Also, don't worry about the logic of how oils, etc can work.
They work on
the astral level. You can download the Root magic guide which
explains this
method superbly.
Please check the items that I first mentioned and ask SA for
advice on queriesATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk.
Best regards, JK
Topic RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?
posted by Reema User
posted on May 29, 2008 at 01:51 PM
JK, THANKS A MILLION FOR YOUR INPUT, as I am only a novice, what
would you think best for me?? Would you say the oils as I am
TOTAL BEGINNER? How can something so simple actually work??
What worked for you? Do please reply??
Topic RE: BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?
posted by JK User
posted on May 27, 2008 at 06:14 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Hi Reema,
On the SA website you will find many items that could
help (If you're not a client of the SA you'll have to
take my word for it but Marabas' stuff works-better than
anything you'll find anywhere else). Check the SA website
for root magic oils and
BUY THE GUIDE to these oils. They
are excellent but the guide is the key to using them.
The SA also have a Talisman for Love, There is the
proven
erotic spells CD/download (
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm ) which has
spells to get your man and
keep him faithful, and also look at the
Love's desire spellkit (
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm )
which is VERY powerful. The SA will be able to advise you better
and personally: check out the website for details.
I wish you all the best,
JK
Topic BEST METHOD TO BREAK IT UP?
posted by Reema User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 01:07 PM
Another woman has stolen my man. She treats him like crap, yet,
so far, he stays. He still likes me, but is swaying!
What can I perform magikally to get rid of the other woman &
break them up? All I have is her name! PLEASE HELP!!
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Topic RE: Bible study for
Pagans/Occultists/Satanists posted by Moon
User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 08:34 PM
Hi,
Thanks for this information. I have attend the church of England
for many years, but study the Cabbalah as well. Jesus is so
misunderstood by his flock, but the trouble is that they do not
have the EARS to understand what he said. I believe he spoke of
love for everyone, but gave personal instruction (parables
etc..) to those (then and now) who were brave enough to apply
what he was teaching. I have gotten in trouble with other
Christains for saying Jesus was of Cabbalahist Jewish faith.
Moon
Topic Bible and Qabalah
posted by John W User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 11:13 AM
S.L.MacGregor Mathers' book The Kabbalah Unveiled has some
real gems for anyone interested in an alternative view of
the Hebrew scriptures.
John.
Topic RE: Bible study for
Pagans/Occultists/Satanists posted by Karen
User
posted on May 28, 2008 at 03:48 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM
The Book of Revelation has an interesting history indeed.
Trouble is, generations of people have been expecting the world
to end in their day; so they go hunting for the Antichrist in
every leader or institution of questionable ethics. I still
remember my college days in the early 80's, when born-again
students sat around discussing how Jesus would be coming back
soon during the expected nuclear war with the Soviet "Evil
Empire." There were scores of books being published during that
time insisting that Biblical prophecy was all about the U.S.
versus Russia. Sigh...
From my reading of the New Testament, the word "Satan" means
adversary or accuser in court, and might have been a sort of
legal term. A devil figure also appears in the book of Job,
which starts off with a truly bizarre scene of God and the devil
making bets on how far you can push a guy before he loses his
faith. In Genesis, however, the serpent in Eden must, in fact,
have been a Snake Goddess who, with the God figure, represented
competing/conflicting belief systems within one region or
ancient society. I've been studying this story for a long time,
along with the Cain and Abel story which parallels the Sumerian
story of the courtship of Inanna (when she is asked to choose
between a farmer and a shepherd; she prefers the
shepherd/pastoralist, just as the Biblical creator-god prefers
the sacrifice of Abel the shepherd). Several years ago, I wrote
a rather rough article on this subject and posted it at my
website at http://www.angelfire.com/folk/karivox/litmarket/genesis.html
, should anyone be curious...
[Infoburst: I found your article excellent. I am recommending it
to others. This also enables me to alert everyone to the
possibility of this thread being used as a double-think by
fundamentalist agent provocateurs who use gauged argument in
order to weaken the resolve of people they think need turning
from their evil ways! Your article is a good antidote to that.
BB Denise]
Topic Amazing Bible links
posted by JK User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 11:28 AM
The Book of Genesis is known to follow closely the Sumerian
Epic of Gilgamesh wich includes the Great Flood (which was
local, not worldwide)
There are many parallel, even exact copies of sayings of
Gautama Buddha (500BC)later attributed to Jesus.
And what of the word 'God' or 'Lord' as the English translators
have it. That's a study in itself including the plural Elohim
who created the plural Adam "And Elohim (literally) created man
in His own image, in the image of Elohim He created Him (the
Adam, or earthling, literally); male and female He created
them." Genesis 1:27
But let's not forget the awful barbarity of the Bible where a
woman must marry her rapist if raped, where a father may sell
his daughter into slavery, the rape and murder comanded by God
when
the Israelites stole nations in war. Some excellent resources
with
stuff you won't believe,...JK
www.jesusneverexisted.com
www.evilbible.com
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm
Topic The Christian Bible.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 08:36 AM
Shaitan (Satan) is a Thelemic Deity, being The Star God of The
ancient Chaldeans, two of whom, Abram & Sara left, with
followers, changing their names to Abraham, & Sarah.The rest
is history. In Biblical terms, Shaitan,Satan, is not 'the
Tempter', He is Prosecuter for The Crown; Godhead. To concur
with your observation, the Bible states that, having a rough
time keeping order, "Satan, sorely wounded, did rest apon His
spear, and many Angels, good and true, did race to His aid" (As
best I recall.) Further, was it not
Satan who bade 'Man know thyself' by giving of the tree of
knowledge, that Man might know good and evil, with the freewill
to choose His path? Thelemites, seeing satan in this light, see
Him not
as enemy of Man, but friend! This is a very different concept to
The Church of Satan, they are entirely different to Thelemites.
Thelema dosn't believe in 'the devil', it being a christian
concept.
666, in qaballah, means Solar, or Son of God center;Tiphareth,
as a Holy Trinity. Viewpoint. The Lord Shaitan! Holy is Thy
Name!
I wonder how this thread will develop? Viewpoints.
Topic Bible study for
Pagans/Occultists/Satanists posted by Gnostic
Guy User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 05:38 AM
Having been raised Christian I am surprised how little I ever
knew about the Bible, also I bet most Pagans/Occultists but for
the adepts do not know how to read the Bible correctly and
taking a Bible study course is hazardous as they're invariably
based on some sect or another's dogmatic interpretation. As a
Pagan, having recently read through the Bible and dozens of
books on it was a daunting task to set myself, but I'm glad I
did as I found out the following on the hot
Topics of Satan, Hell and 666, etc. If anyone is interested I
can supply passage references, etc, otherwise I hope this may be
of interest to the average Pagan/Occultist/Satanist
Satan does not exist, OK we all know that, but not only doesn't
he exist, but even the Bible read intelligently supports that
Fact.
Satan means adversary and in the Bible is used as a name for
persons or angels caused by God to oppose someone. Get that.
Satan does not act except on the express orders of God. (I'm not
supporting literal Bible truth here, just reading it as it
actually reads without Church interpretation).
Satan nowhere in the Bible is a personal name for one being. It
is a Title, a description. Lucifer is not Satan, Satan is not
Lucifer and neither of them are the Devil. The verse of
scripture used to support Lucifer being a 'fallen angel' is
actually a reference to a person, the King of Tyre who is
likened to the Morning star (Venus/Lucifer). Jesus Christ is
also called the Bright Morning Star (Lucifer).
Jews do not believe in a personal Devil. They know their own
scriptures better, the Devil is the invention of the Church.
The Beast 666 refers to the Roman Empire at the time of St
John's imprisonment, and to the Emperor Nero. It is the number
of a man. Some ancient scriptures actually calculate it as 616.
uch use of numbers & symbols was essential to early
Christians not to be caught down-talking the authorities. The
belief in a coming antichrist Satanic world government is a very
modern one among Christians. Until quite recently the trend was
to read the book of Revelation as a record of things that were
in the past, written in symbols. Martin Luther actually wanted
the entire book
of Revelation left out of the protestant canon as he doubted its
validity. Later protestants ascribed 666 to the dynasty of
Popes. Only recently has it passed to Satan himself.
Hell is another place the Bible doesn't mention. The word Hell
when you see it in the Bible is translated either from the word
Gehenna (fire for burning rubbish) or Hades (state of the dead).
Gehenna was a rubbish heap outside the City walls, symbolizing
separation from the City or separation of the dead
from God. Eternal burning torment is not a scriptural idea but
an invention of the Church. early Christians believed that after
death they would sleep until the resurrection as with non
Christians also. They did NOT believe they would fly off to
heaven. They believed in an eventual renewed Earthly paradise
in a new body.
Gnostic Guy.
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Topic blood for subject link
posted by kimball User
posted on April 27, 2010 at 12:54 PM
edited on April 29, 2010 at 09:10 AM
I was wondering if arfter pricking the finger to get blood say
into a magial oil bottle. it is o.k to damp a tissue on to the
blood and then put that (the tissue) into the bottle since i'm
having a trouble getting the droplit's into the bottle. my blood
does not seem to flow to well. thank's
[INFOBURST: Hi Kimball, Marabas teaches that only a pin-prick of
blood is necessary because the requirement is in the 'genetic
signature' That is, quality not quantity. This drop of blood can
be squeezed into magical preparations or smeared onto talismans
etc. Marabas says that traditionally different fingers are used
for different types of magic based on their planetary
associations.
Yes it is perfectly permissible to moisten a small piece of
'virgin' (clean, new, previously untouched by anyone else)tissue
with a drop of blood and then put that into the bottle. If one
chooses to do this hygiene is important. A sterilised needle
should be used (hold the needle with pliers and pass through a
flame for a few seconds - then wash clean). The finger should be
washed before pricking and swabbed with antiseptic afterwards.
Naturally we don't recommend this procedure with haemophiliacs!
Although one's own blood is the most powerful subject link one
can also use spittle to good effect.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic broken mirriors and bad luck
posted by kimball User
posted on December 09, 2009 at 04:38 PM
edited on December 15, 2009 at 09:49 AM
Does anyone know how to reverse the bad luck cause by braking a
mirror. Or is it just non-magic superstitution which i should
not worry about
[INFOBURST: Hi Kimball, The anxiety is caused by the idea that
whatever image is reflected in the mirror when it breaks then
some disaster is being foretold because nothing happens by
chance. It is basic sympathetic magic. If you stick a pin in an
image of a person then that person will feel pain. If the last
image in the mirror before it breaks is your car then your car
will break down or you may have an accident. If the last image
is a person then that person will, by tradition, be subjected to
ill-health, accident or other negative experiences or ill-luck
is likely to befall them. The prudent magician will see a mirror
breaking as a warning and use a protection oil, something like
Circle of Protection Oil B120 daily until the next moon has
passed, just to make sure.
Although very much taken for granted Mirrors are a very powerful
magical aid and you can read just one astonishing way this can
be done in Marabas's
OEXP008
Inner Discovery Looking Glass Meditation but be careful
how you use this magical technique because it is VERY powerful.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic Still Missing the point.
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 02:18 PM
My apologies for Pastanbeans but he does have a good point. As
Dennise pointed out M asks the question "would you have someone
else make love to someone in your place?" PastanBeans has
obviously pushed himself beyond his disability and is reaping
the rewards. For me Magick is about learning to be ABLE and not
relying on others. It is little old Me that does the Magick,
Marabas just points me in the right direction. He empowers me to
DO MAGICK FOR MYSELF, anything else and I would be off like a
shot. In my not so humble opinion I would advise you to stop
grasping at straws and take controll of YOUR destiny. Check out
and DO some of his spells. This may seem harsh but its as
helpful as I can be.
Good Luck
RicenpeaS
Topic RE: Missing the Point
posted by ok.........name me one, just one
witch User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 03:51 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:40 PM
who you would trust to do a magical working for you????
And did their working produce any results?? I am learning
disabled and need someone to do a working for me.
Thanks.
[Infoburst: You don't sound very learning disabled to me - here
you are on a computer, communicating very effectively with all
of us. Why can't you do that with the gods for yourself? BB
Denise W]
Topic Missing the Point
posted by RICENPEAS User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 07:21 PM
The thing I hate about discusions on the internet is you cant
bring your hand to your mouth and cough the word "tosser". Of
coarse others can do for spells for others, and yes some are
quite good at it, but thats not what people who shop at the S.A.
are about. We like to do Magick for ourselves so we dont have to
rely on others which makes us vunerable. By purchesing a
spellkit we get to see and learn how easy it is to take controll
of our own lives and this encourages us to do more. Ive spent a
shed load of money at the S.A. and i am making sure I get my
moneys worth, and that is what defines me from the gullable.
I am the Magickian who makes the grass greener, and so are you.
RICENPEAS
Topic so you are saying..........these
webwitches posted by Henry User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 03:55 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:35 PM
are just full of bull? and there is no way a spell can be worked
on behalf of someone else?
What about "Rose Ariadne" who is selling a course on witchcraft
via the Internet........is this just another scam?
[Infoburst: No we are not saying that they are scammers and we
don't know anything about Ariadne (apart from the fact that she
was originally a minor rural goddess of the vine) - we are
pointing out that if your desire is true then you will naturally
want to link your destiny with your love and nobody else could
possibly match the emotional level of your spiritual and
physical connection; least of all some complete stranger who is
misguided enough to think that they could do better. Marabas
teaches that all magic is driven by emotion and anyone who has
ever worked a REAL spell knows the operator can be utterly
exhausted by the effects. This is not the kind of self-sacrifice
people on the net will achieve on a repeat basis because it
actually affects the spellcasters' destiny as well. As Marabas
has said many times magick works on the operator equally to the
target - hence if you do NOT do it yourself the person getting
closer to your love is the witch offering to do it for you! This
can greatly complicate the relationship and actually work
against the twinning of both lovers' destinies. There will
always be misguided fools who think they can 'help' others with
magic in the same way that there will always be idiots who think
that giving to charity actually helps starving kids in the third
world and this is a measure of their immaturity. But if you
don't believe Marabas you are at liberty to pay the
spell-workers and find out the hard way.
Otherwise try his p100 Lovespell Kit and do it yourself. BB
Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Can a witch cast spells for someone
else? posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 02:29 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 02:31 PM
Hi, What we have here is an example of lack of self-worth due to
Alice having been de-empowered by Xist indoctrination to think
that she can't proactively do anything for herself but must
trust in 'experts' to do it for her. This idea is amply
perpetuated on the net where every conman and his brother
consistently insists that one has to be 'gifted' or 'powerful'
in order to work magic. This is not Alice's fault and, indeed,
learning the hard way with charlatans is one of the ways that
the gods empower people to take up their own destiny. Marabas
has quick way of bringing people like Alice round to the right
way of thinking. He asks 'Would you ask another person make love
to your heart's desire in your place? Then why ask them to do
your love magic for you? Makes you fink donnit? If Alice wants a
detailed reason why magick-worked-for-others can't work in this
way she should invest a fiver in reading
Marabas's OEXP066 on Karma and It's consequences
(http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm ) It could
save her a great deal of heartache and cash in the long run.
Better Still, why doesn't she just buy the best spellkit in the
world here and just DO IT!;-) BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Can a witch cast spells for someone
else? posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 06:38 PM
Hi Alice, don't touch them with a bargepole.....I've been a
victim of these type of offers before I 'found' the SA.....it
cost me more than just money. Stick with the SA, they are the
only genuine people I have found.
Topic RE: Can a witch cast spells for someone
else? posted by John User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Hi Alice,
I just replied to your other message on spells (on what is
N.A.N.
thread). The book I recommended by Marabas 'Candle-magick
spellbook'
addresses this issue of others doing magic for you. I would
certain
-ly avoid people advertising this as a first option. You could
check out the SA website area on consultations with Marabas if
you
have problems doing your own work or need personal advice.
This person on the internet is willing to join his karma willy
nilly
with others which wouldn't be a good idea. Does he offer an
unconditional money back guarantee if the magic doesn't work ?
If
not, could you be sure he'd even do some half-hearted ritual for
you ?
Best regards, John.
Topic Can a witch cast spells for someone
else? posted by Alice User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 11:58 AM
.......and if so, do these work? or does an individual have to
carry out their own spellwork? "Malewitch.com" is offering very
powerful spells which he says will do the trick?? Suggestions
anyone?
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Topic RE: Abramelin Magical squares
posted by Puretongue User
posted on May 27, 2009 at 01:49 PM
Hi William
I've recently read "21st Century Mage" by Jason Newcombe which
brings the Abramelin Process up to date. Worth a look if you're
considering taking it further.
Topic RE: Abramelin Magical squares
posted by William User
posted on May 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Many thanks to Puretongue, Denise and Imperial Wizard
for your replies here. Abramelin is a book I've had
on the shelves a long time but never really thought
I'd ever have much use for until recently I used a
Goetia talisman successfully and I began to wonder
about the magical squares. Loads of thoughts in my
mind about the intelligences connected to talismans
also especially Goetia and whether they may be collective
servitors created, and fed off the collective use and
belief of magicians over the centuries kind of like
Chaos magic servitors, or have you ever wondered if
it is the god/spirit/servitor who causes the chaoist
to 'create/evoke' it? Thanks again,
William.
Topic RE: Abramelin Magical squares
posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on May 25, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Its kinda funny you should be asking this because its something
I've toyed with doing myself and have recently come across a new
more comprehensive version of the book by Abraham von Worms,this
alleges to fill in alot of the gaps left by Mathers so is really
worth having if you're gonna have a dabble with the Abramelin
squares and I do believe one of the S.A Spellkits features one
of those squares so maybe you don't need to purify or contact
your HGA afterall.
Topic RE: Abramelin Magical squares
posted by Puretongue User
posted on May 25, 2009 at 11:13 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Hi There was an article in the Sorcerer's Apprentice house
magazine "The Lamp of Thoth" some years ago on this theme.
The item was by JH Brennan and suggested you could write the
squares to good effect without the purification.
However, in a recent book ("The Wizard's Apprentice" I believe),
Brennan describes some of the problems that later occurred for
someone who had done this. It is not clear whether this subject
is the same person or not.
I would recommend reading both if can.
[Infoburst: This is an intriguing point Puretongue and it comes
up time after time in theurgy. Marabas teaches that the
traditional approach is that the magician has to put his/her
house in order; to simplify and purify his/her ring-pass-not
before invoking the magical squares otherwise it will not be
strong enough to cope with the energies which result and may
'spill-over' to cause abberations elsewhere in the magician's
life. The modern approach is that providing one is mentally and
psychologically prepared (i.e. trained properly in control of
elemental powers etc - see the S.A.'s
Grimoire of The Shadows CD and our
Elemental
Symbol Cards for this) one can identify any overspill and
contain it before it causes any unwanted effects - which is the
same thing really as both approaches meet somewhere in the
middle (who amongst us is absolutely pure?). In any event most
of the overspill effects reported seem fairly inoccuous and
could be looked upon as an indication that the square is working
rather than a warning not to proceed. Perhaps forum uses should
embark on a collective experiment with one of the Abra Melin
acrostics?
Know, Dare, Will and keep silent!
BB Denise W.
Topic Abramelin Magical squares
posted by William User
posted on May 22, 2009 at 09:32 PM
I am interested to know whether the magical squares in the Book
of
the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage can be constructed as
Talismans
without one entering into the Abramelin system of purification
and
ritual, in other words, can the squares be copied on parchment,
and
consecrated for general use as a system of their own ? Has
anyone
tried using them ? How well did they work ?
Regards,
William
Topic RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ?
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 12:51 AM
SMCC, Magick works best for the operator because it works
through the operator. This does not mean that i cant change your
destiny by doing magic for you (ie. selling you a talisman that
we have chraged for you) but it would link my destany with yours
and as i dont know you that aint never gonna happen. This is an
honest answer... which is more than you are getting from these
money grabbing twats that claim to be Adept and advertise there
nonesense to the vunerable folk like yourselves.
Choose Wisely
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ?
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 12:35 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Witches of old had to be Cunning and the problems still remain,
and so too do we have to use our creativity so we can pass
ourselves off as "towing the line". The Candle Magick Spell kit
More Details here
comes with Chinese Wash to purify the area and tools so that any
space, or what appears to be every day items, can be used for
Ritual. The Chinese Wash and Candle Annointing Oil themselves
can be easily disguised with a quick label change. The candles
are just candles until charged and in most cases can be left to
burn away leaving no trace. Our only limitation is our
imagination!!!
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ?
posted by SMCC User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 08:55 AM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Hello,
I have a question about talismans and amulets, can they be
recharged with orgone beamers like some websites claim?
Also what do you think of the talismans other websites sell that
claim they don't need to be activated by the wearer or
recharged, can they work that way?
[Infoburst: I think they are revealing their lack of knowledge
and understanding. We have many times said that 95 of what
passes for occultism on the web is simply well-meaning ignorance
or people who will tell you anything you want to hear to make
buying from them easy. Marabas teaches that the charging of a
talisman is absolutely necessary because it acts as an astral
lens to focus the vibrations required into the ring-pass-not of
the magician, therefore the person wanting to use the talisman
MUST charge it in order to focus it. If a Talisman requires
charging then that charge will by qualification diminish over
time so it will require re-charging occasionally. Perhaps these
people whom you quote are confusing an Amulet (a magical device
which by virtue of its natural shape or quality emits particular
magical vibrations and propagates them in the immediate
vicinity) with Talismans; which are structured entirely by the
magician for a specific purpose. Amulets are essentially
naturally created Symbols whereas a Talisman is a representation
of the universe as the magician wants it to occur. One is the
universe imposing itself on the magician, the other is the
magician imposing him/herself on the universe. Listen to dimwits
and you become a diwmit - that's what Marabas says. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Candle-magic or Talismans best ?
posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 11:55 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Talismans still require a wee bit of ritual, whether making your
own or
activating one that's been made for you, although in the latter
case it's
quite simple needing maybe a candle and the right moon-phase and
consecrating
oil.(see the SA's talisman selection as a good starter).
Candle-magick
(actually FIRE magick) needs a full set-up so you'd need
privacy, but as M
suggests in his Candle-magick spellbook (chuck all yer new age
spellbooks
in the bin and get a copy of this !)
Click Here for More info
you could check into a hotel or use
someone else's place for the duration...
Topic Candle-magic or Talismans best ?
posted by RW User
posted on May 05, 2008 at 06:58 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 01:08 PM
I am fairly new to practical magic and have to be a bit
discreet, and at present couldn't have a lot of paraphernalia
around the house so I was wondering if Talismanic magic where
I could easily conceal a talisman would be as effective
as Candle-Magic (As this is the SA's forum, speaking in terms
of their offered items, would an SA talisman for wealth be
as efficient as a spellkit for wealth or using the said spell
from Candle Magick spellbook ?)...RW
[Infoburst: You are creating false choices here. It's like
asking whether Red is better than Green. Nothing is generally
better than everything else in genuine occult technique. The
reason why there are so many magical methods and techniques is
that humans are individuals and their lives are unique - hence a
one-size-fits-all mentality will not work. A rite or spell which
has been successful for others is a good indication that it will
work also for you but if your situation is particularly complex
or long-standing then a better result may be had using an
ancillary method. What is important is that you take up your
destiny and begin to use magic whichever method you start with,
because even if it doesn't produce a complete solution you will
still have taken the first step on the ladder to success and can
eliminate that to move on to additional techniques which will
give you what you need. So, it's horses for courses and without
knowing your exact situation it is difficult to advise. That is
why the S.A. has a free advice line. Email me in confidence and
we will advise you wnat to do. BB Denise Wadsworth
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Topic RE: Can I Send You Cash For An Order?
posted by Denise W User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:03 PM
Hi Beep, One or two other clients have pointed this out to us
before. Apparently the 'cybersitter' programs used by libraries
may bar you from logging on to the S.A. site because it has
'occult' content. This of course is to 'protect' any under-age
kids who use their computers. (so much for lack of censorship in
the web!) If you have a word with your librarian they will
usually re-designate our url so that adults can surf our site.
As we don't sell things to under 18s the librarian shouldn't
have a problem with releasing our site. Let me know if it works.
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Can I Send You Cash For An Order?
posted by Beep User
posted on April 04, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Well Denise, that's fine for Barry Old Client but my problem is
that I haven't got a bloody telephone! I use Internet Cafes
whenever I need anything so that dodge about printing out the
order form and posting in the order will be very useful to me.
Now here's a thing - I did once use a computer at my local
library and I couldn't locate the S.A. on it. I thought I had
written the website address down wrongly but it checked out okay
when I got back home. Why was that? BEEP
Topic RE: Can I Send You Cash For An Order?
posted by Denise W User
posted on April 02, 2008 at 08:08 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:35 AM
That's a good way, RicenPeas. Here's another. UK residents have
traditionally just sent cash and Old Client can take heart,
there really is no difference from the Old Days - we still have
thousands of clients who actually prefer to pick up a pen, write
out their order and send it in by post. Mail-order is still the
bulk of our business and our website is an extension of that.
True, we've been going so long that some of our established
clients are too long in the tooth to bother with computers ;-)
but even the silver surfers and the computer Nerds amongst our
clientelle often choose to order by mail because they don't
trust the net or want to keep their transactions off their
credit card statement and away from prying eyes. People can
still use POs or Cash just like in the old days. It takes a
couple of days longer for your order to get to us in the post
compared withthe instantaneous nature of ordering on-line but
despatch is by return so we are often still quicker than some
on-line outfits. Go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/cashcond.htm for details
of how to do it. Go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/orderfor.htm for an order
form you can print out which leads you through the process.
Basically all you need do is make a note of the stockcodes and
prices of the items you need whilst surfing, write these on the
printed out order form, and post off to us along with your
remittance. Easy peasy. If you are still unsure about how to do
it just email me on
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk. BB Denise W.
Topic check this out
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 01, 2008 at 05:41 PM
i had the same problem. wot i did is go to 3v.com and register
for a 3v card. its a pay as you go credit card. you buy vouches
at a local outlet and use it to open a paypal account which the
S.A. accepts, or as a visa card anywhere online. full
instructions on the site. good luck
terry
Topic Can I Send You Cash For An Order?
posted by Old Client User
posted on April 01, 2008 at 05:17 PM
Hi everyone at the S.A. I hope all is well with you. Denise, You
probably don't remember me but I used to call at the shop many,
many years ago when the S.A.was open for browsing. I've recently
got into computers and stumbled across your website which I
really like and am attracted to several products (I used Ruthvah
many years ago to good effect! ;-) ) but I don't have a credit
or debit card - won't give them houseroom - so I seem to be in a
kind of financial limbo. I don't like cards because I want to
keep my purchases private. Is there any other way? Can I send
you Cash through the post like before? Remember me to Mark, Phil
and Simon if they still work there. Barry, Old Client
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Topic Drugs posted by
Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 02:09 AM
The main point is that there should be a relavent framework.
Drugs certainly open the mind but much control can be lost via
this, unless ones mind can be anchored to the intended act.
Again experience life as you will. Purely subjective but no less
valuable but not for everyone. Disclaimer on every level unless
it works for u not advicated.
Topic RE: Can the use of drugs be spiritually
valuable? posted by John D. User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 04:35 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:43 AM
The controversy about drugs is shot-through with the kind of
self-righteous humbug which disables any sensible discussion. In
this climate any genuine debate stands a good chance of being
wildly accused of promoting Drug use and if we want to retain
free speech on this forum we should be careful in how it is
portrayed. This is a very important subject anthropologically in
connection with religious observance and the evolution of
medicine.
We have therefore opened up some guidelines for discussion on
this or any other thread which concerns drug usage.
There are plenty of forums on legalising drugs etc. The SAEF is
for discussion on the ESOTERIC aspects as it applies to
shamanistic magic since the dawn of mankind.
Every culture has a history of sacred drug usage. Substances
which enabled the priests and priestesses of their religions to
atone with their gods. Many of the greatest painters and poets
throughout history have taken various substances to heighten
their understanding of life and the human condition. Without the
sacred use of drugs our cultures simply would not have evolved
as they have. Without an understanding of the use of 'drugs' by
ancient soothsayers the pharmaecological properties of plants
would not be known today and people the world over would be
suffering needlessly.
Thus when an occultist talks of 'drugs' or mind alterning
substances we are not talking of 'recreational drugs'
but of sacred substances which open doors in the mind to enable
greater understanding. Discussions about drugs in this forum
should be limited to the sacred use of substances in their
historical context.
Regards, John Dennis
[Inforburst: Anyone unsure of how sacraments are used should
read Marabas's
OEXP102 Free Spirit Through the use of Plant Substances.
Topic RE: Can the use of drugs be spiritually
valuable? posted by andy User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Hi there. Red Dragon let me point out that if you asked
virtually any British person if they had any 'unfortunate'
experiences whilst under the 'affluence of incohol' then the
answers from most would be yes. Everybody who gets drunk will at
some point wake the next day and think, ''Oh my God, I did'nt do
that did I''?! Two options: firstly, never drink again or
secondly, feel a little ashamed and then get over it! Simple. As
to any other drugs being used in ritual then in my opinion the
answer should be a big no. Any form of experimentationion with
drugs can lead to further experimentation with stronger
substances. I know of too many people who are now regular
cocaine users/heroine users and they all started with a bit of
cannabis experimentation and went from there because they found
they 'liked' it.
Topic RE: Can the use of drugs be spiritually
valuable? posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 26, 2007 at 11:12 PM
In reply to Red Dragon's post, the viewpoints expressed are mine
and solely mine and are not the views of the S.A. just me,
myself, and I.
Yep, no doubt about it Red Dragon if used cautiously, I would
say drugs can be spiritually valuable in loosening the girders
of the soul so to speak. One has to test the information
gathered via drugs as in any other cases of spiritual
exploration, the method used being something like gematria,
qabalah correspondences etc (or whatever method one finds
efficacious). Its a matter of choice, one will use them others
will not. If it is one's will to use drugs in their quest for
attaining, then so be it. I just feel that those who do should
not be held in contempt for doing so by others, and that
information gathered by the use of drugs does not always equal
false spiritual knowledge. If information gathered under the
influence of drugs is tested and held to be valid according to
whatever system one uses for testing (i.e. correspondences,
gematria etc), then there is no reason why that information
should not be put forward as just as valid as that gathered
under more "rigid" methods.
Topic Can the use of drugs be spiritually
valuable? posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 26, 2007 at 08:28 PM
My opinions are NOT those of the S.A. or any affiliated members,
they are purely pesonal view points.
I do not reccomend taking drugs (Unless prescribed by one's
G.P.)
to anyone, however, I recently had an unfortunate experience
with alchohol, widely used and available, yet possibly the most
dangerous of all drugs. Personally, I might prepare for Ritual
by partaking of 'strange drugs', finding this morally
acceptable, and, used with extreme care,beneficial. No doubt
there are those who will damn my words. I would remind any
pro-drug writers to add a disclaimer, that your views are not
those of the S.A. or any other member; also this is a very
sensitive issue, and words should be carefully thought
through,(if you will.)With considration of those who will read
your words. I hope this is of value.
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Topic RE: Cats and Physic pets
posted by AnnB User
posted on May 29, 2010 at 05:37 PM
Riceand Peas How are things with the baby and the dog all well I
hope look after that girl of yours Keep well and safe
Topic Cats and Pyshics
posted by AnnB User
posted on February 02, 2010 at 03:37 PM
Great news glad to see all going well. Keep well and keep safe
Blessings with the baby
Topic RE: Cats and Physic pets
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on January 31, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Howaya Anne, just a quick note to say "Howaya". Everthing is
going GREAT with me too. My girlfriend and I have just come back
from India and we are moving into a beutiful new home expecting
our first baby!!! We also got ourselves a dog that we decided to
name "Ramsey Dukes" on acount of his light hearted but
challenging nature. I will get back to writting soon but for now
have the best of Luck and take care.
Ricenpeas
Topic Cats and Physic pets
posted by Ann B User
posted on December 28, 2009 at 09:54 AM
I have just been readin forum havent looked at it for months
trying to recover am now a lot better and seeing things as they
should be, I held a Medium eveing for the support of Brainwave a
childs Charity for children born with disabilties there I
received a message clarifying what I had been trying to
understand for a while. It stated clearly that I was to take my
learnings and use to pass onto younger people hopefully trotting
them off onto their correct paths.so have been doing this,
holding one to one classes and they seem to be going the way
that was intended for them. This helps me as I can not do the
physical as much as would like, but am seeing that there is a
place for me in this world. Have done a lot of travelling and
found a great deal of peace.Also my late daughter is continually
with me guiding even to the point of which earrings to wear,
which she always wants to be pearls. (pearls for tears so they
say but she is happy enough) Rice and Peas you are the reason
have answered after all this time, I still regard you as someone
who is special and will hopefully go a long way
Topic RE: Cats & Psychic
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 22, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Hi Anne, This thread did not pan out to well. It was not my plan
to offend you personaly and i am sorry for the messy feelings it
may have generated. I just wanted to discuss why magick
rebounds. My examples were way off the mark due to a
misunderstanding of the "equations of magick" in Liber Kaos by
Peter Carroll. This misunderstanding had me seperate the
perceived from the perceiver, hence my materialistic approach.
Our Karma can be a bitch if we resist her (she likes to move) so
lets just say lessons learnt.
Always about if you wanna discuss
Ricenpeas
Topic Cats & Psychic
posted by AnnB User
posted on May 31, 2009 at 09:42 AM
Denise hi yes I am extremely unwell at the moment and feeling
very sensitive and tired my back has broken a lot more and its
increasingly hard to walk. I never intended for the example I
quoted to be seen of anything about Karma this particular person
is just a person that delights in spreading rumours about people
and watching everyone fight each other I have never joined in
though she has made many attempts on me to me this is where the
reap what you sow comes back she is now a very lonely person as
no one will trust her or confide in her. I hold many peoples
secret thoughts and they will stay that way. My interest lies
mainly in protecting the young and guiding them when I can when
I was young I tried all avenues and came to the right path yes
when I was deeply troubled the left hand path did come into my
mind but not for long I lead a gentle quiet life meditation
every day having young and old come to me when they are troubled
for counselling and protection. My magick is good and pure never
used for evil which what am always trying to put across evil
gets you nowhere I had feelings for Rice@Peas and did honestly
feel that he was singling me out for my beliefs Being unwell
perhaps I saw things in the wrong way have been divining and
come to this conclusion to Rice@Peas I send Love and hope we can
get back on the path that really brings us all together My
Charlotte cat in spirit has taken to following us down the road
to the market as we used to keep her in when we went down town
now we have no choice than to let her come. Also my mind has
been distracted by the death suddenly of a very dear friend she
is happy now in spirit and that is good. Im glad you like my
input and have decided to try again.
Topic Cats & Psychic
posted by AnnB User
posted on May 28, 2009 at 09:38 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Well at last Denise has explained what Ive been trying to say
for a long time no one questions Denise which is good but I say
again I have seen many harmful things done to someone and
eventually it all came back on her nothing to do with magic it
just seems as though let us say people always reap what they
sow. So am now signing off too ill and sad off the way Im always
pin pointed as the one to pick on so please no more to say and
that I believe I have always led my life as a good witch and I
hope a good person doesnt get you anything but grief seems to me
no more kindly advice will come from me also I have read Marx
Descartes Rousseau Baudeliere and do not confuse this philosophy
with Magick
[Infoburst: You can't be feeling well today AnnB which is why
you have misinterpreted the general discussion as an attack on
your goodself which no-one involved has intended. Live to fight
another day; - your comments are valued and feel free to
criticise me any time ;-). There is no conflict with most of
what you say but you are confusing the errant New-Age view of
Karma with cause and effect.
Marabas's
OEXP066 explains how people create their own future by willed
ambition or by DEFAULT, thus people create their own
heaven and hell by their actions, or lack of them. As ultimately
we all come from One and return to One any action against the
flow of the universe is a form of self-harm which will create
repercussions in one's future. If we could not create our own
futures then magick would not work. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on May 23, 2009 at 07:13 PM
edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Im new to the idea of 3 fold return. I cant belive that the
Universe which expresss both spontinuaty and causality can can
give me an exact 3 for 1, unless i divide my whole into 3.
Though I reap what I sow is more than evident.
Karmic retribution hits those who belive in it because we
manifest our belifes. Marx says we only drown in water because
we belive in gravity but when you have spent your whole life
stuck to the earth this belife to walk on water would have to be
a pure one.
Im sure theres lots more to learn here which is why I raised the
subject with a rehtorical gambit.
Ricenpeas
Hi Ricenpeas, Good Point. M says that the 'law of threefold
return' is an epithet not a statement of cosmic mechanics. It
was originally used to try emphasise the fact that all magic
(good or bad) may have consequences beyond that which the
beginner may expect or account for and thus all magic requires
deep thought and divination backed by disinterested wisdom
before an operation is begun. (E.G. If extending the life of a
loved one involved shortening your own should and could you do
it? )The idea of 'the law of threefold return' has been
worked-up in error by many latterday neo-pagans who have not
escaped the thrall of Xist indoctrinated morality into some kind
of cosmic retribution when it is nothing of the kind. BB Denise
W.
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 21, 2009 at 05:42 PM
Thanks for the lesson Dennise, some exellent food for thought.
Both Marabas and Peter Carroll influence me enourmously and it
does send me in a spin Is my uderstanding of Principia Magica
wrong or, as I suspect, have I just over simplified? I shall
look forwards to coming back to this thread after a some
thought. I would like Ricenpeas to be of some use to this sight
as well as to me so please exuse this awkward phase Im currently
in and give me a good kick if I need it.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 18, 2009 at 02:37 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 01:51 PM
Hi JG, I have given 2 examples of misapplied Magick (something
which can not be igored for the sake of beginners). And I hope
the examples will push people to getting propper techical advice
from Geuine Adepts with Geuine experience. Magick Works!!! Im a
novice not an Adept and I am easily put in my place, but I do
have questions for the sake of my and all's evolution. Morality,
Karma and Retrbiution OXEP 066 is definatly a must for any one
concerned about this thread, and thanks for the imput. :)
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst: Marabas says that in this ongoing debate about magic
and the law of threefold return it is common currency for faulty
logic to be used and we should strive hard to avoid it. People's
lives are not static and experience the flux of good and bad
things all the time. In the incidences of things that go from
bad to worse in people's lives it is not possible without
detailed analysis of six months before and six months after the
stated point to ascertain exactly what caused the occurrence but
the 'C follows B therefore A indirectly causes C' argument is
often used to validate these stories and is very faulty. It's
the equivalent of saying that because Hitler was a vegetarian
sooner or later all vegetarians will become genocidal dictators.
;-) Can someone answer the question as to why karmic retribution
only ever seems to occur to people who believe in karmic
retribution? BB Denise W.]
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posted by JG User
posted on April 18, 2009 at 01:09 PM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Hi, Ann, R&P, I feel I had to join in and add my imput. You
talk of magic rebounding and of a spell to make someone like
another person which actually caused the person harm. Reading
your messages may well scare beginners from using magic at all I
felt. It will be interesting to hear other peoples views but
bare in mind the S.A sell a spellkit for revenge which is
balanced so that no harm comes to the user. Also,
have you read Marabas's OEXP 066?
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 09:28 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 01:39 PM
Lol Anne, i pay good money for the heebie jeebies. I have had
your writtings in my mind for nearly a year now so apologies if
i've jumped on you out of the blue, but all im looking for is
some respectfull debate. Sorry if my example offended. There was
no intent, i was just repeating a tale. Another, and more
tactful, tale i have is of my girlfriends mother who wanted her
sons work mates to like him as there was some conflict. So, she
used a spell. He got ran over and all the work mates visited him
in hospital, felt sorry for him, and the conflict was gone. This
was a error in her application of Magick though it does ot fit
as nicely.
"a Whitch saying about rebounding is An it harm no one do what
ye Will" My question would be ..Is this a technical statement
implyig that the uiverse punishes those who harm others or a
moral statement based on a particular Whitch's experiances?
With fraternal respect
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst: Presumably you were asking Annb the question
rhetorically? A quick glance at history will prove that evil is
not punished. Often people with the greatest blood on their
hands are lauded as great persons (Genghis Khan, Alexander, etc.
Marabas teaches that the idea of
cosmic retribution comes from the conscience. Corrupt
priesthoods use this compassion to control those who submit to
their world-view. We know when we do something mean and thus the
priests can impose guilt upon us. Part of magical training is to
break the chains of this indoctrination and set our minds free.
(see Secrets of Mind Control) People who spread warnings about
the law of threefold return without thinking about it are
unliberated and will punish themselves unconsciously sooner or
later, whatever they do; but Magic itself does not rebound in
the way that your examples illustrate.
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets
posted by AnnB User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 04:21 PM
Rice an peas Hello I didnt realise I was giving you the heebie
jeebies or am I getting the message wrong. I am trained in
pschology and pyschiatry so perhaps see things in a more
rational angle sometimes people analyse too much.A Witch's
saying about rebounding is An it harm no one do what ye will
This is the idealogy I have always tried to live my life by of
course Ive tripped up now and again who hasnt
Your compensation remark about broken backs wasnt very tactful
as I too have a broken back as the result of a car doing 80mph
landing in the back of our stationery vehicle at a traffic stop
on a country road, no amount of compensation could account for
pain endured every day though meditation helps also having a
deal of friends helps too. I am a lot older than you of course
and made youthful errors but they are a learning curve.At
present am very unwell as my compnsatory back has gone onto
another level and the walking is geting a lot harder But I
travel astrally also in mind away from the bed so am quite
happy. Take care and do realise that badness can rebound back
onto the bringer I have seen it time and time again
Topic RE: Cats and Pyschic Pets
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 02:27 AM
Hi Anne, hope all is well. If I may, I would like to respectfuly
challage one of your ideas about Magick "rebouding". I tried to
tackle it before but due to youth I came across a bit arrogant.
From what i can see, there seems to be 2 elements at play here
1 Subconscience resistance... ie The Gods are trying to teach us
something
2 Physical resistance... this is best understood from the tale
of the person who enchants for a fortune only to break there
back and recieve compensation as that was the easiest path for
the magick to manifest.
Methinks holding these 2 ideas in our heads we can give other
more technical advice and avoid giving people the eeby jeebies.
What say ye Sister
Ricenpeas
Topic Cats and Pyschic Pets
posted by AnnB User
posted on November 30, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Hello all been away a long time been trying to get to grips with
expressionism post impressionism in art have finally clicked I
hope if this has any funny words written backwards please
excusethe Me has decided to pay a visit anyway enough of that.
Im writing to say my cat Charlotte who passed over and has been
helping me with John's husband beliefs he always had said he
isnt a believer and thas fine with me although sometimes I
threaten to turn him into a frog but he must have to admit that
witchcraft works as I worked a spell and along he came how glad
was I that it bought someone good well the other day we were
just going out and we both heard a bell tinkling how did she get
out John asked me of Millie, so we turned round nothing there
just the tinkling of her little bell now she can follow us to
her hearts content and not be put back indoors.Also strangely my
late husband has been travelling about with us when we go to
Chelsmford on the country bus,for someone who always went by car
it must be quite novel. He just sits at the back quietly looking
out of the window.Well will everyone have a peaceful Yuletide
And a special big hug goes to Spike
Topic Physcic Cats & Pets
posted by AnnB User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 03:23 PM
Hello everyone Im here again of course been under the weather
again I get bored with it so will not go on about it.
My new cat Millie is seeing spirit she watches i walk across the
ceiling absolutely fascinated and Im fascinated watching her
what a wonderful gift they cannot vrbally share with us. She has
seen the other black cat (sweep or charlotte) trotting round and
looks at them full of wonder. My dog Jack is very good at
knowing when I am unwell I was doing my level best to sweep the
gardenleaves up but he would not let me just stood in front of
me and I couldnt budge I tried to go round the other side of the
wishing well in the garden but he beat me to it so I gave in
very unraciously. Now when I get out of bed he follows me
everywhere and if in the other room and he feels Im in trouble
he will go fetch his Dad How blessed I am we really dont deserve
this adoration but we have itand should be very grateful which I
truly am.
Not quite sure where to put this piece of news but my guide
Indian brave and wolf paid me a visit to say that I would be
invited to a regression and no way was I to follow through with
it. Sure enough a young friend who is learning from me and
others came round with the thought I turned it down he must have
a good reason for this action and trusting him implicitly I have
followed his words.Take Care all Rice & Peas hello Rex are
you well Denise Blessings
Topic Cats & Psychich Pets
posted by AnnB User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Many thankyous Mrs.J. Yes a Rite of Passage is essential if they
wish to return hurrah if not so be it.
I must say the little imp (6 years old when he died) who I have
written about for he drowned in his gardens pond and was by it
one day when he looked up to see it nothing of course to do with
the pets must this little man came home with me and has settled
and has great delight turning over the channels on my tv it
drives me to distraction but there you go what can you do.
Be blessed Mrs.J. and write again Im glad this forum has taken
off
it was Denise who suggested it so she must be awarded the
plaudits
I know crawling again. Millie the new cat is making great
strides and of course once again Dad is besotted him and his
girls.
AnnB
Topic RE: Cats and DogsPsychic Pets
posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 10:14 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM
[infoburst:
Welcome Mrs J.
I would say a rite of passing is essential because it actually
does the reverse of what you appear to think it does. A rite of
passage does not irretrievably remove a pet's spirit from the
physical world but rather builds bridges between worlds. It also
helps the pet-owners come to terms with the immediate loss - a
very valuable function. That link can then be used later, when
and if necessary, by the animal and/or the pet owners.
A rite of passing should be more than a mere eulogy and it was
the lack of a good Passing Rite which prompted Marabas to write
one. If you want to read how it should be done then try
Marabas's OEXP067
(ANCIENT EGYPTIAN FUNERARY RITE FOR PETS / ANIMALS:)
because it is a brilliant re-working and I believe can make all
the difference. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Cats and DogsPsychic Pets
posted by Mrs J User
posted on July 10, 2008 at 01:31 AM
Hi AnnB this is a nice thread. You have brought about a
gentleness from some of the forum contributors, you are, I
sense, a very special lady.
We have always had dogs and they have all seen presences. They
watch entities walk around the room and smell up their legs. I
would like to pass on an experience I had with one of our family
pets. We homed her from the RSPCA, an overweight jack russel
whom we renamed Nellie. They told us she was four years old.
However, three years later she was crippled with arthritis and
her hair turned white so I suspect a few extra years was added
onto her. Dogs in our home went together with kids. I never
considered any pet a familiar as I had never had spiritual
experiences with them apart from Nellie and this wasnt until
her death. We had gone out fishing but had to turn back when the
sea turned rough. We pulled the boat up the steep gravel drive
from the beach and my husband was in a ghastly mood. Nellie was
running up the side of the boat and I remember telling my
husband for gods sake dont run the dog over and then decided
to get out and run with her. The kids did too and when I sensed
no more danger I started back to the house. One of the children
shouted me and as I looked up Nellie was looking at me she
needed help I ran as quickly as I could but within a few
minutes of me getting there Nellie was dead she had had a
massive heart attack. My son who was holding her told me it was
ok that she was only sleeping he lay her on the gravel and I
put my hand on her body. Her heart had stopped but the blood
kept pumping around her body slowly so it looked liked she was
still breathing but I knew from her eyes there would be no
revival. From the bellows of my stomach I screamed I screamed
as loud as I could and in that instant Nellie took me with her
through her last breaths I can only describe the passing on as
when you are half asleep and half awake semi conscious, very
peaceful and noises nulled and then we were in summerland. I
have heard the other side described as this before and that is
truly what it looked like we were in the same place and still
the same spirits but it was brighter and thus felt warmer. I
could see with such clarity and there was such peacefulness and
no senses of emotion at all. Nellie was looking at me and then
at her lying body and she really did not make any sense of it at
all and then I was back in our vibration and everything looked
gray to what I had experienced. Nellie wouldnt leave my side
she only ever did this when she needed help. When we got home we
bought a cherry tree and buried her under this. We did a passing
rite for her. She walked into the ether but she didnt really
want to go she wanted to stay with us. I still miss her and
that was three years ago.
Ann B I thought long and hard about sharing this but after
reading your comments about clearing it brought to me a terrible
thought maybe she did not want me to help her this way maybe
she just wanted to hang around but I thought I was helping her
to move on.
Maybe next time one of our pets dye I will think long and hard
before doing a passing rite.
Regards
Topic Cats Psychic Pets
posted by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:11 PM
Many thank you my friend Rex am feeling a lot better now an
ready to prattle. John is a kind gentleman but when I am unwell
and misbehave (over do it) he becomes a real tyrant my own fault
of course.Anyway thought would tell you about Pumpkin she was
the runt of the litter living on a farm just up the road to my
bungalow My lat husband had bought her home and we took her to
the vet to check her over he was always bringing home cats that
were in trouble and they were all loved but the vet looked at
this tiny bundle she is a waste of time give her 6 months thats
all Frank just picked up the little one saying we'll see about
that and we tookher home she died about 6 years ago never got
any bigger used to sit in my hand a the great age of 20years.
Frank died in hospital in 1989 Brompton Hosp in London, so there
was no way that animal could know but the night he died she went
outside the house and refused to come in I had to feed her
outside make her a littlehome in the greenhouse all through the
bad weather she wouldnt come in. Then along came John and we
married in six months and what happened in came Pumpkin to live
indoors again
straight onto John's lap and she hooked him completely.She died
peacefully in my arms we both howled and let Charlotte into our
lives.
Another strange cat was Harold when I was on nights at hospital
he was always waiting at the bus stop when I came home weird
isnt it.
So Rex perhaps your cat is the same they are strange creatures
though wonderful, no wonder the Egyptians worshipped them they
surely had the right idea.
Take CAre all
RiceandPeas they can drive you to distraction I know
AnnB
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Topic Get Well soon posted
by Rex User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 05:03 PM
Ann,
My thoughts are with you, May the Gods bless you for a speedy
recovery to good health.
Rex
Topic Cats & Psychic
posted by AnnB User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 04:45 PM
Thank you for all the input coming into this forum
I am a tad unwell at present and only being allowed to send a
small message and not prattle for hours. Having been sedated for
almost two days and just coming round? Will write in a few days
But keep your input coming Denise works hard for us all
and hello to Rex and rice@peas JOhn and Denise
See you in a few days when next on planet earth
Ann x
Topic Im a Howler posted
by ricenpeas User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Howaya Anne, Rex. Its a sunny Irish day and im on top form. Ive
rescude 2 cats from people who couldnt be bothered. 1 was a
timmed kitten who had never been let out. Got him his
injections, extended his bounderies and Bobs your uncle a few
months later hes a tiger. Aaaaahh. Gave him away to a friend.
The other was more a lesson for me. I grew up in a house full of
cidar swiging crusties and aswell as many dogs there was an evil
cat. It was never fed, never let out so shat everywhere. These
were obviously contributing factors to why the cat was evil but
that didnt prepare me for the heinous crime it was about to
commit. One still and pleasent evening i was happily preparing a
bit of dinner, whistling to the sound of stoners coughing, when
the evil cat jumped up and nicked my stake. MY STAKE. Obviously
i went on a 1 man crusaid and cought the unrepentant bugger, put
both my hands round its neck and ........ No chance, couldnt do
it. It just wasnt in me. A very strange feeling of having a life
in your hands and i learnt alot about my own limitations. I
catnaped the cat and gave him to someone who could shoe the
Devil from him and as far as i know it led a good honest life
after all. I never tolled the crusty girl what i had done nor
will i ever. I have a dog now. Big stupid head on her.
All the best
Ricenpeas
Topic Cats & Psychic Pets
posted by AnnB User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Rex Thankyou
Rice&Peas Are you well
Denise W Hello
Will write tomorrow when feeling a bit brighter
BB Ann
Topic RE: Cats posted by
Rex User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 11:54 PM
I should also add that the old boy will just not live in the
house.
I have tried but when his original owner passed away the next
owner fed
him but didn't/wouldn't(?) take him in. Subsequently he is now
fully an
outdoor cat though I do have a bed for him in the shed which he
likes
complete with sheepskin rug.
Rex.
Topic RE: Cats posted by
Rex User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 01:55 PM
Hello Ann,
Thank you for your invite to speak about my cat which I will:
I have an old Tom who has been visiting my back kitchen window
for many years, occasionally will come into the kitchen as I
leave the window open. He is a wise old fellow and was the
resident here two owners back previous to myself and never moved
on. I leave my shed door open so he always has a place of
shelter.
So he's not really 'my cat' but we have a mutual fondness for
one another and I always enjoy his coming to the window for a
feed
and a psychic chat.
All the best,
Rex.
Topic Cats posted by AnnB
User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 07:48 PM
I have a vsit from my dog(Rottie) who is in spirit together with
my black cat Sweep. The animals we have now are very aware of
them and will often stare at where they are but are not at all
afraid which is good as I would hate for the spirit ones to have
to be cleared.My husband always tells the dog what tie hes
coming home and he gets up tp go t meet him at just the right
time. He also knows when John is getting on the train at Weston
Super Mare where he was visiting his mum as he becoes agitated
at that time and wont settle properly until he arrives home.what
great creatures they are
I hope someone else joins in this column Id hate to be the only
star of this particular forum.My Baby cat is now sleeping with
my expensive baby doll ade of porcelain lying in the moses
basket resting her head on his tummy c'est la vie
Topic RE: Cats and Psychic Pets
posted by ann B User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 08:54 PM
Hi John thank you for your reply I do believe in the ability of
cats to know what is happening and acting upon it.Our new cat is
but a baby and full of play as the nets and blinds and the fish
Lily will certify.
I did have a cat Harold who used to wait at the bus stop when I
finished the night shift and walked up the road with me cannot
explain it. Our dogs always know when their dad is due home even
from Weston Super Mare when hes getting on the train weird but
strange
Hope other folks join in and if anyone has any poetry about cats
our Moggie Mag of CPL would be very happy to print no reward
just the glory of being a funny little journal
BB
Ann B
Topic RE: Cats and Psychic Pets
posted by John User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 05:54 PM
Hi Ann,
Used to work for RSPCA long time ago and was always bringing
animals home so they could avoid the needle a bit longer !
I've had a good few cats but at present I have several small
dogs. I'm always amused at how many cats can freeze themselves
into seeming invisibility so my dogs will walk right past,
oblivious to their presence or even their smell.
My dogs can always sense when I'm due home from work and will
go to the bedroom window to get a view of the road, and I finish
at varying times so it's not a body-clock thing. They do the
same with my wife.
Regards,
John.
Topic Cats and Psychic Pets
posted by Ann B User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 04:20 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Hi there I wonder how many esotericists are CPL(CPR) members
like me? I have an intrinsic insight to cats they are
intelligent funny outrageous and good companions.I have just
lost my darling burmese cat Charlotte she died in my and her
dads arms after we wrapped her up and took her to bed with us
she is buried in the garden with our other pets(not the dogs as
they were too big) we talk to them regularly knowing where each
is lying we have planted trees or bushes over them, the dogs
having their own tree. Charlotte was a special cat as we her and
I used to talk a lot, she often spoke words, like why
incessantly and no two of her favourite, she also M liked to do
the emailing and was always sitting on my lap when I was trying
to type. We now have a baby cat and all that goes with that the
blinds being used literally as skate boards the china of the
dresser is in great danger also, but she has filled the void
left my darling she isnt ready to commune yet but we are talking
to her so will let you know just now all she wants to do eat and
play. I hope this starts a good thread with cat lovers all of
our denomination should I feel have a connection with all
animals and nature. One last thing before I sign off as I tend
to prattle My cousin has a Newfoundland dog who will not behave
for anyone. He comes up to me sits down and gives me his paw, we
are defintely on the same wavelength. NO one in my family except
my son and husband can understand this as they do not believe as
I do.
Take Care
Blssed Be. Continue and grow
Ann B
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Topic Chaosphere on Youtube
posted by abrxs93 User
posted on May 02, 2009 at 04:17 AM
Excellent to hear the introduction snippet from the Chaosphere
experience
on Youtube. Well done for allowing this to remain posted.
Thanks.
Topic RE: Chaosphere cassette excerpt/s
posted on Youtube posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Greetings John, Thank you for your timely warning. The person
responsible for this breach of our copyright has explained his
position which is not one of financial gain and he has complied
with all our requirements in connection with it.
As you are probably aware from previous incidents, had this been
an attempt to pirate the recording then Marabas would have
excercised maximum Geburic energies upon those responsible
through the legal process but upon reflection he sees no need to
be punitive to seekers who make genuine mistakes and so to
further promote the interests of Chaos Magick has agreed that
the first excerpt only of the recording can be kept on Youtube
as a kind of 'sampler' of the tape for newcomers, providing
links are also included to our webpage for it.
Thus with the wisdom of Solomon a negative will turn into a
positive for everyone. The Youtube page now also carries an
'authorised' history of the tape and the early Chaos scene as it
connects with the S.A. and a link to this forum thread on it so
the situation can be monitored.
Full details of the Chaosphere (now on CD) can be seen here.
Thank you for your keen observation of the breach of our
copyright. Marabas will be writing to you separately with a
reward for your loyalty. Have a good Beltaine. BB Denise
Wadsworth
Scribe to Marabas
Topic Chaosphere cassette excerpt/s posted on
Youtube posted by John K User
posted on April 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM
edited on April 22, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Dear Friends at Sorcerer's Apprentice,
I have just noticed there is at least one excerpt of your
Chaosphere recording
posted on Youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-tAF5kHRQc
labelled chaos magick cassette tape 1986 (excerpt), described
as:
First 10 minutes from side A, 1986
chaos magick cassette tape.
Copyright 1986 Sorcerers Apprentice Leeds
Best Regards,
John K.
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Topic Chaosphere CD posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Thanks for the advice, I have just paid £10 for Liber Null S.A.
collectors edition. Its P.O. box number was 888.
Love it
Ricenpeas
Topic What is the best spell for revenge?
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 19, 2008 at 07:56 PM
I will stop patronising when you start being more thoughtfull to
the time we give you. Would you like to re-phrase the question?
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ??
posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 19, 2008 at 06:06 PM
what are you on about??
could you use simple plain English please and also try NOT TO
PATRONISE!!!
Topic RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ??
posted by A Watcher. User
posted on September 10, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Dear anonynon,
Is it your karma or this forum person you are trying to steer?
Karma is performed through people, you cannot restrict the will
of others by barking orders.
Will you ever grasp these simple concepts?
Your personal experience of karma is not good reason to impose
your universe on others. Learn, break through the wall.
Learn=evolve, devolve to the slime if you must.
Please, do not restrict the growth of others any further.
Topic RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ??
posted by Anonynon User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 10:52 AM
is it your karma or your friends your trying to steer????? Best
stick to your own affairs!!!
Topic The buck stops here.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 05, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Dear One and All,
The Astral concept 'Babalonuit888' became a physical reality,
long before my expected launch date, in '09, although the
Quickening, launched 08/08/08 has obviously been successful.
A puzzling Astral vision, 4-6 months ago, shows 100+ people
worldwide are using this banner.
As I am the conduit for all this, and able to look after myself,
I take responsibility for comments made in this name. I.E. If
you have any queries regarding the banner entries, this i.p , or
any other, please contact me, that I can clarify matters.
Thankyou.
Best Wishes, YITGW, nome (NEMO)
Topic RE: TO BABALONUIT888 RE: Progress.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 05, 2008 at 09:49 AM
Dear Hannah,
If you will, (Feel it is truly your inner desire/wish), Please
update us on your progress. We can All learn from each other.
Best Wishes.
Topic RE: TO BABALONUIT888 RE: Progress.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 07:32 PM
Hi Hannah,
Thanks for your comments, flattery will get you everywhere!
Seriously, I try to aid fellow aspirants as best able, hadn't
realised my ideas were intelligable, let alone insightful!
Well, I'm still here, then away for a while. I generally
reccomend Ricenpeas for advice, He may be referring to a spell
that
Fr. Marabus composed, which I've used. Your cause seems
righteous, very important, that one has the assured confidence
to perform the spell. The behaviour/situation you describe, is
despicable.
In my case, I used the spell against a nasty 'man', who did me a
terrible wrong. Did it work? Well, He fled the area! Very
effective.
Very best wishes, Hannah. If you're unclear about any aspect,
I'm sure someone will here will help you. Bye for now.
Topic RE: BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ??
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 06:41 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:10 PM
If it has to be done Hannah then best do it properly. Marabas
does a spell kit for Revenge/Vidication/To Right an Injustice.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm
You can start a new threads in the
Topicslist page. Keeps it all userfriendly. :)
Ricenpeas
Topic BEST SPELL FOR REVENGE ??
posted by HANNAH User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:18 PM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 01:33 PM
My friend has been cheated on and now I wish to exact a little
revenge..........any ideas??
[Infoburst: Hanna, why are you wasting time asking people on
this thread how to work a Revenge Spell when Marabas has already
compiled one which is not only unique but carefully balanced to
avoid the operator contracting negative karma. A spell that has
been used effectively for over twenty years? Look at SPELLKIT
FOR REVENGE / VINDICATION / TO RIGHT AN INJUSTICE (stockcode
P103) on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm and you won't
have to run the gamut of peoples' opinions of your morality on
this forum. ;-) BB Denise W. ]
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Topic TO BABALONUIT888 RE: Progress.
posted by HANNAH User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:15 PM
Your writings are fantastic so inspiring and
insightful..............so I just wanted to respectfully ask you
(hope you don't mind!)........is there a successful simple
ritual to have revenge on a particular person?
This person has cheated on his partner, my friend, (who doesn't
know) and I want to pay him back.......but how??????
Topic RE: Chaosphere CD/Psychonaut
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 09:40 AM
$29.99 John. Im still smiling.
Enjoy
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Chaosphere CD/Psychonaut
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Hi, yes, Ricenpeas is a good Magician, with a good future ahead.
He desrves that result!
May All attain!
AUM HA!
Topic Chaosphere CD/Psychonaut
posted by John W User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Hi Ricenpeas,
Your 'Psychonaut' has a foreword by Frater Marabas ? I'm totally
jelous !
Anyhow, Just ordered a copy of the Chaosphere CD and can't wait
to
experience it for myself.
Best Regards,
John.
Topic RE: A Word. posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Complaints are always welcome Noome as is your poetry. Ive
started a new thread to keep this one on subject.
Ricenpeas
Topic A Word. posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 01:15 AM
Hiya Rice! Hope you're well. I:-) 'nome', working as able, have
chosen to simply accept responsibility for the 'order' I've
created.
I didn't expect the banner name to go worldwide, but it has.
So...
I feel I should explain the 'complaint' I sent you, got to keep
you on your toes! Shall we look at The Egyptian legend?
Osiris, God, came to Earth, looking for the pearl of great
price, but when He incarnated as a human, as Horus, son of
Osiris, He forgot why He was here.
His 'evil' twin, Set, then chopped Him into a thousand pieces,
scattering them. But His wife: Isis, and Her Sister: Nephtys,
The twin Goddesses of truth, reconstructed Him.
The 'evil' twin is simply the Etheric soul. The scattering is
the myriad of desires, impulses, thoughts, that constitute the
ego self.
So we make ourselves whole again, restraining the ego self's
'false' will, finding one's true will, and the battle with Set,
the Twin of Horus,is no more; Set takes His rightful place in
One's universe. Hope that's of some value, to someone, you may
have got this point already, still, a different view point for
you.
You're the constant, main contributer to the forum, the oexp's
and full teachings, hadn't been formulated when I was at approx.
your stage, I'd be fascinated to see how this works out for you.
Well, I'm off again, to seclusion, a 'crawler', inserted 'It's
about to happen', into my music library, I wonder if 'something'
physical, will happen? Whatever, when I get back, I hope you're
still here, and a treasure trove of forum comments! I like you,
Rice, you're pleasant, intelligent, and born to be a Magician,
it seems to me.
Sent with sincere respect, and very Best Wishes to you,
Ricenpeas, in all your endeavors.
Sincere Respect and very Best Wishes to S.A. and all members.
Light, Life, Love and Liberty to One and All.
Topic RE: Snowballing.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 01:44 AM
Nope, can't leave it like that. In fact it's me,
I'm experiencing 'snowballing'. I followed 'intuition' expecting
some form of astral result.
In reality, through a music station, China sings 'Sexy boy' to
me, Germany slipped 'incubus/succubus' in, 'Shallayah' reflected
'Stargazer and Russia 'Futuristic Dragon.'
I ask myself; how far does this thing go?
I wonder what happens next?
Best Wishes.
Topic Snowballing. posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 01:25 AM
A visualisation for you/psychonaut, I meant.
Have you heard:-'The Magician who does invoke The Spirits of
Air,
must be prepared to ride the whirlwind.' Or,
When, after repeated Ritual, you obtain result, and you will
achieve result, the operation snowballs, according to the forces
which powered the operation?
So goes it.
Best Wishes.
Topic RE: Progress. posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Nice one, it does have a role to play. I will approach the
visualisation from that angle.
Ricenpeas
Topic Progress. posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 05:37 PM
It is pleasing to experience the physical result of Magick.
For One who has devoted themselves, wholly, to The Great Work,
such things as:-E.G. suitable accomodation, land, Scarlet women,
goats, cats etc. all appear as wished for, easily, as they
pertain directly to the Greater Good.
Best Wishes.
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by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 02:25 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Ive recently started a 1st edition book collection and i have
had real trouble finding a collectors copy of Liber Null
published by the S.A. So, I found a picture of the original
front cover, visualised me holding it, and fired that into the
Void using the chaosphere CD. A few weeks later i came across a
site advertising Liber Null collectors edition for $29.99 which
matched how much i had left on my prepay visacard. Brilliant.
Yestaday i recivied the package opened it up and it was a
collectors edition of "Psyconaught" also published my the S.A.
with a great forward by M.
All though the whole experience was exilarating and i class this
as a result, i would like to improve my accuracy. Any
suggestions?
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst:
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Topic RE: Charles Pace
posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 06:50 AM
Charles Pace considered himself a Setian Priest. His paintings
of religious Egyptian imagery were indicative of his leanings.
However, he was a member of a Witchcraft coven under the
auspices of Gerald Gardner.
He corresponded with Anton LaVey for a number of years and they
shared some similar ideas - predominantly that a religion should
be subservient to the natural inclinations of the individual;
rather than the adherent being subservient to dogmatic rhetoric
contrary to one's nature.
Topic RE: Charles Pace
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 07:33 PM
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Topic Charles Pace posted
by nimmo User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:46 PM
Does anyone know anything about a character called
Charles Pace ? Recently he has been mentioned in
Luciferian (?) books by a Michael Ford (I've only
read excerpts), but remember some years back that
Anton LaVey mentioned him along with Spare and Crowley
as leading British figures of the LHP in an edition
of the Cloven Hoof.
I've read somewhere however that he was a media junkie
type pandering to the tabloids. Is the guy still alive,
who was/is he and what group did he possibly belong to ?
Regards,
Nimmo.
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Topic RE: protesting against n.a.n
posted by kimball User
posted on December 28, 2008 at 03:10 PM
THEY DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE S.A WAS. they thort it was a
t-shirt to some metal band. he he
Topic RE: protesting against n.a.n
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 09:37 PM
Hi, what sort of response did you get from the nan population
that was present? lol
Topic protesting against n.a.n
posted by kimball User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 08:37 PM
The s.a has been the backbone to my life now for 12 years now so
i dont want people to think that i,m cheapning m's work with the
following. I've been to a few occult confrence's and most the
time they seem to be populated by NAN'S or armchair occultist
who talk but dont do. So in a form of protest I went to one with
a t-shirt that i printed up myself.It had the S.A monkish
letters on it and under that the word's CLASSICLY TRAINED. peace
and love
Topic Departure. posted by
Draconuit-ONU. User
posted on June 30, 2008 at 03:40 AM
Hi, Especially J.K, and Ricenpeas, I particularly enjoyed
meeting you, I've been waiting, hence my available time with the
Forum, and thanks to Graham also. That was sensible, enjoyable
good clean fun. Wow! I found an unexpected bonus after
completing the Lucifer thread, too, mmm, too much for the
browsing beginner, but Boy!
Maybe you might want to keep in touch? I'll be looking at emails
sometimes, I'd like it, could be fun; no conflict with S.A. Do
What Thou Wilt! Or maybe that, was that, a fresh future
beckons....... Whatever;
Sincere Best wishes to All! Light, Life, Love and Liberty!
Topic RE: Satanism etc.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 03:43 AM
Greetings J.K. WOW!
What an eye opener, I've found that what I can only call the
mindset, or psycho-spiritual basis is identical to Thelema!
I'd imagine that Crowley is crushed to individuate C.o.S as
entirely seperate entity.
I didn't study rituals, however, what an marvelous realisation!
The same principles of liberation/self realization!
Many thanks for that. And your even minded explanation.
Best wishes on your path.
Topic C.o.S. posted by
Draconuit. User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 01:33 AM
Thankyou J.K. That's plenty to ponder on; re: C.o.S.
I understand your concern, when the years ahesd are less than
those behind. 35? Plenty of time; don't believe me, yet my
viewpoint may be worth consideration. One has seen many things
profound. To my mind, in this, your 2nd(?) magickal projection
unto the malkuth worlds, the point of urgency is self
realisation; communion with The H.G.A. It is necessary to
achieve this level of conciousness, to partake in the Angels
rapture, as concious.
Discipline, Devotion, ensures a pleasant ascent.
A nod's as good as a wink.......
Best wishes,Brother.
Topic Satanism etc. posted
by JK User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Hello Draconuit, Yes Here I am !
I am not best placed to say what the CoS is or is not as I am
not a representative or Priest. There is a UK Priesthood/Grottos
who my like to comment or you could look at Dr.LaVey's article
on occultism of the past at www.churchofsatan.com
I am not content with any one path and my own evolution like
that
of other Satanists I have known is to explore other areas. I
can't
say I've ever felt there is a structure to Satanism, rather the
opposite: complete freedom to satisfy oneself by exploring all
options. I think this is quite 'Crowleyan' actually from the
view
that he went beyond the GD and did his own thing gaining many
experiences in many paths.
Whereas I have great respect for Dr. LaVey I feel that many
satan
-ists of whatever camp make the mistake of falling into a
'religion'
where if the guru criticizes Crowley, they all do likewise. I
have
no respect for this unless they can back it up with their own
reasoning. Satanism is meant to be an alternative to herd
mentality.
I think your problem with Satanism is probably mirrored in
Satanist
-s who can't understand Crowley/Thelema. I think there is a
trend
for both paths to have an interest in each other: Thelemites
seeking what may be of value in Satanism and Satanists who feel
Crowley was essentially satanic/LHP.
Of late I have taken an interest in divination and Sigil working
and looking to evolve psychically. I have also felt a real fear
of death in the last few years, now entering my mid thirties so
perhaps this is at the root of my 'spiritual' drive ? That
feeling
of immortality or at least that death is ages away that one
feels
at age 20 now seems long gone. Perhaps this has some correlation
to the Orthodox Jewish reason for not teaching Kabbalah to men
under
40 or the Confucianists not allowing I-Ching study to under 50's
?
Best regards, JK
Topic Probably. posted by
Draconuit. User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 09:53 PM
You make me smile, Ricenpeas, nice guy.
Best o luck, D.
Topic is it real posted by
ricenpeas User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Well Draconuit as Castanada said to Don Jaun "But was i realy a
bird, Don Juan". Personaly methinks the Carlsberg way. PROBABLY
Keep smiling its all good
Rienpeas
Topic How it started.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 08:38 PM
For me, age 12, i wanted to get out of a bubble i believed
myself trapped in. Aged 15, I was released from bondage by Mine
Holy Guardian Angel. Thereafter I would project-yesod, explore,
etc.
Good fun.
Now here's a thing, previous lives. I experienced regression, as
an unexpected petal of the rose, this was in Wales, as said.
Do you think that one examines one's own genetic-race memory,
selecting part's which suit one's current incarnation.
Or do you believe that past lives are factually true?
If factual, have some of us lived a previous esoteric lifetime?
Best wishes,D.
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posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 07:31 PM
Hi hope you're all well and enjoying the Adventure!
J.K! Are you there!I have looked at LaVey's bible, and
experienced a core ritual. I am not opposed to the C.o.S. i
simply can't see the point. I've outlined, as able, the Thelemic
structure, in brief, on the A. Crowley thread. Would you be so
kind as to explain the basic aims of C.o.S. please? I'm puzzled.
Best to All.
Topic Let No Way Be My Only Way. No
Limitation Be My Only Limitation posted by
Rice N Peas User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 02:42 AM
Thank ONU.
I was addicted to drugs trough my teens and into my early
twenties and managed to turn it all around just over 7 years
ago. Through my addiction i experienced many extremes of human
nature in myself and in others which is swept under the carpet
by society. Over the last 7 years i to have tryed to sweep it
all this under the carpet and i had opted for the wide screen tv
and smoothy maker. Its realy not enough so i have taken to the
practice of Magick and i can firmly say i have never felt so
confident and strong in all of my life. Ive heard my fair share
of NAN in my time and none of it fits to what i have seen in the
doorways of Kings Cross and therefor provides no solutions to
me. I have chosen NoWay as my Way.
As a self appointed Novice i have found the S.A invaluble and
has cut away so much of the fodder that packs most of the books
aimed at beginers like myself. Thugh i appreciate using words to
explain Magick is a pain in the pecker, M. and a few others have
helped created a very accesable style that can be experienced by
anyone with a positive attitude and persistance.
I suppose what i have learnt to date would be this. Perception
is reality so i should learn how to look and not take it to
seriously.
Enjoy the Ride
Rice N Peas
Topic RE: Togetherness!
posted by JK User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 06:25 PM
Greetings to all, and Hello again ONU, Nice idea and I hope
maybe
some of the other regular names so far may make a little
intro...
My occult journey started at the tender age of 13 when several
spontaneous psychic experiences led me to search the local and
school libraries for books on the paranormal. Started off with
Tarot cards and ouija board and formed a small group of serious
friends one who became Wiccan, the other a Chaos magician,
haven't
seen them in many years now. A few years on I discovered the SA
and curiosity led me to Satanism as this was the time of the
Satanic
Panic. Joined the Church of Satan at age 18 and formed a small
Satanist group for a while also exploring occultism in general.
Later studies led to a Buddhist phase, Asatru/Odinist phase,
and many other personal searches for what one might call the
TRUTH.
At present I am very interested in Paganism, Chaos magic,
Thelema,
and developing my psychic awareness with Tarot & I-Ching.
Best to All,
JK
Topic Togetherness! posted
by ONU. User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 01:48 AM
Hey Guys! Come on in, the waters lovely! Really, if you will,
why not introduce each other, how did it all start for you?
O.K. my introduction might not be representative of the whole:
I'm getting on, and have much experience. I can also slip, and
behave like a complete twat! I was a baffled beginner once, then
a slightly less baffled mid-ranger, then I was baffled
again,.......
How is it for you?
Best Wishes, ONU.
Topic Chill out. posted by
ONU. User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 07:52 PM
Hi All.
Denise provided the Earth: Suggestions thread, 'Ricenpeas'
provided the seed, the concept, and I'm the first leaf in this
new garden.
About Me: I was born with Magical destiny, I've been with S.A.
for nearly 30 years. In '81, I lived by my white bearded Guru,
in Plas-
-y-coed, (Palace in the woods.) South Wales, performing a 14
month Ritual of The Rosy Cross, complete with Scarlet Woman,
land, a nanny goat and black kitten!(Guru was Thelemite Master.)
My only line of contact with the outside world was 'Lamp of
Thoth'
magazine. Well, I was an Adept then, I've evolved but enjoy
talking to absolutely any 'grade' of occultists, as long as
they're
prepared to work!
I am entirely of Thelema, by birth destiny. However,
I'm entirely open minded concerning any belief systems, and,
living in a powerful voo-doo current, would like to understand
African Deities better.
Best 'o' luck.
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posted by Kabo User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 06:41 PM
I have been troubled by a witch every night it is believed that
this witch was responsible of deaths in my family. Can one kind
please tell me what I do or or anything I can use so that this
witch is exposed or to tramp the witch next time the witch comes
to my house or anywhere I will be sleeping, so that people know
what this person does. May be this witch can stop, Please help
if you can.
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins
posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 07:17 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Karen Tell me, How quick does this money magnet solves financial
problems?
I have a loan and credit cards which I am struggling to pay. Can
money magnet help?
Yours
In need of help
[Infoburst: That's enough Lizzie, if you haven't received
sufficient encouragement and clarification after all these good
people have offered their personal assurances then another bout
of amelioration won't help you make your mind up and so this
thread ends here.
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins
posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 07:14 AM
Thank you very much for all your answers, at least I am now
clear.
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins
posted by Karen User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 02:54 AM
I have a set of these coins (a Chinese golden money magnet). It
does NOT need any blood, mine or anyone else's. It has not
harmed me or anyone else. I think it is helping me think more
rationally and clearly about money, and I am learning to give up
negative ideas about my financial situation; the negative ideas
are partly due to depression, and partly due to confusion about
past religious teachings. I hope this message might be useful to
the person who posted the first message...
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 10:56 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:32 PM
My apologies Lizzie.
There is NO risk to your family or yourself with the Money
Magnet. It is there to bring GOOD FORTUNE not BAD FORTUNE. It
comes with FULL instuctions on how to use it and Marabas gives
aftersales service should you feel you are having problems. He
even offers a money back guaranty.
Sometimes in Magick we have to make sacrifices. This means
things like stopping bad habbits or feeling sorry for ourselves,
eating healthy or learning a skill, that sort of thing. They are
personel things that help in our learning and growth. It does
not mean killing animals, or other such nonsense. This is
nothing for you to worry about, its a good thing.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Fear and superstition
posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 09:06 PM
Thank you for your answer, Now you made another statement which
I can not understand, "Live your life with a bit of BOTTLE
because soon we all die." What does this statement means.
Now let me be honest with you, This is my first time to be
communicating with someone who know more about magic. I have
never done magic before, either white magic or black magic, my
financial problem has laid me to seek your advice in this money
magnet coins.
Please make things plain and clear for me to follow. I am not an
english man, English is my second language.
Yours
Lizzie
Topic Fear and superstition
posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 08:39 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:28 PM
The SA would not offer this item if it was dangerous. The kind
of fears you
have are totally unconnected to reality. Fear is stupid and
cripples people.
Why would the universe be out to get you ? Think about it. To
hell with fear !
Live your life with a bit of BOTTLE because soon we all die.
[Infoburst: This is a very interesting illustration. Anonymous
talks straight and talks what appears to us to be sense. He
tells Lizzie how it is. His allegory about ' we all die sooner
rather than later' (That is; stop worrying and start doing
because otherwise you could piss your life away in a constant
funk) is good advice, yet Lizzie, already in a state of high
confusion caused by an overdose of NAN on the net now misreads
Anonymous's intent due to language difficulties and thinks he
really means someone is going to die! This exacerbates her worst
fears.
Some people can only think in literal terms. Unfortunately it is
usually this type of person who gets 'stung' by the NAN sharks
because they appeal to the literal mentality. The question is;
Can you save people from themselves? BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins
posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Thank you for your quick answer, But I have one problem, Your
answer to my fears is not very clear. When you say "Sometimes
there is sacrifices" exactly what do you mean in connection with
the Money magnet coins?
Please Give the actual facts so that the decision will remain
for me to make
Yours
Lizzie
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 07:16 PM
No Lizzie your quite safe, though i think someones been giving
you alot of superstitious waffle. Sometimes Magick requires a
sacrifice, usualy a change in our veiwpoint but its never more
than we can give and its nothing to fear. As for bringing
death....SERIOUSLY grab yourself a few lessons from the list.
Youll be suprised at how natural Magick can be.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins
posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 06:37 PM
In my first question where asked about blood all what I meant is
that when I get the Money Magnet coins, Are they not going to
cause trouble in my family by causing death without me knowing
that the power of the coins is demanding blood for them to work
well? Please let me know, As these coins work without causing
any other problem?
Yours
Lizzie
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posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Hi Lizzie.
1-No. If a person offers you a talisman that contains there own
blood there an idiot or scam artist.
2-You can keep the money magnet for life, traditionaly carried
with you to attract good fortune, they are for keeps. Added to
this they are antique, over 900 years old, giving them back
would be like giving back your good fortune.
3-Not even a little bit true. Giving to charity in this way is a
cop out and nothing to do with Karma. Just appreciate your good
fortune and use it to better your situation. Try "Morality,Karma
and Retribution" in the short lessons page for a bit more
clarity on this.
Hope this helped
Ricenpeas
Topic Chinese Golden Money Magnet coins
posted by Lizzie User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 08:15 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:18 PM
If there is anyone who has used these Chinese Golden coins,
please I need help to answer me these three questions; 1. Does
these coins have blood on it in order for it to work? 2. Can
these coins be destroyed or returned to sorcerer's apprentice
when I do not need them any more without causing any problems?
3. I have heard many people who offer money drawing magic, they
say that when you make money do not forget to give to charity.
With these coins it is the same, now I am wondering whether the
powers of the coins is the same as the money magic from
different sources which has blood in them? Please clear my fears
quickly, since I want to buy the Chinese Golden coins Yours
Lizzie
[Infoburst: (1) Why would the Chinese Golden Money Magnethave
blood on it? There is no need for blood.
(2) If you want to close down any talisman or amulet (i.e. stop
its effects) then you simply soak it in Sorcerer's Apprentice
Chinese Wash Purification Fluid (see
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm and scroll
down to Chinese Wash P169 for more info.
(3) If you are getting well on any aspect of magic it makes
sense to pass on the energies to someone else. Under the ancient
lore of threefold return if you give out once you will get back
thrice. You should do this one-to-one. Far better to give a
tramp you meet in the street a couple of quid and look into his
eyes than send a tenner to some charity when only 10p (dime) of
it will actually get to the intended recipient anyway, but the
choice is yours.
The information about the Chinese Golden Money Magnet on our
website is very clear and very honest but do you trust it? BB
Denise W]
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Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!
posted by ZBeyondR User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 08:48 AM
Greetings,
I purchased the chinese money magnet in 2006, and the very week
I got a new job with higher pay, and even higher prospects than
my old one. I am not financially secure yet, but I know am going
towards it.
I don't think though that just the possession of the chinese
magnet will attract prosperity, you need to act too...
Good Luck with your artistic creations, and selling...
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!
posted by Karen User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 04:24 AM
Well, I've had ups and downs. My living space needs some serious
decluttering; that would likely improve things from an
energetic/feng shui perspective. I'm not sure what influence the
magnet is having at the moment; it's in the right corner of my
apartment, but there hasn't really been a dramatic change in my
situation. Maybe there are other things I should do that I'm not
doing yet? Back in March, my wallet was stolen (on a bus, no
less!); but I got it and all its contents back less than 24
hours later. Quite remarkable, though I've had to take the
typical precautions against identity theft.
I'm working on ways to attract more money in things I'm already
doing, like performing music and selling original photos and
digital artwork online. I'm always open to suggestions on how to
make my efforts more lucrative. Would carrying one of the
magnets be more helpful for making money from my own creative
work? There's much I still need to learn...
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 08:57 AM
Hi Karen, have you noticed any change or improvement in your
life/circumstances since hanging your money magnet in your
apartment rather than carrying it around with you? I have
carried mine around up til now but have thought about hanging it
from the ceiling but wondered if you or anyone else had seen
advantages from doing this. I believe it is to be hung with the
four characters to the top in the southeast corner if I am
correct?
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 22, 2008 at 09:43 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Hi Jim
I am not a numismatist but I realise there will always be some
debate in academic circles over dates etc for these rare and
ancient Chinese coins. I can only quote you what Marabas says in
his instructions which come with our I-Ching coins.
' These Northern Sung Dynaty I-Ching coins.... were ancient
booty discovered in a sunken war junk which went down off the
coast of Cambodia around 1200AD...the coins were struck over the
period 960 to 1140 AD.'
So basically the argument is whether the coins fall into the
Tang (618-907)AD or the Sung Dynasty (960 -1140AD). It is quite
possible that some of these coins are indeed several hundred
years older than we have officially estimated but because we are
constantly under scrutiny by Xists all our advertising claims
have to be pitched conservatively and so we use the '900 years
old' statement to be sure of not misleading anyone. You always
get an added plus when you shop with the S.A.!
Glad you liked the quality of the coins. I treasure mine.
Unbelievable first-class condition considering that they were
under water for hundreds of years - maybe that actually
protected them from oxidisation? BTW There are only a few of
these coins left now and of course they are unrepeatable so if
you want some please strike quickly on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/i-chings.htm
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!
posted by Jim User
posted on April 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Dear SA,
Can I just point out that these coins are actually OLDER than
you are advertisng them. They are between 1100 to 1400 years
old, being from the Tang Dynasty (618-907 CE) and the ones you
sell for divination and on the money magnet are a lot better
quality than ones sourced straight from China which tend to be
badly eroded. This was told to me by the owner of a coin shop to
whom I showed your coins some time back. I have checked what he
told me on the net and every
website agrees, 1100-1400 years old.
Regards,
Jim.
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!
posted by Karen User
posted on April 19, 2008 at 01:54 AM
edited on April 22, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Denise, I have one of the money magnets, that I started out
carrying in my pocket, and then transferred it to the relevant
corner of my apartment. Now, I'm saving up to order a second one
to carry again. I do hope they're still available, and not
becoming too scarce? It might be a month or two before I can get
around to that...
[INFOBURST: Hi Karen, there are only a limited number of these
coins left now and of course they are unrepeatable. How long
they last depends on demand but, and this is no sales ploy
because you will kick yourself if you miss 'em, if you are
considering another Money Magnet please strike quickly on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/moneymag.htm If you are really
'stuck for brass' as we say in these parts, then you can place a
deposit of 5.00 GBP on a set to secure them for six months at
the current price. Goto
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/paypal.htm and scroll to the
bottom of the page to find our buy-pennies button; click on that
and enter 500 pennies into the quantity column, then when you go
to input your card details make sure you type in the
comments/remarks section that you are placing a deposit on a
Money Magnet P44FCMM (or whatever the item is his deposit system
works on all items we sell at a deposit rate of approx 25
percent of the full price). Hope this makes sense but if not
email me directly for clarification. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Chinese money magnet works !!!
posted by Denise W User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 03:23 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:30 AM
That's great news William. No matter how many times we hear it,
it is always delightful to hear of clients' good news - and the
SA Forum is just the place to shout it from the rooftops. More
proof, if any were needed after surfing this site, that magic
DOES work. Perhaps not in absolutely every single case but in
more cases than one could possibly imagine. On the basis that
producing one pink elephant proves the existence of prink
elephants the S.A. has thousands of cases of categoric proof
that magic, applied intelligently, works very well indeed and
has changed people's lives for the better, lots of people. And
after all, isn't this what it is all about? To give ordinary
folk the magical advantage, especially when they have run out of
physical/mundane options and need help to turn around their
lives or get themselves out of a hole? Of course there will be
those every so clever people surfing this forum who will assume
that William is a plant from the S.A. He's not, but let them
scoff and deprive themselves of magick if they like. The bottom
line is that Marabas's Money Magnets come with a money-back
guarantee. He has offered them for years and I can't even
remember one ever being returned! Good luck William and keep on
polishing that Money Magnet. BB Denise W. [Info: go
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/moneymag.htm for more
information, background and buy-now button if required)
Topic Chinese money magnet works !!!
posted by William User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 09:22 AM
I have to post this and say a BIG thanks to Marabas
at the same time. Some time back I bought the S.A.'s
Chinese Golden money magnet made of ancient Chinese
I-Ching Coins as I was frustreted that the bank wasn't
budging on my claim for bank charges of £1300.00.
The week before the courts froze these claims my bank paid
out. My credit card and overdraft problems that always seem
to get put on a back burner with MOTs, Xmas, birthdays, etc
all cleared themselves and I am debt free after 8 years in
the red. Things just started to ease themselves into a smoother
track. and in the last week a family member who had loaned me
£500 for a joinery job came into money and told me to forget
the repayment ! I'm putting it all down to the money magnet
as I have NEVER had luck with money before. THANK YOU S.A !!!
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Topic RE: graveyards
posted by kimball User
posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM
D is right. ther is no need to moross over having to spend say
£15.00 over a train fare into the country to do magical work.
Topic Cemeteries etc.
posted by William User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 04:32 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:55 PM
To clarify if needed, my own curiosity was whether such places
which are
for the rest and remembrance of the departed are of any use for
attuning
to spirit communication, such as having a stroll through,
reading the
stones having a seat on the benches provided and trying to pick
up on
any feelings. All done quietly and no one would know, in broad
daylight.
Next grave to a late friend of mine is actually very beautiful
and I wish
more were like it. There's a huge tree at it and the
family/friends have hung windchimes and small yule-tree stars
and stuff. the chimes tinkle away in
the breeze and it's very nice.
..William.
[Infoburst: Well yes William, there are surroundings which are
more or less conducive to bridging the planes and choosing
wisely will increase the chances of a successful contact but one
has to be realistic. The quiet sanctuary of a cemetery may be a
comparative haven of solitude in the middle of a frenetic city
but I still wouldn't advise using it as a place for meditation
or spirit contact. To do so misses the fundamental point that
true spirits, being spirits, are everywhere at once anyway, so
it doesn't matter where you contact them. Location can only be
of value to astral shells/shades which are stuck in that place
and so are apt to deceive and mislead those who try to work
there. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Graveyards. posted
by nome. User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Now I see your point, re: Desecration. I wandered through a
cemetary, 12-15 yrs. ago, and saw a magnificent tree, which some
young idiots had carved 'sex' & 'magic' etc. into it,
filling the cuts with spray-paint. I was disgusted, total abuse
of nature.
And yes, I have a private Holy Temple, no-one else enters there.
Took me a while to grasp this thread; the last info burst did
it. Thankyou muchly!
Topic Stamping on the beliefes of others
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 03:28 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Hanging around graveyards is a bit TV enit. People who go to
graveyards to do rituals are like people who go to the town
center to hug a tree. Its just "look at me" NAN. Graveyards are
places where people go to remeber people and I could see why
they would be a bit pissed off with a load of drama queens
stamping on there beliefs. The Aeon has given us options, lets
use em!
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst: When Darkorder started this thread I was in two
minds whether to delete it but then surmised that it would be a
good idea to shed the light of Truth upon this ancient
anti-occult stereotype. Yet even after we have cleared most of
the untruths it seems that even people who should know better
are prepared to allow the lie some breathing room. In doing so
they give grist to the mill of the tabloid hacks and the Xists.
The bottom line is that Genuine occultists and esotericists do
not desecrate or disrespect the holy places of others because
they have ones of their own and fully appreciate what the word
'sacred' means. Any glue-head who thinks wearing black and
hanging about in a cemetery somehow makes them a toughie should
learn from this thread that in truth it simply reveals them as
just another sad rebellious adolescent who will probably drop
the occult disguise and become a died in the wool Xist by the
time they get to middle-age! BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: graveyards
posted by no-nome. User
posted on August 04, 2008 at 02:20 AM
Greetings All, may serenity flow.
Of those who progenite the placement of new Aeonic flow: One
does know of two religions, of differing times, with names for
this type.They are Entitled to form their own Religions. Declare
their law; It is most prudent in New Aeonic situation, to work
with the word spoken I.E. The eclectic New Aeonic energies as
one 'word'
Here; It is concretised as : S.A. Marabus.
There is a an outrage; Gods shall not be made manifest in places
of the dead. Says Denise, in that Her Gods would as Furies be!
For The Marabusen, 'go with the word given' seems appropriate.
Myself? One sees both sides of the coin, then a cube of
views/ideas> resultant in: whichever piece of it you look at,
it's all much of a muchness. A varient of the idea. A cube.
Pleasantries.
Topic Holy Ground. posted
by Anonymous User
posted on August 03, 2008 at 07:11 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:08 PM
I was told it's interesting here. Whats a nan? Something you
disagree with obviously, but.
I see my old shade chums on a plane other than malkuth. I've
never seen a shade hold cohesion near malkuth for more than two
weeks, then allocation is performed.
Very sorry, I didn't realise you evoke furious gods, I invoke
Gods, I've walked right into it, hell. (Thanks, buddy.)
Well. I was impressed by your comments on TAO, I-ching.
Evoking 'gods'of fury. I s'pose im in trouble now.
I spose you'll hunt me now. Even if I have to live in concrete,
for now, I'll stick to invocation of instructive Gods. My
mistake.
[Infoburst: NAN= New Age Nonsense, the type of unproductive,
wish-washy opinionating that your message comes perilously close
to immitating. I did not of course say that I invoked furious
gods, I said that the gods I invoke would be furious if I
deigned to do so in a Christian cemetery. BB Denise W.
Topic graveyards posted by
Anonymous User
posted on July 26, 2008 at 12:13 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:45 PM
In large city, 'green' is at premium; the parks are taken by the
mothers & kids, they recognise us, & hate us: we,
various covens, practice open air magic in cemetaries; nowhere
else to go. Shades? Never noticed 'em, like the the statues
though. Sadly, here, glue was replaced with heroin & crack
long ago. Maybe you're susceptible to the Elysia, dunno. Maybe
you have 'green', we've no choice.
[Infoburst: NAN alert! NAN alert! Everyone always has choice,
Anonymous. What's the point in haunting a graveyard when you can
jump a bus or peddle a bike and find somewhere rural easy-peasy?
Personally my gods would be furious if I attempted to evoke them
in a place of the dead and quite rightly so. I am sure 99 of
today's pagans would agree with me on this. BB Denise W]
Topic Shades of the dead
posted by William User
posted on July 25, 2008 at 03:26 AM
Hi Denise,
I was interested in what you said about shades of the cemetery
blanketing
all else out.
I often feel an almost claustrophobic feeling if I have to go
into a cemetery
especially a very large one which is the the location of my
local crematorium
for funerals or to visit the garden of remembrance there, and
was wondering if
this is these shades/spirits attempting to communicate, I also
feel a kind of
sickly 'warmth' which I also once felt in visiting a cancer ward
to see a friend who was dying.Is this just 'sensitivity' and can
it be developed in any positive way ? eg Can visiting cemeteries
open one up to mediumship if these
shades are so abundant ? I would mean in an unobstrusive way,
not anything
ritual.
Regards,
William.
Topic RE: Churches and graveyards
posted by Denise W User
posted on January 18, 2008 at 04:43 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Marabas says why on earth would anyone want to 'practice magic'
in a graveyard? This shows a distinct lack of understanding of
how entities occur. Entities exist around us all the time - as a
ouija board proves. You don't have to go to a graveyard to get
access to spiritual entities but if you did so then the shades
of the cemetery would blanket everything else out - hardly a
workmanlike experiment in psychic development! You are right in
that many major pagan sacred sites were indeed comandeered by
the early Christians. Firstly they cosied up to the pagans and
built mixed faith churches. In some there were even side-altars
to the Goddess. The Christians used the same tactics elsewhere.
(Spain is full of Churches which were built upon the bases of
destroyed mosques during the expulsions of the Moors and York
Minster is itself built upon a Roman Pagan Temple). However only
a small percentage of pagan sacred sites in the U.K. were used
in this way. The vast majority of churches extant today have
sites of no pagan significance. Additionally Britain is rich
with genuine sites of pagan heritage with stone circles
abounding all over the pennines and the moors. One only has to
pick up an Ordnance Survey map to find a handful wherever you
reside. Hence there is plenty of sacred space to go round
without needing to conflict with any other faith-group. Only the
peevish would dis-respect the ancestors of another religious
grouping. Do as you would be done by. Couple this with the fact
that most cemeteries today are the haunt of teenage glue
sniffers and any suggestion that genuine magical workings can be
performed at these places becomes a ludicrous idea technically
and spiritually.
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on ouija boards
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm
Topic RE: Churches and graveyards
posted by ZBeyondR User
posted on January 16, 2008 at 03:14 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Greetings Dark Order,
do you practise in graveyards?
[Infoburst: No he doesn't, he's just being silly and not
thinking things through. Pagans didn't bury their dead within
temples - just as Moslems don't bury their dead in Mosques.
Burying the dead in graveyards is a Christian idea. Darkorder is
right in that the Christians nicked all the pagan sacred sites
(even St Paul's was built over a Roman Temple) and in the
village of Rudston (the Rud Stone) East Yorkshire there's a 30
foot prehistoric menhir right outside the bloody church door to
prove it!) but most town/city cemetries have no such
associations and even if they did just how sacred would they be
after over a thousand years of desecration? BB Denise W.]
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posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 09:23 PM
Hi all.I was just wondering if anybody practices magic in
graveyards,and if not why not.I know that old churches were
built on ancient pagan sites which were sacred to the people of
old.So i dont understand why pagans today dont practices in
graveyards and connect with the old ones.You will find yew trees
in most churches as well,which was once a sacred tree to pagans
of old.Just wanted your views on this matter.Blessings Chris.
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Topic Jesus myth - a well tested lie for mind
control posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on November 04, 2008 at 12:09 PM
edited on November 07, 2008 at 03:14 PM
It must be remembered that modern society is now built on a
pious lie, cleverly crafted by political activists of old. A lie
that is widely - accepted as the only truth that will save our
species from final damnation and the fires of Hell. The Life
force is the Life force, plain and simple yet fundamentalists
who created the Jesus myth back in the 1st century claimed later
that a man (who was most likely fictitious) was the Son of God.
This chap never left any writing done by himself behind and all
the so-called evidence (biblical and indeed non-biblical) for
his presumed historicity is easily disprovable propaganda,
fantasy and hearsay; nothing more.
However, society has been drip fed tales about the Jesus Myth
for so long that we now accept alleged truths about this
'man-god' largely without so much as a single question. This is
just the way the powers that be like it for it's a wonderful
time-tested lever to pull us into compliance at their
continence.
For God and Country lads - over the top and never mind those
machine guns ...... Ad finitum......
[Infoburst - Hi Sandygrounds. It is true that there is much
incontrovertible evidence that Jesus did not exist and some
scientists and researchers have been trying to get this across
to the public for decades. One in particular who has striven
more than most and has all the facts to hand is Michael Roll -
he once wrote a superb overview of this debate
for the Lamp
of Thoth Magazine but we haven't heard from him for years
. You can see some of Michael's stuff on
http://www.cfpf.org.uk
Say hello to him for me when you see him. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Halloween posted by
sylvia and chris User
posted on November 01, 2008 at 06:22 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 11:11 AM
I feel all faiths and celebrations for each year should be
respected and appreciated as long as the faith or celebration
does not cause serious harm or damage or death to a person.
Halloween is seen as a celebration for spiritual purposes as
well as the time of bonfire night approaching, there are people
who strongly believe in the afterlife and there are people who
do not, people who do not believe in a certain faith or
celebration should not criticise and demand a ban on it as long
as it is a safe practicing faith and does no harm to another
person.
There are things people should worry about more in this world
and focus on removing the evils like terrorism, violence etc
from the world rather than panic about a halloween celebration
ban.
Respect each other, help each other in times of need,to many
people turn a blind eye to crime and things and the world is
getting out of control by not doing things like they used to by
helping each other.
not being anti, just pointing out life is getting harder to
survive and the world needs healing.Fireworks get in the wrong
hands these days, people fear them rather than enjoy them,
selling these in shops should be banned and only allow proper
safe displays.
[Infoburst: I appreciate your sentiments of peace and liberality
but there's a contradiction in your thinking. The qualification
'As long as faiths don't cause harm'. There's more blood on the
hands of the world's largest religions than could ever be put
onto minority beliefs - and there are plenty of truly honourable
attempts to do good which inadvertently cause harm, so harm
itself is not the criterion for banning or not banning. And
neither is danger. It is a retrograde step to ban anything with
risk just because a few troublemakers can misuse it. Life has
risks and politicians cannot remove risks. They know it but try
to fool you into thinking otherwise.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Halloween Church of England
posted by PaddyMagick User
posted on October 30, 2008 at 05:25 PM
No Guy on the bonfire, though you used to get the odd Maggy.
Smiles
Topic Halloween Church of England
posted by AnnB User
posted on October 28, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Dear Denise thankyou for jogging the little grey cells I was
going to write on this subject the fact the Irish don't
celebrate Nov.5th for the reason of Guy Fawkes being burnt on
the fire. Instead they celebrate Halloween with fireworks
Each to own though it gets a little muddled somewhere in peoples
heads
Topic RE: Halloween posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 22, 2008 at 01:31 PM
Hi Lily, I agree we should all respect the faith of others as
long as there not using it as a stick to beat me with. The
trouble seems to arise when people assosiate there ideas with
the source of all creation, God. By even saying the word God we
personify Him/Her and some go on to say that God is this, or God
is that, even with there own system of belife saying that God is
everything. For most Celebrating God gives purpose and
forfilment but to some it gives them a Crusaid, which is what is
happening here with the BANNING of a Pagan festival.
BestWishes
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Halloween posted
by lily User
posted on October 22, 2008 at 12:06 PM
edited on October 27, 2008 at 04:53 PM
.......all faiths have some value, icluding the church of e. I
was brought up a Catholic and love going to Fireworks nights
pumpkins etc etc but I would say there is only one God, who is
the Creator of all and whom we should all have
respect/reverence.
[Infoburst: Ah well lily, you should go to our other thread for
the 'one god' debate because someone there might have a god you
don't like and on your premiss above it would still be the One
god which you would have to adhere to. Initiates say that people
make gods in their own image to fulfill a missing part of their
own psychology. When you said that as a catholic you love going
to Fireworks displays at this time of year I wonder if you are
aware that the burning of the effigy of Guy Fawkes here on
November 5th is a Puritan celebration of the defeat of papism in
the U.K. and an institutionalised form of anti-Catholicism not
far removed from Kristelnacht but nicely camouflaged behind the
ancient Need Fires of the pagan festival of Samhain! Would that
be the one Catholic God, or the one Protestant God then? Makes
you fink donnit? BB Denise W. ]
Topic Halloween posted by
AnnB User
posted on October 20, 2008 at 05:13 PM
Forgot to mention the Carthars wiped out for their beliefs
and during a transfigration I saw with a friend once a most
malevolent Crusader came through staring straight at me
challenging me to bow my head in fear but me I just stared
straight back and he was the first to look away. That took a lot
of faith and a lot of belief but I called on all I think of to
protect me.
Topic Halloween posted by
AnnB User
posted on October 20, 2008 at 05:06 PM
Sorry better late than have just signed your worthy petition
No one has the right to foist their beliefs on anyone and to
treat a child to such misery is totally abhorrent to a clucking
hen like me I defy anyone to teach or hurt my grandchildren in
any way.
Halloween is great fun for the tinies and we love to see them
going round in their littlecostumes completely innocent of all
things as they should be.
Keep alive your faith it is a precious thing it gives you peace
and dignity.
Topic RE: CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN
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User
posted on October 20, 2008 at 12:29 PM
edited on October 20, 2008 at 01:57 PM
When I saw the Anglicans trying to link Samhain with child harm
on their website, and by implication painting those who
celebrate the festival with child abuse, I was floored.
Occasionally I awake with nightmares - I'm reliving a childhood
terror. My Church of England Junior school took a school party
to visit a church. I'd recently had death brought into my life
for the first time by my Grandfather's passing. Still trying to
recover from this frightening event, I, with the rest of my
class, was forced to sit in a side chapel at church, staring at
a grey stone carving of human skulls with serpents slithering
through them. Whilst mortified by this image, we were told how
we were inherently evil, and that our only hope in the long term
was to keep Jesus pleased with us.
No message of love, no hope (unless you were really good, we
were told - but then, we were reminded, given the way the world
was set up in original sin, we were quite likely to fail), we
were miserable kids whose only worth was provided by someone
else - God.
Now, 40 years on, I still wake at night with the image of those
skulls in my mind, bleak and terrifying.
I feel some runes coming on*
* Fundamentalists - this last bit - about the runes - is just a
joke. It was only a film (or short story depending how educated
you are).
[Infoburst: You make some VERY pertinent points Julian. The most
important one is this. Are the lives of Christians corrupted due
to being indoctrinated with the fear of death as children before
they can discern the truth for themselves. The Jesuits had a
saying: Give me a child before he is 8 and I will show you the
man. Marabas thinks it is indicative that Christian
fundamentalists are always the ones who claim to know most about
evil and the first to point the finger of guilt at other
religions whose approach to death is different. What say you. BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN
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posted on October 08, 2008 at 01:19 PM
I've passed the link to those that I know and will forward it
onto other sites.
Happy Samhain!
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Topic RE: CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN
TO BAN HALLOWEEN posted by Denise W. User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 08:36 AM
edited on October 08, 2008 at 08:42 AM
Thanks for supporting John's excellent Petition Sheila. Looking
at his website
( http://halloweenchoiceorg.bravehost.com) I am really surprised
that so few people from this forum have bothered to add their
name to this petition. The ones that haven't will no doubt be
the first in the queue to complain when the evangelist
extremists who thought up this campaign move on to directly
challenging their own beliefs. You can vote on this issue purely
on human rights grounds - you don't have to be a confirmed pagan
to cast your on-line vote or to put your name on the petition.
However many pagans do not see the ramifications of the CofE's
move. The end result of what the CofE are trying to establish is
that observing Halloween causes harm to children and if you are
a pagan and have kids then you should be suspected of
psychological child abuse (a definition that comes well within
the government guidelines giving social workers justification to
act on their prejudices!). I have obviously voted, and want to
give John all the support necessary for him to counter this
pernicious attempt to oppress free-thinkers. Please vote using
the link to his page above and also let all your esoteric
contacts know (pagan or otherwise) about the campaign so that we
nip this in the bud. BB Denise W.
Topic Samhain posted by
Mouse User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 09:58 PM
Well said, John; I have just sent the halloweenchoiceorg address
details to two pagan lists I belong to, and signed the petition
myself.
Honestly, the C of E wouldn't dare organise an alternative event
to Ramadan, and tell people that fasting is bad for their
children's health! The worst thing your average child is going
to get from celebrating Halloween is an upset stomach from
eating too many sweets (something they could do any day of the
year!)
Blessings,
Sheila
Topic CHURCH OF ENGLAND SETS UP CAMPAIGN TO
BAN HALLOWEEN posted by john shepherd User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:16 PM
edited on October 03, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Hi there, I am a regular user of pagan forums on the net and was
shocked to discover that the Church of England has just put its
weight behind an evangelical campaign to ban Halloween. Problem
is that so few pagans are aware of it. We have of course become
inured with the usual yearly opinionating by vicars in the local
press but this is something much more dangerous. The CofE has
sanctioned religious persecution and given the green light to
evangelist extremists. You can see the tone if you read the
Telegraph report on it at
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2977644/Church-of-England-claims-Halloween-is-similar-to-Christmas-Eve.html
Anyway I think every true pagan should be up-in-arms over this
insult - and believe it directly breaches the religous hatred
laws. I have set up an on-line petition with more background to
the CofE campaign on
http://halloweenchoiceorg.bravehost.com
so if any pagans want to see what's up and register their
opinions then please click on that link and go to the bottom of
the homepage for the petition and associated links. Don't let
the evangelical extremists in the CofE do your beliefs down!
Remember, these are the same people the Pagan Federation have
been cooperating with under the banner of Multifaith! They have
no excuse of ignorance. BB John Shepherd
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posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Excellent, thanks!
Topic RE: cleaning magical robes
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 14, 2009 at 09:46 AM
edited on January 20, 2009 at 08:53 AM
A very thorough explanation Denise, thank you. I am merely a
beginner so your update was very helpful. I assumed everything
wanted to be 'clean' for each rite. Does the same go for alter
cloths as that does get quite dirty.
[Infoburst: Hi, As with everything in magic it depends on what
your intent is. Most witches and magicians consider all of their
work as a sequential development of their spirit therefore will
want to keep the 'contagion' of energies in all their rites,
just as they will also want to keep a magical diary of what they
did and what the results were. Thus initiates will not wash
their altar cloths frequently if at all. They certainly wouldn't
wash them with a purifying liquid such as Chinese Wash. However,
if you are just performing the occasional magic spell for a
particular purpose then it doesn't matter so much if your altar
cloth or robe has been psychically attenuated through washing -
but I still wouldn't use Chinese Wash in the water. ;-) BB
Denise W. ]
Topic RE: cleaning magical robes
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 06:03 PM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 01:45 PM
Hi Kimball, I have wondered the same in the past both with robes
and my alter cloth. I have added a couple of capfuls of chinese
wash in the machine with my usual powder in the past.
[Infoburst: Hi Kimball, Anonymous, There's some confusion in
your answer. Chinese Wash is a purifying concoction. It helps
absorb and cleanse all psychometric vibrations from the objects
washed with it.
Chinese Wash is ideal for purifying your magical tools or
anything else which has been desecrated (e.g. touched by the
profane or contracted negative energies). For instance, if you
give Runic readings and someone with a very negative future
handles and casts the runes you can clean them afterwards with
Chinese Wash so they are pristine for a subsequent reading. A
Robe washed in water with some Chinese Wash added will therefore
be stripped of all its psychometric vibrations and come out
completely psychically clean. This may be useful in some
instances but items worn in the circle will contract and
compound the energies summoned and most Witches and Magicians
will seek to keep those energies, thus will in normal
circumstances not use Chinese Wash in the wash water for the
robe. This is why robes are rarely washed and why most
experienced magicians/witches go for Black or Dark Brown robes
instead of white ones (which obviously show the dirt more!). So
washing infrequently is the key and Marabas recommends applying
removable talismans, amulets and decorations to the robe at the
start. These will then contract the energies from your workings
in the same way as the robe, and you can take the sigils/amulets
off before washing. When you put them back on again afterwards
the robe will be 'in tune' with your magic again. BB Denise W.
Topic cleaning magical robes
posted by kimball User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 11:54 AM
does any one know how to clean magical robes with out the robe
losing it's magical intgrety. thank you
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Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Better to prey than to pray, with strived conceit to bring
forth....
Topic Collected writings of Austin Osman
Spare posted by AJ User
posted on August 03, 2008 at 05:38 AM
Does Sorcerer's Apprentice still sell Marabas's 'Collected
writings of
Austin Osman Spare' ? and also can you tell me which works by
AOS
were in Marabas's book ? Is there a possibility of a reprint if
Marabas's edition is out of print ? I have heard that Pete
Carroll also
collaborated in this edition; Was this before SA did the first
run of
Liber Null ?
Thanks, AJ
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Topic Compasion posted by
Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Love n compassion sorry to say come from within all u can do is
give. Others have their own paths n misunderstandings. For those
that know "help each other evolve"
Topic Banishing Ritual.
posted by nome. User
posted on August 14, 2008 at 05:53 PM
Hi Karen,
I must go on holiday/retreat for 4-6 months.
'Rice'n'peas' has explained this for you, He's well clued in to
modern S.A. methods; a good guide, no bull, or NAN, as I've come
to know it.
Best wishes One and All.
Topic RE: Preaching Dogma.
posted by Karen User
posted on August 12, 2008 at 02:44 AM
A banishing ritual such as you describe would really come in
handy for me right now (perhaps you might expand on it?), as I
have been seething in anger and frustration recently over RL
money troubles. I used to do a really nice relaxing meditation
about floating in the midst of a galaxy; maybe I'd best dust
that off now and try it again, before I go nuts and start
throwing things at some innocent bystander.
Yes, I have been reading your thread here, no worries...
Topic Preaching Dogma.
posted by nome. User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 06:51 PM
Looking at my own writing, I'm verging on some form of dogmatic
Preaching! My psychology is transparent; I seem to have started
this thread whilst considering an action which would damage a
mans reputation.
I've decided to leave the matter with Higher planes, go on a
retreat. Here's a present, have you tried it? Perform The
banishing Ritual etc. and visualise yourself rocketing up into
space, the world disappearing below, as you use your Will and
heart as high as you can, now rest, look around. No doubt loads
of you are familiar with it. Have a good one!(And always
remember to return to your body fully :-)
Topic RE: Compassion.
posted by nome User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 02:53 AM
Serenity: One and All,
Hi guys, to go further, I need someone to present an equal &
opposite viewpoint, a Bhuddist perhaps, who extols the virtues
of compassion etc. Then we put the two ideas together, each
'dying' in the counterclasp of it's opposite, thereby resulting
in 0, or in this case, a third element : 1 resultant from 2.
Thereby, we can elevate/internalise a stage, and, well, We'll
see if destiny goes that way.
Have fun.
Topic RE: Compassion.
posted by nome. User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 10:29 AM
That was poorly phrased; Did you hear the one about the brass
God, built with feet of clay? It fell over.
I meant, it's not 'evil' to consider that 'charity begins at
home.' 'Firstly, put your own house in order.' rather than
wasting energy in ultimately futile, even self harming,
pursuits.
When you have built a solid foundation, and expanded, you may be
able to afford to help others.
When Crowley observed disaster, often clothed as a woman,
looming on his desciples, He'd warn them, once. Then, He'd
simply observe. He watched 12 of His loved ones get blasted.
I started off on The Path, with a soul full of compassion. I
still do 'good', I'm not a monster, I'm a realist.
That's all you're getting, and it's more than you deserve:)
Topic Compassion. posted
by nome. User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 01:50 AM
I'll try this, my heart's good, yet I am very blunt.
Dear 'Ja sand an sky', I wonder where you live, and if you've
tried this 'kindness and empathy' approach? I live in London.
I've tried compassion to many. Londoners, compared to country
folk, can be ruthless nasty people. To display 'goodness' in the
form of giving food, shelter etc. is generally considered
weakness, how many times do you need to be robbed, beaten,
emotionally drained, until you realise you're doing something
wrong?
It would seem preferable, to me, to have my head metaphorically
bitten off, than walk, unprepared, unguided, into a lion's den.
I'm not proud of the situation here, I called you 'jam sandwich'
because if you moved to 'The Smoke' if you are an adult, with
the
attitude you propose, you'd get more than a metaphor for your
troubles. RE: Lavey; not all vampires drink blood; have you
never felt yourself emotionally drained by a needy person
sharing their problems? Do you not have family, a Mum maybe, or
close circle of Friends, who need your emotional support? Do you
never tire?
This writing is a compassion. Yet I'm sworn to aid fellow
aspirants, where possible. If one person realises it's not
'evil' to be firm, not blasting your energy off in pointless
pursuit, along the lines of 'Charity begins at home' 'Make sure
your house is in order' then it's been worthwhile writing this.
Do you consider this an unfair criticism? If you intend walking
confidently through the inner planes, you will require a a
potent regime of self regulation, not easy. Being warned of the
possible pitfalls you face, is a gift for you. Good luck/self
generated karma.
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posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:30 PM
edited on April 29, 2008 at 03:31 PM
I guess we had to come to this point sooner or later so here it
is: This is an open public forum; the discussion of genuine
supernatural experiences by advanced magical exponents is bound
to lead to contributions from susceptible people who are having
difficulty coping due to stressful situations of which we are
unaware and who think their experiences are the same. It is
important for genuine seekers not to confuse the issue in
reverse. Every experience of bright lights and visions may not
be a genuine psychic experience and very often people who need
to look at more mundane reasons can be mislead away from it by
other seekers assuming that they are of the same level and
understand the initiated terminology when they don't. I am on
orders to try to steer this forum away from these types of
discussion. The reason is clear. It is simply not possible to
definitively help another person who is in a chronic situation
which may have built up over decades in a 250 word reply.
Wanting to help is a natural desire, but contributors should not
recommend any action to anyone else on these issues unless they
are satisifed that they are fully conversant with the querent's
situation, medical and otherwise. Circumspection is the key.
William, if you would like to send an email to me directly at
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk outlining your
medical history, what psychic experiences you have suffered and
what magical operations you have undertaken to date I will ask
Marabas for a response for you. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Contacting Gods
posted by Karen User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Oh, my, sounds like your psychic shield may have been disturbed
to some degree; especially if you undertook your spiritual
exercises with any degree of fear or anxiety. I don't know of
any good advice to give, but I had a paranormal experience once
that left me very psychically open, and gave me the feeling of
swinging from side to side in and out of my body. Fortunately, a
friend of mine (also my first shamanism teacher) gave me
directions for an upper-world journey (based on Jack and the
Beanstalk, of all things); and it worked in getting my psychic
shield realigned. I'm still a bit more sensitive than I was
before, but the healing worked, in any case. I don't know if
this is what you need or not; but I recommend a good
professional consultation with a specialist in psychic defense
issues and possibly soul retrieval. All the best to you,
William, and take care of yourself!
Topic RE: Contacting Gods
posted by William H User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:27 PM
Dear Thelemite 8,
Thank you for your reply.
I am definitely onto something and have taken your
advice. Also having some increased experiences in
lucid dreams, meeting personalities in dreams, etc.
Regards, WH
Topic RE: Contacting Gods
posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Hi William,
You seem to have overlooked 'Opening The Temple.'
Observe, if you will, that all esoteric Ritual, be it Wiccian,
Thelemite or wot-not,begins with a banishing; a purification and
consecration. You make no mention of casting a circle of any
form.
I do imagine that You have been fortunate, that you have only,
disturbed an entity's habitat.
Fortune also smiles on You, in that Frater Marabus supplies
'quickie spells' that should alleviate your discomfort.
If you explain your situation to The S.A, they will supply you
with the appropriate knowledge.
A clear idea of path would help, E.G. Qabala or Wicca? A clear
statement of intent, : invoking a specific God is also a good
idea for the beginner to contemplate.
All beginners, will hear voices, if you do well, you will
experience full manifestation of entities, as you intend; to
communicate telepathically during Ritual is normal, as I
percieve it. To have no control over the situation is, probably
the plight
of the psychotic.
To any beginners out there, it is wise to prepare yourselves
with the formalities of ritual, and prepare to work hard.
Aside from this 'false start', William, you seem to be achieving
a degree of success. S.A. supply a vast range of knowledge,
enjoy the
ride!
Topic Contacting Gods
posted by William H User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:25 PM
William H
Mar-09-2008 02:40 AM
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Recently I have been trying to seek a God. I have often went to
a quiet place and meditated and prayed for my God/s to reveal
themselves to me. I have looked up various Gods of different
pantheons that I feel some affinity with. I also try and get a
feeling of closeness to the 'divine'through running and hard
exercise which I find is good for overcoming the ego, and having
nice countryside all around.
The past few weeks I've had some weird experiences, a lightness
and faint-feeling where I feel half-out of body, and the past
few days I feel as though there is an almost electric energy
field around me which is sometimes so strong the skin of my
scalp tightens up and I get shivers down my neck and a queezy,
dizzy feeling. I recently went to a secluded dark room to try
and meditate to open my mind to this 'force' but it felt so
overwhelming like I had a voice in my head saying 'get out !' I
was really scared. I feel as though someone or something is
trying to speak to me, maybe not in actual words, but
communicate on some level, but the signal is not coming through
properly. Does this make sense to anyone ? I'm not a paranoid
schizophrenic or at least I don't think so !
Rgds,
William.
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posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:58 PM
has it worked as yet??
Did she fall in love with you as you had hoped? Any change at
all??
Topic Demons and conscentration
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Hi T. Your mind affects consensus reality as you have
experienced already. Conscentration comes with practice and
practice alone. your personel demons? thats another thread. M
prescribes staring at a dot drawn on a peace of card a few feet
away from you though you could expand that practice with rythmic
breating and pushing out thoughts. Crowleys yoga is exellent and
so is Pete Carrolls Liber MMM. Opening Gateways from M. is also
a great way forwards. A very gentle but very effective course.
Best Wishes
Ricenpeas
Thanks for the recommendation Ricenpeas. Just to clarify;
Opening Gateways is not actually by Fra Marabas but by Frater
Sisto.
For more info and a buy-now order button goto
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm BB Denise W.
]
Topic RE: Control spell.
posted by kimball User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 09:09 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:56 AM
with regard to inner demons. have you try marabas's self
exorcisem oexp it has done the trick for me.
best.
[Infoburst: Marabas's OEXP028
SELF-REGULATING EXORCISM RITUAL is available direct for
instant download right now.
Click on this link http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm
then scroll down to OEXP028 for more info. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Focus. posted by ONU
User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 01:04 AM
Hi, I've re-read your posting T, what you seem to require is
study of one pointedness. I expect S.A. have something
explaining this practice, hard work, but very neccessary.
If you can't find reference, I'll post a common Tibetan Bhuddist
technique. Best Wishes.
Topic RE: Control spell.
posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Hi T, yes, indeed. I see. My last entry, below, is MY path, I
reccomend a slow steady approach, there's a beginners thread,
which reccomends an 11 stage progression. It's typical of my
Holy Guardian Angel, to throw me in at the deep end.
I'm Geburic, born under Mars, cast into The sphere of Geburah,
and destined to be a Thelemite; a warrior religion, my life
has produced a thoroughly trained warrior. Ironic, as I was a
pacifist, or maybe the point.
I'm glad Denise hasn't been harsh with me, I can be quite a pain
in the proverbial. However, I'm pro Humanity, and pro S.A.
I scoured the world, seeing how lodges behave, then discovered,
the best of them is where I started! Frater Marabus is currently
The best Magician in Britain, that I've found, I've looked high.
You're in a good place.
You puzzle me vaguely, T, in a good way. I can't read you, which
might sound eccentric. My current thinking is that you may have
an exceptional future ahead. Best Wishes! Must dash.
Topic RE: Control spell.
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 17, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Greetings once again ONU, may I draw your attention back to my
earlier posting please. You will see that Denise has added a bit
to it which will be of benefit to us both I believe. T
Topic RE: Control spell.
posted by ONU User
posted on June 17, 2008 at 01:39 AM
Greetings T. Magick exists. To my surprise, 4 people such as
yourself have contacted me, in a short space of time;(One
evening.)
Don't believe Me, young one, consider, if you will, that my
viewpoint may hold some validity: Believe only your personal
experience, backed, preferably by book explanation. Of course,
I'll help you understand your path. Personal demons?
'They released me unto the Etheric planes age 15, where for four
years I battled demons, met Gods, without a clue that this was
'Magick' Please be concise in question, e.g. what do you
percieve as 'personal demon? Really tired, must sleep.
Blessings.
Topic RE: Control spell.
posted by T User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Greetings ONU, Thank you Sir for your offer. Although very
interested and curious I was unsure if magic really exsisted
outside fairytales and tv. I had 'drifted' along 'experimenting'
with magic gaining snippets of information from different
sources under the 'guidance' if I can use that word of people
whose ego's outweighed their knowledge and therefore probably
caused more problems for myself than I solved. It's true that
although I did not realise at the time, I was getting results
from my sloppy magic but my focus was wrong and I was getting
exactly what I asked for but there was the problem. Then 'as if
by magic' I found the SA and have had some good results with
their oils and with the binding spell. Love magic is where I
stumble though as I find it very difficult to focus during a
rite, maybe this is more to do with my own inner demons? What
are your views on this subject? Is this the most difficult as I
see many people have posted comments about it not working. I
disagree as I believe anything is possible providing you want it
bad enough.
T
Topic RE: Control spell.
posted by ONU. User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 01:24 AM
Greetings 'I'; Rectificiando, a term meaning 'to put right a
wrong' loosely. You wondered if I could offer further insight.
As able, certainly. In relation to my error, I follow certain
personal rules:(a) Never make forum comments unless entirely
confident concerning subject.
(b) Don't assume, check!
Why did I not follow my own rules? A whining excuse, or
objective view is, I was beyond exhaustion, following a
malicious, prolonged battle with a brute. But I am not a
beginner, had I behaved so stupidly during a Magickal operation,
I dread to ponder on the out-
-come! You seem a promising young(?) Man, (Your words resonate
as thoughtful, male.)If you wish to ask my opinion on any
occult
Topic, please do. Don't fret about critical opinion of me, you
didn't make pointless snide comments, I'm grateful for your
alert
to my error.
I'm no longer young, it's time to pass my knowledge on. I found
S.A. around 1979, the same year I, a young buck Magician, was
chosen as suitable Chela to a white bearded old rogue, who was
to be my Guru for 6 yrs. Thelema had found Me, as was/is my
destined life experience. After a year or so, I discovered E, my
guru was a Thelemite Master. He's long departed, yet my
relationship with S.A. endures, I feel a certain pride at being
of The S.A.O.S. I have met
many lodges, magicians, in this country,(England)and find it a
very good place to be;The S.A., I help, if able. you'd be
surprised at
'those who masquerade', or maybe not, you mention many self
appointed what-nots. Well, I shall conclude a brief, concise
description of the Thelemic inner orders, as a lot of
disinformation seems predominant, and there, I am entirely on
solid ground, no chance of serious error. Then, I must
concentrate on certain matters, leaving me little forum time. My
point; if you have queries with which I may be able to assist
your quest, please ask, sooner rather than later.
Light, Life, Love and Liberty.
Topic Control spell.
posted by ONU. User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 05:37 PM
Hell! I've just read the instructions and have really messed up
here. I was attacked, and applied the wrong type of force.
However, I was not using Fr. M's system.
Yes, I do have great respect for Frater Marabus, and with very
good reason.
That was an error I certainly won't make again.
I apologise entirely to S.A. and all I may have confused.
I really should know better than to confuse systems, I'm very
perturbed at my stupidity. I'm sorry. Best Wishes.
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posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 05:23 PM
Many sincere thanks I(?) for pointing this out. I particularly
respect your polite attitude.
I wasn't aware of this, and only decided to make comment when
the thread seemed 'stuck'
Basically, I've made an error. I havn't read all of Fr.
Marabus's
spells, by a long shot, wish I had/can those I have read are,
well, excellent. I'm pretty sick with myself for not thorouly
researching before commenting. No excuses.
Many thanks for pointing this out, I shall meditate. Thankyou.
With sincere Best Wishes to All.
Topic RE: Control spell.
posted by T User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:45 AM
Hi, this reply is to ONU really. If I may bring your attention
to your comment; 'To repeat the operation implies doubt, which
will hamper, even drag down the original swift arrow.'
I don't wish to offend you but I have purchased Marabas's
Lovespell kit which actually says that beginners may wish to
compound their magic by repeating the spell if they felt they
worked it incorrectly or feebly, which will make it stronger and
work quicker. I am only a beginner and seek experience and
knowledge rather than to get under anyones skin so please take
this as that and not as a critisism. I listened to far too many
self acclaimed experts before finding the SA but I have followed
you around the forum and you are obviously very knowledgeable
and you seem to have great respect for Marabas as do many others
(myself included) so felt I had to query your comments. I hope
you will take this in the manner it was intended and offer me
further insight? Thank you
[Infoburst: Greetings T. Marabas's spells are designed for
beginners. One of their problems is that they often do not have
sufficient belief in magic and are often so anxious when working
a spell that they may feel that they haven't done the spell
justice or made the right 'connections' on the astral. For
people who feel that their magic has not hit home re-working the
spell is a BENEFIT which outweighs the general rule evinced by
experienced magicians that magic should not be harked upon after
being cast. There are complex technical reasons why this is so
to do with the way the conscious and subconscious mind
communicates. However experienced magicians simply do not doubt.
So Marabas here again shows his wisdom by catering in his
spellkits specifically for the mind-set of beginners to give
them the best possible chance of success. (see M's range of
spellkits for most purposes on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm
. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Control spell.
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Hi, it was the SA's spellkit and instructions were to inject
commands nightly until I got my result. Still there are no signs
of change in the target. I am only a novice but had expected
things to have happened before now.
Topic Control spell.
posted by ONU User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 04:34 AM
Did you apply the correct force, with a link?
One should arrange the operation, raise power and let fly,
without further attachment, the Will wends its way.
To repeat the operation implies doubt, which will hamper, even
drag down the original swift arrow.
( This is Thelemic theory, expressed by Marabus as same
concept.)
Once prepared, released, leave the magick, if you will, until
prompted to view results. Happy Hunting.
Topic RE: Control and command spell
posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Hi Tony, I have had some success with this but i have only bound
the target and that was enough to stop them interferring without
giving commands so i'm afraid i can't help you with that side of
things.
Topic Control and command spell
posted by Tony User
posted on May 09, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Hi all, I've worked the spell and was wondering how many of you
out there had done this and how it went? I have been giving my
target commands for about 2 weeks but any divination shows no
change in the targets attitude. Am I doing something wrong? why
isn't my target doing as I order?
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Topic Serendipity. posted
by Druid User
posted on September 10, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Thanks for that, Michael, hadn't heard of it.
Might one ask, are you Lady Moonray's brother?
If so, where the hell are you! PLEASE get in touch, important!
Many thanks.
(Sorry to have gone off thread.)
Topic Thelemic Primer
posted by Michael User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 08:41 AM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:13 PM
As well as LM Duquette's Magick of Thelema there is also
Rodney Orpheus' Abrahadabra, recently reprinted, a guide
to starting solitary Thelemick Magick. He mentions working
with Marabas to develop Temple of Thelema incense.
Rgds, Michael.
[Infoburst:
To obtain the S.A.'s Original Temple of Thelema Incense click
here and scroll down the A-Z list to Temple of Thelema, BB
Denise W.
Topic L.M. DuQuette's works.
posted by Babalonuit888. User
posted on September 06, 2008 at 04:51 PM
Greetings,
Lon Milo DuQuette, is a fine Thelemic interperator of Crowleys
work. He's the first to say that some, will disagree with
certain of his viewpoints, an open minded, wise Fellow.
I wish to alert the seeker to a gem, a book entitled 'The Magick
of Thelema' By L.M. DuQuette: It contains the main rituals,
(Copied into my B.o.S) with clear explanation. Printed in '93,
if it's in print, S.A. will have it. An essential part of S.A.'s
allure, they stock the most, mmm, hard to obtain books. This
one's certainly a must for ones library!
Best to One and All.
Topic Book of Thoth/L.M. Duquette's book
posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Hi Jim,
It's intended to be supplemental and a primer to the Book of
Thoth
but not in any way to replace it. The author recommends reading
the
Book of Thoth until it falls apart then buying a new copy ! In
many
ways it is also a beginners book on Thelema explaining the Aeons
and deities etc rather than divination.
Best regards,
John.
Topic RE: OH! posted by
Jim Boyd User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 06:12 PM
Thanks to John and Samebody for your replies.
It is actually quite hard to even see the
squiggly 'embroidery'. Does SA sell Mr. Duquette's
book on the Thoth deck, is it simpler than the
Book of Thoth or just supplemental ?
Jim B.
Topic OH! posted by same
body. User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 02:19 PM
A thousand apologies, my eyesight? Need fresh pack? Sorry.
Kinda touched a nerve, as the whole 418 formula may be said to
revolve around Cheth, (cheth-yod-tau=418) the chariot.
Mr. DuQuette, tends to be right with details.
Glad that's cleared up, thanks.
All the best.
Topic RE: Error/Abrahadabra Chariot card
posted by John W User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Hello Jim Boyd & J. Same Body,
What Jim sees is not just his conception or a joke pack of
cards,
and the answer if there is one is not to be found in the Book of
Thoth either. The Hebrew letter of the Chariot is Cheth which
spelled in full enumerates 418 as does Abrahadabra, but for some
reason Lady Harris in her correspondence with AC uses the word
Abracadabra (Harris to AC, May 11, 1941: "The alteration of
Abracadabra (Charioteer) and the Taurus disk card are
complete..")
Also re Abrahadabra: "This word (with a slight Lady Harris TYPO)
can be seen EMBROIDERED in the canopy of the Chariot...")-
quotations from 'Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot'
by Lon Milo Duquette, an officer of the OTO.
Best to All,
John.
Topic Error. posted by J.
Same Body. User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 03:50 AM
Hi Jim,
Neither abracadabra or abraca Cadabra appear on the 'banner'.
What you see/state is your conception, unless you have a joke
pack of cards.
The genuine article: Thoth Tarot cards, including the little
book, which answers your question,
and the Book of Thoth, are available from S.A. and are the
genuine articles.
Good luck.
Topic Thoth Tarot: 'AbraCadabra' & the
Chariot posted by Jim Boyd User
posted on September 02, 2008 at 08:15 PM
Hello and Greetings,
Just ran across this forum and seen this thread on the
magnificent THOTH
Tarot. A niggly point that's bugged me for years about this deck
which I
truly love: Why is the word Abracadabra with a C in the middle
instead of
the Thelemic H written on the banner of the Chariot Trump ? I
used to think
it was a mistake by Harris overlooked by Crowley but wonder if
there might
be a reason otherwise ? The decription in the Book of Thoth if
memory serves
me right says Abrahadabra. Maybe some kind of Gematria reason ?
Does Abraca
Cadabra ever appear anywhere else with a C in the volumes of
Crowleyana ?
Cheers,
Jim.
Topic The '22' meditation.
posted by nome. User
posted on August 14, 2008 at 09:06 PM
Of course, the 22 path/Trump meditation may be practiced at any
time of the year, The day/night before a new moon, The Temple
should be prepared: Day 1 The first meditation is on the 32nd
path: The Universe; Tarot Trump;21 The corresponding writing in
The Book of Thoth shold be read. So on in order, with The
primary Banishing Ritual of the Lesser Pentagram each time, ,
rise through the 20th: The Aeon, etc. unto reaching 0, The fool.
This gives a comprehensive, colourful glimpse at the real
Thelema. Having ascended, Why not do the next One, as descending
the planes? Meditating on -The fool number 0-path 11, then The
Magician-number 1- The High Priestess;2, The Empress; 3 etc.
reading as before. After reading, If you will, then relax in
your most comfy asana, and visualise yourself moving toward the
card, as
a door with a handle that only you can control. Open the
Trump-door, and walk into the space within, closing door.
Observe the lucid visions that do arise, describing the path.
When the vision has finished, walk out of the Trumpdoor,
illuminated, and visualise, your body, imagining the re-uniting
of self and body you're mastery of the 'imagination worlds' is
effective,though many aren't content with their visualisation
skills, no matter, it works! as you're controlling it. This is a
most valuable meditation, The physical outlay is nothing
compared to the priceless forces/understanding etc. attainable.
Results should be noted in one's Magickal Diary, for reference.
Serenity, Understanding, to One and All.
nome.
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Topic 3 Magii. posted by
nome. User
posted on August 14, 2008 at 12:45 AM
edited on August 14, 2008 at 04:00 PM
Why, indeed, were the cards discarded? This triplicity of unity
seems innapropriate. Sounds like a potentialy confusing gimmick,
impure, the 'true' pack, created in Crowleys later years,
combined with the book, explains Thelema succintly, without
alteration.
For those who say the pack is too big to shuffle easily; instead
of shuffling sideways, try it length ways, problem sorted.
S.A.
stock both,
pack &
book.
>>>The Thelemic New Year: March 20th, is celebated by
daily meditation on each of the 22 paths/trump-cards. To be a
Purist, One should have a copy of 'The Holy Books of Thelema',
to quote daily excerpts , as given, appropriate to the days
path/card. 3 magii? The three wise men, in the New Aeon? Fishy.
'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' I say, welcoming all differing
viewpoints. All viewpoints have value, I'd enjoy any further
thoughts on this matter. Best Wishes, nome.
Topic 3 Magus Thoth deck
posted by Chris User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 11:36 PM
edited on August 14, 2008 at 04:02 PM
Good stuff John,see here also an explanation from Lon Milo
Duquette of the
OTO:
"The mystery of the three magi of the Thoth Tarot, is no mystery
at all. The seventy-eight cards of a standard tarot deck are
printed on four sheets of twenty cards per sheet. This provides
room for eighty card-size images per print run. Most publishers
fill the extra spaces by printing two instructional or
promotional cards. Rather than doing that, the Swiss publishers,
A.G. Mueller, decided to treat Crowley/Harris aficionados to a
little bonus by filling the extra spaces with two earlier
versions of the Magus that Harris completed but Crowley
rejected. They were never intended to replace or supplement the
final version of the card Crowley approved".
ps. Beware the '3 Magus editions' sold in many New Age shops are
smaller than
they should be and I don't mean the 'Pocket Thoth'.
Best get your Thoth deck
from the SA who always sell the best and correct sized version.
YITGW, Chris.
Topic RE: Crowley Thoth Tarot
posted by John W User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 12:24 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:40 PM
Hello D.Anderson, Crowley's 'Book of Thoth' will show you which
is the 'right' one of the 3 Magus/Magicians to use which is the
one AC authorised. Lady Frieda Harris who painted the Thoth
tarot often had to paint several editions until AC was
satisfied. I don't know how many of the
'unauthorised/rejected'paintings ever survived but I believe
these 2 extra Magicians are among the original set of
paintings(at the Warburg institute, London ?). They may also
have been kept because Lady Harris once put several of the
original paintings on display without AC's consent (there is a
pamphlet in existence of correspondence between AC/Harris and
others during the Thoth project in which AC mentions Harris
mischievously doing this display and using versions of Trump
no.1 he had rejected).
Tarot cards usually come in packs of 80 (why? ...dunno!) with 78
actual cards and 2 used as adverts or info of sorts. Some Thoth
editions will have the 78 plus two 'advert' cards, usually one
with Crowley's Unicursal hexagram and one with the OTO seal and
address. In other prints they have these two extra magician
cards (for show only, not to be used in the deck, though I
suppose
if you're not a purist you could leave out the official Magus
and use one
of the alternatives)
Hope this helps a bit. - John.
[Infoburst: Well posted and admirably succinct John. As you
rightly point out the Key to the Thoth Deck is Crowley's Book of
Thoth. The qabbalistic, mystic, numerical, symbolic and
allegorical meanings of each card are outlined in The Book of
Thoth in exhaustive detail. Presumably then the 'discarded'
duplicate cards were imperfect in his schema and so should not
be used for magical purposes. Tarot decks normally have 78 cards
but often carry two extra 'fly' cards to protect the pack
serving the purpose of 'fly leafs' in books.
BB Denise W. P.S. ]The Book of Thoth can be ordered from here
Topic Crowley Thoth Tarot
posted by D.Anderson User
posted on August 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM
To SA and forum readers, Hi,
I am thinking of getting a set of Crowley Thoth Tarot cards and
have heard
that there is a 78 card edition and an 80 card edition with 2
additional
magician cards. Can SA tell me if they supply which edition ?
Also, are these
additional 2 magicians just for comparison or to use and does it
matter
which is used ? (A bit confused !)
Thank you in advance for any replies,
D.Anderson
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Topic Crystal Ball/skrying
posted by Kay User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 07:24 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Greetings,
I am very interested in skrying and would like to know what
method is best between skrying bowl, mirror or crystal ball.
and do you need a condenser or fluid to help/annoint the
crystal ball, etc ?
With a crystal ball, do the quartz ones all have natural
patterns
inside or are glass ones better because they are totally clear ?
Blessings,
Kay.
[Infoburst: Hi Kay, There's no point in re-inventing the wheel.
All these questions are answered by Marabas
in the S.A.'s Teaching Catalogue under the section on Crystal
Balls. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Crystals & Gems
posted by Denise W User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 10:02 AM
M says that Crystals and Gems and Mineral Magic is a much
neglected fundamental aspect of Natural Magic which has
extensive ramifications for everyone far beyond the NAN industry
that has been built up around placing gems on the chakras for
healing purposes. Marabas says that although there is plenty of
evidence of gem magic being used even in prehistory (Amber and
Jet) the main practitioner/innovator of the use of gems and
minerals for healing was Paracelsus (1493-1541) who was
considered by the medical establishment as the 'Father of Modern
Medicine'. It was Paracelsus who, trained in medicine and
astrology and a theurgic alchemist to boot, experimented with
the 'energies' of stones and minerals related to their
astrological influences and created medicines from them that
worked so well that he was hounded by his peers. However his
work lead directly to the modern use of pharmacology and the
drug industry - yet another example of the occult influencing
history and probably saving millions of lives in the process.
There is DEEP significance in the action of minerals on human
life and Marabas hopes to complete an OEXP on this subject soon.
Meanwhile you can read what he has already written on here,
including the OEXPs our contributors mention above. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Crystals & Gems
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 10, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I received a leaflet from S.A. once with an order about 'Gnome
Magic' explaining the uses of a few different stones and sent
for some. Maybe S.A. could add more info on uses of stones to
the website. Some may be put off because of different new age
type claims about stones/crystals as to what their actual
properties
are ? Tiger's eye is really good, strong stone.
Topic Crystals & Gems
posted by John User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 04:32 PM
edited on July 11, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Does anyone have any experience of positively applying crystals
and semiprecious gems to their lives as charms/amulets or in
magic ?
I've used clear quartz crystals (points) in many ways for years
and their usefulness is unquestionable and they are so
versatile.
I recently downloaded marabas' lesson on charging Rock crystals
which has opened up other ideas for me. I've never used a double
terminated Quartz as I'm unsure how to apply these but
interested
to possibly experiment.
I also carry a Tiger's eye all the time. It really does give
energy
and confidence. Interested to hear anyone alses experiences or
pointers...
Best regards,
John
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Topic RE: Dagger posted by
changing.redcarAThotmail.co.uk User
posted on April 22, 2008 at 09:03 AM
Thanks for all the suggestions, I certainly will be looking into
sorting this matter.
Though all the same I very much doubt ever getting any trouble
with having a ceremonial dagger I suppose the best way is to
cover it before the worst happens
Some great advice here - thanks
Steve
Topic RE: Dagger posted by
Denise W User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 02:56 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Hi Ste,
In 1997 when the then new limitations on age occurred in the
Offensive Weapons Act (driven by the killing of a London
schoolmaster by an ex-pupil) The S.A. was once again the first
and only esoteric suppliers to see the threat to working
occultists and instigated the registration of magical knives and
swords as religious implements, enabling genuine seekers to
carry athames and swords purchased from us to group meetings and
not break the law because they had a-priori evidence of it being
a religious implement within the Act. To carry an existing
handed-down or home-made athame legally will require several
critera to be met to prove in a court of law that the knife is
a-priori solely for religious use. The only advice we can give
is that users should do this well before any possible situation
arises - a photograph and a notarised declaration lodged with a
solicitor would probably be sufficient.
Puretongue's link gives a lot of useful background but religious
knives are a special case which are not fully covered. The full
background to the Act and the case of religious knives is
contained in the S.A.'s legal leaflet which comes automatically
with any knife/sword they sell. If you purchase a knife from
anywhere else without this registration you are very much at
risk.
If you are thinking of making your own athame then you should go
to
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm
and scroll down to Constructing Magical Knives, an OEXP written
by Marabas which you can download instantly and which contains
important details both initiated and lawful about how to
construct your own magical knife or dagger.
BB Denise W.
P.S. American clients of the S.A. will be wondering what all the
fuss is about. Seeing as
how their right to carry firearms is enshrined within their
constitution, possession of a knife seems very small beer.
Topic RE: Dagger posted by
Puretongue User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 08:19 AM
Is this any help?
http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/law.html
Topic Dagger posted by
mcparted User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 10:36 AM
I know I know, it's a knife of the art
But I've inherited Marcia's knife of the art, and was wondering
with all the new knife law how I stand
Now it's highly unlikely that I'm going to get pulled up with
it, but if I do the Police will sure say "dagger".
Any recommendations would be appreciated
Thanks ste
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Topic RE: Dark Lily Study Papers
posted by Paul User
posted on July 25, 2008 at 07:39 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Thanks for the infoburst. I appreciate what you are saying. :)
I ran a DL website for a few years, with (ex) DL members both
aware and contributing some articles. DL also allowed me to
reproduce all the Dark Lily journals online. This is the basis
upon which I believe it is okay with DL for me to attain copies
of the Study Papers. I am not seeking to make any money (nor did
I make any money from the website).
At the time Magda (DL editor) did not have copies of the study
papers or the journals if I remember correctly.
[Infoburst: No problem Paul, the objective was to alert anyone
who might be lulled by the free-for-all of information on the
net into thinking that there is no copyright on older
manuscripts and order papers. There is and it is important not
the least because it keeps the works pristine from plagiarism,
corruption and misrepresentation. Nuff said. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Dark Lily Study Papers
posted by Paul User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 07:43 AM
edited on July 18, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Hi, thanks for your reply. :)
I have spoken with Magda in the past and she no longer had any
copies of these. So I was hoping that a Dark Lily
subscriber/Occultist/Satanist, who may have received the Study
Papers when they were issued, might still have some that I could
copy.
I understand that the DL Study Papers were expansions on the
main DL articles...
Thanks again. :)
Paul
[Infoburst: Paul, you must keep in mind that anything produced
by DL was copyrighted and it is illegal for anyone to lend you
their originals to make copies from. You can of course pay to
purchase originals in the second hand market. ]
Topic RE: Dark Lily Study Papers
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 03:54 PM
If you have no further replies, I might suggest asking SA by
letter or email to pass your request to the former editor of DL
who might be able to assist you. She once supplied me with every
copy of DL in back-issue but no study papers as I remember.
Topic Dark Lily Study Papers
posted by Paul User
posted on July 15, 2008 at 01:21 PM
Hi all,
Nice to see this forum here. :)
I am just wondering (as I have been seeking the original papers
for some years now) if anyone has any copies of the Study Papers
issued by the Society of Dark Lily. There was a journal (of
which I have copies) circa 1986-1993 and during this time DL
issued some Study Papers.
I am prepared to pay for copies of these.
Thanks very much
Paul
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Topic RE: DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR Best read
before browsing the forum. posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 04:47 PM
Hi Denise,
I think you are totally right. All that AA stuff and links that
expire in 72 hours!! If only they would.Hehe!
Topic DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR Best read before
browsing the forum. posted by Denise User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:35 PM
Hi brothers and sisters, Denise here. In response to the
inevitable mystical hyperbole which has been injected into some
of the existing threads on the SAEF; Marabas thought long and
hard about this forum before inaugurating it. The main problem
was how to avoid it being hi-jacked by the usual psychobabblers
one finds massaging their egos on many other forums and
misleading newcomers; in the process diluting and misdirecting
the debates. He finallly decided that this was not so much a
danger as a raison d'etre for the SAEF. is THE place where
the usual portentious titles and pompous
language means nothing. A place where any silliness will be
ridiculed by the users themselves making the SAEF an
uncomfortable place for those with delusions of grandeur.
It is a sign of the bankruptcy of so much of the New Age today
that so many people are so easily mislead by grand-sounding
names and dramatic Order Titles sprinkled with a smattering of
mystical hyperbole. This smacks of that worst magical sin -
'dependency' and M will have none of it. He says there's
something wrong if you can't explain your magic in plain
English. (please don't jump to tell me about Gematria, Enochian
etc - these are symbolic languages used at the sharp end of
magic and even tutorship in them requires plain English first).
It is important not to confuse Magic with Mystification. M says
that the workings of magic will always be mystifying but that
anyone whose magical pronouncements are so abstruse as to always
be mystifying is hiding something - probably their true intent.
At an earlier time Secrecy was paramount to save lives - today
secrecy should only be reserved to protect the confidentialities
of members and to hide those areas for which ordinary folk are
unready. Secrecy for secrecies sake is an anathema for any true
initiate and it won't be accepted on the SAEF. We are sure that
forum contributors will set the standard and desparage anyone
from such pretences if they catch them doing so.
The bottom line is this: No genuine occult initiate or group
would tread on Marabas's toes and use this forum for
proclamations or recruiting unless they asked Marabas first. To
make sure that
forum users are aware of this we will always add a comment in
any such thread to show that we are aware of the
situation/procolamation. This is not a form of censorship - we
are not here to rubber-stamp, condone or promote any single
aspect of the occult - just a method of authenticating a thread
and enabling new forum users to differentiate between the wheat
and
the chaff. If users want to waste their time with the
Ipssissimus of The Grand Chivalric Order of The Numti they are
at liberty to do so. Just so long as they know. BB Denise W.
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Topic RE: Destiny posted
by Karen User
posted on July 30, 2008 at 03:37 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:45 PM
Well, Denise, I plan to download and read at least the first
OEXP you mentioned in response to my original post. In fact, I'd
do it now, if I weren't flat broke for the next couple of days.
I'm sure it will give me some good information and ideas.
As for NAN, I'm really not that conversant in the whole range of
"New Age" ideas. There are some I'm familiar with; but the New
Age movement has tons of different ideologies, sects,
worldviews, corrupted cross-pollinations, and whatnot, much of
which I know nothing about aside from a vague awareness of their
existence. Hence, if I was spouting "New Age Nonsense", I
probably wasn't aware of it...
You are off-message again Karen. Marabas's OEXPs don't give the
reader 'good ideas', you are confusing his unique OEXPS with the
usual mediocre aspirational writings offered on the net.
Marabas's OEXPs reach into your inner-space grab a fistful of
your soul and drag your awareness inside out so that nothing is
ever the same again. One read can literally change your life.
That's why there is no substitute for getting and reading
Marabas's teachings. BB Denise W]
Topic RE: Destiny posted
by Karen User
posted on July 29, 2008 at 01:47 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:15 PM
Thanks to everyone who has responded to this thread, both here
and by email! I hope I have not been the cause of any serious
quarrels (i.e. I hope the two most recent posters have come to
an understanding by now). Clearly there are many wise people on
this forum from whom I can learn plenty.
I am beginning to realize (you can tell I'm a Yank by my
spellings, I'm sure...LOL) that my goals have been rather
unclear for some time; and I need to sit down and brainstorm and
write down some really clear plans and goals for both the
short-term and long-term. I've noticed that candles are good
tools for helping my mind focus better, among other things. For
a long time I've been asking Spirit why he/she/it isn't
supporting my dreams, goals, etc.; only today a message popped
into my head--"So, what the heck ARE they, specifically?!" Uh,
well... Also, there's a lot of talk around the Net about people
finding their life's purpose at long last. That's another day's
work, I expect.
Anyhow, thanks again to all who have posted here and emailed me
over the past week or so; it's given me plenty of info to go
over for a few evenings after dinner...
[Infoburst: That's just New Age Nonsense Karen - you haven't
learned anything - you've just had your fears ameliorated by
misguided comments by other forum members and so have sunk back
into the mediocrity which is causing your perpetual problem.
Sympathy can be very destructive. It is precisely because you
are not yet ready that the gods are pushing you so much. READ
THE BLOODY OEXPS! This forum is populated by nice people but
don't get the idea that it is here to perpetuate niceness - a
swift kick up the ass often does far more than a million
emolient words could ever do , as Taoist magicians often aver!
Many other people in trouble are reading this forum and they are
not going to go away with the idea that a way to find their true
destiny is to sit down and make lists! BB. Denise W. ]
Topic The Fates. posted by
Draconuit. User
posted on July 27, 2008 at 07:36 PM
Sorry, couldn't resist that one. Whether it be in this vale of
tears, or in the clear light of afterlife, you,ll see, and find
it 'oh, so amusing' The mud-Bhudda-idea is good. I won't spoil
your fun with my viewpoint.
By the way, Anne B. I was born with memory, and, aged 35, did
the 'right thing', giving my blood to the cup, eyes locked with
Choronzon, Lord of illusion, for 26 days and nights, no sleep,
no food, I entered-------
4 years later, I uncurled, from foetal, to find my self, my
body, well, I too have a wheelchair, constant slow release
morphine, and liquid morphine, for 'breakthrough pain'
situations. And I Laugh
with open throat! I have 4 high diplomas, and was about to open
my own business, when the FATES declared I should live on my
decent pension, studying, and practising Magick! Funny?
HILARIOUS!
A nods as good as a wink.......
Topic Fate. posted by
Anonymous User
posted on July 27, 2008 at 06:44 PM
Of course, I believe in free will, I have no choice:)
Topic Destiny posted by
AnnB User
posted on July 24, 2008 at 04:14 PM
Karen Peace in your inner self will help you to receive your way
into life aiming to high and too quickly will only hamper your
rise there is no quick fix in life take that from an old lady
who has had a great deal of grief and hurt to deal with.
Dont give up but find your inner happiness and things will be
better never be impatient know thats easy to say but we learn
all our life listen to others on the forum they speak a lot of
sense especially the lovely saing the deeper the mud the higher
the buddha
All love to you
Topic Destiny, fate, Adversity
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 12:03 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:17 PM
Please understand also that destiny and Fate are two different
things.
We can all alter our destiny, that is what the Great Work of
Magick/the
occult sciences are about: Taking up your own destiny in your
own hands and
changing it as you Will. Fate is something else, it is the
predetermined
such as when you are born and when you will die. Understand also
that we
can only do as much as we have the potential for as human
beings, Magickal
power is 'borrowed' from the divine, you must ask for it and be
given it as
the divine/gods see fit, they will also not give anyone a free
and easy ride
because life necessitates a certain amount of suffering and
hardship to
cause maturity of spirit. Lesson number one is whether we think
it or not
in our ego-mind to say 'I am responsible for my condition, no
one else'
and 'I refuse to feel like a victim'. There is a Japanese saying
'The deeper
the mud the higher the Buddha'. Smile at adversity and it may
sooner pass.
[Infoburst: Well said! BB Denise W]
Topic RE: Destiny posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 04:22 PM
Thers a couple of lessons on Karma. That might help.
Ricenpeas
Topic Destiny posted by
Karen User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 03:49 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 05:00 PM
I'm being tormented by this concept right now, and have been for
some time. I'm trying to figure out what destiny is, how it
develops, whether it can (or should) be changed, and how one
might go about changing it. When I was meditating one day not
long ago, a message came from somewhere that "Today is the
destiny of your past (that is, your life up till now)."
Interesting idea. I only wish I had some idea where I was
heading at this moment.
I'm really tired of being chronically poor, and way behind in my
professional (musical) goals; but so much of what I've tried
hasn't done anything to change this. I don't want to be destined
to live like this the rest of my life; but it often seems like
some Higher Power or other wants me stuck in this rut forever.
In other words, I feel rather trapped, stuck, or something; and
everything I've worked on to change things just sort of goes
flat. I know that there is literature available from the S.A. on
this subject; but can anyone point me to what which be the best
cyberbook, or whatever, to check out for my own situation?
Thanks in advance for any pointers...
Hi Karen, The OEXP you need is OEXP010 Why Things Go Wrong in
People's Lives and How They can Break Into 'GoodLuck'
You can download it from here instantly and make a start right
now. Lots of people say it has saved them lots of suffering.
Also look at OEXP066 on Karma. Marabas says that the gods always
make you lose faith in yourself in order to bring you to a state
of transformation, before you can kick-start your destiny again,
so take heart, read the OEXPs and work through it. BB Denise W.
]
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Topic Tarot books posted
by Anonymous User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 11:39 AM
edited on July 18, 2008 at 12:40 PM
What is the best book to learn tarot ? Denise recommends works
by Connolly (Eileen Connolly) in another thread but can't see
them on SA booklist. I saw this book once 'Tarot, new handbook
for the Apprentice by Connolly, is that it ?
[Infoburst: Yes, thatŽs the one. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Book on seduction by LaVey
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Read 'the satanic Witch' by Anton LaVey (originally reviewed
very favourably in Cosmopolitan in the '70s when originally
published as the Compleat witch). It's about seduction, not
satanism so don't panic. SA sell it.
Topic RE: Did anyone have luck with Snow
Queen?? posted by Paul User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 07:41 AM
Why don't you use positive psychology, flirting etc? Might work
better than a spell... :)
Topic Did anyone have luck with Snow Queen??
posted by Lucy User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:45 PM
This guy likes me, but i want to get him to date me, or better
still make a pass at me!!
What is the best spell for this type of thing??
Thanks a lot.
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Topic RE: Homosexuality
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on April 17, 2009 at 12:01 AM
I find it a little odd that Homosexual currents are still
shunned by some Magicians in this day and age. To label myselves
as a straight Male is an unhappy contradiction. As Bruce Lee
says "Never point your finger at the moon. You miss the whole of
the Sky".
Peasnrice
Topic Homosexuality posted
by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 01:27 AM
Pioneer but still clinging to the pendulum of her timing
Topic RE: dion fortune views on homosexuality
posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Risky indeed, and strangely anally retentive! Marabas says that
before you read any book you should look on the imprint page to
see when it was first published because they are all a product
of their period. As the occult renaissance gathered place in the
late 1800s you could still be prosecuted for witchcraft and the
church had a strangelhold over the Establishment. Occult authors
of the time trod a very fine line and had to throw in the
obligatory deference to the Establishment in order to remain
free to express themselves in other ways. Additionally, many of
those authors were themselves products of their period and
homophobia was de-rigeur for any 'decent' person in those days.
It is up to the reader to intelligently unpick the gems of
knowledge in these books from the pretences and smokescreens put
there to disinterest the profane. Fortune's other work The
Esoteric Philosophy of Love and Marriage sounds today like a
promol leaflet from a chastity belt manufacturer - yet her grasp
of qabbalah and her understanding of initiated perspectives is
easily seen in The Mystical Qabbalah and any of her occult
novels. In short an occult authors moral opinions are different
to statements of fact about magical technique. Marabas says a
lot depends how you define 'souls'. As that vital spark of
divine life within us EVERYTHING has soul to a genuine
esotericist and all are part of the same unified cosmic dance.
Everyone's energy field is different and is never constant so
change has to be accounted for. A person's energy seeks to
complete itself in a way suitable to its own nature to allow
that nature to further evolve. This must be taken into account
during ceremonies - but only in the same way that you would take
into account a different phase of the moon, or a different
season. M says it is all a matter of balancing energies. BB
Denise W.
Topic Dion Fortune. posted
by Draconuit. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Dion Fortunes book on Qaballah was the best I've read, out of
print
I believe. I didn't read 'Psychic self defense'. Her legacy, The
society of The Inner Light, insists that applicants be
exclusively British, with good knowledge of fairy tales,(which
do contain much
British occult meaning) that because of the sexual polarity in
their workings, do not accept Homosexuals. Anyone who has ever
taken a drug not prescribed, e.g. cannabis, are permanently
'changed' and unsuitable. I guess these requirements were
formulated by Ms. Fortune. That's their prospectus for
candidates, what do you make of it? I find the drug statement
daft, personally. I had many Magickal experiences before taking
any drugs, then I was prescribed ergotamine based migraine
treatment,
ergot is the basis of L.S.D. and I found a legal, very potent
hallucinogen. That would be acceptable, taking L.S.D. wouldn't.
It takes all sorts to make a world, in this case, a very
specific sort. I read this directly from the application
booklet, I wonder what others think of this?
Topic dion fortune views on homosexuality
posted by kimball User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 11:05 AM
does any one out ther have any views on the subject of dion
fortune's theory of homosexual's having none human soul's. It
sounds realy riskay. One chapter in her book spychic self
defence lay's out one theory.
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posted by Karen User
posted on April 16, 2008 at 01:40 AM
Thanks to the person who emailed me the Regardie writings! I
don't know if he wants to be identified by name; but thank you
in any case...
Topic Distance Healing
posted by Karen User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:42 AM
Does anyone here have experience with performing or receiving
healing over a certain distance? Are there some techniques that
work better than others? Does anyone have any technical
recommendations for this; that is, magickal techniques,
meditations, specific tools, magical oils, etc.? Thanks in
advance; it's something else I'm trying to learn more about...
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special posted by kimball User
posted on July 20, 2010 at 09:40 AM
It's a question that has been with me for a while now. And so
i've decided to throw it out ther to hear what other's may
think. TAOIST'S follow the tao which as far as i can gather is
so opposed to the ego driven game of cob's as to be like oil and
water. Yet marabas say's that the cult of being special should
be play in order for people to keep evolving. Any taker's on
this one...
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Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your
Beliefs? posted by Mouse User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 09:53 PM
Need you ask? Of course they do...the media misrepresent a lot
of things, but in the case of Pagan beliefs, that tendency is
increased by prejudice and fear.
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your
Beliefs? posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 04:47 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Hi, that's really disturbing but gives an opening for Marabas to
convey the following which he dictated to me. It's instructive
to compare the psychology of hate perpetrated in children's
books of that kind with the way that the Golliwog was censored
out of Enid Blytton's Noddy series. If we fill our children's
minds with prejudice against old ladies no wonder most old women
will die alone and unloved - yet the PC lefties will work
overtime (justifiably!) to expunge any racist or anti-feminist
references.
Thus today it is increasingly open-season on free-thinkers in
the occult. Marabas prophecied this and covers all its
manifestations in his Secrets Of Mind Control
( see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindcont.htm ).
It is quite likely that the author of this school-book is a
fundamentalist Christian knowingly perpetrating these ancient
blood libels in order to recapture the minds of the young.
However the PC card cuts both ways and following the
innauguration of the British Human Rights Act (2000) every head
of every school (and every civil servant) has a legal
responsibility to PROTECT the rights of children and their
parents from vilification of their beliefs and religious
perspectives. Any parent who sees this kind of impropaganda
being promoted can bring the head's attention to this fact and
demand a withdrawal of the book (see SAFF website for full
rights). If they do not do so the local council must, if they
refuse there is a government ombudsman for human rights and
other avenues to pursue, including ultimately the EEC court of
human rights in Strasbourg. However, and this is very important
to consider, by making a fuss you are likely to polarise the
school and must keep in mind that as an esotericist you will
always be in a MINORITY and may well win the battle but suffer
discrimination in the ongoing war for freedom of belief. BB
Denise W. Scribe to Marabas
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your
Beliefs? posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 07:56 PM
The media misrepresents everyone - even themselves! It is a
malignant and monstrous dragon that needs to be slain.
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your
Beliefs? posted by Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 01:36 AM
I live in the US and I can honestly say that it has been my
experience that the media OFTEN misrepresents just about
everything. They have their own agenda and how they want to spin
the story, for better or for worse, and they take bits and
pieces of things said and done to present factual proof to
fictional stories. Green Day really pegged it when they wrote
American Idiot-When I say I am Wiccan, so many people try to
tell me what it is that they just know that I believe. How sad.
Topic re: media representation
posted by feeorin User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 10:19 PM
hi there,
it was hard to find a place to put this... as its just a thing i
had to say.... but i thought as this was a media area.... can i
suggest that watching pans labyrinth is well worth the time and
effort... it might restore some understandable lost faith in
media! i think this film is incrediable! i wont tell u nothing
about it just take a look for urself! some may disagree which is
fine! but its the closet ive seen to postive representation of
old belief! (please make acceptions for the ending mind, to my
mind it is the films only true downfall)
feeorin xxx
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your
Beliefs? posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:30 PM
I am an ordained priest in The Church Of Satan and am now the
leading media reprsentative for the organisation in the UK. I
don't even know where to begin. Journalists simply never do any
research and keep asking the same tired old ignorant questions.
It should be noted however, that we do not believe in pandering
to victim status and complaining about being misunderstood.
Quite frankly, unless we are directly accused of being involved
in criminal activity we rarely even bother to enlighten them.
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your
Beliefs? posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:11 PM
I have to say that I blame the Pagan Fed for a lot of this media
misinformation. They are rather naive of such things and would
rather do interfaith moots with raving fumdamentalists than
address issues that are vital to occlutist freedoms.
Topic RE: Do The Media Misrepresent Your
Beliefs? posted by Dale User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:00 PM
Here's a good one for you.
I'm a photographer working for a group of Birmingham newspapers
(thats the media bit...)
My youngest son came home a few months ago with a school library
book (can't remember the title) about a wicked witch and her
daughter who ate a boiled boy for tea. I got my arse in my hands
and went to the school to complain. After a rant I said to the
head teacher "Would you have a book in the school library about
a muslim kid that goes into a crowded market and detonates a
bomb on his chest?" "Oh, no!" was the reply. Another rant saying
one does really happen and the other is total fiction was met by
a shrug of the shoulders.
When I tried to run a story in our papers I hit a brick wall!
Paganism is still seen as a kind of cult/joke/wierd fad by the
media. I have tried to change thinking by doing features on
Litha and Lammas celebrations at The Custard Factory in Brum.
The media pay lip service at best to Pagan practices.
Topic Do The Media Misrepresent Your Beliefs?
posted by Denise User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 12:07 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Hi folks, Just thought you might be interested in this month's
S.A. Poll. ' Do The Media Misrepresent Your Occult Beliefs' . Go
to www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/census.htm and register your
opinion with a single click at the bottom of the page. Then
check out what others think. Interesting.... BB Denise W.
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Topic RE: croydon libary ban
posted by kimball User
posted on April 09, 2010 at 04:29 PM
YEA they do like to china bash dont they just to divert
attention
Topic RE: croydon libary ban
posted by kimball User
posted on April 03, 2010 at 05:08 PM
edited on April 06, 2010 at 09:31 AM
Im taking up your advice using high john the conquer oil any
letter's i send to my m.p's or local constitue's. tho i think it
might be a security fault with ther computers since they have
had trouble with ther computer's for years. will keep you posted
[INFOBURST: Thanks for that Kimball, the use of High John is a
great idea and please do let us all know how you get on. It is
interesting to reflect that shortly after you placed your
original news about Croydon capitulating to the Xists and
banning the S.A. the campaign by Google to counter censorship of
the net by the Chinese government made headline news! So easy
for the Establishment to divert the plebs'attentions away from
what is happening to denude THEIR freedom of speech in favour of
criticising a politically convenient scapegoat eh?
BB Denise W]
Topic croydon libary ban
posted by kimball User
posted on March 19, 2010 at 05:31 PM
edited on March 22, 2010 at 02:38 PM
just found out that my local libary (croydon clocktower)internet
has ban the s.a website from it's server. im gob smack. and tick
off
[Infoburst: So much for liberal academe! When this kind of
censorship happens it is usually because the library has
accepted a third party fundie inspired ban list which cleverly
blacklists the most well known occult bookshops etc. If you
complain to the head librarian they can set our site so it is
seen by adults surfing the net and not by under 18s, though as
we already impose our own voluntary ban on sales to under 18s
( see this for why: http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/minors.htm)
and there is nothing illegal on our website it is suitable for
general use and these bans simply underline how the
dissemination of important spiritual truths are being
censored by religious prejudice. Of course they wouldn't think
twice about including images of a naked Jesus with his hands and
feet nailed to a cross and with blood gushing from a gaping
wound in his side - showing that to children is not only
permissible but actually welcomed by mosts of the hypocrites who
want to ban occult books as being psychologically damaging for
children! Thanks for letting us know. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Do we live in a totalitarian
society posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:29 AM
PART THREE:
Every person who has ever 'swallowed' any of the many false
scares which the ruling elite has created over the past few
decades, (Satanic Ritual Child Abuse, Global Warming etc.,) is
guilty of supporting and condoning their own mental
incarceration. That is why, as Herne queried, Satanism is so
important for the well-being of mankind. Satanists can be relied
upon to keep the doors of free-thought open in all creative
areas. Artists, musicians, writers and unorthodox beliefs
everywhere owe a real and very deep debt of gratitude to the
many self-styled satanists who have trod the path of mental
liberation, sometimes at great personal cost over many hundreds
of years to keep those pathways of free-thought open. Love 'em
or hate 'em, satanists should be the FIRST people to be offered
support and protection when they are attacked by the
Establishment because if they fall, so will we all. An
understanding of how our interests are bound up with theirs, is
one of the first stages on the way to adepthood.
Obviously here I am speaking of genuine satanists, and not the
pimple-faced teenage wannabees who dance around in graveyards to
get some attention.
You can find more background to this debate on the SAFF website
here:
Keep up The Good Work
Denise Wadsworth, Scribe to Marabas
Topic RE: Do we live in a totalitarian
society posted by Denise W User
posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM
PART TWO:
Oh, except in parliament of course, where the defamation law
doesn't apply and any MP can say what he wants to about you,
however much of a lie it might be, and is protected by
'parliamentary privilege'.
The history of the internet encapsulates how the ruling elite
retake control using subterfuge based on the ignorance and
stupdity of the masses. The internet is TRULY democratic. When
first originated anyone could say what they liked about
anything. Of course a lot of this was evil nonsense but it was
at least a level playing field of evil nonsense which enabled
free-thinkers to make an informed decision. This gave power to
the people.
Just like the printing presses threatened the monopoly of the
church in the 15c, it became clear that the internet made
parliament obsolete. What is the point of continuing with a 400
year old system designed when it took an MP three days to travel
by coach from his constituency to Parliament to vote? In those
days there was no alternative. The local political system was
set up to supposedly seek out the feelings of constituents and
convey it to Parliament where the MP supposedly voted en-bloc
for what they wanted. Now we can do that with the press of a
button on the internet. It is technically possible now for
EVERYONE to have a say in EVERYTHING that goes on in this
country and give their vote on ALL matters pertaining to our
laws - within an instant.
Parliament is obsolete, but the democratists will not relinquish
power and to protect themselves they used the old trick of
firstly trying to discredit the medium - building an image of
the internet as evil, wicked, untrustworthy, criminal, etc. and,
particularly, massaging scares about the lack of security of
information (so that they could use it as a reason to refuse to
set up on-line voting) regardless of the farcical security
surrounding ballot boxes and postal votes! Regardless of the
fact that 99% of government confidential data is digitised.
In order to take control of the internet, (just as the churches
took control of the printing presses in the 15c.) they have
turned it against the people and now use leading-edge technology
to surrveil YOU and I and everyone else to a point which is so
intrusive that it would have been completely unacceptable and
caused revolution 25 years ago. Marabas explained all this and
prophecied it all and more, in detail when he wrote
Secrets of Mind Control (see details here which every
freethinker should read and can download) decades ago but the
point to remember is not the individual indignities which the
government imposes almost daily but the root cause of it as
outlined above.
In a democracy the people at the top will only listen to their
citizens if they threaten their powerbase. 30 years ago when the
Green Party first began they were considered fanatics. The
moment they began to get votes ALL the parties moved Green-Left
in their policies and now Labour has gone into idiotic overdrive
concerning the Global Worming scare. BNP policies were condemned
until they began winning seats over immigration whereupon the
main parties all adopted anti-immigration policies considered
unacceptable before. The very moment the public catch-up to what
the politicians are doing with IT is the time when they can be
stopped - that is why they MUST control the Information
Technology Revolution and have, under the guise of 'security',
imposed restrictions, censorship and invoked punitive new laws
to all but destroy the lives of anyone who tries to breach those
restrictions.
Every person who has ever 'swallowed' any of the many false
scares which the ruling elite has created over the past few
decades, (Satanic Ritual Child Abuse, Global Warming etc.,) is
guilty of supporting and condoning their own mental
incarceration. That is why, as Herne queried, Satanism is so
important for the we
Topic RE: Do we live in a totalitarian
society posted by Denise W User
posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:26 AM
I agree with your sentiments Herne and your heartfelt comments.
I believe many hundreds of thousands of other citizens of the
Western World who have seen their inalienable human rights
destroyed in progressive fashion over the past 25 years are also
becoming aware of the tyranny which is unfolding. Marabas
teaches that this is a BIG subject because it actually involves
all aspects of human creative thought and endeavour and to try
to sum up everything in one statements is virtually impossible.
However, Marabas says it is all about Power and the Control of
Power and though this cycle has been going on for millennia it
is easier to understand it if we look at relatively modern
times.
The basic recipe goes like this: We have been pap fed the
illusion of democracy for 400 years by the ruling monarchistic
elites worldwide who eked out their power in a feigned democracy
as a controlled alternative to other systems which would
completely remove them. The Magna Carta didn't bring democracy
to the people, it just swapped one greedy megalomaniac (the
King) with a bunch of greedy megalomaniacs (the Barons). The
English Civil War didn't bring democracy it just replaced a
bunch of Baronial megalomanicas with a bunch of religious
fundamentalists in a pseudo-theocracy. The lie that Democracy is
the only alternative has been ingrained into our minds by
Democratists to such an extent that it has become the
justification for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and many other
sins, including carpet bombing women and children in the cities
of the Ruhr in WWII, yet the ancient Greeks who originated the
idea of Democracy didn't actually think much of it and chose
other ways of living communally instead. The Romans of course
had their Dictators and they didn't make too bad a job of
civilisation for the thousand or so years they were the major
superpower.
The con in Democracy is the idea that everyone has a vote, a
say, in what happens but obviously history shows this only
applies to things which are not of importance. There is no way
that the 5,000 mandarins who influence the destiny of this
country are going to allow plebs like you and I to make the
'wrong' choice in a referendum - witness the renaging of the
promised referendum on membership of the EEC by labour and MANY
other instances which did not please our economic masters. When
did you vote as to whether Britain should go to war in Iraq? The
real purpose of democracy is to fool the people into believing
that what they think matters and that the system provides them
with at least a modicum of power or control over what happens.
In reality they have none, witness the sight of over a million
pro-countryside protesters in the centre of London being
completely ignored by the government.
Of course the one absolutely crucial thing to any Democracy is a
Bureaucracy. Without this it cannot function to control and
oppress the lives of its citizens. When the Bureaucracy fails,
the political bullies call in the state police. When the
uprising becomes too big for the police to handle the troops are
sent in, witness the Peterloo massacre of starving workers
protesting for their rights and being cut down by the sabres of
English mounted cavalry in the middle of Manchester in August
1819.
The modern people who control us know the score. They know that
it is better to give a little, to duck and dodge and sing the
platitudes of Nationalism than to send in the troops to kill
their own citizens. Thus deceit has become the main control
method used by the Democratists. They tell lies, they cheat,
they bring honour into disrepute and they can look you straight
in the eye and do it because they many years ago put laws in
place to censor your free-speech and say what you want to. Oh,
except in parliament of course, where the defamation law doesn't
apply and any MP can say what he wants to about you, however
much of a lie it might be, and is protected by 'parliamentary
Topic RE: Do we live in a totalitarian
society posted by wolfie User
posted on January 21, 2010 at 06:20 PM
I was going to dive in on this one but decided I'd only end up
ranting. It's easier to say that I heartilly agree with
everything you've wrote! I can't remember who spoke the words
but they said them some while ago that the government would do
well to remember that Orwell's 1984 was a warning for the future
and not a blueprint!
Topic Do we live in a totalitarian society
posted by Herne User
posted on January 19, 2010 at 01:07 PM
Do we live in a totalitarian society? And do we have a right as
individuals or groups to lobby MPs to ban other people interests
or lifestyles?
The government and MPs have jumped on the bandwagon over the
last 5 years and we have seen restrictions over our lifes, under
laws on health and safety, national security and moral decency,
and it has been quite clear that PM Gordon Brown has been on his
own moral crusade over the past few years, what the next
government will be like I shudder to think.
Like what was said on a channel 4 documentary "Dance with the
devil" if we allow pressure groups to draw the line, how long
will it be before they want to move that line further back?
Our government can get around the human right laws by using,
health and safety, national security and moral decency laws so
really their are no human right laws, due to the loophole that
the politicians conveniently put their.
But who is responsible for all of these new laws? With regret,
society as a whole, each and very one of us with our own moral
axe to grind, there are many groups that fight for liberty like
SAFF, liberty International, backlash and forest are but a few,
but again a lot of these groups also don`t like each other
philosophy, so infighting amongst these groups only makes it
easier for governments to pass more totalitarian laws.
I think back in the late 80s a SAFF newsletter reported that a
pagan organisation said why should they protect satanism? It
wasn't their religion.
But I think it was said by the SAFF, an attack on satanism is an
attack on all alternative beliefs if we allow satanism to fall
who will be next?
Freedom is like layers once the top one has eroded it exposes
the one underneath to moral erosion and so on.
The smoking ban and the fox hunting ban has had far more
implications than you ever thought, because other things have
been banned under health and safety and moral decency, just look
at the sorcerers apprentice, many of the things it once sold are
banned, like buzz zing snuff, herbal high and many herbs are but
a few, and some of their stock is under threat from new laws. "I
stand corrected if I am wrong"
Some of you may rejoice over certain things that get banned, but
remember eventually it will affect you in one way or another,
what goes around comes around.
So who is responsible totalitarian society? You are in one way
or another.
What ever happened to live and let live?
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Topic Name Droppers posted
by Chris White User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 12:49 AM
Hi Denise, Hi James,
I think it's a pretty safe bet that, by default, the more
someone behaves like that, the less likely they are to be close
to him. "The truth lying in the opposite". He sounds like the
kind of manipulater that often frequent small groups of any
kind. He'll use his 'converts' to strengthen his position and
even turn friends against one another (watch out for him
'selectively editing' other peoples' quotes, making hard for
them to deny it. He'll change the context leaving the listener
to miscontrue it exactly the way he wants!) Once he has one or
two convinced, he do very little work himself, just nudging
here, suggesting there. Call it social engineering or a plain
old fashioned con; it's the same disease. You'll find these
people in forums all over the net starting flame wars too. They
find it amusing to turn people against each other. They make
great newspaper editors but lousy human beings. Here's the sad
part. They don't think they are getting their hands dirty when
in fact they do pollute their own soul every time they act or
even think like that and there's no easy way to get rid of them
unless the whole group can see through them. Try to persuade
anyone, and you risk polarising the group and pushing some into
his camp. He'll eventually try to take over the group and move
up in the local area hierachy. Unfortunately he'll get quite a
way until he encounters people wise enough to spike his guns.
I'm guessing that Marabas would never take as a student someone
with such a big ego and mouth to match. He's a good judge of
character; he has to be obviously. Bringing it to the forum
straight away was the best thing you could do because otherwise
you really only have two options:
If this guy is as inexperienced at real study as he sounds, you
could try a banishing spell. The risk is that he's not and that
he's already planning the same thing on anyone he considers a
threat so keep your head down. Unfortunately if you do, (keep
you head down, I mean) he'll realise you've got his number and
you're not giving him any ammunition to use against you. By that
time he may have 'recruited' others to do his dirty work so his
ignorance won't be such a big problem by then.
You could quietely join another group but do you really want to?
Maybe you've made good friends where you are, though unltimately
he may give you no choice.
All things considered the only thing I can see that might help
would be if Marabas could ask someone in the area with some
clout to drop in discredit this clown once and for all. Nasty
all round but most medicine don't taste very nice. Or perhaps
Marabas could do a more sophosticated spell that might help?
Maybe he already has; I'm just thinking out loud.
I'm really sorry I don't have anything more contructive to offer
but I felt I should at least warn you what to expect. these
people are not nearly as subtle as they think and your instincts
are clearly good! They'll serve you well.
Take Care my friend.
Chris.
Topic RE: Do you know this guy?
posted by Denise User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 03:28 PM
Hi, James, No. From the details you have given us Marabas can't
identify the person you are talking about. That means we don't
know him. Obviously as Marabas has helped a lot of clients in a
very personal sense over three decades he can't remember
everyone but he would certainly remember those whom he had
taught sufficiently for them to advertise it!
This kind of name-dropping does happen very regularly and it is
difficult to counter. In many instances the people who pretend
to be closest to Marabas have never met him. Some haven't even
purchased
from the S.A. but are fully aware of the doors which his name
opens and misuse his standing to agrandise themselves.
Disreputable people like this often do not simply stop at
name-dropping - we have heard of dozens of completely fictional
anecdotes and stories which they have invented in order to gain
attention for themselves.
Those clients who have actually benefited from Marabas's
teaachings over the years respect him too much to flaunt that
connection and so rarely pull this trick.
Of course many thousands of people DO know Marabas - he has
helped over 70,000 souls over the past 30 years, often changed
their lives totally for the better - so he naturally does get
talked about a lot in occult circles but the simple answer to
checking whether or not a bragger does in fact have the ear of
Marabas is simply to write, telephone or email us and ask.
Without exposing anyone's privacy or breaching confidentiality
we will always answer truthfully. Certainly you should never
accept the assertions otherwise.
Regards
Denise W.
Topic Do you know this guy?
posted by James User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 03:09 PM
Hi, Denise, I'm one of your long-time clients and I just met a
guy called John Wxxxxx at one of those Pagan Meets in a local
pub in Lancaster and he was acting as though Marabas was his
long-lost brother or something. Like Marabas and he were so
close and together that he (John)was giving all the newcomers
the idea that M had trained him up as his right hand man. And
they all suckered into it. Is this guy really so close to
Marabas? Tell me, because if he isn't I would love to deflate
his ego. YITGW James F.
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Topic RE: elemental weapons
posted by Denise W User
posted on January 29, 2008 at 03:57 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Hi all,
As Anonymous points out these elemental weapons are SYMBOLS
therefore there is no hard and fast rule. Marabas teaches that
the Wand is fire because sticks rubbed together produce fire.
The dagger is air because it is a truncated spear - the platen
or pantacle symbolises earth because it is a stylised
development of the quorn or stone platen on which grain was
processed but some hold that the original 'dagger' was the first
cutting edges made from flint. So there are many alternative
views which are not represented in modern books on magic.
Marabas also teaches that the correspondences for paraphernalia
are not sacrosanct because their powers and orientation change
depending on whereabouts in the world you are situated. Our
Australian Cousins have rites which are antipodean to us by date
and in Chinese Magic the four winds are apportioned to different
quarters - yet the magic still works. Marabas explains this by
saying that as long as the symbols are holistic (i.e. give a
complete spectrum of the elements and positions) and as long as
their adoption is wholly believable by the magician and
appropriate to the method used then he/she can adopt ANY
appropriate symbol providing it is used repeatedly and
permanently so that its impact builds in the unconscious.
After all the object of ritual magic is to create around oneself
a microcosm of the universe in order to retain control over it
within the circle. As long as one realises what one is doing
then by all means amend tradition - but otherwise stick to what
has gone before and already proven to suit the local gods. BB
Denise W.
[INFOBURST: You can see more of Marabas's teachings on the
origins of Wicca and Shamanism, in particular the use of
elemental weapons; in his Beginner's
Guide to Witchcraft & Shamanism available instantly
for download now on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/staroff2.htm]
Topic RE: dagger and wand
posted by windymiller User
posted on January 28, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Hi. Yeah, funnily enough it was a Steven Skinner book that got
me to thinking about this-his reasoning in it as to why its Air
Wand and Fire Dagger does sound quite plausible. I actually
agree with you though that its the Air Dagger and Fire Wand and
not the other way around but its always good to have others
opinions!!
Topic dagger and wand
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 28, 2008 at 08:37 PM
The wand is definately fire and the dagger air, though the
weapons can be assigned the other way around, this is a recent
alteration to a much older tradition. Stephen Skinner writes
excellent books but he changed this around without proper
evidence - based on his assumptions that a blind had been
employed by earlier writers.
I have used then in both ways and I feel sure that the more
traditional way is the correct one.
Of course on an entirely different note, outside of the
traditional magickal elemental weapons, you can have your wand (
s ) consecrated and charged with any element, force or power as
you desire.
Topic elemental weapons
posted by windymiller User
posted on January 27, 2008 at 04:04 PM
There seems to be disaggrement over the elemental weapons
assigned to air and fire. As far as I can see, most would say
that the weapon for Air would be the dagger and that for Fire it
would be the wand but there are other people who claim that it
is the other way around. In the LBRP the Archangel Raphael (East
and Air) is visualised carrying a wand and Michael (South and
Fire) is carrying a sword (which is basically a BIG dagger?). So
is it the Air Dagger and Fire Wand or as others claim, the Fire
Dagger and Air Wand and should be consecrated as thus? I would
like to hear what forum readers think and why they think it.
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Topic RE: Elephant's hair bracelet ?
posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 09:46 AM
[Infoburst: Cripes that's old news. Apparently we used to sell
Elephant Hair Bangles in the 1970s but so did others (the world
has changed rapidly since those halcyon days ;-)) Of course I
can feel the heckles starting to rise in those who have been
indoctrinated with the self-righteousness of the modern ecology
movement but ignorant people never think beyond what they are
told to think and domesticated Elephants aren't harmed by having
their hair cut! Marabas says he got so fed up having to explain
this obvious fact that he decided not to bother and deleted the
item from our lists decades ago. M says there is a very complex
relationship regarding occult traditions and the mega-moralism
of Vego-fascists (and before anyone asks, yes I am a vegetarian
myself!) which Wind-in-The-Willows emotionalism simply cannot
understand. For example; Some of the ancient grimoires ask for
Dragon's Blood Ink . ( WHOA! moral outrage approaching the N
word effect begins!) but settle down folks because no, we don't
need to kill komodo dragons to make it, for Dragon's Blood is a
colloquial name for the resin from a Sumatran tree which gives a
beautufil RED COLOUR. Of course some ancient magical texts also
call for the sacrifice of a white dove, but anyone who kills a
bird in this way wants his ass kicking because no adept would
countenance animal cruelty - it is completely unnecessary. It is
necessary however to have RED magical ink for talismans etc. and
in the far off days when synthetic dyes were not available there
were few materials to produce deep red other than Dragon's Blood
Resin which is why it is recommended in the grimoires! Lesson
Over. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Elephant's hair bracelet ?
posted by Debbie User
posted on July 10, 2008 at 02:12 PM
Dear Sorcerer's Apprentice,
Many years ago a friend gave me a bracelet he said was from 'the
Sorcerer's Apprentice', and made from 'Elephant's hair' (?)
I don't know if you ever sold such a thing but am curious. It
was quite thick black strands but never having seen Elephant's
'hair' I don't know if it was or not. I can't see such a thing
on your online catalogue, and not sure if he meant yourselves ?
Best wishes, Debbie
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Topic Abortions posted by
AnnB User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 09:34 PM
edited on August 08, 2008 at 08:36 AM
I have no problem with anyone criticising my action I am at
peace with myself now after many years the saying that your
pillow knows all our tears is very apt.
SO please Denise dont be concerned for me now you are a sweet
person who must be good if she likes cats.
Take Care
AnnB I shared this sad little tale for anyone else who may face
these problems
A wise conclusion and an important contribution to this thread.
So few women have the strength of spirit or the opportunity to
unburden themselves about this subject precisely due to the
'verbal restraint' imposed upon them by the Xists. Let's hope
this thread helps them. And yes, I do love cat's, they are
delicious marinated for 24 hours in a garlic sauce. (JOKE!) BB
Denise W. ]
Topic Liberty. posted by
nome. User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 05:10 PM
edited on August 08, 2008 at 08:43 AM
Perhaps it is guilt, that inspires me to comment. A Teen in the
70's, I grew with the concept of m/f equality.
As a representitive of 'modern man', I apologise, with My heart,
for the atrocious treatment of woman by man over 2,000 yrs. We
do our utmost to repair the damage.
To quote Thelemic moral-socio/political objectives, mainly
achieved now, ".....No grand cross on a hill for woman, who has
silently born Her pain over millenia" Formed in 1904, the
Religion proposes the, pre-Suffragette, overthrow of Victorian
hypocrytical bigotry, largely achieved by the 'Flower Power' of
the 60's, and so forth.
Women, in the U.K.,now have the right to choose, which, I feel,
is a significent advance, historically, not always available.
Best Wishes.
[Infoburst Exactly. The modern emancipation and empowerment of
women in our society is a direct result of the loosening of the
bonds of patriarchy and the flowing of the goddess current as
the Piscean age wanes. This isn't feminist dogma I am not
highlighting anything other than fair-do's and a recognition of
the positive differences between all men and all women. BB
Denise W]
Topic RE: Abortions posted
by Denise W. User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 01:10 PM
[Infoburst: Thanks for sharing that with us AnnB you are a very
open hearted person and it would be a wicked personality who
could not sympathise, however the purpose of this forum is
constructive dialectic and people should be aware that their
statements will be criticised in the light of occult teaching
and that this may disturb.
It is, for example absolutely imperative that women escape the
indoctrinated guilt which patriarchal societies have enforced
upon us about our own bodies and our own offspring. You have
carried that guilt for many years, unnecessarily. Unnecessarily
to the extent that a woman would ALWAYS feel responsible for
taking such an action but in a truly free society is able to
come to terms with it if it is HER guilt and not one projected
onto her by others, mainly men. No-one is suggesting that a
woman should consider abortions as a form of contraception -
that is evil, but a woman knows instinctively, by and large,
what is right both for her and the quality of life of her
prospective child and it is not her but the human condition
which is at fault if she is forced into a lose-lose choice as
you were. It is not therefore right for AnnB to perpetuate that
patriarchal mind-set by warning other women off having an
abortion because she has plainly suffered with guilt for so many
years because of the unrelenting impropaganda of the male Xists
who run our sick society. No woman will lightly undertake such a
decision but must be free to do so without the interference of
an anachronistic moral and legal structure developed and imposed
by the minds of mediaeval religious zealots. BB Denise W.
Topic Abortions posted by
AnnB User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 12:06 PM
edited on August 07, 2008 at 01:03 PM
This is a very delicate
Topic and not a question for people who have no experience or
need of this should be so outspoken.I had my first child and he
ws given a week to live but he pulled through this is due to my
blood group B-Rheusus negative with antibodies which can harm
children, so we decided that was that after having been informed
my next child would either be born dead or would be in the
Doctors words a monster. The inevitable happened after stopping
the pill at 35 I fell again for four tortured months I and my
husband wavered and then we were told this child was indeed
crippled with twisted muscles and would live but a short time,
so we ahead and aborted her yes it was a girl the one thing I
had always wanted, but she was gone, but forever in my heart
that was nearly 25years ago, then her father died and he
returned in spirit bringing with him a shy beautiful child with
everything perfect in all details, Hello mummy its Holly she
said, I absolutely broke down but she is always with her dad now
and is happy, but can be a little annoying as she loves pearls
and always wants me to wear them even with jeans and a t shirt.
She is always in pink with of course the pearls Many mediums at
the school I attend have got thrugh to her and daddy comes too
of course. She is a happy bonny spirit and I still love her
memory. So think before you jump on the inevitable band wagon of
these awfully bad people who kill life.Denise that is a good
point about men killing every time they ejaculate.Thankyou.
Topic Embryology/Abortion/Nazis
posted by Alan User
posted on May 27, 2008 at 09:20 AM
Hi,
Thanks to Denise for excellent input on the abortion issue.
I agree totally. Regards the direction the thread has taken,
maybe I shouuldn't have quoted Peter H. Gilmore, I had no
idea of any Nazi connections beyond historical ritualism
Satanists might have. If possible could the Nazi/satanist
stuff be moved to a post of its own ? Best to All, Alan.
Topic Satanists and Nazis
posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 10:17 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:24 AM
Message transferred to Satanists and Nazis thread.
Topic RE: Manson, satanism and Nazis
posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 10:15 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:24 AM
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Topic Manson, satanism and Nazis
posted by JK User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 11:46 AM
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posted on May 23, 2008 at 11:44 AM
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Topic RE: Satanism and Nazis
posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 04:50 AM
This is the bonewitz link I meant:
http://www.neopagan.net/SatanicAdventure.html
Sorry for taking up so much of the Embryology/Abortion
thread !
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posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 04:28 AM
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Topic Satanism. posted by
Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 03:52 AM
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Topic Satanism and Nazis
posted by Pagan Pete User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 03:20 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:18 AM
Pagan Pete, Please endeavour to keep on
Topic.
If you want to start an associated thread put a small message
into the existing thread announcing a new one and then start a
separate new thread for the subject you want to debate. In this
instance I have done the job for you and moved the 'Satanism and
Nazis' thread elsewhere. BB Denise W
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 03:06 AM
Absolute sincere apologies for flaming, Denise. I respect S.A.
and this site,I will not waste space. I do My utmost to aid
Humanity, but as I was cast back into Geburah, My birthrite, I
am not a nice person, when attacked by qlippothic covens, as I
was that day.
I believe the ends will justify my means.To my friends, I am
loving, caring etc. Which dosn't justify inflicting my foul side
onto someone in your excellent site. Again, I sincerely
apologise,
this will not happen again. Good luck with your work, and thanks
for the link.
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion
posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:42 AM
Well, Denise, the moderators won't allow truth that might
offend, oh, you are the moderator! Brilliant writing, and high
time it was spelled out! What's next? More Truth?!!!
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion
posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:38 AM
"If a Male cannot be celibate for short periods, He's sadly
lacking in basic self control, surely. Incidentally, self
imposed celibacy, including masturbation, is a valuable
exercise, plan, say, 6 weeks celibacy, and see what all that
accumulated sex force does! If you will. Just a thought. "
Accumulated sex force ? Yeah I have read the SAFF Black Museum
too!
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 02:58 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:31 AM
Hell anony mouse. What is the saff black museum? I tried to give
inspiration to beginners, and found you, a little coward
sneering at me.
Give me your name , boy, then we can etherically/astrally
connect.
Explain your sneering and references, please, and show yourself.
Whats your problem with Me trying to help? Why do you feel so
worthless? Blame it on your childhood? Not good enough. Come on,
speak.
[Infoburst: No Flaming on this forum Draconuit. Intelligent
reposte is required to avoid waste of space on unnecessary
personality clashes. You can see the Black Museum of Priestly
Abuse on this link: http://saff.nfshost.com/sickvics.htm
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 06:10 PM
Here in Ireland condoms were illegal up until 1993. Abortion is
still illegal but most people come over to you in the UK. There
was a case recently of a young girl who was in foster care, she
got pregnant and because she was a ward of the state she had no
other option but to have the baby and give it up for adoption.
We still have to pay silly amounts for condoms and the taxman
takes his slice. Things have improved alot here but still most
of the schools that have a decent budget are catholic run and
until Banardos got to Ireland most of the fostering and care
homes were run also by the church. There are a lot of positive
changes happening in Ireland that are freeing up our perceptual
limitations but i do watch wot i say especialy as i have a thick
English accent.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion
posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 04:29 PM
Fundies argue that a foetus is alive at the moment of
conception. In the sense that it is alive cellularly then that
is true but it has no independent life until parturition. One
may as well claim that every time a man ejaculates he is killing
millions of children because only one or two sperm will hit
their mark and fertilise a cell. And in this we are getting
closer to the truth; because the religious prohibition against
masturbation was based on this idea. Can you see where these
people are going and what exists behind the Vatican's continual
insistence that contraception is a sin? It is a sin because when
people have protected sex they are 'killing babies'. In the
1960s the Vatican undertook a world-wide study of the
implications of The Pill. The result was Huminae Vitiae, a Papal
encyclical which reinforced the catholic prohibition against
contraception - and condemned millions of poverty struck
Catholics to further suffering in the third world. So this
debate is not just about 'abortion'. An argument could easily be
posited that by rejecting birth-control the Vatican sealed the
fate of millions of children who have died undernourished and
from disease in the third world because they were the offspring
of parents who simply could not afford them, in countries where
state governments were unable to keep up with the requirements
of their exploding populations. It is easy to picture a bloody
embryo but can the people who put up posters of this produce one
to make it easy for people to visualise a child in Africa dying
slowly and inexorably from curable diseases caused by deficient
diet and malnutrition because some asshole priest has
indoctrinated the parents into the belief that they will burn in
hell if they use birth control methods? Is the epidemic of AIDS
in Africa a result of the promescuity of Africans, or the end
result of the interference of celebate priests who hold that the
use of condoms is a sin? BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 05:04 AM
Alan asks "Do paths such as Thelema hold a widespread concensus
on this issue?" (Approx.) I have never found reference to this
issue
in Thelemic morality, although much is written concerning the
careful nurture and education of children. It was illegal to
have abortions (except in special circumstances) when the
framework was composed. As with all things Thelemic, ' Do your
True Will" applies.
True Will= Higher self; Holy Guardian Angel, etc. which
manifests as concience. It is therefore a matter of common
sense, as to the
viability of giving birth or not. La Veys opinion that
contraception is a more important issue here, is interesting.
If one does not favour contraception, there is the rythm method.
If a Male cannot be celibate for short periods, He's sadly
lacking in basic self control, surely. Incidentally, self
imposed celibacy, including masturbation, is a valuable
exercise, plan, say, 6 weeks celibacy, and see what all that
accumulated sex force does! If you
will. Just a thought.
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posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:43 PM
It dose not seem to me that LeVey is outright siding with the
anti-abortion bunch. He might just be saying there a better way,
like be responsible and take birth control. Thats the first bit
of Levey I have read. Cheers, he seems like a cool guy.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Satanism/Abortion
posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:32 PM
ps. LaVey essay is called 'The Third Side', here's the snippet
from
Peter Gilmore's interview...
PG: I think people should practice birth control rather than use
abortion as an easy way out. Again, the concept of being
responsible for yourself and not to willy-nilly get pregnant
unless you are really interested in carrying forth the child.
Since we have overpopulation generally speaking, I think
abortion is something fine to be used, but I think it should not
be used as a means of cleaning up after peoples irresponsible
sexual activity.
DS: Why do you not consider it just another operation? Some
people run or exercise not realizing their limitations and pull
a muscle or need an operation for that.
PG: I would look at it as if I was the fetus, I wouldnt want to
be snuffed out. [Laughs]
DS: So is the fetus a sentient being?
PG: Not necessarily, its just a piece of tissue and most human
life doesnt really have that much value on a grand scale. In
the universe, individual life is practically meaningless, its
sort of like droplets in a wave that crashes against a rock. Who
cares about the droplets? The way life works is it is making
large amounts of species of whatever it is, and it keeps moving
biologically. I would just think that if it was myself as the
fetus, I have a potential to become the person that I am. I
wouldnt want to be snuffed out.
DS: When do you think life begins?
PG: Life is there, whether it is conscious and valuable is
debatable.
DS: You mean just on a cellular level it is functioning?
PG: Yeah, it is life. Sperms and eggs are alive, theyre
organic, you cant say that is not life. But what I think youre
looking for is the idea that Christians wants to say from
conception. If people want to have abortions it really doesnt
bother me, I just think they really should be more responsible.
It just makes more sense. Contraception is easy!
DS: A lot of people dont like contraception.
PG: And a lot of people are morons and irresponsible, so
Topic RE: Satanism/Abortion
posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:29 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:35 AM
Leo, LaVey's opinions are in an essay in his last (posthumous)
book
Satan speaks. Peter H.Gimore's opinions are on an interview
linked
from his page on wikipedia:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Satanism:_An_interview_with_Church_of_Satan_High_Priest_Peter_Gilmore
- Alan.
[Infoburst: I wouldn't rely too much on things found on
Wikipedia Alan - We have for several years been trying to get
them to accept a footnote on their Sorcerer's Apprentice page
concerning the fact that we are the registered trademark holders
of that name in the U.K. but Wikipedia won't have it - it is run
by moderators who think every bit of information offered by a
company has to be some kind of sales ploy! BB Denise W]
Topic Satanism/Abortion
posted by Rex User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:09 PM
Alan,
What are your references for the remarks by laVey and Gilmore.
I would have thought they would be more open to 'choice' ?
That said, many Satanists are a bit, er Right wing...
Leo
Topic RE: Embryology/Abortion
posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 08:17 PM
We have the ability to change things so change them we will.
However, the xists will always bleat on about things that are
against Gods law (in their biblical opinion) and the MPs who
follow the same old xist path for votes will always give the
voters what they want. Science is as per usual held back via the
smug xist 5th column in Westminster but change will come in
leaps and bounds whether they like it or not.
Topic Embryology/Abortion
posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Hi All,
With all the news-media coverage of the latest Parliamentary
talks on embryology, cloning, hybrid embryos and the abortion
issue, can forum users of different paths, and the SA give their
opinions on these matters of science and ethics ?
Interestingly I noted that both Anton LaVey and current HP of
Church
of Satan Peter H.Gilmore have both made statements expressing
personal anti-abortion feelings, which the uninformed public
would
no doubt be confused at as Xtians especially probably think
Satanists are rabid baby killers, but I digress, what are the
Aeonic
implications and so on inherent in these matters, and do certain
paths like Wicca, Thelema have a general consensus ?
Alan.
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Topic RE: Enhancing friendship...
posted by Karen User
posted on June 09, 2008 at 01:09 AM
Speaking of oils, something's happened to the S.A.'s magical
oils page. It isn't coming up correctly (at least, not on my
laptop). Also the homepage layout is a bit wonky. I know this
forum isn't about SA website tech, but I just thought I'd
mention it, as I can't get most of the oils page to come up.
As for love vs. friendship, I think they very much go together;
but at the moment, I'd settle for a closer friendship or love
between friends, however I/we could manage it...
Topic RE: Enhancing friendship...
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Do you want friendship or love with this man? If love then have
you considered the S.A's lovespell or love and respect oil? I am
no expert so best to ask the S.A for advice but I'm sure they
could recommend some oil. I have used their oils with great
success.
Topic RE: Enhancing friendship...
posted by Karen User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Well, it's sort of an existing acquaintance that I'd like to be
closer. The individual I'm thinking of is a musician like me,
someone I really want to work with professionally; but he
doesn't think we know each other *well enough* to make this work
out. We're on relatively friendly terms usually; I'd just like
it to be a closer friendship. I was listening to one of his
songs online just now, and it makes me quite sad, as I'm quite
sure we could work together quite well, if only I could talk him
into it...
Topic RE: Enhancing friendship...
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Hi Karen, are you talking about someone you want to be friends
with or an exsisting friendship that has become strained?
Topic RE: Friendship.
posted by Jonathan J User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 03:33 PM
I totally agree with the previous advice.
If your friend is great and cares for you then let things take
their natural course............if not, you will find someone
better who can give you what you need.
Topic Friendship. posted
by Draconuit. User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 12:19 AM
If your friend suffers cramp, whilst swimming in your local
river, do you invoke The Undines to give aid? Or do you wade in
and pull them out? My point; all things to their own plane, if
you want to be friends with someone, howsabout introducing
yourself, and being friendly?
Why not save your Magick force for situations that can only be
solved Magickally? Just a thought.
Topic Enhancing friendship...
posted by Karen User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 03:03 AM
Does anyone know a good magickal method for enhancing a
friendship, or making a friendship closer and more harmonious?
And is there such a method that does not require both persons to
be present? Thanks in advance for any information...
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Topic RE: evolution posted
by Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 02:13 AM
Although I do not claim to know the answer to this question with
any degree of certainty, I have read Doreen Virtue's Earth
Angels book. She talks about incarnated "fantasy creatures" such
as Elves, Unicorns, etc. I choose to accept her philosophy on
this
Topic and incorporate that knowledge into my own beliefs. I am
certain The Sorcerer's Apprentice should have many resources on
this issue if you would like to learn more.
Topic evolution posted by
pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 05:11 AM
can you instead of reborn became a supernatural creature with no
memory of his past?
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posted by Karen in Seattle User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 01:15 AM
Hmmm...I just found some info on the Cook Report business (from
1988, I think); and I begin to see what you mean. Here in
Seattle and vicinity, there are a number of Pagan and
metaphysical bookstores that are seldom bothered in a
significant way; but Seattle is a lot more progressive than
other parts of the U.S. I can only imagine what the folks at
Edge of the Circle Bookstore would be facing down in, say, South
Carolina, or rural Colorado...
Topic RE: Facebook Idea
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Hi RP and thanks for your kind comments. On the face of it
(forgive the pun) it seems like a good idea and M has indeed
considered Face Book, but there are confidentiality problems
with Blogs and this is why Marabas chose this forum method as a
communal debating area instead. As you know you can say more or
less what you want in the S.A.Esoteric Forum and do so with
complete anonymity. Equally everyone who uses it is, or should
be, perfectly aware that it is a public forum and that many
other people, (friends and enemies) will be surfing it
regularly. Thus inately contributors will be careful and
moderate their approach accordingly. As I mentioned on another
thread elsewhere in this forum we are already working on a
special webchat system where clients who sign-in under their
client numbers will be able to take part in real-time in
discussions and lectures with Marabas. We think this is a much
safer and more workmanlike option but are open to suggestions
for and against.
As far as Karen's suggestion about staff Blogs is concerned one
has to realise that the people who work here are constantly
under attack from fundamentalists of all persuasions - it comes
with the territory. I won't go into the details of the tricks
these anally retentive people try because it may enthuse more of
them, but whenever possible Marabas always protects his helpers.
I well remember during the despicable persecution of Marabas by
the Cook Report, when they laid siege to our premises, M broke
out the Halloween stock and issued face masks to everyone before
we exited the building so that they couldn't be identified on
film. This was particularly crucial in the case of one female
member of staff whom M had given sanctuary to after fleeing from
an abusive relationship. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Facebook Idea
posted by Karen User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 12:52 AM
I wonder if the S.A. has any Myspace presence, come to think of
it? For some reason, I can't even recall how I stumbled across
the S.A. website; but I got there, eventually (and got quite
hooked on the cyberbooks, and would purchase and download a lot
of other products, if money was no obstacle...LOL). Do any of
the S.A. staff have Myspace or Facebook pages? I 've got a
Myspace page, and just opened one on Facebook; I'm still sort of
figuring out how to maneuver through Facebook...
Anyway, hope everyone in the U.K. is having better weather than
here in Seattle. We got snow on Friday, and we've been nearly
freezing to death this past week. Enjoy spring, everyone...
--Karen
Topic Facebook Idea posted
by RP User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 07:18 PM
Hi,
Please don't think of what I have written as presumption. I
thought that I would sound my idea, but just to obtain some
feedback with regards to anything similar that you may be
planning for the future.
I was wondering if Marabas and the S.A would consider using
Facebook as a medium for contact with clients? Although not
entirely the same thing, lot of Orders are now running both
official and unofficial Facebook as a means of information
exchange,networking and contact.
Another interesting idea that Facebook could support is
something for friends of the S.A, and by that I mean that as a
guess, I summise that there should be some kind of egregore that
nearly all S.A clients share - irrespective of Path. Why? My
idea comes from the fact that all regular clients know that the
S.A is the absolute best and also we will have used many of the
same top quality items of paraphernalia be they
incenses,oils,candles a.s.o. as a result then, there should be a
subtle consenses and dare I say fraternity between all.
This is only an idea which you may or may not like but from my
own point of view I think it could work, and that it would be of
immense benifit to the S.A and its clients. What do you think?
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Topic RE: Focus posted by
Charisma User
posted on February 01, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Thank you for replying, your advice is the one that makes the
most sense.The best magic I ever performed was candle magic
simple spells no ritual just a circle candles incense and words,
fast acting as well. Since I posted this I have come to the
insight that instead of using different rituals its best to
stick to the same format and just tweak things here and there my
ultimate goal(always has been) is to move all my magic into the
astral realm with a temple there so I cut back on my mind moving
with my body which causes the problems.So at the moment I'm
training hard to get to the point where I can move between the 2
worlds and your advice has cleared up a few sticking points I
had thank you for your time and help. Charismaxx
Topic RE: Focus posted by
Thelemite 8. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 03:05 PM
Greetings Charisma, Respect!Battling along the Magickal path,
with the added hindrence you endure, is, to my mind, an
admirable statement of self will; I have met several naturally
'gifted' people, too lazy to learn even how to cast a circle,
who have
expected me to reveal the 'mysteries' without going through the
'tedium' of study and practice,i.e. Hard work!(Naturally, they
fall prey to the unscrupulous.) I may be able to offer a
pointer,
some years ago, I repeatedly experienced unexpected samadhi, for
some, a great goal, in other circumstance, a hindrence,I.E. In
mid
Ritual, sometimes preceded by a flash of white light within, I
would
find myself with no recollection of what I had been doing. I
soon
realised, that as long as the initial banishing had been
performed, this was not too bad a situation. I would simply be
seated, focuing on a candle flame, and feel the energies
present, I found it helpful to have the ritual written in minute
detail, that when I felt ready, I could recall how far I'd got.
As a brain muscle strengthener, a point drawn within a circle is
good for total concentration of the psyche;
one-pointedness.Contraction.
Without moving your primary focus, expand your vision to
encompass
the surrounding circle; expansion. Draw a further circle, grit
your jaw and concentrate your thought on the point, no doubt
wrestling with all sorts of thoughts, so goes it. Expand your
conciousness to include the first, and second circle, still
focussing on the centre. Finally, expand your vision to
encompass the entire room. Contract your conciousness to the
'one pointed' state, then expand; in effect you're flexing new
psychic muscles,
they will grow. So, basically,I suggest you relax with the
experience, FEELING the state, whilst practising control in the
long term. Best wishes, T.8
Topic focus and angels
posted by charisma User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 09:15 PM
to be honest thats one aspect of magic i haven't done the way i
was raised was not to trust them so i stay away from something i
don't know much about but would welcome advise on it.
thank you for taking the time out to chat though appreciate it
Topic RE: focus posted by
Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Sounds like you have many exterior aids... But what about
spiritual? Have you called upon the Angels to ask for strength,
endurance, and clarity? I don't know if we are ever at the level
we "want" ... but don't be so hard on yourself...relax, get your
rest and continue to persevere. I am sure you will be exactly
where you are supposed to be.
Blessings,
Patti
Topic focus posted by
charisma User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 10:26 PM
I work with crystals and oils and although they do help its
still not as maximised as i want. have already purchased things
from SA aswell that i`m working with started with candle magic
from S A when I was 18 now i`m 35 I do have a lot of experiance
in different magic formulas but I cant seem to master something
for me
Topic Focus posted by
charisma User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 11:01 AM
I suffer from Asperger's Syndrom a form of autism and one of the
worse parts of it for me is the fact i cant focus on a task to
good, moving from one thing i`m concentrating on to the next is
really hard, in ritual sometimes i have clear thinking other
times just confusion.
What I`m asking for is does anyone know any tecknicks which
could help with focus and concentration i have meditated, held a
thoughtform, i have done many other things but need help now as
i am trying work on astral magic and cant hold a thoughtform
long enough.
Thanks
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posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 06:00 PM
Surely it is up to the S.A to decide whose threads are to be
errased - and what is the point of that nanny sensorship
anyway?? Most occultist's - I presume? - do not like being
sensored,editored,threatened or spied upon: being told what they
can and can't say etc. The pernickety and easily offended should
certainly not bother with a site like this one! A site which is
for genuine occultists, regardless of their
background,training,opinions or sense of humour. If everyone
went pussyfooting around and apologising for their own existence
and individuality all the time - as we have to do in ordinary
modern society - then what would be the point in posting or
reading what others have written? Sensorship creates far more
garbage than it could ever removes!!
The opinionated and repressed seekers should check their
sensibilities with things 'like' Zen. You have to break down the
misinformed ego otherwise you could end up bullshitting yourself
about what is correct and incorrect for the rest of your life!
Marabas blows the gaff on everything in his Mind Control
publications.
Thanks for setting up the site.Another great S.A product for the
genuine amongst us.
Topic RE: SA value posted
by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:14 PM
Yes - like a good wine time is the essential part of the
process. The SA has, does and will in future be a beacon of
insight to many that as yet do not know where they are going.
Topic RE: SA value posted
by Denis User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:15 AM
Thanks for that Pejay, we all work v.hard here to provide
genuine progress for all our clients and it's nice to get some
feedback. I have been working here for years and though we
regularly receive unsolicited testimonials about how the S.A.
has changed peoples lives for the better I too, like you, think
that the long-term effect of Marabas's work and quests is not
fully realised by many. As you say time will tell. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Forum purity
posted by Denise User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:07 AM
Don't worry MrFrisky, Pejay is right - the forum must have the
widest scope possible and as occult beliefs are at the
centremost part of each person's being there's bound to be a
passionate dialectic. We expect that. The overriding
consideration is that contributions must be constructive so all
participants can benefit. The pool of exceptional talent amongst
S.A. clientelle will ensure the high-quality of the threads in
our Forum but if you have any reason to complain then email
details of any misuse to the url shown on the front page of our
Forum (i.e. saefATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk. BB Denise W
Topic SA value posted by
pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 10:24 AM
I sincerely believe that one day, perhaps in the far distant
future, society will have evolved into a state of greater
awareness. This is the natural progression of our species. When
this occurs, man with look back and realise the great value of
the groundbreaking work done by the Sorcerers Apprentice; work
that has helped immensely in allowing individuals to achieve
their quest to be greater beings.
Topic RE: Forum purity
posted by pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 10:12 AM
Ensuring forum purity is virtually an impossible task these days
and may not work to anyones best advantage anyway. Bringing in
a certain 'chaotic' element ensures a vigour that may be lost if
one is too fussy about content.
Topic Forum purity posted
by mrfrisky330 User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 01:14 PM
Hello!
There are a few esoteric forums on the net and all of them seem
to be full of people misusing them for non esoteric
communication and they usually end up being full of jokers and
unrelated threads.
How can we ensure this forum is for genuine people? Will non
esoteric threads be erased? Is there someone we can contact if
we have evidence the forum is being misused?
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posted by Puretongue User
posted on April 28, 2008 at 03:25 PM
If anyone is concerned about the detail of the new regulations
replacing the FMA, you can see them by following the links from
the site Richard mentioned at the start of this thread.
Since they include a change in the fundamental principles of UK
law (from "innocent until proven guilty" to "prove you didn't
con them") it might be worth a read.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 26, 2008 at 09:04 PM
How true Denise - you have your finger on the pulse I see.
There are frequent apparently unrelated secular beliefs (often
not of a religious nature) which the Evangelical-Machine
regularly targets. Abortion, Euthanasia, Homosexuality etc, all
such Freedom-of-Belief issues come under the fundie sledge
hammer as
Topics they'd love to have settled under Holy-Writ! Since the
early days of Christianity, the Church Fathers and their
underlings have been seeking to disenfranchise all
unconventional philosophies, which they identify as conflicting
with their absolutist Biblical-Doctrine. Into this oppressive
showground comes COMPLEMENTARY HEALTH. We all know how
Herbalism, Dowsing etc were used during the notorious
Burning-Times as categorical proof of guilt by the inquisitorial
'Matthew-Hopkins' fan club back in the 1600s. Well nothing has
changed that much! The reason for ancient and modern-day Xtian
prejudice herein is largely due to Holistic Health's long
PRE-CHRISTIAN heritage that of course links intimately with
PAGAN FAITH SYSTEMS. If anyone wrongly thinks that today's Xtian
approach is somehow more 'enlightened' then they have sadly
fallen into the mind thrall of the biased system at hand.
Anonymous says:
I believe that legislation of some kind has to exist to protect
people from occult fraud ( because there is a lot of it about,
and it does nothing for the reputation of genuine occultists -
quite the reverse).
I disagree and find that response to be the rather naïve and the
slippery slop back to outlawing unpopular forms of occultism
like witchcraft. Legislation is a hammer historically used to
crush unorthodoxy and religious dissent and what makes you think
anything has changed that much? Are you aware that MPs and their
minions in the UK, who pass laws, are still willing to single
out persons from Pagan backgrounds and highlight their beliefs
in a negative fashion when it suits their arrogant purposes? Do
you really think you can trust such politicians to take your
beliefs into proper consideration in such events? I feel that
genuine occultists would not need such things highlighted as I
have done above!
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 23, 2008 at 01:47 PM
Hi Sandygrounds - you are right to be both cynical and
suspicious. This is a good opportunity to point out in this
thread that amendments to the FMA are an obfuscation. There are
more subtle gambits being used by Xists , many of which are so
cleverly presented that they actually obtain the approval of
unthinking members of the occult community! E.G. SAFF research
proves that The BMA(run by Xists) has for 20 years campaigned to
bring alternative healing methods under their control thru
discrediting alternative therapies. They have been aided in this
by most New Age therapists who have pandered to the medical
monopoly putting everything in the hands of people whose sole
intention is to CRUSH all alternative options. This campaign was
piggy-backed onto the barmy Health and Safety laws which
restricted even further the availability of innocuous raw
materials to people who wanted to treat themselves. Another
facet is the state's increasing training of 'Health
Professionals' to seize control over what we eat under the guise
of protecting the nations health. Gingoistic PR against Binge
Drinking, Smoking, etc are the puritanical precursor to a
Government Health Id Card which will demand you live and eat the
way the 'professionals' tell you to. Those who don't will be
banned from free NHS care and make you un-insurable for car,
house, accident, (and many other things). Marabas prophecied all
of this and lots more in his Secrets of Mind Control(see
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindctrl.htm ). Yes we must of
course resist negative changes to the FMA but as Sandygrounds
says, it is important that we see what is happening in the
bigger picture. Surf the SAFF website ( https://saff.nfshost.com
)and join in with their strategies. The SAEF is for general
occult methodology, not protest. The SAFF has its own forum (
http://www.pliner.net/appmb2/1c76fb ) and is the place for more
advanced networking on censorship / freedom of speech issues. BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 23, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Its hard to comprehend this debate when we realise that any new
Fraudulent Mediums Act regulation would be promoted and passed
by politicians that largely support the Christian fifth column
in Parliament and all the historically bogus and repressive
tripe it stands for. Such measures would be joy to the Xtian
right that is cross-party and well funded. They would jump in
and use such an act to once again cut into the heart of
occultism. The picture is bigger and some need to open their
eyes wider. Due to this I am highly suspicious of anyone
promoting such measures.
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Anonymous again! posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 03:58 PM
This heated discussion between Puretongue and Anonymous is
important because it reflects the two main polarisations of the
New Age today. Puretongue is one of many who apparently has had
experience of and knows about people who have suffered
victimisation and constant unfairness due to the oppression of
their beliefs by Xists (Marabas's definition of an Xist is a
person who has been indoctrinated with and fully bought into
Western Christian cultural mores to the point at which they see
every other belief as a danger. Often these people are in
positions of influence and make false judgements based not upon
secular facts but upon a crippled, fearful dualistic view which
has been impressed upon them before they were self-aware).
Anonymous on the other hand has apparently never suffered
persecution and only knows of those who have at a distance. This
makes his expansive, generous, 'subjugate-thine-enemy-with-love'
approach far more comfortable than it would be if he was
actually at the receiving end of subtle and not so subtle
prejudice which is levelled against good people who just happen
to believe in something which the Xists don't agree with. I
wonder if Anonymous has considered the constant persecution of
Scientology from Western governments of all shapes and sizes who
use every dirty trick in the book to try to oppress
Scientologists. I am not a scientologists and often they can be
arrogant assholes but the point is that their's is a good
example of how rabid victimisation of a minority can occur.
Anonymous either isn't aware of it or prefers to turn a blind
eye. Before the British Human Rights Act leaders of Scientology
were banned from coming to the U.K. and their claim to be a
relgious belief slandered. Now that they have the freedom to
expand here Anonymous can watch what happens when the Xist
machine goes into top-gear to discredit a belief using the
tabloids and complicit media of this country. Watch this space
BB Denise W.
Topic Denise W. mediums act
posted by winter_snake User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 10:31 AM
edited on April 18, 2008 at 03:36 PM
Denise could you tell me if the new freud medium's act will
affect the good work that the S.A does. Will we see a line
gathering of critics and materialist,s scientis seeing this as
ther oppotunity to shut you guy's down. Its kind of worrying me.
[Infoburst: Don't worry Wintersnake - the Xists have spent 2,000
years trying to stifle and suppress freedom of religious and
political thought and as long as only one of us remains free
they've lost. Without getting too heavy, Marabas says that it is
the duty of every esotericist to exercise his/her rights as
often as possible and not be cowed by the verbal restraint,
emotional blackmail, political expediency or plain old
unadulterated threats from people who are a drag on the
evolution of the cosmos. This thread has moved off the
possibility of an update to the Fraudulent Mediums Act and into
a general discussion on censoring freedom of speech which, as
Puretongue has already said, is more appropriate to the SAFF's
forum if anyone wants to go into more detail on it there ( https://saff.nfshost.com).
M believes there is little chance of a new FMA and so just keep
on keeping on. BB Denise W.
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Anonymous again! posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Hello Anonymous
I'm sure we're both thick skinned enough to survive the debate.
I have not at any point taken any offence and certainly meant
none myself.
As you say, we've different views. And debate has never really
been fostered by everyone agreeing.
The late 1980's and early 1990's showed just how easy it is for
society to be moved towards a more intolerant and dangerous
stance towards minority spirituality. Whilst I accept that most
of the scene missed the broad thrust of what was going on at the
time, it was, non the less, an extremely dangerous period which
is having repercussions right down to this day. If that's
paranoia then so be it.
I remind people frequently, if they show an interest in the
occult scene, of the worst of the persecution that destroyed so
many lives because similar, and in some cases, identical
psychological manipulation was used to get and keep the ball
rolling more recently.
As there are large and well funded groups of religious bigots
that would like to see us disappear, being aware of the
processes that are used is vital for present day, serious
occultists.
I realise also that this is somewhat off
Topic, so I'm going to drop this now. The SAFF website is an
excellent resource for anyone interested in this area.
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Anonymous again! posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 05:06 PM
Hi Puretongue,
I think that we are both way off beam when it comes to judging
each other, and after all, this is an anonymous forum!!
We see things from different perspectives. My own stance is that
minority interests have to take into account the larger picture.
Britain is historically Christian but it is still a very secular
society. Britain, for all of its faults, is one of the most
tolerant countries in the world, and occultists are not
percecuted more than other minorities 'most' of the time. If
anyone tries to throw the system then they are going to get some
crap from the establishment.Human nature is what it is - it is
nothing new, and even Lao Tse advocated that our aim in life
should be to become unknown!
All religious and political factions get trouble!Surely it is
better to remain silent. Why do occultists have to go around
bragging about their beliefs, when the majority of the people
will never be sympathetic the occult.
To return to our debate, I believe that legislation of some kind
has to exist to protect people from occult fraud ( because there
is a lot of it about, and it does nothing for the reputation of
genuine occultists - quite the reverse).Whether the FMA or
other, more general anti-fraud measures can be used to counter
liar's and scammers is something of an open question! Again, I
think it is perspective. I think some of your views are too
heavy, even a little paranoid with regard to being victimized.
Over all, I feel that a general attitude of goodwill is required
and that the only way that this is really possible is through
honesty and integrity. Problem is people need to be forced to
play by the rules when it comes to things like money, goods and
services.
A tricky dilemma!
I meant no offence and wish you well
BB
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 01:39 PM
Interesting - you're way off beam with my occupation by the way.
If I were a school teacher I would have to say go back and redo,
or at least read the previous posts through again. It would
appear from your last post, fo example, that you think the FMA
(1951) is new legislation rather than act which is scheduled to
be repealed in April.
What price a life? Advocating consumer protection whilst
implying we shouldn't worry about persecution if we're genuine -
cos we won't get caught - and all the time clearly aware that
thousands of innocents can suffer and die in a repressive
process. But don't worry - they'll be able to get their money
back from the end of pier fortune teller?
"Today we live in a secular society where no single religion has
more rights than another.." So there's no Blasphemy Act? NO
Sunday Trading laws? NO guaranteed legislative places for the
clergy? No Church Courts? No campaign by other religions to
achieve the same legal rights as Christians? Need I go on? Yes,
I suppose I must. Try and get somewhere registered as a place of
worship under UK legislation if you're anything other than
Christian. Or pop along to the family courts and watch
despicable ex partners using someone's interest in the occult to
prevent them seeing their kids (what, betrayed by a nearest and
dearest? Never happen to a mason eh?).
"You seem to have no regard for basic rights: that people
deserve protection from fraud: that we live in a society where
we are entitled to proper justice and if we are pushed on this,
to have comsumer rights! " Well it's been said in other posts by
people far better informed than me, but apparently it will bear
repeating. Fraud has been illegal already. It continues to be
illegal today. And no doubt it will be illegal for the
foreseeable future. There are lots of laws which have a bearing
on consumer rights, which can be used against those you clearly
hate,and since you appear to value them more than staying out of
prison, I presume you'll be quite happy.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 06:32 PM
Helllo! It's Anonymous again!
If you are talking about a largely phoney occult scene, then
your reaction is justifiable. If you are trying to say that
private adepts or members of secret magickal fraternities have
been persicuted for their beliefs then you are wrong.
Rosicrucianism and freemasonry have existed for hundreds of
years and its members have not been the victim of the kind of
hate you are speaking of ( a little fuss in Nazi Germany, but
nothing on a major scale, and certainly nothing on the scale of
other groups eg. homosexuals,Jews,Communists etc ).
Furthermore, the Christian Church and the monarchy supported
astrology and magick for hundreds of years.Think of
Bacon,Dee,Kelly and Bishop Grossetest no less!!! Heresy was
something else, and for that thousands of clergy went to the
stake,not just a few witches!!The inquisition was an attack on
anyone, or anything that was a threat to the Church (the ruling
elite of the time) not just, or even especially occultists.That
is history! Today we live in a secular society where no single
religion has more rights than another, so why all the fuss about
FMA? It won't be implimented by the Church will it?? It will be
used by 'people' to promote fair play in financial transactions.
What is it that frighten's you Puretonge? Is your livelihood
threatened by such legislation when it is only there to punish
con-artists and protect the innocent?
If you get ripped on eBay then you want then you want something
to be done about it don't you? The same rules, and the
protection that this affords, should apply to transactions
within the occult ( It is not me being superior about initiates,
but rather you in your role as an apologist for every type of
charlatan.).Are you saying that we should allow the cheats to
get away with fraud? Such a stance is both unethical and flawed
in the extreme. Your stance of resignation towards fraudulent
activity is alarming because the only people it can benfit are
liars and criminals. You seem to have no regard for basic
rights: that people deserve protection from fraud: that we live
in a society where we are entitled to proper justice and if we
are pushed on this, to have comsumer rights!
Think on Puretongue because if you think that your beliefs
deserve to be identified with NAN, then they will always be
frowned upon by the general public as seedy money making scams
or at best, an excuse to be lazy and full of BS.
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Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 08:55 AM
"the Witchcraft Act had no impact on genuine initiates
whatsoever, unless of course they would choose to impress their
knowledge onto others!"
Or got caught in the act, or accused, or owned a bit of land the
authorities fancied, or.. need I go on. And that's just the
historical record. Then there was the proposed legislation a few
years ago which would have seen involvement in the occult scene
facing jail for up to five, yes, count 'em, five years.
But let's not take an interest in that. Let's leave it to others
to stop this occurring, after all, they'll never catch the
clever initiate will they?
Anonymous, I looked at your post supporting legislation in this
area, wondered what you had in mind, and asked you to clarify.
Thanks for doing that. I too strongly dislike many of the ads,
and the new age stuff, although I do believe the simple
profusion of the new agers in general soften the attitudes of
many who would otherwise react to us with hatred. Better to be
thought of as someone into NAN than a dangerous child killer eh?
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 06:49 PM
Hello again! yes this is anonymous replying to Puretongue again.
My point was I do not have legislation and I am not a
politician. Your replies seek to goad me into taking an interest
into something which to my mind is periferal. Genuine occultism
always survives because it never seeks publicity. the FMA and
the Witchcraft Act had no impact on genuine initiates
whatsoever, unless of course they would choose to impress their
knowledge onto others! now this is a whole different debate if
we are talking about the right of free speech because we DO NOT
HAVE FREE SPEECH OF ANY KIND AT ALL in the UK. We are as tongue
tied as Puretongue because of PC nannies and control freak - men
in grey suits! I have no objection to free speech but unless
there is a complete change of the ruling elites ( very unlikely
) we are stuck with it!
The S.A are correct in asserting that the thread has become
misinterpreted. I am a loyal S.A customer, and on the basis of
that it is obvious that from my point of view you are at the top
of the genuine key to occultism. OTHERS however, and I have a
hatred of rubbish like premium rate Tarot and astrology lines,
and assorted magical and lucky charms sold in the back of occult
scam rags, that I cannot condone a policy that refuses to
prosecute.
A way forward is to insist that 'physical' esoteric goods may be
sold openly i.e you recieve your book or crystal or whatever.
Advice of an esoteric nature could be sold under various
conditions and the only fair way is if the proposed remedy fails
then a full refund is given. That may seem harsh but it would
protect all parties - genuine people would receive or pay for
what they require but all charlatans would be totally
discouraged from ripping people off if by law they are bound to
refund all monies to people that have evidence that they have
been conned. A complicated issue, but one that I feel can be
solved with some careful thought.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Oh dear. So no clear idea in mind as to what the legislation
should say in order to discriminate between genuine and
charlatan, nor how it could be enforced or administered? And yet
you support it anyway?
Get on to your higher self (the preserve of you initiates
remember) and ask it how the politicians would actually word
this law and what the knock on effects would be. Or perhaps you
could look at why the FMA came into being and how it has
actually been used. You might also want to consider that the
SAFF had to mount an all out campaign to prevent a
reintroduction of witchcraft laws a few years ago - laws that
would have seen genuine and fake alike in jail for up to five
years.
Finally, it looks as though you have some particular type of
legislation in mind ("HOWEVER, since I have been pushed on the
point, I am of the belief that such legislation would have more
benefit than drawback "), so why not let us into the secret and
tell us what you want the authorities to do i.e. show us your
draft. If you don't have a draft in mind, what exactly are you
offering your support to?
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 AM
The long and the short of it is that THE ONLY CERTAINTY IN LIFE
IS DEATH and anyone who pretends to know the Right Way To Live
should be shunned as a pestilence. Who therefore has the wisdom
and knowledge to judge any other brother? Even a dishevelled
one? Unfortunately people with no soul prey on other people all
the time. There's plenty of crooks in ordinary life so there's
bound to be the odd one or two within the occult. Occultists
should be that bit smarter and that bit choosier. In the S.A.'s
experience spanning 35 years you can virtually guarantee that
crooks pretending to be occultists are weeded out very quickly
before they can do real damage to anyone. The gods do not favour
them and genuine occultists will not give them space so there is
no need to set up a vigilante group to cater for them - that
will do more harm than good. Certainly we do not want
restrictive legislation to 'rubber-stamp' genuine and
non-genuine esoteric interests. As far as megalomanic
troublemakers with delusions of grandeur are concerned (i.e.
people who are not criminal - just misguided) they fulfil an
important function - ultimately it is down to each occultist to
become informed as part of their own evolution and if they
aren't quick enough to detect a genuine teacher from a pretender
then they will soon get up to speed once they realise they've
been had. Marabas says that you must give people the freedom to
learn and evolve whatever their state of progress is. It is our
universal right to make and learn from our own mistakes, The
sensible thing to do is to continually PROMOTE THE GENUINE
TEACHERS and ensure that beginners get access to open arenas of
debate like this forum which don't leave much space for
pretenders to hide in. BB Denise W. ENDS
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM
edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 AM
In effect then Marabas says that the Fraudulent Mediums act was
simply yet another attack on freedom of belief because,
naturally the Xists hoped that it would somehow disadvantage the
growth in popularity of spiritism etc.,
Getting rid of it today should make no difference to the way
that genuine occultists conduct themselves and offer services.
It is MUCH easier for the police to prosecute an ordinary case
of fraud than it is to try to do it under the Fraudulent Mediums
Act so it was hardly ever used anyway. There are already
powerful laws in place (The Misrepresentations Act for one, in
Britain) which impinge upon any charlatan offering out bogus
esoteric services. It is MUCH easier for the police to use
matter-of-fact statutes of this kind than to get involved in
spiritual debates over whether someone who sets themselves up as
a soothsayer is a fraud or a saint. We would not therefore worry
about the repeal of the Fraudulent Mediums Act and we should not
confuse that with the very real ongoing attempt to suppress
alternative/fringe beliefs of all kinds.
However, all this is a completely different thing to the other
discussion on this thread about genuine seekers 'policing' the
occult to feret out charlatans. We are in full agreement with
Richard and Puretongue. It is absolutely essential that the
widest possible spectrum of lawful involvement is permitted
within the crucible of the occult. The 'window of normality' of
Western Occultism is completely alien to Shamanistic Magicians
in Asia. The ramifications of classical mysticism are utterly
different to the way that pantheists see the world. The very
strength of occultism resides in the differences within it.
Stand up to throw stones that man who chose his beliefs when he
was 20 who has not moved to another paradigm by the time he is
40? SEE PART THREE
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 10:10 AM
This is an excellent and pertinent thread. M has asked me to
include another perspective because it appears that some
contributors may be confusing two issues. The Xists will do
anything to avoid the implications of the supernatural and their
politicians will always try to discredit esotericists as a
sacrifice to warn off free-thinkers and ensure conformity of the
masses. In this more or less constant state of persecution the
rights of occultists AND non-conformist freethinkers are being
erroded dramatically in many areas. However it would be very
dangerous for the government to insist upon the prosecution of
any GENUINE spiritualist or diviner. Genuine in this context
means that the person concerned must be able to show that they
genuinely and sincerely believe in what they are doing. This is
the yardstick which was developed by the SAFF (founded by
Marabas - see http://http://saff.nfshost.com ) in their research
with the United Nations reportage on Religion and Belief and
which is now enshrined in U.N. records. Any police force which
tried to prosecute a spiritist, spiritualist, magician or
soothsayer based on their beliefs being counterfeit would
immediately open up a barrel of worms nationwide because if the
sincere beliefs of occultists are suspect on the same basis so
must the beliefs of the orthodox religions as well! The
Fraudulent Mediums Act was actually a sensible attempt to repeal
the Witchcraft Act at a time when scientific materialism was
gaining sway. However the old guard Xists insisted on having
their puritanical pound of flesh at the time and projected their
prejudice into a replacement act which was supposed to protect
gullible people from being duped by charlatans (even though
there was sufficient 'regular' laws about fraud for the police
to prosecute them whether they committed fraud within or without
an esoteric framework). SEE PART TWO
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Anonymousreturns User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 08:52 PM
It's Anonymous again! Quite simply (my legislation!)don't
confuse me with a politician of any kind and after all it was
you who brought up the subject of the FMA. Not me!
HOWEVER, since I have been pushed on the point, I am of the
belief that such legislation would have more benefit than
drawback : it protects people from unscrupulous con-artists who
prey on the unfortunate and the incredulous.
My guess is that charlatans wish to protect charlatanism for
their own non occult money making scams, and if you happen to
fall into that catagory then that is your problem! Ultimately,
con-artists con themselves into all sorts of misfortune as a
consequence of the misfortune that they bring upon others.Cult
leaders may con their followers some of the time, but they end
up conning themselves all of the time. More to the point, if all
these people ever do is lie to their higher self then any
contact that they have with it will be percieved as a lie, the
result is the worst kind of advice possible rather than the
clairvoyance or "powers" that they claim to be the experts of!
These things are the preserve of genuine initiates and a very
few so called masters.
Go and buy yourself a tarot reading or something and learn by
your own mistakes.
Anonymous through and through
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Richard Abbot User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 01:03 PM
But it seems that's exactly what they are going to do!
"They burning witches - so what's new?" - someone in the
excellent graphic novel Promethea
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Precisely Richard. Since our anonymous corespondent is so keen
on legislation I thought it would be interesting to see what
he/she had in mind beyond "something must be done."
It seems obvious to me that any legislation, due to its inherent
limits, will be incapable of discriminating between the genuine
and the exploiter and so will become a form of persecution.
But anonymous thinks otherwise? I await his draft legislation
with great interest.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Richard Abbot User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 04:33 PM
Aren't there many paths to truth? Believe me, i absolutely
detest NAN, Parking Angels, Cosmic Ordering and all that crap,
but how does a law deal with those that peddle rubbish and not
effect the SA and those that are genuine? My experience of
politicians, who make the laws, is that they will not be able to
discriminate between truth and fiction and we will all be tarred
with the same brush - one step further toward the burning of
witches again? If you perform a working, or do a reading for
someone, and they are not happy with the results/information,,
under this proposed legislation it is you who will be in
trouble, not them for thinking that you had all the answers and
could perform miracles. Isn't that a dangerous move? I am still
undecided...
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Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 04:04 PM
I'd be very interested to see a draft of a workable law that
could do this. What did yo have in mind?
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 05, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I still think that the curse of charlatanism is a menace to
society.A read through the classifieds of any prediction type
magazines is proof that con-artists, the deluded and the
criminally insane are at work. The law needs to clearly define
what is legitimate business and what is outright fraud.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 05, 2008 at 08:47 AM
Surely the problem is once they start legislating in this area
we'll soon find the law being used for persecution once more?
The FMA is redundant and should be repealed as it provides no
real protection for the public, yet can be used, as it was in
Barnsley some years ago, when real crime (in this case theft)
couldn't be proved.
Topic RE: Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 02:17 PM
we all know that the S.A is the only real trustworthy business
in the modern occult world. Perhaps there are few people who are
getting close to this exceptional standard-but not many!I think
that many people in the occult business are creating a real
problem that needs to be dealt with. Fraudulent rip off premium
rate tarot lines, fake astrologers, fake palmists and tarot
readers! Self proclaimed clairvoyants heckling passers by in the
street. This must include the growing plethora of self styled
non-initiate authors on magick and unripe guru's who in their
meglomania set up their own phoney magical orders.
Surely there is a need for some kind of protection, for ordinary
people,seekers of the path as well as the sanctity of the
mysteries themselves???
Topic Fraudulent Mediums Act
posted by Richard Abbot User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Hi - i wondered if anyone out there has an opinion on this? Does
something need to be done? Is there anything that can be done?
Is it irrelevant? Will it only affect New Age Nonsense or are we
all under threat? I've been scratching my head about this for a
while now, so thoughts from you all are appreciated - Thanks
Richard
"We would also like to bring you up to date about the proposed
Repeal of the Fraudulent Mediums Act. Unless we all make some
effort to take control of events the Act will be replaced in
part or in its entirety by the Consumer Protection Regulations
in April 2008. This will place the onus on the medium, trader in
spiritual goods etc to prove that they were not fraudulent. The
Fraudulent Mediums Act put the onus on the person complaining to
prove that the medium was fraudulent."
For details about the law change please go here, although i am
sure there will be other links on the web:
http://www.essexspiritguide.co.uk/article.aspx?a=451&p=39
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Topic RE: fumigating clothe's for magical
effects posted by kimball User
posted on April 24, 2010 at 09:30 PM
thank's denise. p.s no word from my local m.p as yet but it will
come.
Topic RE: fumigating clothe's for magical
effects posted by Denise W User
posted on April 06, 2010 at 09:18 AM
edited on April 06, 2010 at 09:21 AM
Willowtree is quite correct in that
Magical Oils can be used in most instances for Results Magic or
simple spells but for high-magick it is standard traditional
procedure to fume parchment talismans, charms, crystal balls,
image dolls, and even people during initiations and exorcisms in
incense vapours. Marabas teaches that as incense burns its
molecular structure builds a 'ladder between planes and acts as
an ectoplasm which can transfer and focus magical and spiritual
forces. Anything impregnated with the fumes will also contract
those forces. This is why it is so important to have an incense
or oil which is
traditionally 'balanced' and focussed for the result required
and why those who leave out the use of incense in rites are
often unknowingly denuding their own magical experiments and
outcomes. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: fumigating clothe's for magical
effects posted by Willowtree User
posted on April 04, 2010 at 03:40 PM
edited on April 06, 2010 at 09:08 AM
I'm no adept nor am I experienced in such matters but from what
I've experienced, personally I would go ahead and use the oil as
opposed to the incense. Perhaps place the oil on your CV? I have
used the spellkits from Marabas and they have worked for me so I
think I would just go ahead and use
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm#P108
But that's just my personal opinion - Denise can put you right
on this one :-)
Topic fumigating clothe's for magical effects
posted by kimball User
posted on April 03, 2010 at 05:12 PM
I have a magical exsperiment to try out but i want to know if it
is viable. I was wondering if bt fumigating a suit or any other
piece of clothing with a particlar incense you can inbue that
clothing with the power of that incense. for exsample having
your suit that you wear for work fumigated with success in
business incense.
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Topic RE: Further Tarot work.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM
My personal interpretation of this prose is: "Work Holy One?"
(Who)
: What's your viewpoint? A seperate being within the prescence
of The Other, names, natures places. One day, you may
understand/be...:'Mine-Not Mine.' "Yet unseen only" (You) I
cannot give you the unseen, only point at it. Serious tarot
uniting; Deity Yoga; (Study) As study of the paths progresses,
Yoga, uniting, with one's deity may be enhanced.
The rest: The organs of Lucifer, Who brought Light, are the
Sephira and paths of The Tree.When all enegy stations are
active, new understanding occurs.
The key of the tarot is in its great potency as a personal tool.
To read for others, an occasional thing. It involves diving
through,the card,connecting with the client's mind, telepathy
ensues in vision form. Do you make the
people you read for,E.G. as a profession, aware that you will be
examining their psyches, using telepathy?
Topic RE: Further Tarot work.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 28, 2008 at 03:53 PM
The words are valid on a trance like level of knowledge.
Take the first letter of each word, and read the words.
The point? Meanings concealed within meanings.
Topic RE: Further Tarot work.
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 28, 2008 at 10:16 AM
sorry do not understand reply
Topic Further Tarot work.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 27, 2008 at 05:22 AM
Work Holy One? Yet Only Unseen.
Serious Tarot Uniting; Deity Yoga.
Where, How And That?
The Result Empowers Essential
Organs From
Lucifer If Found Entirely
As New Dimentions
Spiritual Organs
Open New. and so 4th.
Topic Clairvoyance / Tarot going deeper?
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 09:42 AM
hiya
I went to a tarot reader in the 80s she was the best I had ever
seen. My question is that though she did the cards it is that
the actual insights seemed to come from more than the cards, as
in names, places, etc. Can the tarot reveal all this or does it
connect with clairvoyance away from looking at the tarot. I do
not know why but sometimes I get blocked with the tarot, it is
like how can the same card mean something different to each
person, I know the next card modifies and changes it all but
still I get blocked.
This lady was in her 70s she looked very much like Madame
Blavatsky, had that occult energy with her. I would like to know
how does one get to that level of accuracy, is it that someone
is born with it, or can it be developed? If so, what is the way
to go deeper with this, as in are there magic rituals one can
do, or is it through meditation and connecting with spirit, or
looking into clairvoyance techniques, just that I was impressed
with names, places, in fact everything was so spot on.
Also how does one overcome the block of not knowing whether you
are right or wrong in what you say, which is why I ask are there
other ways to bring forth messages, other than symbols of tarot,
or am I missing something.
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posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 05:50 AM
If I could find the note I could explain Mouse. I asked if the
Fylfot could be used as an aid to astral projection etc. when I
ordered.The general gist of the answer was that it could by
connecting you to certain powerful energies,If I recall
correctly.Maybe one of the staff could answer this better.
Topic RE: Fylfot Stone
posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 08:28 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Hi all, i also have a fylfot stone, and i have used it many
times in my practices,and i found it does work,and it is great
to take with you to the woods or forests,when practicing natural
magic.I have found it usefull in growing herbs and plants.I
found that one of my lemon plants was not growing propley,so i
placed the fylfot stone next to the plant in the pot,after a few
days it looked much better.You may not belive it but its
true,and you should try it for yourself.Use your finger and
follow it around as directed and place it in the pot,you will be
suprised at the results.I have never see the real stone either
but the one i have works.Well worth the money.Blessings Chris
[Infoburst: More information and background on the Fylfot Stone
here:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/fylfot.htm
Topic RE: Fylfot Stone
posted by Mouse User
posted on January 12, 2008 at 05:49 PM
Hard to say; I have done only one ritual, but early indications
are good.
Do you mind my asking why you are using it for astral
projection? What's the connection between the fylfot and astral
projection?
Cheers,
Mouse
Topic RE: Fylfot Stone
posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 12, 2008 at 12:21 AM
I haven`t been to see the original carving, but I do have an
S.A. Fylfot stone and have been attempting to use it for astral
projection/lucid dreaming.It has been hard to determine wether
any success came from use of the Fylfot or the other methods I
have been employing.I have also been trying to use it for pain
relief/health problems, it really does seem to take the edge off
sometimes (maybe it`s just having a placebo effect,but then
again maybe not).How about yourself, any noticeable results?
Topic Fylfot Stone posted
by Mouse User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 09:49 PM
My partner gave me a fylfot stone (from the SA) for Yule.
Does anyone else have one? If so, have you used it much, and how
do you find working with it?
Also, has anyone gone to see the original carving, and how easy
is it to get to?
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Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid
dreaming. posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 06, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Some people buy the Galantamine and Choline seperately and mix
as they so desire, I am far too lazy and buy the more
convenient(but probably more expensive and less effective)pills
from the US via the internet.There are atleast a couple of
different companies selling them and as I`m not to sure about
the rules of this forum I won`t name them.You could google -
lucid dream pills or some such thing - just make sure they
contain the Galantamine and Choline.
Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid
dreaming. posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 05, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Where do you buy this stuff? Thanks
Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid
dreaming. posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I`m not to sure they have been tested by the US FDA, although I
think Galantamine is used to treat Alzheimers.They don`t seem to
cause much in the way of side effects for me except greater
recall and much more intense dreams so far.
Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid
dreaming. posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Sometimes they improve the experience very strongly, producing
dreams upon dreams that go on and on in a very epic
way.Sometimes they seem to do little more than improve
recall.The dream structure does seem to hold better than
usual,not going from dreamscene to dreamscene quite so
much,giving a better chance to become lucid.
Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid
dreaming. posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 03:30 AM
Havn't trid them, but, interseting concept. Could you please
describe them a little? like; What area of brain effected? In
what way? Have they been tested by the U.S. F.D.A?
Interested.
Topic RE: Galantamine and Choline for lucid
dreaming. posted by RP User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:24 PM
No I have not tried. How good is it? Does it REALLY improve the
experience or just slightly?
Topic Galantamine and Choline for lucid
dreaming. posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:12 PM
Hi, does anyone here use Galantamine and Choline for stimulating
lucid dreaming and aiding with recall?
They are available in capsule format (sometimes with Melatonin)
from US suppliers, they have worked quite well for me so far, I
just wondered if anyone else was experimenting with them.Thanks.
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Topic RE: supernatral experience
posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Dear Ethericsoul, having only just found this thread, Dear
Brother/sister, you're a natural! 'Sleep paralysis': If you try
rocking your lower body, as if on a swing, you could swing out
of your flesh suit, and travel The Etheric Plane in your Etheric
Soul! Of course, as you're non-plussed currently, Fr,Marabuses
and Denises advice is for you, I simply say, you have 'the
gift'.
Very Best wishes, and, when ready, Happy travels!!!
Topic RE: Beginners beware of conmen (or
women) posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Oops, sorry wrong section!
Topic Beginners beware of conmen (or women)
posted by JJ User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:45 AM
Hi all, dare I mention the name Kevin Carylon on here Denise?
Enough said, no wish to offend the people on this site. Form
your own opinion though by going to
http://www.occultforums.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=342341#post342341
Topic RE: supernatral experience
posted by Anonymous User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 06:16 PM
edited on April 22, 2008 at 08:35 AM
this thread has moved away from genuine supernatural experiences
into amature renditions of the LBRP?
[Hi Anonymous, It is in the nature of the dialectic of forums
for this to happen. Best thing to do is to contribute a personal
supernatural experience of your own to refocuse this thread
again - Denise W]
Topic RE: supernatral experience
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Since the last message I have Practiced LBRP again with no
deletrious effects at all and have done Regardies Middle Pillar
Exersise within its boundaries. I have found it very effective
in restoring ones equipose and peace and harmony and if one does
it after a stressfull day at work one feels restored as if one
had not gone to work in all fairness though i did work with
OEXP34 for a month prior to that having got rid of the old
inapropriate lino floor in my workroom and replacing it with
black and white square tile effect laminate which means wherever
one stands one is in white a white square or a black square
surrounded by its opposite colour cross even so I did have a
lucid (just having got into bed dream of levitating and flying
around in the room and another of growing and extening up into
space which I managed to catch hold of with my will but such are
good signs arn't they!)
Topic RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences
posted by Karen User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 08:25 AM
I don't recall experiencing altered consciousness on trains or
buses; however, I have had somewhat similar experiences at a
former job that involved document coding at a computer all day.
Computers can do rather odd things to one's mind; eventually I
had to go outside for walks during lunch breaks every day just
to stay grounded.
I do happen to be clairsentient, and have had encounters with
relatives and at least one musician friend after they passed
away. I don't want to take up too much space elaborating here;
but feeling spirit energy is a fascinating, if sometimes
unnerving experience. A bit like a very abrupt rush of
adrenaline...
Topic RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences
posted by RP User
posted on March 21, 2008 at 07:57 PM
They look like ordinary photo's to me!!
Topic RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences
posted by Mcparted User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 09:02 PM
Living with Marcia over the years, I saw many of the black
shadows etc. almost to many ghostly tales to recount, I took
this picture in 2006 about 3.30am on Redcar beach, on a 2 second
expoure.
Just after I took it I walked down the slpway towards where the
spooks/entities "whatever" are clearly visible on the picture
and saw nothing.
The fact that the shading covers the sea as well as the sand
says that something must have been between lens and sea.the
other odd thing is that it's been on my site snce 2006, and no
one has mentioned it, while the film pics are frequently
mentioned
Steve
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.plews/new/New%20beaches/pages/night%20beach%20ahoy%20fisherspooks_jpg.htm
Topic Banishing and encircling rituals
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on March 16, 2008 at 09:39 AM
During my years of interest in magic I have experimented with
numerous different banishing and encircling rituals with
different kinds of result some seeming negative and others
positive(see my response in the the strand on Supernatrual
Experiences). I have created this strand because it could be a
fertile
Topic for fruitful discusion in itself as apart from general
supernatural experiences.
Topic RE: supernatral experience
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on March 16, 2008 at 09:23 AM
I too have practiced LBRP of the Golden Dawn and yes it does
stir things up and cause waking dreams but of cause ones aim in
magic is to accelerate ones evolution and the dark things that
come to light are probably like limpets that for years have been
fastened to the pier of the unconsious but have been brought to
consiousness were they can be dealt with. Inevitably magical
practices will set things into motion and what has to be dealt
with initially may not necesarily be very pleasant nevertheless
it is vital to have to deal with these things initially that are
manifestations of unconsious complexes that are holding the
individual back from magical development. For me magic is about
the emancipation of the individual but before we can be free we
have to deal with those creatures of terror that enslave us from
deep within unconsiously. I had some awful (and yet wonderful)
experiences in the first few years as I tried and fumbled away
to use magical techniques to fight to liberate myself from what
seemed to be depression some experiences being of non human
things that would look good in a Dennis Wheatly black magic
movie. Since listening to the Marabas Psychic Self Defence Tape
I now realise I was probably under psychic attack from factors
in the environment such as paranoid and jealous neighbours and
the like. The most powerful Banishing Ritual I practiced which
seemed to cure that and turned my life around competely was the
Aurum Solis Setting of the Wards of Power after doing that
consistently starting at an appropriate Astrologically chosen
time my confidence increased enormously, the magical space
establised by it came to feel intensley and beautifully
clean(myself aswell) and after a magical year of some strange
and beautiful visionary experiences while working with
techniques in this system I was able to move on and achieve
things in my life that I could not do before like joining MENSA
and going to university to do a degree. Recently, I have worked
an entire month with the SA version Rosey Cross Ritual and can
attest that it is very effective in calming the astral
evironment down and bringing peace and harmony eliminates
tension in the atmosphere and cures insomnia. In my case at the
end of the analysis at the descent of the column of light a
vision of a shield a cross within a circle not rosey red but
like the kabbalistic symbol for Earth with quadrants in Citrine
Olive Russet and Black. I seem to have had some prophetic dreams
before doing this ritual relating to it and this shield (like
the back of a GD Pentacle) seems to come into the mind most
readilly but does seem to want to dominate everything. It may be
better to follow a plan like in Israel Regardie's One Year
Manual and ignore the LBRP completely using Rose Cross instead
and do the Middle Pillar within this. Despite being a beginner's
ritual it is probably quite hard to draw accurate pentegrams and
visualise them correctly at first and when you can they tend to
burn black bars into a grey background read Aleister Crowleys
Diary John St John and discover how he visualised them and also
if done right you should see the star of david the sign of the
macrocosm above and below you in the column of light that holds
you in the circle. I THINK many people overlook this very
important but vital final stage as this is the stage that cuts
you off from qliphothic or unbalanced elements that are there
all the time in the everyday world and calls down positive
celestial powers. Kraig describes RcR as a cloaking ritual but
remove the GD jargon and it is probably a powerful temple
grounding and shielding ritual.
Any way encircling rituals and banishing rituals are of great
interest and perhaps should not corrupt the strand on
supernatrual experiences and deserve a strand for discussion all
by themselves.
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Topic RE: supernatral experience
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 10, 2008 at 02:08 AM
edited on March 19, 2008 at 05:47 PM
hi
I stopped the LBRP it was attracting a lot of strange
things...vivid dreams..sleep paralysis..waking up and just
having a fear someone was in my room. I will try Rose Cross
Ritual...I have also heard LBRP lights up the astral...but
doesn't the Middle Pillar also do the same thing...though you
mention Rose Cross...I wonder which one would be best for
protecting but also bringing about greater spirit awareness...
[Infoburst: Hi Ethericsoul. You are looking down the wrong end
of the telescope. From this end you got what you asked for.
Initiates aren't surprised when things happen after beginners
start practising magical operations and neither should you be.
Surely you would be complaining if they didn't! Marabas teaches
that the 'problem' if any is simply that when a beginner first
opens up their psychic censor there's a whole lot of astral
dross whooshing in and out until they gain control and balance.
The advice is not to take this too seriously. There is nothing
inherently wrong or negative about the Banishing Ritual of the
Lesser Pentagram - it is an excellent rite and we wouldn't want
to give it unnecessary bad press in this Forum - however if you
want a magical exercise to seal up and strengthen your aura
(absolutely essential AFTER a magical working of course) then
you should download Marabas's
Rosy Cross Rite OEXP034 (you can do this instantly right
now from www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm
- scroll down the page to Rosy Cross Rite. ) BB, Denise W.]
Topic RE: supernatral experience
posted by windymiller User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 07:23 PM
Hi there ethericsoul. With regards to you performing the LBRP
and experiencing dark shadows etc, I have read that this
sometimes happens with this ritual because although it is,
amongst other things a protection rite, it also 'lights' an area
and a persons aura up on the astral and entities who normally
would'nt bother are then attracted to your area. Have you tried
the Rose Cross? I have read that this rite 'cloaks' a person
from astral nasties. I've practiced the LBRP a few times (I'm
still a beginner) and I have had no strange experiences or
feelings...in fact no feelings at all apart from a calmness once
the rite is complete. Maybe I'm doing it wrong!?!? This is the
trouble when a beginner, ie you don't know if what you are doing
is working until something happens!
Topic RE: supernatral experience
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 04:53 AM
hi
not long after that took place, say a week. I was walking out
with a friend and we both seen a ball of blue light shoot across
the floor, same blue light that happened when I seen my mother.
I was in a waiting room the other day and seen this ball of gold
light but when I looked it disappeared, again to the left.
Apparently it is by consciously looking that we come out of the
trance or state of mind we were in, so a tip would be to just
let it be do not suddenly look. Though when I did this with my
mother, it was the ball that was trying to get me to look where
it was coming from. The blue ball was moving, whereas the gold
light just kind of gently appeared did not move but kind of
pulsated once. I have seen a full monk in my room, and as a kid
this black figure stood at the bottom of my bed, it was not the
monk as that appeared when I was getting to age of 20. This
black figure was more menacing ...in black suit. I did once when
I was in Devon see this scruffy guy run from one side of the
room to the other, it was there like a physical but also like a
shadow. And when I started doing LBRP I attracted what I can
only describe as balls of black shadow but sometimes like at the
corner of my vision black shadow people. My mother passed on
Valentine's Day in the early 90's and this year 2008 on that day
I was awoke by the strong smell of rose oil...but also like a
smell of death..I used to work in a morgue...so I can only
assume it was my mother making her self known to me again.
I have also had the being pulled out of bed by something as
well..that was scary. I live close to a railway track, but also
a cemetary...' I have this large Native Indian picture on my
wall in bedroom and as I am awaking in middle of night I am
drawn to this and for some reason the Indian is not there but I
see images, I think it is more out of the shape of the Indian
but these images are clear and vivid not moving but like scenes.
When you see auras just be still try and raise your mind to pure
spiritual thoughts, try doing breathing like kundalini...and
dont snap into a conscious state be more in a deeper level but
still aware. I did this once and seen spirit walking next to or
within the person's aura, though they were walking by a large
lake it was very clear but like etheric I think the water added
to me seeing them because the water of the lake was in the
background of the person behind them as they walked by. In my
other post I asked about ways to develop this sight or
ability..by mediumship tips but also occult tips or rituals...'
One strange thing that did happen to me...I was going to stay in
Devon and before I went I was walking through this alleyway, and
this tramp came towards me with a bottle of drink in his hand,
he said don't end up like me. When I looked around he was gone.
I came home from Devon because the people I went to stay with
were all heavy drinkers and so I wonder about what happened. Was
it a full physical materialisation....'
Topic RE: supernatral experience
posted by RP User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Hi ethericsoul,
Thank you for sharing your experience. It is a relief to know
that I am not alone in experiencing these powerful
materialisations. Some people have said to me before that an
intense blue light accompanies the experience. Although I see
aura's and often sphere's of light, nothing ever pops out of
them - so to speak - into tangiable form - such as we are
speaking of here. The train experiences, that I mentioned
earlier in this thread, were full materialisations but were not
accompanied by the light as you put it - perhaps they were
before I encounted the spirits concerned? I have many photo's
that clearly show me surrounded by spirits, but none of them
materialized at the time when the photo's were taken. I do
connect with your experience which sounds every bit as genuine
as mine.
Have you had similar experience since?
Best
RP
Topic RE: supernatral experience
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 11:58 PM
hi
My mother fully materialised about five hours after she was
cremated. At first I was just sat with no TV just looking into
space in front of me, as everyone had gone and I was on my own.
Then a ball of ultra blue light came from the left to being in
front of me. I never took much notice, until the 3rd or 4th time
I thought what is that, and then when I looked where it was
coming from a cloud of blue and purple light appeared, a
swirling of energy and my mother fully materialised.
I was in a kind of startled emotion, it was strong, and so I
just got up and said "I am not ready for this" and went to a
relatives. Looking back I wish I had not done that, but it was
powerful energy...'
Topic RE: supernatral experience
posted by RP User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 06:19 PM
Hi Vitriol,
Electricity and / or friction is possibly a real part of these
phenomena. I remember how in my experiences - described earlier
- that screeches and sparks of metal on metal ( wheels on track
) could have provided some energy that could be tapped and
chanelled in ways condusive to creating materialisations. When
we think about the London Underground with all those miles of
electrical cables, the lighting, the friction of the wheels on
the tracks; much of which will be coarsing beneath the old
graveyards and the remains of the dead ( It would be enough to
wake the dead!! Haha!).
All of this is just conjecture of course. Perhaps trains are
simply convenient places for materializations, especially as
they involve a coming from and going to situation! Yet somehow,
intuitively I feel that there is a strong pseudo scientific /
occult connection and explanation! I think that a lot of
experimentation could take place along the lines ( excuse pun! )
of what we are discussing here. Sometimes what you are looking
for is directly in front of your nose; one misses the truths one
seeks, ever looking for more exotic and fanciful explanations.
I wonder if miners have similar tales to tell? just a thought!
Best
RP
Topic RE: supernatral exsperience
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L. User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 05:52 PM
Yes it is amazing how all these experiences seem to have the
railway line connection! I wasn't even conscious that they all
had a railway connection until suddenly! eurika! there it was
plain an clear! One thing that is interesting though is the dark
spectre moving around the inner perimetre of the work place
caused the lights to go off and on as it passed by which seems
to imply that its manifestation somehow requires or it feeds on
a lot of electrons and modern railway lines have overhead power
cables which must be a powerful source of energy. Also the Smurl
family haunting case in America who were perstered by a dark
manifestation sufferred astronomical electicity bills which they
could not account for.
Topic RE: Genuine Supernatural Experiences
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 05:32 PM
Thank you for that Denise! I do not have that tape yet but will
acquire it soon. I have found that a number of situations will
put me into that reverie state that Marabas writes about. I have
sliped into it whilst watching films and when listening to
classical music in which it seems to work better with lesser
known rather than great composers. Whilst watching Pirates of
The Carribean I had a vision of the full moon and visions of
pirates ships and the sea of a very surley nature which were
entirely different and unique compared with what was going on
the screen itself and Ferdinand Ries Piano concerto no 1 in C
major precipitated what seemed to be a vision of the composer
followed by a walking down the street life like view of what
seemed to be a street in early 19th century Vienna. If I get
into a relaxed state these days I tend to get very many
experiences like this. The ones brought on by incense after a
ritual tend to be specific to the purpose of the ritual. It
follows that correct focus and correspondences in accordance
with this state should open up the vistas of power intended all
one needs is the time and patience as well as the will power to
apply it.
Topic RE: supernatral exsperience
posted by RP User
posted on February 23, 2008 at 07:43 PM
Hey thanks for this intersting story. As you know my own tale
did not involve the sort of dark figure that you mention
Vitriol. However,what you say is very interesting because I have
long held the belief, because my direct experience, that we are
not talking entirely in terms of ASC but that indeed actual
materialisation can and does occurr. The fact that you say that
the CCTV footage evidences the appearance of the figure you
mention is fantastic.
It may seem really bizarre to some of our readers but trains (I
have not had paranormal bus experiences) really do seem to be
very attractive environments to those who wish to communicate
with us from the other side. In my case on several occasions, as
if those departed were still living. Very strangely and years
after my first encounter on that train between Istanbul and
Athens ( 1988 ) and subsequently to meeting my partners deceased
father, Edinburgh to Lincoln ( 2001 ) I saw a documentary on TV
about the London Underground. It's supposed to be the most
haunted place in the world - it is of course a network of
underground trains that constantly drive through the graveyards
all around, past and present. Furthermore, CCTV footage had been
obtained of some of the apparitions but this was not used in the
programme - probably because it would have been considered just
too scary for general consumption!
Please do contribute more - anyone - if you have had similar
experiences because this thread is really moving towards
understanding the nature of these and similar phenomenon.
Thanks Denese and SA generally for hosting this forum. It is
bound to draw the more serious, curious and studious amongst us.
Topic RE: supernatral exsperience
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 23, 2008 at 04:50 PM
Dark Spectres of that kind seem to be quite common; i have heard
numerous stories from people experiencing them. My own
experience happened about 20 years ago. I had caught the night
bus 14 home having been at a night club and whilst walking up
Albert Road at about 2:30 am the railway bridge was in view and
I was walking towards it all alone. Going under the bridge the
road goes up a slope and from the part of the road underneath
the bridge I saw a small black moving rectangular shape appear
which coming towards me out of the sloping road becoming larger
and larger until it was a full black hooded shadowy faceless
form. It was totally nonchalant and disinterested in me and all
it appeared to do was to turn left into some waste ground by the
side of the railway track and I was totally bewildered by the
experience. The experience of a manifestation I find is always
alot less scarry than the idea of one.
At my current workplace which is on the Washwood Heath Road the
security men have told me that they have caught such an entity
on CCTV and have the tape. The place is security locked and
nobody is in there at about 12.30am but the cameras picked up
the image of something of that kind walking around the inside
perimeter of the building causing the lights to go on and of as
it went past them. Interestingly the building is several miles
up the very same railway line and the railway line to Coventry
goes right past the building so perhaps there is somehow a
connection between railway lines and this type of entity.
In disgusing the same
Topic a black lady called Sue who used to work with me told me
of an incident where her nephew; a formidable black youth
suddenly started yelling and shouting get out of my room
complaing that there was a black figure in his bedroom. I myself
have never encountered such a thing at home.
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posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 19, 2008 at 11:41 AM
edited on April 14, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Hi all, great thread. Marabas teaches that falling into Altered
States of Consciousness on a train or bus is a regular
phenomenon and not surprising, particularly on a train where
images flash past at a constant rate backed up by the clickety
clack of the tracks so that the visual and auditory centres of
the brain are closely entrained, often into Alpha rythm. Like
all initiates Marabas knows the importance of the frequency or
vibration of thought. Many years ago he arranged the S.A.'s
Psychotronic Sound Tape which is a powerful collection of sonic
and sub-sonic waveforms of the most useful type to occultists
which can be either played straight out of the box or looped to
provide frequencies to bring on/develop Astral Projection,
clairvoyance, trance etc. [type
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm into your browsers's
location window and scroll down the page for more information on
the Psychotronic Sound Tape]. Of course the key thing is what
one DOES with the ASC achieved. If one does not focus it under
will then all manner of psychic phenomena will randomly occur
depending upon a wide spectrum of possibilities linked to, say,
discarnate entities who may have wanted to make contact with you
for some while past, to the flailings of the unconscious mind,
thru a breakthrough linked to recent magical workings. I think
the debate about the difference between etheric and dream time
is a misdirection. Physical reality is only more real to us than
other dimensions because it is where consciousness functions
most. In fact ALL states or ASC are as valid therefore it is not
necessary to posit one as being more real than another. Nothing
happens by chance - everything has portent. BB Denise W.
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posted by kimball User
posted on February 18, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Iv had a lot of small supernatral momment's but the one that top
it for me was seeing my thirst shadow man or shadow like entity.
I was not scared but a banishing rite was in order i felt.
Topic RE: Supernatural Experiences Whilst
Travelling posted by RP User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 06:44 PM
Thank you, and I see where you are coming from. Most of our
books on magick and spiritualism have conditioned us into
believing that it 'must' be a vision or a dream and not much is
said about ethereal experiences, because perhaps it makes us
feel a little uncomfortable!?
However, as amazing as this sounds I really did meet him in all
of his (what would be have to be considered) 'physical' glory
even though he was several months dead after a terrible
accident.I went to his funeral and buriel and I kind of thought
well that's it then!
It was only after the encounter, which incidentally took place
on a train travelling between Turkey and Greece in August 1988,
that it dawned upon me that it had to happen! When we were in
6th form together we had a silly boyish dream of joining the
Foriegn Legion together.In one of our conversations he grabbed
hold of my hand and said ( and I will never forget it!) " The
first to die comes back to see the other!!" I was so shocked by
this that I tried to pull my hand away and I would not sware it
with him.But he insisted and refused to let go of my hand even
when I said " I don't want to sware this because I know that it
will not be me that goes first!" ( somehow I just knew it! ) He
insisted that we sware it and so we did. In other words, we had
made a tryst that could not be broken - and thus it came to pass
that he probably had no choice but to return to see me in the
astonishing way that he did.He was not alone either, there was a
guide, a most beautiful and dainty woman!
I leave you to ponder with that for a while. Have a Great New
Year.
Off down the pub.
Topic RE: Supernatural Experiences Whilst
Travelling posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 05:26 PM
Well it was hardly a whispy ghosty at the time I experienced her
but very plain and clear what failed come through in the
original reply is that she actually banged on the window very
audibly and strong next to where I was sitting so when I looked
at her I could see her face very plain and clearly like any
ordinary person that is why I say that it was like an etheric
vision because those I understand are the strong ones in which
one is transported to another dimension and things seem as plain
and as clear as in this one.
Anyway as a person interested in Magick I have kept dream
diaries and in 1996 I had a six months experience of meeting and
talking to a person in dreams who I had known and worked with
but had very quickly developed lung cancer of the highly
malignant oat cell kind and had died within the space of six
months to that. I kept on seeing him in subsequent dreams which
were often in party settings of the kind had by the people I
worked for. For personal reasons I had ceased to work for them
but I still attended the funeral of this well known local man of
the people. The settings where like at a party in the pub
sharing a drink together and he knew exactly why I had left but
encouraged me to come out and work for them again (which
incidently I did not). I even said to him 'You do realise you
are dead don,t you and that you need to move forward, move on !
but then he would look extreemly hurt and would come back in
further dreams on subsequent nights. From six months after his
death I never had any reoccurance of meeting him in the dreams.
After a six months it was the local political elections in which
he would have been re-elected had he lived.
I have never met someone on the physical plane in the way you
describe although I had an encounter with something of a non
human kind in that way 12 years ago during a bad time which I
now realise since listening to Frater Marabas tape on Psychic
Self Defence was probably part of psychic attach but I did not
realise it at the time as I struggled with what seemed to be
depression. What I will say however is an etheric experience is
so real that it can seem that you are actually on the physical
plane when you experience it as with me and the girl and perhaps
this is what happened to you and your deceased friend. Indeed if
it was important for them to communicate with you it would much
more likely be in this way as they are now longer physical
beings but don't underestimate an etheric experience it is far
differnet from an astral vision it is just as if you are
actually there.
If the dead want to talk to you it seems much easier and more
likely that they would communicate to you in dreams as in my own
example which I described above.
Topic RE: Supernatural Experiences Whilst
Travelling posted by RP User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 01:48 PM
Nice to have some feedback and your story. It is a relief to
know that I am not alone in having had full on encounters with
the deceased. Although I have been of the opinion that we all
have these experiences but that if we are not switched on to it,
we do not recognise them when they happen ie the strange but
nice telephone call (wrong number), the stranger asking for
directions (you sort of recognise him but you feel silly making
mention of it "You look just like my Gandpa!!") and the list
could go on and on.
Has anyone else had real and direct walking talking experiences
with the deceased - not as whispy ghosties, but as REAL people
as you once knew them when they were living?
Topic Supernatural Experiences Whilst
Travelling posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 20, 2007 at 11:09 AM
That Is interesting because I too have had some strange and
interesting visions whilst travelling at speed on buses which I
try to note down when I get them but on one occasion I had a an
experience of the etheric kind in which I seemed to witness a
ghost of a young girl of about 14 whilst travelling to work on a
97 the experience happened in the November of 2006 and I had
experienced a number of visions on successive days whilst
traveling from the Heath Mill lane in Deritend to Selfridges in
the City Centre (as follows): the bus was travelling from the
Moat house Lane to Selfridges which involves the bus turing two
corners I suddenly became aware of this young brunnette dressed
in what seemed to be a white nightdress sitting in the single
seat behind where the driver sits. When the bus stopped outside
Selfridges and opened its doors she ran off the bus quickly
round to the window where I was sitting I saw what appeared to
be a very goodlooking 14 year old girl but then I clicked into
normal consciousness and realised that the whole thing had been
witnessed on the astral counterpart of the bus and that I had
experienced a random supernatrual experience probably brought on
by occult psychospiritual excersises but the whole thing seemed
to suggest that it was a local ghost that wished me to be aware
of its presence in the area. I have found that the turning of
corners in a relaxed state often stimulates visions. Is this
because corners are interfaces between one direction and another
and interfaces are known to be magically very potent. The event
seemed random and didn't carry a lot of meaning for me but it
was interesting and intense.
Topic Genuine Supernatural Experiences
posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 07:31 PM
I would like to start a new thread about paranormal
experiences.I hope that postings can uncover a few simularities
and that a discussion can begin.
Rather than write at length, I will begin by making a statement
which may stimulate some interest? I am prepared to say that I
have had many paranormal experiences while travelling by train.
Further still, I assert that I had a direct paranormal
encounter/experience with a friend who had tragically passed
over at the age of only 20.The experience lasted a number of
hours and he was as real as if he were living!
Now these things can - and do - happen anywhere (?) but so often
these and similar things have occured on a train!
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posted by JK User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 11:59 AM
I made a mistake in my last posting. It is either
Chinese wash or river water with ROCK salt
according to Marabas's instructions.-JK
Topic RE: getting rid of old talismans
posted by kimball User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 09:47 PM
thanks for the advice. sadly i cant since most of the front of
the talismans has rip off. how ever i will be buying
replasments. One of them save my life so a worthwhile
investment.
Topic RE: getting rid of old talismans
posted by JK User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 08:33 PM
Hi Kimball,
As far as I can remember these talismans come with instructions
detailing how to depersonalise them using either Chinese wash
from the SA or a mixture of river water and sea salt. I suppose
you could cleanse them with such a solution in a ritual manner
to be sure.
How did your Talismans work for you ? Couldn't you re-laminate
them ?
JK
Topic getting rid of old talismans
posted by kimball User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 02:33 PM
Does any one know how to bury throw away old talismans with out
having a negative effect apone the user. since ive been using
marabas's talisman set some of them are starting to fall apart
due to me wearing them everywear. please could anyone advise
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posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Mark,
This could apply to the thread elsewhere on the forum about
Ouija
boards. A small group of friends and I were using the ouija on
every Friday night some time back and communications varied but
sometimes were very clear and strong. One night, getting up to
put the lights on I looked over my shoulder for a split second I
saw a shadowy figure and glimpsed his face standing behind where
I'd been sitting. You never forget those things. Scary but made
me
smile !
Best, Alan.
Topic Ghosts/Spirits
posted by Mark User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 06:44 AM
Has anyone else here ever seen a ghost, spirit or other
manifested being, especially very solid, real and verified by
another person ? This has happened to me twice although many
years back now. On one occasion I and a friend both saw from
outdoors a very solid looking human (old man, clothed) looking
out of an upstairs window of my home...we thought a drunk or
senile person had gotten in and went to find him: no trace. This
was in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon. Second experience
was far more dramatic, some years later walking my dog with a
friend through local woods/country park we took a lesser
travelled shortcut, this was at sundown in late summer and
inside this area it was pretty dark: a very tall shrouded figure
of glowing light, fading from chest down appeared from about 100
feet away and shot past us at great speed, about 10 feet from
us. Can anyone tell me what these kinds of spirits these
were, and are they conscious/live beings ?
Love to hear your opinions/stories, Thanks, Mark.
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Topic RE: Pentagam workings.
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 10:34 PM
edited on August 14, 2008 at 04:05 PM
Thanks Nome that was a great compliment. Pete Carrolls Gnostic
Pentergram Ritual is in his book
Liber Kaos available from the S.A. Nice one for the Right hand
tip.
Ricenpeas
P.S. LBRP, my mistake.
Topic RE: Pentagam workings.
posted by nome User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 09:10 PM
Hi again, I saib 'brlp' you say 'lbr'; much better term.
The right hemisphere of the brain controls the left of the body,
and vice versa. The right-brain is imaginative, artistic,
poetic, intuitive, the place where ones magickal self resides,
working through the left side of body. The logical side of the
brain controls the right side of body, the currently dominant
brain hemisphere; hence, greater strength in your right hand.
Serenity, One-All. nome
Topic Pentagam workings.
posted by nome. User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 08:53 PM
Hi, Rice'n'peas, nice.
I've watched your meteoric ascent with facination; the fastest
I've ever seen, and I honestly can't disagree with any of your
comments.
It seems, to My mind, that you are a prominent contributer,
here, beginners will listen to you. You're obviously conversant
with S.A. teaching as matters stand today. If I were a newby,
I'd wonder "Who's Pete? How do I contact him, to buy this
priceless knowledge?" Might I politely point this out, that you
may direct the questioner to the right place? I love your 'Lion
of a man' comment. Brilliant!
Yes, BRlP does what you say, a good solid basis for all Ritual;
your choice now, suits YOU now. You explain Magickal matters
well: Wise. I'll be busy in a retreat. Able to comment if
needed. I wonder how far you'll have gone in a couple of months?
Hmmm!?!? Hope All goes well for you, in All aspects. Sent with
sincere, Very best wishies; nome.
Topic RE: Pentagram Rituals.
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on August 13, 2008 at 02:02 PM
I am in a better position to try and answer this now Nome as Ive
done it a few times. Pete has cut and paste the middle pillar
with banishing ritual. As always he gives the bones and leaves
the fleshing out to the opperator. The vowels are vibrated to
increase focus. Im still unsure why it leads with the left but i
did find it took more conscentration as i am right handed.
Given the chance again i would learn 1 banishing ritual and then
move on to the next but here we are. Moreover I would learn the
LBR first as it has everything contained to link the
micro/macro. The GPR needs alot of filling and as a Novice that
can just cause confusion. I dont reject the GPR in any way,
infact I think it has a lot to yeald, but to be honest, if my
diary would let me, i would stick to the LBR for now.
Ricenpeas
Topic Im Ok posted by
ricenpeas User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Cheers for that but i m sorted. LBRP in the morning GPR in the
evening . You can type "Gnostic Pentagram Ritual" in to google
if you like.
Ricenpeas
Topic Pentagram Rituals.
posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 09:44 AM
Hiya Rice'n'peas, you're all over the shop of late. What, pray
tell, is The Gnostic Pentagram Ritual?
Topic Gnostic Pentergram Ritual
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 02:29 PM
I recently began practicing Regardies LBRP and M.s Ring Not Pass
and i am having some great results. Looking up Pete Carrolls GBR
I find a different style of banishing ritual and I am eager to
incorporate this into my practices. What are the
advantages/disadvantages to practicing both forms of BR.
Cheers
Rice n Peas
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New but niave? User
posted on October 29, 2008 at 11:00 AM
edited on October 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Are gods and planets one and the same? ie, mars is a god and a
planet so when we refer to a god is it the planet we are
referring to also?
[Infoburst: This is a tricky one and does not really connect
with the gist of this thread which is about the existence of a
Cosmic Plan or Intelligence called god. Your enquiry is about
how the godforce manifests. This is complex. We don't have space
here to extrapolate fully but let's try. Marabas teaches that
'god' is a convenient name for a vibrational force complex which
can be represented in many different ways (symbols, images,
sounds, colours, etc all of which are corresponded attributes of
the force-complex) These vibrations exist around us all the time
causing the various phenomena we think of as 'reality' but we
become sensitive to them and can focus them using magic. Thus
the classical image of Mars designed by the romans captures the
warrior-like forces of the god and his ray or vibrational
current is manifested through the red planet, in spilled blood
(red life force), iron (red iron ore for weapons), Red Dawns,
Red Mist Anger (Bezerkers) etc. etc. etc. To understand more of
this and learn how to focus the gods in magic
you should read Marabas's Candle Magick Spellbook here - it will
astonish you and open up doors you never thought possible. BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: luck9 posted by
Scott User
posted on October 28, 2008 at 02:41 PM
edited on October 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Er...
Which God are you on about?
[Infoburst: Precisely.... BB Denise W]
Topic luck9 posted by
Anonymous User
posted on October 23, 2008 at 11:07 AM
edited on October 27, 2008 at 04:44 PM
...don't think it matters whether God is him/her, the Divine
encompasses both and all that is good. God may be called upon in
need and it is upon this Higher Intelligence we all depend even
for our breath. I say "Higher" intelligence because it is
outside of us......the things that happen are decided "above",
before thay ere manifested "below"..........it is all seeing,
all wise, in a way that ordinary human beings are not...........
[Infoburst: Well God would have to be BOTH mail and female
wouldn't heshe? But if you are so certain that 'god' would be
'higher' why is there so much in life that is patently evil. I
am not here talking of cosmic evil - just plain old human evil
taking place as we write. Is that a 'higher' plan of the god you
speak of or what? You can say that God IS breath (that is, the
giver of life-force) but is it? Space scientists recently found
life which was not dependent on breath as we know it so your
statement begs a further definition of what you mean by breath
and whether it is the crucial thing you think it is? Why must we
call upon a god if we want to be magnanimous? BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: God posted by
luck9 User
posted on October 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
edited on October 20, 2008 at 01:41 PM
...of course God exists. Ever read the Bible/Quran etc?
Most intelligent people these days recognise that there is a
Divine Being, a Higher Intelligence/ life force........to say
there is no creative intelligence higher than us is ludicrous.
[Infoburst: Your opinion is only of partial value Luck9 we want
the facts - how do you define Creative Intelligence and why must
it be Higher than us. What would you think if God turned out to
be a Her not a Him. BB Denise W.
Topic God posted by Newbie
User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Does God really exist ? If he does nt Ill be really upset.
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posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 07, 2008 at 04:24 AM
The rule of the g. is: Bring food, or be food. Your armchair
inadvertant summoning suggests
Topic RE: Goetic Spirits
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on April 28, 2008 at 10:26 AM
I am suprised that nobody has noticed this error of mine!
Although the spirits would fit nicely into five degree
quintenances and thefore would in that case fall nicely under
the domains of the angels of the schemhamphorash the actual
classification of these in Liber 777 are as 36 each night and
day demons under the decans of the zodiac my appologies for the
misinformation!
Topic RE: Goetic Spirits
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:53 AM
Fulofmanflu, now then; then now! you are a very naughty old
witch.
" ooh no guv, i never done it"
Such an innocent! But,... what if yor slithering was observed
with amusement! Just for you, a foe,gor!
Spiral bandage, to cone on head? Just for you? A 900 yr. old
demon>? Blessed be you. Now,
Topic RE: Goetic Spirits
posted by fullofmanflu User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Hi V.I.T.R.I.O.L. Point taken that because 2 entities share
similar ish sounding names then it does not automatically follow
that they must in fact be the same entity. I am not sure that
the people who's theory this is have based their assumption
solely on the fact that 2 entities names sound similar though! I
would like to say this is not my personal opinion about the
spirits but is merely one of the theories that I read in many
books. I do agree with you though when you say that a persons
state of mind is a factor when evoking these beings. Also I
strongly agree that the manner in which they are treated plays a
significant part. A few years ago I did experiment with seals of
a couple of the Spirits that I made and consecrated myself and
used in much the same way as the S.A's Universal Talisman Kit
but that is as far as my practical knowledge of the Goetia
goes-I have not yet evoked any spirit (Angelic, Elemental or
whatever) because I am very much on the early steps of my path
and still learning the basic skills and techniques that are
required for ANY type of working. Having said all that though,
the Goetia is a fascinating document and whether it is as old as
Solomon or Medieval in origin is another point of debate. Or
more probably it is a document that contains information dating
back to Solomon but has been 'messed' around with by medieval
scholars-hence the introduction of an almost feudal heirachy
system, etc. I'm not sure but it would be good to have other
peoples thoughts on this document and the Spitits therein.
Topic RE: Goetic Spirits
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 06:22 PM
edited on January 09, 2008 at 04:03 PM
Personally I dislike the word demon when used to describe
spiritual beings. The early Christians where apt do demonise all
gods but their own. Best to see spiritual beings as powers or
forces whether they are harmful or benefical depends on the
state of mind of the operater and understanding of how to
approach them correctly and for the right reasons. The Goetia is
interesting and comes from the Lemegeton or lesser key of King
Solomon The KIng. It presents 72 spirits each given rulership
over each of the quintenences That is 5 degree divisions of the
zodiac: see Aleister Crowley's Book 777.[INFOBURST: For more
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] A small number of the spirits Bael Amon Astaroth for
instance have some phonetic resemblance to gods of the ancient
world. This is all! It is however phonetic resemblance as the
character of these divinites of high state gods and their images
are totally different from those of the spirits and there
natural provenances much much greater. I have not got to the
stage yet were I would feel confident about experimenting with
these beings. If I were to I would study the Shemhamphorash as
this yeilds the names of 72 angels that I imagine would form
part of the invokation before evoking these beings. There is a
splendid little candle magic kit done by Llewellyn giving cards
and sigils as well as a system of divination based on them by
Pricilla Schwie and Aleister Crowley's Illustrated Goetia the
latter of which I got from the SA A few years ago.
Topic RE: Goetia posted by
Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Hi 'Fulofmanflu', I'm glad you found my viewpoint interesting,
and I thank the fates you're so sensible about this. It's a two
way street, your unique viewpoint shows me another aspect of
life. I was aware of some, though not all of the entities
mentioned. I am now...
Hopefully, some other writers will contribute different
viewpoints.
I, also will ponder.
Thankyou.
Topic RE: Goetia posted by
fullofmanflu User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 08:48 PM
Hi Red Dragon, thanks for your comments-much appreciated. I
would like to say that I have NO desire to attempt a Goetic
operation at this stage or even to attempt ANY kind of evocation
(either to the astral or physical)-these kinds of operations are
for a far far more advanced student than myself! I am aware of
the information regarding the Goetic spirits as being 'Fallen
Angels' and that some of them do wish to return to heaven in a
few thousand years but, as I am sure you are aware, there is
other information that claims that many of the spirits are in
fact earlier Gods/Godesses, eg BAEL is claimed to be a form of
the Caananite God BAAL, ASTAROTH is claimed to be a form of the
Caananite Godess ASTARTE and so on. As to these entities being
'friendly', then there is a lot of information that clearly
states that a person is taking his/her life into their own hands
when performing an operation....however there is equal
information from people who regularly perform Goetic evocations
and they talk of SOME of these spirits being quite
friendly-MARBAS, VASAGOO and BAEL for example. I am pondering on
this. You are obviously an advanced practitioner Red Dragon and
I thank you for your time and your comments. These are the kind
of remarks and comments I was hoping for. Thank you.
Topic Goetia posted by Red
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posted on December 28, 2007 at 06:31 PM
Dear fellow Aspirant; Wow! I'm a Thelemite, our rule is to help
fellow aspirants, if able. As you're not a Thelemite, I could
wriggle out of it, but I've known a lot of'demons.' So let's get
this straight:You can treat these phenomena as purely
subjective, parts of your mind, whatever suits. I must say there
are many varieties of demon, Your reference to them being 'old
Gods' is probably due to the historical repetition: The
conquering race/religion declares the god of the conquered to be
'the devil', e.g. The Christians portrayed the goat legged
horned God of ancient Britain as 'the devil.'(as a Thelemite, I
don't believe in the devil, but am aware of demons.) As You
evolve, you will naturally confront many demons, they, together
with your subconcious 'hang ups' must be dealt with before
magick proper can begin. Thereafter, each time you attain unto a
new height, meeting an Angel, or God, you will have to deal with
the opposite thereof, the demon; Power cannot be destroyed, only
transmuted, I leave you to ponder on that. You personal demons
are like a bunch of wild animals, train them. As you look 'up'
to your idea of God, so they, your demons, should consider you
their 'god', and afford respect accordingly; train them, they
will bear you well. A vast subject, when exploring the Empyrean
(Astral realms) you will come across 'qlippothic'(hell
type)entities called shells. They are the cast off lower levels
of mans nature,the base, vile parts of humanity,sort of
automotans, which have a small amount of spiritual consciousness
left. An entirely different type of demon is the goetic demon;
they are the result of 'The Fall' they have been around for a
long time, and are not stupid, some hope to be reinstated in
Heaven, after, say, 1200 yrs. Each controls many thousands of
evil spirits.-- When a noted, much honoured Thelemite was
considering evoking the goetia, He wrote to his Guru, Her reply
was "For Heavans sake, NO!" probably having witnessed many more
total disasters than successful workings. You are a beginner,
hence my long attempt to explain the basics;hopefully others
will add comments. Finally, you talk of them being freinds. As
an Adept starts His/Her career, they aspire unto God, invoking
Him with trembling. With progress, 'Thy will be done,'
ultimately becomes, 'My will be done;' A high adept may be
friends with the Gods, as He will with certain demons, but this
is a high Adept we're considering. Perhaps, as a beginner, you
might like to consider good/evil; demons are evil. You will meet
them, in good time. I hope these vague ramblings are of some
value to you, concerning a vital part of one's spiritual
endeavour/health. Love and light.
Topic Goetic Spirits
posted by fullofmanflu User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 09:37 AM
I would be interested to hear from people with experience of
working the Goetia. I am on the very early footsteps of my path
and so have no experience what so ever of Goetic Spirits (and am
not likely to for a long time yet!) but my studies have led me
to conclude that the old tales of demonic forces is, at best, an
exageration, at least in some cases. I am inclined to believe
that the spirits are the Gods and entities of other earlier
cultures, once again, at least in some cases. In an earlier post
on a different
Topic on this forum, a writer (I forget who) said that he
thought of some of these spirits as his friends and this seems
to be a re-curring theme in a lot of the material that I have
read, ie that many (but perhaps not all??) of the Goetic Spirits
are in fact very friendly. I would be interested to hear from
people who have experience of the Goetia and the various Spirits
therein, with perhaps some light shedding comments.
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Topic Golden Dawn/Hermetic Tarot
posted by Arthur User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 04:32 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 01:51 PM
Greetings to All,
Can anyone recommend or comment on which Tarot closest
corresponds to the
Golden Dawn's orignal card descriptions and whether these are
followed by
the Hermetic deck (black and white) by G.Dowson or the Golden
Dawn deck by
R.Wang, I think both are out of print. Are these divinatory
decks or intended
for meditation ?
Thank You,
Arthur.
[Infoburst: Hi Arthur, Both packs are indeed out of print at the
moment. The Geoffrey Dowson Golden Dawn tarot was the first and
it was a limited edition. It was notable for being published
privately in the U.K. and in black and white line (the author
said that the GD insisted that the cards had to be hand
coloured). The Robert Wang Golden Dawn tarot was a professional
full-colour deck which came out a few years later and was quite
different (though just as technically accurate). Of course each
initiated was supposed to draw up his own version of the GD
tarot based on the order's teachings so no definitive GD Tarot
exists. Within the G.D. the tarot was used for meditational
purposes but the Dowson pack was of a size eminently suitable
for divination too. Marabas says that it was a courageous thing
for Dowson to finance his own tarot and the British market was
not ready for the first edition. A later mass-market edition
handled internationally sold better but was a bit too advanced
perhaps for the usual Tarot user. Hope this helps. BB Denise W.
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Topic RE: Golden Dawn Temple/sites/graves
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 09:05 PM
A.E. Waite died on the 19th of May 1943 and was buried in the
churchyard at Bishopsbourne in Kent. Cannot find any internet
photo of his grave,
anyone in that locale ?
No body or grave site has ever been located of MacGregor
Mathers, and there was no cause of death on his death
certificate. Died in November 1918, exact date disputed.
John William Brodie-Innes was loyal to Mathers throughout the
Golden Dawn
factionalising and died in 1923 (in Scotland ?) He was Freemason
so maybe the Temple was in a Masonic building ? Grand Lodge of
Scotland (George Street) may know ?
Re Boleskine, occasionally pops up in the Scottish Sunday
tabloids, owners
apparently do not appreciate anyone asking for a look around and
complain
about all the 'weirdos and goths' who hang around the house and
cemetery.
Re Crowley's ashes, as far as the popular account goes were sent
to 'followers
in America'...
Topic Golden Dawn Temple/sites/graves
posted by John User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 05:23 AM
I am curious as to what was the location of the Amen-Ra Temple
of the Golden
Dawn in Edinburgh formed by Brodie-Innes if anyone knows the
street address
or name of the building ?
On a similar(ish) note, where are the grave-sites of the
notables of the GD
such as Mathers, Waite, Brodie-Innes if indeed they were
interred ?
Any info on these or other related areas (Crowley's ashes ?
Anyone ever been
to Boleskine, etc ?) I'm interested to hear your
info/experiences.
Best, John.
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posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 10:44 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Hi all, Although most users will be aware of this facility I
know from one or two emails I have received recently that some
newcomers do not realise that they can Graze and Harvest
seamlessly right across the SAEF forum and the SA website
itself. That is, if you see anything you want to order from
recommendations in this forum just click on the links and use
the buy-now buttons there. The item/s will be added to your
'shopping basket'. Now you can continue to surf this forum,
Grazing and Harvesting the items you require using the links
given. Each time you go to an S.A. webpage and click on the
buy-now button whatever you fancy will be added to your
'shopping basket' then return to the forum etc., and continue
learning and acquiring. When you are ready just click on the
'check-out' button and your stored items will be carried
forward. You can even log on and off and then back on again
later in the day and your previously 'loaded' shopping basket
will still be there waiting for you so its possible to build a
'wish-list' in your shopping basket for use later. Of course you
can also delete items from your basket or otherwise edit as you
like and nothing is final until you actually hit that submit
order button so you can experiment all you like.
Keep in mind is that if you order any cyberbooks or instantly
downloaded items, for technical reasons these are collated in a
separate shopping basket so don't think your physical goods have
disappeared! They are just in another basket. You can keep both
shopping baskets on the go, automatically adding to each as you
move along. When you come to check out you should check out each
basket separately.
If anyone requires more background on how to use the S.A.
on-line ordering system or in fact any other clarification about
our website then ask away and I will try my best to advise. BB
Denise W.
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posted by U.V.Ray User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 08:28 AM
I think you mean Grimoires.
Some Grimoires have survived then passage of time so that they
become like magical reference books to be used like a cook book
is for cooking, Grimoires are used for magic spells and magic
ritual.
One may keep their own personal Grimoire - a record of magic we
have employed as reference book whereby we may keep a record of
our own magical workings.
Topic grimoriums posted by
pastlifwizard User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 12:21 AM
what are grimoriums?any internet page in which i can see them in
which they are explained?its true that in them are spells for
things that are not spells nowadays?
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Topic H.G.A.-Spirit Guides.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 04:36 AM
Greetings, fellow seeker. My personal, Thelemite structured
concept is that, The Holy Guardian Angel, is the inner, True
soul of man.It is the point of pure conciousness, A.K.A: The
higher self, The inner
self, Christ-self etc. A useful visualisation is of a star, your
conciousness, within, and a part of, infinite mind of
understanding.
I.E: As Thelemic Gods; Hadit; The male, point of conciousness,
as motion, entwined within The Godesess Nuit's embrace, as
matter, conjoined within sphere 6 of The Tree of Life, they
constitute 'One'
The H.G.A. I shall leave contemplation of Spirit Guides to
others.
Best wishes in your path, Brother/sister.
Topic Guardian Angel/Spirit Guide
posted by Seeking the Way User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:40 PM
Hi All,
What is the difference between the Holy Guardian Angel and a
Spirit-Guide
are they the same and are they higher parts of oneself ?
How can I communicate with my HGA or contact a spirit guide ?
Any and all
suggestions/theories would be most appreciated. Thanks and
blessings,
Seeking the Way
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Topic RE: Haunted ebay items.
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 10:13 AM
hiya
I will tell you the reason why I asked this question. Someone I
know bought a few of these haunted items, djinn, ghul, demon,
etc etc pieces such as rings, a silver spider, small lamp like
an arabian thing jewellery piece, plus a metal and black
skull..with hinged lid for incense, the eyes are like black
marble, and tongue is copper, it has silver small skulls round
face...apparently was used in a dark ritual before this person
bought this...
I never knew about the dark ritual until they were posted to me
as I said I would be interested in them, they were given me for
free. I have witnessed lights like an orb at corner of my
view..but other than that, oh, I seen a fly this happened
twice..it may sound daft but my windows were not open so it
could not have flown out, you see it happened on two seperate
nights, first night of day I got items and then night after. The
fly was no where to be seen after me seeing it, it never flew
out of room just vanished when it went past me.
But other than orb and that I have not seen what this person has
seen, such as six inch fly with demon head, and also a 3ft
male.. this all astral in imagery I suppose but this person said
they were very real looking. It is strange I was holding two
rings when fly just appeared...I asked what the person thought
the demon fly was attatched to, and the reply was the two rings
I was holding, and I never mentioned the name of the rings. But
the fly I seen was not six inch.
It could be they are haunted imbibed with demons or me being
more logical it could be that person linked their thoughts so
much to astral that it brought things through. Have to say
though the skull has a weird energy to it.
Topic Haunted ebay items.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Hi, I believe, personally, that it is entirely possible to imbue
metal with Djinn etc. Why on Earth, sell it? It would contain a
part of you, and your temple structure in it, a key to your
personal domain. Such foolishness by someone competent enough to
perform such Magick is unlikely, unless, it's a double bluff,
and
you're walking into a trap! Good luck.
Topic RE: haunted ebay items??
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:28 AM
they say they bind demons, djinns, etc to rings...just that some
say they have connected to their items they bought and have seen
things, but I dont know about all this.
Topic RE: haunted ebay items??
posted by JK User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:00 PM
By haunted most people would assume you mean a spirit of the
dead
I don't know if a spirit of that type would inhabit an object ?
Probably people advertising 'haunted' items are looking to
improve
their sales chances.
I wouldn't buy second hand psychic equipment as it would have
accumulated radiesthesic energies, and necessitate cleansing
which
would remove the energies. Looking at things like Root-magic
oils
and sigils I would say you could bind energies to objects-yes. -
JK
Topic RE: haunted ebay items??
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 06:28 PM
Also are there ways to find out if haunted items not just ebay
ones but others as well, such as a gift from someone who you
know is into the occult, and you want to find out if it has
embedded energy, etc.
Topic haunted ebay items??
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Anyone think these haunted items you see are all fakes or would
you say genuine...that this thing can be done, Djiin, or Demons
binded to a ring or whatever to bring the wearer what they want.
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Topic RE: RE:HELP: Communication.
posted by feeorin User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 06:21 PM
hi all,
thanks to u all for ur help it has been very much appreciated!
esp patti!, just a little re-assurance that i used ur suggestion
in the spirit it was meant, and i thought u would like to know
that it work beautifully!
sorry im a little late with this reply but my comp K.Oed on me
big time and only know i have it up and running once more!
once again thanks for all ur help!
feeorin xxx
Topic RE:HELP: Communication.
posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 10, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Red Dragon, Patti - We have got to stop meeting like this,
people will begin to talk! Look, I have the unenviable job of
refereeing this forum and Marabas gave me strict instructions
that apart from normal politeness and displays of friendliness I
was not to allow it to degenerate into another one of those
in-crowd forums where a clique is created which becomes so
personal as to swerve the context of the threads from leading
edge magical debates into pen-pal type correspondence. Apart
from diluting the threads it also invites conflict (you don't
want to know what I think of anyone who calls themselves a Reiki
Master!) By all means get together - we do hope a lot of
long-term contacts and friendships are made via the SAEF - but
you can pursue this on many other forums and webchat sites. If
you want to take personal correspondence further please ask your
correspondent/s to switch to one of those sites and help us keep
the contents of your threads on this forum clean and keen. Ta
muchly.
Topic RE: what are poppets &
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:49 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:01 PM
can they be used to attract love?
[INFOBURST: A Poppet is another name for an Image doll. Image
dolls are used in sympathetic magic to help, heal and hinder.
For more information and prices on image dolls go:
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Topic RE:HELP: Communication.
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 08:09 AM
HI Patti and Husband, Happy New Year, from Mike and lady.
Hmm, You have a little Red Dragon? I don't usually astrally scan
people, it seems an invasion of privacy,I gathered what sort of
person you are by intuition; some sort of link was made, now I
think of it, but I just think of it as 'normal'. As you've
invited me, with trust, to look at your red dragon; (astral
symbology, as i'm sure you know, is just that, symbols, your
hair may appear light and wavy, Astrally, in phisical;
short,brown, one then analises it.)
I see a Dragon, western style, standard type; shiny, like
varnished wood, on a table or short cabinet, It,s to the right
of a large window, with net curtains, aglow with light: To me
this means conciousness, that one is incarnate spirit, that one
is aware of prajna, yet thje light glows through a veil,(of
paraketh?) I see trough the eyes of the Dragon, A Lady, seated
on a couch,with a large Man.They sit at one end of the
couch,room for a guest,waiting, or kiddies perhaps, I only talk
of adults in open forums. Patti, you are exactly the sort of
person I would like to talk with at this point in my life; 'My'
Lady has reached a new level in spirituality, where She wants to
learn the ways of Wicca. I want to learn! Who better than you?
Your qualifications are very impressiv, but the'ego-label'
thing, yes,I undertand, I reckon, it's not the higher, or lower
self that starts problems, it's the damnable ego!
Destiny?The Dragon, (Love your 'magickal name for him; Luxera,
that means; light of Ra? Or Light of the era?.)
I wonder what you called into the Dragon?
I've been looking for someone like you. Destiny? I don't believe
in coincidence. Only cause and effect, there is much which
should not be revealed publicly. Problem; i tried to send an
email to you through the Forum, apparently, 'http server types
are no longer valid on this system' I've heard of this before,
so free email sevices are being phased out. I've read Forum
suggested policies, as trust is a vital element. I believe our
further communication very important. So, I have posted my email
address, I don't usually, but as I would be honoured to be your
friend, I have done so; for your system should work on http
systems, so I invite you to contact me directly, if you will.
What One imagines you would call your 'spirit Guide'said:"
(further) contact is confirmed, reaffmed."The sign for Taurus
appeared,then it smiled.Good.Later I pressed again, "yes, it
will be;" then a series of beautiful visions, horses galloping
across the desert, culminating in like an elongated
egg,blue,dark to light,many faceted;a precious gem.
So the ball is in your court, Patti. Will you email Me? I do
hope so. Happy new Year! Mike-Red Dragon.
Topic RE: HELP:Communication.
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 03:20 AM
Thank You for such a polite and frankly fascinating letter! I've
wanted to meet a true Wiccan for a while actually, I have no
knowledge of the subject at all, Perhaps we can exchange
knowledges? Well, i'm pushed for time right now, (You can call
me Mike if you like.)
I'll write again, soon! Mike.
Topic RE: RE:Banana posted
by Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 08:39 PM
Best93,
I am pretty sure I am not bananas but can accept the criticism
that perhaps my sense of humor is a little lacking these days.
:)
You don't need to think I am great... just attack my
beliefs/advice please and leave personal traits to everyone to
decide for themselves. I am a big girl and can accept that not
everyone is going to like, "get", and/or agree with my views.
If I misunderstood the "reader beware" message, my apologies.
Although my comments may not be dripping with humor, my
advice/comments come from my heart and are not meant to hurt or
mislead anyone.
But please keep commenting...boards are more interesting with
spicy people like you.
Patti
Topic RE: HELP: Psychic vampirism.
posted by Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 08:14 PM
Red,
Surgery is coming along-thank you so much for asking; Deepak
Chopra teaches that sound and scent can assist in healing. So as
soon as I was transferred to a room, my husband set up a little
altar with a patent, crystals, and an "Avalon Stone" with a bowl
of cut lime, lemon, and fresh orange. I listened to "the Healing
Project" CDs and Reiki CDs. I feel it really gave me a jump
start to recovery as I am doing pretty OK.
Surgery was not due to a banana incident! :) LOL You are so
funny!
I don't proclaim to be evolved, but good-hearted/intended Wiccan
female you pegged! Yes; I am an ordained HPS; I am also a Reiki
Master (there is the healing) and I have been certified in
Hypnotherapy. I have years of education and experience that I
wear proudly, but usually do not disclose-ego is not my thing.
Through my experiences and own writings, in certain circles I am
considered adept, though I certainly do not claim that title for
myself. There is always so much more to learn.
You are right again; I did break my own principal when I offered
up the poppet suggestion. But years ago, I had been a victim of
a very ugly magickal attack and feeoin's plight brought back
those dark feelings; mostly of discomfort and urgency.
I know you are right yet again: "not everyone is nice"... but I
like to believe people have noble intentions until I find out
otherwise... so much for wisdom, huh? Goddess Bless the Warrior
in us all!
Red Dragon, huh? I have a beautiful red dragon (whom I have
given gifts to) in my home... can you see where? Shall I whisper
a blessing for you to him? Is it destiny we've met? ;)
Thank you for your kind wishes for 2008. It would be my
privilege to call you a friend. Contact me directly anytime; I
would love to hear more about your path.
Topic RE: HELP: Psychic vampirism.
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 05:12 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Errata: My writings are obstruse,( Yet I'm being offered
prestigious editorial position, by the Adeptii that construct
the modern day new rituals!)
I wrote of an unpleasant type of entity, in an unclear fashion.
I meant, that it may well be useful to view Brother Marabus's
stock of knowledge concerning psycic self defence, a most
important subject, even the advanced practitioner, with an open
mind, can learn fresh tips, new angles.
With HUGE best wishes for a fruitful and Happy 2008 to One and
All!
Red.(LVX.)
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Audio Lectures on Techniques of Psychic Self Defence and Magical
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Topic RE: HELP: Psychic vampirism.
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 04:49 PM
Hi Patti,
Hope you're coping with your surgery ordeal in a balanced
fashion, it wasn't due to a banana related mishap, perchance?
Really, I missed that posting. Any road up, from my humble
perspective, i read the 'help' thread, and was struck by; An
evolved spirit, good hearted, wiccan, female. Well formed
knowledge,(Priestess?) Adept in the arts, has she attained unto
unity with her inner soul; become as full Adeptus minor?Maybe
not, yet I sense you are able to 'tune in' to that inner nature,
with ease. I read of feeorin,
a man moaning about a persistant banana, how he'd used all magic
he knew, now exhausted, seeks power from another.
I saw him psychically; Regardless, why is this woman in his
life? Are we to believe that he is whiter than white, and that
he is under 'irrational attack,'or is it possible he used and
abused this woman, now wants to get his jollies elsewhere? Why
am i so cynical?
In My personal morality, I don't use magick against 'ordinarys';
seems like using a gun on a child with a stick. Personally. He's
exhausted, so rather than meditate etc. becoming charged with
the holy light of God, he seeks a human to 'power him up. (N.B.
The second astral entity i discovered: a vampire, i was a kid,
only just learning psychic self defense, Fr. Marabus has the
knowledge available, to learn psychic self defence.'It' is
damned/light of God causes pain, but by ejecting a strong young
soul from his physical body, he can feed on the transmuted
force; now human power.) Back to Feeorin, no light of God? Asks
for power, not explaining why,really. So you advise 'poppets, in
as good away as possible, but you never the less broke one of
your principles. You have a good heart, I would be honoured to
be your friend.There are too few of you around,maybe you're a
healer type, I,m a warrior type, clearing the important paths of
obstacles. SO! That was that, never happy with my writings, I
hope you got the gist, be careful,please, you're 'nice', a lot
of occultists are not, it's all a part of the grand design. May
I wish you a fruitful,(bananaless) 2008, Brimming with Light,
Life, Love and Feedom! Red.
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted
by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 04:49 AM
Hi Patti, been in Arizona for...? Not phisically. Surgery? Weird
stuff, the ambulances, blood, the morphine drenched halls of the
near dead,I'm pure Geburah Warrior/Avenging angel type; Lots of
surgery. Just woke up in an armchair,I wouldn't have written if
I didn't care, Patti, will write properly when i wake up,
(Anyone got any food on board?) love, Red.
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Topic RE:Banana posted by
Anonymous User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 03:15 AM
Hi Patti, I'm back! Look! Don't wish you any harm at all.I
thought banana was funny because a forum always is (lol). Don't
take it personally: I think you are great.But are you bananas or
not?
Best93
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted
by Patti User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 04:24 PM
Red Dragon,
Just back from surgery; sorry for the delay in response. Got
your apology; everyone makes mistakes and I hope this board is
tolerant of those who do. I really don't mind being criticized
or poked fun at, so keep annoying, checking or whatever-if I am
a spade today, perhaps a heart tomorrow (lol). DO NOT GO AWAY!
And if you are my banana, perhaps you will see that I can have a
sense of humor when warranted. ¿
A word about casting; most people do not think of poppets when
trying to work something that is not "dark" in one way or
another. I say it can be done. But not so much for compassion,
but for choice to reap rewards without backlash. Although, I
have never known a teaspoon of compassion to hurt anyone. :)
feeorin xxx, Best of luck to remove your obstacle! Please let us
know how things work out.
I wish every Wiccan and Pagan a wonderful New Wheel!
Patti
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted
by Red dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 01:20 AM
"I do not usually..." ( compassion is the vice of kings?)
On the whole Patti, Is that a spade I see before me, dig?
Love, light, life and liberty to thee and thine.
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted
by feeorin User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 09:33 PM
hi patti,
thanks for ur help! ive have used poppets in the past, but never
for this situation, so ur suggestion is very welcome!
the thing u said about my 'chart' maybe my chart could be
finding the right route to deal with the problem and the lesson
learnt is the path i took to solve it! like putting it on this
forum maybe or maybe u could be right! i try not to inflict ill
on others, and do not wish to inflict harm on this women either
i just want her out of my life, hence why ive tried things like
freezing her out of my life! i just dont want her in it any
longer!
once again thanks for ur help, it is appreciated!
feeorin xxx
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted
by Patti User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 06:46 PM
edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM
OK... I do not usually recommend that anyone performs
"manipulative" magic, but there are two things I could
recommend.
The 1st option would be using poppets; one represents you and
one represents this other person. TO AVOID CREATING BAD KARMA,
you would want to wish this person well/good health but that
they find a different focus-something more productive than
bother you. Make sure when you start, the poppets are
joined-then by cutting the string, you are acting out a
situation symbolic of separation. But it is my belief that after
the Ritual, you must care for the poppet of the other person
(put it in plastic to keep it from harm) and store it some place
safe. Stuff it with non-poisonous well intended herbs for
excellent health (both physical and mental) and beauty-for self
esteem issues.
If this is above your ability, there is the 7 Dime spell, but
consequences can arise... what are you willing to give?
*** Another thought*** This person may be part of your "chart".
Perhaps they are in your life for you to learn from this
experience and they will not be removed until "your lesson" is
met, dealt with to your highest benefit, and then you may both
move on in a positive way. But I strongly recommend you first
meditate on this before taking further action. Messing with your
chart would be a mistake, you will only have to deal with this
again later. I am offering the above to be used in light... I
hope you accept it under the terms it is offered and that this
information helps you to find learning and comfort from this
ugly situation.
Love and Light,
Patti
[INFOBURST: There's a much simpler way - Use Stay Away Magical
Oil B633 For actual cases on how well this can work see
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm
To order it go
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/incenses.htm For Wax Image
Dolls/Poppets goto
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm and scroll
down to Image Dolls]
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted
by feeorin User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:35 PM
hi there,
i can see ur point aboutme being half hearted from
exhaustion.... in fairness this situation has gone on for 5
years now!
but i can promise you i most definately not a situation i want
to remain in, on any level! although i can easierly see how some
ppl might, as they may well enjoy the battle on some level, but
trust me when i say i do not!
my only reason for even tolerating this women in the past has
now been taken away! so now with nothing to lose, im at a loss
as to how to lose her for good!
thanks feeorin xxxx
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted
by pejay User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Perhaps that is your problem - you are too 'exhausted' to
properly assert your true will and being pulled into a vacuum of
half-heartedness and self-deception? Alternatively, you may
subconsciously want the situation to remain as it is but not yet
be able to comprehend this just yet on a mundane level?
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted
by feeorin User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:17 PM
hi there,
i have asserted myself.... put my point my across so many times!
im exhausted!!!!
Topic RE: HELP!!! posted
by pejay User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:14 PM
Simple just assert yourself properly.
Topic HELP!!! posted by
feeorin User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 08:21 PM
hi there,
to the point: how do i remove ppl out of my life, this women is
driving me insane, magically... ive frozen her in my freezer,
ive bottled her!, ive buried her, my fiancee has cast ruins on
her.... ive even done mundane things like tell her to leave me
alone! seriously this women and persistant have no difference in
them! short of moving to another country this women just has no
bounds! seriously what have missed. ive used personal item
association thing! still shes there... were stumped! shes not
even magical orientated! anything has got better than this!
thanks feeorin xxx
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Topic Hereditary Witchcraft book sold by SA
posted by JK User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 09:56 AM
Dear SA,
I must be getting old ! I bought a book from you back around
1990
on Hereditary Witchcraft and can't remember the title or author.
I haven't a clue where it ended up and was wondering if you know
which one it was. It had a very striking cover: Blood red dust
jacket with beautiful black design of foliage around a skull...?
Best regards, JK
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Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man
for sex?? posted by Paul User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 07:46 AM
There is something you may have missed. A little lesson that may
help you to change your self-perspective...
Ask yourself exactly what it was that made you feel inadequate?
Analyse yourself, the situation and also why it is you want this
man. There is no right and wrong answer, it is all individual.
This is a large part of the path of self-knowledge.
Certainly - as I know only too well (!) - when I am being
insulted, it is hard not to be defensive or to attack back! But
both reactions may prevent me from analysing myself consciously
and discovering who I really am...
Just a thought that may be of use or disagarded as you see fit
:)
Regards
Paul
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man
for sex?? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 04:19 PM
Yep. You nailed it Lisa. Youll find alot of people put
themselves on a wobbly peddle-stall. The key is how they make
you feel. Would you get driving lessons from a driving
instructor that made you feel inadequate. My girlfriend and I
have just brought a book on Western Sex Magick and we have
started practicing the exercises. It does take awhile but for us
its about the journey. But you dont need a partner to start
Tantric exercises just grab a book from the booklist.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man
for sex?? posted by Lisa User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Thanks for replying to me.......why do you say he is a weirdo?
you mean for boasting about his tantric experiences......but
then telling me "it takes years of study" and making me feel
like I cannot do it.......because he thinks he's such an expert?
Please explain as you clearly know what you are talking about.
BB. Lisa x
Topic HELP ! How can I attract this man for
sex?? posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 08:01 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:33 AM
He sounds, to me, like a bit of wierdo Lisa. If you want to
learn Tantra then take your Destiny in your own hands, buy a
book, and start practicing.
You can follow this link for Sex or Love spells for an instant
mp3 download.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lovemag.htm
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man
for sex?? posted by Lisa User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:44 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:31 AM
it is PURELY physical.......for he has walked the left hand path
and has enjoyed tantric sex......but refuses to teach me,
because he says it takes years of practice and he has now moved
on and doesn't practice any longer.........
[Infoburst: He's bullshitting you Lisa - but at least he's not
taking advantage of your gullibility. You need in-depth advice
and most probably an I-ching reading as well. Write to Marabas
at fratermarabasATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk. Remember that
people's opinions on this forum are just that - they are not
definitive and do not speak for Marabas. If you want a full and
proper answer get in touch direct.]
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man
for sex?? posted by Gierran User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Well, I've heard it said that simply being loving,
compassionate, empathic etc. is the highest form of love magick.
What is the nature of your emotional bond with this guy; how
strong an inner connection do you feel with him? Or is the
attraction primarily physical? You don't have to answer all
this; but they might be provocative questions to ask yourself...
Topic Get that Man! posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 09:47 PM
Hi Lisa,
I wonder, maybe a hang up? Myself, I was a Grammer school boy,
when it came time, down the local, for rebel types, (O.K. middle
class, but rebels!) I'd meet a girl, my reaction:-"Duuuh, you're
a girl, er, right, er, um. Nice meeting mumble.
I did not know what to do! Grab Him! Boost His confidence, if
this is the problem, Happy Hunting!
888
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man
for sex?? posted by Janet K User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 08:36 PM
Hello Lisa
If you go onto the SA's shop Site (see links on the forum) you
will find literally hundreds of products, spells and potions,
tips and cassettes that will provide you with the tools to
seduce your man.
Check it out and good luck (let us know what happens, eh?)
Topic RE: HELP ! How can I attract this man
for sex?? posted by Paul User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 01:26 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 05:12 PM
Why not try what Church of Satan call Lesser Magic. Make
yourself more alluring, seductive etc. Change yourself to become
what he desires. I suggest you read and employ some of the
techniques in The Satanic Witch by Anton LaVey.
Just a thought. :)
[Infoburst: It's more than a thought Paul, Marabas teaches that
you should never ask the gods to do for you what you can do
yourself more easily than they. Thus Lisa's first port of call
would be a Wonderbra and a short skirt (I am not being
fascetious). Lisa is looking outwards instead of inwards. Then
she can supplement her natural magic with results magic. She
needs to unlock and empower her feminine wiles first but I am
not going to enter into all that metaphorical symbolism about
locks and keys!. ;-) BB Denise W.
Topic HELP ! How can I attract this man for
sex?? posted by Lisa User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:12 AM
This gentleman likes me but isn't making any moves.......how can
I magically attract him for sex?? Tried asking him out....he
said no.
Is there a relatively simple spell I might employ?
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Topic RE: Magick Oils
posted by Baffled chap User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 10:08 AM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 02:07 PM
Oh please! Do not compare yourself with Denise or the SA! I have
read your comments about dead animals and table dancing etc and
also your threats to people who rattle your cage with their
comments whether thay are justified or not! And you dare to call
me a bore because I tried oil for a specific purpose. Ever
wondered how people view you? Maybe lots of us read and chuckle
or juat label you as a nutty old woman but aren't as rude or
egotistic as you to pass petty comments. You did not pass
comment on the lady that asked about snow queen. Does that make
her a loose woman? Each to their own. Now please keep your
comments to yourself as they serve no purpose and I don't have
the time to waste on this.
[Infoburst: Now, now Baffled Chap, the question you have to ask
yourself is this: Would you be speaking to AnnB that way if she
were a Pamela Anderson look alike? When he was twenty, one of
the world's most powerful and leading-edge shamans (Austin
Spare) was entranced and englamoured by an aged Witch about whom
Spare was besotted. You have yet to meet your Mrs Pattison so I
would caution you not to burn your boats! The gods are still at
work here and you are on a severe learning curve. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Magick Oils
posted by AnnB User
posted on January 08, 2009 at 09:25 AM
I do not snipe at genuine people if you bother to read anything
possible have alwaysntriednto help young people who are true
believers That is what people such as Denise and myself in a
small way try to do I really hope you do have true faith now Ive
finishing sniping.
Topic RE: Magick Oils
posted by Baffled chap User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 11:01 PM
So I forgot to fill the name bit out, get over it! I have seen
you slate quite a few people off but you get quite rattled when
people have a pop at you. This is a forum to share and discuss
which is what I did. All you do is snipe, please don't reply to
me again unless you have something constructive to say and not
insults as you did earlier.
Topic Magick Oils posted
by AnnB User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Back to anonymous I see very weird
Topic RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 05:07 PM
You don't know me so don't judge me. The lady and I get on well
and I purchased something to take things to the next step. That
is why the sa supply things like these oils because there is a
need.
Topic RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???
posted by AnnB User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 03:50 PM
Im sorry poor old baffled chap but your charm doesnt seem to be
working very well does it perhaps a little bit of softly softly
perhaps recognising her as a woman andnot an object Believe me
in the 60s I was never a feminist but you cant wonder at them
when coming up against testerone man can you. All baffled chaps
need to use your brains and not brawn Im sorry but I really cant
take you seriously have you a notched bed post or belt. Dont
think ofme as a daffy old dear Ive had my moments but the pushy
sort(oh yes they were around in the prehistoric era) always
bored me and my friends
Topic RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???
posted by Baffled chap User
posted on January 07, 2009 at 02:09 PM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 01:56 PM
Hi, I was looking simply for sex with someone I have known and
fancied for a while but used Ruthvah to help for that purpose.
We hang out a bit but I wanted to expand the friendship to a
casual sex thing as well. I don't want love with the woman so
thought this would be the best option. A funny thing happened
with someone else though. A few days later someone who I knew a
while back but had not had a relationship or sex with with
contacted me after not hearing from her for 3 or 4 months and
seems to really have the hots for me. I had forgot about her but
she has made it clear she wants sex. Is it connected I wonder.
Seems a bit odd if not but I don't fancy her! lol
[Infoburst: It seems to me that the gods are trying to educate
you. Marabas teaches that Magick is a continual process which
demands that the operator evolves and changes just as much as
his/her target. There is always a price to pay in the return of
energies. This is not a moral restriction but a technical one.
The gods give you what you want (the 2nd lady who turned up for
sex) whilst denying you the first lady in an attempt to cause
introspection about your own needs, motivations and ideals. BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???
posted by Baffled chap User
posted on December 29, 2008 at 12:35 PM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 09:55 AM
I have tried again wearing it in the presense of the same lady
but she has made it clear that she is not interested in anything
apart from friendship but I was only after a sexual liason with
her though I never told her that! We are both single but she is
a tough nut to crack or does this work over a period of time
rather than on the day it is worn?
[Infoburst: The phrase 'round pegs in square holes ' comes to
mind. When working magic one has to choose the right application
for each outcome.
Ruthvah is an attraction oil par excellence and by repute
attracts females to men who wear it. Any female within the
immediate vicinity of a person wearing Ruthvah will, according
to tradition, be more open to advances and find the wearer more
attractive on a sexual / subconscious level. One wouldn't use
Ruthvah for love-magick, one would use
Marabas's Spellkit For Love's Desire for that.
However your outcomes and ideas are unformed and fall between
those two things. You just want casual sex (which isn't too hard
to come by these days I hear) but contrarily you don't want just
anyone for sex. So what do you want? Do you want this particular
woman because she means something more to you? If so then why
are you frightened of a relationship? The outcome is likely to
be that you have such a high opinion of yourself that you only
want 'the best'. This is a form of greed and, of course, will be
easily seen through by the lady in question so quite rightly she
will not play. There is nothing Ruthvah can do magically to
overcome your own lack of sensitivity - though it has brought
you here to be enlightened! BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???
posted by Baffled chap User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 06:29 PM
edited on December 29, 2008 at 05:58 AM
My question is has anyone tried Ruthvah? I used it a few weeks
ago on a night out and made my move on a woman I had been
chatting to all night but did not get the desired effect. I
thought it worked on any woman but this one did not want to
know. Anyone got a theory on why that may be? I applied it
before going out so was wearing it for 4 or 5 hours.
[Infoburst: Your comments are somewhat contradictory. You spent
most of the night chatting to the lady. Seems like Ruthvah did
its job okay to me. BB Denise W )
Topic RE: I agree with the previous 2
entries..... posted by ruby x User
posted on December 01, 2008 at 05:01 PM
so Ali....hi! how did your rituals go with the magickal oils??
Did you have some success? Do write and let other followers
know!!
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Topic RE: I agree with the previous 2
entries..... posted by Ali User
posted on November 12, 2008 at 03:38 PM
edited on November 14, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Well said, Hannah!
I am very new to S.A. but am aware of it through a very close
friend. I wanted to make some changes in my life and
they recommended I bought some magical oils.
Within hours of thinking 'yes, I will purchace some', I was
already getting results! After sending off my request to S.A. I
had other things happen! Now my oils have arrived and I intend
to use them as part of a full moon ritual tomorrow. I can only
imagine the effect they will have from then onwards! I will let
you know what happens.
Ali
Topic I agree with the previous 2
entries..... posted by Hannah User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:20 AM
It is NOT the S.A's fault, or anyone elses, if your spells/oils
fail to bring about the results you desire. Maybe the results
you wanted is just not meant to be for you?
If you have a genuine Q or problem contact Denise and she can
advise you further and also, please use a name.
Topic Magick Oils posted
by AnnB User
posted on September 14, 2008 at 05:55 PM
edited on September 16, 2008 at 02:42 PM
Im sorry that the forum is having trouble with Anonymous this is
obviously a person who is playing at being silly, but what goes
around comes around so let them play their silly games.
Silly but ltimately can reverse.
Otherwise perhaps they are so simple that the use of oils is a
hard thing for them to command.
Topic RE: Magickal Personality
posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 08:56 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:45 PM
How long should oils take to work? I have been using them for 4
months with no results at all!
[Infoburst: I think it is becoming clear to other forum users
that this particular 'anonymous' is trying to show the S.A. in a
bad light because of some conflict, imagined or otherwise; so
here's a message for you 'anonymous'. Although we hold to our
promises and we don't know who you are we do know your machine
number and it would be the easiest thing in the world to ban you
from the forum for good. If you have a problem then get in touch
with me at my email address, otherwise stop playing silly games
or you will be kicked out. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Magickal Personality
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 06:31 PM
edited on September 05, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Are we talking Love or Sex here Ruby. Lol, lets go with the
latter. Yep
Snow Queen is the one for driving us Men under your command. The
periapt is some words, for you to say, to help the spell along.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
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posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:31 PM
what is a periapt??
Topic RE: Magickal Personality
posted by FOR RICENPEAS User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:29 PM
your answer is brill.......really well thought out, so please
may i ask you, which oil would you use if you wanted to attract
a specific man to fall in love with you?? which is what i wish
to do.........or at least, have sex with me anyway!!
many Thnaks, Ruby xxx
Topic Magickal Personality
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 29, 2008 at 08:03 PM
OK Anon. Lets try to model it this way.
A personality is a set of characteristics. We can display
different sets of charateristics dependeing our mood or
enviroment, so we could say that each of us has more than 1
personality. For exsample, if you are late for work you display
1 personality, but, at the end of the day when your havin a
quiet pint you show another. We can go further and say that our
enviroment is also made up personalities, for example, the wind
displays a different set of charateristics to fire, the earth
has different qualities to water.
Using Shamanism, Ritual Magick, Meditation or a mixture of all 3
we become aware of how all these personalities interact and we
become free to develope and use them because of this. Its a
rough model but im sure you get the point. How i use the
personality oil is personal, but i acn assure you its not for
improving my charisma.
Lol :)
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Enhancing your experiance with oils
posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM
why would you need to develop your personality?? unless you feel
you don't actually have one??????
Topic RE: Oils posted by
Maz User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Gierran; I understand what you are saying but I do want him
back. But when something or someone has hurt you its hard to
forget that and i am angry about what he did but that dose not
stop me wanting him still. what i am asking is if the oils will
still work with the way i feel?
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Topic RE: Oils posted by
Gierran User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 03:15 AM
Maz--you might want to become clear on whether you truly want
your ex back or not. Sounds like you have some seriously
conflicting emotions about this; and emotions being a form of
energy, you wouldn't want them working at cross-purposes, in
ordinary or magical contexts. Just my two units of currency;
make of them what you will...
Topic RE: Oils posted by
Maz User
posted on August 08, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I am looking to use some love oils, maybe come back or love and
respect or both. I want my ex back but I get angry when I think
of how he hurt me. Will the oils still work or will my anger and
hurt course problems with it working as well? Can any of you
help with this please? How long will it take to work?
Topic RE: Oils posted by
Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 04:25 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:35 AM
Hi Anne, I can see 2 reasons why spells may "rebound". Bad
analysis of our selves/situation and badly constucted
spells/rituals which I would put under the heading "Sloppy
Magick". You are definatly right to advise new comers to follow
Marabas s instructions on using oils and I found the
"Incense, Oil and Powder Magic" audio a great help in deciding
which oil is right for my situation and how to apply. It also
teaches a well constructed Master ritual which can be safley
adapted to suit. ;)
Ricenpeas
Topic Speaking of magical oils...
posted by Karen User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 02:09 AM
edited on November 14, 2008 at 01:45 PM
...I'm afraid something's happened to the 'full-range' magical
oils page on the SA website, the one at
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/incenses.htm . When I try
to get into this page, it bumps me straight back to
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/magoils.htm immediately. I
know this is actually a website/technical question; but I was
wondering if the S.A. website folks were aware of this...
[Infoburst: Sorry about that Karen - they were working on that
page when you tried to access it - the above link should be okay
now. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Oils posted by
Anonymous User
posted on July 21, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Do you find it takes long to get your results and how many
applications do you apply?
Topic Oils posted by annB
User
posted on July 21, 2008 at 04:07 PM
Have always had good results with oils and am always guided by
Marabas guidelines and the use of prayer
as it is easy for the spell to rebound and boy then are you in
bother
as you can tell I am a little hyper my morphine patch has just
hit the spot change it once a week so will calm down shortly
Topic RE: Enhancing your experiance with oils
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Put it out of your mind best you can and let the spell do its
job. i work with the idea that im either casting a spell or im
not. Anything inbetween can just confuse things. :)
Topic RE: Enhancing your experiance with oils
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 09:06 PM
Hi Ricenpeas. I only has the chance to apply the oil on to the
person I want to affect on one occasion and do not come into
contact with them now so will this be strong enough to give me
my result in you opinion? It was about 3 weeks ago I used it. Do
I need to continually see my result in my minds eye or put it
out of my mind and wait for my result?
Topic Enhancing your experiance with oils
posted by RicenpeaS User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 06:45 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:31 AM
Phidelma...Speaking as a Man there is nothing more attractive
than a Woman that knows shes a Woman. We all know the
importantance attraction plays in our work, social and private
relationships and by appying
Snow Queen you can get the edge by boosting your Womanly ways.
It comes with instructions to tell you how to "ACTUALY" use it
so dont threat, but please, on behalf of all men I have to say
"Dont be shy. Use it".
ricenpeas the sleaze
Anonymous Re. other oils n how long
Ive been using
conscentration and personality developing oil for 6 or 7 weeks
now with very definate results. The conscentration oil has
enhanced the clarity in my thinking, and i often see the
solution before the problem. It has most definatly contributed
to slowing down my hyperactivity and a dash is as good as 20
mins meditation if needs must. The personality developing oil
has also proved very effective though the results are a little
personal so... The important thing i have found in applying oils
is my intent. What do i want to achive. The clearer this is in
my minds eye the quicker and easier the results follow. Every
time I apply the oil I reinforce my intent (you can use chants,
sigils a little poem, prayer)and then let the oil do the work.
The more I do this the stronger the effect.
Hope that helped
RicenPeas
Topic HAS ANYONE TRIED "SNOW QUEEN"???
posted by Phidelma User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:05 PM
WHAT DID YOU EXPERIENCE? HOW DID YOU ACTUALLY USE IT??
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Topic Magical oils/strategic uses
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 03:49 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Frater Marabas recommends in his writings applying magical oils
regularly over time to build up the effect, also it would depend
on how much 'resistance' or strain upon the order of the
Universe
you are attempting. I would always suggest if working with
Marabas'
oils to read the
'Root magic guide' or / and
'Marabas Says' first as they
will explain applications and strategies for best effect. An
example coming to mind might be using an oil or powder to get
someone to stay away or move away, if you just strew on the
front
door they might start using the back door, etc. I once tried to
target two persons by putting a subject link from each in ONE
bottle
of oil and there was no effect. I then used another bottle of
oil but split it into TWO bottles and put subject links
individually in each and almost straight away there were
results.
Topic RE: Root magic oil worked for me
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 02:20 PM
Has anyone tried any of the other oils and if so how long did
they take to work?
Topic Root magic oil worked for me
posted by John W User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 01:24 AM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 09:26 AM
I had a lot of problems going on in my life some time ago
and it was taking its toll on my personal relationship.
I decided to try
'Love & Sex' oil, and at first I didn't
think there was any effect, but after a couple of weeks
of applying the oil here and there in many inventive ways
my love life had improved no end, sex was better than ever
and the other problems which had been leaving no room for
intimacy also sorted themselves out. I then downloaded the
Root magic guide for more ideas. Very impressed !!!
John W
HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK?? posted by Zara P. User
posted on February 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM
Has anyone experienced results with any of these oils?
How do they bring about your heart's desire?
Topic anyone tried "SNOW QUEEN" ??
posted by Zara P. User
posted on April 05, 2008 at 04:45 PM
magical oils? If so, What happened??
Topic RE: HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK??
posted by Zara P User
posted on March 14, 2008 at 02:19 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:37 AM
"ETHERICSOUL", thank you VERY VERY much for your excellent
answer.
I want to attract a specific man to desire me & become close
friends with me. I do not have the slightest clue how to go
about this. I don't really know how to visualise properly. What
would you advise?
The man in question likes me but is too shy to make a move.
Grateful for any help you could offer.
Sincerely and Many Blessings to you,
Zara x.
[Infoburst: The best oil for this Zara would be Snow Queen P146
from the S.A. because it is an attraction oil par excellence and
comes complete with a very ancient periapt which you just modify
slightly to suit who you want to englamour - then go to it.
You can see more about it and its effects as well as order it on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK??
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 10, 2008 at 01:06 PM
hi
The oils have correspondences so whilst you may think you are
just wearing them, they are effecting the astral level which is
where everything is to begin with before it comes down into
material (Malkuth) level. You also attune your mind and energy
by way of focus, as like attracts like, but it is also in the
workings of synchronicity.
I feel they work along the same lines as, say, a talisman would
do, but they I feel are more powerful because they are on a
higher level somewhat vibrating, not only that but the smell
attunes your mind and psychic energy as well. You would only use
a minute amount, and also would come at the magic or the intent
of the situation from more than one angle; wear it, annoint a
candle, put it on target person or image of what you want, etc,
etc.
I have tried them and they do work, and they are not like others
that you come across which are lacking in occult energy and
power. One thing with all magick you need to act as if you
already have what you want, the outcome being fulfilled, etc.
Never do magick half heartedly thinking will it work, as this
blocks the flow and can work against you. The thing with all
magick is that you can use many techniques, pathworking put a
bit of the oil in a burner, and choose a pathworking that has
the correspondences to attract what you seek, colour, god or
goddess, numbers, astrology, tarot, etc.
I did a basic ritual once, I was in need of money. I relaxed,
focused energy coming up from base chakra, into my hands,
feeling the power become stronger. At first though I was sending
energy down into core of earth then started pulling it up when
it reached a level the heat was strong the energy that is, and
then as I was focusing on a statue of a the virgin mary (it was
the only thing I had at that time) and with focus on lit
candles, I sent out the intent. This was a very basic self made
ritual, but it worked, next day I got a cheque from the housing
for £200...I do not to this day know why it was sent as there
was no letter explaining, and I was up to date with rent but not
them owing me. The only thing I can think about, was 9 months
before they did some renovation work, they ripped my shower out
but would not compensate me because they said it was not to
their standards, more than their jobsworth to just put in a
small switch. It is sorted now. But they would not compensate
for me having to rip flooring up or the shower. I had four head
people tell me this, and so I had no leg to stand on. But then I
get that cheque 9 months to a year later; was it the magic, well
I think it was. Find your own unique way of doing magick it is
more powerful, but always look to methods that get you the
results, intent, focus, energy, etc.
Topic HOW DO MAGICAL OILS WORK??
posted by Zara P. User
posted on February 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM
Has anyone experienced results with any of these oils?
How do they bring about your heart's desire?
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Topic I-Ching guide...
posted by John W User
posted on August 09, 2008 at 09:18 AM
My I-Ching guide is fine, must be an small error in an earlier
edition as Denise says, Have to say though that this little
guide
is A+++++. I was always put off by the I-Ching as too austere
but
it's actually easy peasy when you read Marabas's guide as an
intro.
As has been said earlier though, just put in some time with the
language in Wilhelm. I became an I-Ching addict for a while and
bought a pile of 'new (un)improved versions' but none were a
patch
on Wilhelm's and have since become recycled. And those Chinese
coins
are thee bizniss !
Best to all,
John.
Topic Wilhelm/I-Ching guide: Hexagram
differences posted by Alex User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 01:28 PM
edited on August 07, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Hi, just my Tuppence worth,
Quick check between Wilhelm and Frater Marabas's guide,
differences are below:
Marabas has 39 (Obstruction) and 56 (Wanderer) in each others
place. Text is fine, but hexagram illustrations are wrong.
Marabas hexagram 64 (Before Completion)text is right but
hexagram
is a repeat of hex. 30 (Clinging).
Should be easily corrected in future printings. All other Hex's
are
A-OK.
Alex.
[Infoburst: Hi Alex, it looks like for some reason you have an
old printed version of the Instant I-Ching. If you let me have
your email address and your details (email me at
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk)I will arrange to
have a corrected version sent to you. Same goes for Anonymous.
BB Denise W. ]
Marabas's 'Instant I-Ching ' now available for immediate
download here; http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/books1.htm
(Scroll down to Frater Marabas's Instant I-Ching)
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations
posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 12:56 PM
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you Denise, my Instant
I-Ching by Marabas shows hexagram 56, The Wanderer on page 17 IS
different to that in my Wilhelm translation where the Wanderer
(still hexagram no. 56) is on page 216
The judgement is the same but the top trigram is different in
each book. I did double check before adding my listing and again
before replying to your response.
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations
posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 02, 2008 at 11:52 AM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:01 PM
I have both the Wilhelm book of changes and Marabas's primer but
I have noticed some of the hexagrams are different, I dont know
how many but I did a cast recently and noticed that no. 56, The
Wanderer are different in each book. Has anyone else noticed
this mistake or if any of the other hexagrams are different too?
The hexagram in the book of changes for The Wanderer is given as
Obstruction in M's primer. I'm sure its just a simple error but
could make a huge difference to your casts. I will email the SA
and let them know but thought it was best to pop this on here
just to let you all know. This is not a criticism towards M or
the SA in any way.
[Infoburst: There is nothing wrong. You have become confused
with the tables included in the Wilhelm Baynes Translation. You
are probably comparing the Index of The Hexagrams (which is
listed by number in order of numerical ascendance - i.e. as each
hexagram is built bottom upwards )with the actual hexagram
numbers given in the text. The actual hexagram numbers are
derived from the Table or Key following the General Index in the
book and are constructed from the 8 individual trigrams which
make up the 64 hexagrams. This is actually shown on the Index of
the Hexagrams but ambiguously. If you stick to using the 'Key
for Identifying the Hexagrams following the General Index then
you won't be confused.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 03:05 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 09:25 AM
Hi all, can anyone help and advise about the i-ching please. I
do not understand the meaning when it states about the superior
man should persevere or undertake something etc. Does this
relate to the person consulting the i-ching or to the person
they are asking the i-ching about? I have been trying to get to
grips with this method for some time now but rather than
understanding it i am becoming more confused with it! I have a
dire situation I am seeking advice about but due to my confusion
i fear i may make matters worse rather than better by not
understanding the advice. It seems I am not the only person
lacking understanding or trust in this system.
[Infoburst: Marabas says: Always keep in mind your place in the
scheme of things. The traditional commentaries on the I-Ching
were first written out with the Help of Confucious five hundred
years BCE - hence are somewhat idiosyncratic. They are also
written from a confucian standpoint. Confucious's writings were
a moral benchmark (similar to Mao Tse Tung's Little Red Book)
for the actions and thoughts of Mandarins and other influential
Chinese. Hence references to The Superior Man refers to anyone
who works the I-Ching and who aspires to high moral and ethical
standards. There are plenty of I-Ching books where writers have
intended to modernise the I-Ching meanings but most of them end
up corrupted and any genuine seeker needs to have the original
text to work from. Don't blame the book if you can't understand
- try harder. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations
posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 11:08 PM
I find it quite confusing when asking about another person and
what they may do about a certain situation etc. When the text
for example refers to what someone should do, is this referring
to the person you are asking about (who is unaware of the
consulting the oracle) or is this reference to the person doing
the asking? Tips on the use of the I-Ching would be appreciated
from the advanced users.
Thanks all.
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 22, 2008 at 09:02 AM
edited on April 22, 2008 at 09:03 AM
Hi Rob, I agree utterly with your evaluation of the
Willhelm-Baynes I-Ching. A superb classic of the esoteric;
though beginners may sometimes become confused, like William J,
until they gain experience at interpretation. M teaches that
because the I-Ching 'tracks' the flux of Chi in one's life every
answer the I-ching gives will incorporate a perspective of ALL
the energies surrounding one, therefore it teaches us wisdom
about oneself within one's destiny as well as advises what is
the best action to take. As such it illuminates our own personal
perspectives on our self and our condition and is much, much
more than simply a form of divination.
As Puretongue has said, we can often subconsciously impose our
desires and needs and interpret ANY type of divination
incorrectly - it would be wrong then to blame the I-ching for an
apparently wrong answer when one is confused by the vortex of
happenings which are imploding upon one and this is why it is
essential to keep a magical diary of one's casts, interpreations
and outcomes. As the energies pass, with hindsight, the true
meaning of any cast is often revealed and I know from personal
experience just how accurate and powerful the I-Ching is.
Marabas enthuses others to work the I-ching for themselves on a
regular basis for the smaller every-day questions and by doing
this one is not only guided but one obtains really valuable
experience in interpretation so that when the BIG questions come
up you are less likely to mis-read the results. This is why
Marabas offers out his I-Ching reading service
[www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/chingdiv.htm ]for people wise
enough to realise that for the really big decisions it is a good
idea to have him do you an objective reading.
[BTW: The Willhelm Baynes I-Ching is available from the S.A.
Goto www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm and scroll down
the A-Z list to I-Ching/Book of Changes.] BB Denise W
Topic I-Ching Divination/incense query
posted by Rob User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 09:33 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 09:14 AM
Hi William J,
The I-Ching is an astounding book which is very deep and can
only
have been written by true initiates. IMHO, there are some good
books
'on' the I-Ching, but only the Wilhelm-Baynes is the real thing
in English.
I had some experiences like yours when starting out with the
oracle but
in all cases, given time, even the glitches were positive. I
suspect you
may feel trapped in your job or insecure, and going on the
oracle's advice
you stepped out beyond your comfort zone and that is something
which you may
take pride in. If you're a good, solid employee, your employer
now knows
you aren't satisfied and may make things better too. Take the
interview
experience as just that, experience. Learn from it. It may be
the first step
on a new path and stop you from being rusty.
Even if the I-Ching had no supernatural element at all (which I
can assure
you it does) it is a wonderful, bolstering text full of good
advice on living
a right, courageous life.
If you have not done so, please
check out Marabas' Instant I-Ching Guide
also available with the SA's I-Ching coin set, and follow his
instructions
on how to do a short ceremony/meditation. This will help....Rob.
ps. Readers from the SA: Does the SA still sell an I-Ching
incense ?
[INFOBURST: Yes Rob, we still produce our exclusive I Ching
Incense (stockcode B324N ) complete with charcoals to burn it
on. It's really amazing stuff - I find it increases my
perception and focus markedly. You can order on-line at
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/incenses.htm - scroll down
the A-Z list and hit the buy-now button. BB Denise W]
Topic RE: I-Ching Divination/Translations
posted by Puretongue User
posted on February 25, 2008 at 11:18 AM
I've used the I Ching on and off over the years. But not with
much consistency until recently.
Looking back through my diary at the hexagrams and text which
answered my queries years ago I can now see they were good
advice, even though I mis-interpreted them at the time.
Sometimes that was because I wanted another answer, and so
interpreted the text in that light. Sometimes because I wasn't
familiar enough with the concepts underlying the text.
Incidently, I once watched a chap whose business was failing,
consult the I-Ching for advice on the "right thing to do." He
followed the advice and things went poorly for him. However,
what he'd really wanted to know when he asked the question was
"What should I do to get out of this mess?" Doing the "right"
(i.e. honourable) thing - paying his debts etc. - didn't help
him escape.
You should always bear in mind the limitations of
interpretation, and the frame which the question sets on the
advice.
Topic I-Ching Divination/Translations
posted by William J. User
posted on February 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM
I tried Tarot cards many years ago, several decks, lots of books
but my self-readings never had any validity. More recently my
interest in Taoism and Zen has led me to explore the I-Ching
and upon reading through the Wilhelm-Baynes translation I was
really psyched up that I could be onto the real deal as far as
divination
is concerned, a book that's been used for thousands of years,
however,
a few months back I was stuck whether to apply for a job partly
as doing so would let the cat out of the bag as far as my
present
employer was concerned but my I-Ching reading was positive
about going for the job. I also asked several questions about
my suitability and the interview's likely outcome, etc: all
positive.
BUT after attending the interview I got a rejection letter and
my
'faith' in the Yi was instantly dashed. I've only asked a few
minor
questions since and my answers feel like they're as hollow
as fortune cookie predictions, vague and could relate to
anything.
Previously I felt assured that the I-Ching was very reliable,
even like
a friend and mentor. Now I am wondering if it's all bunk, or
maybe the
Wilhelm version is flawed. Are there better translations ? I've
looked
around the internet on this question and it seems there is a
split two
camp opinion where there are hard-core Wilhelm-only users, and
anti-Wilhelm who seem largely to use versions by Alfred Huang
and
Stephen Karcher. Are these versions any good, or just cash
generators
for new age authors ?
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Topic RE: i-ching hexagram talismans
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Yes Kimbal and once you have meditated on the 64 hexagrams you
will know which one to use. Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic i-ching hexagram talismans
posted by kimball User
posted on August 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Can i-ching talismans work for a building or a place as well as
for a person.eg placing the talisman some wear in a room to
protect it from intruders.
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Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 01:54 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:57 AM
I used the SA Chaosphere cassette which is available from their
website. click here and then scroll down the page to Chaosphere
Cassette
I haven't invited him in because I'm too shy to approach him and
i fall too pieces when i see him
There is hope though I the OEXP's i was recommended have really
help a lot and I'm continuing to use them. It really is a case
of having to step out of my comfort zone and sort myself out. As
i said the Magick worked just fine no complaints there.
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on The Chaosphere
Cassette go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm
and scroll down the page to Chaosphere ]
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by UVRAY User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM
YOU ARE A STAR ! so please would you recommend a sigil spell for
us poor creatures who need to attract a specific man??
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM
you mean he has fallen in love with you and that is why he is
standing outside your house, singing etc??
Why not just go outside and INVITE HIM IN?????
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM
you mean he has fallen in love with you and that is why he is
standing outside your house, singing etc??
Why not just go outside and INVITE HIM IN?????
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 07:29 PM
Seems to be the situation anyway. The chaosphere tape would
appear to have worked, the failure is in my inability to act on
the results. I'm now working to amened that.
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by stargirl User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM
you mean you succeeded in getting him?? he's outside your house
so you can't get rid of him?
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by stargirl User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM
you mean you succeeded in getting him?? he's outside your house
so you can't get rid of him?
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by stargirl User
posted on January 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM
you mean you succeeded in getting him?? he's outside your house
so you can't get rid of him?
Topic RE: Don't bother with love spells!!!
posted by misterloverman User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 02:01 PM
I don't get the impression adepts would pine away for ppl who
don't fancy them!
Oh yes they do!Or rather in the stages before adepthood they
did! To claim otherwise is to presume they were never in the
human condition and that they are incapable of love.!! Love can
strike anyone at any time. How one deals with the situation and
ones feelings is another matter and that is where adepthood
would come into its own. Romantic problems are pointers and
experiences in life that an 'incipient' adept will be initiated
through - how would he or she be able to understand others
without learning from this, and other equally challenging
experiences?
Topic RE: Don't bother with love spells!!!
posted by greenclover User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:39 PM
I was really sorry to hear that none of your workings were
successful. Have you consulted Marabas? If there is anyone whio
can help, HE CAN!! Do you think it is just a matter of right
spell/right belief?
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Topic has anyone used a lovespell/sigil which
posted by greenclover User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:37 PM
ACTUALLY WORKED?? I.E. THEY ATTRACTED & WON THE SPECIFIC
MAN??
I ask because no one seems to have posted on this............
Topic has anyone used a lovespell/sigil which
posted by greenclover User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:37 PM
ACTUALLY WORKED?? I.E. THEY ATTRACTED & WON THE SPECIFIC
MAN??
I ask because no one seems to have posted on this............
Topic RE: Don't bother with love spells!!!
posted by Sannymac User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 04:28 AM
After reading the OEXP's that are recommended below I'm starting
to see your point of view here. Personal power seems to be
something I find far more appealing than desperate longing for
someone. I tried a few of the techniques and although it's early
days yet i found then very effective, is that whats referred too
as feyness? never really got what was meant by that term
BTW isn't part of magickal training learning to control the
emotions anyway? I don't get the impression adepts would pine
away for ppl who don't fancy them!
Topic Don't bother with love spells!!!
posted by misterloverman User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:28 AM
Everyone will have their own views but my experience is that any
love spell directed at a particular person is likely to fail or
else be unsatisfactory!
I remember going through every conceivable idea and action to
attain someone who on reflection simply was not interested!
There is a energy polarity between two people and when one
psychically knows that they have the natural advantage and all
of the power there is generally no incentive on their part to be
involved - call it human nature, but we all love the
unattainable!! Many many years later the person turned up, long
after it really mattered, with the offer I had always dreamed
of. Problem was,by that time she had two children and was
looking for any mug - and better than me? A little meditation
and contemplation of all the events that led up to that moment
showed me in great detail that she was cruel, manipulative and
heartless without equal, and it occured to me what a lucky
escape it had been that she had never wanted me prior to that!
Some people are bad and if not bad in every way, then in this
life they are bad for you and that is why the gods never let you
have that person - even when you feel certain that they are the
one for you!
In my case it was not even a matter of looks or personality (I
had plenty of both - hope I still do?) but a lack of worldly
power and money ( These days I have plenty of both!!).In those
days I was a mug but these days I am not ( Getting the
picture!!?).The proposition was on her terms, which I doubt I
would have accepted even at the height of my infatuation with
her anyway, or in all likelihood not for long? We forget that it
is easy to fall out of love as it is to fall in love with
someone!
As things transpired the tables had completely turned and by
that time I didn't want her. In a funny sort of way I still love
her and it would be dishonest to myself if I denied it, but it
is all rooted in a long painful and horrible experience of
unrequitted love that I could have avoided if I had exerted my
will power more than I did. History is full of failed love
affairs and secret infatuation, you are in the company of
millions. Welcome to the club!
It was a hard lesson but it taught me that you cannot make
someone love you even if on face value it appears that they
should.It also showed me that one should refrain from attempting
to influence anothers will, whether by magick or by more
conventional means.Life has a rhythm and momentum of its own, it
takes you all your time to be able to dance to it without having
to force another to follow your own steps.
My real advice is to accept the situation. Forget it and will to
move on if you have already given it your best shot with no
result.
Good luck
BB
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 03, 2008 at 08:47 PM
edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:44 AM
Posted by anon - >> most beginners shy away from the very
complexity which is required to achieve this success and instead
choose simple, often magically inept, spells which demand very
little from the operator. The result is nearly always failure
because the gods will not respond <<
It should be pointed out that not everyone beleives in "Gods."
Many a magician believes that he himself is the god of his own
subjective universe. The true sorcerer imprints his own will
through magic on the material universe.
I would also suggest that complexity is also unnecessary and
overly complicated intellectualism is a barrier to unleashing
the powers of the subconscious mind. Indeed, rather like any
artist, the magician seeks to break down overt pragmatism in
order to open up a conduit through which our creativity may
travel. In Satamism we refer to this, during ritual, as
suspension of disbelief or intellectual decompression.
It is personal choice if you wish to believe that one's success
is reliant upon the co-operation of external deities but I
simply wanted to point out that many practitioners of magic do
not see it this way.
[DENISE ANSWERS: You've misunderstood. It doesn't matter whether
the gods exist or not, Anon, BECAUSE THE UNIVERSE BEHAVES AS
THOUGH THEY DO - hence to work proper magic one takes account of
the existence of the gods, or ignores them at one's peril. The
'many practitioners of magic' you speak of who don't are
probably part of the chattering masses in the New Age who
Marabas blames for rationalising the mystery of magic and
diluting much of the genuine current of magic today. Learning
about the formulae of magick is an exercise in logic but it is
best not to confuse that with assuming magick is some form of
scientific method. Why don't you start a new thread on this
subject because it is a crucial difference between genuine
initiated magic and the Coffee table variety which fills up most
of the other forums on the occult. ]
Topic i have read the previous posts and
posted by LUCKYLADY User
posted on January 03, 2008 at 03:14 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM
wondered does anyone have a sigil magic ritual for love to
attract a specific man??
Previous workings have failed so am at a loss as to what to do
now.
Please do get in touch.
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INVENTED spell kits over 30 years ago when non existed precisely
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spellkits have been used successfully by THOUSANDS of people
over a quarter of a century. Do you really want your man or
don't you? For more information and prices go:
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Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 12:48 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Hi, sannymac, You are right, many people will search for a
magical spell for love not realising that it demands a
transformation in themselves.
However the gods will always require a change in the operator as
well a the target. Often the mere act of making up one's mind to
use magic constitutes the act of stepping beyond one's comfort
zone and sets in motion everything else. You would be surprised
at how many people seek a lovespell and then when they discover
the price say they can't afford it! The gods detect
prevarication of this sort quickly and soon move on to help
others who aren't fooling themselves.
Having access to, in my opinion, the BEST love-spell available
(Marabas's Spellkit for Love's Desire -
see more details on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm .) is the
surest way of doing things because unlike most other spells it
will transform the operator as well as the target in a way which
brings maximum success.
However if the operant is so shy and retiring that they can't
even grasp or maximise the opportunities that the gods create
(i.e. can't even say hello when they bump into their man in the
street) then all is not lost because as you suspected there are
indeed magical ways to overcome shyness and to strengthen and
amplify one's personality. A shy person should obtain Marabas's
OEXP100 OCCULT CURE FOR SHYNESS / STAMMERING and OEXP103
OBTAINING POWER AND PERSONALITY THROUGH INVOKING ARCHETYPES.
Both of these together contain secrets of how to overcome self
consciousness and become truly gregarious and entertaining in
the company of other people or groups of people. You can
download these OEXPs instantly, right now, and read them on your
screen (or print out a copy) by going to
http://www.sorcerers-apprentce.co.uk/occultls.htm and scrolling
down the page to OEXP100 and OEXP103.
Topic RE: Thank you Seewanan for
posted by Denise W. User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 12:47 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Stargirl, You can find more info on the Chaosphere
tape sannymac recommended on http://www.sorcerers-
apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm Scroll down the page
to Chaosphere Tape and click on the button to
purchase. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by sannymac User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 04:46 AM
Hi Stargirl
I fell for someone so i used th SA Chaosphere tape to try and
get him, Afterwards I would see him almost everyday on the
street nearly walking into him round corners etc..
He then got a job on a building site across the street from my
house! It was getting very uncanny indeed. The problem was I was
so shy i couldn't pluck up the courage to speak to him, I let
all those opportunities slip bye because i was so unconfident in
myself. Sounds like you might be having a similar crisis, maybe
Marabas could produce something a spellkit or mini rite that
could address this very common problem.
Incidentally my fella now hangs around outside my house drunk at
night telling anyone who'll listen that I'm a poof and i fancy
him! he's been out there for a Year and a half now, every
weekend, the lady protests too much methinks!
Karma eh?!
Topic RE: Thank you Seewanan for
posted by Seewanan User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 03:37 PM
Hey, but that's better still. Why don't you propose to him? N
please don't tell me girls should not propose. Yea, u r rite. U
dnt need the OEXP I mentioned. I am a novice, and not yet
"magically" matured as such. You are in an advantage. Propose
straightaway, don't be shy. :) All the best.
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Topic Thank you Seewanan for
posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:20 PM
taking the time to reply to me! That's great! I have found the
right man and we are friends but he is shy etc. I want to draw
him to me through a spell of sigil magic which I believe in. Any
ideas? because I'm not sure that the OXP is strong enough &
there is no time to waste.
Topic Thank you Seewanan for
posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:20 PM
taking the time to reply to me! That's great! I have found the
right man and we are friends but he is shy etc. I want to draw
him to me through a spell of sigil magic which I believe in. Any
ideas? because I'm not sure that the OXP is strong enough &
there is no time to waste.
Topic RE: **URGENT SIGIL SPELL** NEEDED
posted by Seewanan User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 07:05 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Greetings,
No one can help you without knowing your problem. Why don't you
choose a spell from S.A after having meditated for a while, do
not act in haste.
At the beginning of this year, I felt desperate too.
And I purchased OEXP51 , and used it. The girl who was running
away from me became friendly again. No, she's not my girlfriend,
but once we were talking again she told me she was engaged to
someone. I just went away, but we still do phone. And believe
me, I am not a looser.
I don't know details of your problem, but believe me you should
try some spell from S.A. And maybe you also need to try an
oracle(No I dont use one.
Regards
Topic **URGENT SIGIL SPELL** NEEDED
posted by * STARGIRL * User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 04:40 PM
Please can someone help me? I am in a DESPERATE situation &
need an urgent, straightforward sigil spell. I am a relative
newcomer and all else has failed. I am HEARTBROKEN. I am genuine
and therefore would treat any email address with 100% respect.
Please will some experienced initiate take pity on me and offer
to help?? Thanks a lot, Stargirl xxx
Topic Thanks UVRAY I WOULD BE VERY
posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 01:52 PM
GRATEFUL FOR ANY SIMPLE SIGIL RITUAL YOU COULD GIVE ME. I HAVE
ALREADY PURCHASED OILS, CANDLES ETC FROM DENISE SO I HOPE SHE
WILL NOT MIND YOUR INSIGHT. LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.
Topic helpful love spells
posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 03:30 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:39 AM
any spell you know so i know what if a girl likes me or not?any
spell you know to find your soulmate?
[INFOBURST: If you wear Ruthvah Sexual Attractant you will know
for sure that women like you because it affects every girl you
come into contact with. For more info go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm ]
Topic helpful love spells
posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 03:27 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:37 AM
any spell you know so i know what if a girl likes me or not?any
spell you know to find your soulmate?
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on a the most
genuine tried and tested lovespell, go
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm ]
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 05:13 PM
Well, Stargirl, as you see this is not my forum and I don't want
to be treading on the toes of those who do own it. Since this
forum is a gateway to a commercial venture, out of respect, I
will have to wait and see if Denise minds me discussing it.
Topic FOLKS..please somebody help Stargirl !
posted by LILY User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 03:07 PM
she sounds really nice
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by STARGIRL User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 02:17 PM
UVRAY what you have written is absolutely brilliant. Please may
I respectfully ask you as I am an absolute beginner, which
simple Sigil magic spell would you reccommend to attract a
particular man to be deeply in love with me? Currently, he likes
me but is shy. I am on benefits so don't have a lot of money for
tools etc. I would be extremely grateful to hear from you.
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Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:18 PM
That last reply was me again. I forgot to fill in my name.
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:17 PM
The spell kit sounds like a good idea in this case. As you know,
Sigil Magic is extremely simple and I think the problem is that
many initiates into the use of magic are too often fooled by
complicated systems and might think that because it's
complicated it must be somehow scientific. It doesn't work that
way and simple methods that bypass the natural resistence of our
conscious, logical mind are, in my experience, extremely
effective. One book I personally like to recommend is Carl
Jung's Man & His Symbols. Though this isn't addressing Sigil
Magic itself it does address the psychology at work behind it
for those who are interested in the study of such things. Of
course, there is absolutely no requirement to do so and often
keeping one's mind free of clutter is a boon to magic.
Personally, with Sigil Magic I have found that with each success
belief grows. I have employed it now on numerous occasions and
have been numb struck, both by the rapidity in which I have seen
the fruition of my desires and in the sheer accuracy of results.
After many such successes I now employ it with not "faith" but
absolute conviction.
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by Denise User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 09:08 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:36 AM
All magic of whatever style must indeed use symbols (the
language of the subconscious). Only via the use of symbols can a
person consciously recreate the Self. Marabas's 'high-magick'
spell-kit P100
(see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm )
actually involves creating a sigil-symbol as a focus for love
which is bound between the two dolls used in the kit to
represent the lovers and so takes care of this important aspect.
This spellkit was one of the first M created back in the 1970s
(Marabas invented spellkits) and has a long track record of
success. Spellkits have the advantage that newcomers need not
embark upon a regime of study in a magical method before working
a spell to alleviate an immediate problem.
You are correct in that we do have a number of books which cover
the creation and use of sigils including Marabas's OEXP003
Naming Ceremony To Consecrate Objects and/or People ( available
for immediate download from
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm)
M says that there are many different types of love-spell each of
which will suit the particular nature and spiritual awareness of
the operant. Our experience shows that simple 'rustic' spells
are frequently highly successful and it would be a mistake to
overlook the fact that, though initiates attempt to control and
direct magic, it's force is still miraculous and by
qualification cannot be preconceived. One never actually knows
how magic works otherwise it wouldn't be magic ( take a look at
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm for real
examples of it doing so ). Sometimes magic just works and for
beginners the simple spells are worth a try first as being a
cost-effective method of beginning to take control of one's
destiny. BB Denise W
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 04:20 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:28 AM
One of the simplest and truly effective methods of magic I have
found is Chaos Magic, often also referred to as Sigil magic;
which I find to be more of an appropriate description for it
since it involves the focusing of our desires through symbology.
If you consider that our emotions and feelings such as love
exist beyond the realm of solid definition it is often difficult
for us to focus and animate our desires. By creating a workable
symbol out of a concept we help foucus the mind in its ability
to draw unto us our desires. I am sure you will find a book on
Sigil Magic somewhere at the Sorcerers Apprentice site.
[INFOBURST: You are right once again UVRAY Marabas has detailed
the application of sigils (including the way to incorporate them
in a charging ceremony)at length in his Spellkit for Selling
Property. and with this framework sigil magick can be applied to
virtually any purpose. The instructions and script for the
Property Selling Spellkit are obtainable separately from the
spellkit itself and can be downloaded instantly right now. For
more information go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spellins.htm
then scroll down the page to Property Selling Spellkit
instructions. BB Denise W
]
Topic RE: I need a lovespell or something
posted by Denise User
posted on December 07, 2007 at 01:29 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Hi Alice,
Why don't you telephone Paula on 011x x45139 (44 113 2451309
from overseas) -she'll ask Frater Marabas for you and he will
tell you what you need exactly. Alternatively you can check out
our free spell sheet on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/magoils.htm which contains
hundreds of special concoctions and magical oils and gives the
best easy beginners' spells to use them in. There's several for
use in love magic and they are quite simple to operate.
Of course if you want to use the most powerful form of High
Ceremonial Magick then you'll require one of Marabas's
ultra-complete Spellkit for Love's Desire. He invented the idea
of Spellkits decades ago before the rest jumped on the bandwagon
and his has a long track record of success. They include
absolutely everything you need, step-by-step instructions,
ceremonial script, candles, holders, all the necessary altar
equipment, magical philtres, oils and incenses - absolutely
everything. Check them out on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm . They aren't cheap
but how much is your man worth?
If you have any more problems selecting a magical application
email me on denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk and
give more detail so I can advise in depth.
BB Denise W.
Topic I need a lovespell or something
posted by Alice User
posted on December 07, 2007 at 01:20 PM
I need a lovespell or something but I don't know what. Can
anyone advise me?
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Topic Is Marabas ok? He seems to have gone
away posted by Rhiannon User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:46 PM
edited on July 18, 2008 at 12:45 PM
...........My best wishes to him and all of his terrific team.
[Infoburst: Only temporarily thank goodness Rhiannon, M will be
back in a week or so but as his input is absolutely key to the
workings of the S.A. we all get time off when he leaves. :-) BB
Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Lady Theorian's Temple.
posted by Michael. User
posted on August 11, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Hi Steve! So glad things are working out well now.
I feel a strong afinity with you Steve/McParted, I offer
My sincere best wishes in all your endeavors. Maybe Denise is
amenable to the concept of storytelling:-( I didn't have the
honour of knowing Lady Theorian, but would be intrigued to know
of Her:-) A memorium, if you will. Of course, there may be good
reason why it should not be written, perhaps later, when things
are entirely stable?
May Serenety shine...
Topic RE: Lady Theorian's Temple.
posted by Mcparted User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Oh sorry again for the late reply, hotmail keep changing their
login, so my pop scanner is less than useless, and things have
been moving at breakneck speed now
Not upset at all Michael in fact I'm glad you brought it up, no
way did I mean any offence by that post, the last people I want
to be upsetting are fellow occultists, we are few in number, and
have enough on our hands defending ourselves against society.
naughty little elemental's playing pranks should have been
reeled in now the temple is fully working once more.
It takes some getting used to having to cram so many different
things in a day, but now my rituals come easy, and I do rejoyce
her passing now, because I'm certain she is there guiding me
along and protecting me
thanks for bringing all this up, and I hope that I can post some
good news in the coming years - Steve
Topic RE: Lady Theorian's Temple.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Greetings Steve. I am so sorry to have upset you at this time.
Dear
Lady Theorian must have forseen, that you must ' Fight for it' I
totally believe your words, Steve, I sense love. Brother,
someone is dopple ganging rights to your Dear Lady's Temple.
Don't worry.
I'll look into this, shan't bother you again. Very best wishes
in your endeavors. I offer friendship. Take care, Michael.
Topic RE: Lady Theorian's Temple.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 26, 2008 at 01:16 AM
Greetings Steve.
Apologies if I upset you at this delicate time. I made no
accusation, as said, I was/am puzzled. I believe you immediately
upon reading your words. Another entry was made on another site.
There have been other issues with this site, occultists being a
strange bunch, now I understand you Steve, I apologise for any
distress caused. I will resolve the problem.
Blessings, servant of Light.
Topic RE: Lady Theorian's Temple.
posted by changing.redcarAThotmail.co.uk User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Nope I never posted it anywhere else
My name is Steve my user name is Mcparted, I don't have multiple
names on forums.
The gaps in posts are because I don't get much spare time at
present, certainly not enough to go posting round other forums,
under other names the idea is laughable, have you not thought
maybe someone else cut and pasted it, elsewhere where people
knew Marcia.
I did ask about her knife of the art not long back I did so
because she bought it from the SA, so thought that was the best
place to ask that Q.
Why not post it weeks after my last post, It's called an update.
It was posted here originally because I was asked to.
Whats wrong with buying a working witch's temple to secure it's
future.
Buying a property takes time, It's not like buying a bag of
shopping, that's without the nightmare of everything being in
probate nothing was secure till my name was finally on the deeds
.
Why did I do it, because my dying girlfriends last words on the
temple on the day she died were "fight for it", don't let it
fall into enemy hands.
I'm aware that the temple is within one's self I will probably
be putting it into a trust eventually, no rush now I have
fulfilled my promise.
I'm sure the OTO paid something for their gang hut, as indeed
the SA do with Burley road, so I cannot understand why there is
even an issue here.
The update was more about what's happening with the living than
the dead, It's easy to rejoice some distant occultist dying, but
when it's your girlfriend it's a bit different, and I never
rejoiced then I was gutted, we passed her over, but it doesn't
mean you have to like it, even for occultists, the closer you
are to someone the more it hurts.
Bearing in mind that Marcia goes back to the early days of the
SA, so why would I NOT post the events on their forum.
Anyway peace love and brown rice
Steve
Topic Lady Theorian's Temple.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 10:10 AM
I don't wish to be innapropriate, but am confused. Didn't you
say
this on another site, under a different name? Now you've bought
it? Why post here, 3-4 weeks after the other posts? Anyway, it
was
A week or so later, Zardoz,who founded the U.S. Boleskine Abbey,
entered stage 4 of our, Thelemite meditation, going to sleep
after a long battle with cancer, He died at 4.18p.m. (The number
of completion of The Great work. Also, Major General McMurty,
U.S. army, Head of The U.S.A. O.T.O. did depart around this
time.
Blessed Be Their ascention, Our world is better for having known
them. "A Feast for life, and a greater feast for Death! Feast!
Aye,
Rejoice! There is no dread hereafter; There is the dissollution,
and eternal ecstacy in the kisses of Nu!" Liber Al vel Legis.
Topic RE: Lady Theorians Temple
posted by Mcparted User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 07:24 PM
Well sorry I've been so long updating this thread
The temple is now secure, I bought it.
Work has been done to secure the shell, as Marcia was less than
practical, now we are ready to rock
I'm surprised how well stocked she was, and how much occult
knowledge, she had passed down to myself, anyway I look forward
to many happy years working now that the physical graft is
coming to an end.
The only thing is, it breaks my heart coming across her
workings, though I realise I have to finalise workings that have
came to completion, it still throws me a bit.
Steve
Topic RE: Lady Theorians Temple
posted by Mcparted User
posted on March 12, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Thanks Denise
Marcia sure kept me from falling for self ego, she also learned
me how to deal with the media which were always sniffing round.
Many of the spew age witches tried to be louder and prouder,
even down to copying Marcia's house by painting their houses up
to say "hey we are here too".
Often they said they were her, because of her reputation.
Marcia on the other hand had streams of people begging for
readings, and the said new agers wanting to pay for training
lol.
The god squad never thought much of her, often god graffiti
would appear on her posters, though to be fair - not all, mostly
the born agains were behind it.
She was very down to earth, with a large West Yorkshire accent,
I'd ask how she was and the answer was something like
"champion", we did a funeral the occult community would be proud
of and never weakened to just go through with any old funeral
Her file system is as chaotic as mine so it's going to be some
time before I can get everything together, other than my own
paintings on the easel nothing has changed, though Marcia was
one of the best naive artists I know, her work captured an age
of innocence.
Anyway I will keep you posted to how things are
BB Steve
Topic RE: Lady Theorians Temple
posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 12:19 PM
The news of MarciaŽs death was a sad loss to us all here. She
had been a client of the S.A. and a friend of Marabas for nearly
thirty years, was regularly in touch with each of us. Marabas
well remembers her calling in to the shop for a chat in the good
old days when the S.A. was open for browsing. Above all M says
he remembers her completely down to earth and genuine sincerity
about occult things - a far cry from the many self-appointed
high priestesses who pepper the New Age at the moment. Good
people but with occult substance often in inverse ratio to their
egotism. M introduced Lady Theorian to Frater BB who, amongst
many other achievements conceived and drew the unique InitiatesŽ
Tarot for the S.A. and together they did sterling work to
develop their own special paths. It will be a challenge for you
to coalesce her work and temple but we know you will not be
short of the effort and committment required to do so. Long may
the gods shine light upon their memories. BB Denise W.
Topic Lady Theorians Temple
posted by McParted User
posted on March 06, 2008 at 09:14 AM
Well as those in the know are aware of, sadly she died.
I find myself the keeper of a witches temple, there is so much
occult workings in here I don't know where to start lol
I put a few photographs of one or two her oil paintings on
flickr, it's a small start....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24001943@N07/
Next I'm looking at a way of preserving the temple for as long
as possible, it's hard work when you are grieving a lost love.
BB Mcparted
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Topic RE: l.o.t - reissues
posted by Paul User
posted on December 31, 2008 at 04:19 PM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Yeah would be nice to see L.O.T. again. I have a few issues from
past, but would be nice to see re-issues, because some of the
articles were really helpful and insightful.
Happy New Year to all!
[Infoburst: Hi Paul, and reciprocal greetings for the New Year
ev. M refrains from setting on new staff specifically for a
single project because he knows from experience that the gods
will just open up more and more doors and there is always the
danger of diluting the current of magic at the S.A. It is no
secret that M edited all the LOTs and they contain his wu-wei as
well as the combined current of the S.A. along with the destiny
of some of the best occultists of that generation who all
contributed crucial articles.
As you probably know, back issues of all the LOTs are available
in photocopied form and several really important issues are
available in printed form, so the knowledge and insight from
that period can still be shared by people today, so no loss. We
do have plans for digitising every back issue and putting it on
our website for instant download but M says that completing all
the ideas in his project book would require a cast of thousands
and the discipline of having to focus on what is immediately and
realistically obtainable is probably a good thing. ;-) BB Denise
W. ]
Topic l.o.t posted by
kimball User
posted on December 12, 2008 at 05:29 PM
has marabas ever thort about hiring some people soly to work on
l.o.t. in a seperate department. it may get some issue's finaly
done and allow you guy's to get on running the s.a.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 02:09 AM
Hi Karen. Actually, they are endowed with conciousness, a
spirituality if you will. I created one, to perform specific
tasks, it would reply to me, i.e: speak. When its work was
finished, so was its existance, so, no turning on it's creator.
Does it need be an Adept? The endowment of conciousness of an
Astral entity, is a lesson learned pre-Adept, in Tibbetan
Bhuddist studies. The further arts were performed after I
achieved union with my H.G.A: became an Adeptus minor, within.
Yes, I'd imagine it should only be attempted by Adeptii, to be
certain of no errors.
I've read the previous comments in this thread, and, see the
same old problem, accentuated in modern days: There are a lot of
people needing guidance, and too few Adeptii to serve. So I've
been ignoring a lot of questions, referring people to study, ask
S.A. as
certain esoteric knowledge suitable for the querant, could be
misunderstood, or accidentally misused by the practitioner.
Although you didn't ask a question Karen, after previous
comments, I thought I'd give some safe comments, as you found
out the basics yourself. If people give specific questions,
which I can answer safely, as explained, it could ease the
apparently very busy S.A. burden. Love, Light, Love and liberty
to All.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.
posted by Karen User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 12:13 AM
I have a vague idea what golems are generally, i.e. a
human-created creature, usually constructed by a very
spiritually adept person, made from clay or other inanimate
material: this is probably where the basic idea of
Frankenstein's monster came from. I've heard that they lack a
spiritual conscousness, and usually cannot speak. Some legends
about them, in fact, describe them as turning on their creators
eventually, as in the Frankenstein story. My question was about
the specific character referred to in earlier posts in this
thread, since the picture in the link below wouldn't come up on
my laptop screen on the first several tries. I was just
wondering if he was some sort of office "mascot", since I
haven't yet read any issues of the aforementioned magazine...
Anyway--I found a fairly good Wikipedia page on said creature at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem , if anyone wants to check it
out, critique it, whatever...
Topic Golem's Gossip
posted by Alan User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 08:40 PM
Hi Karen,
Golem's gossip was a regular column in the Lamp of Thoth where
Golem was
very naughty and spilled the beans on a lot of deserving
targets, etc.
As Denise has said, Golem had his finks and I'm sure many folks
out there
are breathing easier for the moment that he's still nailed away
in his coffin
(for now...)
...Hilarious ! Treat yourself to a back issue of LOT some time
for the
experience. LOT 24, the red issue is superb.
Best regards, Alan.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 05:46 PM
I applaud Karen for asking, we cannot all afford to buy lots of
books and hope that some of the more knowledgable out there may
offer help and guidance rather than critisize people for asking.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 03:33 PM
Tuition Re: Karen post on April 4th '08, on sex and magick
thread.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.
posted by Karen User
posted on June 02, 2008 at 01:37 AM
Tuition? I simply said the picture wasn't coming up yesterday.
Just had a look at it a minute ago, however...
Topic RE: lamp of thoth-Golem.
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 03:50 PM
Dear Karen, you're popping up all over the shop asking for
tuition. I thought a forum was a place to exchange viewpoints?
As a Thelemite, the emphasis is on solo working, study, study
and more study. If the fates decide, ( Or get nagged so much, in
your case, ho-ho) You will find a Guru. 'Til then, study,work.
S.A. is a bookstore. Find; How to create Elementals. Then, How
to create a Golem.
Moral duty fulfilled.
Toodle-pip!
Topic RE: lamp of thoth
posted by Karen User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 03:05 AM
What sort of critter is Golem? I can't seem to get the pic to
come up on my laptop, I'm afraid...
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Topic RE: lamp of thoth/Golem
posted by Alan User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 01:41 AM
Yes, Golem was the best !
Nice to see his pic on the forum.
Thanks,
Alan.
Topic RE: lamp of thoth
posted by Alan User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 09:56 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 09:17 AM
How is Golem these days ? What a guy !
<
[Infoburst: Golem? Golem! Don't mention that putrid bag of bones
to me. I well remember him rattling around the office sticking
his boney digits into everything he could to write that snide
column of his. When I first started here one of my jobs was to
stamp out the 'I'm A Golem's Fink' badges he sent to his
informants. Ha. The information still comes in but we've nailed
him back in his coffin until the Editor says otherwise. ;-) ]
(Click here to see a pic of Golem)
Topic lamp of thoth posted
by kimball User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 01:04 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 09:43 AM
is the s.a still producing new issues of the lamp of thoth.
[Infoburst: Well, kinda, the people who edit, format, write and
produce the LOT are by and large the same ones that run the SAFF
which is just so busy and makes so many demands on their time
that LOT26 is l-o-n-g overdue. There is a standing arrangement
whereby people with existing subscriptions can transfer their
credit to other goods at the S.A. if they like but most are just
waiting patiently. The only back-copies of the LOT which are now
available are LOT13, LOT24 (The Red Lot) and LOT25. You can see
background on these and order them on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lotmag.htm
if you haven't got them in your library. I particularly
recommend The Red Lot. M does have plans to digitise all back
issues and put them out on the net for instant download but
things are so busy that this will not be in the immediate
future. BB Denise W.]
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Topic RE: Liber 777 How to understand
posted by revrev User
posted on October 27, 2009 at 04:10 PM
For me, the easiest method came from just reading the tables.
One day, sooner than you may suspect, it will fall in place. I
had the burst of insight that said "So THAT'S how it works!"
when I noticed how each column correlates to the others of the
same position on all the charts. Your difficulty is not unusual.
I have not consulted 777 in some time and I know that I will
have to go through the learning cycle again. So just keep
reading it and it will become clear.
Blessings!
revrev
Topic 777 posted by
Valazebek User
posted on October 10, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Greetings Bother/Sister;
The system of tables; as in conjunction with knowledge of otz
chim; the tree of life-hebrew-
Gives much knowledge-Let us say;
You have prepared your
Magickal weapons; and wish to perform
a Magickal Invocation
of Mercury; The God, that He may bring knowledge ---
777 Gives the needed keys; I.E. Colours; incenses, Holy
Names; In accord with the laws of the universe; as read in
the invocations of an entity; knowing not the language or
meaning; Yet raising such an 'Spirit' WILL occur.
Such is the knowledge within 777. That using the corelations;
is the way to successsful Magick.
Hope this aids You in Your Path;
V
Topic Liber 777 How to understand
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on July 19, 2009 at 03:34 PM
edited on July 23, 2009 at 08:48 AM
Hi
Can someone give me some simple way to understand this book, how
to use it?
Thanks
[INFOBURST: The first part of the book is based on a numerical
system related to the Cabbalistic spheres and paths of the tree
of life. By locating the numbers of the spheres and paths on the
tree glyph you can map out the powers, influences, objects,
symbols etc appropriate to Practical Cabbalah.
You will find our
Tree of Life Charts P6008 of inestimable help in both
understanding and using Liber 777 to conduct your rites. BB
Denise W]
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Topic Lol posted by
ricenpeas User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 02:04 PM
lol Winter Snake, the materialist are quick to call people
crazy. but they follow a logic and it is easy to find the
parameters of there argument and stay within them. New Age
Waffle. Now thats more tricky and i tend to watch my words.
Cheers for the comments Dennis.
Good Luck
Topic denise comment
posted by winter_snake User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 10:20 AM
edited on April 18, 2008 at 04:03 PM
On one note has marabas writen a oexp on how to shutdown the
spychic scensor yet.
[Denise Replies: Yes, wintersnake, regular use of the centering
exercise of the Rosy Cross Rite does exactly that (see Marabas's
OEXP034 on www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm [ scroll
down page to OEXP034]) along with this he always recommends hard
physical work or exertion, avoidance of any music or TV (which
can put the mind into a more sensitive alpha state). He says
sleep is an amazing healer for this problem and the use of
natural sleep-aids such as vervain and valerian should also be
considered. Marabas has also penned a powerful self-exorcism
rite (OEXP028 ) which he inaugurated in order to avoid people
who had got themselves into deep psychic trouble, defaulting
through lack of knowledge into the clutches of idiots in the
clergy who might make matters worse (there are at least two
occasions when so-called 'exorcism' by priests has resulted in
someone being killed) and who knows how many have been pushed
over the edge unnecessarily. BB Denise W.
Topic hands tentacles
posted by winter_snake User
posted on April 18, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Be carfull when talking to meterialist's about your exsperience
and your occult interest's in the same conversation. Most the
the time they will try to link the two together. And say that
your missguided interest lead to your exsperience.
Topic RE: Loosing my refrence points
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 02:52 PM
Thanks for that RiceNpeas, Marabas teaches that the world of
normality exists solely because of the functioning of the
psychic censor which focuses our thoughts and reduces the
multanimous input from other dimensions/worlds which permanently
surround us. It is one of the main purposes of occultism to
teach methods of removing and reinstating the psychic censor so
that the magician or witch can enter and experience other worlds
and realities. The Psychic censor can be removed in many ways
other than by ritual method (stroke, violent shock, siezure,
fit, physical accident, emotional breakdown or / and the use of
drugs. Once the censor is removed there is indeed no 'map of
self' remaining to which we can feel anchored and so we are
vulnerable to multanimous astral input which sends the 'I' off
into unfathomable experiences such as you describe. The key of
course is to have some method of re-instating the psychic censor
and thus 'normality'. Memories are permanently 'burned' into the
senaptic tracks in the brain, ready for recall which often
requires the stimulation of one or more of the senses (ie.
perfumes, sounds, sights, symbols etc) which was associated with
each memory. Hence the magician's use of perfumes, sounds,
symbols. Once the psychic censor has been moved it is easier to
move it again under will, and then it becomes a psychic
'gift' to achieve trance states and visions. Marabas says that
the rise in 'mental illness' today are often a result of the
no-holds-barred fantasy which the media expose us to. Yesod is
the gateway to the astral world thus it is a small step for the
consciousness to travel from horror on film to horror in the
mind. Without the necessary conscious control over our emotions,
ambitions and fears (which genuine occult
systems teach) more people are loosing themselves in Yesod. The
solution is not to censor
fantasy but to teach people how to manipulate and control it
within themselves. BB Denise W.
Topic Loosing my refrence points
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on April 12, 2008 at 02:39 PM
I am straying from the beginners section here and have just
started to PRACTICE Magick. I have been wanting to post for a
while, but i try not to ask questions and can only offer a
Neophytes experiences. so here goes.
From my early teens to mid 20s i stuffed myself with
physcodelics and heavy depressants. it did not work out to well
but i have a lot of experiences to draw from. 1 of the most
terrifing was the loss of all my refrence points. This is very
hard to explain but i just did not KNOW. My brain then kick in
trying despratly to make sense by naming the stuff around me. it
focused on my hands and patheticaly named them tenticals in a
hope it would brng sanity to to the situation. and fair play it
did. This repeated for years sometimes whilst on mild/strong
hallecagenics sometimes in the pots and pans world. once in my
English class for long moment. Freaky. As i have got older the
experience is almost gone unless i stare at my hand and think
tenticals. then i get a little closer.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
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Topic RE: C.o.S-Thelemite magazines.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 03:23 AM
Thanks for link; Well O Well!
WOW! What I can only call the mindset, or psycho-spiritual
objectives are the same as Thelema!
I would imagine that Crowley is out of the equation , to declare
C.o.S as an entirely different entity? Don't know.
I mentioned a magazine, writings of present day Thelemites, I'm
not so sure you'd want it, now I've read C.o.S. Whatever;
Discovered statement that the magazine was withdrawn, after
abuse.
I imagine stuff was being (sold?) published illegaly.
I'd actually imagine you're quite content where you are!
Best wishes.
Topic RE: Lucifer/Abramelin, etc
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 08:14 PM
Greetings All;
To those involved in writing this thread, indeed any readers,
did
anyone else experience an unexpected effect from this work?
Actually, explanation may be an esoteric step too far.
Thanks.
Best to All.
D.
Topic C.o.S-Thelemite magazines.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 03:33 PM
Many thanks, Graham, I'm looking forward to this!
I doubt your treading on any toes, D.L. might be pleased that a
genuine Thelemite wants to understand, perhaps a a time of
fuller co-operation may occur. (If it seems fitting, I'll pop a
token donation to C.o.S.) In this spirit of co-operation, I
enjoy reading an Arizona based O.T.O. lodge magazine, they write
articles, no books to download, no items to sell, they offer
this free. I'm waiting for Frater Seahorse-catfish to come down
from a mountain He's currently living on, to conclude a three
part story; so far: Hitler's transmigratory beam has been
tampered with , by those gosh darn
Lemurians, and He finds himself living in late 1800,s San
Francisco, as a transvestite gay, which he considers,....well, I
have diffuculty understanding 'ordinary' humour, yet find this
hilarious! Also potent esoteric truths are slipped in.
Only those of medium grade would understand, therefore persevere
with the unique articles,No copyright/other issues with S.A., so
I'll check with them, and give you the link. A favour for a
favour,
if you will. Thanks again, enjoy your weekend, (or not, as you
will!) Best wishes, D.
Topic Satanic articles archive
posted by Graham User
posted on June 28, 2008 at 06:47 AM
Greetings D,
Link below to an online archive from Dark Lily magazine.
DL ran from 1987 to 1995(?) and was my own introduction
to Satanism. DL also provided the appendix on Satanism
for the SA's Occult Census. A very fresh and original
take on Satanism was always presented in the magazine.
Kind Regards, Graham.
http://geocities.com/societyofdarklily/sodlmss/sodlmenu.htm
ps. I have no way of knowing if DL consented to this online
archive and apologise if I'm treading on toes by posting the
link - G.
Topic Lucifer. posted by
Draconuit. User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Greetings Graham, and thankyou. 'That, detective, was the right
answer.' I understand. Some key words, now I shall expand; why?
Beyond this Graham, I have glanced at Lavey's work, performed
a core ritual, yet am missing something, I can't get the point,
seriously Brother, I have no issues with C.o.S. I want to
understand, not understanding something annoys me.
I have written a brief outline of Thelemic structure on the
A.Crowley thread, would you do me the honour, of describing
able,
what you will concerning structure, aims and method.
I'm missing the point, Graham, and would appreciate, as perhaps
many others would, a clarification of this system. Sincerely.D.
Topic Lucifer/Abramelin, etc
posted by Graham User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 08:23 PM
The New Teatament verse which is used to make Lucifer become
satan is Luke 10:18:
"I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven".
which corresponds to Isaiah 14, as cited by JK.
Lucifer was a Roman God, similar to the Greek Phospheros.
The first use of Lucifer in the Bible was in the Latin Vulgate
to translate Isaiah, as said. Previously no Christian identified
Lucifer as the devil. This translation started that, and the
New testament verse cited above was used to show that this was
the 'same' event in the OT and NT (!)
A question: If Jewish holy writ has no Lucifer, why do the
Jewish
grimoires such as Abra-melin have him as one of the Four
infernal
Princes ? This is the basis also of the four Elemental Princes
in Satanism where Lucifer = Air, the East, Enlightenment.
- Graham
Topic Bible and Magick
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Hi ONU,
I don't have a set opinion on the Bible to be honest. I did
make it my New Years resolution in 2000 to read it right through
(Man, was that heavy going ! Took me 6 months though I had
planned
to take 4). At the time I was a Church of Satan member and
thought
it would be good to have some Bible knowledge. I really enjoyed
it
as it led to study of many areas I wouldn't otherwise have
gotten
into.
I know Marabas sometimes advises use of Psalms for example in
Root
magic or Talismans. have you ever used such, or know of uses of
the Bible in Magick. I have a book I bought a long time ago but
shelved it at the time: Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses. (I
will
start a new thread I think)Have you seen this or used it ?
Best regards, JK
Ishtar-Lucifer. posted by ONU.
posted on June 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM Reply to this Message
Hi JK, you certainly know your Bible!
Topic Eostre/Ishtar posted
by Anonymous User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Hi Anonymous,
in answer to your comments re Saxon Goddess Eostre,
I think She is synonymous with Ishtar, as with Ostara and
others.
In the musty academic literature on European Paganism,
apparently
there is only mentioned once in Old English literature, and that
was by the Christian scholar the Venerable Bede (679-735). In
his work De Temporum Ratione, Bede says that April was called
Eostremonath, due to the fact that the Heathen Anglo-Saxons
worshipped and held ceremonies during that month in honour of
Eostre.
The word Eostre was thought to mean East, making her a Goddess
of the Dawn.
I am not an expert, just a curious seeker but I think Eostre
which
was pronounced Easter, and Ishtar (also pronounced Easter) are
probably the same.
JK.
RE: Lucifer. posted by Anonymous
posted on June 16, 2008 at 10:42 AM Reply to this Message
Good morning. I always thought the word 'Easter' was derived
from the Saxon Goddess EOSTRE who is and was celebrated around
the spring equinox.
Topic Lucifer. posted by
ONU User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Nuit also says, "To worship me, drink wines, and wines that
foam.
Topic Ishtar-Lucifer.
posted by ONU. User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Hi JK, you certainly know your Bible!
I have certainty in the existance of 'Infinite mind space' as I
mumbled it to myself for years, before reading 'The Magical
Theory of The Universe.' This Infinite mind is concious, an
Egyptian form: Nuit, or Nu. (Still half asleep, rambling a bit.)
The concrete form
is Babalon; If you consider a sphere, the top half is Nuit,(The
Queen of Heaven) the bottom part; Babalon, able to descend below
the Abyss, to redeem.
A.Crowley is believed to have recieved transmissions from this
Egyptian Trinity, Father, Mother, Child. (Personally, I believe
this) The Goddess, Queen of Heaven says "To worship me, burn
mine incense unto me under a night sky"(Approx.) Instruction on
the preperation of 'cakes of light' is given. Any road up,
Must get to bank, get food.
There are a lot of connections, yet, why, is Lucifer portrayed
as male, pointing to Adam Kadmon, with so many Goddess
references?
Quite intrigueing, thanks for that JK.
Yes, I knew of the British oestre tradition, apparently there's
more!
Best wishes. ONU.
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Topic RE: Lucifer. posted
by Anonymous User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Good morning. I always thought the word 'Easter' was derived
from the Saxon Goddess EOSTRE who is and was celebrated around
the spring equinox.
Topic RE: Lucifer. posted
by JK User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 09:57 AM
Hi ONU,
I was thinking about what you said about Lucifer
representing the perfect man and how in Xtian cosmology
this would be Christ as the 2nd or perfected Adam, and to
the Kabbalists, Adam Kadmon.
Another Christ/Lucifer/Ishtar connection in mundane life
may be the holiday of Easter which is named after Ishtar.
The Jews did not have Easter but the crucifixion story
happened around passover, corresponding to Easter being known
to the Jews as a neighbouring Pagan festival of Ishtar
from where the eggs of fertility come and possibly also
the hot cross buns ?:
Jeremiah 44:19 "And when we burned incense to the queen of
heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her
cakes to worship her.."
Best regards,
JK
Topic RE: Lucifer = Ishtar
posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 04:31 PM
Thanks to you and to all who replied directly to me on this
posting. I am approaching Lucifer as a means of liberation, not
Satan as usually promoted in Xtianity - in particular as an
embodiment of light/dark - an incorporator of life and beings in
all their facets and manifeststion - liberation being, arguably,
a transdence of this opposite/polar thinking and being. I will
follow up the references and suggestions re:Ishtar, Babalon and
the Egyptian pantheon. I appreciate the summary of
practices/disciplines given in this thread also. Another line of
enquiry might be Blavatsky on Lucifer. Lots for me to think
about. Best wishes.
Topic Lucifer. posted by
ONU (Draconuit. User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 02:22 PM
Greetings; Having cogitated on recent info, I'm looking at this
vista.
Gods emanations; The ArchAngels, have independent thought, that
they do love, an Angel knows only of love, though an Angel may
be of Martial nature,He adores The Creator. God's best Angel,
presuming Himself equal, is cast down from The Supernal Heavens.
He must have been a part of sphere 3, The Great Mother,
Ishtar-Babalon. As light bearer, His logical station would be at
sphere 6; Tiphareth, sphere of The Son/sun.
It is written that, as Lucifer did fall, The Beast did rise, It
had 10 heads,( Spheres on the tree of Life?) and 7 crowns,(
Planes on the Tree?) and is also referred to as The
Dragon.(technically,
the Dragon with a small voice, or horned Dragon, comes after The
Beast, 'finishing off'. Blake's paintings portray The Dragon as
destroying The xstian Church. Re: The Bible/W. Blake.)
If we consider sphere 6 as The True Soul of Man, and 'The Beast'
as Man at full potential, we have Man. Lucifer being another
term for
The Christ-self, The Atman, The Holy Guardian Angel or whatever
your belief structure word. That's simply my personal musing on
the subject, one viewpoint, 'a bit of a chat' no more. Best
wishes.
Topic Lucifer. posted by
ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Hi J.K, The Ritual: 'The marriage of Babalon and Lucifer' has
been pulled, tucked away.
The concept I get, that Lucifer,as man, The very best of God's
independant creations, relates to the Egyptian " Asar-un-Nefer."
This is is the perfected self, inner self of the higher self,
the true will. Here, the word 'God', is a stain, an
imperfection, and
all illusion must cease, including the illusion of God, for
there is only ones-self.
To consider evolution ; Lucifer seems intertwined with 'The
Beast'
further/later being identified with the accuser of evil souls,
Satan, 'though to my mind, they're different entities.
This forum has clarified that Satan is a Holy force of devine
justice, and, as I was just reading, Lucifer, the bright morning
star, is a name for Jesus Christ...also 'Baphomet' is said to
be a later development of Lucifer.
I'm currently content, on the Human relationship angle, to
consider Lucifer as The perfection of Man. As Babalon is as
Woman
fully empowered, the marriage of these, being a certain symetry.
As a young man, I took two Magickal names, The Luciferian name
meaning that human/demon me, controlled and become as of the
light.
Taken to the utmost, Asar-un-Nefer, is good enough, though new
information might arise, opening new possibilities. Happy
hunting!
Topic Lucifer. posted by
ONU (Draconuit.) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 08:36 AM
Hi J.K, not rambling at all!
Yeh, I've read of 'Lucifer =Christ. Remember, of the 13 dead sea
scrolls found, only 5 were used , apparently, ignoring
knowledge,E.G. of re-incarnation. Then the translation from
Hebrew
was butchered: You can't blame xstianity on Christ!
The ancient city of Babylon; 2,300-612 b.c. was the centre of a
flourishing empire, now in Al Hillah; Iraq.
The most popular Goddess of The Assyro-Babylonian Panthean was
Ishtar, patron of the famouse Ishtar gate.
She is the counterpart of the Semitic Goddess Astarte, who is, I
believe, a Star Goddess.
The Greeks worshipped Her as Aphrodite, and Hera! Aphrodite
being Astral, the Daughter becoming into actuality, whereas Hera
is a 'High Goddess, spiritual Great Mother, of The Supernal
region.
She was worshipped as of fertility, sexuality, but also of war
and
death, also she was the guardian of prostitutes,and was
worshipped
with sacred prostitution.
Putting this together: If you picture a sphere, the top half
could be seen as Nuit, Infinite Space and the Infinite stars
thereof, the bottom of the sphere can be seen as the
manifestation of Nuit, as Babalon, a concrete form, a Great
Goddess, who,having
given birth to All, at Binah, as Great Mother, accepts All,
when the time comes, refusing none. Hence 'the great whore.'
In th 1940's, seven scrolls were found, in Egyptian caves.
'Ishtar' was what we now understand to be Babalon. She dwells
just on the other side of The Abyss, and is actually able to
descend below, to redeem. She speaks in profound, above Abyss
ways; " I was sired by my husband, who is my son." This does
make
sense, from Her point of view. This 4,000 yr. old Goddess, has
at last come into Her own, as Woman in Her full, vibrant
potential,
A most relevent Goddess of our New age. To recap: Ishtar, is
alive and becoming ever more Glorious, now known as 'BABALON The
Great' 'Our Lady' of Thelemism.
Right on target, there, J.K. I wonder how you pieced it
together?
There are some High Thelemites, including Lon Milo DuQuette, who
lodge in Arizona. They are mainly of Chesed, The sphere of The
Teachers, they write new Rituals, I'll settle down to research,
find the ritual; " The marriage of Lucifer and Babalon." I'll
write
what I find; I guess these guys will have interesting takes on
this. Nice to know you've got your teeth into something juicy, I
need to know more of this! You sure ain't rambling, fellow
seeker,
more later.Light, Life, Love and Liberty to All.
Topic Christ as Morning Star
posted by JK User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Hi, Just me rambling again:
Whilst checking my concordance for Lucifer/Morning star I also
found these
Bible references to Christ as the Morning Star. Jesus=Lucifer ?
A question
for Draconuit, what do you think of the Ishtar/Lucifer theory ?
Is there
any correspondence to the Thelemic Nuit or Babalon ?
-JK
2Pet.1
[19] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do
well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark
place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your
hearts:
Rev.22
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these
things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of
David, and the bright and morning star.
Topic RE: Lucifer = Ishtar/Goddess ?
posted by RP User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 09:38 PM
Yep - just as I thought! The postings on this
Topic are bullshit!! this will piss you but I'm saying nothing!
Hehee
Topic Lucifer = Ishtar/Goddess ?
posted by JK User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 09:30 PM
Ishtar is a Goddess, not a God, sorry.
and the morning star is Venus, corresponding
to Aphrodite, Sexual love, etc, so the
Goddess come into it too.
JK
Topic Lucifer = Ishtar
posted by JK User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 09:20 PM
Hi Plisskin,
My understanding is that Lucifer as a god is actually the
babylonian Ishtar and not connected to 'Satan'. By way
of explanation below:
Contrary to the popular xtian myth of the Devil which is not
scriptural, Judaism has no devil, no embodiment of evil who
tempts
us. Satan means adversary/accuser as in Numbers 22:22 where
the LORD himself is represented as an adversary (Satan). Same
as in I Samuel 29:4 and II Samuel 19:23, etc.
The idea of Satan as a kind of prosecuting attorney for God
comes
from the book of Job which is allegorical, and the word used is
Ha'Satan, a title which refers to a definite being or person, in
this case the angel God uses/allows to test Job, and who NEVER
'rebels' against God. He just does his job in the scheme of
things
like the angel of Death.
The idea that Lucifer is Satan and they are the same or aspects
of
the same, and that they are a 'fallen' angel comes mainly from
Isaiah 14:12, where the 'Bright, Shining Star, Son of the
Morning..'
has been translated into the Latin 'Lucifer' meaning Shining
One.
The verse refers to the Babylonian King by symbolically linking
him
to the Babylonian god Ishtar whom the writers/translators of the
Bible
do not name so as to avoid giving him any credence. Also this
continued
practice in modern Bibles keeps alive the Fallen angel story.
To better understand Lucifer, go to the source who is Ishtar.
Best, JK
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Topic Luciferian. posted
by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Hi Plisskin.
I'm incarnate entirely as Thelemite. The Book of The Law, by A.
Crowley was transmitted to Him as The Prophet of 3 Egyptian
Gods.
It is beautiful, and scary. Much of Crowley's writings seem
dark, scary, to (a) scare off the unworthy. (b) Insure noteriety
that His detractors will want His works in print, to show how
'wicked' He was, and (c) to explore the full potential of The
God that is within Man. The Religion is profoundly esoteric,
with 4 levels of meaning carefully concealed within The Holy
Books.
To appreciate them, One should have knowledge of Meditation,
contemplation, one-pointedness, The Qaballa, and The procession
of Egyptian Gods. An A-Z of Magickal practise may be found in:
'Magick' by A. Crowley. A good book in a decent Magickal
library. Some works are full of 'blinds', to conceal the
profound
Holy nature within. The moral stance is that each man/woman
discovers their OWN true will, I.E. The True Inner Soul, or Holy
Guardian Angel, thereby being in communion with Ones Higher, or
God self. At this point of Adepthood, one's vision is clear, and
One's true destiny revealed. Obviously a great deal of work
then, and for only a specific type.Yet here, you find the joyous
release of Woman
liberated, the understanding that We are all light bearers, we
just have to remove the veils, and see The beautiful Star that
is within every one of us. Perhaps there is something there for
you Plisskin. That's as far as I can go, dear fellow seeker, for
we are entirely anti-dogmatic; look at the xstians dogmatic
system.
I don't blame xstianity on The Master Jesu, yet I see a
foulness, which would not go down too well with any xstian
snoops who (Probably are) reading. Out with The Old Aeon, in
with The glorious New Aeon! Let us discard our shackles, and
stand tall, breathing
deep of The sweetly scented starlight, as more and more of us
are born, born to one day be of The Gods!
Love, Light, Life and Liberty to All.
Topic RE: Lucifer posted
by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 06:59 AM
Me again - and thanks for the responses so far. Would anyone
like to suggest some sources for me to look into. I am only
aware of Lucifer through reading wikipedia, the Bible and LaVey
- I don't recall where I ipickedup on the "Light Bearer" aspect
- it might have been Carl Jung or a book on the Sufis. When I
asked SA they referred to Blavatsky (who I've never read) and to
LHP Practitioners. Any enlightening suggestions gratefully
received.
Topic RP's Universal Truth.
posted by ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Please, Dear Brother/Sister, explain your viewpoint.
Apparently, most people are 'way off the mark' indicating your
knowledge of a Universal Truth. If you describe Thelemite/O.T.O.
ceremonies, best to check copyright first.
What is this knowledge We cannot understand? Will you at least
attempt to explain your wisdom?
Or do you conceal your knowledge, dissuading others from
learning truth, as do many others I have met.
"Hell always begins with the ego."
Awaiting your kind words of wisdom. Thankyou.
Topic Lucifer. posted by
ONU User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 08:09 PM
Hi Pliskin 42.
By chance,(?) I took a similar path, worshiping The Egyptian Sun
God; Ra, I identified with the incarnate light-bearer, Lucifer.
Indoctrinated by xstian schools, I had to actively destroy these
warped ideas, these smokescreened fear-control devices created
by xtianity, taking more years than I care to recall, until I
could
stand; a free Man, able to view our world in clarity.
Good for you, Plisskin, I don't preach, only state universal
truths, historic fact, and, in my belief that you should enjoy
your unique path, with aid, not preaching, I'll say no more, as
our paths
are close at this juncture, I do not wish to taint your path
with my own conception.
One does confess a certain 'excitement' that you have found
this,
and do wish you sincere best wishes in your path.
Love, Light, Life and Liberty to All.
Topic Lucifer. posted by
ONU (Draconuit) User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 07:44 PM
Dear R.P.
Would you be so kind as to share your viewpoint, in brief, on
Lucifer? I only know of Lucifer and His story in The Bible, what
is the diffuculty?
Have you studied/practised The Exquisitely beautiful Ritual of
The Marriage of Lucifer and Babalon?
It does delight, that, after thousands of years of being
reviled, kept in darkness, the now, very pertinant Babalon, and
Lucifer
Bearer of Light, are taking their proper place in The Order of
things.
Are you talking about the diffuculty deconditioning ones-self
from societies norm? Lucifer=Light bearer, a friend to/humanity.
Is this'diffuculty in understanding' similar to misunderstanding
The Lord Shaitan,(Satan) who is a Thelemite Deity, Prosecuter
for The Crown, giver of knowledge to Mankind, etc. ?A Great and
Holy God.
Please do explain, as able, I am always willing to learn, yet
only recall incenses, The Glorious Ritual mentioned,as Lucifer,
having been of Humanity, ascends again.
Looking forward to your opinions. Lets Evolve!
Topic RE: Lucifer posted
by RP User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 06:25 PM
unfortunately this is the most misunderstood aspect of occultism
- only long serious study will result in what you seek. I would
guess that most of the postings will be way off the mark
Topic Lucifer posted by
Plisskin42 User
posted on June 10, 2008 at 01:44 PM
I'd be interested in hearing from people about Lucifer. I am
interested in developing myself using Lucifer as a focus. From
the little I know so far I am defining Lucifer here as an aspect
of myself/archetype who is the bringer of light - its liberation
I'm after - liberation from my Xist conditioning and for my
creative self. I am not into Satanism where this is the opposite
of Christianity, I'm not into cursing or posturing - this is a
genuine desire on my part to tune into a creative potential in
myself. I'd be grateful for any thoughts/comments from those of
you out there.
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Topic RE: magical defence against swin flu
posted by kimball User
posted on July 28, 2009 at 11:40 AM
THANKS D
Topic RE: magical defence against swin flu
posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 23, 2009 at 09:09 AM
edited on July 23, 2009 at 09:10 AM
Hi all, I am appending some replies Marabas has given to emails
on the subject:
Apart from the use of Four Thieves Vinegar
(see here) Marabas advises regular
use as soon as symptoms are felt of Biochemic Ferous Phos.x 6
tablets which highly oxygenate the blood and disables viruses
from forming or attenuates the severity of any which do get in.
Ferous Phos tablets can be obtained from any good wholefoods
store or larger Boots
chemist shops.
The use of
menthol crystals Stockcode H242 (i.e. genuine menthol, not
mentholated sweets) during
flights or in areas where there may be swine flu carriers. Just
break off
an eighth of an inch from a crystal and keep in the mouth
allowing it to permeate your lungs
and throat.
Make a magic soup comprising one Umeboshi Plum + a tspn of
grated ginger + a tablespoon of soy sauce. Put into one pint of
water and bring to a
simmer. Mix in one desertspoonful of arrowroot powder and simmer
ntil the liquid thickens.
Strain and drink a cupful three times a day. Umeboshi is a
special Japanese relish
which alkalaises the blood combatting the
acidic nature of the blood when illness takes it over. Most
whole-food shops stock Umeboshi plums, Sainsbury's do a pureed
form of it.
These are perhaps the best options, though the use of Four
Thieves Vinegar on face-masks would be
ideal and give 24 hour protection.
Naturally these are Marabas's personal ideas and you try them at
your own risk. If you are
unsure always see a quack for a proper diagnosis.
BB
Denise W.
Topic Swine flu posted by
HeadsAkimbo User
posted on July 20, 2009 at 12:34 AM
I`d like to know aswell, Wasn`t M working on some sort of
alternative to Tamiflu when Bird flu was being worried about?
Topic magical defence against swin flu
posted by kimball1 User
posted on July 18, 2009 at 11:21 AM
could four thieves viniger all so protect against swine flu.
Any takers on this
Topic
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Topic RE: Magical Oils
posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on May 13, 2009 at 02:25 PM
edited on May 14, 2009 at 01:12 PM
Without a doubt High John the Conqueror is the one.I have used
it many a time for fighting off SORN declarations to work
disciplinarys,make sure you have a decent Union Rep as well.Good
luck.
[Infoburst: Thanks for that Imperial Wizard, after far too many
years working here than I want to admit I can concur that High
John The Conqueror Oil B300 is probably one of our most
effective oils for anything to do with litigation, legal
contest, job problems, tribunals, and any other legal or
official matters of judgement. And it is so easy to apply it.
More details on B300 can be seen here. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Magical Oils
posted by stressednworried User
posted on May 12, 2009 at 06:10 AM
edited on May 12, 2009 at 09:02 AM
I tried before ordering to send a query Email but it came back
as undeliverable in my Email box.
I rang but it was an automated line for placing orders. It was
the weekend and I don't know if it usual, or whether in normal
hours you can get through to someone directly.
[Infoburst: Then you must have misaddressed it because all our
email urls are alive and kicking. It is important for people in
a state of anxiety to double check everything they do to make
sure they do not assist the negative energies to bring then to
an illogical or incorrect conclusion which is unneccessarily to
their detriment. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Magical Oils
posted by Marty User
posted on May 11, 2009 at 09:13 AM
Hi, did you not ask for advice prior to ordering your oils?
Contact the SA direct and they will advise what is best for you
in your situation. They can help you better by knowing the full
story and don't worry about them judging you as they don't and
are very professional and discreet.
Good luck.
Topic Magical Oils posted
by stressednworried User
posted on May 10, 2009 at 03:01 PM
edited on May 12, 2009 at 09:09 AM
I'm worried because I've found out that I've got a formal
hearing at work that my boss has brought against me.
I want things to go in favour and I've been looking for
something that I can use to help. As I've only got a few days to
the hearing I needed something that would help immediately with
the siutation.
I have ordered High John the Conqueror Oil, Commanding oil,
Double fast luck oil and protection oil.
Has anyone used these oils and had success with them and also
does anyone know of anything else that might help me, and if it
is OK to use a number of oils together for a situation.
Thanks
It is natural for people who are stressed to seek reassurance
but at some point you MUST have faith and rely on it if you want
to get the best results. Questioning everything can become
counterproductive, particularly asking whether magic works or
not because it puts one belief into suspension and that's a sure
recipe for failed magic. Marty (below) is right, if you were
unsure you should have got in touch with me for advice before
committing yourself and I would have ensured your best approach.
However you have intuitively chosen High John Oil a smidgin of
which should be put on the back of each document or letter
relating to your hearing. Additionlly one drop in the palm of
each hand prior to attending any hearing. Contact me privately
at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk for more advice
if you need it. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Magic for creative purposes
posted by Cherry Ripe User
posted on September 14, 2009 at 05:53 PM
Thanks, Denise, my partner tells me we have both OEXPs and (he
thinks) the oil as well; not sure about the CD. I will look into
all of these.
Thanks again,
Cherry
Topic Magic for creative purposes
posted by Cherry Ripe User
posted on September 07, 2009 at 10:15 PM
edited on September 08, 2009 at 09:23 AM
Hello
I am currently working on a novel which is going to involve a
major rewrite at some point, and while I have established a
relationship with a relevant god form, I have not taken it very
far (yet?)
I wonder if anyone else has done any form of working aimed at
helping them with a creative project: eg, a painting, story,
poetry, etc.? If so, would be interested in hearing more.
Regards,
Cherry
[INFOBURST: Hi Cherry, Yes there's a LOT you can do to improve
the vivacity, verve, depth of understanding and psychology of
your characters. The first thing for those who are not into
ceremonial is to use
Creative Muse Oil B142 which has an excellent track record in
producing that 'rightness' of mind for all forms of artistic
creativity. Secondly you should download Marabas's
OEXP100
Working with Godforms and also
OEXP103
Power and Personality Thru Evocation which will enable you
to 'become' the characters you create and experience their
lives, emotions and thinking. Thirdly you should use Marabas's
Man
Know Thyself Pathworking lesson on CD which gives you a
very powerful exercise in vitalised imagination which you can
use time and time again to set and re-set your plots to see if
and how they work. These exercises and recommendations are ones
Marabas has given VIP actors and authors in the past and they
have worked wonders for them.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic RE: Magick Mirror
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on September 06, 2009 at 01:42 PM
edited on September 29, 2009 at 08:52 AM
Also if it is used as Mirror of Hathor and painted black, can it
not then be used with Universal Accumulator Fluid for
Protection, etc?
[INFOBURST: The S.A. Magick Mirror can be used for skrying
purposes and also in a separate magical operation as a magical
lens to either transmit or 'capture' negative or/and positive
psychic energy. You can't use both operations (divination and
projection) at once but you can clean the mirror (see
instructions that came with it) and 'reprogram' for either. Full
details of how to do this are contained in the
How
To Make and Use Magick Mirrors book. A Black Mirror of
Hathoor is simply another method of creating a magic mirror in
which a black gloss reflective surface is painted on instead of
the polished surface which comes with the S.A. Magic Mirror.
Magically there is no difference as when used for projecting
energies the black coating should have acumulator in it anyway.
For divination purposes I prefer the reflective surface as it
comes; but some like the black surface better. If you don't have
success with the original reflective surface then black it and
see if it imrpoves your skill.
BB DeniseW]
Topic Magick Mirror posted
by ethericsoul User
posted on September 06, 2009 at 12:32 PM
edited on September 08, 2009 at 09:12 AM
I am a bit confused; is the mirror meant to be looked at like
say looking at a football, or should it be the side where it
dips in, as in the Brass Sorcerers' Apprentice Mirror?
I am just getting to grips with this. Also if I brush on
Universal Accumulator Fluid onto the Brass will it spread all
over or will it form into a puddle in one place, so to speak?
Also interesting to hear anyone else's experience with this
Magick Mirror...'
[INFOBURST: Because you've paid for the
S.A. Magic Mirror you get technical aftersales advice like this
for free and it is best done by emailing us direct so we can
reply more fully and more confidentially than on the public
forum. However,succinctly; as it says in the instructions you
use the concave side of the mirror - where it dips in - for
skrying. The Accumulator coating only has to be thinly painted
on and any excess which pools should be wiped off. You do not
need to apply this coating if you are only going to use the
mirror for divination purposes.
I use a magic mirror frequently and in my opinion they are far
more magically effective both for divination and for
'programing' than a crystal ball or other speculum.
If newcomers want to know all there is to know about Magic
Mirrors then our unique book
How
to Make and Use Magic Mirrors gives the secret background
and applications and is on special offer at the moment. BB
DeniseW]
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posted by Paul User
posted on January 05, 2010 at 05:11 PM
Hi Denise
Yes it does sound as though I may be getting the two mixed up
(such is the way when you dont know too much about a subject!).
I am more interested in the shamanic shape shifting side,
probably incorporating hallucinogens (peyote, fly agaric etc).
From a northern European perspective Norse (Berserkers etc) or
Celtic specifically.
I thought that the medieval witch trials did have a grain of
truth though?
Can you suggest any books that SA might have in stock that might
help?
Thanks
Paul
Topic Magic Salve for Transformation
posted by Paul User
posted on December 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM
edited on December 18, 2009 at 02:16 PM
Hi All
I am researching shapeshifting. Can anyone help me with the
ingredients required for the magic salve in such rites? Or any
books that might be of use?
Do SA have any info/lessons/books? I am after the ingredients
and preparations, rather than just purchasing a ready made
salve.
Thanks very much
Cool Yule to one and all!
Paul
[INFOBURST: Hi Paul. By 'Magic Salve' I am supposing you are
referring to traditional Flying Ointments? If so then you've
confused things. M says that most recipes for Flying Ointments
were gleaned from witch-trials and are suspect. Usually
containing powerful narcotic drugs such as Henbane, Aconite,
Datura and a carrier ointment of fat (fat carries the active
ingredients into the bloodstream). These plants were common
constituents of natural anaesthetics used to limit pains when
setting bones etc. They were also highly hallucinogenic if taken
internally and aided in both astral visions, clairvoyance,trials
of strength etc.
The problem with them is that the active ingredients are SO
toxic and the raw materials so varied in potency that users can
poison themselves. For example. M says a tenth of a gram of
aconite root will kill a rat dead in ten seconds. A tenth of a
gram is a very, very,very small amount. SO BE SENSIBLE AND DON'T
TRY IT!
It would be illegal for any occult shop to sell such a thing and
if you see Magical Salves or Flying Ointments listed it is a
good indication that the purveyors are either Snake Oil salesmen
or worse.
Shape shifting on the other hand is a magical method of evoking
the mamilian brain to link with the intelligence of another
creature. Ancient shamans did this before a hunt to anticipate
the decisions and whereabouts of their prey and it is also part
of the totem-tribal system. Marabas has not yet written about
this because it is highly compex and too easily misunderstood by
the non-initiated.
BB DeniseW]
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posted by Anonymous User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Give it a go!. Be that Imerial Wizard!
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic Franz Bardons Practice of Evocation
posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Anyone out there actually tried an evocation out of this book
and if so what results occured ?
More to the point what about theses pacts you can make with
positive and negative beings is it plausable, surely one of the
greatest Occultists of the last century can't be bullshitting.
I'm still wading through Initiation into Hermetics.
Topic RE: magic posted by
Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 05:33 PM
FULL of good advice and NO sense of HUMOUR - reader beware!!!
Topic RE: magic posted by
Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 01:52 AM
OK; not sure what bananas have to do with anything, but if that
was a crack, no wonder this person chose to hide their identity.
To be productive (which is why I think this site is here) How do
you know if you can perform magic? You FEEL it. For me, it is
like the swirling of air when the energy is right. Magic is not
like twitching your nose and something happens immediately.
There is so much more to it and you would benefit from live
training. Regarding
what makes your magic more powerful and what weakens it, power
comes from you-witchcraft is not like Reiki where the energy
comes from somewhere else and blesses you along the way. So if
you are well and focused, you probably going to have a pretty
good outcome. If you are sickly and scattered, your outcome will
probably be disappointing. I do not know how many types of magic
exist, however, I can say it is better to be true to a few
"trades" than to be just a "jack of all".
I believe that all energy and life has a corresponding color AND
tone (sound) so I believe your answer is yes. However, I would
find it very difficult to believe that anyone alive today could
authenticate any knowledge of "the very first magic ever used".
It is my belief that anyone can perform magic-it is like
learning a trade. Some will be more suited to it, learn faster
and perhaps have a better display of ability. But the potential
is there for all. I do not believe that age has anything to do
with the awakening of powers.
I hope you find this information productive/helpful and find a
good teacher that blessed you with knowledge. Don't stop asking
questions. -Love and Light, Patti
Topic RE: magic posted by
Anonymous User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 07:55 PM
Thirty Questions ..! I have a question for you! ''bananas''
Topic magic posted by
pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 05:02 AM
how can i know if i can do magic?what makes your magic more
powerful and what weakens it?how many types of magic exist?can
the very first magic that was ever used and the magic of
demons,fairies and angels used be put in colors?who can do magic
and who doesnt?does magic and spy abilities always awake when
you are 13?
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posted on February 11, 2008 at 05:05 PM
So Aster51, where's your contact details then?
Topic VALENTINES DAY
posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on February 10, 2008 at 05:51 PM
Currently I am free and single so if there are any magically
emanicipated ladies who do not live to far away to travel to or
from Birmingham who would like a date then I am willing to make
myself available. I am interested in Paganism and Ceremonial
Magic and Yoga and am becomeing increasingly keen on developing
myself in these areas though I am not a Thelemite I have always
thought highly of Aleister Crowley but have always thought it
important to find ones own way rather than be a follower of
others. I would appreciate meeting traditional or modern
witches, lady ceremonial magicians, lady Thelemites, Ladies into
Yoga or Tantric techniques or at least ladies who appreciate
male occultists.
Topic My Valentine Message for 2008 from
United States posted by Aster51 User
posted on February 07, 2008 at 06:47 AM
I have met very nice blokes from far and away and I wish to
visit with them in the future. Do not laugh, this year is the
year. Yes,yes and yes to your queries because I will be free to
date and this heartache is taking a very long time. I am not
patient but I am willing to believe in love; do you still
believe in love? My new heart felt name and initials AMS.
Topic A forum?? posted by
DefyGravity User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 04:04 PM
I only just found out SA had a forum,what a good idea!
Anyway, this make contacts for Spring idea, how does it work?
Whats the best thing to post in this thread? Or is this enough?
LOL
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posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 09:38 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:49 AM
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Topic MAKE VALENTINE CONTACTS FREE HERE
posted by Denise W User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 08:29 AM
Hi everyone! Spring is on it's way, the birds are getting frisky
and we should join in. For the next several weeks we are going
to relax the Forums usual No Contact Adverts rule to allow
people of like minds to place a FREE Valentine or Advert for a
Date in this thread and celebrate the fluxing of the green.
There's a Jack for every Jill (or Arthur for every Martha!) so
we hope some life-long partnerships will ensue. Enjoy! BB
Denise.
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Topic RE: Appendix to previous comment
posted by Sara User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 04:08 PM
please would an experienced initiate please help "Stargirl"? she
has posted her love problem and needs our input
Topic Appendix to previous comment
posted by Draconis343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 09:39 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 01:01 PM
Greetings. Denises comments are concise, precise, to my
mind/viewpoint. An adisor reminds me that all levels from
beginner onward, will read these viewpoints. I'll see how the
forum evolves, and perhaps contribute in as prudent a form as
possible. Excellent creation, Brother Marabus!And thanks for 27
years invaluable aid to my path.
The Lamp of Thoth was excellent for it's time , how you've
evolved! sincere best wishes; may all attain! AUM HA!
Topic Genuine occultists
posted by Draconae343 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 02:51 PM
There are a lot of high Adeptii and Masters out there who have
no desire for fame; The opposite, all ego hinderence is
destroyed; We collect you when it is time.
Topic RE: Making Contact with other
occultists posted by Denise User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 08:40 AM
I can commiserate with you Feeorin, Marabas teaches that the
most important decisions are not what type of magic to use to
get your desire but whether your desire will really bring you
the fulfilment of your destiny as you expect. He quotes the joke
about a bloke helping an old lady across the road. She turns out
to be a witch and gives him a wish for his troubles. Mext
morning bloke wakes up to find a 12" pianist plonking away at
the foot of his bed - the punchline is far too rude to include
here! Of course there has to be an exchange of energies to
acquire knowledge. The idea that you can get it for free means
someone will have their time wasted sooner or later. This goes
completely against false modern ideas of the occult which hold
that you must not charge for occult skills or knowledge. This
results in really nice and responsible people like yourself
having their time and knowledge wasted. Initiates all know the
hard fact that unless the newcomer sacrifices something (money
or effort) they will devalue and not maximise the knowledge or
skill. Next time make 'em work for it and give them a copy of
Goethe's Faust to mull over ;-) BB Denise
Topic RE: Making Contact with other
occultists posted by Feeorin User
posted on December 12, 2007 at 07:20 PM
Hi there,
Your so right about trying to find genuine occultists, I had a
friend approach me a while back to help her find her footing in
the craft, so I did the best I could to give her a broad
specturm of all aspects. Its fair to note at this point that
there was no coven arrangement just one mate passing info to
another mate! she no longer bothers to come down, in the last
few weeks when she did pop over she did everything to avoid even
discussing it!, so I can well believe that genuine covens have
tried and tested methods of finding genuine practioners! I wish
them all the best with it too! I have decided since that i wont
be so keen to help anyone who is interested in the craft, other
than to lend them the odd book and give them links to websites
and suppliers! its all very frustrating!
Sorry if im ranting, but i feel that after struggling to find my
own way its a shame that i wont be so keen to help someone else.
Has anyone else found that this happens alot!
Feeorin xxx
Topic Making Contact with other occultists
posted by Denise User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 03:00 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 01:00 PM
Making contact with other occultists these days is often TOO
easy but there are so few groups about with a genuine lineage
who are run by true initiates. In many starter groups the only
difference between your knowledge and that of your 'leader' may
be the half a dozen more books he has read than you have!
A genuine coven will expect certain things from you,
particularly an understanding of the history of the craft
(ancient and modern)and may well give you a bibliography of
books you must read before they will even consider investing
time in beginning to train you.
After all, anyone who asks to join a coven who doesn't know
about the history of their chosen belief is obviously unprepared
and has little foresight. If you come across any group who is
eager to train you then my advice would be to become suspicious
because they could very well waste your time. The very first
thing you need to do to put you in the picture I would say, is
to read Marabas's Guide to Paganism, Witchcraft and Shamanism
which was specifically written to safely direct people like
yourself towards genuine paganism and witchcraft. You can
download this book in ebook form right now from
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/paguide.htm - it has saved
many people lots of tears and will certainly give you a
different perspective to that you will find in most of the pagan
forums.
Once you have been initiated by a group they will have your
'measure' and
changing boats in mid-stream will then be more difficult than
you might at first imagine.
Take care and choose sensibly; the objective is to get close to
Gaia for she is the greatest teacher of all. You can begin this
now without membership of any group or coven and reach far
enough into the mysteries by worshiping alone to begin with.
There's no rush until you are absolutely ready.
BB
Denise W.
Topic Making Contact with Genuine Occultists
posted by Eagleclaw User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 02:37 PM
How can I make contact with a coven - I want to learn all about
pagan practices and become a witch? BB Eagleclaw
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posted by David User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 11:31 AM
edited on April 29, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Hi Scott,
I have a book I think is pretty good and comprehensive
(anyone agree or differ ?)called Complete book of Witchcraft
by Raymond Buckland which the SA sells. I'm don't see myself
as a 'witch' but wanted a good handle on it and this book had
a lot for the price.
Best rgds,
David.
[Infoburst: David's intuition was bang-on. The Complete Book of
Witchcraft (Buckland) is a trustworthy practical introduction.
Buckland worked with Gerald Gardner 'the father of modern
witchcraft' before emigrating to the U.S. so he knows what's
what and the instructions are very easy to follow. More details
of contents and a buy-now button for instant purchase can be
found by going to www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm
and scrolling down the A-Z list to Complete Book of Witchcraft.
BB Denise]
Topic RE: Male beginner to Witchcraft
posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 26, 2008 at 09:13 PM
Speaking for myself, I would see the Lord and Lady in equal
balance rather than seeking to underscore one over the other.
Yin and Yang light and dark all equal and yet opposing
opposites
as above so below etc...
Topic Male beginner to Witchcraft
posted by Scott User
posted on April 24, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Dear Forum readers,
I feel very drawn to Witchcraft/Wicca and would like to
read more on self initiation, getting to experience the
God/Goddess and start a practice of the Craft.
I have seen a lot of books in highstreet stores and read
stuff on the internet, but would like recommendations from
the SA (and other non-fluffy experienced Pagans)on what to
read(and do) first; also, for a man, is the God given a higher
place in his personal work ?
Thanx, Scott
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Recordings posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 06:58 PM
Greetings RP
We do of course have master copies of all of Marabas's
interviews and appearances going right back to the start of the
S.A. but the pernicious nature of copyright in the media means
that we can only supply copies of these free of charge and for
genuine research. If you have an application like this then you
should contact me separately by email and explain
in detail so that Marabas can consider it. If any other forum
user has copies they should be aware that the BBC and ITV keep a
clutch of trained legal eagles permanently on staff to
specifically extract punitive costs from anyone who breaches
their copyright (no matter how slightly) and even if a law-suit
costs more than it gains. In my view someone aught to challenge
this unfair monopoly by mirroring interviews across the net but
the only times we have heard of this happening before came to
naught because most ISPs capitulate instantly to any threats
from the big media cartels.
I remember seeing the James Whale Show in which Marabas took
part along with guests Lindisfarne. Great viewing. Did you also
catch the one a few weeks later when MP Geoffrey Dickens
(key satan-hunter and ley preacher who helped start the Satanic
Ritual Abuse Myth in the U.K - he was the one who slandered the
S.A. in the house of commons under the guise of parliamentary
privilege [know what parliamentary privilege is? It's when any
manipulative prat like Dickens can lie to the British Nation any
time he likes because under parliamentary privilege you can't
sue him! That's democracy for you! ]) appeared on Whaley's show?
Marabas actually telephoned in to contradict Dicken's
impropaganda was put through and there was a really hot
head-to-head set-to between them on air which even exceeded
Whaley's niceties. Dickens just didn't know what to do and was
made to look like the bigoted liar he always was.
All the best
Denise W
Topic Marabas Cook Report James Whale
Recordings posted by RP User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 06:53 PM
Hi,
I am hoping that someone can help! Many years ago I recorded two
television programs which featured Fr.Marabas.The first was the
scandalous 'Cook Report' and the other was Yorkshire Televion's
'The James Whale show'.These were treasured until they were
accidentally recorded over by my wife a few years ago.
Are there any old hands out there who could replace these valued
documents whether on VHS or DVD? Obviously I would pay you for
your trouble.
Denise,
Perhaps the S.A could run me a copy? I am also interested in the
'Marabas Tapes' (C90's) that are no longer listed as stock. Can
you help?
Thanks
RP
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Topic Cults That Kill
posted by Denise W User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 06:53 PM
Hi Nimmo. You are right. I have had a word with Marabas for you.
He says that the photo on the front of this
tabloidesque pot-boiler audio-book is indeed him. The S.A. has
no connection with the book or any cults defamed in it. He
personally
thinks it an atrocious piece of Xist impropaganda and it would
be the
last thing he would put his name to but the gods were
having fun, as usual, in that the pic was one taken years before
by a
freelance press photographer who had been commissioned by one of
the
nationals to produce a pic for them for an article on the S.A.
(At that
time Marabas campaigned hard to get the genuine view of the
occult
across and often gave interviews - until he realised the
dishonourable
nature of the British Press. )
When 'professional' photographers do a shoot they often take
dozens
of shots in order to get the 'best'. If the photographer is a
STAFF
photographer all the extra 'unused' shots are the property of
the newspaper and go into their files - they can be used later.
If the photographer is a free-lance they go into
the photographers own files are or sold to a 'photo-library' and
are then hawked out to anyone for a fee. (you can see this kind
of thing going on if you check out so-called 'free photos' on
the net)
What happened with Cults that Kill was simply that years after
the original photo was taken the publishers of this audio-book
sought a
'dramatic' occult photo for the cover and bought this one from a
photo-library. I suppose they thought it was posed by a model or
was a pull from some TV or film snippet.
This all happened totally unbeknownst to Marabas who was only
alerted to the fact that it existed when a customer rang up and
said he had seen thousands of them at a give-away price in a
supermarket! Ironically the publishers actually went bust before
Marabas could sue them for misrepresentation!
As you might expect after so much publicity over the years (good
and bad) there is a fine store of appearances by Marabas in
print and on the broadcast media but most of these will never
see the light of day because of the pernicious
copyright restrictions put on interviews by the media. The words
of wisdom spoken by Marabas can never be used, even by himself!
However we do have original copies for posterity of all printed
media, audio-cassettes and videos of all the
interviews he has given for research and corroboration if any
serious application turns up and he has toyed with the idea of
simply re-recording his own interviews using stand-ins for the
BBC reporters etc. The problem is simply one of time - we have
so much going on here.
The large pentagram Marabas is shown holding in this picture was
a limited edition plasma-cut from iron which the S.A. was
selling at the time. Nice!
Hope this helps.
BB
Denise Wadsworth
Scribe to Marabas
Topic Marabas, cults book, Cook report
posted by Nimmo User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 01:10 AM
Just seen the following item on ebay
(www.ebay.co.uk, Item number: 370008483298)
which looks like Marabas. Am I right ?
It's an audio book called Cults that kill.
Does anyone know where the photo is from,
TV, book, etc ?
Made me think of the several times in the past
S.A has been on the TV, especially the Cook
Report with the hilarious Halloween mask
get away. Is this or other S.A TV appearances
from the past available for viewing/downloading
anywhere ?
Best, Nimmo.
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posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 31, 2008 at 01:15 PM
edited on August 05, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I noticed talk of Marabas doing online lessons and was wondering
if any dates had yet been decided and what level the lessns will
be aimed at.
[Infoburst: Hi Ricenpeas, It's still a long way away I am afraid
- pressure of work on M and his many other projects means that
it is being worked on piecemeal and will be some months yet. The
idea is not so much to provide lessons (our
OEXPS do that right now ) but to create a live 'lecture
room' / webcast where he can cover aspects of the occult at each
sitting and then end with a question-and-answer session which
everyone present can take part in. These lectures will cover
initiated aspects and will be aimed at Neophytes to Advanced
levels but be delivered in the usual plain language way that
Marabas has of getting his ideas across so even early beginners
can join in and learn from it all. We will announce the 'lecture
room' on this forum as soon as we can.
BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Marriage posted
by Alan User
posted on July 06, 2009 at 04:57 AM
I am in the same position as your partner. My girlfriend would
like to get married but I have zero interest in it. I love her
but hate the idea of all the formality. What if you put him in
a position which is not his true will (being married) and he
starts to resent it ? You might lose him altogether.
Topic Marriage posted by
Crowella Pescador User
posted on July 05, 2009 at 10:22 PM
edited on September 15, 2009 at 08:27 AM
My partner loves me ,he says he does and shows it. Not an
uncommon problem he won't discuss Marriage or even making a life
plan together.I've tried all practical methods now it time to
spell. Just not sure how I ought to target this any ideas
anyone?
Blessings,
Crow
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unique
Guide to using
Zodical Birth-sign oils here because relationship harmony is a
two-way current and you can often reach a better understanding
if you take each person's individual astrological proclivities
into account. This guide shows you how to do that and hopefully
your partner will soon realise that a permanent relationship is
in his and your best interests. BB
DeniseW]
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Topic RE: Meditation
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 12, 2009 at 11:10 PM
edited on January 13, 2009 at 01:25 PM
blah blah. M said what ? bs is bs .i didnot start this thread to
get into this crap .a simple (hey cool how are you) whould do
.dennise you liar were is my original message (SECRETS OF MIND
CONTROL)censorship (a partial view) .snake oil and all that shit
it aint that easy for most of us
[Infoburst: I think you've just proved my point about inability
to focus. It is too easy for people who cannot explain
themselves to blame others for not understanding them. Nobody
but you can portray your predicament. An inability to do so is a
symptom of lack of focus. This is the last time I will give you
the hint - LOOK WITHIN - that is where the answers to your
difficulties will be found. If you want in-depth help then goto
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/enquire.htm to see the
various paid services we offer, including a consultation with
Marabas. .
Additionally, I would have thought it obvious from the mere fact
that I am replying to your last message instead of deleting it
that we do not censor people's genuine views on this forum. If
you have a problem with anything related to the forum you can
always email me at denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
BB
Denise W.
Topic Meditation posted by
AnnB User
posted on December 30, 2008 at 05:34 PM
edited on January 07, 2009 at 10:03 AM
To reach the ultimate you must be prepared to give yourself and
not expect miracles I feel Denise is correct in your ingestion
of whatever is clouding your mind If it was easy to achieve that
perfect place what would be the point of it.
It would e just something everyone could achieve by remote
control as to turn on the tv. You appear to be in a maelstrom of
problems and expectations.
Try going for a walk look at the trees. Admire the world and
what it can give you perhaps then you will be on the right path.
and stop being confused and angry.Is the name Lazarus
significant to you in anyway Im not being unpleasant but trying
to help I cannotdo any of these walks but have a magnolia
outside my bedroom window which I watch withthe changes of
season and how it loves life
- Ann B
[Infoburst: Well said Ann, Marabas is fond of saying that Magic
is an Art, not a Science, but in today's world when everyone is
indoctrinated by an educational system controlled by the god of
science people naturally tend to focus on the mechanics of magic
rather than the overall view of their place in the scheme of
things. Marabas wrote his latest OEXP074
(MAGICK
VERSUS SCIENCE: How The Modern World was 'sold the shimmer' of
technology via the hypocrisy of so-called Scientific
Certainty ) specifically to free people's minds from the thrall
of relativist thinking and after reading it Lazarus would have a
better understanding of how magical experiences affect the whole
and why he is not progressing in his meditation/magical work .
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: meditation
posted by lazarus User
posted on December 29, 2008 at 01:40 AM
edited on December 29, 2008 at 06:13 AM
so what do you suggest kimball? please all suggestions
welcome.what was it like,satori i mean? isnt it like the
ultimate expirience? and can the desire to reach it hold you
back?
[Infoburst: You are not listening to what people are explaining
to you Lazarus and this suggests you have an inability to focus
mentally. I suspect an imbalance with your blood-brain barrier -
probably caused by diet/ingestion of chemicals - and you should,
as I advised at the first, LOOK WITHIN before jetting off at a
tangent on the assumption that your meditational technique is
the problem. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: meditation
posted by kimball User
posted on December 27, 2008 at 08:03 PM
I know what your going thouth. I got to satori once. but since
then it has never happen again. i know what the problem is and
sorting it out is going to take time which is annoying.
Topic RE: meditation
posted by AnnB User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 09:14 PM
Lazarus Whatever possesses you to feel so bad about yourself
people who wish to gain level in medication that is quietening
to you Give yourself a break. ai am I feel a lot older than you
so can find peace easier on a level.Take Care Blessings AnnB
Topic RE: meditation
posted by lazarus User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 06:24 PM
so how doeas this stuff work?why does it work for you and not
for me?respect to the people it does work for ,
Topic RE: meditation
posted by lazarus User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 06:06 PM
sorry my thank u was to annb, nice to know the world aint
populated by arseholes... other than me.
Topic RE: meditation
posted by lazarus User
posted on December 26, 2008 at 05:59 PM
so were does the point lye,thank u riceandpeaece for u responce
pease and love and all that shit. dennise why did you edit my
original messaage? no clue nothing bad said please is this a
open forum or not.
Topic Meditation posted by
AnnB User
posted on December 14, 2008 at 06:06 PM
Hello Lazarus Yes Meditation is hard trying concentrating on
your nose if you lose it, or the um sah is also helpful It is
harder for some than others but patience and discipline will
take you to wonderful things.
There are also guided meditation cds you can buy which guide you
soothingly through or join a group the energy produced is very
powerful and helps as other people are always joining so feel
the same problem. I am sending my energies to you hoping to help
when I am meditating We all go through this at all times so just
keep believing
Topic Meditation posted by
AnnB User
posted on December 14, 2008 at 06:04 PM
Hello Lazarus Yes Meditation is hard trying concentrating on
your if you lose it, or the um sah is also helpful It is harder
for some than others but patience and discipline will take you
to wonderful things.
There are also guided meditation cds you can buy which guide you
soothingly through or join a group the energy produced is very
powerful and helps as other people are always joining so feel
the same problem. I am sending my energies to you hoping to help
when I am meditating We all go through this at all times so just
keep believing
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lazarus User
posted on December 04, 2008 at 09:41 AM
edited on December 05, 2008 at 12:13 PM
hello all
new to this so be gentle.have been meditating now for about 2
months and things began well,settled into the meditation quite
easily but now things have gotten harder. i find it difficult to
focus on breathing,ego running amuck,visualization very
difficult(always was)and changing my centre of conscience seems
imposible(always did).i know persistance is the key and will
continue but just wondered if anybody had any advice.also can
the desire to reach satori make it harder to reach(if you know
what i mean),and what about the rosecross ritual could that
help.
thanks for reading
lazarus
[Infoburst: Hi Lazarus, The thing to keep in mind is that humans
tend to regularly interfere with the destiny the gods have
planned for them in many and various ways - so if any tested
magical method is not working then one should always look within
to see why first. The soul self cannot develop unless the
physical and mental self is rounded out in the process. If there
are some outstanding issues in your psychology, physical
situation, or health, then these things can hold you back but of
course in hindsight can be seen as a natural protection process
because impatient beginners tend to rush in where angels fear to
tread and until they round themselves out will be held back.
Thus if your meditation appears to have stalled come at it again
from another angle - try different methods of trance and
visualisation - all these things exercise mental focus in a
different way and could release you from your 'dry' period. Look
to your home situation etc. If you are unsure then you should
write to M for more advice. BB
Denise W.
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Topic Skrying. posted by
Draco. User
posted on March 30, 2008 at 08:18 AM
Hi, Well, hows about, cast a circle, banishing, protection as is
your way, having placed a triangle of art, outside the circle.
Why not form the triangle of card board, cling film rolls,e.g.
whatever, taping silver foil into triangle.
Declare yourself and mastery of the four elements, and Lord of
Spirit! ( Make sure you've 'felt tipped' the back,maybe front
too,of the triangle, with the Hexagram.) And summon the desired
spirit to manifestation.(Hexagram, two triangles= God, Mighty
symbol of,pentagram=Spirit of man ascending unto the six.)
Keep your sword, (or dagger.) and wand ready, some buggers try
to escape the triangle! Have fun!
Topic RE: mediumship seeing spirit methods
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 26, 2008 at 03:54 PM
just thought I would bump this back up.
Topic mediumship seeing spirit methods
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 11:52 PM
hi
Anyone have any tips on how best to open up to seeing or sensing
spirit more. I know this gift is there for I have seen them, but
want to enhance it more strongly. Are there any occult (simple)
rituals to do this as well as any mediumship routes to do this..
thanks
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Topic CCA REQUEST FIRST
posted by David Cameron User
posted on May 15, 2009 at 03:55 PM
On a more materialistic leval debts first need to be proved by
the creditor. Sure this will let you pay them if you wnat to but
.... It is surprising how many people are not aware of this.
When hassled by an aggressive debt coillector first ask them to
honour your CCA request. Without full and properly executed
documentation they 'cannot' enforce an alleged debt in court.
Many DCAs, WHO ARE VERY THICK PEOPE, cannot comply and this
means NO DEBT!
DONT JUST PAY UP LIKE SCARED LITTLE SHEEP.
COMSUMERS FORUMS KNOW FAR MORE THAN CITIZENS ADVICE B ABOUT THIS
ISSUE.
Topic Money Matters posted
by Selvyn User
posted on May 08, 2009 at 11:31 AM
edited on May 12, 2009 at 08:58 AM
Hi everyone,
As i am new to the ways of how magic works, i have a bit of a
money problem as in a credit card, i have put a stop to the
spending, but it is taking me some time to pay it off. I have
gotten Marabas's Candle-magic spell book to work the rite for
wealth, but it seems to specify only the object that is needed,
would it be possible to visulize my credit card with the ammount
of money been paid of or taken care of in this rite, so i can
stop worrying about this debt.
[Hi Selvyn, This is the kind of enquiry directly relating to
technical questions connected with S.A. goods, which should have
simply been directed to me at
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk rather than the
forum, but your answer would have been the same which is that it
is best always to specify your magical operations in order to
avoid ambiguity and lose the focus of your magic. Thus
specifying exactly what you need is a good idea, however if you
have difficulty in visualising something (such as the successful
clearance of your credit card bill) then you should seek for a
symbol, or picture or 'feeling' which encapsulates the result
you require. (E.G. visualise opening up a CC statement with zero
balance) Remember that the gods will always know what is in your
heart and mind no matter how inarticulate your magic and it is
not up to you to tell them how to accomplish it] BB Denise W
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Topic ^^ posted by
Bagenholt User
posted on December 24, 2009 at 03:34 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Either and or both. I've found it's more about how much you put
into the crafting than the props used. Follow your instincts,
create your own 'spell' from scratch. You're more likely to get
results that way unless it's a seriously 'old-school' ritual for
prosperity.
[Infoburst: Choose your words carefully Bagenholt for they will
always reveal the limitations of the utterer. Ritual
paraphernalia are not props, they are nemonic aids to focus and
compartmentise the mind of the magician or witch. They are an
indespensible aid to the safety of beginners and neophytes. To
suggest that magic is 'all in the mind' and urge the untutored
to make-it-all-up and follow their instincts is dangerous if
their instinct has been suppressed by decades of Xist
mind-control because what they conceive of as their instinct is
likely to be Pavlovian reflex. Your well-meant advice is typical
of the wishy-washy New Age approach to free-style magic based on
the idea that everything goes. That sort of casual intellectual
rigor clutters up and misguides 95 of the internet. It is based
on the misguided idea that magick is like science and is a
result of your educational indoctrination. Marabas teaches that
the universe is not a machine and things don't happen by
clockwork. It is all to do with how your soul enmeshes with the
various realities which surround us so you must be open to ALL.
People who do not understand any of this will waste their time
by going it alone but achieve great success if they use a
genuinespell like these ones here, instead.
BB, Denise W.
Topic money spell that works
posted by marie User
posted on December 21, 2009 at 10:15 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:26 AM
can anyone help me to find a spell as I am in need of help
please due to me and hubby being out of work due to ill health
and accident need one thats easy to do. can one be done with a
mirror or tarot card?
[infoburst: The gods do not give lazy-minded people anything so
asking for an 'easy' spell is tantamount to disaster. Marabas
teaches that part of the process of spellcasting is to transform
the operator (i.e. YOU) as well as the target. If you don't put
effort in you won't get success out. The mere act of making your
mind up to actually get to grips with your own destiny is the
first step to genuine magic so avoid like the plague anyone who
offers things that are 'easy'. Look at these
genuine spells.
Look
at this
genuine spellbook . And if you must have an amulet for
attracting wealth that requires very little input from the user
then consider the traditional
Chinese Golden Money Magnet which at least
works on positive cosmic principles. BB Denise W.]
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Topic Nasa to Bomb Moon today 9th October???
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on October 09, 2009 at 09:39 AM
edited on October 12, 2009 at 09:35 AM
Hiya
Will this bombing of the Moon effect the Moon's energies upon
the earth? I know this may be off
Topic for this site, but we do look to the Moon when it comes to
timings within the Occult. I thought if anyone would know then
it would be those with knowledge different to Science, so to
speak.
Thanks
[INFOBURST: You've swallowed the illusion that science is
all-powerful. In comparison with the goddess Nature science is a
piddling schoolboy pissing into the wind. Because the media and
government portray science as the magic wand to solve all of
humanities problems everything you hear or see involves the
lauding of science but what you don't see are the millions of
other instances where science fails society. The highly
expensive Tsunami warning system for example which satisfied
critics after science failed to predict the Indonesian Tsunami
which killed hundreds of thousands of people on Boxing Day 2004.
The people of the world put its faith in science a second time
and watched another thousand or so people die in Samosa even
with the 'warning' system in place. Vulcanology has been a
'science' for decades yet the billions of pounds wasted on it in
the hope of predicting eruptions has produced technology which
is only half as good as the early warning given by wild animals
who are more in tune with Nature and which do not form a drain
on resources. The entire fiction of the threat of Global Warming
is simply a gravy train for scientists and the governments who
control them and as Marabas says, is the equivalent of Ancient
Priests pawing through the entrails of chickens. The stupid idea
of crashing a rocket into the moon to create a dust cloud for
analysis was a dud and will remain a historical monument to the
idiocy of modern science. It will have no effect on the moon nor
us so don't worry.
Read:
OEXP074 MAGICK VERSUS SCIENCE here
BB DeniseW]
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Topic Arrangements? posted
by Julian Karswell User
posted on October 18, 2008 at 08:26 AM
If there's someone (or some people) on here you'd like to chat
with, why not arrange a time when you can both (all) be there?
Or post some times when you can be there in case someone wants
to chat with you?
Topic RE: chatroom posted
by Ipse User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 06:46 PM
edited on October 20, 2008 at 01:51 PM
Tried it 4 or 5 times now, but nobody is ever there lol
[infoburst: The idea is to arrange a meet with one or more forum
contributors at a pre-arranged time. Leave a message in this
thread saying that you will be available to chat at such and
such a time , say, every Friday night and then log on and chat.
Make sure you give the subject or thread you want to chat about
to interest other forum users. BB Denise W]
Topic chatroom posted by
rabbit User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 05:03 PM
Anyone here
Topic Chatroom. posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 03:13 AM
Hi,
What an excellent innovation! Not come across this before.
The potential is vast! I guess, direct discussion will lead to a
clearer understanding of viewpoints.
How generous of S.A. to provide this facility.
Thankyou,
Very Best Wishes,
888
Topic New Test Chatroom Now Open
posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 02:20 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 02:38 PM
Hi everyone. As promised we have set up the first chatroom which
is a kind of Outer Court discussion area for anyone on-line in
real-time. We'll see how it goes and if you like it there will
be other more specific chatrooms established where you can
actually discourse with Marabas himself. I will be popping in to
chat with whoever's on line from time to time too so See You
There!
Enter Outer Court Lobby Chat Room
P.S. If you have any suggestions or wish to report comments or
misuse of this trial chatroom please email me on
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
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Topic RE: NO SUCH THING AS SEX MAGICK
posted by Paul User
posted on March 06, 2009 at 07:36 AM
"I find it difficult to believe a lot of nonsense written here
about rituals for sex magick! Tantra is like any other, but much
deeper with added spiritual elements + breathing + a kind of
hypnosis.
Whoever is trying to imply danger etc is having a laugh at our
expense!"
Any Occultist should/would suggest that you believe only what
YOU want to believe, this is the point of Occultism - it is for
the individual to discover his/her path/system/Wyrd. So rituals
that are good for one person are not good for all.
As a lot of people have been brought up with the Nazarene
sickness and guilt regarding sex and sexuality, it is
understandable that there may be underlying 'issues' in regards
to a discussion or view of sex magick.
To me - and perhaps, from reading your post, also to yourself? -
sex magick is just another system. I hear that it is powerful
and the Society of Dark Lily (who influenced me a lot) said that
its main purpose is that of speed, whereby it can replace
long-term meditation or spiritual retreats by accessing the
subconscious in a much shorter space of time.
But, the point of sex magick is not as an excuse for sex but
using sex as a vehicle for spiritual/psychological change.
Obviously then, you need to be honest enough to know if you are
just after some alternative sex (nothing wrong with that if you
are), or if you are genuinely attempting to use sexual energy
for spiritual change.
As for dangers, personally, I believe that the Occult really is
dangerous. Changing your perspective from the microcosmic
(human) to the macrocosmic (galactic) is an intense experience
that will never leave you: "you cannot wedge the door shut once
it's open" to paraphrase a UK Satanist.
Also, one reason that there is a lot of talk about psychological
stability in the Occult is because if a person who is unstable
starts practicing magic and begins to draw forth energy, then
this energy may increase that instability. Do some sleep
deprivation exercises to see how your energy levels change and
how this effects your personality(ies).
Anyway, I think other Occultists will put this in different
terminology acording to their own system and understanding, but
the gist is: if you play with fire be prepared to get your hand
burnt.
Anyway, as I come from a Left Hand Path background, I tend to
say: it's your life, just accept responsibility for what you do
and don't blame others if it all goes to shit! :)
Topic NO SUCH THING AS SEX MAGICK
posted by mila User
posted on March 05, 2009 at 05:21 PM
I find it difficult to believe a lot of nonsense written here
about rituals for sex magick! Tantra is like any other, but much
deeper with added spiritual elements + breathing + a kind of
hypnosis.
Whoever is trying to imply danger etc is having a laugh at our
expense!
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Topic RE: Occult Experiences
posted by Paul User
posted on September 09, 2008 at 07:40 AM
Hi Mike
I had a very interesting/insightful experience from a Fourth Way
technique known as Self-Remembering. This was about 10 or more
years ago now.
I was at work (in an office) and had been practicing
Self-Remembering as much as possible around this time. Then one
morning, spontaneously my sense of myself suddenly altered
dramatically. It felt as though a cloud that had been covering
my Self (Atman/Observer/I AM Experience) had dropped away, or
that I had been lifted up out of this cloud. I experienced a
very spacious feeling of freedom and light. Then, as quickly as
it had arisen, I was back in the cloud of personality and it was
gone.
I have not had another experience akin to this, but have not
been practising Self-Remembering as much as I did then. I tried
to relate it to other teachings and I think the experience was
possibly akin to the Buddhist Rigpa and may also relate to the
Christian Mystic Soaring of the Spirit (I forget who talked of
that).
As is often the case in describing these experiences, words will
never ever be able to do it justice and this looks like it may
be too late for your dissertation, but if not, you are welcome
to use it, if it is of any use.
All the best
Paul
Topic Occult Experiences
posted by mike User
posted on February 17, 2008 at 03:20 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:18 PM
Hi!
Is anyone out there willing to help with some research I'm doing
for my MA dissertation?
I'm particularly interested in hearing from anyone who has been
involved with Theosophy, Fourth Way or Golden Dawn style groups.
What I'm after are short written accounts of spiritual or occult
experiences, and the outcome of the experience, that occultists
have had. I don't want to be too specific as there is a lot of
variation in how people understand the terms 'spiritual' and
'occult'. People typically write about experiences which could
be labelled psychic, spiritual, religious, supernatural,
paranormal, or mystical. Such experiences may be pleasant or
unpleasant and the outcomes good or bad. The only other
information I would need is the experiencer's gender and whether
they were a member or ex-member of the group.
Cheers!
Mike
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Topic Occult Magazines
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 20, 2010 at 03:00 PM
edited on April 01, 2010 at 11:15 AM
Hiya
I know about the Lamp of Thoth but is there another Occult
Magazine that you do? I used to get Prediction Magazine but they
have ruined it now, it used to be brilliant years ago.
Also is there in the future going to be more Lamp of Thoth
Magazines?
[INFOBURST: Most occult magazines were fanzine type small press
projects and as you probably know a decade ago the web caused a
sea-change in small-press publishing enabling any group to have
an immediate presence and authors to set up their own
independent point of access on the net. Most printed magazines
were loss-making and relied on philanthropist/s for funds. They
usually stopped publishing when the funds ran out. This isn't a
problem on the web. In the early days when we allowed callers at
the shop we used to do 'lucky-dip' bags of approx 30 assorted
magazines at a special discount to further the work of lesser
known authors and editors. At that time there were dozens of
regular zines on all aspects of occultism. Today there are not
enough printed mags for us to offer that service out but if you
use your search engine you'll come up with not only some current
'issues' of magazines but also some back issues. We
ourselves have plans for digitising back-copies of The Lamp of
Thoth magazine quite soon:
(Watch this page for announcements)
BB DeniseW]
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Topic RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on December 17, 2008 at 02:26 PM
I would have thought so Denise. His premise seems to be that
there is no need for a creative intelligence and this certanly
shapes his opinions and the dressing for his shows. What he
claims to be able to do is replicate paranormal happenings, not
prove them wrong, the rest is just his own personal opinions. If
I study painting and replicate the works of Austin Spare, i
wouldnt disprove the existance of the "in-between world" despite
the obvious that I had created the same effects as he on the
canverse. I would only prove that i was as useful as a
photocopier. To me if an opinion does nothing other than reduce
things down to brick and brack then its a bit crap. As
Magickians we are artists as well as scientist and as some
famous dude said " The job of the artist is to deepen the
mystery" .
I do like his promotion of hypnosis as a thing we should all try
and get our heads round hence why im giving him such thought.
Too many people think they cannot be controlled yet it happens
to them most of their waking day. The Secrets of Mind Controll
and the Master keys to Hypnosis serves as real eye openers,
providing both defence and a cutting edge, a better buy than a
Derren Brown Christamas Box Set.
Im gonna be offline for a couple more months so happy festival
to all at the S.A. and all on the forum.
"Its all in your head, you just have no idea how big your haed
is!!!!"
Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on December 17, 2008 at 02:26 PM
I would have thought so Denise. His premise seems to be that
there is no need for a creative intelligence and this certanly
shapes his opinions and the dressing for his shows. What he
claims to be able to do is replicate paranormal happenings, not
prove them wrong, the rest is just his own personal opinions. If
I study painting and replicate the works of Austin Spare, i
wouldnt disprove the existance of the "in-between world" despite
the obvious that I had created the same effects as he on the
canverse. I would only prove that i was as useful as a
photocopier. To me if an opinion does nothing other than reduce
things down to brick and brack then its a bit crap. As
Magickians we are artists as well as scientist and as some
famous dude said " The job of the artist is to deepen the
mystery" .
I do like his promotion of hypnosis as a thing we should all try
and get our heads round hence why im giving him such thought.
Too many people think they cannot be controlled yet it happens
to them most of their waking day. The Secrets of Mind Controll
and the Master keys to Hypnosis serves as real eye openers,
providing both defence and a cutting edge, a better buy than a
Derren Brown Christamas Box Set.
Im gonna be offline for a couple more months so happy festival
to all at the S.A. and all on the forum.
"Its all in your head, you just have no idea how big your haed
is!!!!"
Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 30, 2008 at 04:22 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Hi Rob. What you say certainly sums up a bigott, though anyone
who has been bullied by religion would recognise his fire. When
pushed Derren will answer that there are alot of freuds or NAN
offering there services and people should be aware of the power
of there own beliefs and how they can be ripped off. For this I
applaud him as everyone should get to know and take
responsability for there own minds so they can make the right
choises. Where I think he falls down is he devalues his own
techniques, he devalues belief and boils it all down to
meaningless phsycology. Some of the techniques he uses as a
magician are similar to the techniques that i am learning as a
Magickian, though we have different approaches and different
goals and therefor different result. He could do with opening
his own perception but he puts on a great show.
PS. Ideomotor effect, how else did he think it Worked!
Ricenpeas
" I'd be happy to just encourage a more questioning approach and
one of intelligent open-mindedness: which is where you balance
things such as false memory, suggestion and auto-hypnosis,
cold-reading, language tricks and charlatanism with the evidence
in favour of the paranormal, in order to make a more informed
decision about its veracity. Again, I would like to think that
most intelligent spiritualists would agree with me there too."
Derren Brown interview with badpsychics
[Infoburst: Thanks for the quote Ricenpeas. Interesting that Rob
says Derren Brown admits to having being an evangelist
(presumably Christian) and then tears into spiritualists (who
are also Christians) as well as other psychics. Presumably he is
now an atheist then, otherwise his criticisms of spiritualism
would also apply to his own beliefs. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Derren Brown: enemy of the occult
posted by Rob User
posted on October 30, 2008 at 02:28 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Hi Guys,
Intrigued byt the Derren Brown thing I picked up his paperback
'Tricks of the Mind'. He is an ex-Evangelical and cites Dawkins'
'God delusion' as his favourite book of all time maybe to
convince
us. He is Very anti-occult/new age. He describes the 'average'
believer in psychic powers as 'fat, forty and failed, with a
house
full of cats' and among other things has a section rubbishing
ouija boards as purely ideomotor effect, how to give cold
readings
which he says all decent psychics do, the rest are honest but
delusional in his opinion. Perhaps worst of all he joins the
call
for a ban on alternative therapies like homeopathy and herbalism
using the usual establishment line about people ignoring 'real'
treatments and the like. I used to like his show but now I think
he's a narrow minded bigot.
- Rob.
[Infoburst: Well that's very interesting Rob - you aught to surf
the SAFF site http://www.saff.nfshost.com
as they specialise in puncturing the public images of
evangelists posing as 'good guys'. They have a forum which you
can contribute to as well (see leftmost column halfway down the
homepage). Derren Brown often acts like a replacement for The
Amazing Randi, an American prestidigitator who couldn't make it
in general showbiz but who found he could make a living
'exposing psychic frauds' in the 1980s and 1990s. Marabas met
him when he attended a celebrated TV discussion programme on the
occult. Randi (whose name did not quite travel across the Pond
for obvious reasons ;-)) apparently pulled some wheezy old magic
tricks disguised as the occult but M and his colleagues spotted
the plant in the audience and spoiled his trick and his act. Ha.
The fact that some psychic phenomena can be falsely recreated
(don't the media do this all the time in films etc?) has of
course no bearing on genuine psychic experiences. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Eye of the Bengal Tiger
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 16, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Hi John
I would be in a better position to discuss this now (far from
there but on the way).
I think we are chatting about the "evil eye" when we talk about
an apponent transfixing us or projecting fear into us. Peter
Carroll gives the basic technique for developing the fixed stare
in Liber Null and Marabas gives a workable deffinition, which
can be applied, in his Phsycic Defence CD. Holding high my
Novice card I can crudely boil it down to 3 things...
1.. Controll of the body, ie. keeping a steady heart beat in a
Bagdad bunker.
2 Controll of the mind, ie. remain focused on intent despite all
disturbance.
3 A Knowlage of ourselfs and therefor others.
As they say "alot of fights are won before you step in the
ring."
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Derren Brown
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 12:36 PM
I have heard Derren say in a few interviews that he RECREATES
occult experiences, and yep Im facinated. Nowhere does he say
that the Occult is a load of rubbish but he does promote people
to "question" what they believe. People can be very stubborn to
what they believe is the Truth, as Carl Marx said "Man only
drowns in water because he believes in gravity".
Ricenpeas
Topic Derren Brown posted
by Watson User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM
edited on October 27, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Derren Brown, who has a host of videos others have posted on
youtube
and evryone should check these out, is a total skeptic of the
occult
and new age and also has an excellent book Tricks of the Mind.
His performances are pure trickery mixed with NLP and hypnotic
suggestion and an uncanny ability at cold-reading/body language,
etc. His one rule is that he does not use actors/stooges. From
his
videos you'll see he is recommended as a top psychic without
hesitation by other 'psychics' (search for Derren Brown,
Messiah)
as well as converting atheists to Christians, etc. then they
de-convert when he lets them in on the trick...simply amazing.
[Infoburst: Elementary my dear Watson but Derren's antics are
pure showbiz and cloak what is really going on which is that
Derren is creating an arena where the cultural and moral
limitations of the people he is 'hypnotising' are removed. Thus
it is not Derren who has the power but the subjects themselves.
All the crap about NLP is just psychobabble for a state of
mutually agreed suggestion. Despite the common misconception
that anyone who is hypnotised gives up their own will to the
hypnotist, all that happens is that existing latent powers of
the individual are given the confidence to emerge BY MUTUAL
CONSENT. In his CD
Master Keys to Hypnosis (click here for more details) Marabas
teaches how this happens and how anyone can do it for themselves
without the risk of being used as a prop for TV gurus.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Occult & Martial arts
posted by riceNpeas User
posted on June 08, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Hi John. Derren Brown is for real. He reproduces things like the
"death touch", "spiritualism", "converting to Christianity"
using mondern techniques like hypnosis, nlp, missdirection and
many more. Its very mechanistic and i just posted it for a bit
of craic.
I enjoyed the artical by David Cherubium and i think he stesses
the point of focus and intent which is what you are probably
experiencing when your aponent is giving you the Evil Eye. Alot
of magician (especialy hardworking ones) prescribe physical
exercise including karate as it bring you into an alert and
focused state, beta. Its the same feeling I get with a good
Banashing ritual, the senses are aware and the mind is single
pointed. Over exercising brings on heavy gnosis which when moved
by Will is a power source for your sells/sigils
Taoist sorcery does interest me but its hard to get good info. I
have just ordered a couple of Wudang Kung Fu DVDs with
subtitles. If I find anything interesting in them I will post.
Lastly. I find Thelmapedia quite interesting for little snips.
There is a nice little artical on Taosim heres the link
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Taoism
Nice One
Rice n Peas
Topic RE: Meditation, Yoga, Physical
training. posted by John W User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 02:01 PM
Rob,
Thank you for your recommendations. I have read some books on
Chaos magic
but not the Book of Results. Interested to hear your comments on
Magick
by Crowley.
I will put both on my 'to get' list. Cheers, John.
Topic RE: Occult & Martial arts
posted by John W User
posted on June 07, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Thanks for that Ricenpeas. That was impressive stuff. But is
Derren Brown
for real ? Hard to tell with TV. I've seen his show a few times
and it's
really weird how he can pull some of the things off unless
there's
collusion and trickery involved. What I have experienced is the
ability
of experienced Martial artists to pull their opponent into a
rhythm and
sort of hypnotise or mesmerise them during a fight, also to
instill fear
almost telepathically to defeat opponents almost effortlessly. I
have
been advised to never concentrate on an experienced fighters
eyes as this
is usually how they lock onto you, rather to 'distance view'
their whole
body, or 'not stopping the mind'.
John.
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Topic RE: Occult & Martial arts
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 05, 2008 at 08:54 PM
I have seen a demonstation by a Che Kung Master (exuse my
pronouniation) which was very powerful and i have also heard a
few rummors of German Occult Martial Art groups around the net
but I would like to post this link for a bit of craic. Its a
combo of a little bit of che and a lot of drama.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2023760018081411341&q=derren+brown+1+inch+punch&ei=nEBISMqaEo-8igKs5MjLDA&hl=en
Enjoy
RcenPeas
Topic Meditation, Yoga, Physical training.
posted by Rob User
posted on June 05, 2008 at 02:11 PM
Hi John,
Two books I would recommend:
Zen way to the Martial arts by Taisen Deshimaru which has a lot
on Ki energy and how Zazen balances the whole self. I don't do
MA myself but have all Deshimaru roshi's books. He was a rather
unorthodox Zen master who taught in France and had a very high
rank in Kendo in which the swordsmen try and keep an empty mind,
unconcerned with defence which would hold them back in fear.
With an empty mind they can act freely.
The Book of Results (Chaos magick) by Ray Sherwin: His
recommended
system includes regular bouts of physical training, in the
opinion
that an unhealthy body is not helpful in magick.
Also see Crowley's section on Yoga in his master-work 'Magick'.
I felt that the sections on Yoga, the world's religions and
divination were the best parts of the book.
Regards, Rob.
Topic Occult & Martial arts
posted by John W User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Would anyone like to speak on the subject of Occult martial arts
?
I have done a style of Japanese Karate for many years preceeding
my occult interests but only once started to study Zen, then
magic
did I begin to see the true purpose of martial arts training
(although
for many it is merely for fitness or a sport depending on their
art
and largely on their instructor/club)...For the japanese Masters
it
has always been Karate-Do (Tao) and things like fighting
competition
are a recent post WWII invention many masters detested, though
personally I think fighting with a zen-mind (or trying to: it's
hard
to remain calm when trying to avoid a fat lip!) is superb
practice.
I have found an article at the link below which although I am
not a
Thelemite, I agree with totally, and would like others' opinion
of
the article ? It is by David Cherubim:
http://www.totse.com/en/religion/the_occult/163734.html
A question I often have in my own mind is can physical exercise
be bad for you ? Can it make one too full of Yang energy ? When
I train I go very red in the face (not through being unfit) and
I
feel 'high' and buzzing for an hour or so after practice but is
this an imbalance ? A contrast would be Tai-Chi where there is
little or no exertion, just soft movement and many Tai Chi
practitioners are also Taoists who would say external/hard
martial arts like Karate are unbalanced. Maybe this is why
Karate
has Kata which so many enthusiasts eschew or practice only
for their next grading ? Kata is known as Moving-Zen.
Hope to hear anyone's views,
John W.
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posted by kimball User
posted on May 15, 2008 at 08:08 PM
edited on May 16, 2008 at 03:19 PM
when using this oexp to devine a persons signil, true name.can
that signil then be used on poppet wax doll of that person.
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Topic RE: Oils for gay men?
posted by easyboy82 User
posted on February 05, 2009 at 09:23 AM
Great tip, many thanks!
Topic RE: Oils for gay men?
posted by easyboy82 User
posted on February 04, 2009 at 07:30 PM
edited on February 05, 2009 at 08:06 AM
Is Anteros oil a sex or love oil or both?
If it acts mainly as a sex attraction oil just like Rutvah and
Snow Queen act for straight people, then which oils could be
used by gay men for love attraction purpose? I've seen that the
description of some general love oils (love oil, love and sex
oil...) often refer to "people of the other sex" but maybe they
could work as well if used by a man looking for a same sex
partner? Many thanks for your advice.
[Infoburst: Well yes they do work for all because love is love,
but the secret tip here would be to mix 50 percent of our
regular
Love Attraction Oil B401 with the Anteros Oil to rebalance for
gay purposes. Obviously it would be unviable for us to produce
every one of our 800 different magical oils in special formulae
for gay men and women but you can balance it yourself simply by
adding Anteros to any suitable magical oil in our list on a
50-50 basis. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Oils for gay men?
posted by douglas dumpling User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 03:14 AM
edited on August 26, 2008 at 09:02 AM
Hi
I asked the S.A, the same question and was told Anteros oil
would be the best option. Anteros is the brother of Eros and
governs alternative sexuality and unrequited love so will be
well suitable for gay men. Hope this helps you out Scot.
[Infoburst: Douglas Dumpling's advice is bang on Scot. You can
order Anteros Oil B1000 by telephoning Paula on 011x
x451309 with your card details. Alternatively goto
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/paypal.htm for a buy-now
button to send the remittance on-line. BB Denise W.]
Topic Oils for gay men?
posted by CuriousScot User
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Given that Ruthvah is for straight men, and Snow Queen is for
straight women, what oil would be appropriate for gay men?
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Topic RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 08:45 AM
Most magicians who use hermetic / qabbalistic rites know how
essential it is to construct them accurately and closely to
ensure that the energy is focussed and to avoid input from
astral shells and other discarnate intelligences who try to
piggy-back the forces of the rite. When one opens oneself to the
Astral there is just SO much crud out there. Marabas teaches
that free-floating discarnate entities will pander to the
expectancies of the magician in order to trick him into sharing
the power of the ceremony, often by assuming the identity the
magician hopes to contact. It is essential to avoid that by
using various techniques to exclude anything which will waste
the magician's time or give him a poorly focused result. I too
am shocked by the idea, current with a lot of spiritists, that a
belief in goodness is all that is necessary when one opens
onself up to 'channel' energies in a seance - that does seem
rather uncontrolled to me in comparison. Having said that
thousands of experienced mediums DO use that system and have
done so for hundreds of years. As long as they can separate the
wheat from the chaff in their results then there is no
proscription against it but it can often lead to self-delusion.
Marabas is of the same opinion and that is why he developed the
new S.A. Ouija Board which, although it can be used like a
regular ouija, is also equipped with an invocatory Dial and
instructions showing the user how to specify contacts that will
not mislead. [go
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm for full
details] Denise W.
Topic RE: Ouija boards
posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:58 PM
La mayyitan ma qadirun yatabaqqa sarmadi
Fa idha yaji' al-shudhdhadh fa-l-maut qad yantahi. Havent got
a clue what this means either thanks for your guardianship
Denise much appreciated
Topic RE: Ouija boards
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Thats pretty freaky Howard. I just got a leaflet through my door
with an equaly strange message
AG ULLMHU I GCOMHAIR MOR-EIGEANDALAI
Topic Ouija boards posted
by Howard User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 03:55 AM
edited on May 21, 2008 at 08:44 AM
I could never get the thing to make any sense and don't know
anyone who
ever could. The planchette would move, sometimes very fast but
the
messages were just gobbledygook. Here's an example:
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
Who knows ?
Howard
[Infoburst: Howard, stop winding up naive users of this forum.
For any who want to take the matter further H P Lovecraft's
esoteric writings will lead them in to the Cthulhu mythos -
Denise W.]
Topic Ouija boards posted
by JK User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:48 AM
The 'problem' with Ouija boards of course is that they were once
sold as a toy, some people found that the 'toy' actually worked,
it's reputation grew to where it was practically banned (In the
UK)
although not illegal, then all sorts of folks usually school
kids
or people at parties and the like started to use makeshift
ouija's
with tumbler and card-letters. Of course, 99% of these people
either
expected or wanted to have the living shit scared out of them
and
naturally 'the Devil' obliged, with much exaggerated reports in
books, tabloids, and warnings from the vicar. To my mind
intelligent
use of a ouija by sincere people is not dangerous, and the SA
does
not sell them to kids, and states a warning to the unsound of
mind
not to use, and also tells all purchasers (in the instructions)
to
beware and test all messages before believing them.
The hundreds of cheap-shite angel boards and crypt-boards on
ebay
are a bigger 'danger' than the genuine occult board sold by the
SA.
JK
Topic RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 10:26 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:54 AM
Justin - Many years ago as a young person I was involved in a
circle who met once a week to participate in the ouija board. I
totally understand and agree with Israel Regardies comments in
his Tree of Life book. We were very naïve at this time, we
belonged to no esoteric path and indeed did not even talk of
occultism being in the same vein of what we were doing. I would
imagine in the time of I Regardie the people who worked the
ouija board would not have taken it seriously and indeed as
commonly known were at one time parlour games. Because we took
no safety precautions we experienced very negative experiences.
All the circle divorced and their lives became a mess. My
husband and I were the only ones who came from this experience
emotionally unscathed but I have never forgotten those
experiences. Used in a safe way the ouija board is a tool that
can be used with success. Kimball used the Rosy Cross oexp which
is excellent and although I have not used or ordered the SA
ouija board I am sure it would come with instruction for proper
use.
[Infoburst: It certainly does come with instructions Mrs J.
Often it is the priceless information by Marabas which makes all
the difference to being able to safely put magical methods into
practice and this is very much the case with our Ouija-Board
which we have sold for over three decades now and during all
that time we have only one record of a problem occuring out of
hundreds of thousands of uses. Statistically that makes Ouija
Boards the safest way to travel! You are right of course the
Ouija was sold in toyshops up until quite recently when fundie
pressure and the child-scare industry campaigned to have them
removed. There's a big story beyind this but I haven't space to
cover it here. See some of the details on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm
or goto http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spellins.htm
And scroll down to: Seance Spellkit Instructions: How To Hold A
Successful Seance:
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
posted by kimball User
posted on May 20, 2008 at 12:54 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:48 AM
THE THREE BOOKS OF OCCULT WEAR WRITEN WEAR WRITEN IN A TIME WEAR
PEOPLE WEAR STILL EXECUTED FOR WITCHCRAFT. so it is writen in a
very lukewarm manner. but compare with the stuff of to day i can
see what you mean. ive been trying the s.a weeje board withe
necronomicon inscense and the rosy cross oexp after would i have
gotten some nice result's.
[Infoburst: Kimball, just to clarify, JK was not speaking about
the Three Books of Occult Philosophy by Cornelius Agrippa de
Nettesheim but a book written as a polemic against Ouija Boards
by some American fundamentalist with a similar name. Agrippa's
book is a marvellous sourcework of occult information and
initiated techniques which should be on every serious occultists
bookshelf so treasure your copy and have faith in it - more
details on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm.
Glad to have your feedback on your successes with the S.A. Ouija
Board.
Topic RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
posted by Ron User
posted on May 19, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Yeah, Spiritualist mediums at that time were often the
equivalent of
2.00 a minute phone-line psychics today.
- Ron.
Topic RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
posted by JK User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 04:26 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:52 AM
Justin,
I don't know about the Regardie book (I've read some of
Crowley's
comments on spiritualism and they reflect on the fraudsters of
the
time, also mentioning the astral shells and such).
I did waste money on the Cornelius book and it is utter drivel
in my
opinion, almost seems ghost-written by some Pentecostal minister
in
places (and acually quotes some American satan hunters !)There's
only
a few lines actually by Crowley in the whole book so the title
is
deceptive too.
I have one of the SA's older Weejee boards so I can't comment on
the
spirit-dial but I can tell you there's no harm in trying it as
long
as you're not mentally unbalanced to begin with. I think, and
I'm sure
Denise can verify, the SA boards have positive/safe symbolism
(Kabbalistic
I think ?)
Rgds, JK.
[Infoburst: Thank you JK, yes, our boards are very balanced,
unlike some of the more commercial ones which include graphics
of skulls, tombstones, and Halloween-type images. With those on
the board what sort of contacts do users think they are going to
get? No wonder Regardie was worried! ]
Topic For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
posted by Justin User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 12:26 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 08:44 AM
Hi Denise/SA,
what is Marabas' opinion of the disdain for spirit communication
and gaining of psychic powers and results-magic expressed by
Israel Regardie in his book 'The Tree of Life' ? I have seen
that Regardie is praised and quoted oftentimes by the SA, yet he
seems to have had very different opinions, especially in the
said book where he particularly knocks as dangerous all forms of
attempted spiritism/mediumship without the use of Ceremonial
magic. Quote: "The medium, once she has opened the door of her
astral and psychic organization, is unable to control herself.
Nor is she able to exert discrimination as to what shall or
shall not enter by the open door and take possession of her
personality". I was tempted to shelf Regardie's concerns as
simply old fashioned but recently the same kind of thing has
been put out in the book "Aleister Crowley and the Ouija board"
by J.Edward Cornelius who says that persons using a ouija
without Ceremonial magick, circle, triangle and all are liable
to become possessed by demons. Regardie and Cornelius both
suggest that 'normal'ouija use/spiritism usage is futile as it
only attracts astral corpses who display no intelligence. My own
opinion is neutral but I'd like to know what Marabas/SA think as
you supply these boards presumably most used by
non-ritualists(?) and is your Ouija safe because of the
invocator-dial ? are
others without it dangerous ?
Thanks, Justin.
[Infoburst: Greetings Justin. I believe that the critical
comments by Regardie about the 'freestyle' use of Ouija Boards
in impromptu seances was a technical complaint, not a value
judgement. See my contribution below for more details - Denise
W.]
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posted by Denise W. User
posted on June 30, 2009 at 03:13 PM
Do not worry JohnK this is a cyclic situation due to the
production curve related to demand. During the 1970s Crowley's
works were rare due to lack of demand and copyright problems.
His books took off with a vengeance during the 1990s when the
copyright problem was also ameliorated and the OTO linked up
with Weisers and other mainstream publishers to print and
distribute the most popular and in-demand Crowley works. The
market then became saturated and those adherents who originally
bought now seek more arcane writings. In the present economic
climate publishers will wait until sufficient back-orders exist
before scheduling a reprint. The vast amount of investment
required to put all of Crowley's enormous writings into print at
one time is beyond even most specialist publishers. The O.T.O
which has done a sterling job so far is also restrained by
market forces but will continue to publish needed treatises when
possible as Robert has indicated. Basically it is just a matter
of being patient. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Out of print Crowley
posted by Robert User
posted on June 25, 2009 at 08:23 PM
I think it's something that will need patience. The OTO
(Caliphate)
is doing a good job of issuing superbly edited, annotated and
corrected editions of Crowley's works (Magick Book 4 is a superb
example) and they now have all copyrights so hopefully books
like
Magick without tears, and the Confessions will eventually get
reissued.
I think it's an eventuality. Crowley is more popular now than
ever
and people no longer believe all the BS about him so there is a
demand.
I guess the Thoth deck is reprinting due to popularity ?
Robert.
Topic Out of print Crowley
posted by John K User
posted on June 24, 2009 at 01:35 AM
Does anyone know why so many of Aleister Crowley's books
that were available 10 or 15 years ago are now unobtainable
except to pay through the nose for grubby second hand copies ?
Even the Thoth Tarot deck seems unobtainable at present.
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posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 03:29 PM
Hi William. In magic 'Everything that is possible is
permissible' There is no bar in you experimenting with anything
providing it does not harm another. Dogmatic restrictions are
often just that - sacred cows which should be personally tested
and not perpetuated by rote. Having said that, Marabas teaches
that beyond a certain level the initiate will realise that magic
falls into two major schools of thought. Pantheistic and
monotheistic. This divide seems small to the untutored observer
because every pantheon of gods has an ultimate supreme deity so
may be thought monotheistic at its pinnacle yet technically the
difference is SO great that one will, by the very nature of the
Seeker, count itself out for him/her. There is no space to
elaborate in detail here but meditate on the difference between
all things being caused by God and all things being a part of
god. The Pantheistic vs Monotheistic divide is an issue which
constantly confuses much of the teaching of ritual magic today.
So! To begin with be eclectic and adopt whatever is necessary to
experiment but keep in mind what the Golden Dawn taught.
'Whether the gods exist or not is an irrelevant argument because
the universe behaves as though they do.' BB Denise W.
Topic Paganism/Monotheism in magic
posted by William User
posted on July 06, 2008 at 02:42 PM
Hi All,
Is it possible for a Wiccan to use monotheistic magic eg if one
is dedicated to the Goddess/God and wants to use a talisman from
the
Goetia,etc, would this be permissible or could it have an effect
of splitting the personality or diluting ones magic ? Or to put
it another way what would Witches generally think of using
Goetic/
Theurgic Talismans. As SA sell these and also write on Paganism
what
would your reasoning be here ? Would Marabas teach both are
compatible ? Sanders (and Gardner ?) also used Theurgic
ceremonial symbolism/circles etc. As a former Christian seeking
to get all that
stuff behind me I am a bit confused with the God and Angels
stuff,
so not the most comfortable with monotheism but classic
teachings on talismans etc, are theurgic. I also find similar
difficulties with Connolly's otherwise superb Tarot handbook for
the Apprentice with the monotheistic prayers she recommends.
Something I need to get my head round, but am getting nowhere
with it myself.
Any help appreciated, Thanks, William.
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posted by Alex User
posted on December 19, 2009 at 01:05 AM
edited on December 21, 2009 at 09:14 AM
Dear S.A,
I bought a second hand copy of a book called 'The paranormal
world of Paul McKenna' last week from a charity shop. It relates
happenings he investigated for a TV series of the same name in
the early 90's. I was interested to see that at the end there is
an advertisement and contacts section including the Sorcerer's
Apprentice address and phone number. Can S.A say if they were
ever in contact with Paul McKenna re hypnosis or the paranormal
? Alex.
[INFOBURST:
Greetings Alex. Compliments of the Solstice to you. Yes we did.
There's hardly a famous psychic or celebrity whom he hasn't
influenced in some way. Marabas's unstinting and largely
unheralded work with the media is a constant and continuing part
of his attempt to break down the age-old stereotypes which the
Xists use to discredit the Mysteries and frighten ordinary folk
off developing their innate powers of perception and freedom of
thought. His detractors and those gutter-media people he has
refused always try to suggest he is a publicity monger but
Marabas often spends a great deal of time behind the scenes
educating and informing genuine journalists and researchers and
has had a tremendous effect on the scope and direction of the
media approach to occultism over the past thirty years. That's
why the fundies made him their number one enemy all those years
ago! They don't mind the people who are in it for the money.
They are frightened witless of one who has truly serious intent.
BB DeniseW]
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posted by marie User
posted on December 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I have the
brass planchette I bought it year before last from sorcerers
apprentice but all I get when i use it is childs squidles and
nothing of any truth where am I going wrong.
[Infoburst: This could take far more space than I am allowed
here because you appear untutored and insensitive to psychic
things and are missing the point. The squiggles may indeed be
from a child! They may equally be the precursor to proper
contact as the strength of the energies between you and the
spirit build up. Experienced Mediums have the Knacks required to
tune in and use an Autowriter. If you are a raw beginner then
you would be better off using our Ouija Board to start with.
It includes a unique Invocator Dial which teaches you how to
'tune-in' spirits and energies - see here - safely. It is all a
matter of knowledge and experience. Did you repeat your contact
experiments at the same time on the same day and take account of
the
phases of the moon or did you just randomly sit down anytime?
All these things and more can improve your response. BB Denise
W]
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posted by marie User
posted on December 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I have the
brass planchette I bought it year before last from sorcerers
apprentice but all I get when i use it is childs squidles and
nothing of any truth where am I going wrong.
[Infoburst: This could take far more space than I am allowed
here because you appear untutored and insensitive to psychic
things and are missing the point. The squiggles may indeed be
from a child! They may equally be the precursor to proper
contact as the strength of the energies between you and the
spirit build up. Experienced Mediums have the Knacks required to
tune in and use an Autowriter. If you are a raw beginner then
you would be better off using our Ouija Board to start with.
It includes a unique Invocator Dial which teaches you how to
'tune-in' spirits and energies - see here - safely. It is all a
matter of knowledge and experience. Did you repeat your contact
experiments at the same time on the same day and take account of
the
phases of the moon or did you just randomly sit down anytime?
All these things and more can improve your response. BB Denise
W]
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Topic RE: codex posted by
Mrs J User
posted on March 31, 2009 at 09:19 AM
edited on March 31, 2009 at 09:47 AM
Yes - you are totally right Denise, however, 15 years ago only
alternative thinking people used natural remedies. They were of
no consequence to the moneymakers. Now it is mainstream the self
interest of the moneymakers is being compromised by people
taking responsibility for themselves. I hope it is not too late
to make them feel uncomfortable about their misdeeds. I hope by
people in the now expressing their thoughts on this it may make
it more difficult for their agenda. Most people out there as we
all know on this forum exist mainly in the material and this
physical action is where most people will have common ground and
feel it is their only way of expressing their concern. The
physical after all is where the agenda exercise most of their
control over our mass. Why because we are where they put us -
either dumbed down with addidiitves, drugs, conformity or
delusion.
Marabas has always been a knight before his time - trying to
wake people from their slumber - I can only but imagine the
frustration he has encountered
Blessed be
[Infoburst: I agree with you Mrs J, but this is not just about
money, it is also about the Power Shadow of the Medical Monopoly
which underpins the Establishment. Those who still think of
doctors as caring healers should read Martin Fido's shocking
book The World's Worst Medical Mistakes. About 10,000 people die
unnecessarily in hospitals every year in the U.K. from
mis-dosage alone. The constant bleatings from medical
professionals about the damage that alternative healing might do
should be weighed against the proven death-count from the NHS
which is quickly glossed over in favour of feigned outrage about
a one-in-a-million reaction to unlikely overdoses of Vitamins!
BB Denise W.
Topic codex posted by
kimball User
posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM
all so hears the address for ther flyer to hand out
http://www.acumedic.com/codex.pdf
Topic RE: codex alimentarius
posted by Mrs J User
posted on March 26, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Thanks Kimball - done that
Topic codex alimentarius
posted by kimball User
posted on March 25, 2009 at 11:21 AM
all so type in codex alimentarius into search engine
Topic please sign this petition against CODEX
posted by kimball User
posted on March 24, 2009 at 03:08 PM
edited on March 26, 2009 at 11:14 AM
sign this petition to stop big business from stealing natural
remidies from you.
check out theys link's
www.anhcampain.org/campains/codex
www.consumersforhealthchoice.com
www.herballure.com/special/webecomesilent/quicktime.html
go hear to sign petition
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/vitamins/
thank you for more info go to www.acumedic.com/codex.pdf
[Infoburst: You are probably not aware that Marabas warned the
alternative healing and therapy industries FIFTEEN YEARS AGO ago
that a campaign was in progress by the medical establishment to
restrict and eventually ban most forms of Alternative Healing
including self-help through dietary supplements. At that time he
published and distributed the facts to everyone concerned in the
New Age including therapists but because most of this latter
lobby are in the thrall of the medical monopoly and consider
themselves part of it they repudiated Marabas's warnings and
went back to sleep, thereby allowing the BMA to set itself up
influencing European legislation that has now resulted in these
pernicious new laws. Now that it is FAR TOO LATE those very same
therapists etc. are clamouring for YOUR help to stop a fait
acomplis. The petition will achieve little - but sign it if it
makes you feel better. Other warnings Marabas gave out years ago
are also coming true to general detriment. What a pity people
don't listen to what he says when he says it and by default
allow the Xists to ride rough-shod over their
rights! You can see some of this here: http://saff.nfshost.com/healing.htm
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Topic RE: PeeCee posted by
personal_emails2ATyahoo.co.uk User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 11:35 PM
Hi,
Thanks! I don't see all change as evolution!! Some of it is, but
just like crazy evalgelicals who would 'change' you into going
back to church, not all change is evolution. Abandoning positive
change is a move away from evolution,and a step back into
devolution! Amazing how the independence movement in Scotland
and Wales for instance is referred to as devolution, but
correctly it describes an the implied return to a condition
prior to the evolution of what is the United Kingdom. Any
backward move can be looked upon as evolution, and I suppose
sometimes it is necessary and sometimes not. Even with a few
steps back, a reversing to a different portion of the road,where
one could turn left or right,at some point one has to move
forward again,and move with the evolutionary flow.
A lot of the problem, is of course - with things like pc - it is
others ( unseen and unknown!!) who are directing what we should
ALL believe and ALL think irrespective of individuality and
different points of view - There is no debate and no choice,
just INSTRUCTION!! Try moving against any of that instruction =
no job,no friends,ludicrous accusations and visits from the
police. Not that such things have happened to me,because I just
rant an rave at home, and my wife and I get well angry about it
all. Sometimes we're almost jumping up and down in our anger as
a sort of release, because we both have jobs where we have to
watch every tiny,weenie peenie little p and q, all of the time -
but a lot of the time, we just laugh and have couple of bottles
of wine. Plenty more like us I should imagine - I know there
are!!
Bring back the world of sane ordinary folk ( Devolution) and
give us comedy like Steptoe and Son. Get rid of pc and the mind
controllers and put the cctv in the bin (Devolution) and then
let us be free (Evolution). result = a better world with no
nannies and far less war,class hatred or corruption.
That's my gripe for the night.
bye!!
Topic RE: PeeCee posted by
ricenpeas User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 02:16 PM
Is see where you are going R.P. And in the given circumstances I
would agree. But lets not let politeness get in the way of a
good debate.
Its hard to say when politness ends and pc begins. I get the
impression that you are creating as many labels as you are
trying to avoid. If i sit on a table does it then become a
chair? All labels serve as refrence points for the mind. Robert
Anton Wilson says "the map is not the territory" PC and
politeness generate the same experience and I think Dennise
addition of verbal RESTRAINT put the cherry on the cake. Has the
world gone mad or is it just evolving. Reading the Book of Law I
see the sense in what is happening around me. Evolution can be a
Bitch
Smile and Wink
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: PeeCee posted by
ricenpeas User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 02:16 PM
Is see where you are going R.P. And in the given circumstances I
would agree. But lets not let politeness get in the way of a
good debate.
Its hard to say when politness ends and pc begins. I get the
impression that you are creating as many labels as you are
trying to avoid. If i sit on a table does it then become a
chair? All labels serve as refrence points for the mind. Robert
Anton Wilson says "the map is not the territory" PC and
politeness generate the same experience and I think Dennise
addition of verbal RESTRAINT put the cherry on the cake. Has the
world gone mad or is it just evolving. Reading the Book of Law I
see the sense in what is happening around me. Evolution can be a
Bitch
Smile and Wink
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: PeeCee posted by
RP User
posted on June 15, 2010 at 01:58 AM
The world is going mad. In fact, it has been going there for a
long time! My point, is that pc is exaccerbating the problem.
Far from creating peace and harmony, it is contributing to
antagonism and war.
Marabas is right in referring to politeness as a 'syndrome', but
at least politeness is tollerable. PC is simply bananas - and
everyone seems to think so - generally speaking,and in my
experience.
Honesty! One of the keys to enlightenment is honesty. how could
anyone know truth or be enlightened if all they ever did was BS
themselves and each other with PC BS? That is the point!!
Topic RE: THE with being myselves.
posted by Mrs J User
posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Gentlemen - standards are good - politeness just opens up the
world of psychology
Topic RE: THE with being myselves.
posted by RP User
posted on May 23, 2010 at 02:23 AM
edited on May 23, 2010 at 07:35 AM
Yes, on that I think that I will give another reply in another
two and a half years!
[infoburst: Please don't keep us waiting that long RP! Did you
know that there used to be a charity for Politeness but it had
to be disbanded through lack of support? True. I think that what
you and Ricenpeas are debating is really Verbal Restraint and
mixing it up with the currently fashionable Political
Correctness (a modified form of VR) might cloud the issue.
Everything we do and say is conditioned and implanted before we
are old enough to even perceive ourselves as separate beings
therefore Marabas teaches that it is essential that we break
those bonds of conventionality to liberate our true intellectual
pespective. There are many ways of doing this. Anathema is one
(greatly favoured by LHP adherents) but most occult methods
require it and have techniques to achieve it through self
observation. Socrates said Man Know Thyself - because it is the
key to all esoteric successes. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: THE PHENOMENOLOGY OF
POLITENESS...the trouble with being myselves.
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on May 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM
Politeness has evolved as has Pc. Niether are new, and both
develop new forms. Both are used to keep us in a managble little
box, and both stump our evolution of the indervidual. I am not
suggesting the reader abandons either, i am suggesting we free
ourselves and move beyond them. Understand there effect and use
them as we desire. How do you suggest the reader tackles PC coz
there is only so far ranting can take you:)
PS Strawberries can be green and a man with one leg isnt
disabled if hes stationary.
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: THE PHENOMENOLOGY OF
POLITENESS...the trouble with being myselves.
posted by RP User
posted on May 21, 2010 at 04:15 PM
Nice to see that this debate has started up again after placing
my comment some two and a half years ago!! Nice.
I still maintain that PC is a very negative set of 'invisible'
instructions ( From what source does this crap emanate from
anyway?) that nobody ever voted for!! It is my belief that
political correctness has nothing to do with politeness - as
described by the previous person who left a message - but that
it is in fact simply something to control us all yet further, an
attempt at social engineering through distorting innate
perception and innate fact! Politeness was around long before
the thought police started messing around with your vocabulary
and the cognitive processes!! They tried a similar thing in the
Soviet Union, but in the end everybody knew that strawberries
really are red and that a person with one leg is disabled!! None
of such natural distinctions are prejudiced as the PC pundits
claim - they are just truths which the PC policy people don't
like. No doubt because in their distorted minds they need to
believe in falsehood and lies! Hmm! There's my halfpenny for
you!
Ooops! By saying 'halfpenny' I have probably transgressed the PC
rule again!( Oh dear!).Such a statement could imply that a half
penny is something less than a full penny and that consequently
it could be worth less on the open market! It also implies that
a halfpenny is only half as good as a full penny and so there is
a need for a PC re-evaluation of the term 'halfpenny'to
irradicate injustice and prejudice. I'm not sure what the PC
nerds would come up with, but how about 'differently perceived
penny, or perhaps the 'similar penny'? I leave it to the forum
to decide ;-)) Ciao
From a libertarian . I'm not a fascist just because I despise
politically correct BS
Topic THE PHENOMENOLOGY OF POLITENESS...the
trouble with being myselves. posted by
Ricenpeas User
posted on May 15, 2010 at 04:08 PM
What is politeness? some may say that it is the opposite of
rudeness, that politeness is showing courtesy to others, so we
all feel comfortable. A lovely idea that greases the cogs of
society, and allows us all to get along. Or is it? Is it just a
way of keeping us all in our box? Is it actually the ultimate
killjoy? How does politeness effect the Individual and the Xist
super Spirit we call Society. Well, lets see.
Let us experiment with politeness and see what answers we yield.
Try eliminating the words Thankyou from your vocabulary for a
few days. You might find that you will wont to compensate by
replacing thankyou with cheers or a nod with the head. Try and
stop any expression of thanks. You may feel in your gut an awful
feeling. Great, coz thats what we want. Often we say thankyou
for the sake of it. This is habit not expression.
Now try something "abnormal" like singing a Wham song at the top
of your voice on a busy street, or periodically shouting your
name and birth sign whilst doing your weekly shop. Theres that
feeling again, pulling us back to politeness.
"Wow ricenpeas, where are you going with this crazy experiment"
you may ask.
Well my dear reader here is the point. OUR POLITENESS STUMPS OUR
CREATIVITY.
Examin the feeling, coz im sure its not new to us. How many
things have you wanted to do but didnt coz of this feeling? How
much living has been lost through other peoples ignorance?
Personally i can say lots. I have said before that the word
personality means to display a set of characteristics and
depending on my mood and environment depends on which pesonality
eye am in. It is very easy to see in children, they can do
imaginative, loving, hateful, generous, or fearful, all in the
space of a couple of hours. There creativity expressed in so
many ways. On the whole, us Adults prefer to show just 1
personality and the world goes mad if we act out of character.
Surely in this Aeon of Individualism we should seek out this
feeling and transcend it. Do What Thou Will Be The Whole Of The
Law not Do What Thou Will as long as it does not challenge
anyone elses comfort zones.
All the best
Ricenpeas
Ricenpes
Topic RE: Political correctness,
posted by Karen User
posted on March 31, 2008 at 01:12 AM
Progressive folks here in the U.S. like to call that particular
network "Faux News", for self-evident reasons (LOL)...
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Topic RE: Political correctness,
posted by feeorin User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 07:39 PM
hi there,
all caught up now, and can see ur point x
Topic RE: Political correctness,
posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 10:26 AM
Hi Feeorin
Sorry mate, I'm in the UK as well. It is just that Fox News have
a reputation for being, well, how can I say this without getting
sued? I know - they have a reputation for being inaccurate and
biased.
So I was simply suggesting that people take the link to their
news site with a small salt mine.
Topic RE: Political correctness,
posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 07:10 PM
Thanks Feorin. I like your postings as well.
Topic RE: Political correctness,
posted by feeorin User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 08:11 PM
well said!
Topic RE: Political correctness,
posted by RP User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 07:35 PM
Political correctness is the curse of our time! Speech police
and thought police go hand in hand, and though I wish to offend
nobody, I dislike the fear and paranoia of having to watch every
p and every q ( and that does not include the other 24 letters
in the alphabet!).
Basically, it seems to me, that generally, humans are very ( and
I do mean VERY) small minded and altogether far too easily
offended! People should try growing up with a funny name, as I
had to do, if they want to have a true perspective - rather than
just an ignorant general opinion - of what to say and what not
to say and in fact if this offends or does not offend.
When you think about it, being forced into silence is extremely
oppressive! In many people this causes enormous inner turmoil
and repression. Such a situation is far more likely, not less,
to result in the extremes of behaviour that we all fear most of
all ie violence, racism and other related crimes etc.
It is a shame that people cannot - legally - let off steam! That
way, we can learn to laugh at a lot of the problems in life
instead of being eaten up by them 'all' of the time! The stress
levels of our PC society are really intolerable, and although I
do not believe we can speak 'exactly' how we would wish in this
forum, I think that a 'spirit' of no PC is at least something,
and it is so refreshing!
The worst PC scenario would be in the occult itself! The legacy
of secrecy - still very much to the fore these days - combined
with an inability or a fear of saying exactly what you mean
would render the whole process of magickal and spiritual
development incomprehensible - if not impossible to achieve.
Long live the S.A and thanks for giving me the power to be a
free spirit and a free thinker. I just need to find a free pub
and I will be all the way there! Cheers!
Topic RE: Political correctness,
posted by feeorin User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 04:07 PM
duh me, i just caught up! im climbing back into my cave and ive
gone back to sleep.... sorry :s
Topic RE: Political correctness,
posted by feeorin User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 04:05 PM
hi puretongue,
im really confused as to what u mean! if its anything im from
the uk and i dont get fox news!!! i have no idea what ur on
about (please excuse me if im being a bit thick!)
Topic RE: Political correctness,
posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Sorry, someone citing Fox News? Should I read that with "Once
upon a time.." preceding it?
Topic RE: Political correctness,
posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 04:26 PM
I agree. I do not believe in playing the victim role.
I think the ideal maxim is to live by example. However, on
occasions, it is kind of nice when situations arise whereby we
can do something that sideswipes mass populace presumptions
about our ilk.
This week, the High Priest of The Church Of Satan received an
email that required action.
It has made national news in the U.S.A
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316967,00.html
Topic Political correctness,
posted by feeorin User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 01:20 PM
hi there,
Is it me or is there a re-occuring theme throughout this forum
of political correctness, not by the ppl taking part, but how
disgruntalled we all are about the way most of us are treated by
other more covential faiths! Im not saying for one minute that
we should all come out of the shadows and shout to the world...
hell no! It fine for the ppl to accept convential beliefs, in
fact even if we dont we still have to shut up and accept it
anyway. Without reciving half of the same curtosy. I dont want
to build churches, be on tv, show ppl how its done.. none of
that interests me! but it seems to me that in a world of
'political correctness' the older beliefs are ignored. I live in
a small town and the only acceptable reason for withdrawing your
child from saying prayers is that your one of the worlds
acceptable religions! i gave no reason for my child not doing
prayers other than its my choice as his mother! ive been
following this path since i was 16, been rejected by my family
for it! even had them calls social services in order to protect
my child from such 'things'. yet they wouldnt even concider
ringing them on someone who has muslim, jehover, buddist
beliefs! In school my son is taught that at halloween we draw
pictures witches flying etc.... but not taught how this tradtion
came about, when i teach him about all hallows eve i have to
dress it up so when he repeats to his teacher what i have said
it avoids the whispers behind myself and my childs back.... its
all crap if u ask me!!! I aware im ranting but its hard to say
what u really want to say without sounding 'politically
incorrect!!'
feeorin xxx
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Topic RE: World in peril?
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on June 03, 2008 at 02:33 AM
A non government researcher stated that Earths population
expansion is potentially enormouse, providing that our
workplaces, homes, are built upwards! Thus leaving enough space
for food production. Interesting concept.
Topic RE: World in peril?
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on June 01, 2008 at 11:23 AM
who says the world is overpopulated; the government??? I think
it is all about control, they do not say that people are dying,
but you say they die as in world catastrophies to make or try
and make space, does the world really work like this.
I know there is always a balance and it would work in that
manner, but I do feel government have not one idea about the way
occultists see things, they always come at it with how it can
benefit them. There have always been earthquakes it is nothing
new, yet the media in this day and age have the means to force
feed every little bit of bad things happening in the world down
your throat. So that is coming at this from control way, but if
you are trying to say the world is fighting back, yes I do
believe we are connected to the world by energy matrix patterns,
astral flux and tides, etc...the wise occultists has to work
their destiny through the concrete jungle of the so called rat
race today, so it is good you are looking at things from this
level.
I would like to know what others also think about this
Topic, is the world really fighting back are we and the world in
peril.
Topic World in peril?
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 31, 2008 at 04:05 PM
The astonishing arrogance of the scientific community, and their
statements, are absurd. Science cannot analyse other
beings/entities; therefore they do not exist. Other dimensions,
or planes of existance cannot be measured; i.e; do not exist.
However, for quantum physics to work mathematically, 21, (I
think) extra dimensions must be 'invented', for the math to
work.
We live in approx 7% of known space, the rest is invisible to
us, and labelled ; dark matter. Other dimensions?
"If the world dies, so do we." What? If we destroy ourselves,
the Glorious Planetary Spirit, Gaia, who we live on, will simply
shake off the debris, and continue evolution in another manner.
Why say; 'End of the world' when you mean,end of Humanity?
The Chinese system, as discussed, would seem to be the only
viable alternative; that said, many believe that if the cause be
nuclear weapons, bio-chemical warfare, the greenhouse effect,
unless
you havn't been paying attention, a catastrophe is expected,
which will hurl us into a new dark age, as happened at the last
Aeon change. I doubt that over population will be of much
concern.However this race evolves, to be part of it is a
wondrous adventure!
Topic RE: Population crisis
posted by Alexander User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Sounds a bit like Communist China, that one-child thing. You'd
have
to overturn the UN declaration of human rights. What about
giving schoolgirls
contraceptive implants so that only responsible adults can
reproduce, and
give higher benefits to those who are productive, limiting
benefits to food
stamps only for professional dole queue breeders ? No incentive
would exist
then to just sit back, sponge and breed-for-benefits.
Alexander
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Their should be a policy of one child per person, if people are
allowed to continue to have children at an uncontrolled rate, we
will see more demise of the world and other species will become
extinct, as we breed like parasites sucking the life out of its
host.
If the world dies so do we.
Topic Population crisis
posted by Herne User
posted on May 30, 2008 at 08:21 PM
We have reached our limits on population, by 2030 the population
will be estimated 9 billion.
We are already seeing the affects now, with a shortage food and
fuel and land for housing, people were not ment to live so
cramed together, even raw materials are running out, some
scientists have already said that the Western world will see its
first famine this century.
If the population is not controlled, we will see more violence
drug use as people try to escape the slums which they will be
forced to live in, whether they are rich or poor.
It is utter madness why the government wants us to live longer
healthier lives, when they allow so many children to be born.
Their should be a policy of one child per person, if people are
allowed to continue to have children at an uncontrolled rate, we
will see more demise of the world and other species will become
extinct, as we breed like parasites sucking the life out of its
host.
If the world dies so do we.
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by Willowtree User
posted on May 04, 2010 at 04:19 PM
I also found during my pregnancy (many moons ago) that mint
herbal tea was very good for morning and evening sickness.
Many congratulations on your pregnancy, by the way :-)
Topic RE: Pregnancy posted
by Mrs J User
posted on May 04, 2010 at 10:07 AM
edited on May 05, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Hi there Newstar, when my pregnancy was 10 days late and I was
due to be induced, I was lucky enough to have a private midwife
who was an old soul. Rather than be induced she gave me to a
primrose oil pessary and said the baby will be born forthwith.
She did also say she would deny giving it to me. I took the
pessary and sure enough within 8 hours the baby was born and the
birth was a good birth.
During my term I drank ginger tea when I felt queasy. Good luck
Newstar.
[INFOBURST: Very interesting Mrs J. I am presupposing you mean
Evening primrose oil (Oenothera biennis) as True Primrose
(Primula Vulgaris) is difficult to obtain in oil form (though a
macerated oil can of course be made from the fresh flowers).
Both plants have similar properties as do Cowslips and other
wild Primulas.
BB DeniseW]
Topic Pregnancy posted by
newstar User
posted on May 02, 2010 at 11:46 AM
edited on May 04, 2010 at 08:35 AM
what herbs are traditionally used to help in pregnancy? Is there
anything that should be avoided?
[INFOBURST: Because of the Nanny state we are not allowed to
give medical advice and can only point you towards ancient
traditional lore and folk traditions. Anything you read in this
reply and any replies other clients may post here MUST be
checked with your doctor before use because everything depends
upon your aggregated health position and any family
complications etc.,
Bearing this in mind Marabas says that some herbs have a
powerful abortifacient effect and MUST NOT be taken during
pregnancy. Rue is perhaps the most well known but there are
others and so self-medication with herbs during pregnancy is
something to be VERY careful with.
The traditional herb taken by women to regulate hormonal levels
during pregnancy (it is the imbalance of hormones which can, for
instance, cause morning sickness) is Ladies' Mantle (Alchemilla
vulgaris). It is a plant which cunning women of old used to
swear by for all 'women's complaints' and discomforts. Another
very useful herb is Raspberry Leaf (Rubus idaeus )which has a
growing (and valid) reputation for speeding and assisting in
parturition - so easing the birth. These herbs are made up as a
tea and drunk several times a day like normal tea. We will leave
this thread open so that customers can make other
recommendations.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic RE: Problems of being Anonymous
posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 23, 2008 at 01:58 PM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 02:01 PM
Yes Paul; you are on the button with all three points.
Unfortnately our host's (Pliner's) system cannot be switched to
prompt for a unique pseudonym.
As you know there are a wide parameter of users on the SAEF,
from raw beginner to advanced initiates, but often an
experienced occultist can be a newbie at the net and make
mistakes until they get used to the system. I have even had
people complain that they have posted a message to the thread
and that I have deleted it when I have done no such thing. What
has happened is that the newbie has clicked on the email address
of the person making the original forum message and unwittingly
sent an email to them! (this is a facility which can be helpful
to users for you can email individuals privately without having
your message reflected in the thread). Similarly, the unthinking
use of 'anonymous' can unintentionally soon get people at cross
purposes. Some forum users have asked if it would be better if
the forum were set to force people to put in their genuine email
addresses but we feel that would mitigate against newbies who
may feel intimidated but who are ready to participate if they
feel their comments cannot be attributed. The upshot is that
naive users can get confused about forum facilities and this
coupled with such sensitive areas of discussion sometimes leads
them to feel excluded or prejudiced against - hence their
occasional outbursts. Naturally we always make clear that our
FIRST AND FOREMOST intention is to be as empathic as possible to
everyone's opinions and find a solution or answer for them so
beginners should keep in mind that if it looks like we are being
elitist it may be something they themselves have caused and a
requesting clarification would be a wise next step. All the best
- Denise W.
Topic Problems of being Anonymous
posted by Paul User
posted on September 21, 2008 at 08:59 AM
edited on September 23, 2008 at 01:59 PM
Moderator's comment carried over from an existing thread
[INFOBURST: Will contributors PLEASE make up a pseudonym for
themselves instead of putting in 'anonymous' or leaving it blank
- which by default causes an 'anonymous' to appear. Otherwise
newcomers to this forum will think that there is one really
eclectic person making contradictory comments when it is in fact
any number of people who have simply forgotten to make up a
pseudonym for themselves! BB Denise]
This issue seems to be about a couple of things:
1) Awareness - a new person posting may not be aware of this
request
2) Logic - so we know who is saying what.
3) Responsibility - seperates the Adepts from the neophytes.
Denise, is there no background script setting that ensures users
put in a user name (excluding anonymous?).
This issue seems to be cropping up again and again, hence I
figure a post, might be of use, but delete if not. :)
Cheers
Paul
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Topic saff.hquk.uk posted
by ricenpeas User
posted on April 13, 2008 at 12:35 AM
edited on April 14, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Really like the saff site. i checked out creationist.org
afterwards. my jaw is still on the ground.
[INFOBURST:
http:/www.saff.nfshost.com Was the first esoteric
anti-defamation organisation set up in 1989 by the S.A. in the
wake of the viscious persecution of Marabas and the S.A. by the
British Media which resulted in the firebombing of the S.A.
Bookshop in Leeds by fanatical fundamentalists. Originally
Marabas had founded The Occult Information Interchange in 1988
to counter the evil religious lies which were the precursor to
the Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth. When
the S.A. was firebombed clients from all over the world
spontaneously sent in money to help us rebuild. Marabas put all
of this into a non-profitmaking fund (the S.A.F.F.) and has been
the main philanthropic contributor ever since. The S.A.F.F. has
contributed influentially in many ways to the freedom of speech
worldwide - the true story may never be told but a lot of it is
on the SAFF website. ]
Topic RE: Recent Witchcraft Execution
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I agree with you Karen but they are not alone. Saudi Arabia's
human rights record is absolutely appalling and far worse than
some dictator lead countries, but let's not massage the
political blind-spot. The machinery which works to keep the
Saudi royal family in power has it's counterpart in the one
which keeps the Establishment in power in the U.K. A ruling
caste of priests who set an impossible moral standard for others
to follow and then demand holy retribution against imperfect
souls who fall from grace. The British law courts are full of
this hypocrisy. Even in our so-called secular government the
same mechanisms play out - viz the manic persecution of
paedophiles. It's all mind-control. Check-out Marabas's Secrets
of Mind Control - you can download it instantly from the net
right now on www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindcont.htm which
explains how all Monarchical and so-called democratic systems
exist through unworthy people in positions of power enslaving or
sacrificing people lower down the socio-economic scale through
the gullibility of the masses in believing invented threats such
as Satanic Ritual Child Abuse, Freemasonic and
Atheistic/Communistic Conspiracies etc., Even Weapons of Mass
Destruction which can be deployed in 45 minutes!*.
(*clarification for overseas readers: Tony Blair used false
threats of Saddam Hussain being able to hit London with weapons
of Mass Destruction in 45 minutes to stampede Britain into an
unnecessary war in Iraq) BB Denise W
Topic RE: Recent Witchcraft Execution
posted by Karen User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:55 AM
I've long heard that the Saudi royal family, who insist on
exceedingly strict religious observance from their cowed
subjects, live the lives of total libertines themselves. Hence
there's a strong element of class oppression and corruption
here, as well as fundamentalist misogyny, religious intolerance,
etc.
Topic RE: Recent Witchcraft Execution
posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 19, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Hi Puretongue.
These witchcraft executions are utterly, tragic and a complete
and unnecessary waste of life. It isn't just happening in Saudi
because the SAFF [http://saff.nfshost.com] assure me they have
files of similar executions all over Africa and Asia which are
occurring all the time. Although there are cases where men are
accused the vast majority of people who are put to death for
witchcraft are and always were WOMEN. What we have here is the
same patriarchal hate of women from exclusively male priesthoods
who have feared the empowerment of women since time immemorial.
It is an absolute scandal that so-called enlightened and liberal
politicians in the West (invariably male!) turn a blind eye to
this extreme form of sexism in other countries whilst prattling
on at their home audience about equal rights for women!
The allegation that this poor woman made a man impotent and so
must be executed says it all doesn't it? If we are not forcing
men into raping us because we are irresistibly sexy we are to
blame for them not being able to get it up.
It was this misogynist attitude to women which fuelled the
Burning Times of the 14,15 and 16 centuries in Europe where
millions of innocent women who had nothing whatsoever to do with
the Old Religion were stripped naked and repeatedly sadistically
sexually abused in torture chambers in sufferings so great that
the occasional rape must have been a welcome respite from
unbearable pain before these 'worthless and indecent' ladies
were executed for witchcraft.
Of course the true value of the Ancient Wisdom is that it is not
monotheistic - the god and goddess have equal status and
respect. Many believe that a truly equitable society can only be
achieved on this basis and that women will always be
institutionally victimised in civilisations which adhere to a
patriarchal monotheism. What say you? BB Denise W.
Topic Recent Witchcraft Execution
posted by Puretongue User
posted on February 18, 2008 at 09:23 AM
In November, Saudi Arabia executed an Egyptian for Sorcery. They
currently have a woman, Fawza Falih, awaiting execution for
witchcraft.
Convicted after being reported for making a man impotent, Fawza
Falih is still effectively on death row, despite having the
death penalty revoked by an appeal court, but a lower court has
ruled that the execution should go ahead.
Now this is Saudi Arabia, but we can see in the news accounts
online (Reuters, Human Rights Watch) that the prejuidices and
oppressive psychological mechanisms in play in this case, are
the same as were obvious during the SRAM and still exist here
today.
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Topic Regardie/Wang Tarot: Devil card
posted by Aaron User
posted on June 24, 2009 at 08:35 PM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Dear SA/forum readers,
Greetings to all. I wonder if anyone here is familiar with the
Golden dawn tarot deck by Robert Wang supervised by Israel
Regardie ?
I have received a copy of it as a gift and the devil card is
very
similar to the Waite card except the goat's head is inside a
pentagram
...and there are two further objects protruding from the
baphomet's
head making seven points although these two
ears/horns/whatever(?)
aren't inside the star. I have checked the Golden Dawn book by
Regardie and can find no explanation, and the booklet gives no
meaning of the symbology. Does anyone know what these things are
?
Thank you,
Aaron
[INFOBURST: The symbolism on some tarot cards can be quite
eclectic and ruled more by asthetic forces, hence superflous
symbols and sigils may appear. This casual approach does not
apply to tarot designed by a qabbalist of the calibre of
Regardie and so you should meditate on the Pleides and the
sacred solids they often represent. BB Denise W.]
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Topic Restriction. posted
by Babalonuit888. User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 03:58 AM
Hail and farewell, as I depart to a Magickal retreat; a final
thought: A man, 'Rex', I believe, said:- "I sometimes forget
that S.A. have 'issues' with the establishment."
I will open a website inviting an expected very few, to commune
in an Astral Temple, soon. A relative? Let's say 'i', started a
trial run, as a music station advertised the name, with S.A.
added after 'Sexy boy' from China's perspective. The Holy Temple
was advertised, as Astral, all well and good. However, I
and,...'I' noticed an email request from a (to illumined
clairvoyant gaze)
windows 'spaces' investigator, to enter our/my site! No.
'I' attempted to explain which symbols were to be meditated on,
and when:- content blocked-'submit article' not possible. Temple
now erased. By whom? I've experienced an infiltrator posing as a
neophyte, trying to gain access via email to a 'worshipper of
the great beast' amusing, as I'd observed him two days before
email, on the Astral, glamoured in poorly constructed 'make up.'
Physical proof, and he ran, all the way home, with me following.
But WHO was this? Which section of the establishment? I've
erased several comments, which could place prominent people in
an awkward light. Be wary, Brother/Sister, my personal
experience lends weight to Fr. Marabus's theories. Let's not
lose our freedom through carelessness.
Now, I retire, perhaps to re-emerge.
Blessings, One and All.
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Topic RE: Rider Waite Tarot: Final word ?
posted by moon User
posted on January 01, 2009 at 03:30 PM
Thanks you Denise and all all who contributed to this thread. I
am enrolled for a local Tarot class on Wed. nights and they
require this deck. I was looking for a Rider made version. I
just ordered one from here.
Kudos to S.A.!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!!!!!
moon
Topic RE: Rider Waite Tarot: Final word ?
posted by moon User
posted on January 01, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Good information!!!
Thanks,
Moon
Topic Rider Waite Tarot: Final word ?
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 09:42 PM
Three part explanation of the Rider-Waite Tarot 'editions'
confusion:
1)The SA's Rider-Waite Tarot are made by Rider of London. I have
no idea of
how much stock SA have but what I can tell you is that these are
the last
ones made by Rider and the best available. They are excellent
quality. Once
the are gone you'll be stuck with the 'Original Rider waite
deck' below:
2) Rider is now owned by Random House and they subcontract
manufacturing of
the 'Original Rider Waite Tarot Deck' to a company in Italy
where they make
a facsimile of an old 1910 deck, slightly different from the
ones Rider made
(different because the colours are faded, etc, antique looking).
These card
are marked (c) US Games 1971 because US Games (Stuart kaplan)
have bought all
rights to the names Rider tarot/Waite Tarot, etc from Waite's
daughter, and
Rider/Random can only now print new decks under licence from USG
(losing
anyone ?) You can compare RW/ORW at
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/original-rider-waite/
3) America: The authorised American Waite Tarot is the US Games
version of
1971 available in several sizes, so ignoring the sizes there are
THREE
versions of the Rider/Waite Tarot.
Topic RE: Pocket and mini Waite cards
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 11:43 AM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 01:02 PM
Hi AJ, mine are the same size as the stanard playing cards but
if the minituare ones was what Denise was referring to then I
can see why she said they were not much use but I get on fine
with mine.
[Infoburst: AJ is quite right. The ones we sold as 'pocket or
miniature' Rider Waites were the smaller ones which were about 4
x 8 cm and it was these to which I was referring. To my mind
their only advantage was that you could take them with you
anywhere and, if necessary, even do a fortune spread on your
knees on a train or bus etc., BB Denise W. ]
Topic Pocket and mini Waite cards
posted by AJ User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Re Pocket edition of the RW there were 2 of these, one
interchangea
-bly called pocket and 'miniature edition'. The miniature really
was a novelty, a good bit smaller than playing cards, smaller
than
a credit card. (AJ)
Topic RE: Which Tarot Decks do you
sell/recommend ? posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 10:24 AM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Hi Denise,
Why do you feel that the pocket edition were not much use? I did
and still do still have the full size deck but was forever
dropping them when I tried to shuffle due to the size of them so
I purchased the smaller size which has identical symbollogy so
therefore are as good for divination as the larger deck in my
opinion....correct me if I have missed your point.
I didn't say they weren't any good for divination I said they
weren't any good for magical purposes (i.e. too
small/impractical to be used as symbol/meditation cards). We
cannot tell from here how a client is going to use their cards
-for divination or for meditation. Because the Rider was the
first deck with the possibility of using the cards as
meditational gateways to the pathways to the tree of life they
need to be of a size which you can see without strain from a
cross-legged position or seated in front of an altar and the
smaller cards aren't large enough for that. Have you tried
shuffling the regular sized pack end on? That works for me, even
with Crowley's thoth deck. ;-) BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Rider-Waite Blue pack/editions ?
posted by Alan User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 08:26 PM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 12:51 PM
I have the Rider-Waite. I no longer have the box and can't
remember now
what was on it, whether serpent or wheel of fortune ? I have an
instruction
book that says Rider & Co, vauxhall, London, yet the cards
are printed
US Games on the border. Again same background of lilies/roses
and yes the
blue is turquoise blue, but not really green. They have good
colours and
very plasticised. Does SA maybe have stock with an earlier box
as official
site for Rider/Random house has the box John describes.
Likewise, if SA
have a better deck, a picture might help if there is a link ?
I also have several editions of the Crowley-Thoth which vary
from each other.
Old 2-piece white box OTO design is very smart but the cards
aren't so good compared to modern editions: no 'spider-web' on
the borders and a greenishness
to all the cards. Keep well, Alan.
[Infoburst: Hi Alan, Well I see I have kicked over a rat's nest
of possibilities here. Firstly can I ask anyone contributing to
this thread to say in which country they purchased their cards
as obviously we only have partial knowledge of U.S editions?
Rights issues were different in the U.S. to the U.K. and
different boxes and back designs were used from edition to
edition. The oldest Rider-Waite pack I and Marabas remember had
the Fortuna card printed on the front of the box but on checking
our little 'museum' here I found a 1993 edition pack with
Temperance on the front! The oldest Rider-Waite pack we have
(from the late 1970s has blue cross-hatching on the back of the
cards (v.traditional). The current printing on our shelves has
Fleur de Lys on the backs instead and so does the 1993 edition I
mentioned. The later editions too all seem to have an Orouborous
snake on the 'fly' card but the oldest pack doesn't! I reckon we
need some Tarot historian who has kept track of the various
editions to enlighten us, though it makes no difference
magically, it is still a most necessary pack. BB Denise W.
Topic Rider-Waite Blue pack/editions ?
posted by John User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Hi Denise,
Thanks for the info on Rider-Waite Blue pack. I am wondering if
they are the same as the ones I have (one of few items I did not
obtain from SA as they were a Xmas gift). The box mine came in
identified Rider of London, but had a serpent biting it's tail
in a circle; blue card backs with white rose/lilies ? The box
title was 'Original Rider Waite Tarot Deck'. If yours are
different cards rather than just the box edition I'd be
interested
in buying a deck.
Best Regards,
John.
Topic Tarot decks posted
by John User
posted on June 30, 2008 at 06:40 AM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:51 AM
Hi James,
As far as I have read,
The Rider-Waite deck was reissued in America in the early 1970's
and coloured
in solid colours as all the publisher had was black and white
plates. The Original Rider Waite deck is a facsimile of a 1910
edition and the colours are more subtle and have more shading
and a water-colour look, I prefer the Original version myself.
The Thoth deck used to be available in a smaller edition but may
now be out of print ???
- John.
Hi John, Marabas says that the Rider Deck is so important that
it has been in pretty well continuous imprint since the early
1970s when the current revival of interest in magical things
spawned a market large enough to support it. There were some
poorly printed early American packs produced by novelty
companies on shoddy unplasticised stock which used to fall apart
after a few dozen uses and these tended to be the pale coloured
ones. (N.B. This is not a crack at American production methods -
these cards were purposefully made down to a price). In the U.K.
the cards were produced by the Rider publishing Company
throughout (hence the name Rider-Waite Blue Pack which is the
term sometimes used by occultists over here to distinguish the
Rider Waite deck - it has always been provided in a cosmic blue
box with the Fortune Card on the front as per tradition) and the
quality of their stock and printing has been proved excellent.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Which Tarot Decks do you
sell/recommend ? posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 07:38 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:43 AM
Hi, you used to be able to get the smaller version of the Rider
Waite which I think were called the pocket edition which I have
as the standard size are too big for me to shuffle. The deck I
have are more colourful than a similar deck which I believe are
called the Original Waite? I don't know if the SA stock these
but I'm sure you can still get them.
Hi, We used to stock the pocket Rider but they were really a
novelty -far too small to be of any use magically - and they
weren't that much cheaper than a full size pack so to me there
seemed little point. They went out of print some time back. We
will probably stock again if they become available. BB Denise W.
P.S. You can order a full-size Rider pack by
going to our equipment list and scrolling down to Tarot:Rider.
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/equiplst.htm ]
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Topic RE: Which Tarot Decks do you
sell/recommend ? posted by James User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 07:34 PM
Oops, I should have added I have seen some pictures of cards
from the Morgan Greer and Sacred Rose decks which I find
appealing but not sure if they're good decks to use or
even still in print ?
James.
Topic Which Tarot Decks do you sell/recommend
? posted by James User
posted on June 29, 2008 at 07:31 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:38 AM
Hi SA, Can you tell me which Tarot Decks you regularly stock or
recommend. I see the Waite and Crowley decks advertised but have
a bit of a
problem/issue with each, and would appreciate anyone's
recommending or advice on avoiding decks.
Crowley deck is too large to handle without dropping cards,
though very stunning just to look at, but for me not practical
and too advanced.
I like the Waite deck but it seems only available in the
'original' edition (Is this the one you sell ?). I used to have
an old copy which was bright colours but the 'original' version
is duller and has no blue, just turquoise/green for sky/water.
Re other decks, do you have to be aware of them maybe being not
symbolically correct ? Thank you, James
[Infoburst: Hi James, Marabas says the Rider Pack was the first
pack to illuminate (symbolise) all 78 cards. Prior to this you
had 22 trumps (picture cads) and 56 'normal' Tarock cards (i.e.
1-10, page, Jack, queen, king) but with Tarock symbols on them
(discs, swords,clubs etc instead of diamonds,hearts,etc). These
suit/minor arcana cards each had a significance but meanings
traditionally varied. Waite did the marvelous job of
illustrating the minor arcana so that the pictures showed what
the meanings were; as well as deepening their occult
significance in relation to QBL. Thus ALL modern occult packs
have been pale reflections of the Rider pack but with various
artistic styles overlaid. In many instances these 'new' packs
were the result more of artistry than occult knowledge and some
of them are symbolically and technically inept so you should
start with the Rider persevere with it until you understand more
about magical tarot and then when you are in the know make your
choice from the other packs available. The Crowley tarot is
large because the cards were intended for meditation/focus
during rites more than for divination. Anyone who can't find a
way of shuffling isn't trying hard enough! BB Denise W. ]
Topic Historic Waite Tarot adverts, etc
posted by David User
posted on May 03, 2008 at 11:34 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 08:18 AM
James,
Have you read A.E.Waite's Pictorial Key to the Tarot ?
Also, not the Waite deck, but the best book on Tarot
but very deep is Crowley's Book of Thoth.
David.
[Infoburst: Hi David, The Pictorial Key to the Tarot is simply
The Key To The Tarot with pictures of the cards - hardly
necessary if you have the pack. I agree with you that Crowley's
Thoth Book is an EXCELLENT initiated exposition of the magicians
tarot pack
(you can order it from here )
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm but does not
fit with the Rider Tarot Deck as some of the trumps are
transposed. Additionally Crowley and Waite disliked each other
intensley and represeented the New and Old Aeon approaches
respectively. BB Denise W.
Topic Rider Waite Tarot book
posted by James User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 09:38 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 04:00 PM
Dear SA,
I have a pack of Rider-Waite Tarot cards and
Marabas's Quatro Tarot OEXP and was looking at your Tarot
starter pack advertisement...can you tell me if a book is
with the pack and which book it is if it can be ordered
separately ?, otherwise,
which is the best book especially for the Rider-Waite Tarot ?
Thank you,
James.
[INFOBURST: Hi James, It used to be - Key To The Tarot was
written by Arthur Edward Waite specifically to act as an
introduction to his cards but it is temporarily out of print -
we should have more stocks late summer - you can check this by
looking at our A-Z booklist
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm from time to time.
There are plenty of other books with supplemental information on
the Rider Pack, in particular those by E.Connolly. The Thoth
Pack is completely different (Some Major Arcana cards are
switched) in symbolism and intent to the Waite Pack. You will
learn a LOT about both magick and tarot by reading Crowley's
Book of Thoth (use booklist link above) but not about the Rider
Waite pack. BB Denise W.
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Topic Rune work, and health
posted by Cherry_Ripe User
posted on June 27, 2009 at 06:57 PM
edited on August 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM
After several years of health and other problems, I am slowly
becoming involved in magic again.
I would like to take up regular practice again. I'm thinking
about rune stance/vibration, having been impressed by Jan Fries'
'Helrunar'. I tried it a number of years ago, and got some
interesting results, including an experience that shook me up so
much that I stopped for awhile.
I would appreciate some advice as to how, and indeed whether, to
proceed, given my health worries. I'm reasonably ok at the
moment, and don't want to mess things up.
[INFOBURST: This is a difficult one. In many ways one needs to
be balanced and healthy to be able to surf magical forces
without succumbing to negative energies, yet if one is
imbalanced with Chi and looking to heal onself magic is also the
solution. I think you should definitely read
Marabas's OEXP072
and OEXP073
which explains how to centre your Chi as well as create a
balanced mind so that your magical work remains centred.. If you
email me privately with the symptoms of your health situation M
might be able to advise a magical technique to use to rebalance
that and then you will be set for further esoteric exploration.
BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Old Friends
posted by Mazkuth User
posted on April 12, 2010 at 02:09 PM
I can confirm that Mazkuth, who helped guide so many people in
his time, and who did indeed work from the moorland of Devon,
passed away many years ago and is now on the Spirit plane.
For so many people that he helped, truly are blessed...
Topic RE: Old Friends
posted by Antaresana User
posted on January 14, 2010 at 04:53 PM
edited on January 19, 2010 at 09:20 AM
Hi, I put Mazkuth into the internet and came up with this
site.Mazkuth helped me with an intractable problem that I had in
the nineties and I have thought of him ever since and wondered
whether he is still on the earth plane. I have tried writing to
him at his address in Devon with no luck.I am still drawn to
him,to me he was superb.
[INFOBURST: Customers of the S.A. , for whom this Forum is
conducted, may be wondering why we include a thread on the
'disappeared' Mazkuth. The first reason is that the name is
sufficiently close to Marabas that clarification is necessary,
the second is to point out that of all initiates over the past
three decades only Marabas and his S.A. service has been
consistently available for all those thousands of people who
rely on him for spiritual work. Of course, he is getting
long-in-the-tooth now and will not be on this plane forever.
When he passes to the summerlands no doubt others will be
writing to forums about how they missed their chance like
Antaresana has about Mazkuth. I am not besmirching Mazkuth's
work but the phrase The Grass is Always Greener, springs to mind
and as an avid follower of Marabas I take offence at those who
do not appreciate his extensive efforts and successes. He has
probably the best track record of any initiate in this area and
I am taking this opportunity to let you know it.
BB DeniseW]
Topic old friends posted
by AnnB User
posted on July 29, 2008 at 07:38 PM
edited on August 01, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Dear Denise I think thisis a little strange I was not hijacking
the forum when I wrote about Mazkuth I didnt put any subject on
it so please dont accuse me of me such an awful thing
I know the forum starter was a bit put out but I wrote not via
the forum but personally to you
by e mail that I use to order and ask you anything
So it obviously found its way onto there without any help from
me
[Infoburst: You need to take care when clicking on links/buttons
AnnB. The 'posted by' and 'reply to this message' links are next
to each other. Press the 'posted by' and if the poster has left
their actual email address you will automatically send a private
email to the poster. Click the 'reply to this message' link and
everything you type will appear on the forum. BB Denise W<]
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Topic RE: Old Friends
posted by Bestarbeto User
posted on July 24, 2008 at 09:14 AM
Hi there
Has anyone noticed the post new
Topic button?
Topic RE: Old Friends
posted by John User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 12:27 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Hello Anne B,
Mazkuth, I remember his photo from Prediction magazine, the same
place I first saw SA advertised in 1980's. Is he still around ?
I actually mixed him up with Marabas for a time as a beginner
but once I discovered Marabas I thought Mazkuth might have been
less than the real deal. Interested to hear that you valued his
work. Didn't he advertise as a 'Pyromancer' or was that another
fellow in Prediction ? Interested to hear more. I wonder if any
connection to the Frater Sisto that Marabas keeps the memory and
teachings of alive in SA's witchcraft recordings...
Thanks for the memory flash,
John
[Infoburst: Hi John - No connection between Fra Sisto and
Mazkuth according to Marabas. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Old Friends posted
by AnnB User
posted on July 23, 2008 at 11:45 AM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:14 PM
Denise Over thirty years ago I used to correspond with a wizard
who lived in Devon his name was Mazkuth what a wise creature he
was.
But I wrote one time and received no answer tried a few times
more but then decided perhaps he was in spirit
Have always wondered about him have you ever heard of him
A kind man an excellent tutor
Take Care
Ann X from Millie and my terrified black nets
[Infoburst: That's lovely AnnB and you seem a very nice lady but
as I have to try and give some structure to this forum could I
ask you not to hi-jack a thread started by someone else for
another purpose. Bestarbeto was, I think, trying to obtain
readers' comments on the new wave of oppressive regulation of
alternative health care recently imposed by government and
drawing their attention to the fact that the SAFF unearthed a
campaign by the medical monopoly to achieve this over a decade
ago. This kind of information is far more pertinent than the
whereabouts of Mazkuth so I am putting this thread back on track
- If you want to correspond about Mazkuth please use the New
Post Button at the bottom of the page as Bestarbeto suggests
below, to start a new thread on it. BB Denise W. ]
Topic SAFF Vindicated - time to stop talking
to distressed friends posted by Bestarbeto
User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 11:34 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Check out this at the SAFF website.
http://www.pliner.net/appmb2/1c76fb/
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posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 16, 2010 at 01:56 PM
I should have said if you walked out of the shop and turned
right. The shop was brilliant and I loved the smells, also the
staff in the wizard type shoes that curled up at the toe.
Topic RE: SA shop on Google street view ?
posted by ethericsoul User
posted on March 16, 2010 at 12:55 PM
I can remember going to the shop that was close to a junction
and there was a pub on the corner if you walked out of the shop
and turned left. I cannot find this on google - I think there
was a park close by as well.
Topic Victorian 'ghost' picked up by Street
View posted by John User
posted on March 27, 2009 at 07:44 AM
I think the street view is a very dangerous innovation for
criminal use as well
as softening people up to accepting surveillance everywhere, but
on a different
note here's a story about a ghost being filmed apparently.
Best,
John.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/google/5051309/Victorian-ghost-picked-up-by-Google-Street-View.html
Topic RE: SA shop on Google street view ?
posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM
edited on March 26, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Hi Keith, hope you had as good a vernal equinox as we did.
Marabas has covered the subject of diminishing Privacy in his
Secrets of Mind Control Click here for more info. Nearly two
decades ago he prophesied that there would be no such thing as
Privacy by the turn of the century and that even as I write, any
person's life is an open book to anyone who has access to the
surveillance devices of the police state we now appear to live
in. From when you step out of your house in the morning, to when
you step back in at night everything you do is trackable,
recordable, visible, accountable. Government departments are
tracking you - in your best interests of course - on all levels
to take control of your health, drinking, sexual tendencies,
inter-social activities, purchases, and how your decisions
affect your status as a 'Citizen'. You would be AMAZED at what
information can be gleaned about you from a list of the
groceries you purchase every week at your local supermarket and
in a year or so's time M says that these 'profiles' will be used
to judge whether you can be a 'fit' parent, or a dead-weight to
the NHS amongst other things. Eventually people who do not walk
the automaton line will be electronically made persona-non-grata
and be unable to function independently in Britain. If the new
Stalinists decide that what you do and think is uncomfortable to
them then they can and will destroy you. The old way of doing it
was to set the media to persecute dissenters and libertines -
soon they will just push a button and electronically erase your
existence. But take heart! If only one of us exercises his/her
free will in the face of this oppression then all of mankind
will be free. Voluble freethinkers are the antidote to the
machinations of the Thought Police. BB Denise W.
Topic SA shop posted by
Alan User
posted on March 21, 2009 at 07:34 PM
Yes Keith, the SA is there. Here's a weblink to
some more pics of the old Aladdin's cave...Alan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tacobelle/tags/occult/
Topic SA shop on Google street view ?
posted by Keith User
posted on March 20, 2009 at 09:13 PM
Dear SA,
As an occasonal visitor to the SA shop on Burley Lodge road many
moons
ago, I couldn't help browsing the new Google street view to see
if I
could spot it. Are you on there ? There is a blacked out
building on
Burley Lodge road, no signage. Is that the old SA ? I've
forgotten how
the shop looked, I thought it was a one-storey but this is part
of a larger
building. On that note, I know your address isn't a secret but
what do you
think of the privacy implications ??? All the best, Keith
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Topic connectedness posted
by Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 01:03 AM
Names are names the best that has come out of Burley Lodge Leeds
is "Together we help each other evolve". LIFE
Topic RE: S.A staff posted
by Paul User
posted on July 17, 2008 at 07:46 AM
I am a past customer, and SA helped me a lot during my
introduction to the Occult and my Path. So I would like to add
my thanks also!
Thanks :)
Topic S.A staff posted by
T User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 02:44 PM
I don't know where this should go so I am going to put it here.
So often Marabas and Denise are praised (and rightly so) for
there fantastic help and knowledge but lets not forget the
others that make up the team. I don't know how many people work
at the SA but I would like to give Paula a pat on the back who
has on many occasions given me some great help and friendly
advice when I have phoned to order or enquire about things. And
how does she always know who she is speaking to and remember
everyones name with such a huge client list? I think it must be
something in the Leeds water! (wink)
Thankyou!
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posted by John User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Hi Denise,
Cheers for the info. It certainly seems to do it's job in giving
SA
gear its own unique energy.
Best wishes, John.
Topic RE: SA talisman/logo
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:53 PM
No, John, it is not a secret. The talisman in the centre of our
logo is the pantacle of the Archangel Gabriel from the Grimoire
of Almadel, one of the most respected ancient magical grimoires.
'His power is very great and he can do you great good;' In his
sigil there be taught the methods of restoring and transplanting
both health and mental force. 'It promotes knowledge,
communication, success, harmony and luck to those who hold it.
You can actually obtain a full size example of this talisman
from the S.A. See www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/talismns.htm
for full details. BB Denise W.
Topic SA talisman/logo
posted by John User
posted on April 24, 2008 at 09:52 AM
Hi Denise/SA,
I have always liked the SA's logo and wondered what the
seal/talisman incorporated into it is, what it is called
and from which grimoire ? If it's a trade secret then sorry
for being nosey !
Best regards,
John.
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Topic RE: Satanic rites/Enochian calls
posted by Graham User
posted on June 20, 2008 at 02:30 PM
Hello RW,
If you have read the Satanic Bible, why not try for yourself
and see ? If you want more info on the subject matter, go to
www.churchofsatan.com, left hand menu: Theory and Practice
and read the article on Enochian pronunciation, and 'on
occultism of the past'. Re chaos magic, see Liber
Null/Psychonaut
by P.Carroll on adopting belief structures. In satanic ritual,
we
deliberately enter into a 'belief state' then forget about it
when
the rite is over.
Hope that helps...Graham.
Topic Satanic rites/Enochian calls
posted by RW User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 09:58 PM
A question for any seasoned satanists, magicians, Chaoists:
How effective are the Enochian Keys(calls) as given by Anton
LaVey in
the Satanic Bible, are they ineffective due to being 'blackened'
or were
they genuine in the first place, also how effective are his 3
rituals from
the Satanic Bible (Lust, compassion, destruction) and can they
be
used for example by a chaos magician who chooses to become a
Satanist
only for the duration of the rite ?
- RW
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Topic RE: LEAH posted by
jim User
posted on March 05, 2009 at 05:18 PM
where is bab888?? he was a star!! please come and join us as
theis forum is sadly lacking without your insights and spirit
xxx
Topic LEAH posted by
Anonymous User
posted on December 10, 2008 at 05:14 PM
not all succubi are evil....i have a beautiful ones that vists
me sometimes at night, she has long flowing blonde hair and the
room is filled with a beautiful perfume..........she is loving
and sits close to me......
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 16, 2008 at 11:35 AM
ok, i will join a wizard's coven i'm male.......you make a good
point.....i need to be able to share my supernatural experiences
with a similar group who can talk these things throgh with
me.........thanks for your input, BB
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by AnB User
posted on October 15, 2008 at 09:21 PM
Please dont let this situation get out of control stop think and
listen to the advice people are trying to get through to you
Try stopping e mailing and start to sort out your thoughts
Right down the good then the bad and comare you are going
nowhere just backward and if you are perfectly serious illness
will folow and for what I said before meditate join a circle see
people(good)witches if you will and they will help you the forum
is no way to get help for your problems which are mostly self
made
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 15, 2008 at 11:28 AM
no.........you are COMPLETELY WRONG........I am NOT laughing. It
is not funny. If you read some of my earlier comments, you might
understand my distress.............and fears...........as Bab888
clearly did. COME BACK BAB888 !! you are very missed..........
Topic RE: Double Yoker.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM
No I am certainly NOT a wind up merchant.......ANYTHING
BUT......and your nasty comments say more about you, than me.
At least Denise can answer constructively & intelligently.
Topic Double Yoker. posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 09:03 PM
Thanks AnneB. Its good exercise for me, a wee Novice, and I hope
usefull to others. I have no problem in someone playing the
Joker. A bit of quality would be nice though.
All the Best
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by AnnB User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 08:10 PM
I did reply to you Rice n peas but got it in the wrong place
nothing unusuao there But that is a good idea to stop feeding
the person who you rightly call a wind up merchant.
A very clever stupid person who is playing double ames and
having a god laugh in a wisted way.
But all returns to come back again so beware and open yor mind
to the truth as it is.
Nobody starts with all knowledge an Adept has a long path never
ending Let the forum go back to its existence as it should be
its gone on for far to long as it is
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 07:54 PM
The problem is not that you are a beginner its your attitude. I
to am a beginner. If you have chosen to believe the nonesense
over the good advice you have recieved from the experienced and
good people of this forum, well thats fine. Im not going to
reply to you anymore as i think your a wind up merchant, though
i will thank you for your post, as i have enjoyed the sport.
Good Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 05:16 PM
...easy to say when you are not a beginner like me....and do not
know what to believe.
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Topic RE: Realities.
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 02:19 PM
No. I can think for myself.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 02:09 PM
well........if you listened to all of the things I have heard
ref Tantra.......you would be frightened too.
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Brill. Im glad you have made a decission.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 14, 2008 at 10:57 AM
hi folks........sorry but after what my ex-friend said to me, I
am upset.......too upset in fact to try Tantra. Am sure it would
have been terrific.......but this guy is unhappy in his own life
and is not exactly a good advert for it!!
So much for the (supposed) self-proclaimed adept !
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by Paul User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 06:55 PM
"Infoburst: On the contrary; I think luck9 is now well on his
way to personal empowerment as he has begun to trust in his own
powers of deduction and intuition. His future is bright having
escaped the thrall of NAN. BB Denise W."
And you sum up (what I believe to be) part of role of a genuine
Adept: to lead others to their own genuine freedom.
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 06:52 PM
Its something we all go through. I remember when I was 12 being
scared of moving up to secondry school, mainly because of the
stories of kids putting your head down the toilet. Luckily my
Mum kicked my arse and made me go, or, i would have missed out
on my learning. Now i am older and dont have my Mum to push me
forwards so I have to use my own judgements and confront the
bullshit. As with me at secondry school you will come to see the
deceptions. Asking us to replace one persons ideas of Tantra
with anothers is not going to help you KNOW. In fact your more
likely to get confused. Only with EXPERIENCE do you get to KNOW.
Like Dennise says, the candle Magick Spell Kit and Man Know
Thyself CD will put you on the right track, the rest wll come if
thats what you Desire.
If you write more fully and keep name changes to a minimum you
will get better responses. If you give you get.
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U
posted by confused 2 User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Ricenpeas I do not mean to offend you, or anyone else on this
forum and I am sorry for coming across like a person who cannot
think !
But I was just very distressed by what I heard from him and I
could not understand why he was telling me all this?? I am only
a beginner and his behaviour frightened me, and to be honest, I
thought he was completely GENUINE !! Now it seems people here
are saying otherwise!! WHO AM I TO BELIEVE???? HOW AM I TO
KNOW???
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Im not repying inplace of Dennise, She can do that by herself.
I am pionting out that your questions are annoying but not
intellegent and show you up for someone who can not think for
themselves. There are much harder questions in the universe than
is your friend a prick, as you say the answer is actualy quite
simple.
If you are to scared to try Magick then what are you here for.
This is a forum for people willing to take there Destiny out of
the hands of others and regain some controll in there lives. If
you wish to persist with this then shame on you Annon.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U
posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 01:11 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 05:04 PM
what on earth is wrong with asking a simple question??
Either this guy was talking crap / NAN etc, or he wasn't =
simple!!
I am too scared to try Tantra.
You clearly DON'T know the answer....so keep quiet and let those
who do i.e. Denise SPEAK..............
[Infoburst: Regular forum contributors can get impatient with
questions which are so badly formed that they don't give them
anything to work on so Ricenpeas is trying to jog you into
meditating more on your questions to get the right answer. You
shouldn't ever do anything that you are frightened of; but if
you have any fear of anything you should move the world in order
to quash that fear - and then do it. I think you are probably
aiming too high to begin with. You would be better flexing your
magical muscles on results magic rites to begin with - they
won't frighten you and you will learn to hone your magical
skills and then move on to Tantra if you think it appropriate to
your destiny.
See Marabas's
Candlemagick Spellbook here and begin your quest safely
and properly then you won't have to feel out of step. BB Denise
W.]
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Annon.... The world needs aggitators, yes!!!!
but they do need to be skilled. Maybe you should go away and
practice on one of the weaker sites.
Ricenpeas
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Topic RE: is marbus an actual person? or the
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Read the thread would ya. Your cluttering it with rubbish.
Marbus is a Goetic Demon, as already said, and please do not
confuse this with the name of Frater MaRaBas if thats were you
want to go next. If your going to do multi personalities maybe
you should change your writting styles otherwise you defeat the
point. Give yourselves a bit of credit.
Ricenpeas
Topic is marbus an actual person? or the
posted by lucylou User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 04:48 PM
name of something like an angel?
[Infoburst: Ha! I had a good laugh about this one. So many
people ready to mis-read and jump to misconclusions. Personally
I think Marabas is more like a saint but certainly no angel as
you would know if you worked here with him. ;-). BB Denise W.
Topic RE: ??? DEAR DENISE.....WHAT DO U
posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM
think of these Luck9 comments ?? Is his friend lying to
him......??
Is there anything accuate in what his friend was saying to him??
In your opinion is his friend just a NAN?
Topic RE: Forum Marbus/psychotherapy
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on October 11, 2008 at 05:16 PM
Nice. I tip my hat to you 888
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by AnnB User
posted on October 10, 2008 at 07:55 PM
Thank goodness and the gods that this has been resolved and is
now quietening down now to get back to the real nature of the
faith it feels that a clansing has been done. I did do a
meditation and incense to help but of course the power that the
forum would have probably done that already
Everyone forward with the faith and goodness derived from it
No returning to this distrastrous thread.I will always be very
proud of the help people have received many problems solve in
the pyschiatric world but of course we had our failures and
would all gather after work supportig each other over the rief
that is true love and respect for people not this continuous
torture of peoples soul and minds its unkind and will return
threefold eentually
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 10, 2008 at 06:00 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 04:55 PM
Dear Denise, you are an absolute star........I am really
grateful to you for explaining all of this so clearly..........I
was really interested in Tantra etc....but was frightened
because of that weirdo boasting about his exploits and his
"expertisim".......I feel really sorry for Luck9 having to go
through all of this!! He must be too scared to try anything
now..........
[Infoburst: On the contrary; I think luck9 is now well on his
way to personal empowerment as he has begun to trust in his own
powers of deduction and intuition. His future is bright having
escaped the thrall of NAN. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: ??? posted by
luck9 I AGREE WITH DENISE 100% User
posted on October 10, 2008 at 05:48 PM
edited on October 13, 2008 at 04:52 PM
Luck9 nine here.........yes i have to agree with Denise's
comments ref. my initial questions because of what a supposed
"adept" had told me. I fear that this guy was delusional with
all those things he said. A true Magician would remain on the
path & would have no desire to leave it. I am not in contact
with him any longer as i feel he was deliberately misleading me
& implied i was too inexperienced to be able to do anything
like him!!
[Infoburst: Good for you luck9. It's called piercing the Veil.
BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Forum posted by
poppy User
posted on October 10, 2008 at 05:31 PM
what is marbus??
Topic RE: MAD shrinks.
posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 10, 2008 at 09:29 AM
888..............would love to hear more from you........do
please write again........you are great and clearly very
astute.....so please come back and continue the
discussions..............
Topic RE: MAD shrinks.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 02:43 PM
edited on October 10, 2008 at 11:19 AM
It would enlighten ALL OF US to try to understand some of your
reservations ref Psychiatry..........we are all here to
learn.........and what about the "truth"?
[Infoburst: I think the reservation is that the only person who
can really see inside your own head is yourself. Anyone can help
you with objective perspective - that is what friends are for.
Whether we need to rely on psychiatry is another question. The
truth? Marabas says that Truth is the most dangerous substance
in the universe - so be very careful with it. BB Denise W. ]
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posted by Anonymous User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 02:40 PM
your friend is jsut looking for attention.........are you sure
he/she is a REAL Psychiatrist??
Topic RE: MAD shrinks.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 08, 2008 at 02:36 PM
No, fortunately I am not under the care of a
Psychiatrist......but, if I felt I needed help I would NOT
hesitate to see one. Many of these people are lifesavers!!
However, I do believe my Psychiatrist friend in Berlin is
deluded and telling me tales............I mean if Tantra was so
secret/difficult then less than 1% of us could do it. I think he
was just boasting and trying to show me how " magically special"
he was. Denise is right.........the genuine article HAS NO NEED
TO BRAG!!
Topic RE: MAD shrinks.
posted by AnnB User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 09:28 PM
edited on October 08, 2008 at 09:11 AM
Really this is just so crazy anyone can read the books that we
have to study to be a nurse and more so a doctor how old was
this pyschiatrist it usually takes a few years of doctoring to
beome good enough to follow this vocation.
Most of these people including me took our oath and promised to
interfere anyway with people either mind or body.
Someone who needs the help will be terrified by all this
chit-chat
A little knowledge they do say is a dangerous thing
My late husband said when I passed my exam at 98 am not quoting
this in a big headed way but to show I knew what to do.
What this very sensible man told me Now you have passed now is
the time to start learning.
Pyschiatry has a hard enough time as it is but when youve worked
in this media you learn to respect people who even to others
would seem obscene and yes I know all the fetishes bestiality
and have even nursed a vampire(truly) and a wolfman all needing
and receiving the appropriate help and respect so perhaps this
thread should be a little honest
And to me its downright disrespectful to ask Denise what she
does in her private no one has the right
[Infoburst: Your point about newbies who need help possibly
being terrified by some of the contents of this thread is very
valid Ann. Magic stretches the parameters of normality and
creates differing realities. Marabas believes it is best that
beginners realise this early on and are directed to seek those
traditional occult methods which are designed to reinstate
'normality' so that the neophyte's mind is not over-phased with
'the immanence of multanimous realities'. So few people realise
that this is the main purpose of theurgy. Outsiders see magical
ritual as an anachronism which might lead to madness - whereas
in practice magical ritual brings the techniques required for a
fit and willed consciousness. By discussing these things newbie
readers will be able to dispel any terrors that ignorance
creates. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: MAD shrinks.
posted by 888 User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Hi,
I don't know what that was; the thing with astral natures
is:realities are symbols are realities.
It didn't represent any part of 'me' that I understand, though
from the viewpoint of Brahma, every living being being is an
aspect of my nature, even at adept level it becomes apparent
that one has created the universe for ones amusement, and
ultimate bliss: To dream a dance of names and natures.
This entity represented...
I digress. I'm bloody exhausted, must sleep.
Why practice sex magick at certain times of year? Why not daily?
Why I didn't become a full shrink, even the vaguest hint could
cause uproar; I still have friends in that line......
No, I can't elucidate, sorry.
Must rest.
666-777-888
Bye-Bye
Topic RE: MAD shrinks.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 11:15 AM
edited on October 08, 2008 at 08:53 AM
..so he is insulting me by being bogus and grossly exaggerating
his magical skills/ sexual prowess......yes?.....in an effort to
impress?? Were you once a Psychiatrist......then left it?
[Infoburst: No real psychiatrist will boast about being a
psychiatrist! But a psychiatrist may lay you a false trail if
he/she thinks you would be better off running round in circles.
It seems to me that you may be under a course of treatment. Tell
us if this is so. If that is the case then legally you must
listen to what your psychiatrist says and understand that
opinions given in this forum are just that. They are not meant
to divert you from or replace proper medical help. BB Denise W.]
Topic MAD shrinks. posted
by 888 User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Hi Luck9.
I actually clicked on here by mistake,
I swore an oath to- Well.
My post was meant to boost you up. The highest paths of the tree
of Life, are the fool and Magus, only truly understandable by
their relationship to each other.
(Each card in the Tatot corresponds to a sphere or path on the
Hebrew Otz Chim: The Tree of life )
(AT this point I heard 'gotcha': Nooo, You've walked into a
spiders web. Excuse me whilst I examine the morning catch)
666
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 10:08 AM
why did your practicing as a Psychiatrist not last long?
Also I am commenting on my own personal experience, not on SA or
Denise etc.
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 10:03 AM
B.888.......I am sorry to be so ignorant, but what do you mean
by this post?? that I am a fool to have asked these questions?
That you consider this Psychiatrist a wind-up merchant, liar? or
what?
I am sorry but I did not understand your reply and I am trying
to.
Is there ANY validity in what he said to me? or is he just
another MAD bull-shitting Psychiatrist?? who is making me look
like a complete fool?? HELP!
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 05, 2008 at 05:57 PM
Hi Luck9,
A complete fool is the balance of a complete Magus!
Forget it, you spoke, validating yourself.
'Til a recent confusion blows over, I've restricted my comments,
in respect to Marabus, and s.a. teachings.
My first vocational study was as a Psychiatrist!
Didn't last long, guess why?
Any road up, no doubt we'll chat later.
Serenity- One<>All
888
Topic Jnana posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 05, 2008 at 05:47 PM
Hi Paul,
Fascinating. Not heard of this before.
'To the secret of all creation, I follow my own trail like a
dog.'
(Steppenwolf) Close approximation? A bit course.
I'll ponder, before making further comment.
Best Wishes,
One<>All
888
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Topic Forum posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 05, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Dear All,
I have just read a plethora of emails, written by forum users,
privately, and notifications, not all of which are posted; i.e.
deleted.
I must state that-This is not my forum, essentially, it is
Frater Marabus's.
Frater m has views which are, unusual, however, with respect, I
shall simply not discuss 'the offending article.'I believe
strongly-
'Do what thou will' :Act as the true will dictates. Therefore, I
will not confuse orbits, and respect s.a's will. However: Common
Knowledge:
Yes, it is common knowledge that marbus is a goetic demon.
Whether I have knowledge of this demon is irrelevent.
Again, common knowledge; to deny the demonic world, however it
is viewed, is to validate it's existance.
Those are my final comments on this matter.
Contact, if you will, s.a. for further understanding.
Please, write to the forum, not my email, RE: The reasons given.
Thankyou
888
Topic ??? posted by Frator
A'Ain User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 08:33 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Do What Thou Will shall be the Whole of the Law
A new visitor, does marabus mean the negative elements of the
dweller on the threshold, or shadow?
All occult schools we know of, consider the Qlippoth as
something very different.
We also cannot understand the paradox, 'believe only what you
experience, trust in us???
Even the shells have independent existance, being malevolent
shades. Has the writer misunderstood? If not, I cannot this
system, none of us could. However, I was curious, now I know.
Love is The Law, Love under Will.
[Infoburst: The statement 'Believe only in what you yourself
experience' is the first law of the occult. And we are not
getting into an incestuous intellectual debate on Existentialism
here. The statement means 'Take everything you hear with a pinch
of salt until you have proven it yourself'. Test even the most
obvious statements, including this one. This shiboleth should
particularly be applied to your statement 'all occult schools we
know of see this differently'. I deduce from one of Luck9's
latest comments above about his 'adept' packing-in magic after
getting married that the thread he generated is a classic
example of an earnest beginner becoming totally mislead by NAN
and then magnifying that error by creating a thread here in
which forum users made the mistake of assuming he was referring
to somebody who really knew what they were talking about. All
true initiates know that it is not possible for an adept to
'pack-in' his magick just as it is not possible for a human to
stop breathing!. If you want to start a debate on the meaning
and practical application of the Qlippoth then please begin
another thread. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Demonic entities.
posted by Paul User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 07:12 PM
Hi 888
Jnana/Gnana. It is Knowledge Yoga. 'I AM THAT' is a good book of
this by a Jnani ('Knower' is a rough translation). In relation
to this, I am also interested in the connection between Celts
and Hindus (If you are interested, I suggest some of Peter
Beresford Ellis' articles in regards to this). So I, maybe
incorrectly, see some Hindu Teachers/Gurus as modern day version
of Druids. :)
The idea of this system is that you become United with the
Cosmos/Absolute through knowledge. One method, which you may be
familiar with, is to continually ask "what am I?" or "who am I?"
and gradually work back until you find the source.
Hope this gives some insight :)
All the best
Paul
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 03:40 PM
....and he also said that he had read Crawley and had been for
some years on the path of the ego...........but he has now given
all of this up since he got married but has still kept his books
etc......
Hope this clarifies things. I would really appreciate your input
as I now feel like a complete fool!
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 04, 2008 at 03:33 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:15 AM
That is fine. I have no problem stating my interest. A friend of
mine who is a Psychiatrist practicing in Germany is claiming
that he studied tantric sex & sex magic for some years and
then carried out certain rituals with women at certain times of
the year to raise energy and ALSO FOR HIS OWN INCREASED SEXUAL
PLEASURE. At first, I thought he was joking, but he has now
repeated his claims. Frankly, I was too embarassed to question
him and make myself look really ignorant. So either there is
some truth in what he says, or he is a total mindf**k & is
making a fool of me?? Which is it?
[Infoburst: Okay, now we are getting somewhere. If this guy had
been a vacuum cleaner salesmen the likelihood is that you
wouldn't have given a second thought to his boasts but because
you are in the thrall of 'expertise' you assume the man is
talking fact when, in my judgement, he is simply exaggerating
his sexual exploits. It takes YEARS to build up a proper tantric
relationship with a partner - it's not something you just DO.
Applying tantric principles on one-night-stands may make the sex
more intriguing but it will not produce 'more power' or any NAN
crap of that kind, hence his opinions on the 'dangers' of sex
magic are, as is usual from pretenders and pseudos, a veil used
to distance himself from having to substantiate his claims. I
think what you are trying to ask is 'If I practice tantric
magick is there a danger that I will destroy myself?' The answer
is that all people destroy themselves sooner or later for at
some time we all must die but sex magic is likely to keep you
alive much longer than, say, playing Cricket. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Demonic entities.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Hi Paul,
Oh yes, a thoroughly fascinating post. I shall re-read many
times.
Thanks for your fresh, sharp perspective; You certainly explain
yourself clearly.
Jyana etc.? I shall have a look, 'tis unknown to me.
Very interesting. Very. Glad I 'popped in!
Very Best Wishes,
888
4Denise ;-)
Topic RE: Realities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:23 PM
edited on October 03, 2008 at 03:34 PM
12 entries back....someone called Anon said how pleasurable sex
magick was but mentioned that he felt an entity was feeding off
his energy and he felt it was dangerous etc.....he appears to
have been a Priest performing magikcal rights etc at certain
times of year etc........and this is what I was refering to in
my post...........so, is raising energy in this way, dangerous
or not?
I assume tantric sex practices take years of study and
training?? and when one has mastered them, one is then an
"initiate" or "expert"?? Is this correct?
[luck9, you are getting but you are not giving. I don't want
anyone on the forum to answer any of luck9's questions until he
tells us why this information is required and why it is so
important for him. If he doesn't want to discuss the matter on
the forum then he should write to me at
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
Topic RE: Demonic entities.
posted by Paul User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 01:38 PM
Hi 888,
I didnt think any of your initial reply was stupid! Lol
I have a hardback copy of Magick (through SA). Crowley is one of
the first characters a newbie comes across, so (20 years or so
back!), I studied some of his writings, and practised too for a
little while, before being led into Satanism. The
correspondences put me off (I did have 777 as well as some of
Kenneth Grants books).
Just as you say, I appreciate that as Occultists/Seekers we are
all looking at the same phenomena (to generalise) from our own
perspective.
You may indeed be correct and perhaps there are spirits etc with
their own objective existence just as I believe I am a real
person. However, speaking of myself: When I think about it, I
see no tangible person that exists. Instead I can perceive (when
I am not being a mindless automaton) myself more of an illusion
comprised of different aspects: body, thoughts, emotions.
Thought and emotion are more often imitated than emanate from
within me. There is something deeper within me (I AM), but this
also is not separate but is a part of something Greater (I speak
from experience not book learning). Hence, I can be logically
deduced to be 1) not a fixed real person and 2) to be
continually changing (food, changes body etc) then this leads to
my conclusion that all is energy and nothing really has its own
existence, even though you read what I write and others listen
to what I say etc.
So, I wonder, if I can see the illusion of my own being, then
what is the reality behind spirits etc? ¿
Hopefully this explains my views a little clearer.
At the moment I am more inclined towards Jnana Yoga.
Particularly the teachings of Nisargadatta (I AM THAT) I find
that it fits well with DL in regards to my own path. Other than
this, I am interested further in forms of trance (chant, sex).
Regards
Paul
Topic RE: Demonic entities.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Hi Paul,
Thanks Mate! Straight talk, truth, easy to mesh concepts.
Me, I study all paths, I enjoy what I've found in Dark Lilly.
But Thelema is my 'language', I have deep resonances with those
Gods.
What, I wonder did you make of the rest of the writing?
I kinda expect you to be whirled around a bit, maybe think;'
That's crap, that's stupid, hmm, might be something worth
thinking about, truthfully.
Might I ask, any plans for further study? I'm getting into
Enochia, can't comment yet, not enough experience. I've been
looking at Austin Osman Spare, again. When I first obtained his
stuff, I couldn't get much from it. Chaos magick apparently was
heavily influenced by him. I flicked through 'The Anathema of
Zos'
this morning, WOW, he knew how to explain mans lower nature,
making my observations pallid in comparison!
Please, don't consider me feeling offended, I like a proper
chat!
Take care Mate,
888
Topic RE: Demonic entities.
posted by Paul User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 09:37 PM
Hi Babalon,
Thanks for your perspective.
We are of course constantly moving on, even if it doesn't always
look like it!
Just as you are a Thelemite, I think I will always have DL
teachings as part of me :) Nothing wrong or bad in this, it is
my path.
But, so you know now, I have no interest in Thelema to be
honest, it just is not where I am or where I know I am going :)
No offense to you and your path, if the cap fits etc :)
All the best
Paul
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Topic RE: Demonic entities.
posted by Paul User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 07:46 PM
Not sure exactly where to put in my own perspective...
I think that deities, demons, gods et al are in essence energy
that my mind 'dresses up' as malevolent or benevolent. When I
was working in LHP system, I had energies whirling around my
Bedroom/Temple. One night this manifested as a giant spider
(this is all astral not physical!). I see this as an example of
my mind dressing up a form of energy into a shape that I
subconsciously fear.
(My view is based on the Dark Lily system)
Topic RE: Demonic entities.
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 06:08 PM
edited on October 03, 2008 at 03:29 PM
I want to sincerely and respectfully thank B888 for his replies.
I have to be honest and say that I know nothing of demons/hell
etc but I was very shocked to learn about Qlipah's etc. I must
point out that Anon described HIS FRIEND'S experiences, not his
own, so perhaps he should be VERY WARY OF THIS SO-CALLED
FRIEND??
From your experiences, what do you feel? Could Anon,
unwittingingly, be being made a fool of by his friend? Is his
friend actually evil/nasty/corrupted to be saying such worrying
things to him? Anon is obviously very concerned & scared,
which is why he has written for advice in the first place!
So,What is your advice?
[Infoburst: My advice is not to believe anything that you do not
yourself experience first hand. When pretenders in the occult
run out of their limited amount of knowledge they often either
make it up to avoid embarrassment or go off on a flight of
Yesodic fantasy to pander to the worst fears of the people who
are daft enough to listen to them.
Marabas teaches that Qlippothic entities are simply the unbound
negative aspects of one's own personality and meeting one
accidentally is a sure sign that there is a distinct lack of
initiatehood and occult development. Trust in the people you
know - trust in the S.A. If Luck9 is having problems listening
to idiots he should save himself a lot of grief and write direct
to Marabas about it for a DEFINITIVE response - this forum is
not a teach-in for people who haven't yet supported the S.A. BB
Denise W. ]
Topic Demonic entities.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 04:09 PM
Hi Every One, What a glorious, sunny day!
In contrast, my final words on this subject, are to clarify
points, for anyone whose been observing.
It appears that I've blurred lines between demonic types:
The Qlippoth, is the Hebrew name for the hells, and the
inhabitants;Qlipah, singular.
A shell, is the cast off vehicle of a man whose life has been
'evil' in the normal sense, e.g. a paedophile murderer.
These entities, have a trace of conciosness, like a smear of
holy oil, left in the shell, that's all. A sort of automaton,
not very bright: They will/do drain certain energies from the
living, to prolong their 'existance'. If you notice one, see
which magick will banish, or, destroy! Do us all a favour, and
cleanse the place, every little helps!
Example of a different type of demon. They eject the soul, and
drain energies from the body. Their form suggests they were once
human, with magical knowledge. However, they posess the organ
that gods, all spirits posess. One theory is that they were high
catholic priests, who avoided judgement, knowing the inevitable
outcome!A Goetic demon, reads your mind, these, different types,
seem commited to various types of evil. My Guru had one sent
after him, by a black lodge, who wanted rid of him. Myself, I
banished the offending article, as a teenager. Some years later,
stronger, refined, I dove into hell, and caught the 'thing',
getting its name, by applying Holy names; I chained it, and
looked at my dictionary of demons, which I'd not read, so I
couldn't delude myself. I found it: 'One of the 5 demons most
responsible for posession in the 1500's.' Well, well. I had a
chip on my shoulder, 'cos of 'it', and had eradicated every
demon I could find, leading to a fascinating discovery, at the
bottom of Hell. (Another time, I'll explain my findings)
Conclusion: 'anon' may be a qlipah in the making, but his
masters, are likely to be as described. 'Playing with fire?'
There's more,
yet I never would have explained this much, except that events
provoked it. I'm saying no more.
If you, the average aspirant, follow the admirable OEXP's,for I,
am not a natural Teacher, Fr. Marabus is an excellent Teacher,
such Art!- and study-practice, you'll overcome these little
obstacles.
I hope this knowledge serves you well.
Laughter, Joy and Holiness! Now, you're a little more clued in!
Serenity-One>All
888
Topic give Anon a break!! c'mon guys........
posted by luck9 User
posted on October 01, 2008 at 01:27 PM
edited on October 02, 2008 at 10:35 AM
you are being REALLY harsh on the poor guy.
As far as I can understand he just wrote about an experience a
friend of his has had.........and was asking the forum, whether
this could actually be possible?! or was it just mumbojumbo?
What is the big deal? It was only a stupid question!
[Infoburst: This thread involves really BIG questions about the
human condition and the bigger the questions the more easily are
they open to misinterpretation. Anon may not be aware of the
initiated implications of the questions he posted and other
posters may have gone off at a tangent based on a different
assumption. The problem does not lie in the questions per se,
but in the LACK OF DETAIL in the questions. Whenever you find a
controversy occurring in this forum you will invariably see it
stemming from unformed and partial questions. As Marabas always
says. The Question is often more important than the answer. The
Secrets of the Universe are secrets only because the right
questions have not yet been asked. Contributors should try to
give as much detail as possible when asking for help/advice to
ensure they are not misunderstood. Forum regulars were right to
question Anon's comments. Anon should have come back at them
with corroboration and further detail and luck9 cannot fight his
battles for him for the same reasons. Until Anon does
substantiate we shall have to move on. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: SexMagick posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 08:57 PM
Yes Anne B.;
I figured this post could have come from several angles,
including a 'wind up' by a sick person,. And yet, for those who
can hear, a valuable warning has been issued.
As a Teen, I was used by an entity as described, which formed a
lot of my personality.
I would not have mentioned this aspect, as it might provoke
'paranoia'. However warped 'anon' is, He's alerted people to the
the savage truth.
Serenity-One>All.
Topic RE: SexMagick posted
by AnnB User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 08:23 PM
Dear old Anon you really are playing with fire aren't I dont for
one moment believe anyone can be so ridiculous hidng behind the
computer
There are folks that can trance and picture you so stop being so
silly and enjoying winding up people who are genuine and are
only trying to help someone who knows exactly what theyre doing
Topic RE: Sex Magic posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 23, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Dear 'SPIRITS FEEDING SHOUTS A LOT', anon.
So, you observe your energy being drained, and declare you can't
do any thing. And thats it? Bend over? You've enough Spirit
light,
to be nutritious, yet have neither wit nor will to help
yourself.
You are a 'happy meal on legs' for some damned demon, and you
won't defend yourself. For those who may benefit: Standard
example: You are located; by your auric light, by vampire. He
enters your body easily, you have not performed the Banishing
ritual, raised shields. It ejects you from your physical body,
and you may fly,'000h nice' or "float in ecstacy above my body,"
as written in B. Stokers Dracula. I, for One, would turn back to
my earth body, and dive upon the demon lying in it, absobing my
body energies into itself. Unable to be blessed with the light
of God, such a creature exists on digestible human energies.
Grasp him, rise rotating the demon anti-clock wise-banishing,
vibrating The Holy name/s of God. This causes pain to the
entity, unable to bear 'Sun light. It is Banished;Thereby. Or
use distance banishing on Etheric/astral with pentagram, as
described in post below.
Or evoke it, if able, to bind and banish. Later, catch it in
Hell, get it's NAME, and, as a young magician, CONTROL. ; RAISE
YOUR WILL for your Heavens sake! Control this demon, stop it
using you!
I suggest:-contact S.A. when able... If you have the will to
practise magickal defense.
Such are the words.
Serenity-One/All.
888
Topic RE: Lol posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 23, 2008 at 02:06 AM
Yes, Ricenpeas, I understand your well put structure,
Demonology,
facinating.
I left a forum full of armchair Magicians, E.G. Of
conversation:- "My three systems in a book, can fit your
systems, so there are two distinct types of demon, the 'shells'
and the 'Goetia'."
"Exactly, we have solved the puzzle." "Oh jolly well done"
It was awkward saying-" Yes. The systems overlay realities. If
you got up and did some Magick, rather than balding, as you
ramble on, and on, You would dicover other forms of demon, as in
'Legions of'
An astonishing range of type, raison d'etre, age, family, known
history. They vary in intelligence, age and nature. 'Demon est
Deus inversus'. These must be mastered-banished; before Magick
proper may commence. Train well Warrior-Priest/ess, rule your
path well.
They will do all possible, to shock, horrify and frighten you,
for this is meat to certain types. Fear is your only real enemy.
When meeting an entity, appearing as your best friend,
perhaps:-)
Ask their NAME, if It's 'Nigel', theyll mumble a wrong :-(
approximation, or display other chicanery. Love; The holy Names
of God, hurt them. Trace a pentagram, upright, upon their breast
area, aim wand at centre and virate, boom: as you will, a Holy
name of God, or several Holy names, until it is blown away!
Banished!(-: The Tetragrammaton tends to do the job:-)
Enjoy The Ride,
One and All,
888
Topic Lol posted by
Ricenpeas User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 06:13 PM
edited on September 19, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Your presenteing yourself as an idiot Annon. Though I doubt I
can change that I can expose your superstion as childish
thinking by building a rough, rational, model which you can
grasp.
Whenever we reach a sate of ecstacy our subconsious mind becomes
suggestable. When we fantasise in a suggestable state we can
become "possesd" by an idea. Keep feeding this idea and you have
a problem, especialy if its not a sociably exeptable one. This
happens all the time to lots of different people in all walks of
life. In Magick we learn to manage our ideas through study and
experience so we dont fall into the pitfalls of being eaten by
our own ideas.
This is a very base approach and as has been pointed out, Demons
dont like to be called "ideas", but it carry the point thats its
better to Know Thyself than not.
Ricenpeas
[Well Said!]
Topic RE: Sex Magic posted
by Anonymous User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 04:50 PM
edited on September 19, 2008 at 03:43 PM
no.........the spirits FEED OFF OF YOUR SEXUAL ENERGY AND RITUAL
EFFORTS.........you cannot control them.......I know someone who
says he experienced this and he felt "controlled" by an outside
force/ energy but that IT WAS EXTREMELY PLEASURABLE.....HEAVENLY
[INFOBURST: Will contributors PLEASE make up a pseudonym for
themselves instead of putting in 'anonymous' or leaving it blank
- which by default causes an 'anonymous' to appear. Otherwise
newcomers to this forum will think that there is one really
eclectic person making contradictory comments when it is in fact
any number of people who have simply forgotten to make up a
pseudonym for themselves! BB Denise
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Topic RE: SexMagick posted
by Anonymous User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 04:47 PM
what on earth is succubi ?? how do you know if you have met one?
are they evil?? what prevents them feeding off of you/your
energy??
Topic SexMagick posted by
Ricenpeas User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 01:12 PM
Marabas gives instructions in the Chaosphere CD for using solo
sex to launch into the Void. It has a strong platform so no risk
of succubi.
Ricenpeas
Topic Sex Magick. posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 13, 2008 at 02:46 AM
Dear O.T.O.,
Could you please make a decision as to how to answer the
numerous questions on this forum, concerning Sex Magick?
These meanderings, as though through a maze, are growing,
tiresome. Surely, action should be taken.
Perhaps you can make comment, the Adept, or close, will
understand? I've subty explained it, (Not The Bud), but
obviously, not clearly enough.
So, Please, browsing O.T.O.: Ponder? As you will.
YITGW. Respect to All.
Topic RE: Sex Magic posted
by Paul User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 01:25 PM
I am not at all an adept of sex magic(k) but have had some
little experience. (My self-education in this is from the Left
Hand Path teachings of the Society of Dark Lily. )
I recall something from the Dark Lily (DL) journals on the
Topic of Sex Magic(k). The Adept of DL said that sex does not
necessarily have to be located between your legs. He was
implying that a person can be celibate (through personal choice)
and use the energy that would otherwise be used in sex for other
things. For example, I tried some celibacy and found I was
writing more.
Another aspect was concerning the term 'Know Thyself'. DL
suggested that the individual try all forms of sexuality (within
reason and as long as the person is comfortable in such
experimentation) in order to be sure what mode of sexuality the
person is best suited to.
I think Denise answered this question quite well, when she said
that "Most initiates use Sex Magic because it gives easy access
to the most powerful trance state a human can experience." This
seems to be exactly what Dark Lily were saying.
Just the world from my window! :)
Regards to all.
Paul
Topic Taboo: Sex Magic book
posted by Michael User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 09:17 AM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:21 PM
For a good overview of sex magick I can recommend reading the
book
TABOO: Sex, Magick and religion if still available from SA, by
Hyatt, Duquette and RA.Wilson.
Michael.
[Infoburst: Taboo is temporarily out of print but the reprint
will appear in our booklist soon as fresh stocks arrive. BB
Denise W.]
Topic sex with spirits
posted by sillything. User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Incubus succubus, the child who is always hungry yet can never
be satisfied.
Topic Sex Magic posted by
Adeptwannabe User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Sex with spirits impossible eh? Then what about Donald Tysons
Sexual Alchemy book then,sounds a convincing read to me and Im
sure Marabas must have heard of him.
Topic Sex Magic etc.
posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 18, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Hail and,temporarily, farewell. (I'm physically moving around
for a while.) To clarify last statement; I've been with S.A.
nearly 3 decades. Always an excellent aid in my journey. I do
not claim to be of Frater Marabus's stature, I am not a Teacher.
I have learned much, and, in my own, secret way, am an initiated
Adept. The more 'armchair magicians' I find, the more I realise
the Truth in Fr. Marabus's statement "One of The Few truly
initiated Adepts."
He most certainly is That! And more, yet He prefers His privacy
nowadays, I'll say no more. Many years ago, I pledged
allegiance, and that remains. I write, in gratitude, as, in my
growth, S.A. have
always provided for my needs, however seemingly obscure, E.G.
:-)Liber Aleph vel cx1, & incense : Babalon; "Certainly."
Arrival within days! I reccomend S.A. for all your needs, E.G:
be they Enochian, or of La Veys path, your needs will be met.
May All Attain. Enjoy your summer!
Topic Sex Magic posted by
Draconuit User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Hi. I doubt I can ever withdraw affiliation: After nearly 30
years with S.A. the last time I saw Frater Marabus, as Astral,
He is like
a brother; 'AS Kings ye are, as Kings fight ye.' We're so
linked,
I practically grew up with Him, how can I seperate? It's a good
place to be. Le Olahm. Amen.
Topic RE: SEX & magic
posted by Skryer User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 06:53 PM
No offence intended, but I have to conceed some people may have
no sence of humour, or are easily offended. God gives nuts to
those with no teeth - Arab proverb ... Fate is cruel!!!
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Topic RE: Sex Magick.
posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 12, 2008 at 03:18 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 09:02 AM
Apollogies, ego dead long time; vehicle transmits fom above
abyss.
I do not understand /remember 'sense of humour.'
Associate insists as joke, you meant:" Stick your c*** up your
own arse, as You are lying."
I withdraw affiliation.
Topic SEX & magic
posted by Skryer User
posted on May 02, 2008 at 12:01 AM
edited on May 16, 2008 at 03:38 PM
Seeing that you like confucius jokes...
Foolish man give wife grand piano, wise man give wife upright
organ.
Man who fishes in other man's well often catches crabs.
It take many nails to build crib but one screw to fill it.
Man who marries girl with no bust have right to feel low down.
Woman who go camping must beware of evil intent.
State of pregnancy exist when woman takes seriously something
poked in fun. Man who bounce woman on bedspring this spring,
have offspring next spring. Virgin like balloon:one prick, all
gone.
BB
[Infoburst: Well Skryer, Some would say you are mysoginist,
chauvenist, and unconsciously racist ... but I like you! In the
interests of balance perhaps some clients of oriental descent
would care to counter with a few well-placed stereotypes about
white men and small willies? Denise W.]
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Karen User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 03:07 PM
Sorry, Denise; I guess I should have said "so-called 'temple
prostitution'." Gosh knows what they actually called sacred
sexuality in ancient times. I only wish I could find more
accurate information on ancient tantra or sex magick as
practiced in religious settings, info that is not filtered
through modern preconceptions. Oh, for an honest-to-goodness
time machine, complete with multilingual translator...
Topic RE: Sex Magick.
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 14, 2008 at 03:03 PM
Well I don't know Draconuit, you were the one who started joking
about this subject with Karen. People who live in glass houses
shouldn't throw stones unless they have a good sense of humour
yes? Now..... did I tell you the one about the 13 inch pianist?
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Sex Magick.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Sorry, Denise, I don't know what you're tying to say. A joke?
Like
ego/flesh penis joke? Please explain yourself that i might
respond.
Topic RE: Sex Magick.
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 10, 2008 at 08:12 AM
Hi Draconuit - If you'be been practising sex magic for 30 years
you must be slow on the uptake - have you not found out where to
put it yet? ;-) BB Denise W.
Topic Sex Magic. posted by
Draconuit. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 06:09 PM
Exactly, Denise, this is not the place to talk of the
excitatation of the wheels, disclosing the (For Thelemites)
ultimate power openly has proven disasterous, repeatedly. Even
on our thelemite(=Sex Magician) esoteric sites, we don't discuss
it.
It's a private teaching, It is at the forefront of 'New Aeon'
thinking, whereas, as Frater Marabus points out, we are still
very much in the thrall of 'old Aeon' thinking.
It's good that this thread exists at all, 30 years ago it was
unheard of, to openly discuss it! Things are gradually
evolving.The
thing that makes this site fascinating to me, is its unique
eclectic approach; anything goes. Have a good one! Best 'o' luck
to all of Ye!
Topic Sex Magick. posted
by Draconuit. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 04:25 PM
A practising Sex Magician of 30 years, I thought a joke might
spice up this thread.
It worked, a bit.
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Denise W User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Ignore Draconuit Karen - he obviously never gets any sex so
wouldn't know whether it was rubbish or not. The general answer
to your question is straightforward. Marabas teaches that
sex-enery IS life energy (Chi/Qi/Prana/Odic Force - call it what
you will) and thus sex can be used to increase the flow of Chi
to heal oneself and others. Most humans are so emotionally
crippled over sex by the Xists puritanical control mechanisms
that they unconsciously retard their own Chi energy. I am not
advocating sixties free-love, but a balanced understanding of
one's own sexual energy and how it flows. It's YOUR body, not
theirs.
According to M there are a number of techniques which can be
used to direct this energy, before, during and after climax but
this is a public forum and not the place for exactitudes of this
nature because it's portent is SO powerful that discussing the
truth about it will bring the entire edifice of Xist opprobrium
down upon the head of anyone who dares - hence the existence of
the term 'temple prostitution' which you used unthinkingly. A
nice piece of verbal restraint from the Xists that one!
If you want to know what Marabas teaches on this Karen then you
can always pay for his time (see
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/enquire.htm). BB Denise W.
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Karen User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:34 AM
Are you sure? How do you know? What is your own
understanding/perception of these areas? Just wondering...
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Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on April 08, 2008 at 01:03 AM
No. It's all rubbish.
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Karen User
posted on April 04, 2008 at 05:56 AM
Tantra and sex magick are things I've been curious about for a
long time now; but finding comprehensible information about
either has been a bit of a challenge for me. A lot of books and
websites involving tantric sex are written so "esoterically" as
to be practically gibberish (or else they talk about little
beyond a variety of sexual positions). Ditto for resources about
sex magick.
Is it true that people use sex magick to gather and focus energy
on goals, or for healing purposes? Is it true that solo sex can
be used for these and similar purposes? Can it involve mystical
union with one's concept of Divinity? Are there parallels to
ideas of love and mystical union in Sufism and western mystical
traditions? Is there any accurate information at all out there
as to what ancient "temple prostitution" was really about? For
that matter, are there literary or online resources about any or
all of these matters, which are written in plain English (or
whatever one's vernacular tongue happens to be)? I'm not at all
fluent in Sanskrit, after all. Thanks in advance for any tips
anyone can suggest...
--Karen
Topic Sex Magick. posted
by Thelemite 8. User
posted on March 24, 2008 at 01:12 AM
Invert sex force, try withdrawing anus in as idea. Focus orgasm
on
breast chakra, have orgasm in chest without coming. Then throat.
Then third eye.Practise 'til you can have...
At this point, Thelemite 8 dissapeared, never to be
found>>>>>>>>>>>>>........
Topic RE: WHAT EXACTLY do I
posted by ISAAC User
posted on March 14, 2008 at 02:28 PM
I AM VERY SORRY.........what I meant was what magical
potions/workings/books do I need to perform sex/tantric magic?
Did not mean to be stupid.
Topic RE: WHAT EXACTLY do I
posted by Denise W User
posted on February 15, 2008 at 08:22 AM
We don't mind basic beginners questions on this forum but we do
expect people to think twice before posting unthinking ones.
Unless you are a paraplegic you already have exactly what you
need Isaac! BB Denise W
Topic WHAT EXACTLY do I
posted by Isaac A. User
posted on February 14, 2008 at 04:07 PM
need to perform sex magick?
Which is the best method? Is it on the main website?
Topic RE: DANNY'S WANGER !
posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 11, 2008 at 05:02 PM
I agree. This is the best thread on the forum!
Topic RE: DANNY'S WANGER !
posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 07, 2008 at 09:54 PM
It would seem that the vicar of Dibley disapproves of Hmmm's
saucey hankypanky!
Given the initial question put to the forum, I feel Danny's
input was rather on target! If Hmmm is experiencing group sex
fantasies, then Danny is showing a correct perspective:even if
this is unpopular with the over sensitive and the easily
offended!
Let's hope that a decent shag comes out of all of this!
Topic PLEASE DELETE DANNY'S STUPIDITY !
posted by To: Denise, please, please User
posted on February 04, 2008 at 03:28 PM
it drags the tone down.............
Topic RE: Sex Magick.
posted by feeorin User
posted on February 03, 2008 at 02:56 PM
hi all,
In fear of putting my foot well and truely in it! ive loved
reading this thread! and just to throw in my worth... i practice
sex magic with my partner, and i have had nothing but excellent
results from it!{blushing here} the only danger i can percieve
with sex magic is that of emotional attachment... meaning that u
go through something very personal when having sex (not true for
all ppl but true for most) emotions can get tangled up.... when
practicing sex magic its even more personal, so my only
suggestion would be not to practice it with just anyone when
first learning it, cause the fall out may not be what you
expect!
feeorin xx
ps. just a note.... nothing wrong with learning to practice it
on ur own! ;)
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Topic RE: Sex Magick.
posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 05:30 PM
I, Thelemite 8,writer of the previous entry, will state that
althogh the 'flavour' of the writing below is that of an O.T.O
mantra, I am not affiliated with the o.t.o, or Thelemic Gnostic
church in any way. One has a personal need to clarify that.
For if the fates weave the apparell, does not one's expression,
All in All, provide the measure?
Topic Sex Magick. posted
by Thelemite 8. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 01:27 PM
edited on January 29, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Greetings Lucky; Very Briefly, people practise sex magick, with
a partner or solo in order to raise and channel latent forces.
The O.T.O guard this, almost jealously, as it is the fastest,
most direct, most powerful, and most dangerous method of magick
available.
One cannot reccomend it, wholeheartedly, to anyone below Adeptus
Minor. Manuscripts, possibly of The Knights Templar, were
gathered together by a German sister of O.T.O, in the late
1800's, it was realised that here was the secret of the
Alchemists. One must be thoroughly in control of one
pointedness, for a deviant thought at the crucial moment, rather
than, say, incarnating an Holy energy, or God, may make manifest
a monster. The technique is astoundingly simple. As so much care
has been taken to protect this Magick, I
suggest that any aspirant simply wait, mature, when intuition,
coupled with, perhaps, a previously obscure sounding pamphlet,
will
show you the technique in serene simplicity. It is not my place
to distribute such information 'en masse'. This is probably the
response you will recieve from others in the 'know.' Patience.
study. To all things their season.
[NAN ALERT! NAN ALERT! Nah, can't have this Thelemite8 - in this
Forum you gotta get at the kernel of the truth - minus the
fuffle dust. Most of what you say is right but then you jumped
off a cliff. Most initiates use Sex Magic because it gives easy
access to the most powerful trance state a human can experience.
That's IT. The rest is cosmic foo foo. Sex is the most natural
experience and it is NOT 'the most dangerous method'. How can it
be? Obtaining trance by ingesting Amanita - now that's dangerous
- but sex is what we were made for so stop frightening people
off doing it - you are beginning to sound like a vicar. BB
Denise W.]
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by lucky User
posted on January 16, 2008 at 02:33 PM
please would you kindly tell me, why do people carry out sex
magick? for what purpose? how exactly is it different from
normal sex?
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Darorder User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Hi all.This will be the last time i will write,on this forum
with my views.I feel my views are a bit out of the box,for most
people on the forum,and im very much misunderstood on what i say
and It has nothing to do with anybody else on the forum.The
reason is me,i just dont belong here,as my practies of magic are
not of wicca but of country folk magic.And i dont think my views
would help anybody in the forum.Thanks for taking the time to
read my views.Take care and blessings Chris.
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 09:27 PM
edited on January 18, 2008 at 04:51 PM
Hi again,and i will explain what i said.For starters i did not
mean that astral sex was the dark side or drawing energy from
sex was bad either.But sex with spirits of old artful could
cause possession and mental illness,and there are some people
that still pratice this art of having sex in some cunning folk
orders.And by the way i dont have sex with spirts.I just meant
it is dangerous to do so.Plus i dont know what other people
practise on the forum,and there could be some cunning folks of
old witchcraft orders that might still practise having sex with
spirits.Thats way i put it down as the dark side of
magic.Blessings Chris
[DENISE ANSWERS: You can't get away with talking balls on this
forum Chris. If you've never had sex with a spirit how do you
know it sends you mad? The intellectual rigour required on the
SAEF is far and away above the Yesodic flights of fancy which
are common on most other occult forums. The idea is to improve
the argument not deflate debate. Marabas says that in a lifetime
of experimenting with the occult and with what is probably the
widest spread of contact amongst all occultists world wide he
doesn't know of any group, witchcraft or otherwise which has
ever had sex with spirits now or in the past - it's barmy to
even consider it. What would be the purpose Chris? Tell me why
you think someone would want to 'have sex with a spirit' BB D]
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 06:22 PM
edited on January 15, 2008 at 03:08 PM
Well,well,this is a intresting subject.My view is that sex magic
is important in the confines of ritual,not in orgies.Orgies can
be used in ritual,but everyone involved should be aware of the
outcome,of the rite,and understand what they are there for.Maybe
you should pratice astral sex instead,or sex with a spirit.These
can be most powerfull for your out come of the rite,but there
are dangers to this,and you must be very experience in magic and
understand the consequences of your actions.If you intend on
this kind of pratice you will be going into the dark side of
magic and all kinds of things can go wrong.Good luck and take
care.Blessings Chris.
[N.A.N. Alert! N.A.N. Alert! Almost every single creature on the
planet procreates as often as possible. DarkOrder will have to
explain how doing that will somehow involve a person in the
'Dark Side' of magic - whatever that is! Come on 'Chris' explain
how and when you last had sex with a spirit.... or is that the
only sex you could get ;-) Denise W. ]
Topic RE: More tea vicar !?
posted by lucky User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 01:44 PM
could someone please explain to me what exactly is sex magic? is
it rituals? what is the purpose of it? is it just recreational?
is there an entity involved alongside the man and woman?
Topic More tea vicar !?
posted by holierthanthou User
posted on January 03, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Hilarious but quite interesting to see the different reactions
to this
Topic. It seems that the original querent is suffering some kind
of personal dilemma ( Probably far more common these days than
our prudes would have us believe? )and that it has solicited a
mixture of responses! I do not see why Danny is wrong, anymore
than the average person who has these fantasies but is unable to
do anything about them.I also cannot see why he should be called
Shaitan!
What are the causes? Diet is probably something to do with it
but I would hazard that exposure to his sort of thing on
television is also responsible.We have to accept that what were
once deviant forms of sexuality are now more mainstream, and it
would seem that they are becoming MORE mainstream.
Do we have all the answers? Are we learning the answers through
experience? Hmmm has a healthy dilemma in this liberated age. Is
anyone able to offer some constructive support or advice like
Denise or do you just want to condemn people for their problems
or preferences?
I think he just needs to make up his mind one way or the other.
He could try it to find out he hates it or otherwise. Probably a
safer course is to accept it as a fantasy and to enjoy it
privately.
Topic it would be great if infantile
posted by luckylady User
posted on January 03, 2008 at 03:09 PM
edited on January 15, 2008 at 02:34 PM
comments such as Danny's could be DELETED..........this is a
serious forum.
[Denise Replies: I agree with you Lucky Lady and I am sorry if
'Danny's' comments have upset you. I thought about editing out
his vulgarity but as the rest of his contribution shows that he
is familiar with the occult I thought it best to leave his daft
comments in the thread enshrined forever as an indication of his
lack of focus - until he realises how inane he has been and
apologises for them. BB Denise W]
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 08:25 AM
You havn't got a clue as to the true working of sex MAGICK, have
you.
Thank Shaitan for that!
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Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by danny User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 03:08 AM
Phwaaaaw! This is getting me as stiff as a board!!! Please Hmmm!
Let me know MORE! Mmm!Oh!No!Yes!!Wphwaar!I'm serious!I know
exactly what you are talking about!And may I say, only we know
what we are talking about,because it happens at a post OUTER
level! As soon as one progresses beyond the 'normal' then things
seemingly -to our moral senses - apparently abnormal desires
become quite easy to incorporate into our lives ( This has
always been hinted at with sex magick being the preserve of the
'highest' order; when this seems, on face value, to be the realm
of the neophyte or probationer - but it is not!!).To sum up, the
neophyte is far purer than the adept:the difference is that the
adept knows it and the neophyte knows it not!
There is absolutely nothing wrong with group sex.It is normal
and natural.It is the way we were designed to be! Your greatest
challenge is finding the right people to accomodate your
particular ideas, because we are all different.The word 'gang'
tempts us into thinking that a group particularism is the way
forward! So what are you into? More girls than boys or the OTHER
way around? I know where - if you wil excuse the pun - you are
coming from!!Haha!
BB
Good luck
dirty danny
Go for it! People begging for what you have got ( I think?).
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Hmm User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 11:13 PM
Thank you,
Some good advice. I am aware that I would be unlikely to find it
in an average witchcraft coven. I have experimented with sex
magick and this is my point! It is just the group sex idea and
not the magick that is playing havoc with my libido - or the
libido is playing havoc with my ideas!
I will take note of the thing about yang foods and work on my
equalibrium but this will not be the first time! I remember
watching some heavy porn in my teens ( very little since ) and
this may have something to do with it? Using Marabas' hypnosis
tapes maybe an idea.
On the other hand I could try the swing thing - problem is I
think I am very fussy and my fantasies are quite particular! Hmm
- some kind of neurosis perhaps!
Thanx
Hmm!
Topic RE: SEX and Magick
posted by Denise W User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 07:01 PM
Greetings Hmmm
Well if group sex is your thing there's plenty of swingers'
forums on the net - this is 2007 not the 1950s. However you will
be sadly disappointed if you think you are going to somehow get
involved in it in yer average witchcraft coven.
On the magical side the ramifications of sex magic are no
secret and any good book on Tantric or Taoist magic will
illuminate you to the methods - however none of these involve
group sex but need a serious long-term partnership between a man
and a woman. If we take your enquiry at face value then any
change in your sexual preferences or desires could quite easily
be
the result of imbalancing Chi force (kundalini) through
mis-managing yogic and meditational methods. If so then
harmonising yourself regularly using the Sun and Moon breath and
cutting out all Yang foods in your diet will bring you back into
control (if control is what you want!).
There is nothing qlippothic about sexual activity per-se and it
is important not to confuse puritanical moral views on sexual
'norms' with the magical exploration of one's inate sexuality.
If you'll forgive the pun the only way you are going to find out
is to suck it and see.
BB
Denise W.
Topic SEX and Magick
posted by hmmm User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 04:23 PM
I am a male magician that has practiced traditional magick for a
long time but these past few years I have been incredibly turned
on to straight group sex ideas! Does anyone know why this should
be? These fantasies just happened quite contrary to my personal
expectations and family background. I do not know whether to
consider them as qlippothic forces stulting an otherwise
straightforward spiritual development or as enlightening
considerations and contemplations? Perhaps these thoughts are
natural but I don't know what to do about them.
What should I do?
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posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 03:14 PM
edited on January 15, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Hi, Romancingthestone.
Sorry, don't quite understand this. We haven't removed any
threads. If you mean The Marabas and Cook Report James Whale
Show Recordings and/or Marabas, Cults Book Cook Report threads
then they are still here on the forum. The SAEF is set up to
cycle the threads with the latest contributions to the top of
the pile so that frequent users can keep up to date with
proceedings more easily, so threads may not be on the same page
you saw them at before - but they should still be there. Check
out the Message Board Navigation links bottom right of the
webpage to make sure you can reach all the forums threads. Have
a look and if you can't find them let me know exactly what you
mean and I will investigate. BB Denise W.
Topic Shop threads removed
posted by romancingthestone User
posted on January 13, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Why have you removed the postings and threads relating to the
S.A shop? Surely these were of interest to the readers of this
forum?
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Topic RE: ? posted by
Ricenpeas User
posted on May 10, 2010 at 02:18 PM
edited on May 15, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Is a Black Brother only found in the LHP? My reading, not my
experience tells me that RHP and LHP have the same goals but go
about it a different way. They are both on a PATH to 0. Where as
the seasoned Adept turned Black Brother (maybe through fear of
nothingness), has retracted from there path.
Oyeah, what about Black Sisters, wheres the moral flogging for
them?
Ricenpeas
[infoburst: Black Sisters - nice one ricenpeas ;-) . You've
pointed out the inevitable hypocrisy which attaches to dualistic
thinking. How black is black? Who has not done something in
extremis which one now regrets? Pretending to be thoroughly holy
or unholy is not really possible. Most satanists I know are
animal-lovers (and I do not mean in a fricasee!). Many
self-righteous people are anally retentive. There are a few
truly evil people with criminal minds but who rarely have the
intellect to become a black or even a white brother. BB Denise
W]
Topic ? posted by V User
posted on October 26, 2009 at 05:13 AM
No.
Topic RE: Black brothers.
posted by Wolfie User
posted on October 14, 2009 at 06:13 PM
Interesting V. Using LHP terminology, a Black Brother is an
Adept who has reached Thaumiel and has finally decided that
their goal is the Ultimate goal of the LHP-in a word,
Seperation. And that is who a Thelemite refers to as a Black
Brother?
Topic Black brothers.
posted by Valazebek User
posted on October 14, 2009 at 02:09 AM
Dear Wolfie; so it would seem;
Indeed, 'tis said of the Supernal Region; that for a thing to
exist; it contain its own complimentary opposite within itself.
Therefore; to perform The Rituals/Formulae correctly;One does
'burn off' remaining Human karma; as One does inherit Universal
Karma!
Much is said of this region as most desirable;
and, noting V's previous comment, this makes a mockery of Good'
and 'Evil' concepts---
for there; these are merely terms to describe below Abyss
phenomena.
Of The Black Brother: He may thrive awhile; but with The entire
inertia of The Universe against him, his tower does crumble;
that He becomes as 'An eater of dung, in The Day of 'Be With
Us''
That day being, when, The Universe has expanded to its max.
potential; it does then contract, We; Gods, Angels, Spirits-ALL
ascending as One; into a period of Pralaya; The night of The
Gods, whilst the black brothers remains are strewn across The
Abyss.
Then---After seven eternities, say The Secret Doctrines; a New
Universe is created: The breathing out, of Brahma.
Just a thought; May it be of interest.
Happy days, Magick Brothers/Sisters.
V
Topic RE: Black brothers.
posted by Wolfie User
posted on October 13, 2009 at 08:03 PM
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law indeed.
Topic Black brothers.
posted by Valazebek User
posted on October 11, 2009 at 06:22 PM
Dear denise;
I understand your comments.
I did wander into this site; due to an reference within a
Thelemic channel.
Not realising there are many beginners here; V now feels morally
obliged to express His personal viewpoint; to clarify.
One may use Sorcery to win love etc. using The Four quarters;
This must lead to The Understanding of The 5th
'element':-spirit;
The pinnacle of The pentagram; that which governs and binds The
four.
That One may embark on The journey to Self discovery; as an
Adept:
having achieved union with Ones 'Holy guardian Angel'; The
higher
self; The atman; The true soul, which is as a Star; with the
background of infinity; A lifetime well spent.
The Xstians regard this as Godhead-The nazarene myth only takes
us to Tiphareth, however.
The New age current, does allow access to The supernal Region:
The Adept Exemplis; does often become a great teacher;
E.G. McGregor Mathers; today Lon milo DuQuette; are such
Adeptii.
However; some are destined to enter 'The Abyss'; where they do
gestate-emerging above the Abyss; unto Supernal Conciousness.
Rare are these few, There are those, who, realising this stage
of evolution destroys The ego-self, deny the Holy plan, and
build towers against The Powers of The supernals; retaining
their
earthly powers; which are notable.
( As, is, for example, The vatican.)
These damned, potent Magicians, are The Black brothers.
They have been given The Ultimate choice;
and through weakness or intent, fallen to The dark side.
There is simply no relationship between these fellows,
and The Sorcerer.
V hopes that clears up the matter; though He had no intention of
revealing such; on a beginers site.
Perhaps Denise can decide whether it should remain...
With Best wishes;
V.
Topic Making The Moment
posted by Valazebek User
posted on September 30, 2009 at 12:41 AM
edited on October 06, 2009 at 08:23 AM
'Technicalities...
Heat is good for cofee;
Heat is evil for ice cream.
Beyond that;
In peaceful interest now;
The Crux-Which your response Will steer.
Making the Moment-
V.
[INFOBURST: No, we don't allow that kind of obfuscatory comment
on this forum. Enigma must be used only rarely and never if the
adept can employ ordinary language in its stead because
beginners are viewing this forum. If you have something to
convey then please convey it. If you don't know what to say, say
you don't know what to say and let someone else help you with
it. I normally delete NAN instantly but will let this one ride
as an example to encourage others to make sense. BB DeniseW]
Topic RE: Sorcery posted
by Denise W User
posted on September 29, 2009 at 09:08 AM
Me too Wolfie, Valazebeck seems to be contradicting himself and
we are back again to the dualistic nature of human thinking
which always raises its ugly head in debates about the left hand
path. Obviously what Valazebeck thinks the term Black Brother
means is completely different to what you and I think it means
and for him there appears to be a strong moral objection.
Perhaps he would enlighten us a little on what that is and,
purely in the interests of debate you understand, whether he
thinks Hitler would have become the archetype of evil he so
readily accepts if Germany had won the war instead of losing it?
Churchill in contradistinction is the epitome of the National
Hero but we won't mention the fact that he ordered the gassing
of tens of thousands of Kurds after the first world war
(including innocent women and children) - just in case we
confuse one with the other! A proper discussion of negative and
positive magic should go beyond the moral snares of personal and
public opinion into the technicalities of magical operations if
it is to be worth anything at all. What does Valazebek think the
technical differences are?
BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: Sorcery-Thelema.
posted by Wolfie User
posted on September 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM
I've heard the term 'black brother' but don't know it's meaning.
Care to share? Also I'd be interested to know why you liken
black magicians to petty thieves?
Topic Sorcery-Thelema.
posted by Valazebek. User
posted on September 26, 2009 at 02:23 AM
V did startle at -'The Sorcerer and Black Brother' in the same
sentence!
V does gather that, perhaps most ignorantly; that The Sorcerer;
Being a king of The earth; Does use Natural Magic to satisfy The
needs of any Being; as a King; a Kingdom;; and the delights
which
The Magickal life provides.
The Thelemite; uses a series of formulae; to desired ends.
Both Thelemite Adept and Adept Socerer find The Same thing;
be it at The Highest; or lowest---Themselves.
The path of 'Black Magick' is a real thing; be it Thelemite, or
of Sorcery.
However; to compare a sorcerer,to a Black Brother; is absurd!
to compare a black magician; to a Black brother; would be like
comparing a sneak thief, with a Hitler type!
Magick is exciting! Ultimately; You form Your own brand of
'Music' having listened to many pieces; That is: of Your
personal
Moral structure.
Such is an opinion;
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by Rob K. User
posted on August 04, 2009 at 08:19 PM
Denise,
Thank you so much for that brilliant definition and
putting it all in perspective.
-Rob.
Topic Sorcery posted by
Rob.K User
posted on July 30, 2009 at 01:07 PM
edited on August 04, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Please excuse my ignorance, I am wondering if anyone
can tell me what sorcery is and if it is a proper 'path'
and if Chaos magic is the closest approximation to
what might be called 'sorcery'. I know some traditional
magicians may dislike the word as it seems to infer
black magic or a foremost interest in getting results
such as where Crowley speaks of sorcerers and black
brothers? is this all just a remnant of old aeon stuffiness?
Is a sorcerer one who can get the results where maybe some
ceremonial/traditionalists are just mystics ?
..Trying to cut my way to a path that is real and works,
Rob.K
[Infoburst: Marbas teaches that it's all about definitions. The
word Sorcery originally comes from the French Sortilege (to cast
fortunes using lots or runes) but has been used as a synonym for
Magic for hundreds of years. There is no 'path' of
sorcery as such, though many magical techniques are seen as
'sorcery' based on the idea of a 'sorcerer' Manipulating the
world using natural magic. Although it is often considered by
the layman to refer to the 'darker' side of magic, sorcery is
all about using natural magic to change the status quo and and
the methods are not inherently evil in themselves, hence sorcery
is the manipulation of nature for good or bad magic at the
choice of the sorcerer. This is often compared with Qabbalistic
Magic or Theurgy which, because its tradition is based on a
monotheistic religion, incorporates high moral principles
related to the demands of a god. Theurgists may therefore look
down upon sorcery as immoral but this is a limited value
judgement based on sectarian prejudice and sorcerers may
consider themselves ammoral. Chaos magic is therefore a form of
sorcery but not a path of sorcery. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: soul mate spells
posted by nome. User
posted on August 25, 2008 at 01:50 PM
Hi, hope you're well. Maybe my own experiences will aid, an
entirely unique viewpoint, well...
My first relationship was with a woman incapable of love, I
struggled with myself, one hot summer night: Stay in London, or
live
in a tee-pee Tribe for 5 yrs, studying, meditating. SUDDENLY!
I got it! I was fighting my own destiny! Leaving 'her' was easy,
I learned a lot about true evil through her though. I visited My
Guru of 18 months, He announced, solemnly, that He was moving to
Wales. "So am I", I said, leading to a fantastic five years in
The Welsh Mountains. I'm 'lucky', much blessed; I was given a
clue as to how to recognise my other half. I pursued Her for two
years, staying celibate, despite many pretty offers. Why?
Partly, I'm particular about the Ladys who've enjoyed my little
soldier, and, happily, I was an Adept, and saw not just the
bubbly, funny, crazy young Lady, but I saw Her as She would
become,and, years later, she was that person. (An Adept's
ability to foresee future nature.)
Rocky? We were explosive! After many years, we were both forced
to look at our bare-naked souls, it was SO bloody painful! But
we held hands all the way through, and now, nearly 20 yrs on, we
are strong.
I suppose it was inevitable, living with Me, well, She
accelerated from neophyte to inner plane initiate in 16 years,
something I/we didn't expect! The secret sign that proved it to
me? A Magickal event. Rare, no point in description.
So, Dear fellow seeker, I sympathise with your anxious
situation. Do you absolutely FEEL that She is The One? Then
pursue! After two years, I gave up, THEN She realised She should
be with me.
Much pain, many lessons for both. And now, total
trust/love/unity.
Maybe your Lady's not your 'other half', no doubt you'll learn
much. If She is The One, welcome the diffuculties, 'hold hands
all the way' and you'll learn much, as required in your lifetime
together. A life well spent. I wish I could offer more guidance.
No doubt, S.A. will considerately fill your Magickal needs. We
all go through something similar, it seems, in such a tender,
vital part of the Life experience. I offer my very best wishes.
FEEL! Is it REAL! Serenity.
Topic RE: soul mate spells
posted by JG User
posted on August 23, 2008 at 01:41 PM
Hi R&P's; sorry for the confusion. I have been in a
relationship which has its ups and downs....I want the person,
this person is my hearts desire, the relationship is rocky but I
don't want it to end. I BELIEVE this person is my soulmate but
even soulmates have problems right? i want the person to stay
but the problems to go....i thought a lovespell would be the
answer to restore harmony? if you think there may be a better
way i would welcome your ideas. Jules
Topic RE: soul mate spells
posted by nome. User
posted on August 23, 2008 at 01:54 AM
I believe exactly as Frater Marabus has so succintly,
explicitly,
explained.
I've sometimes wondered, is Fr. M. wired directly into Daath?;)
(The centre of all knowledge) Maybe! I, a younger Brother, do
not have the ability to put such truths into words: Frater
Marabus is a Great Teacher indeed. There is nothing further I
can add; your soulmate exists, The Gods may prompt you in your
journey.
Serenity to One and All.
Cheery-Bye!
Topic RE: soul mate spells
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Youre missing my point. Asking the Gods to bring your soul mate
is just that. Asking the Gods to bring to you the person of your
desire is just that. If you cross the 2 over youre being a bit
spell sloppy. How you word the intent is the key.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: soul mate spells
posted by Str fry guy User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Sorry, a bit harsh
Topic RE: soul mate spells
posted by Stir Fry Guy User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 07:30 PM
Why don't you just do a nonspecific spell to find your true love
and find out? I mean surely the Gods know better than you who
ultimately would be the best person for you in this life? Maybe
your just infatuated with your present target? Or just plain in
love with someone who's not right for you. We've all been there
haven't we and found out the hard way much later on.
Trust the gods.
Topic RE: soul mate spells
posted by JG User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 05:56 PM
Ok, let me word my question a little differently; if you use the
subject link of the person you THINK is your soulmate and target
that particular person but the gods don't think that person is
your soulmate then what happens?
Topic RE: soul mate spells
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 05:06 PM
If you do a spell for a soul mate, you will get your soul mate.
If the person you think is your soul mate turns out not to be
your soul mate you are in for a change in perspective sooner
rather than later. Dont ya just love it!!! The key is in your
wording.
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: soul mate spells
posted by JG User
posted on August 22, 2008 at 02:27 PM
What happens if we do a lovespell on a person who we think is
our soulmate but the gods decide this person is not our
soulmate? will the spell fail, will it succeed but not be all we
hoped it would or will the lovespell work 100% and we will be
happy anyway? An interesting question I have often wondered
about.
Topic RE: soul mate spells
posted by Paul User
posted on July 25, 2008 at 01:24 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:32 PM
I have yet to find a soul mate (if one exists for me!)...
I think it unlikely that soul mates will not have turbulent
times (we are all different), but perhaps a soul mate will be
more likely to stay with you in tough times and discuss
disagreements rather than let them blow out of proportion?
Personally, I think the right person turns up when you are
ready. Maybe magic can bring this change (internally and
externally) or perhaps magic is not necessary? I think it
depends on the Wyrd (lifepath/destiny) of the individual(s)
involved.
[Infoburst: Hi Paul, Marabas teaches that is is very necessary
to track down your 'other half' in order to complete the whole.
He says that one of the main purposes of repeated incarnations
is to develop the soul in this way - for each person to find
again their soul-mate from a previous incarnation in order to
twin the destiny and obtain magical memory thereby avoiding
having to re-invent the wheel and re-learn the basics in
successive lifetimes. Thereby increasing one's evolutionary
spiral. Completeing oneself with one's Soul Mate is part of
one's True Will - which is why love and sex are such powerful
unconscious drives. BB Denise W ]
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posted by Puretongue User
posted on February 15, 2008 at 08:29 AM
I was sent a list of American members of a club I was in (not a
dating organisation) who wanted pen friends in the UK. One of
the names blanked my mind for a moment in that way that
sometimes indicates a significant event in life has just
occurred.
We corresponded, met and married. Some 21 years later we've had
some very troubled times, but always made it through. Soul
mates? I can't say I know. All I know is the moment I saw her
name written down I knew she was going to be important to me.
Topic I'm the same....could someone please
advise? posted by Isaac User
posted on February 14, 2008 at 04:05 PM
edited on July 29, 2008 at 04:38 PM
Also, how can I perfom sex magic?
What do I need?
[Infoburst: Is this dejavu or have you asked this somewhere else
on this forum Isaac? To find your soul mate you need
Marabas's Spellkit for Love's Desire p100 see more details here.
To do sex magic you need Arthur Avalon's book Serpent Power
(click here for our A-Z Booklist then scroll down the page to
Serpent Power. BB Denise W. ]
Topic soul mate spells
posted by charisma User
posted on February 09, 2008 at 08:55 PM
So its a relaxed forum for valentines,:) so I have a question
does any one have any stories about finding what they perceive
as their soul mate and if so did they cast a spell to bring them
together? how fast did it work? and any tips on how to stay
together and finally are soul mates meant to exist in bliss or
will they experience a more turbulent life with many troubles
and tests while together.
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posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 08, 2008 at 02:00 PM
I went the other way on my first spells. The candle magick spell
kit n book. I was looking to learn how to cast spells, so, for
me this was perfect in a few ways. First was a choise of spells,
love spell, increasing decisivness spell, improving
conscentration, developing divination and astral projection,
these are all well up my street. Secondly was convenience, I can
carry the items needed in my man bag and set up a temple in a
number of places, the spells are short so Im in and out if needs
must. Lastly you have most of what you need in the kit for lots
spells and once you have done a couple you can easily create
your own. Its simplisity.
I suppose depending on what your looking for depends on what
suits and for alot of beginers the spellkits would be whats
required. For me I am working towards making Magick my Lifestyle
and the candle magic spellkit is proving a great start. I am in
no doubt that it is me that provides the power and Marabas
spells and lessons show me how to use it. To say one spell is
more powerful than than another is taking the Witch out of the
spell. What the spells do is provide the platform.
All the best
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: spellcasting
posted by JohnW User
posted on August 07, 2008 at 02:03 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 09:35 AM
In response to the question whether SA spellkit or SA
Candlemagick
spellbook's Love ritual is more effective, I bought the spellkit
a long time ago and it did indeed work. I also have and cherish
the
SA candlemagick spellbook and would imagine that for the
absolute
beginner
the spellkit would be better if only because it uses more
items such as wax dolls and everything you need is right there
in the box. You also have a good deal of kit left over toward
your
own magickal temple. I have found that the
spellbook is superb as
it has a very easy formula yet contains a tonne-of books-worth
of
info on the hows and whys of magick.
Regards, John.
Topic Emotional Content
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 02:57 PM
You provide the power, the spells provide the structure so
either will suit. Throwing yourself into the ritual is the best
approach. You can do a few practice runs in your minds eye if
you like. If your anything like me you will forget a few words
but thats fine as long as you do it with emotion, the Gods will
get the message. There is no problem in repeating the ritual if
your not happy, practice makes perfect, but try not to think
about the results to much. Let the Gods do there job.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: spellcasting
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 22, 2008 at 02:30 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 09:50 AM
Hi to ricenpeas. I have the sa candlemagic book but in which
would you say was the most powerful, the rites in there for love
or the sa spellkit for love?
[Infoburst: It's horses for courses Anonymous. If you are a
complete beginner and the relationship is at a crucial stage
then the
Love Spellkit is the one to go for. It's 'High Magick' in that
it is very powerfully structured by Marabas in a step by step
way so you can just get on with high level magick like an adept
without making mistakes. Marabas wrote the Candlemagick
Spellbook for those people who want to evolve and develop their
abilities in spellcasting generally. That is, people who want to
become an all-round spellcaster rather than put their all into
just one spell. If your relationship is not that crucial or you
are just experimenting or trying to develop your own
powers of fascination then love-spell in the Candlemagick
Spellbook is useful and very successful, but the Spellkit is in
a different league and it would be wise not to short-change
yourself if you want this man or woman for life. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: spellcasting
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 08:09 PM
Thanks again. I have worked a spell for a situation in the past
and then tried all sorts to get the ball rolling in the 'normal
world' to help it along but got nothing even though I had
visualised the end goal and left it to the gods. I have been
told I need to put effort in the mundane world as well as the
gods like to see me doing my bit. I will try the exercise you
recommend too. Thanks for your help.
Topic RE: spellcasting
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 08:01 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 09:39 AM
Meditation on intent usualy means making sure this is what you
Truely want to happen. Revenge spells are the best example. Once
in a quiet and calm state of mind I may realise that I am acting
out of some insecurity. Maybe giving x bad luck would effect
people I love. Is there a better way I could use Magick to
better this situation. That sort of thing. These are the only
obstical I need worry about, the Gods do all the getting round
of other obsticals and dont need directing on HOW to bring about
the desired result. There Gods after all and like to be treated
that way.
Marabas does short lesson on Meditation. The "lucid reverie time
travel exercise" helped me with contemplation and is a real key.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: spellcasting
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 07:09 PM
Hi Ricenpeas, thanks for the tips. In the spell I am to work I
have to meditate on what I want. Is this the same as visualising
it? But I am still unsure of whether this should be how I want
things to end up or if I need to 'see it' happening from the
first step through to the end result. The first step is the
obstacle that needs to be overcome but when I have done this
before it never gets beyond that point so I don't reach the 'end
result'. Am I making this harder than it needs to be?
Topic RE: spellcasting
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 06:24 PM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Maybe a bit of stucture might help.
The "candle magick spellbook" rituals are short, simple and do
the job, with no need to visualise the outcome or how it will
manifest. Clear your mind and think about what you want and then
pick the ritual that suits. No worrying about the "Hows", the
Gods do all that for you.
A technique i use for visualising Gods.
I find a God from my "encyclopedia of Gods" and spend a good bit
of time looking at it. I try to imagine what they smells like,
the sound of there voice, how they would feel if I was touching
there cloths and skin. I look at the colours, the posture and
expression on the face. When it comes time, I dont try to
visualise the Gods, I just remember them with all my senses. The
more I remember my Gods the clearer they become. Its like
remebering the colour of your car. It just pops up in the mind.
You can see the shape of your car, the smell inside, how the
steering wheel feels when you grip it. You could probable even
drive it.
Good luck
Ricenpeas
Topic spellcasting posted
by Anonymous User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Hi all, can anyone offer advice on the technique please. I have
read that I need to visualise my END result but when I do this I
my spells don't always work. When I visualise how I want
something to happen, ie, the first stage of something happening
I DO get this but then my spells don't materalise past that
point but just seem to fizzle out to nothing. Will my spells
work if I visualise the first step(s) AND the end result? I have
read books and asked advice in the past but still I struggle to
get past this. I always have belief in my work but it knocks it
when some fail to show results so I do need to overcome this.
All help greatfully received!
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Past Lives posted by AnnB User
posted on October 07, 2008 at 09:40 PM
Wll in answer my guide did tell me that I was burnt at the stake
for being a witch and he didnt want me to go through the horror
of it
He is a gntle wise brave and his wolf always leads me into the
trance often accompanied by woodland animals deer squirrels and
other a fawn in his(man)
So how blessed am I A friend done a healing and was surprised
how protected I am.
I can only think how lucky I am
Topic RE: Spirit Guides and Regressing into
Past Lives posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 02:40 PM
Hi. Anne B. Regression isn't always pleasant. I was a street
urchin in the 1800's, arrested for stealing an apple, I died on
a prison barge, age 9-10. That as payment for my appalling
behaviour in Austria, a hundred + years before. Before that, a
Quabbalist in rennaisance Italy, that was fun, and so on or
back. Painful, yes, informative, very. I was a beginner over a
thousand years ago, guess what I've become? Your Angel carries
on, Anne B. only lives once. Bless you in your quest. Email
subject link. When The Gods are involved, two Adeptii can drop
keys to each other, mainly in the name, and then meet Astrally.
Target for spells? No idea, I don't use that sort of magick.
Serenity.
Topic Spirit Guides and Regressing into Past
Lives posted by AnnB User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 02:39 PM
Denise not sure what this would come under so please put it in
the proper forum My guide who is a Indian brave together with a
beautiful wolf who guards me well I also have many littleguides
of forest animals squirrels included deer beutiful creature
anyway to stop prattling my guide had told me not to regress
when I was asked I have promised but asked why he stated I was
formerly burnt at the stake and he didnt want me to go through
the horror again. Two weeks ago I was asked to regress and have
turned it down
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Topic Spirit Guides posted
by Patti User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 02:33 PM
Sylvia Brown and Doreen Virtue have published a great deal of
information about Spirit Guides and they are well respected,
both by mainstream sources as well as Wiccans. Although plenty
of other sources are out there, they are easily read and can be
funny at times. They provide a very good jumping off point and
Sylvia always encourages people to take only what sounds true in
their hearts and leave the rest. I like working with someone
that doesn't think they have ALL the answers. Hopefully you will
find that to your liking too.
Topic spell posted by Kat
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posted on December 13, 2007 at 06:08 PM
Hi, does anyone have any info on spirit guides?
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Topic RE: starting out help wanted
posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 02, 2010 at 10:43 PM
no i must admit i have only just found this site. im very aware
of potential risks within magical practice and dont intend on
finding out the hard way. thanks for the infomation provided.
Topic starting out help wanted
posted by d.k User
posted on January 31, 2010 at 11:57 PM
edited on February 12, 2010 at 08:38 AM
hi there i'v had an intrest in the occult for as long as i can
remember and want to futher my exploration ive read as many
books as i can find and feel i've come to the point ware i want
to find a mentor and like minded people to start moving onto
pratical practice under safe guidence any help appreciated many
thanks d.k
[INFOBURST: Sounds like you are not a regular S.A.
Client....What do you think Marabas has been doing for the past
35 years if not mentoring thousands of sincere seekers in the
safest way possible?
See here to read a free on-line primer written by him on the
best way for serious seekers to proceed.
Finding people for dialectical feedback is easy enough, see the
Electronic Fellowship of The Sphinx here but realise before you
start that nobody can guarantee you a risk-free path in magic.
Once you are trained in safe techniques
(which Marabas can do for you here ) then how you are tested
depends on your destiny and the nature of your relationship with
the gods. BB Denise W.
BB DeniseW]
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Topic re: posted by
windymiller User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 01:28 PM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Hi there. I assume that what you are looking for is a structured
lesson type of thing where it starts very basic and over periods
of months leads a student into Magick slowly? If that is the
case then check out the SA's book selection-they had a very good
book there called ''Modern Magick-11 lessons in the High
Magickal Arts'' by Kraig. I'm a student and am using it at the
moment and would reccommend it.
[Infoburst: Click here to go to the Sorcerer's Apprentice
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Topic Starting to Practice
posted by Plisskin42 User
posted on June 15, 2008 at 07:52 AM
If, like me, you have done a lot of reading but no practice -
where do you start? With meditation? - developing certain skills
and practice? What's good for beginners who understand some
basic theories (i.e. like who Crowley was, what the Tree of Life
looks like -that level of understanding). All
comments/suggestions gratefully received. What I want to do
really is to put some focus and direction into my life with the
aim of expressing my true self (or Atman, or Holy Guardian Angel
or what you will)
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posted by matthew baker User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 02:31 PM
I think they might be asking about entity's like the mothman and
the like. Ill consult the i-ching about it and get back to ya.
Topic RE: supernatural creatures creation
posted by pejay User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 09:11 PM
What?????????????
Topic supernatural creatures creation
posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 05:13 AM
what supernatural creatures exist?how got supernatural creatures
created?
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posted by Mouse User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 06:11 PM
Fascinating! Is that particular talisman for general protection,
or what? I'd be interested in hearing more about it.
I don't recall receiving anything other than comfort from the
symbolic jewellery I've worn ... mind you, I'm not knocking
that.
Topic RE: Symbolic Jewelry
posted by Denise W User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I am sure that all our clients will have their own favourite
amulet or anecdote about the magical effects of it. It reminds
me of the true story of one S.A. client who purchased the
ancient Agathodemon Talisman from us (a limited edition talisman
sold by us many years back). He was a passenger in a car with
four other people in a head on crash the day after purchasing
it. In his own words the emergency crews that cut the four out
of the wreckage said that they expected everyone to be dead. The
other three had serious but not life-threatening injuries but
the owner of the Agathodemon just sprained his ankle! He said
that the really mysterious thing about it was that after he
limped away from the crash he saw that the central symbol on the
talisman had moved slightly off centre and attributes the saving
of everyoneŽs lives to it. Makezyafinkdonnit! BB Denise W.
Topic Symbolic Jewelry
posted by Mouse User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 09:03 AM
What, if anything, do you wear in the way of symbolic jewelry
(eg, ankh, pentagram, etc.)? If you do wear anything of that
nature, what does it symbolise to you?
For example, I am currently wearing a pentagram, and a piece of
jet with the Rune 'Ur' on it. The pentagram was a gift so it
makes me think of the friends who gave it to me as well as the
four/five elements, plus 'the microcosim in the macrocosim'
which is something I remember being in the information which
came with my original pentagram, purchased from the SA about 15
or more years ago. I also like this particular pentagram because
it's relatively small.
I'm wearing the 'Ur' as for me that particular rune symbolises
strength.
Any thoughts?
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Topic RE: Tarot or I-Ching? Which is the most
accurate? posted by Puretongue User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 06:03 PM
Hi there
There's also been a discussion of the I Ching at
http://www.pliner.net/appmb2/134a9f/362683/
Topic RE: Tarot or I-Ching? Which is the most
accurate? posted by JK User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 04:21 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Tim,
I cannot recommend Marabas' Instant I-Ching Guide too highly,
alongwith a copy of the Wilhelm-Baynes I-Ching if you're not
already using it. I also have only ever used the SA's ancient
coins so I'd recommend them as well. The I-Ching seems to in
my opinion answer any type of question, just take some time to
meditate on the answers and always record them.
JK
[Infoburst: Information / Background on:
Willhelm/Baynes I-Ching (scroll down A-Z list)
I-Ching Coins Offer
Marabas's
Instant I-Ching Primer ]
(and scroll down for Marabas's Instant I-Ching to download
immediately)
Topic Tarot or I-Ching? Which is the most
accurate? posted by Tim User
posted on May 25, 2008 at 01:35 PM
I have been reading the tarot for some time now but I am new to
the I-Ching and often find it quite confusing so therefore tend
to ask the same questions with both the tarot and I-Ching (belt
and braces approach) due to my lack of confidence in it. By
doing this I find the I-Ching makes more sense to me and I can
see the parallels between the two but often there seems to be
warnings/advice in the I-Ching that are not present with the
tarot spreads. Is this because the I-Ching is more accurate or
am I reading things into the I-Ching that are not necessarily
there, therefore putting my fears into the interpretation? Also
I find it quite confusing when asking about another person and
what they may do about a certain situation etc. When the text
for example refers to what someone should do, is this referring
to the person you are asking about (who is unaware of the
consulting the oracle) or is this reference to the person doing
the asking? Tips on the use of the I-Ching would be appreciated
from the advanced users.
Thanks all.
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posted by Thelemite 8 User
posted on May 04, 2008 at 06:43 AM
Not a mistake, posting on Temple of Set, a clue, perhaps. There
are no coincidences, to my mind, only cause & effect.
Keep on striving ,William, you have friends. We've all had
trials.......
Topic RE: Contacting God/s
posted by Karen User
posted on April 26, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Oh, my, sounds like your psychic shield may have been disturbed
to some degree; especially if you undertook your spiritual
exercises with any degree of fear or anxiety. I don't know of
any good advice to give, but I had a paranormal experience once
that left me very psychically open, and gave me the feeling of
swinging from side to side in and out of my body. Fortunately, a
friend of mine (also my first shamanism teacher) gave me
directions for an upper-world journey (based on Jack and the
Beanstalk, of all things); and it worked in getting my psychic
shield realigned. I'm still a bit more sensitive than I was
before, but the healing worked, in any case. I don't know if
this is what you need or not; but I recommend a good
professional consultation with a specialist in psychic defense
issues and possibly soul retrieval. All the best to you,
William, and take care of yourself!
Topic RE: Contacting God/s
posted by William H User
posted on April 24, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Dear Thelemite 8,
Thank you for your reply.
I am definitely onto something and have taken your
advice. Also having some increased experiences in
lucid dreams, meeting personalities in dreams, etc.
PS. I posted this on the 'Temple of Set'
thread by mistake. If possible could it be moved ?
Regards, WH
Topic RE: Contacting God/s
posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 04:59 PM
Hi William,
You seem to have overlooked 'Opening The Temple.'
Observe, if you will, that all esoteric Ritual, be it Wiccian,
Thelemite or wot-not,begins with a banishing; a purification and
consecration. You make no mention of casting a circle of any
form.
I do imagine that You have been fortunate, that you have only,
disturbed an entity's habitat.
Fortune also smiles on You, in that Frater Marabus supplies
'quickie spells' that should alleviate your discomfort.
If you explain your situation to The S.A, they will supply you
with the appropriate knowledge.
A clear idea of path would help, E.G. Qabala or Wicca? A clear
statement of intent, : invoking a specific God is also a good
idea for the beginner to contemplate.
All beginners, will hear voices, if you do well, you will
experience full manifestation of entities, as you intend; to
communicate telepathically during Ritual is normal, as I
percieve it. To have no control over the situation is, probably
the plight
of the psychotic.
To any beginners out there, it is wise to prepare yourselves
with the formalities of ritual, and prepare to work hard.
Aside from this 'false start', William, you seem to be achieving
a degree of success. S.A. supply a vast range of knowledge,
enjoy the
ride!
Topic Contacting God/s
posted by William H User
posted on March 09, 2008 at 02:40 AM
Recently I have been trying to seek a God. I have often went to
a quiet place and meditated and prayed for my God/s to reveal
themselves to me. I have looked up various Gods of different
pantheons that I feel some affinity with. I also try and get a
feeling of closeness to the 'divine'through running and hard
exercise which I find is good for overcoming the ego, and having
nice countryside all around.
The past few weeks I've had some weird experiences, a lightness
and faint-feeling where I feel half-out of body, and the past
few days I feel as though there is an almost electric energy
field around me which is sometimes so strong the skin of my
scalp tightens up and I get shivers down my neck and a queezy,
dizzy feeling. I recently went to a secluded dark room to try
and meditate to open my mind to this 'force' but it felt so
overwhelming like I had a voice in my head saying 'get out !' I
was really scared. I feel as though someone or something is
trying to speak to me, maybe not in actual words, but
communicate on some level, but the signal is not coming through
properly. Does this make sense to anyone ? I'm not a paranoid
schizophrenic or at least I don't think so !
Rgds,
William.
Topic NOX posted by Claire
User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 01:33 PM
Hi,
Could you explain what N.O.X. is ?
Presumably the same as NOX/Nox which
I've herad of also ?
Best,
Claire
Topic RE: Temple of Set
posted by Thelemite 8-The vicar. User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 08:26 AM
Greetings, in agreement here too, I know Set as a God within a
formula of Gods; to seperate Set, therefore N.O.X, as well, one
might as well go straight to la veys work. Personally, I've
tried some la vey ritual, and found it as useful to me as Set
without Horus; not my path, different strokes for different
folks, Denise talks clear sense. Hope this makes sense to some!
Topic RE: Temple of Set
posted by Denise W User
posted on February 29, 2008 at 04:04 PM
The ToS are so paranoic they will probably think that we have
started this thread as some kind of double-think but I can
assure them that it is genuine. As far as I am aware the T.O.S.
are still being harried by Satan Hunter evangelists (Aquino
apparently recently tried to bring one detractor, who had
electronically stalked him, to court - and failed) but we don't
have any contact with them at all. If anyone asks we usually
direct people who want to know about genuine satanism to Anton
LaVey's Church of Satan where bugger is something they say when
they stub their toes! BB Denise W.
Topic RE: posted by
Anonymous User
posted on February 28, 2008 at 05:41 PM
I think that what you choose to get up to is your own business!
If this back door style initiation is what you want, then why
not! It's your choice.
Topic RE: Temple of Set
posted by Puretongue User
posted on February 28, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I look at the SAFF website http://http://saff.nfshost.com/ for
the up to date stuff.
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Topic Temple of Set posted
by gilmore User
posted on February 27, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Hi,
Love the new forum. Used to read Lamp of Thoth years ago
and remembering all the satanic abuse BS, the Cook report
posting got me wondering if the Temple of Set is still
active in the UK and if they're still the same as they
were back then ? Dodgy to say the least. Offered to initiate
me by anal sex when I contacted them via an advert in Dark
Lily magazine. Or has the SA and ToS made up since those days
of the Fallax memorandum, etc ?
Cheers, Gilmore.
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Topic RE: Daklight. posted
by Denise W User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I am in agreement with you Thelemite-8 but newbies seem to love
the cut and thrust of the forum when it throws lux onto that
large array of svengali like wannabees out there. If Darklight
wants to put his head in the lionŽs mouth he has the freedom to
do it here! ;-) BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Daklight. posted
by Denise W User
posted on March 08, 2008 at 12:08 PM
edited on March 08, 2008 at 12:09 PM
....
Topic Daklight. posted by
Thelemite 8 -the vicar. User
posted on March 07, 2008 at 04:58 AM
In agreement Denise; the term only makes sense above the abyss,
wrathful=benevolent.
One see's no validity, thereby/therefore.
Can I say I think this entire concept is ' bollocks' on this
forum? Sterile, at that.
Topic RE: temple of the black light
posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 29, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Wooaah! A WRATHFUL Gnostic Left Hand Path no less. Excuse me
whilst I run to the toilet. I wonder how they worked that one
out - seeing as how traditional Gnosticism means the direct
individual experience of God and refutes any received wisdom.
It's about as transparent as the term 'Black Light'. Any sixth
grade physics student knows that black isn't a colour but an
absence of it. C'mon you lot - explain yourself or get off the
forum.
Denise W.
Topic RE: temple of the black light
posted by challenge-chronzon333 User
posted on February 24, 2008 at 10:30 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Hi there,
The Temple of the Black Light actually have a website...here is
the link; http://www.templeoftthebbacklight.net/main.html
I hope this is of use to you.
Topic temple of the black light
posted by Me User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 11:41 AM
does any body have any info on an order called the temple of the
black light a wrathful gnostic left hand path
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Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT:
HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Denise W
User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 09:44 AM
The true story of how Marabas stepped into the breach to protect
the freedom of belief of every free-thinker in a unique
historical situation which, had he not been up to the job, could
have set us all back, literally to the dark ages can only be
told after his death, but it is no exaggeraton to say that he
and a small coterie of his supporters and followers in the SAFF
did phenomenal things to turned the tide of intolerance and
succeeded in many absolutely astonishing ways at very
influential levels in a fight anyone else would have thought
impossible. Without magic it would have been impossible! Kimball
is right - if you track the stories of many key players in the
SRAM scare you will see that the only one that has emerged with
any dignity and with positive outcome is Marabas whereas you
will find a trail littered with dishonour, disgrace and
destruction for many. The key thing in all this was that M
rightly identified what was happening on a cosmic scale and
focussed his energies upon the bigger picture rather than, as
many might, being lured in to trading bullets with personalities
in skirmishes which disguised the main thrust of what was
happening. Only a visionary like M could do that. If you want to
truly get to know what that period meant and what M did, then
you should read his Secrets of Mind Control (see
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindcont.htm for details.
) BB Denise W
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT:
HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Denise W.
User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 09:43 AM
Anonymous asks why didn't Marabas use magic to stop the
persecution of the S.A. What makes you think he didn't? Let's
set the scene. It's the 1990s. To the left are ranged a host of
snipe-nosed Xists. Literally thousands of fanatical religious
agent provocateurs in influential positions within British
Society who have spent years preparing themselves for the onset
of the Tribulations prior to Armageddon as the century closes.
Next to them we have the self-serving Child Scare Industry -
thousands of people and organisations making BIG bucks out of
the peoples' natural instinct to protect children from harm.
From powerful political lobbyists like the NSPCC with the ear of
prime ministers to radical feminist marxists who believe that
Satan is the ultimate rapist. Caught in the middle are the
politicians and the police who waste literally millions of
pounds chasing phantoms of the imaginations of neurotics who
believe that any horrific thing they can fantisise must have
happened somewhere to someone because it just popped into their
heads. Lastly on this side we have the ranks of the great
British Media, now having to pander to any sensationalism to
stall its demise in the digital age. At one time the British
press could happily earn a few bob patronising the stereotypical
fears of White Anglo Saxon Protestants in a orgfest of
persecuting queers, tarts, blackies, micks, Defrocked Catholic
Priests, and MPs who enjoyed being whipped by 'prossies'. Today,
sadly, due to changing times and the British Human Rights act
their remit is much reduced. In fact the only section of the
populace the British Press feel they can persecute with impunity
is us, witches, magicians, satanists, psychics and 'New Age
Gurus'. So all of these powerful and astonishingly well
resourced groups are here on the left - who do we have resisting
them to the right? Oh, look, it's some guy in a little bookshop
in downtown Leeds. More....
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT:
HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by kimball
User
posted on May 15, 2008 at 06:15 AM
you dont have to destroy the walnut with a sledge hammer.many
things about the case and the villians who wear behinde it (and
what happen to them) wear never reported arfter the satan scare
died down. of course by this time the media had had its pound of
flesh and was looking for its next scapegoat.
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT:
HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Anonymous
User
posted on May 11, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Hi JK, I've tried to find it on the net but no luck so will have
to send of for it unless you know a link where I can see it?
Many thanks
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT:
HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by JK User
posted on May 09, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Hi, You should contact SAFF for mor info
at http://http://saff.nfshost.com/
Best regards, JK
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT:
HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Anonymous
User
posted on May 08, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Hi again. I did say I had heard about the cook encounter but I
could only find a short piece on it and the rest had been
removed. Have you got a link to the whole piece please? I would
be interested to read the whole article. Thanks
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT:
HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Anonymous
User
posted on May 07, 2008 at 03:31 PM
Hi, yes I have been reading that too. I am a newcomer and maybe
oblivious to some rather obvious things? After reading some
'debates' on here I was a little reluctant to ask what some more
experienced members may scoff at but to me it would have seemed
quite simple for M to stop these people?
Topic RE: THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT:
HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by JK User
posted on May 07, 2008 at 03:17 PM
Well, Did you hear about how Chris Bray had a one in a million
chance encounter
with Roger Cook many years after the infamous Cook Report
?....JK
Topic THE DICKENS/CHILD SEX WITCH-HUNT: HOW
AND WHY IT HAPPENED. posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 07, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Hi all, this may be a silly question to some of you but excuse
my asking. After reading all about these incidents and the
persecution of the S.A and M himself, why didn't M take some
form of magical action against these people to either bind them
to stop them causing trouble or even to obtain revenge against
these idiots?
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posted by Douglas User
posted on February 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Thanks Denise that was just the kinda information i was looking
for.
give me plenty to work with for the rite, cheers.
Douglas
Topic The Horned God
posted by Douglas User
posted on February 04, 2009 at 09:49 PM
edited on February 05, 2009 at 08:28 AM
I've been reading Marabas's candlemagick spellbook and I'd like
to perform the rite involving the Horned God, to develop
feyness. I'm having trouble getting a sense of what the Horned
God is about as my dictionary (of Gods) doesn't say much about
him.
I've looked on the net but there's not much other than brief
paragraphs on him being the Lady's consort and the male aspect
of nature.
I'm trying to get a better sense of him to help me in the
invocation. What is his power like?
[Infoburst: Hi Douglas, Sounds like you need to look at our
Guide To The Gods offer. Anyone seriously considering the
invocation of god forms must have a trusty reference work to
guide them with the correspondences, powers, intelligences and
images of the gods.
The Guide To The Gods offer, see here, is the best ever. When
you have had some practical experience of invocation you should
also look at
Angelic
Images which shows how you can define a god's character,
image, powers etc, by analysing it's name using a little known
qabbalistic formula. EVERY ancient civilisation had a horned god
in its pantheon to represent the ultimate, personified masculine
force of nature which flows through all male animals, including
humans. The symbols and images used to represent the Horned God
are modified by the cultural perspectives and period of the
civilisation itself but the fundamentals are the same. Horns,
Hair, Courage, Strength, Muscle, Growl, Priapic, Duty, Stud,
Hero, Directness, Resolver, etc., Marabas says that Eliphas
Levi's Image of Baphomet was perhaps the most sophisticated and
complete montage of the Horned God - you can see it and read
about it in his
OEXP046
on Baphomet (go here for instant download and read up on it
right now)
BB
Denise W.]
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Topic RE: Thelemic Magick/Sex Magick
posted by PD User
posted on August 26, 2008 at 02:19 PM
Dear Nome/Caleb/Denise,
Thank you so much for your replies to my question.
So much disinfo out there, I am glad I posted my
question here and to have had such a helpful
response. Hopefully othere who are perhaps feeling
the effect of some kind of bigotry will take heart
also.
Yours, PD.
Topic RE: Thelemic Magick/Sex Magick
posted by nome. User
posted on August 25, 2008 at 09:14 PM
Further to Caleb's comments: I've found the ideal sex magick
operation to conclude with a trance like state, many colours
flowing by; then, ascent to the Etheric, and Ritual, ascent to
Astral, an, experience, rising to planes of pure force,
then.......
After action, pause, reaction:
Time up. I return to my retreat; 'holiday', I'll probably 'pop
in' in a while. Yet after that, I'm not sure I'll make another
forum entry. I don't know. Perhaps Silence now.
Well, PD, you have no interest in communication, good luck on
your
path. Caleb speaks as an O.T.O. initiate, between us you've
probably realised the main agenda, re: sex Magick.
May All Attain. AUM HA!
Topic RE: Thelemic Magick/Sex Magick
posted by nome. User
posted on August 25, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Thankyou Caleb, a different angle, same conclusion. I wonder
what these forums are? They seem to have locked onto the
apparent, the obvious, which is simply a reflection of inner
working, of which,
they are apparently unaware.
I'd like to do The Gnostic Mass with you, PD, I've opened my
Etheric Temple, meant for a very few, solo Thelemites.
Meditation within The Temple can be achieved by use of the 22
Thoth Tarot cards, with book of Thoth, and, ultimately, The Holy
Books of Thelema. One has been given a certain symbol, which is
The main key.
There is no conflict with S.A. as I don't sell anything,
referring all to S.A. for all equipment.
I simply propose an Etheric meeting place, for solo Thelemites.
I shall return to my workings, finished by Yule. PD! You're
invited! Please contact me if interested.
Topic Thelemic Magick/Sex Magick
posted by Caleb User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM
edited on August 26, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
If anyone tells you that you cannot perform "sex magick" because
you are physically sterile they prove only that they are
completely ignorant of magick and manifestation. The energy
generated during an act of magick is not physical and to draw it
down into a physical vehicle, action, whatever, it is not
absolutely necessary to produce one specific fluid. The energy
first infuses an image and the image has a shadow on the
physical plane. This is what ceremonial magic is all about. The
difference being that ceremonial symbolizes the sexual and
so-called "sex magick" is more direct.
Now, if you cannot be sexually aroused...there's a problem.
Love is the law, love under will.
Fraternally,Caleb
[Infoburst: Well said Caleb. I wondered when someone was going
to put 'PD' right on this one. Amazing how the bigotry creeps
into supposedly enlightened forums elsewhere on the net
disguised as dogma. Sure sign of a lack of initiatehood. This
vasectomy slur is very similar to the old lie (still seen
elsewhere on the net even today ) about homosexuals not being
able to work within a Witchcraft Circle due to an imbalance of
their sexual energies! M says that Crowley's consumption of the
Cakes is a method of promoting community both physically and
astrally. This, rather too closely in M's opinion, shadows the
Catholic High Mass. A few drops of blood is more than adequate
by itself because semen is a product of the blood stream and
excesses of it are absorbed back into the bloodstream anyway. BB
Denise W]
Topic Sex Magick. posted
by nome. User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 06:30 PM
Such matters must be explained openly, no room for error. To
communicate publicly could cause confusion.
By the By, As Pagan Times asked loudly:-"Will the Real O.T.O
please stand up?"
Did you follow this silliness?(See : Albion O.T.O. page)
Fact: Albion O.T.O were taken to court, by the original O.T.O.
The three Albion top dogs resigned, claiming that as they had no
line of succession, they couldn't be an official O.T.O
organisation.
A public press conference:0- "(By The O.T.O.) "Rest assured,
there is but one O.T.O., with full lineage"
Now, Albion O.T.O. are carrying on; 'business as usual'. They
declare that lineage is of no importance, so they're O.T.O.
Isn't it this perhaps an echoe of-"Can I be the leader? Can I- I
can? I'm the leader! O.K., what shall we do?
Whatever the psychology of it, their minds simply weren't on the
ball. I make it clear, that I am simply the observer, matters
came to my attention.
The O.T.O. pledge service to the Higher Orders, yet were so
engrossed in 'I'm the Leader!' they failed to monitor and apply
group prudence, as required, in a public matter, of no small
import. (This resulted in the Higher order rectifying the
matter.) Surely, the o.t.o. will be in good order, again soon.
One is a devoted Thelemite, I long ago removed myself from this
silliness, quietly doing the best I can, with no interest in
'power struggles' etc.
Perhaps a browsing O.T.O. member would like to state their
opinion on current affairs?
May Unity prevail, Serenity.
Topic Thelemism. posted by
nome User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 02:27 PM
P.S. PD, Contact me, if you will.
Topic RE: Sex Magick.
posted by nome. User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 02:13 PM
Hi PD, I relied as a nonny mouse.
The main Art, inversion, stimulation of the centres; orgasm
without ejaculate must be mastered, 'til one is a complete
dick-head!
If you feel that the fluids are of such importance, reverse the
operation!!!
Nagging thoughts like this, will only distort the end result of
this magick.
Fluids, a nice bonus, in later life.
Absolute control of your sex Magick manipulations: Essential.
Serenity.
Topic RE: Sex Magick.
posted by PD User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 03:14 AM
Hi Anonymous, Thank you.
My anxiety is about matters which I understand as yet like
through a glass
darkly, namely the elixirs, and perhaps ingredient X in cakes of
light.
As I said at present I practice solo. The opinion of some is
that the Master
Therion believed that the actual sperm cells were the active
magickal force
so possibly curtailing my future abilities/evolution on this
path ?
- PD
Topic Sex Magick. posted
by Anonymous User
posted on August 24, 2008 at 02:05 AM
The essential method requires non-ejaculation.
The white Eagle is useful, rich in D.N.A/life force, but this is
an extension of the prime method.
To perform, achieving orgasms, yet not releasing a drop of
ejaculate, is a perfect operation.
If you feel the need to use The White Eagle in later years, I
believe vasectomies are reversible.
Good Luck, Enjoy!
Topic Thelemic Magick, Vasectomy ?
posted by PD User
posted on August 23, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I have been practicing solitary Thelemic Magick and Yoga and as
one does,
I sometimes long to join with others to experience the Gnostic
Mass,
etc. I realise this question may be misunderstood by some and I
will not
go into MY understanding of Thelemic sex Magick, but here is my
question:
I have had a vasectomy and I have been reading on several
Thelemic forums
that this means I am incapable of Thelemic sex magick.
Can anyone tell me if this is true, am I 'unfit/incapable' for
this path ?
PD
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Topic Repression. posted
by Draconuit User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 03:13 AM
Yeh, it's petty annoying. I out rank oto, and was taught the
techniques verbally. This site isn't the right place to disclose
the info. However, if Denise would kindly leave an email
address, you might get your chicken after all. There are those
who do not want knowledge made freely available, I don't mean
oto. I offered
to answer any questions put, however, having looked through the
entire site, I find that the Sayings of Frater Marabus, and
Denises insight, answer most questions, except this matter,and
with
good reason.
The orders of Thelema are based on rank, I've worked hard, and
now have authority to make changes to the original laws, as
'unforeseen matters' dictate. A lot of people want specifics on
sex magick.
Perhaps, in collaboration with Denise, things could radically
change.Things are changing. When I started practising Sex
Magick,
it was called black magick. Of course we didn't write it down.
We'll see.
Topic I AM THE MAGICKIAN WHO MAKES THE GRASS
GREENER posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM
A Novice point of view
So the O.T.O. has copyrighted techniques for unlocking MY SELF.
All sounds a bit odd for the 21st century. Should i study golf
as well. How many people would shop at the S.A. if M. wrote
"don't tell anyone" at the end of his lectures. we live in a
dangerous world and little bit of knowledge is better than none
at all. information flow and if you try and block it your haed
ends up your ass.
Big Belly Laugh
Ricenpeas
Topic Thelemic sex magick
posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 11:34 PM
5 mins later.......That was a crap answer I gave, partial
explanation, a little knowledge a dangerous thing? Do S.A. stock
Kenneth Grant: The Magical Revival? That could be of use.
Joshua, what country, city or town do you live in?
My base is in London, though I live elsewhere at times.
Just a thought.
Topic Thelemic sex magic
posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 11:15 PM
O.K, Denise, Hi, hope you're well. That's a very well reasoned
reply; I'll try to give a sensible reply. The O.T.O. have
copyright on these matters, and ,particularly in U.S.A. throw
lawsuits at anyone who dares to publish their secrets. So,
Joshua, you mention external facts without explanation, I can't
directly explain,however, you do not have to partake of these
fluids, O.T.O. might insist? Dunno, I'm of the Higher order,the
oto do mass rituals, and are very much like a sexual freemason
organisation.
We (My Order) are born to cross the Abyss,(Or aspire to do so)
our work is entirely spiritual. OTO aid us, though we prefer to
stay secret; in the few rituals we publicly perform,e.g,
initiating a new member, we wear full face masks, only knowing
our immediate Superior and inferior,
Our Human Guru's were pupils of Crowley. Many Thelemites choose
to
work solo, building self confidence. I say this, as you may find
this more suitable than oto.(A lot of Thelemites don't like that
path, prefering individuality.)The fates direct the aspirant to
a Master, if it is destined. Maybe sounding like an advert for
S.A,
they do provide a wide range of books: O.k, I was in a foul mood
before, with some thoughts from Denise, I'll carefully word
this:
The phallus is traditionally Astral. So, oral sex conjoins the
astral to the throat chakra, Daath, knowledge, an interplay of
forces occurs. A 'tit-wank', dosn't sound so daft, if you
consider The Magician's phallus, energised, stimulating the
heart chakra; a sensitive woman is very aware of this, as the
male is of her chakra, bathing his rod in light. The anus is an
incredibly powerful chakra; it's like constantly generating
electromagnet, the bio-electric carrier wave. I'm heterosexual,
and have never been buggered, the act is usually performed on
women, some enjoy this.
Morality: Some women choose to sell their bodies for sexual use.
Some are heroin addicts, who do not menstruate, a side effect of
the drug. So, for the Tantric, who worships the many female
secretions,(worship is wrong word; desire?) heroin
addicts;undesirable. Further, the magically unaware heroin
addict is unaware that the the drug unleashes the cthonic lower
realms; the hells/demons. The result is that, the junkie becomes
entirely
qlippothic.(Bear with me, tie it together when finished, if you
will.) A while back, a man spoke on this site of'cunning country
magic, having sex with spirits.' He was describing succubi, as
in the result of a wet dream,e.g. All sex without,(As male) the
female life potential organ, the vagina, is spiritually sterile
(qlippothic)---Bugger a junkie whore =.......
I have just erased a large piece of writing, this is not the
right place/time.
Per vas neferendum,(By the unmentionable vessel) anal sex, is
called 'fixing the spirit' as in varnishing a painting, 'fixing'
the paint. It's not a form of sex magic I find useful; not my
path.
Incidentally, I think I'll shut up now. You should have been
able
to work out the purpose of Magickal buggery. Why did you assume
it was a homosexual act? (I prefer pussy, but one of my scarlet
women
enjoyed anal sex to the point of endless multiple orgasms, which
blew back pleasantly on me,great fun!)
Well, I'm above the abyss, taught by a Thelemite Master, who was
given the word by A. Crowley, now it's time to find my pupil.
How?
I have stuff to do, will look in this site later in year.So,
into the ether; master seeks pupil.
Well Denise, you talk good sense at times, at others, you have a
wicked streak, winding people up. Fair enough, probably see you
later. Sorry for berating you, Joshua, patience, friend, do as
your true self dictates, accept only what truly appeals, and
don't believe me, though you might like to consider my
viewpoint.
For now, Goodbye. IAF SABAF.
Topic RE: Sex Magick.
posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 04:05 PM
Oh I don't know Draconuit - I can't see the OTO complaining
about intelligent critique or comment providing that proprietary
reserved teachings and inner-order mysteries are not revealed.
You are right that this forum is not really the place for such
an advanced discussion but if a neophyte asks an intelligent
question then she/he is entitled to an intellligent answer and
it may be more useful to direct the original questioner away
from the seemingly obvious sexual connotations to the technical
understanding of the Muladhara chakra rather than browbeat him
about his lack of subtlety. BB Denise W.
Topic Sex Magick. posted
by Draconuit User
posted on May 06, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Of course, Joshua, plain terms, after all, who wants to do all
that boring 'Study' stuff, when the mysteries are simply handed
to you on a plate, with a lovely biccy, in your armchair.
The O.T.O are the outer: external order of Thelema. Our
representatives, you are referring to things you know nothing
about. Study Tantra, etc. etc. etc. The oto will not appreciate
your. post, Seriously, study solo, seek The Higher orders if you
will, but don't tread on oto's toes. With respect
Topic RE: Sex Magic posted
by Anonymous User
posted on May 06, 2008 at 09:26 PM
Well I can't say I'm disinterested in ever joining OTO but
I'd like to know it's not something where people get roped
into weird sexual practices as an end in themselves first.
I'm not homophobic BTW in case anyone thinks that's my angle.
- Joshua
posted on May 06, 2008 at 05:09 PM Reply to this Message
You've got this far, work it out for yourself, or join the
O.T.O.
Topic Sex Magic posted by
Draconuit User
posted on May 06, 2008 at 05:09 PM
You've got this far, work it out for yourself, or join the
O.T.O.
Topic Thelemic/OTO sex magick
posted by Joshua User
posted on May 05, 2008 at 07:35 PM
From what I've read, Crowley's system of Magick is ultimately
based on Sex-Magick, and the official rites of this are those
of the OTO, and when one reads about these rites they include
a lot of stuff about mixing and eating of semen/menstrual blood,
baking semen cakes and the like, and the OTO 11th degree from
what
I can make out is receiving anal sex (from whom ?) What has all
this to do with magic(k)? and isn't it dodgy to have to eat or
receive another's body fluids or from someone outwith one's
normal relationship ? Do Thelemic groups make it plain to
candidates that somewhere down the line they'll either have to
do this stuff or end advancement ? as it certainly doesn't seem
to be plainly stated on their websites.
Any straight talking answers appreciated,rather than symbolic
ones
please.
Thanks,
Joshua
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Topic RE: Thelema or K.Grant?
posted by Thelemite 8. User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 07:01 PM
Greetings fellow seeker. Ones personal viewpoint, concerning
K.Grant, may be of interest. One must first state that there are
a lot of Thelemites out there with no connection with o.t.o,
solo
thelemites learning self reliant hands on Magick. They are the
lonely, leaping mountain goats, who have no desire to perform
mass rituals.A different way of Thelema.He needs a good supply
of books, incense, and Thelema.
Which brings us to K. Grant. He was not of lvx, as primary
motivation, rather, He was very N.O.X. indeed, as His work 'The
night side of Eden' so amply demonstrates. He worked with his
wife, Steffi,within the cthonic realms, as many do. I found
great value, in that the man could translate some of Crowley's
abstruse formulae into terms that the Magician could readily
understand. The Draco-Typhonian cults were around at the
Egyptian beginnings, and won't go away.In U.S.A, there exist a
large Thelemite contingency who equate Hadit with set, and
satan.It is a viewpoint. Your viewpoint appears to be that K.
Grant will inevitably disappear into his own N.O.X tunnel. His
magick will lead there, yet the universe cannot accept this as a
status quo, emergence will occur, unto the universe, vivified,
one assumes.K. Grant, and wife seem, to my mind,to have worked
within fascinating,dark, aspects, and been able to transmit that
work to the student. Surely, a thorough study of N.O.X would
provde a greater illumination of L.V.X? Light & Life!
Topic RE: Thelema or K.Grant?
posted by Thelemite888 User
posted on January 04, 2008 at 05:19 AM
Very interesting.when I did read Grant, long ago, I did grasp
the point, i thought.Now knowing set is a half of the whole, one
does consider; n.o.x is a part, a process, as is l.v.x. Grants
theories have not been echoed, except as a partiality; not the
totality grant states, there is a specific work i must
locate,more later.
Topic RE: Thelema or K.Grant?
posted by lvxmagician User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 04:28 PM
We have much in agreement but I feel that Grant is schismatic
and that he see's what he believes to be truth in his own way -
that is not my way and not my Thelema! Grant was, and still is,
expelled from true OTO and from that I must assume from the LVX
as well. Set is not the god of Thelema! Tunnels of Set and dodgy
Gematria seem to create only a fancy of Grant's own creation. In
fact, friends of mine actually wonder what he will invent next!
Happy era vulgaris in the light 93 93/93
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution. K.Grant.
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 07:55 PM
Greetngs LVX. (Blue is my friend and pupil, he writes on my
behalf on occasion, though I'll answer this one;)
I/we totally agree, LVX, to my mind, Thelema is the most
supremely HOLY, deeply esoteric Religion on the Planet!
It has as though the fates dictated that my early, then later
experiences, would mould me into the ideal Thelemite. I studied
Bhuddism, Egyptian Gods, and Qabalistic magic, yet still
hungered, for me it was as if:-Say, for e.g, I was a physics
student; intensely interested, yet I'd learnt all I could find,
and then, i found a biography, of a man who apparently taught
'Quantum physics,' he also had great knowledge of my previous
studies, providing deep insight indeed. The first time i read
Liber Al, The Holy Revelation was like a diamond bullet, right
between the eyes! so, thats my basic stance on Thelema.
Kenneth Grant was, to my mind, an excellent interperator of The
Master Therion's abstruse way of writing; (just chatting,) when
it was time, I left the city to live in Wales, 200 quid in my
pocket, My Guru (for 5-6 yrs,) had decided independantly to move
to Wales, I kipped on his couch a couple of weeks, read Grants 3
part interperatation of 'The Formula of the Rosy Cross.' Then,
it was easy to obtain; a Scarlet Woman; a property with land to
grow food, a young goat, a black kitten, (Grant had reccomended
doing this as full manifestation of Astroglyphs: Baphomet and
Sekhmet.) This operation, 1982, was wonderful, thanks to Grant.
I'm currently reading Grant: The Magical revival, you say He's
given Thelema a bad tag, I'm not so sure, maybe He just
interprets 'truth.' Well, here's wishing one and all a wonderful
08! Red.
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution.
posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 03:56 PM
Hi Blue,
I see your point but Thelema is not dark,disturbing or evil.
People wrongly confuse the later years of Aleister Crowley's
life -with it's drugs,sex and depravity - with the ideals of OTO
and A.'.A.'.
Perhaps Typhonians add to the confusion, and kenneth Grant's
books perpetuate myths of his own making, to include the Setian
centred cult which is the product only of his own preferences.
True Thelema is Solar and quasi-masonic. It is definately not
Satanic or dark. 93 93/93
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution.
posted by Blue User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 03:01 PM
Here, Red Dragon declares that by Crowleys work,by Marabus's
work, and those who have to remain secret, the 'job' is done,
ahead of schedule! We cannot be stopped now, soon we will
achieve 'critical mass.'
Thelema may seem dark, disturbing,'evil' even, yet the point of
the religion is to give all mankind the magickal blessings
intended, currently under restriction.
Bless.
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution.
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 06:43 AM
For two things are done, and a third begun.
Let the magus sit and conjure: I am Baphomet, that is the
eightfold word that shall be equilibriated with the three.
Thou shalt scream with the joy and the pain and the fear and the
love-yea, this is the lion roar of my rapture.
This is our law, the law of the Strong.
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution.
posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 04:30 AM
O.K.
Therefore strike hard and low, and to Hell with them, Master!
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution.
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 31, 2007 at 02:51 AM
From the Thelemic point of view Red Dragon.From the Thelemic
point of view!!NOT from the GD revivalist point of
view!!!!!!!!!!!!!
93 Fraternally
Topic RE: Thelemite persecution.
posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 30, 2007 at 02:01 PM
Just for the sake of clarity I add the following dictionary
definition of persecution:
a program or campaign to exterminate, drive away, or subjugate a
people because of their religion, race, or beliefs.
As an after thought, I wonder what other prejudices these groups
and individuals may have - perhaps you only ever find out when,
or if they let you join?
We can only imagine!
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Topic RE: Thelemite persecution.
posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 29, 2007 at 08:54 PM
Thanks for your comments.My primary stance on these matters is
that we are dealing with ignorant people. There seems to be a
trend emanating, primarilly from the USA, that seeks to totally
disassociate Golden Dawn magic from anything smacking of
Aleister Crowley.I DO NOT NAME ANY SINGLE ORGANISATION OR
INDIVIDUAL. If it were just an academic exercise of putting all
Thelemic texts to one side, then that would be understandable,
but to deny association and membership to people just because
they are wholly or just partly Thelemic is nothing short of
religious persicution. Full membership is open to every other
religion and creed.It is openly stated that Thelemites are not
welcome and if they are accepted it is on the understanding that
they accept no further advancement than the Portal Grade.This is
ignorant,narrow minded and bigotted persicution unprecedented on
any scale since the twentieth century with its apartide and
racism.
It is totally unfair to label all Thelemites as unwelcome, as if
they were all identical in some undesirable way.I know dozens of
Thelemites and we are all very different people.One of our
common threads is an interest in, and an involvement with,
Thelema but most of us have 'other' diverse spiritual and
magickal interests and commitments.
Again, I have to point out how sad all of this has made me feel.
I would love SAFF to identify the culprits with a challenge for
them to change their ways. It would be good if SAFF could warn
its members and S.A clients about attempting to join these
'orders' by compiling a list of the worst offenders - because I
am not just speaking about one Golden Dawn style order here but
several - all of whom can be easily located on the internet with
their prejudices shamelessly advertised for all to see. AWFUL.
Topic RE: THELEMITES PERSICUTED/THE NEW JEWS
posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 11:04 AM
"I was a member of SAFF years ago.I think that it might be
needed again in the future!"
The need for this organisation hs never gone away. I urge anyone
reading this to join.
Topic RE: no need to feel powerless
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 08:00 AM
Whoa! Totally agree Matt as far as 'go to your Temple.'
Thereafter do as your True will dictates. Good luck
Topic RE: no need to feel powerless
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 07:55 AM
Totally agree Matt!
For accuracy; The Hermetic order of The Golden Dawn was
apparently Re-initiated in 1977 by an anonymous figure who does
not claim 'institutional' lineage, rather, He/She was taught by
the late Israel Regadie, and claims 'initiatory' lineage. This
order has flourished throughout U.S.A under numerous names of
G.D. Temples. Apparently now in U.K. they are not Thelemite. As
Matt advises, you know the ritual, why not work solo, if it be
your true will to do so? Best wishes, LVX.Magician, hope that
helps clarify the situation. Best wishes.
Topic no need to feel powerless
posted by matt User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 07:17 AM
You know ritual you know magic .you dont have to put up with
they's mortal's making thing's hell.Get to your temple and make
them wish they had never uncoverd that side of your life.
Topic Thelemite persecution.
posted by Red Dragon. User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 07:16 AM
Something isn't right.
The Golden Dawn is The Third ,outer order of Thelema.
Topic THELEMITES PERSICUTED/THE NEW JEWS
posted by lvxmagician User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 05:36 AM
I am furious and outraged!!!I have been a member of a Thelemic
Order (!) for several years, with many more years besides, NOT
being a member, to find that I am persicuted by other
occultist's and so called orders. Please UNDERSTAND that the
title of this this email is serious and in no way diminishes the
horror of something like the holocaust!
Quite simply, my being a Thelemite ( So what! ) actually
excludes me from either partial or full membership of several
Golden Dawn ( type ) magickal orders - one or two of which are
led by the new leading authors and doyens of this subject
area.One such leader is even an EX 5th degree of OTO who has the
intolerant obnoxiousness to limit progress to Portal, but
usually forbades membership (full stop.) to any Thelemite! What
the blazers is going on??? I maybe a Thelemite, but I am also
pagan,a mystic,in many ways a Christian,and the list goes on:
because the magickal and mystical journey takes on may
conflicting views,ideas and opinions. I think that it is so sad
that these narrow minded bigots are running Orders -so called!
In my 20 plus years of the occult, I feel so disgusted with this
sort of ignorance and intolerance.This is the sort of nightmare
that I had hoped to escape from, by meeting broad ( not
narrow!!) minded people!
Sadly, even though very secretive, I have to say that over the
years people have discovered some of my beliefs, from time to
time, and I have lost employment because of it.I have been
persicuted at university for it etc etc ( and that was a time of
intense secrecy!). I guess that there are quite a few of us that
have come in for our unfair share of injustice, whether
innocently,as in my own case - or perhaps niavely in the case of
others? My major shock is the Thelema thing! I really feel as
though I am blacklisted and the whole dreadfully twisted
situation is beginning to make me paranoid and a little upset!
Are there others out there who are experiencing the same thing?
If so, what measures can we take to both protect and promote
spiritual tolerance and understanding? Can small minded people
meet us half wayI wonder?If so then how?
I was a member of SAFF years ago.I think that it might be needed
again in the future!
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Topic RE: can magick have a cure for
depression?? posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 07:47 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Hi sara maybe you should look into a herb called vervain,as
inderpendent reserch sugests it could help in depression, im not
sure if the SA has it.But you should find information on this
great herb and decide for you self.But you should see a doctor
first,there are many ways to help with depression nowdays.Take
care
Blessings Chris.
BI>[INFOBURST: Chris is correct The S.A. do stock and sell
Vervain for use in incenses etc for more information and prices
go:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/herboils.htm
and scroll down the A-Z list to Vervain ]
Topic RE: can magick have a cure for
depression?? posted by Denise W User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 01:13 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Greetings Sara, It depends very much on the type of depression
you suffer from and the state of your Nature. The medical
profession has not fully understood nor tested occult methods of
controlling the introspective mind. Marabas has outlined one of
the most effective genuine methods in his OEXP073 SECRETS OF
COPING WITH LIFE, DEPRESSION AND MENTAL ANGUISH: which explains
how to use a simple meditation technique to take control of it
and keep that state permanently rather than allowing the mind to
settle into a trough of despondancy and then trying the
'impossible' task of climbing out. Marabas also recommends the
adoption of a Taoist Diet (see his OEXP072) which rebalances the
body and mind and often removes one of the precursors for
depression (allergy foods). You can download OEXP072 and OEXP073
instantly and read them right now benefitting immediately by
going to
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm and scrolling
down to OEXP072 and OEXP073 for more info.
There are many natural herbs and plants which can have an effect
on mental states but you should clear any and all of these with
your doctor because some of them could interfere with the blood
balance of the brain if you are already taking certain
prescription drugs. St John's wort does work if you take it over
a long period of time (builds up). You should also consider the
use of Ginkgo Biloba which increases the permeability of the
blood-brain barrier and allows an enriched blood supply to flow
into the brain often raising the mood and thinking ability.
Marabas has written an OEXP on Ginkgo Biloba which covers this
and other advantages of its use.
See http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls htm and
scroll down to GINKGO BILOBA; THE SACRED TREE OF THE TAOISTS:
(OEXP068) for more information and to download it instantly. BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: can magick have a cure for
depression?? posted by Denise W User
posted on December 27, 2007 at 01:12 PM
Respondent's should beware giving what might be
construed by Xists as medical advice. Forum users
should make clear in their replies that any ideas or
methods for cures are unproven and included only for
curiosities sake.
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic
posted by Stargirl User
posted on December 21, 2007 at 01:33 PM
Thank you for your posts which I find really interesting &
enlightening. I was wondering do you have any experience with
Sigil magic? because there is a certain man friend who I wish to
be deeply in love with me & thus far, my candlemagic etc has
completely failed. I am a new seeker. Please help!
Topic can magick have a cure for depression??
posted by sara User
posted on December 20, 2007 at 02:57 PM
Hi everyone, I have been suffering with depression for 5 years
due to traumatic events in childhood etc & I want to know
has anyone here tried anything which alleviated the sadness and
low feelings??
I am taking St John's Wort but it doesn't seem to be working.
Please help if you can!
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic
posted by John D User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:23 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Electronic Magician.... Glad you are finding the forum useful -
it certainly seems to have taken off with a high-level of debate
so far. Where to start atoning with Gaia? Simplest way is to
choose a tree and meld with it using the psychic exercise
outlined in Marabas's OEXP011 on COMMUNING WITH NATURE SPIRITS -
wonderful! It will surely link you with gaia in a manner beyond
words particularly if you DO love trees (intuitive preference is
always the way to go)
see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm and
scroll down to OEXP011.
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic
posted by John D User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:12 PM
Puretongue... Ah, the paranoia of the Scientific method! :-) I
agree that there is no such thing as absolute proof, just as
there's no such thing as absolute truth - I am not a believer in
the scientific method which, let's face it, has become something
akin to a Sacred religion in the minds of some intellectuals -
witness all that scaremongering about Global Warming driven by
self-righteous moralisers which is lining the pockets of academe
at present. The QBL is a far more powerful and flexible logic
aid to understanding the way humans interface with the universe
anyway. However, if anyone asks for 'scientific proof' then it
is there according to the scientists' own system. Like you I can
see many flaws in any experiment designed to analyse lucky
charms but they pubished the results and it was accepted as such
so goes into the record books and is worth a quote, if only to
be trotted out whenever your local JW knocks on the door for the
next round of debate. ;-) John D
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posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 09:20 PM
Oh boy!!!!!!!!!!!
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic
posted by UVRAY User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 08:09 AM
I am somewhat epicurean in my approach to life as a whole. So I
am the same with magic. I'm only really interested in whether I
see the fruition of my desires in my own life and those people I
care about.
I'm definitely interested in looking at and studying the
possible machinations and the dynamics of what might be at work.
But it is not with the express desire to convince myself it's
real or effective. The results themselves do that.
Certainly though, it is fascinating.
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic
posted by electronicmagician User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:16 PM
It's fantastic to get so many replies. As far as Magic goes I
don't need to convince anybody but myself. The remote viewing
that I did for a week in Wales was with David Morehouse of the
American Stargate programme and some of the results were
fantastic. (And a lot of the University results seemed just as
convincing.)
I logic behind the remote viewing seemed flawed - Using
somebody's random number to access directly, details of a target
in a sealed envelope! - But one set of results in particular
were amazing and are available if anybody wants to see them.
I felt at the end of the training that everything and everybody
is directly connected. - It felt like The Matrix revisited but
it was true that the main problem with reching a "connective"
state seemed hindered most by my own brain analysing the images.
I truly believe that you get everything that you truly
want/need.
None of the modern conventional religions seem to offer much,
other than restrictions, - being brought up a catholic seems a
mistake and my 3 children haven't picked their religion yet.
I tend to like the idea of the natural Earth ideas -
Romanticised in the books of Charles de Lindt.
Any comments on where to start to get closer to the natural
religions. (I do love trees!)
Sorry about the rambling posting. - Not sure really what I'm
trying to say - Hopefully somebody else will.
Thanks,
Brian
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posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 03:27 PM
Hi John.
I'm not aware of the lucky charm study but reading your account
of it I can just hear scientism's cry. Was the benefit because
people knew they had a charm? Did the others have a placebo
charm? Was the study double blind? Was the effect "merely"
subjective? And so on. Even if all these conditions were met,
they would launch into the statistical method used, or object to
public funds being spent in this wasteful way etc. Anything
rather than face up to the truth.
Hence the waste of energy that convincing them represents. I'd
stick with convincing myself any day. Far more productive use of
my time.
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic
posted by John D User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 01:10 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Hi Brian, Puretongue's idea that the brain incarcerates us is
very interesting. It reflects some of M's teachings with regard
to the way the three parts of the brain function ( see his
OEXP072 and OEXP73 on Coping with Life, Depression and Mental
Anguish through Taoist Meditation -
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm) where he
lays down the constant conflict between the minds and how these
create 'reality'. Of course you only have to look at what
happens here at the S.A. almost every day to find examples of
magic working in inexplicable ways and after 35 years of it
there can be no better proof that magic DOES exist
(see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm for
examples ). However M says that proof will hardly ever occur to
cynics because the catalyst to producing magical effects is the
subjective mind-states of the magician. The correct balance of
mind cannot be created if cynical or skeptical mind states are
present which amplifies what Puretongue was saying about the
impossibility of pandering to the requirements of the scientific
method.
That said, there have been 'scientific' attempts to quantify
magic. In one instance a couple of years ago a British
University professor undertook an extensive study. He issued his
testers with special lucky charms and then quantified the
results from his sample group. The experiment actually proved
that statistically people with the lucky charm enjoyed more
success and fulfillment in their lives than the ones without.
The Occult Census (see
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/census.htm ) produced in
depth research findings from nearly 2,000 working occultists
which proved that magick DOES work for them. Regards John D
Topic RE: The Occult - Magic
posted by Puretongue User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 11:25 AM
Hi - we are the same age with roughly the same amount number of
years involvement under our belts.
If you're looking to prove things to others, rather than
yourself, you are on a hiding to nothing. They will either
accept the flimsiest of pretexts for success, or demand
standards of proof that would make even the hardest of physical
science impossible to demonstrate. Rarely do you find a common
sense reaction to anything you offer.
As society's beliefs are deeply rooted within each of us, the
above mechanism is quite likely still at work in you (as it is
in me) - it takes quite some work to remove. I would suggest
that you will never satisfy the left brain standard of proof
which has grown out of the sciences. If that is your quest I
would give up now. The main thing to do is to use a magical
method - and in my experience which method is irrelevant at
first - until you start to realise that the results you are
getting are higher than chance level would account for.
Then start looking at what elements worked for you, and build
from there.
Topic The Occult - Magic
posted by electronicmagician User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 12:04 AM
At 48 years old and having looked at the occult for around 30
years I still am not sure what is real.
Two years ago I went on a residential remote viewing course (I
am the technical director of a UK PLC) and I wanted "proof". I
have designed new brain-wave analysers and such but I also
design "magic" for the likes of Derren Brown or Yuri Geller. -
This isn't real (I design it!) but something, I hope, must be.
What is the quickest path to proof?
I really want to be convinced.
Funnily enough though - I always get EVERYTHING that I want
materially. - Unfortunately not in all other forms of life.
Kind regards,
Brian
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Topic Home page posted by
Marty User
posted on April 07, 2009 at 10:29 AM
edited on April 08, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Just a suggestion, has the SA considered putting notice of
closing dates for holidays and stocktaking etc in advance like
the banner they use on the site at Christmas? I for one would
find it useful as I have been caught out when needing something
in a hurry.
Thanks
[Infoburst: Hi Marty, sorry to hear you were delayed. We banner
our site at Xmas because the post stops and many people need to
know when the last posting days are to make sure of getting
their order in beforehand. During the year there's usually
someone looking after the S.A. emails and enquiries even over
bank holidays so unless customer's leave it VERY late we can
usually hit their deadlines in one way or another. And as M
always says, an occultist in a hurry is one who hasn't planned
at length.;-) It can be counterproductive to banner at Bank
Holidays because we are usually so quick in despatch that the
difference is negligible. If there are going to be lengthy
stoppages we always banner so customers know what to expect but
the gods always have their fun and there's always someone who
places an order ten minutes after the banner has gone up! :-) BB
Denise W. ]
Topic SA Suggestions
posted by AnnB User
posted on February 10, 2009 at 10:54 AM
I was reading all the messages on this forum it is very wise of
Marabas to protect all who want to buy from the shop. A long
while ago I belonged to an Occult Church reaching the highest
grade, it was then informed on all records were taken away by
police and the Church closed down,so be grateful for this
procedure.
Many Blessings Just look on the website where many of closest
friends one especially dear to me has been pilloried
consistently I have had to give her much protection through this
pilloring and will continue to do if it be necessary.
Topic RE: magical knives
posted by kimball User
posted on February 07, 2009 at 04:17 PM
thanks infoburst
Topic RE: magical knives
posted by Satan User
posted on February 05, 2009 at 12:16 PM
edited on February 05, 2009 at 01:41 PM
Black traditionally indicates the force as originating in the
feminine; night, to work upon the forces of day-manifestation.
Apply the reverse concept to white-analyse.
[Infoburst: Now you've just gone and proven my point by spouting
rubbish. Magicians can have any coloured dagger handle they
like. Marabas teaches that the debate between black and white
handled is linked solely to the requirements of traditional
witchcraft which was established during days of persecution when
to be found with an athame meant death, hence witches would keep
one white and one black handled athame (both unmarked ordinary
knives) in their cutlery drawer which would not be suspicous to
an inquisitor. If all the rest of the knife handles in the
drawer were white, then the holy athame for witchcraft use would
be black handled and vice versa, leaving it to be easily
identified and kept unused but for sacred purposes. If only
people would check Marabas's OEXPS before they forced an
unchecked opinion on others it would save us and them a lot of
time and raise the standard of debate a little. See
Marabas's OEXP062 Constructing Athames/Magical Knives here
for full instructions on how to make yours BB Denise W.
Topic magical knives
posted by kimball1 User
posted on February 05, 2009 at 09:53 AM
Does a magician have to have a white handle knife or can it be
black handle.
Topic RE: Robes. posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 13, 2008 at 09:59 PM
Hi Denise,
Robes-Great news! I 'dissapeared' for 14 years, must have been
then you did robes.
I'd definately like a professional robe(s)! (email soon)
Many Thanks!
Topic RE: Robes. posted by
Ricenpeas User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Anon. You made a good point but now your invalidating it.
Dennise is away at the moment and obviously cant answer your
question and no-one with any experience is going to pander to
you. Most of us have had very pleasing service from the S.A. I
have NEVER had a complaint with there aftersales. Respect
yourself
Ricenpeas
Now Im really going offline.
Topic RE: Robes. posted by
Anonymous User
posted on September 08, 2008 at 11:27 AM
How about replying to emails???
Topic Robes. posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 05, 2008 at 01:32 PM
edited on September 11, 2008 at 06:37 PM
Greetings,
Have S.A. considered emplying a seamstress to make Robes?
I have basic patterns, but the're a sod to make.
To get a standard Thelemic-full face slight;y conical hood, with
six pointed star on it, for example, one must purchase from the
U.S.A., the shipping is unreliable, and the sizes limited.
A company did open briefly, with a stupid name begining
'Occult', yeh, I can see that going down well (Not) at my xstian
bank, and, by the way, the boss simply stole the money I sent
Him! S.A. DO NOT behave in such a foul/stupid manner. That
company is now closed, So, any chance of tailormade Robes,
People?
There is, I believe, a large, waiting, market!
Best Wishes.
[Infoburst: Yes Babalonuit888, for many years the SA
provided what was arguably the best (copyrighted) designed
tried-and-tested fully-functional magical and meditational robe
ever for all paths - but the sheer volume of orders over-ran the
capabilities of home seamstress production on many occasions
entailing disruption of supplies and staccatto-like service for
clients so that Marabas eventually withdrew them from our lists.
We do hope to be able to provide them again in the not too
distant future and if anyone is interested they can email me on
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk and I will put them
on a mailing list for news as and when. BB Denise W. P.S.
There is an old picture of Marabas wearing one of these robes
here.
Topic S.A staff posted by
T User
posted on July 11, 2008 at 11:10 AM
I don't know where this should go so I am going to put it here.
So often Marabas and Denise are praised (and rightly so) for
there fantastic help and knowledge but lets not forget the
others that make up the team. I don't know how many people work
at the SA but I would like to give Paula a pat on the back who
has on many occasions given me some great help and friendly
advice when I have phoned to order or enquire about things. And
how does she always know who she is speaking to and remember
everyones name with such a huge client list? I think it must be
something in the Leeds water! (wink)
Thankyou!
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Topic RE: temple kits different designs for
different books posted by kimball User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 01:25 PM
yes i know what you mean has m ever thort about drawing tho's
seal's up clearly and giving them along with any one who buys
the sixth and seventh books of moses in the future.
Topic RE: temple kits different designs for
different books posted by Jannes User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 03:45 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 02:19 PM
Kimball's posting here caught my eye. Wasn't there a posting
already on 6/7th books of Moses ? Very powerful book for Hoodoo
magic but the illustrations of the seals in Wippler Gonzalez's
translatiion are not clear enough to make out very well. Got it
from S.A. ages ago. Necronomicon is great even just for a read
in itself. Spellkits would be interesting.
[Infoburst: I agree Jannes, the seals are minute considering the
amount of sigilisation on them and this doesn't help with
clarity. Marabs says that readers have to keep in mind that
these seals have been copied and re-copied many times and in the
original sacred texts were themselves in poor definition being
woodcuts which do not lend themselves to fine details. Hence
some of sigils on the seals have been 'lost' in this copying
process and under such circumstances the best thing for
researchers to do is to simply reproduce what is there and leave
any corrections or amends to the user. Far better that way than
to modify the seals and perhaps introduce inadvertent errors
which will be carried forward permanently. BB Denise W.
If seekers want to put themselves on the list for news of the
reprint of the 6/7th
Book of Moses then go here. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Weed the Garden
posted by Michael. User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Greetings Denise, hope you are well.
Thank Heaven you have such insight.
My new Temple is, at last, prepared, perhaps I shall write in
6-8 months, carefully explaing my work. Having listened, I shall
rigourously apply the guidelines You have clearly explained.
I never meant meant any harm in your forum, you are
exceptionably reasonable, Denise.
Sincere best wishes to all, Michael.
Topic temple kits different designs for
different books posted by kimball User
posted on July 04, 2008 at 10:25 AM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 02:12 PM
The s.a all ready make's a temple kit. have they consider making
one that includes equipment design for the necronomicon or the
sixth and seventh books of moses.
[Infoburst: Though kits for all interests might seem a good idea
it isn't. Technically there are three main strains of
transmogrification
(see Marabas's Paths to Magic Tape for full breakdown and
analysis (http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/staroffr.htm
) and the two requiring paraphernalia are Paganism and Hermetic
Magic. Anyone versed in the basics of Hermetic Magic knows that
the type of magic contained in the 6/7th
Book of Moses is pure qabbalistic theurgy and is a fairly
straightforward modification of basic hermetic technique.
Similarly, though the names of the entities may differ and the
terminology may have a slightly different shade the magic of the
Necronomicon is again a modification of basic hermetic
technique. Thus it necessary for a beginner to master those
basic techniques FIRST and once familiar with them he/she will
see how to
advance to experiment with Cthulu or Hebraic talismans in the
6/7th Book of Moses. That's why we only offer the
Complete Magician's Temple Kit and/or the
Pagan Home Temple Kit BB Denise W. ]
Topic Books posted by
ricenpeas User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 07:08 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 01:57 PM
Hi Dennis. I cant get the book list up. is it down for long.
Looking for Crowleys 8 lectures in yoga(lol its great). Also are
there copies of Libre Null available published under the S.A.
[Infoburst: Sorry about that Ricenpeas, the booklist page on our
website was down for a while but you can reach it okay now on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/books1.htm
The Sorcerer's Apprentice press first edition Liber Null was a
collector's distribution small scale limited edition and sold
out many years ago but there is now a combined edition
containing Liber Null and Carroll's other work Psychonaut (two
for the price of one?)
which you can order direct from here for by-return despatch.
BB, Denise W. ]
Topic Weed the Garden
posted by Rex User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 09:04 PM
edited on July 03, 2008 at 08:31 AM
Denise/All,
Am I the only person who sees a lot of raving going on on this
forum by one
person using several aliases (We all know who I mean). Verbal
diharrhea being
spewed out by a total pseudo who thinks he's a cut above the
rest. My suggestion
is that bullshit and waffle postings are removed more often.
Pull the weeds
please.
Thanks, Rex.
[Infoburst: If anyone talks shite in this forum then it gets
deleted but there is a fine line between New Age Nonsense and
Philosophical genius. I have already (elsewhere) taken Draconuit
to task over spouting superfluous allegory and couching
suppositions enigmatically which not only mislead newcomers but
can often be misread by experienced occultists as provocations,
leading to flaming. We all have to keep in mind what the SAEF
was incepted for, and that is to act as a community pool of
information for all Sorcerer's Apprentice clients whether
beginners or advanced. A conscious part of this process (to
allow amongst other things for beginners not wanting to make
fools of themselves) was allowing total anonymity for
contributors. 'Rex' cannot complain if 'Draconuit' also chooses
to contribute under several other pseudonyms. What is important
is the CONTENT of the messages and its applicability to others I
constantly prune a lot of input from people as well as Draconuit
but there is no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Draconuit has proved he has some valuable things to contribute
and he knows full well that if his claptrap rating goes beyond
40% of the content I will delete anything which he posts. This,
I feel, is the best way of making the SAEF all-encompassing. If
you don't agree with something Draconuit says then be my guest
and educate us all. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Email link.
posted by Michael. User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 04:13 PM
Caligula seemed to wish action by the senate. email: the art
would be in the name. The formation of words the personality, as
usual. This can be done, but after another manner. Certain;
physical confimation, it works. Of what One found: Fr. is right,
you are right, fundies. 1. Didn't get too close, dissapeared
fast. Peace.
New era.Good Luck.Michael.
Topic Copyright. posted by
Draconuit. User
posted on June 26, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Many thanks, Denise, I was not entirely hoodwinked then.
Since 1989 I searched for a number transmitted to me.
I eventually found it as a numbered work deep in the bowels of
one equinox volume, out of print. The claim to copyright was
passed from O.T.O. I downloaded it, (I would have bought it, if
I could.)
This is, I realise, the culmination of my lifes work.
I cannot, therefore, object to out of print works being
available, for study by those of Equinox level, though I wish
Weiser would produce an unending supply, with the option of
buying one work.If I have sinned, I will pay. Yes, I too have
found Californian O.T.O. most
pleasing. Genuine, devoted, clean etc.
Not aware of the restriction in America, Canada etc. I cannot
judge. However, I am duty bound to alert my fellow aspirants to
our strict morality code. Enough waffling! Your answer, most
enlightening. Pleased Fr. M. likes Fr. H.B. This Brazilian
sounds like 'just another' little Hitler, probably with a deep
seated sense of inadequacy, that He wishes to proclaim; "My
ego's better than yours." Hell always begins with the ego.
Thankyou, best wishes, D.
Topic Copyright. posted by
Draconuit. User
posted on June 25, 2008 at 11:00 PM
edited on June 26, 2008 at 08:39 AM
Would S.A. be so kind as to clarify, who actually holds full,
legal copyright to The Equinox volumes, and all other works by
Crowley, please? (I read a claim to copyright, which I
am compelled to investigate;) Thankyou.
[Infoburst: According to Marabas The Crowley Copyrights are a
vexed rat's nest of legalities and counter claims linked
fundamentally to several competing claims from groups claiming
to be the antecedents of Crowley's OTO . Legal control over much
of Crowley's magical work has been awarded to the Californian
OTO in USA courts but the Brazilian Marcello Motta claims to
have a very strong case also and the two have been at
loggerheads for many decades over this. Marabas tends to err
with the Californian O.T.O because, amongst many other positive
connections, when fundamentalists firebombed the S.A. in 1989
Hymena Beta of the Calif. OTO wrote him a very kind personal
letter of support and urged him to continue, whereas Marcello
Motta wrote him letters threatening legal action for breach of
copyright because the S.A. sold Califorian OTO publications! By
their works are they knowest. Of course essentially it doesn't
really matter who has the coypright on Crowley's works as long
as they are accurately edited and kept in print for Thelemites
to benefit from. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: Nostalgia and appreciation
posted by anonymous User
posted on June 19, 2008 at 07:50 AM
edited on June 19, 2008 at 03:46 PM
The biggest drawback to meeting Marabas in his shop back then
was that you always came out with twice as much stuff as you'd
gone in for.
Not a problem with mail order :-)
[Infoburst: You and me both! The atmosphere in the shop was VERY
potent and it sort of took hold of people. Some would queue up
at the counter to speak to M and they were so glad to find an
adept whom they could trust they would often pour out their
innermost problems whilst 20 more people waited behind them to
do the same. Not exactly confidential but highly absorbing
because there was a kind of communal cross-pollination of
problems and M's solutions.
The egregore at that time was VERY positive and it kind of
developed into a personal group encounter thing but was close to
getting out of hand due to the sheer volume of people wanting
his time. There used to be customers who had actually camped
outside the shop when we got there some Saturdays to be first in
to gain some of M's time! There is a continuous push-pull
relationship between gurus and chelas and M has been very
careful not to allow a personality cult to develop because,
rightly, he says his job is to empower others not make them
dependent upon someone else. He has seen far too many adepts
consumed by the incessant, if understandable, demands of their
pupils so that was another reason why he began to put emphasis
on other methods of reaching as many people as possible without
losing the essence of his teachings. BB Denise W.]
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Topic Nostalgia and appreciation
posted by John User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 07:08 AM
edited on June 19, 2008 at 03:32 PM
Hi All,
I got to visit the SA shop on a few Saturdays when I worked in
Yorkshire
in the 90's and it was a great place. An Aladdin's cave as they
used to say !
The benefit of person to person speech and rapport can't be
matched by
email and the like as we have to bear in mind email will always
be limited
because it can be misused by snoops and enemies and the nanny
State.
I never did meet Frater Marabas but another man 'M' managing the
shop
was a great guy and made my visits very enjoyable and pointed me
in
the direction of some great stuff. Frater Marabas has done so
much and
continues to do so, and what is also great about the SA is that
he has
Great assistants and representatives as exemplified in Denise,
so my
Thanks to Denise and all at the SA for being the best. You are
deeply
appreciated. John.
[Infoburst: Aw shucks John, now you made me blush... Well we do
try harder (if we didn't M would crack the whip more ;-)) and
it's always nice to have that recognised. You are probably
referring to Mark, who used to manage the shop for many years
and did a great job of assisting many souls to develop. He was
imortalised in the Cook
Report's deplorable and discredited 'Devil's Work' shown
on screen using a video camera filming Cook filming us! You
don't need to worry about the content of emails - the really
confidential ones are always encrypted and we only use customer
numbers, not names and address details in them anyway so
identification on-line would be almost impossible for any
snoopers. M thinks of everything. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 01:34 AM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Only just found your post. Point taken. The Golden Dawn
ressurected in kentucky (I think) under odd circumstances.
However, we're
stuck with a system that refers to the first order as G.D.
I shall clarify this. I have to be very careful with the inner
orders explanation also, but that's what I am, having read about
pigeon sacrifice(???) I feel obliged to give a very brief
outline of what we are. I'll amend G.D. to O.T.O.
It might be wisest to simply state that the two higher orders
are invisible. Thanks for everything.(Putting up with my nature
included!)
[Infoburst:
Hi Draconuit - we are getting a little off-message here so I
have started a new thread on the Antecedency of the Golden Dawn
and transferred your contributions there to facilitate an
expansion of your comments by others. BB Denise W. BTW it's par
for the course that occultists' comments are likely to be
abstruse but always keep in mind that this is a public forum
where ANYONE can surf. If you make tongue in cheek metaphorical
remarks - such as the one above about pigeon sacrifice - please
make sure you plainly qualify it with (joke!) (lol) or a smiley
(:-) to avoid Xists seizing upon it as their tiny minds are wont
to do! ] ;-)
Topic One pointedness.
posted by ONU User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 01:14 AM
Greetings Denise,
I realised there might be a space for a pamphlet on one
pointedness, concentration on point within circle, expansion to
take in circle not shifting gaze, etc.
Best Wishes.
Topic sending cash/euros
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on June 18, 2008 at 01:10 AM
edited on June 26, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Cheers Dennis Im sure 1 will compliment the other. Can I send
Euros through the post and what is the exchange rate.
rienpeas
[Infoburst:
Yes, we accept Euros at the ruling day rate plus 3.5 percent for
handling. You can work this out by going to
https://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/currenco.htm to get the
current bank exchange rate for Euros against the pound and then
just times this by 3.5 divided by 100 to get the extra 3.5
percent handling charge - we will provide an itemised receipt
showing the breakdown and accounting of the order as is our
usual practice. We recommend that customers send cash by
registered post but many overseas clients trust to luck and I
can't remember when one was last disappointed. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: THE S.A. SUGGESTION BOX: Any Hints,
Tips, Improvements, Corrections You Want Us To Make?
posted by RP User
posted on June 17, 2008 at 08:29 PM
edited on June 18, 2008 at 08:34 AM
Hi Denise,
Yes I sometimes forget that the SA has had a great deal of
trouble with - particular aspects- of the Establishment.In my
own way I feel that I have had my own problems with those forces
as well. It sounds a little paranoid, but sometimes you can't
help but think that they know who we all are and what we are
doing ( Big Brother gone thought police mad! lol). Even back in
1988 I was followed after leaving the shop at Hyde Park and also
intermittently after that - so makes you wonder!!
Best RP
Well there you are you see, RP, you've proved my point for me.
One of the many reasons why M does not allow callers at the shop
is to protect their own interests. Fundies are on record as
'staking out' occult shops and trying to identify calling
customers who have 'vulnerable' positions and then 'outing' them
at work, to their landlords, etc. Now many occultists have big
enough balls to delight in such afrays and would say 'bring 'em
on' but others are in particularly sensitive positions and do
not want their professional careers unneccessarily destroyed by
bigots. Marabas has always stressed the importance of
confidentiality and his successful ways of dealing with this is
one reason why VIPs patronise the S.A. People often forget that
it is against our financial interests to stop customers calling
and that M's decision to protect his clients is a considerable
sacrifice which he would not countenance unless he thought it
best thus many other occult supply businesses seek to minimise
or dispute these dangers in order to avoid having to make the
same sacrifices. As you can see - this subject is VERY extensive
and these examples are just a way of illustrating the hidden
care which clients of the S.A. enjoy - often without realising
it. All the best Denise W. ]
Topic RE: THE S.A. SUGGESTION BOX: Any Hints,
Tips, Improvements, Corrections You Want Us To Make?
posted by RP User
posted on June 14, 2008 at 06:40 PM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Hi Denise,
Well I still think that it is a real shame that the S.A is
strictly mail order only! I remember the shop days and I miss
them. I think that Marabas has a lot to offer and I am surprised
that he has become so reclusive. There are many genuine S.A
clients who would like to meet Marabas, if only briefly,for
instance when buying things or perhaps at an occasional lecture.
I feel that Marabas' decision to be unattainable will damage the
legacy of the S.A in the long term. I have been a client for 23
years and I have studied everything that he has recorded and
published. He has achieved greatness, so why not share a bit of
that by meeting people face to face just once in a while? Well
the question was about how the S.A could improve and this is my
take on things!
Best Wishes RP
[Infoburst. Point well taken RP, you are not alone in wanting
this - Marabas himself would prefer it but there are extensive
ramifications of which you are not aware which disable him from
achieving it and the masterly way he has handled things will be
seen historically as a fine legacy once everyone cottons on
after he shuffles off this mortal coil. Remember, M pronounced
in 1988 at the height of the myth that forces of suppression
were out to destroy the S.A. utterly in order to push
esotericism under-ground again and deny access to the Ancient
Wisdom for every genuine seeker. The entire weight of the
Establishment was brought to bear to do this - and due to M's
wise actions failed. Thus the S.A. treads a fine tightrope as
the standard bearer for genuine esotericists and balancing these
conflicting forces is something he has to do for aeonic reasons.
Anyone who sees his actions as a personal afront has totally
misread what is happening. As I have mentioned elsewhere on the
SAEF he hopes to set up an on-line lecture/chat room in the near
future which should be useful for those who want more contact
with him. Will let you know as things progress. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Chill out space.
posted by ONU ( Draconuit.) User
posted on June 13, 2008 at 07:20 PM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:14 AM
Greetings Denise,
Unless you object, I'm going to start a 'Chill out' thread.
Best Wishes,
[Please Do So Draconuit - we'll suck it and see.BB Denise W ]
Topic RE: THE S.A. SUGGESTION BOX: Any Hints,
Tips, Improvements, Corrections You Want Us To Make?
posted by Karen User
posted on June 12, 2008 at 01:31 AM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:17 AM
Well, I'm glad I can finally get the magical oils page up on my
laptop again (the yellow page with guides to selected oils). I'm
not sure what happened to it previously; but it's nice to see
that it's been "repaired"...
[Hi Karen, as you found out the Magical Oils List is back up on
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/magoils.htm
The effect of the recent and often highly ridiculous consumer
protection legislation has meant that we are having to amend
many of our pages for silly reasons. E.G. We cannot now refer to
our Solomonic Pantacle as a Solomonic Pantacle because we now
have to arse-wipe idiots who might be dim enough to actually
believe that it was THE Solomonic Pantacle which King Solomon
used. At 34.95! So to avoid this terrible happenstance of
unintentionally misleading people with only one brain-cell we
are having to amend the title of this item to Solomonic STYLE
pentacle. There are literally hundreds of such changes which are
having to be put in place and so some pages will disappear from
our site for a temporary period as they are being updated.
Regular customers can always order or enquire by email if they
need anything. (fastorderATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk / Tel 011x
x451309 ) BB. Denise W. ]
Topic RE: THE S.A. SUGGESTION BOX: Any Hints,
Tips, Improvements, Corrections You Want Us To Make?
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 11:28 PM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:01 AM
Thanks Dennis. Im a beginer to Magick and forums but i can
always rustle up a bit of honesty. Im basicaly looking for a
forum where i can learn, share and relax. 2 things that would
help a wee novice like me. 1... A chill out area for lighter
conversations. a place where we an be a bit more playful with
our ideas, ask the silly questions and get creative. 2....
some
Topics started by yourself to get us chatting.
Hope this is helpful
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst: Hi Ricenpeas, well, as was only to be suspected I
suppose, this forum has a life of its own and is in part
reflecting what you and other forum surfers put into it. However
the SAEF was originally begun as a kind of live FAQ designed so
that our more advanced clientelle could help new customers in
relation to any S.A. products and also educate them away from
the NAN which tends to mislead many newcomers to esotericism
these days. It seems to be serving both those purposes well so
long may it continue. BB Denise W. ]
Topic Crowley: Thelemism; a clearer view.
posted by ONU (Draconuit.) User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 06:11 PM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Greetings Denise, I find your forum very good, eclectic and
liberal.
I noticed much muddle on The Crowley Thread, and have written a
v. brief explanation of The Golden Dawn, The outermost Thelemic
order.
I am competent to outline the further stages- and final order,
carefully disclosing, veiled truths,which some seekers may wish
to study further, in book form.
Any thoughts, Denise? Good idea? Bad idea? I shall, of course,
do as you decide.
Light, Life, Love and Liberty.
[infoburst: Hi Draconuit, you must be careful with absolute
statements which may mislead. Anyone following the G.D. system
will find your claim that it is a 'thelemic' order paradoxical.
Similarly, though Crowley was trained initially in the G.D.
system and was therefore influenced by it, in essence the G.D.
was/is ante-New Aeon and there is no genuine thelemic order that
we know of that claims the G.D. order itself as a part of the
thelemic system. BB Denise W.
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Topic THE S.A. SUGGESTION BOX: Any Hints,
Tips, Improvements, Corrections You Want Us To Make?
posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on June 11, 2008 at 09:40 AM
Hi all, Denise here.
A few forum users have been emailing me directly with
suggestions on how they think we can improve the S.A. service
and I thought this might be a good subject for a thread
discussion. So, if you have any constructive criticisms for
changes, or ideas which you think would help us improve our
service to our customers then this thread will remain extant for
you to express them and get clarification on the forum. We
invite feedback from absolute newbies as well as old hands. BB
Denise W.
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Topic Smoking ban. posted
by Skryer User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 09:27 PM
Semper ubi sub ubi
Always where under where!!
Topic RE: smoking ban
posted by Skryer User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 06:48 PM
Einstastz = Nazi Torture, I went to public school, I should have
known that!!
Topic smoking ban posted
by skryer User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 05:43 PM
sorry i meant ersatz!!
Topic RE: H&H posted
by Skryer User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Einsatsz = substitute,
If you have a blending recipe, for a recipe not yet banned why
cannot you produce it?
Topic RE: H&H posted
by H.H. hed'd pixie User
posted on May 13, 2008 at 03:37 PM
edited on May 17, 2008 at 09:57 AM
Hello
Yes herbal High was a great product i really miss it. Is there
any chance you could start making it again SA? What was the
reason you stopped production?
[Inforburst The S.A. had to stop making Herbal High because new
legislation from Europe (enhanced by the sticky fingers of
British bureaucrats) made it impossible to do. Which is a pity
because our 26 herb secret formula was, as people on this thread
acknowledge, pretty darned good! However as Skryer mentions
above, there are individual herbs which have been used as
Shamanistic Sacraments for centuries which are a good
replacement and which, at the moment, the Einsatz Kommandos from
the EEC have not yet banned. You can find a list of some of
these on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/shamsacr.htm This
information is provided solely for historical comparison of
course. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: H&H posted
by H.H. hed'd pixie User
posted on May 13, 2008 at 03:37 PM
Hello
Yes herbal High was a great product i really miss it. Is there
any chance you could start making it again SA? What was the
reason you stopped production?
Topic H&H posted by
Herne User
posted on May 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM
I loved H&H it was a great smoke, pity they don`t make it
anymore, it was great with music.
Cannabis is just far too strong to be enjoyed, so all I smoke
now is just tobacco.
Bring back H&H
Topic RE: The Smoking Ban
posted by Puffi Amiyumi User
posted on May 04, 2008 at 06:40 PM
edited on May 17, 2008 at 10:00 AM
What are the real dangers of smoking ?
Why does Japan have the highest percentage
of adult male smokers per country yet the
lowest rate of lung cancer in the same group ?
..Some speculate that its all the green tea that's
drunk as per the country's normal habit.
[Could very well be Puffi, but keep in mind that the Traditional
'old-style' Japanese diet is basically the foundation of what is
known in the West as Macrobiotics and thus is very well balanced
in etheric energy leading to a generally healthy population as a
result. Denise W]
Topic Smoking Ban posted
by Skryer User
posted on May 02, 2008 at 08:27 AM
Inhaling asafoetida seems to heighten conscious awareness...but
you eyes sting like hell!! There is always a price to
pay...Pain!!
Topic RE: The Smoking Ban
posted by JK User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 06:38 PM
I don't smoke tobacco but I was sent a pack of SA herbal high as
a gratis
gift with an order once and really liked it. There was also a
snuff called
Buz-zing. That was an experience !
JK
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posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 07:28 AM
Hi
I see the S A has had to stop making Herbal High smoking mixture
why was that? I really enjoyed a smoke everyday of that stuff
Topic The Smoking Ban
posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM
edited on May 17, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Not exactly to do with the Occult but I`d like to know
everyone`s opinion please.
Hi HeadsAkimbo - The smoking ban is part of the increasing state
intrusion into freedom of choice. Right away I want to say that
I don't actually smoke but got so pissed off with hearing
self-righteous moral claptrap from politicians and 'health
professionals' that I went out and bought a pack of cheroots.
Now whenever some do-gooder bangs on about the 'dangers' of
smoking I light up a cheroot and blow smoke at them. ;-) M says
that you have to keep your eye on the ball here - the debate is
not about the cost to the NHS nor is it about saving people from
self-harm for the better good of all. It's all about subjugating
individual freedom of choice. If they can get control over what
you put in your mouth then they can get control over what you
say and what you think. I mean, for all the bleating about
health and safety you would think these people don't realise
they are going to die eventually whatever their lifestyle is.
You are going to have to face death alone so you have a right to
do what you want with your life (an it harm none). Health is a
relative proposition and M sees a lot of disguised body fascism
seeping into this debate and its linked motifs (so-called
'binge' drinking - scares about STDs, recreational drugs,
'obesity', and the constant drip-feed of ludicrous pseudo
scientific research on the minutiae of life). M says in the
universe there are two cosmic forces. Contraction and Expansion.
The Xists contract everything they come into contact with -
particularly their anal sphincters! Esoterisists and
free-thinkers Expand everything they come into contact with but
we are in the minority and are at the moment fighting a losing
battle with sleepy people who are too ready to fall into the
dictates of the State. BB De ]nise W
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Topic Cyberbooks. posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 02:22 AM
Hi, One and All,
My personal viewpoint: If I download a spell from Fr. Marabus,
in cyberspace, it seems to be Yetziric, in the formative planes;
I invoke on all planes, through to the Assiatic: physical plane.
So, I write the spell in my B.o.S, Diary.
Similarly, I enjoy picking up a solid book, rather than read a
screen. One could argue a case for printing, as I have done with
some unique pentagram Rituals, a combo. of QBL, Thelema and
Enochia, now transferred to my B.o.S: Book of Shadows.
What if my p.c. crashes? No problem.
Further, my taste for Thelemic literature is diffucult to find.
Not for S.A. Further, Frater Marabus has always, bravely stood
up, and announced, that, if I need advice, He is there for Me,
and you.
I know where to download books S.A. sells, why should I deny
S.A. the money asked for physical knowledge, beyond price? If
everybody did that, S.A. would suffer, and we need them, as a
beacon, a reference point, and so much more!
I am a serious student of Thelemic work, and read out of print
works E.G. The Equinox. Otherwise, S.A. :every time.
I rest my case. Now, come Hell or high water, I'm going
into seclusion, awhile, to meditate.
Best Wishes: One and All.
The One desires The many, as The many desire The One.
Topic RE: Protagorasm
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 03:45 PM
I have no issues with being proved wrong missplacedself so in
the interest of learning i will try and strenghten the weaker
argument.
Generaly speaking, filling your hard drive with books youll
never study is just a waste of time. Books, titles and money are
not what makes a Magician. Marabas akins this mentality to to
the internet porn junky, who gets off on the "collecting" rather
than the "content". When i got into Magick i did this exact same
thing. I countered this attitude with a passion for real books,
treating them like surgical instuments ready to be mastered,
and, Bobs your uncle i stared to learn.
I still download books that might take my fancy and if they suit
me i buy them if not i delete them. I win the sellers win. This
saves me money and every book on my loved bookcase is useful.
Theres so much stuff in print on Magick it would have cost me a
fortune flicking through what was right for me. So rather than
promoting one or the other i shall promote the common sense
approach. Respect yourself.
Ricenpeas
Topic Plagarism posted by
Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 01:51 AM
Where are the sophists at lest they give intresting alternatives
Topic RE: This is a bit naughty but...
posted by Alan User
posted on May 11, 2008 at 09:10 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 08:55 AM
I have to say that I am not in a position to have a lot of
occult books around my dwellings so I will download books to my
laptop whenever I can. I don't know what the copyright is with
some of them. In some cases I have even binned
a book I have bought due to its controversial nature or
obstrusive size and kept a download instead. I for one am very
grateful that so many of Marabas's teachings can be downloaded.
Best idea yet. Instant, succinct and no one is ripped off. -
Alan
[Infoburst: That's a very good point Alan, there still can be a
lot of prejudice and intolerance over a family member
researching the esoteric and if a person is in this kind of
position it can be useful to keep a 'digital library' and avoid
the confrontation (and invasion of privacy) which printed books
might cause if brought into the household. It is strange how
ordinary folk are tricked into unthinkingly believing that
information in a book on, say, the tenets of Satanism is
dangerous and subversive, whereas an encyclopaedia which
contains step-by-step details of how nuclear devices are
constructed is educational! Digital books will have a very
important part to play in the future dissemination of the
Ancient Wisdom. BB Denise]
Topic Book prices posted
by morning star User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 08:32 PM
edited on September 01, 2008 at 08:54 AM
On the subject of books, Does the Sorcerer's Apprentice still do
a price-beater
service eg, one of your books is available elsewhere at a
discounted price, will
you sell that book for the lower price ? I remember this was the
offer at one time. I'd rather give my money to SA than some big
corporate bookseller, on the other hand, for a few quid I
wouldn't quibble as your service is the fastest and best around.
MS.
[Infoburst: Yes Morningstar, Most of our titles are exclusive
and are only obtainable through us but we still 'match or beat'
any other bookseller who offers open-market occult publications
'edition-for-edition' which we carry in our lists. (i.e.
paperback vs paperback / hardcover vs hardcover etc).
Experienced netters will know that often it is not the actual
price of the book which is the final arbiter but associated
charges (postage, packing, insurance, processing charges and, of
course, whether they actually have the book to sell ( so often
'discount' booksellers on the net don't carry any physical stock
and order it from the publishers when you order it from them
(lower overheads!) - hence 10 cheaper can mean waiting months
before you get that important book for your personal development
and then the trade-off doesn't look so attractive. It is very
important also to remember that reducing the service is one way
of lowering overheads and that buying a book 10 cheaper
somewhere else doesn't mean the S.A. are making 10 more profit -
these discount sellers make just as much and in many instances
even more profit due to various market structuralisations.
Lastly, and here we are back with that bane of modern life
'discountitis' again, with most discount booksellers (and with
ALL pirated books) you don't get free priceless after sales
service and advice to put you right from adepts like you do at
the S.A. That can be worth far more than the price of the book
itself! BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: This is a bit naughty but...
posted by John K. User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 04:24 AM
edited on May 17, 2008 at 09:47 AM
It's actually a bit disrespectful, seeing that this forum has
been provided by an occult bookseller, and the purpose is the
e-soteric not e-piracy. Just my opinion. - John K.
[You are right John, it reveals the paucity of understanding
evinced by NotSayingMate and others who have unwittingly bought
into consumerist discountitis. Anyone who thinks they can
benefit from the sacred magical knowledge which has taken a
lifetime of learning and sacrifice to amass by stealing it off
the net has got to be deluding themselves. The books are not the
magic - they lead to the inner realisation of the magic - and
simply possessing them will benefit the unwary nothing.
Squirreling away pirated magical tomes which your mental
processes simply cannot come to terms with because of an anally
retentive approach to materialism which society has
indoctrinated you with will not bring you closer to
initiate-hood. What kind of person steals a reasonable living
from the mouth of his own heroes, stoops to criminalising
himself in the process and then thinks he is getting something
for nothing? BB Denise W ]
Topic This is a bit naughty but...
posted by Not saying mate! User
posted on April 30, 2008 at 03:46 AM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 09:00 AM
...has anyone seen the huge amounts of gigabytes of occult
ebooks that have been posted as bit torrents lately?
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Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell
posted by Willowtree User
posted on July 08, 2010 at 10:11 PM
Thank you for alerting me to the
Topic "Why do love spells never work" at
http://www.pliner.net/appmb2/134a9f/337789/3/. I have read
through this and noted, quite rightly, what Denise said:
"Genuine magick never fails - it's usually a fault in the
application or a misconceived idea of where to apply focus".
With all due respect to you, I don't know what possessed me (if
you'll forgive the pun :-)) to write on the forum so I have
written direct to the SA for help.
Thank you once again for your input.
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell
posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on July 06, 2010 at 04:29 PM
At the risk of repeating myself I have had a similar debate with
someone else on this forum with a
Topic titled 'Why do love spells never work ?'
I'm sure if you have not already read this post you will find it
very interesting in relation to your current situation.
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell
posted by Willowtree User
posted on July 05, 2010 at 02:12 AM
Thank you for your answer and although I do understand what
you're saying, I can't let him go.
I gave myself an iChing reading this evening asking if he was
rebelling against the spell and got hexagram No. 14 Ta Yu
(possession in great measure - supreme success) with no changing
lines. So, the future hexagram is the same (if my understanding
is correct). I am taking this to mean that he isn't rebelling
and therefore what you have said is correct.
However, Marabas states in the Love Spell kit that:
"This lovespell draws two people together in a Love binding
rite. Once the magical knots are tied by tradition the forces
work to inexorably draw the people together".
So whatever the reason for what happened, the fact is that he is
still wanting to see me and calling me every day. I've been
dumped but he's still around and he seems to be his old self
again.
I'm very confused.
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell
posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on July 03, 2010 at 02:46 PM
It could be a case that this guy is n't subconsciously rebelling
against the spell,but is in fact showing his true colours and is
not compatable with you.
Don't waste anymore time trying to keep him,instead I think it
would be a far better to work a spell for your soul mate ( the
Gods will bring the best person for you) which is given in
Frater Marabas's Master Class in Ceremonial Magic audio CD.
I used this same spell many years ago for my soul mate and am
still with her 20 years later !
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell
posted by Willowtree User
posted on June 24, 2010 at 09:48 AM
I performed this spell three months ago and now something a
little 'weird' has happened. I've been dumped. Now, I know this
may sound daft but I believe the reason is because the spell has
worked. Everything I have used from the SA has worked so I had
no doubts about this whatsoever.
I got this guy using the Snow Queen perfume, just to see how the
relationship would work out. Everything seemed to be going okay
so I decided to do the Love Spell. I had actually forgotten
about it and then things started going 'wrong' in the
relationship. As he is a guy who says "no-one is going to tell
me what to do" and a little bit 'bulshy', I am assuming that
this is a subconscious adverse reaction to the spell.
What I have been doing these past couple of days is to use the
dream time spell, giving commands through his wax image and have
also used the "Come Back to Me Oil" on his photograph.
Under normal circumstances, I would just let him go because he
turned out to be not the type of person that I thought he was
and he portrayed himself to be. However, I do believe he is
acting strangely and having a "Jekyll and Hyde" personality
because of subconsciously fighting against the spell.
I would appreciate anyone's take on this and whether what I am
doing is correct or not or should be doing something else.
Many thanks :-)
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell
posted by Willowtree User
posted on March 11, 2010 at 07:28 PM
Hi Imperial Wizard,
I think I would rather do it all in one go rather than twice - I
can wait a little while longer plus it gives me a little more
time to work on the image doll :-)
Thank you for your answer - I shall certainly bear this in mind
when working other more urgent spells.
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell
posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on March 11, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Depends how desperate you are,why not do it today?I know the
moons waning an all that,but it can't hurt then you'll compound
the effect when you rework it in a couple of weeks time.
Seize the moment experience has taught me whilst magical timing
is desirable its not always essential!
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell
posted by Willowtree User
posted on March 08, 2010 at 05:41 PM
edited on March 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Hi Ricenpeas and thank you for your answer.
The spellkit for loves desire states that the spell should be
performed at the third or tenth hour after sunset which is why I
questioned if my results would be impeded if I performed it in
the morning after sunrise.
I have taken another look at the SA year planner as you
suggested and note that the first and eighth hours after sunrise
on a Friday are also the hours of Venus so I shall perform my
spell in the morning :-)
[Infoburst; Well done Willowtree for deducing it correctly. Our
spellkit instructions give what is essentially a very complex
procedure in an actionable form. There are always two times
during a day when the traditional Planetary hours are right for
any spell and these are based on the fixed tables used in the
heyday of magic, however as we approach the solstices the tables
of planetary hours diminish or extend with the sun and sometimes
they overlap into the next day or night thus Marabas tries to
give both options in his instructions to enable the spell to
make sense at any time of year. The EXACT method of calculating
planetary hours is given in detail for any time of year in his
Occult Yearplanner here. BB Denise W
Topic RE: Time of doing the Love Spell
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on March 08, 2010 at 01:23 PM
Hi Willowtree. You are correct that traditionaly the day for
doing love spells is a friday, as each day is associated with a
planetry energy. Also, each day is broken down into planetry
hours and Venus occurs twice in each day (once in the day time
and once in the night time) so, yes, it is ok to perform love
spells in the day. For exact times and a deeper explination of
this maybe you can check out the S.As "occult year planner".
Topic Time of doing the Love Spell
posted by Willowtree User
posted on March 06, 2010 at 02:50 PM
I am planning on doing the Love Spell (P100) in a couple of
weeks but may not be able to perform it in the evening after
sunset. Is it therefore okay to perform it in the morning after
sunrise instead, on the nearest Friday before the Full Moon
please? In other words, would it impede my results if I perform
it in the morning instead of evening?
Thank you in advance.
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Topic RE: Unbinding the Love Spell Cord
posted by Willowtree User
posted on February 16, 2010 at 01:10 PM
Thank you Denise :-)
Topic Unbinding the Love Spell Cord
posted by willowtree User
posted on February 15, 2010 at 09:14 PM
edited on February 16, 2010 at 01:30 PM
If I want to unbind the red cord on my love spell (dolls), do I
have to do it in a certain way please? Also, may I re-use the
same red cord on another love spell or do I need to purchase
fresh cord?
As the Gods have worked hard on my first love spell, I do not
want to upset them. Would it therefore be preferable to do
something such as an offering for thanks and to apologise, to
appease them?
Thank you in advance.
[Infoburst: Greetings Willowtree. Your posting was a little
unclear.
I will presume that your lovespell worked but that you now want
to cut ties with that person and move on to someone else. If
that is the case then Marabas teaches that you must not use any
item which has already been consecrated (i.e. used in ritual)for
one person on another different person. However you should cut
the cords and remove the subject links. A prayer of thanks and
supplication to the gods will keep them on-side for your future
magic but is not absolutely necessary.
If you wish to rework a lovespell on the same target then you
should not under any circumstances undo your previous magic
because that will be an insult to the gods who are already
working on your wish. Re-bind the dolls using fresh cord
(obtain it here)on top of the old one to compound the new and
the previous spells.
BB Denise W. ]
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Topic Using a subject link
posted by Anonymous User
posted on June 27, 2008 at 05:47 PM
edited on July 01, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Does anyone know if an email can be used as a subject link? I
know its not the same as a handwritten letter etc but didn't
know if it could be used as it still has the senders input
attatched. Any advice please? Thanks
infoburst:
I've deleted the rest of this thread because there was more
sparring and flaming than constructive advice and this is the
type of enquiry which should really be made direct to
queriesATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk as part of our after-sales
and general advice service. Marabas says that a subject link is
anything which contains the essence of the target. Something
from their body (hair nails, spittle, etc) which will still
contain the vibrational signature of that person. Based on this
technical explanation an email would not probably work as a
subject link. However, faced with no better option, many
magicians have used the NAME of a target as a subject link to
good effect and if this works then an email may also work and we
would be interested if anyone on the forum has had experience of
doing this. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic Weejee boards posted
by Smithy User
posted on April 20, 2009 at 12:45 PM
edited on April 21, 2009 at 02:00 PM
Just seen your web advert for the new Ouija board/invocator
dial.
Do you still also sell the old table top wooden Weejee boards ?
If not would you reconsider adding them to your range again
though
I expect they might be a bit dear as they were a top quality
item.
Biggest/heaviest ouija boards I ever saw. Thanks, Smithy.
[Infoburst: Hi Smithy. You are not alone in desiring our
old-style heavy wooden Ouija P74 but production prices and
carriage costs were becoming ludicriously expensive.
Additionally many spiritists and psychics were asking for a
light-weight carry-anywhere board which could be set up in an
instant. (Ideal for carrying to sacred sites, locations of
hauntings, psychic 'hot' spots etc. where contact with specific
sentient spirits was more easily made) The old wooden boards
would now cost a small fortune. The new lightweight P74N
(see here) is 25.00! And it comes integral with the crucial and
unique S.A. Spirit Invocation Dial in which you can specify and
tune in to the astral entity/discarnate spirit you choose.
There's just absolutely no contest, P74N is the way forward and
we are getting lots of positive feedback from many users. BB
Denise W.]
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posted by V.I.T.R.I.O.L User
posted on January 01, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Congratulations Denise the creation of this Forum is a wonderful
step forward for sincere magical aspirants as there seems to be
so much of the kind that tend to be infiltrated by what Marabas
terms plastic pagans and also new age nuts that one does not
realy feel them relevant or worthwhile participating. Where
would we be without the SA? Excellent! Well done!
Topic RE: What is this?
posted by anon User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 09:14 AM
Sorry, fogot to mention, the
Topic was faeries, page 1,posted by, pastlifewizard. I thought
it odd, the way he expects people to simply tell him what He,
should actually study, and form personal opinion thereby. Thus,
I was going to suggest study. I wonder 'what' he is? A spy? good
luck to All genuine seekers!
Topic RE: What is this?
posted by anon User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 08:31 AM
Really sorry to bother you openly, I can't reach saef, a
problem, I wanted to answer 'pastlifewizard' Well, I was going
to suggest he contact you and buy some books, however, his post
activated: 'A computer wants to install a program...'Needless to
say, I've got a tracking cookie. Sorry to 'out' him so publicly,
but what is he doing?Respect to all.
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM!
posted by RP User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 09:02 PM
Superb! I look forward to developments! Can't wait! Thanks
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM!
posted by Denise User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Greetings RP and welcome, Yes, as outlined in Flashmail39 we do
have plans for webchats with Marabas (and other emminent
occultists). These will be private chat room affairs with a
small number of users forming an audience, a talk on some
occult
Topic/method and following with a questions and answers session.
There will be a nominal fee for a 'ticket' for these audiences.
The implimentation of 'An Audience with Marabas' is still
ongoing so it will be some months yet but as soon as everything
is tested we will invite all S.A. clients by email and of course
let all users of this forum know with an announcement here.
Marabas was also talking theoretically about also implementing
an on-line Mystery School with regular teach-ins for enrolled
'pupils# (very exciting) but that will be a long time ahead.
Meanwhile keep tuned to the forum. BB Denise W. Scribe to
Marabas
Topic RE: What is this?
posted by Denise User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 12:23 PM
If you read the Rules of the Forum above you will see that we
explicitly recommend that people only make contact with others
ON THE FORUM. The forum itself is secure but we cannot guarantee
what happens outside it. Apart from the adolescent nerds who
might want to have fun there are a host of 'enemies of truth'
out there who would just love to cripple your ability to use
this forum and evolve spiritually. Stick to making contact
through the Forum and do not 'click-through' any emails relating
to the forum - log in always through the server's interface
http://www.pliner.net for maximum security. Use your anti-virus
programme to do a scan on your computer and all should be well.
Best Wishes - John Dennis
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posted by RP User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 09:24 PM
Dear Denise,
May I enquire if this forum is a pilot for a 'later' members
only forum? Would Marabas consider delivering teachings to those
who are both dedicated clients of the SA, and who are willimg to
subscribe for a membership fee?
Thanks
RP
Topic RE: A:A:silence
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 08:22 PM
Then we should treat you with an equal amount of suspicion for
blowing your own cover on the SA Esoteric Forum!
Topic RE: A:A:bahh! posted
by paa User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 07:47 PM
Invisible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get real fella!
Topic RE: yummy posted by
AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 11:10 PM
I loved the Diamond Dogs quote though! :-)
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Topic A:A: posted by One
User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 06:47 PM
The A:A: is an invisible order which never advertises itself, by
net, newspaper etc.Those who do are to be treated with
suspicion.
By chance I know of the previous writers, they are genuine but
are breaking our first principles. I shall be contacting them.
Topic A:A: posted by One
User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 06:47 PM
The A:A: is an invisible order which never advertises itself, by
net, newspaper etc.Those who do are to be treated with
suspicion.
By chance I know of the previous writers, they are genuine but
are breaking our first principles. I shall be contacting them.
Topic RE: yummy posted by
lvxmagician User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 06:11 PM
Core the BS of the charlatans is out tonight! Fwaaaaw!
Topic yummy posted by A;A;
Babalon000 User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 03:50 AM
Alana, Babalon156 come in, we've made this for you; We: all the
sites contacted you, are A:A:,' come out of the garden baby,
you'll catch your death in the
fog'.......Babalon000AThotmail.com., If you are ready, come. We
destroy this address in 36 hours. Is this your True will? C:2
23/24 C:2 V:78 C:3 V:45; consider, al, we knock at your door but
once.
Topic RE: Yummy! posted by
babalonuit888 User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 02:24 AM
Well done. By standing brave; lib; al; c:1 V:10 C:1 V:19 C;1 V31
C:1 V:42 C:1 V;63 C:2 V:54 C:3 V:3 C;3 V:75
Soon.
Topic RE: Yummy! posted by
babalon000 User
posted on December 16, 2007 at 01:44 AM
Twit, the goetia messed with you, you announce youself in that
manner, wot d'ya expect?
Topic RE: Yummy! posted by
AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 05:03 AM
Draconis and everyone else I can only apologise Im having
security issues here with AOL email, which I just found out a
few hours ago after I tried to email my nephew, I can only
apologise for whats happening here.
Im hoping to get normality up and runnning again. Yet again I
can only apologise.
Topic tracking cookie
posted by draconae343 User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 03:52 AM
bringeroflight31ATaol.com
By the way, how did you do? Was it worth it? Yes? Funny?
You just attacked The Thelemite Masters. Are you a Magus?
I give up with you people, work it out yourselves, politely,
don't ever bother Me/us again. We ignore this as a lesson in my
stupidity in trying to help.Needless to say, please erase all
customer records I shant be back.
Topic Yummy! posted by
Draconis343 User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 03:30 AM
edited on January 09, 2008 at 04:07 PM
Thanks for the tracking cookie 'bringeroflight31ATaol.com.
First rule when dealing with demons: If you accidentally give it
access to your structure, it must pay you.
Topic What is this? posted
by draconis343 User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 03:14 AM
I attempted to reply to Al Babalon156, a program asked to be
installed, which I allowed. bringeroflight31ATaol.com then
placed a blank email in front of me. I wrote "I do not know you,
what do you want with me? I sent it, to be interrogated as to my
name, server etc.
Can you furnish me/us with explanation as to this?
Sorry Allanah, kindred spirit, I have been , as described.
Somewhat peeved I ponder
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Topic RE: Thanks posted by
pejay User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 06:38 PM
At last a genuine occultists chatroom that will not be subject
to the mental restrictions, bans and deletions that the wannabe
white light plastic brigade has sadly infected on Paganism
today. Good on ya SA!
Topic RE: Thanks posted by
feeorin User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 04:15 PM
hi there,
the forum is fab.... my fiancee and i have been whinging for a
long time that there is a need for something like this! without
feeling judged for have the gumption of having an opinion! WELL
DONE SA.
feeorin xxx
Topic Thanks posted by
Amrit User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 10:03 AM
Thanks Denis, I've waited a long time for this :) I sure that
many people will greatly benefit from this opportunity to access
the vast knowledge that has been accumulated by the staff and
customers of the SA.
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM!
posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 14, 2007 at 02:38 AM
93!!
Holy, Holy, Holy art thou, and blessed be Thy name for ever,
unto whom the Aeons are but the pulsings of thy blood. (Works
great for a Thelemic mantra!).
Re: Liber AL Ch 2 v62?, beautiful, poetry in motion, but my
faves are: Ch1 v3, ch1 v40 (the obvious ones, lol) ch1 v27, ch2
v25, ch3 v37, ch3 v44
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posted by electronicmagician User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 11:54 PM
What?
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM!
posted by Draconae343 User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 10:43 PM
to Al Babalon156: A ka dua, tuf ur biu,bi a'a chefu, dudu nur af
an nuteru.
IAF SABAF!
liber Al: c:2 V:62
Topic RE: New Forum posted
by Puretongue User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 10:54 AM
What a great idea - a proper forum. I look forward to the
debates.
Topic RE: New Forum posted
by Denise User
posted on December 13, 2007 at 08:51 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Thanks for your good wishes Eli, I can assure you that the
Thought Police will not be active in THIS forum! Have you read
any of the old Lamp of Thoth magazines? (
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lotmag.htm ) I would expect to
find a similar candour and a complete absence of the usual
cosmic foo foo which seems to infect most occult forums on the
net. KUTGW Denise
Topic New Forum posted by
Eli Dux User
posted on December 12, 2007 at 09:29 PM
Good luck with the forum Denise. In this world of political
correctness gone mad, I look forward to some spiritual and
cerebral refreshment, pithy comments and new ideas.
Topic RE: WELCOME TO THE FORUM!
posted by AlannahBabalon156 User
posted on December 12, 2007 at 08:56 PM
93 to all!
Great idea on the forum front folks, and I wish you all the
success with it!
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posted by Denise User
posted on December 12, 2007 at 11:47 AM
Do so hope you like and will participate in the debates
herein. Please remember that, as always, the S.A. covers the
widest possible spectrum of the Ancient Wisdom. From Agnostics
to Zen Buddhism and that will be reflected in the scope of this
forum. I know you will allow others the freedom of expression to
represent their views whatever their beliefs are. Enjoy! Denise
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posted on July 16, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Read somewhere years ago that Regardie was asked this and
replied
that they were not. Kenneth Grant also answered the same, that
he
never had any sexual relations with AC. Regardie was only with
AC a few years and AC was in a new marriage at this time, I
forget
the name, Ferrari or something...
Topic Were Alistair Crowley & Israel
Regardie lovers?? posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 16, 2008 at 04:48 PM
I know IR was his secretary for years.........but there are
rumours they were much more than that.
Does anyone know?
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Topic RE: what is the great work??
posted by Paul User
posted on October 06, 2008 at 01:20 PM
Re: Judaim...
I understand that the essence of the Great Work is similar in
many systems/paths, Judaism included, so maybe these views are
not that different?
Also, my view of the Great Work is more akin to uncovering what
is already there, by going beyond illusory concepts (i.e.
realising that there is very little if anything that is
permanent in the individual (Buddhist view)) and realising
consciously the reality of who we are. :)
Paul
Topic RE: what is the great work??
posted by LEYA User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:51 PM
edited on October 07, 2008 at 09:28 AM
...how is this different to say, Judaism, that also speaks of
purifying oneself through various incarnations in order to
become pure and God-like??
[Infoburst: Can you be a little more forthcoming Leyla? Rattling
off staccatto questions without telling us why you want to know
the answers may not help you get them. Marabas says The Great
Work is the ultimate aim of all Mystics and is the attempt to
put one's whole life into refining the Self so that the
Conscious Mind can contact and liberate the Soul. It is the very
best part of humanity and is something we ALL have inside us .
It is the kernel of Conscience and the root of all Ethics. ALL
mystical paths have the same aim, whatever religious dogma
overlays them. To start learning how to contact your inner self
and develop this faculty you should use Marabas's
Man Know Thyself Pathworking CD P187CD (more details here ) )
which has helped many thousands of people along the path. BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: what is the great work??
posted by Paul User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 01:32 PM
I have different path but in essence agree with 888.
My aim is to consciously realise my innate divinity. This
implies: 1) self-knowledge = knowing who/what I really and
who/what I am not; 2) unity with All, 3) achieving internal
detachment to realise this.
Topic The Great Work.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Dear Leya, Hannah, and other fellow. Three requests-
I took an oath, to aid my fellow aspirant, if asked: I shall,
as,
and when, able. I am not a natural Teacher. This subject must be
expressed carefully. I, right now, however, MUST work, hard and
fast. I shall return, and try a basic explanation.
My will is to unite with Godhead, Asar-un Nefer:- Myself made
perfect, my true innermost will: Godhead.
If you will, consider that, and my oath, as stated above.
In essence, that is The Great Work-Yet it deserves a far more
exstensive explanation.
I'll be back!
Serenity-One<>All
888
Topic what is the great work??
posted by leya User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 02:32 PM
opinions please.........
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Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by endor mocata User
posted on March 21, 2009 at 11:13 PM
I think anonymous that you are confusing the Great Rite which is
the initiation of the third degree in modern witchcraft with the
Great Work which is from mystical alchemy its process is
conveyed by the magical word V.I.T.R.I.O.L which is the old name
for h2so4 sulphuric acid which in old times was called oil of
vitriol. In latin that is an abbreviation for VISITA INTERIORA
TERRAE RECTFICANDO INVENIES OCCULTUM LAPIDEM which translated as
visit the interior parts of the earth throught rectifications
shalt though find the hidden stone: it is a psychological
process of bringing together to seemingly incompatable levels to
acheive an altered state of consiousness which is the result of
a complete integration of otherwise disperate and conflicting
aspects of ones nature and elimination of the dross and
superflous the result being one that knows his true way and
lives by the inner voice of his or her deeper self.
Topic WHAT IS THE GREAT WORK??
posted by hannah User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 09:52 AM
WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS & EXPERIENCES
Topic Cause-Effect. posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 29, 2008 at 05:37 PM
Greetings All,
Hi Hannah, if you will, check out my alias, on live search, a
windows search engine.
Yep, there are refernces to music, and two entries for S.A.
Forum, with your words, concluding:lhp/rhp. See how many
languages I/we are are in!
I dedicate 'It's about to happen' by Siouxsie, to All at S.A.-
And all SAOS!
"It's about to happen, I don't know how,
it's about to happen, in the here, and now"
That song was added to 'my' library, by a person with the same
name as a European Entity I met about 20 years ago. Now a Witch!
This transcends 'Reason.' The idea is now real: some good music,
and a good intro. to The S.A.
Practical Magick Hannah, spread worldwide!
888
Topic RE: Lessons. posted
by HANNAH User
posted on September 18, 2008 at 04:59 PM
YES I DID FEEL A BIT BULLIED.............
BUT THANKS TO ALL ESPECIALLY BABALONUIT888 AS I AM NOW LEARNING
A LOT !!
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by Babalonuit888. User
posted on September 04, 2008 at 01:34 AM
Hi Anon.
With respect, could you please, as Denise has asked previously,
possibly choose an alias, a 'tag' for yourself? You're still
totally anon. , but, y'see, it gets very confusing with 'anons'
posting, those who give replies might think they're talking to
some one else.
Also, (I've gotten over it) it's kind of like talking to a guy
with a hood on, not comfortable. Hope you get my point.
Anything, e.g. if you don't like cats, spell it backwards: Stac-
Stack? Static? Stacey? See? Bob's your uncle, everybodys happy!
Best Wishes.
Topic RE: S.A Academy.
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Yes Babalonuit, i think Rolf and Anon have followed Hannahs tune
perfectly. Its been helpful learning to answer these types of
questions.
Smiles
Ricenpeas
Topic S.A Academy. posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 07:49 PM
Hi, Wow!, The Forum's evolving into a college of The Sacred
Arts!
As said, you seem best suited to answer, Rice, I, and others
will
no doubt, fill in any blanks, if/as needed.
Best Wishes, One and All.
'The One desires The Many, as The Many, desire The One.'
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 07:15 PM
Yes, its more intense as you hold back the ejaculation and swim
in the bliss that prolonged sex produces.
Satisfaction is 1 of the puposes. It can also be used for
Invocation, healing, casting spells and much more. Im sure the
S.A. have a book on Tantra to teach you some techniques to get
started. The rest comes as you discover the working of Magick.
You would be best starting a new thread for the "What is the
great work" question.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by Anonymous User
posted on September 03, 2008 at 05:07 PM
WHAT EXACTLY IS THE GREAT WORK??
SURELY IT IS JUST FOR SEXUAL ENTERTAINMENT AND SATISFACTION??
HOW IS IT DIFFERENT FROM NORMAL SEX?? MORE INTENSE? BETTER?
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Dear Rolf,
The purpose is to contribute to The Great Work.
Best Wishes.
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Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 06:58 PM
Hi Hannah, wot a kufufle. You learnt to write your questions
more fully and Ricenpeas learnt to say "wot do you mean?". We
both come out the Wiser.
Thanks
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 06:46 PM
Rolf, as Magicians we are Scientist as well as Artist.
Is Sex Magick just entertainment? No everything has purpose.
Is it dangerous? Can be, this is why we study and practice to
develope the skill to controll it.
All i can do is clear up superstition here Rolf as it helps
no-one. I cant go into the details of Sex Magick (exept for
gnosis) as i have not yet the experience.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by Rolf User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 05:52 PM
edited on September 05, 2008 at 11:06 AM
...........but isn't sex magick VERY VERY dangerous??
An evil spirit/ entity could feed off your energy and attach
itself to you??
Why would you practice it anyway?? for WHAT PURPOSE EXACTLY?? or
is it just "entertainment?"
[infoburst: No moralistic self-righteousness in this forum Rolf,
ALL of life is Dangerous and even the simplest and clearest
things can be the MOST dangerous depending on the time and
place. You are no more likely to move into harmŽs way by
researching Sex Magic than you are in attempting to cross a busy
road. Marabas says it is vital that free-thinkers release
themselves from the cupidity of Xist thinking. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by HANNAH User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 05:47 PM
Hi........Hannah here...........
thank you VERY much for your support and helpful answers.
I understand that I am not as advanced/clever as others but I am
here to learn from you guys and I did feel a bit
bullied.........
I am a sincere seeker and am grateful for any insights advice
you can offer me.
All the best to you.........
H
Topic Man or mouse? posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 05:27 PM
Hi Man, I like your answer.
Respect and sincere best wishes to you Paul.
Topic RE: Lessons. posted
by Paul User
posted on September 01, 2008 at 07:59 AM
Hi Babalonnuit888
Smug xtian? Proud LHPer might be more accurate. :) Nothing wrong
with smugnees or pride in my book.
Maybe I will be an Adept, maybe not. Depends on a lot of things.
As for being a bully. Firstly I don't think I have bullied
Hannah. I'd say (maybe I am biased of course!) that I have given
her some informative answers. Agreeing with Rice may have come
across as ganging up on Hannah, but so what? Isn't Hannah a big
girl? She is asking about LHP and Sex Magick, not tea cakes for
a Christian Church Fair! :)
Regards to all
Paul
Topic Sex Magick. posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 06:26 PM
The Tantric/Thelemic system of sex magick, is indeed, a
carefully composed manipulation of natural forces.
It is only reccomended for adepts at one-pointed concentration,
5-7 years practice is desirable.
The full Ritual releases vast energies.
The fine points are therefore explained by The Guru to Chela,
when the time is right: One to One.
That's the best we can do, in public.
Very Best Wishes in all your endeavours.
Topic Lessons. posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 06:17 PM
Hi Paul, hope you're well.
Of course, You've every chance of Adepthood.
I barked at you, because you were starting to sound as smug as
an xstian!
Best Wishes.
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 04:15 PM
Ahh Babalon888, you know i dont do medals and titles. I place
resoursefulness over regelia. Your right. I could have handled
it better and yep, lesson learnt. Easy on Paul there. dont fall
in to the same trap as i did.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 31, 2008 at 03:57 PM
Dear Hannah, Hi, hope you're well.
It seems that your query was emoted by "Wisdom says" Which is,
in fact, an extract from my diary, illustrating the viewpoint of
the 'Freed man'. I'm spending a lot of time in seclusion, just
back to restock supplies, off again Tues?
The two children who bullied you aren't adeptii, their appalling
display was, therefore, entirely inexscusable.
Rice n peas has just realised how to obtain books by magick. I
shall send a medal immediately.
Here's a question for Paul to bully me about:- Do you,
personally, think you have any chance of achieving Adepthood in
your lifetime? I don't.
Hannah, if you glance at Thelema-Wikepedia Pt. 2.2-The True
Will, you may clarify your understanding somewhat.
Time to do other stuff, Best Wishes Hannah.
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Topic RE: My Karma Ran Over Your Dogma
posted by Paul User
posted on August 29, 2008 at 07:44 AM
edited on August 29, 2008 at 09:33 AM
Yeah you are spot on Rice :) I did wonder if I should shut up
and let her get on with it!
I think the onus is on you now Hannah!
Regards
[Infoburst: Oi! you two, stop ganging up on Hannah. If you read
across the threads I think you will find that her question was
to try to clarify conflicting ideas about Tantric sex magic and
the 20th century use of the term LHP in reference to
Neo-Satanism.
Hannah, I suggest your contributions should be a little more
detailed and expansive; asking the right question is important
if you want the right answer - forum members will always do
their best for you in true fraternal spirit but you have to give
them something more than a couple of sentences to work on. BB
Denise W.
Topic My Karma Ran Over Your Dogma
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 29, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Ive learnt from your posts myself Paul. I read them until i felt
i understood them along with all the others that have
contributed to this thread. You probably have more years in
study than i have months but something Im sure we can both agree
on is "you get out more than you put in". If Hannah is not gonna
read your previous post on this subject then maybe your not
helping by reiterating with niceness. Directing her to the OXEPs
puts the responsability back to her which is more fitting for
this thread, right?
Respects
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA
posted by Paul User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 08:29 PM
Hi R'
I know what you mean. When I replied to Hanna, I was thinking
back to when I was a novice and how much learning and reading,
pondering, experience etc was needed before I gradually
understood things. I don't know Hannah from Lilith (!) I just
thought if I gave her some more info she might get to understand
this subject a little better... OEXPs of course will do similar.
As it is, I figure, all the answers she is receiving will give
her insights into the LHP (and LHP practitioners).
I am no Sex Magician, nor do I claim to be an Adept. :) I just
figured pointers may be of use...
Regards
Topic RE: MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Pal. If Hannah had opened with that question I still would of
pointed her in the same direction but, yes, i would have been
milder. As was, she brought the whole thread down a level by
either not reading or not thinking about what had already been
written. Give me something to respect and i respect it. More
importantly than my tone is the OEXPs i recomended which will
more than answer her questions.
P.S. I dont have the skill to explain the whats and hows of Sex
Magick yet. I definatly would not attempt it in a single thread
to someone who follows the dictionary version of "ego". My bad.
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by Paul User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 05:49 PM
edited on August 29, 2008 at 09:20 AM
Hi Hannah Yes the LHP is selfish. DL (Dark Lily)described it
quite aptly as 'balanced selfishness': if you are too selfLESS
you are focusing on healing and helping everyone else and so are
not actually focused on your own progress. But, you could be
imbalanced and so focus on yourself so much that your partner,
kids, friends , etc will leave be left out etc. So the answer is
selfish within reason.
The Church of Satan focuses on the celebration of the ego. The
CoS Satanist uses magic/ritual/psychodrama to bring forth energy
that is directed to fulfil the Satanists desires. Ths is ego
fulfilment. There is nothing wrong with fulfilling ones desires.
The watchword is responsibility. This is a facet of an Adept. As
DL (Dark Lilys) Adept put it (paraphrased), "the further you
progress the more your responsibility." So, the LHP doesn't
become a do what you want excuse for indulgence in anything and
everything. Rather, it is a method(s) to go beyond opposites by
seeing beyond the appearance of good and evil as socialisation
and society portray those over used terms. A very basic example
of this: you are driving along a road and someone is trying to
pull out, you slow down and let them do so. Now, a little
further up the road, the car in front is hit by a bus and the
driver is killed. If you hadn't let the car pull out in front of
you, the driver would still be alive... What is good or evil in
this situation? I can't answer about Tantra really as I don't
know much about sex magick. The info I can share is:
1) Sex accesses the deeper areas of the mind, certainly in my
own experience I feel my astral body come into consciousness
when I orgasm.
2) An important part of the Dark Lily teaching is to understand
ones sexual inclinations and allow them expression (excluding
criminal acts of course) without feeling guilty or needing to
explain your sexuality to people who are too socialised to see
beyond. Hope this helps. :)
All the best, Paul
Topic RE: MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA
posted by pal User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 05:06 PM
well dearie......"egotistical" is in the dictionary......IT DOES
EXIST.........so rather than be superior, why don't you just
answer the Tantra question.......and also......
what is the point of sex magick exactly? Is it just to raise
energy?
Topic MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 03:12 PM
edited on August 29, 2008 at 09:03 AM
Hi Hannah.
Asking if the Left path is "egotistical", "selfish" or "evil",
shows a real lack of understanding/experience of life. The S.A.
does some lessons to start you off if you are really interested.
Black Magick & Initiation {OEXP027}-
False Origins of Wicca- Morality, Karma and Retribution
(OEXP069}
and a few more
if you look in the OEXPs list on this site.
Until you can get beyond phrases like "egotistical", giving a
short explination of Tantra might be a bit difficult.
Best of Luck
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: LHP/RHP. posted
by hannah User
posted on August 28, 2008 at 12:47 PM
........so would you say the LHP is
egotistical....selfish.....or even evil?? Is it do what thou
wilt, even when it harm some?? as all is "good"...........
What exactly is tantric sex magick and how is it achieved??
Topic LHP/RHP. posted by
Babalonuit888 User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Wisdom says: " As the last/first thought of The Adept is 'I Am
One', so, the reconciliation of opposites is as; 'The roughness
of smooth, the shout that is a whisper, the infinitely large and
the infinitely small, at the same time' Then comes transcendance
unto Brahmahood. These are generalisations of cosmic truths,
experienced as one's mind interprets. After the second death,
whilst living, the Adept enters the Abyss, the womb of Babalon,
under the night of Pan, the great N.O.X. He gestates and emerges
above the abyss, at
sphere 3, the supernal region. There, for a thing to exist, it
must contain its own complimentary opposite within itself.
'Good' and 'Evil' are seen as convenient labels to tag onto
various phenomena that exist below the abyss. However, in the
long climb to reach this ledge on the mountain, one must face
not only one's own doubts etc. but stupendous bigotry; Ah well,
eventually, I could no longer distinguish between 'good' and
'evil' on the Astral planes, all seems to be facets of myself,
as chemicals in a variety of combinations. So I can stroll with
a God and a Demon in equanamity, how nice for me. Frankly, I
work with gratitude to those who liberated me, that others may
be released from bondage.
May All attain."
What is to come, has not yet been revealed, yet in my opinion,
with the emergance of the web, 'We've never had it so good',
lets
make the best of what we've got, and illumine the whole planet!
Love under will, Dru.
Topic Paths posted by John
W. User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 10:03 AM
edited on August 29, 2008 at 09:00 AM
So what methods might be considered LHP ? Tantra/Eastern often
sex based methods, Trials and ordeals, confronting the inner
mind,
fears/demons/compulsions and the like, then Satanism and the
like
which are based on catharsis, heresy, liberation, so there is a
common theme of exploring often taboo areas and gaining
liberation.
I think the labels RHP/LHP are restrictive and only of use to
a beginner to help them isolate methods. Eventually the
realisation
sets in that there are no RHP/LHP. It is a false distinction,
and
also what any adept or teacher may say cannot be simply
'believed'
or that would be the antithesis of 'LHP'. 'Man Know Thyself' is
perhaps the only true 'path' which would be more of a middle
way,
balance/equilibrium.
Best regards, John.
[Infoburst: Well said John. Marabas's axiom puts it more
succinctly. 'The true meaning of anything always resides in its
opposite.' Humans are paradoxical beings, often driven by hidden
reflexes which are veiled from us because of the indoctrination
into a dualistic universe by Xists who control the educational
system. It is the adepts job to break that mould and liberate
the soul's true potential. How he /she does it is a choice ruled
by their own nature because only they know their own inner
demons. Marabas sometimes refers to this procedure as
Anathematic Magic in order to distinguish it from the rather too
ubiquitous misuse of the term 'Left Hand Path' which is commonly
applied to anything considered 'evil' in the world of duality.
Initiates should study Crowley's Liber Samekh for a simple but
effective method of Anathematic Magic. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: LHP posted by
Paul User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 07:47 AM
I think the LHP is a method that takes you beyond duality, just
as the right hand path is. The Adepts from the Society of Dark
Lily and the Order of Nine Angles (the two groups I was most
involved with) all said that the goal is to go beyond
opposites/duality. In fact the Adept of DL said that there was
no difference between the RHP and LHP (except in ways that do
not matter).
The LHP is NOT about being evil and stuck in duality, maybe I
did not word it to sound thus :) but, in my experience of the
LHP, the purpose is, exactly as you say to go beyond opposites.
:)
Regards
Paul
Topic LHP posted by
Missplacedself User
posted on August 27, 2008 at 12:34 AM
I consider it rather revealing t5hat people still cling to
duality of thinking n Outmodeded models of reality n still
nothing new. Perhaps people should try lao Tzu Up douwn left
right creat diffine each other. Or why live in some created
reality as given by others. BE
Topic lhp posted by nome
User
posted on August 05, 2008 at 11:18 PM
To expand upon Marabus and Paul's comments; The Bhuddist
Mahayana,
or 'Great school' of thought, is the path of the celibate
ascetic monk, The Yellow hats, contrasting with the Nihayana, or
'little school' of thought, The red hats. The red hats are
Tantric Magicians, the yellow, classic mystics. Illustration:
When communist Russia fell, Eastern Russia, traditionally
Bhuddist, saw the return of wandering Bhuddist Monks. However,
their behaviour as red hats shocked them; for, not only do they
practise sex magick, but indulge in drunken-ness etc. exploring
all avenues of human nature, as: To overcome the
enemy,(attraction and repulsion) one must first know the enemy.
As a Tantric in the late 70's, one was dismayed to find that
contact pages, occult girl/boy, invariably stated 'no lhp.'
It seemed that people believed that sex magic alone, (probably
not aware of other lhp practices) made one an 'evil' person.
This made
things awkward, until around the time 'Sting', the singer,
proudly announced He could do Tantric sex for hours, and the
mass seemed to think, ' oh, it's all right, Sting does it.' That
seems absurd;
perhaps there were far deeper reasons as to the change in
attitude, but chronologically, thats what happened.
Does any one know of other reasons why lhp sex magick became
'o.k.' seemingly overnight?
Do you know Nephtys, Paul? I relate to a song: 'Star gaze with
me, in the dark side they'll see, up in the galaxy, staring
down, on Me.' Night-night All.
Topic RE: WHAT IS THE "LEFT HAND PATH" ??
posted by Paul User
posted on July 24, 2008 at 07:48 AM
I think LHP Practitioners will answer your question in a number
of ways.
Some of the LHP principles that I follow:
Think for yourself. DO NOT believe, but seek TO KNOW. Do not
worship anything or anyone, seek to become a God (Adept), become
one with Nature and the Cosmos, Know Yourself, Do Not React, be
true to Yourself, indulge in your desires but with
RESPONSIBILITY.
Also, we examine 'evil' and 'darkness', not as an ego
indulgence, but as an attempt to go beyond socialisation and the
unconscious programming of society. Thus, the infamous Black
Mass (which has a number of forms) may serve as a
de-conditioning ritual, likely to work better for those that
have been raised in a Christian worldview than pagans or Hindus
etc though it can be adapted for other religious systems (there
was a Turkish Satanic group in the 1980's that performed an
Islamic Black Mass).
When I was heavily involved in the Sinister Path, much of my
spare time was outside alone in the woods, being there,
connecting with nature, sometimes performing rites, sometimes
just walking, be it at night or during the day. This served as a
prelude to a 40 day retreat into nature.
I think the LHP is one of exploration beyond limitations, it has
multiple forms and is definately worth exploring if the
individual can go beyond the first trial, which is seeing beyond
its dark persona...
Hope this helps, it's all my opinion. S.A. and other
Occultists/Wyrdos etc may disagree... :)
Topic RE: WHAT IS THE "LEFT HAND PATH" ??
posted by Karen User
posted on July 19, 2008 at 04:25 AM
Superstitions and prejudice against left-handed people continued
well into the 20th century, at least in some places. My
Norwegian grandfather (1902-1988) was lefthanded, and was beaten
at school in Norway for writing with his left hand. He was
forced to learn to write with his non-dominant right hand, for
whatever reason. Apparently, his was not an isolated example
either. I've heard that lefthanded people were killed a few
centuries back, especially for making the sign of the cross with
the left hand while praying or in church--they were just doing
the gestures in the natural way for them, but some church leader
came up with the notion that crossing oneself with the left hand
was a form of "devil worship." Sigh...I've always figured left
and right were just two sides of a symmetrical whole...
Topic WHAT IS THE "LEFT HAND PATH" ??
posted by Hannah User
posted on July 18, 2008 at 11:11 AM
edited on September 22, 2009 at 08:47 AM
I READ ABOUT THIS EVERYWHERE AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT ACTUALLY
MEANS??!
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE FROM A RIGHT HAND PATH?
[infoburst: ThereŽs a lot of self-righteous emotional moralising
attached to this term stemming from superstitions concerning
left-handed people (i.e. crooked things) and because of this the
term has gained popularity to define someone who is on a Satanic
or Dark path, however technically Marabas teaches that it is
originally drawn from Tantric Yoga practices where the Yogini
always sat at the Left Hand of the Yogi. In European magic it
comes from the ancient Greek world where diviners would look
into the sky for omens and anything approaching from the right
was considered fortuitous and anything from the left would be
seen as ominous. The Romans continued this tradition and their
word for 'left' (Sinisto) produced our modern word Sinister.
If you truly want to understand about Black Magic then read
Marabas's OEXP027 Black Magic and Initiation. BB Denise W
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Topic Psychosis posted by
Skryer User
posted on May 01, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Some western thinkers have started believing in ghosts,
possession
etc., as causing abnormal behaviour as the various therapies
employed by neuro surgeons cannot be the answer to a fight
against insanity.
According to ancient thought, whatever by the modern jargon -
schizophrenia, catatonia, dissocation, paranoia, reactive and
endogenous depression, melancholia, maniac depressive psychosis
-
insanity is caused not only by organic factors but also by
'spirits'
or disincarnate beings....."
Topic RE: What is the occult explanation for
psychosis? posted by Denise W User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Well Hairy Trotter, It would help if contributors were clear
about the terminology before asking a question! The medical
profession are themselves confused about a definitive
explanation of what Schizophrenia is. Popularly the stereotype
is a patient who has two different personalities residing within
him/her but in fact the term was originally coined to
distinguish between the disabled personality of a person who was
suffering a manic depressive episode and his healthy personality
before and after the episode. The affects of Schizophrenia
result from an inability of the emotional and the intellectual
personality to co-exist harmoniously and brain-storms occur
across the right and left hemispheres which cause a confusion of
sensory input and an inability to function which can lead to
hospitalisation. The illness is cyclic and complete recoveries
can be made periodically with occasional relapses. Anciently,
people who were obviously suffering from schizophrenia were
treated as though they were possessed and because the illness is
periodic such treatment seemed curative but other episodes would
occur before long. The general opinion is that there is no
'cure' for Schizophrenia but it can be lived with. Some
magicians have experimented with the Goetia because that system
sees the goetic spirits as compartments of the human brain -
thus by gaining control over the spirits, one also controls the
responses of the brain itself. Thisi s a purely mechanistic
theory; we are not suggesting that spirits actually inhabit the
brain, just that by using the goetic system one can
compartmentise and obtain control over the workings of the
brain. Naturally this is not to be recommended to anyone who
suffers from schizophrenia for obvious reasons - it may very
well bring on a cyclic attack in those who are very susceptible.
Ultimately, all hermetic magical systems safely and
progressively build up willed control of the mind/brain during
training.
Topic RE: What is the occult explanation for
psychosis? posted by Hairy Trotter User
posted on April 27, 2008 at 02:17 AM
Hi
I was really referring to conditions such as schizophrenia where
sufferer's have horrific symptoms such as paranoia and crippling
anxiety to the point where they are hospitalized. Sufferer's
very often have delusions involving very biblical imagery, in
fact quite a lot of them refer to their illness as some kind of
spiritual malaise.
I was wondering if this could be the case since medical science
seems to hold too few answers on this one?
Thank you for the reply's
Topic RE: What is the occult explanation for
psychosis? posted by Sandygrounds User
posted on April 26, 2008 at 09:28 PM
I often see such things as a time when the psychic censor/filter
(an apparatus within that protects one from too much psychic
input) is temporarily disabled. This permits one to access
realms etc that are not normally seen/experienced in mundane
reality. Such levels can be accessed in daily life I feel by the
musical or even artistic talents that run through us or even
when being enchanted by the melody of say a cock chaffinch in
secluded woodland.
Does that make me, or Van Gogh perhaps, really insane?
Topic RE: What is the occult explanation for
psychosis? posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 23, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Marabas says that the clinical definiton of psychosis is:
'failing to distinguish between fact and fantasy due to a
mis-apprehension and mis-interpretation of the nature of
reality'
The experience of psychic phenomena would obviously come under
this banner from the point of view of medical science. A person
is psychotic when they believe that a fantasy experience was
reality. E.G. If someone asserts that they ARE Napoleon
Bonaparte they are psychotic, if they say they DREAMED of being
Napoleon then they are not psychotic because they have
distinguished between fantasy and 'reality'. Of course this very
much depends on one's 'window of normality' . Suggestions that
psychoses are caused by possession, bad karma, or a 'bad soul'
are immature and ignorant excuses. Everyone is by degree
susceptible to Psychotic episodes. It becomes a problem when one
cannot distinguish between the physical world and the spiritual
worlds. Each magical path has an explanation appropriate to it's
nature but there is no cohesive agreement between all paths.
Psychotic states pose many problems, for medical science and for
occultism. If I conjour a discarnate entity with which I
converse, am I psychotic at that point even though I have
ordered and predicted the event? When I dissolve the circle and
return to normal consciousness am I any the less psychotic for
knowing that I am back in reality? If several people see the
same ghost are they all psychotic if they maintain afterwards
that it was real? In medical terms the indication of psychoses
is when the sufferer loses the ability to function rationally in
the physical world to such a degree that he may become a danger
to himself and others. We can all be psychotic under certain
circumstances and being a little psychotic does not make us all
chronically mentally ill. On the other hand anyone who has lost
his centre of being so much that he cannot function obviously
needs help. BB Denise W.
Topic What is the occult explanation for
psychosis? posted by Hairy Trotter User
posted on April 23, 2008 at 02:21 PM
edited on April 23, 2008 at 02:43 PM
Hi
As someone who has this problem "in the family" I've always
wondered if Magick has both an explanation and a solution to
this state of mind? I've read books that claim its caused by
possession, obsession, bad karma, ill judgment or just a plain
"bad soul".Any info would be very welcome. Thanks
[INFOBURST: Welcome Hairy Trotter; I have transferred your post
from Beginners Please to this new thread as being more
appropriate. PLEASE TAKE NOTE: The SAEF is not the place for
medical advice. Anything anyone tells you in this column is
simply their own opinion and should be treated as such. BB
Denise W. ]
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Topic ^^b posted by
Bagenholt User
posted on January 16, 2010 at 12:56 AM
edited on January 19, 2010 at 09:36 AM
I've read your reply (above) over and over nearly turning into a
chant in my mind but though very informative it still feels as
empty as when I first read it. I know I'm meant to connect with
it but the only thing I can see is 'moths to the flame' image
flapping in my mind. Am I only meant to understand the
importance of the journey when I'm half way down the road? I
study, and I let the hunger for it take over me (when it comes
over me), but I'm always left with a bigger hole after I'm burnt
out after a few months. More questions and more doubts. I don't
know Denise I suppose I should be asking for your help because
the more I practice the further away it gets and when I strip
away all the ego involved it just loses all it's meaning. What
should I do? Would a reading be worth my time? I've been playing
with the idea for over a year now.
[INFOBURST: Sounds like you may be going through a Dark Night of
The Soul experience. This is far too personal to air here and
yes I would advise
a consultation with Marabas about it . It is true that perhaps
90 of what passes for occultism on the internet and in headshops
is time-wasting and can mislead a true seeker. Marabas calls
this vapidity the worst kind of black magic because it
inadvertently interferes with another's true will. That is why
having access to an adept who will tell it like it is, is SO
important. We have consistently decried the pappy-handed New Age
'occult hobbyists' but the way is the work and people will come
to see what's what in time.
BB DeniseW]
Topic What is the purpose of Ritual?
posted by Bagenholt User
posted on December 24, 2009 at 03:58 PM
edited on December 30, 2009 at 11:47 AM
If it is to attain ones desires, then in the end, what should
our desire be? To attain 'oblivion'?
[Infoburst: You are perhaps confusing ambition with method.
Marabas teaches that the aim or ambition of The Great Work is to
obtain Magical Memory and perceive one's place in the universe
without time and space, recovering knowledge and experiences
from other incarnations which perfect the soul in the process
and thence to unite with godhead (or return to source). It has
nothing to do with oblivion. The rites of magick are tried and
tested methods to refine and focus the body and mind to achieve
this aim and this is referred to as High Magick. Low magic (i.e.
magick for results)is the use of magical procedures to short-cut
or otherwise enable the pursuit of the Great Work which, in
those who are non-initiated gravitate to short-term
materialistic objectives. There is nothing wrong with
materialism at the beginning and Marabas holds that most people
who have eventually become aware and illuminated were drawn to
using magic for materialistic purposes to start with. BB Denise
W.]
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Topic RE: Answering the phone
posted by Anonymous User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Ahhh Babalon it was just one of those thing. Im sure it wont be
the last time either. You gave me a kick on the "Left Hand"
thread. I took your kick as this, "grow up Ricenpeas your a
Magician now, turn it into Gold" and so I did my best.
A change is as good as a rest and vise-versa.
Wink
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: Answering the phone
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 02:44 AM
Unbelievable. I've read your 'anon' wormlike bleating, and ask:-
Why on earth should any emails be replied to other than "Item =
£xxx? Do you think that Marabus owes you spiritual service?
Satan says,-" See ya later" You selfish, ungrateful, ignorant,
delicious happy meals on legs. Not all Adeptii are compasionate.
You have no idea what your being given. Now I look at your
comments, god knows what the deleted ones were, I wonder, why
bother with ----- Thusly, I must, depart, or cause
unpleasantness.
You, Denise, have spiritual contact, I must physically depart.
For the greater good.
Topic Retirement. posted
by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 16, 2008 at 01:06 AM
Dear Denise,
It is for the best that I retire, as I grow increasingly annoyed
at attitudes such as described by you.
I believe you caught an Astral glimpse of a facet of me, very
recently. If so, you'll know I'm well intentioned, pleasant
even.
I don't want to unleash the furies again, and some idiots here
might evoke them.
I must, seriously retire, though I'll be with you in spirit.
Best wishes, YITGW. NEMO.
Topic Bhoddisattvic oath.
posted by Babalonuit888 User
posted on September 12, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Greetings All,
Hi Denise, sympathies with your recent dissapointment. Chin up!
I've been composing rituals; didn't notice the posts you
discuss.
When the cats away, the shells will play merry hell, apparently!
The Yorkshireman has a good heart. I raised power for my leap,
in London, and Ilkley. Pleasant people in Yorkshire, Hell in
London.
The Highest local Magican, was raised by The New Kings Rd.
studio, where The Master Therion created Lion-Serpents, that
would create vehicles for officers, providing a willing spirit
accepted the incarnation. These officers, are to guide the New
Aeon energies into place. I consider Frater Marabus to be such a
being, an officer, in Thelemic terminology. It was known that
great spirits would incarnate around the Aeonic change, how long
for? Locally, 'He who is to be nemo after him, was guided to the
local Master by the Gods, in the 70's, as The master then, had
recieved instruction from The Master Therion. Yet, no suitable
chela has been appointed, though the Gods do direct other
Magickal people to
him. It may be, that the spate of officers is brief. (For his
remaining time on Earth is limited, little time to instruct
left.)
Whatever, for those who chose to incarnate as mentioned, when
their work is done, they know, where they go, what they do next.
It all works out in the end.
From 'nome', an appreciative friend, and proud S.A.O.S. member.
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posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on September 11, 2008 at 06:00 PM
CONTINUED - PART THREE.........
Lastly, I am absolutely appalled to find people using this
forum, provided for free by
Marabas specifically to help others towards their true will,
hi-jacked by a handful of
people who think they have had a raw deal. Marabas has been
attacked and criticised by
Xists for decades and subjected to real risk simply for daring
to provide GENUINE pathways
to occultism for true seekers and what do we find here? We see
'those of our own' indulging in
assinine comments and inaccurate value judgements about whether
the S.A. has come up to
expectations for them when they aught to be astonishingly
grateful that he still continues his work. I often wonder why he
bothers to do so and what these people will do when he finally
'retires'. They will undoubtedly then realise just what they
have missed and end up paying ridiculous sums for stuff they
could buy today for a tenner!
YITGW: Denise W.
Topic RE: When Do You Answer The Phone?
posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on September 11, 2008 at 05:57 PM
CONTINUED PART TWO....................
Before you take umbrage carefully consider the following
criteria:
(1) Every occult supplier has an opinion but none of their
opinions have stood the test of time for over three decade and
satisfied over 70,000 regular customers - however you are always
free to go and buy from them.
(2)There are people QUEUEING UP to pay Marabas 250.00 for a
consultation. Would YOU give up your income to help people for
free like Marabas does?
(3) Marabas often has to deal with people at the end of their
tether who have been failed by others (the doctors, the police,
the psychiatrists, the churchmen, etc.) and who come to him as a
last resort before committing suicide. He helps them for free,
quickly and usually sets them on the path to recovery. Other
people come to him as a last resort when they have terminal
illnesses and similar crucial situations. Compared with these
the vast majority of other enquiries about love, money, power
etc will obviously have to wait!
(4) Thirty years experience shows that the kind of people who
make the biggest fuss about not getting Marabas's attention are
usually those people who are most ignorant about what Marabas
does and what he has achieved. A few are under the errorful
impression that his his oath to help all those in genuine need
also means he is silly enough to have his time wasted by people
who think so much of themselves that they want to force him to
reinvent the wheel for them just because they believe they are
special; instead of reflecting on the fact that most of their
questions, queries and needs are not unique and have already
been answered before by Marabas during the past 30 years in his
voluminous OEXPs, books and audio-recordings. Such people are
often just too lazy or too unvisionary to bother to check the
lists / website and save everyone some time.
Topic RE: When Do You Answer The Phone?
posted by Denise W. User
posted on September 11, 2008 at 05:50 PM
Children, Children! We go away for a week and just look how you
all behave! There were a number of dishonourable insinuations
about the intent of the S.A. on this thread and though I do try
to keep a balance and allow free-speech when moderating this
forum there is absolutey no way I am going to let ignorant
people with a (very) partial view
of the work of the S.A. to vent their spleen and insult
Marabas's work; so their comments
have been deleted. The vast majority of our clients are
absolutely thrilled and delighted
with the service we give but we deal with thousands of people
and can't always get it right
so if YOU have a complaint then get in touch with me direct on
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk and I will see to
it.
Always bear the following things in mind:
Many replies we send are kicked back by the customers system,
either because of a too
tightly set spam filter, because their quota is overloaded or
because of other reasons such
as servers killing their email address through lack of use. We
cannot and do not follow up
rejected emails. If you don't get an answer by email, try one of
our other email addresses
or pick up the bloody phone! (011x x451309).
CONTINUED IN NEXT MESSAGE>>>>
Topic RE: Answering the phone
posted by T User
posted on September 11, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Hi Anon, I do sympathise with you as I have waited a while for a
reply with my own problems but slating the SA on here will not
make them rush to help you any quicker. Maybe they are teaching
you that patience is an important part of magic. In their
defence I must say that even though I have waited a while I have
phoned in that time and been given advice although not by M
himself of course but still helpful advice all the same. Do not
give up just because you are impatient. I know this is easier
said that done but stick with it and the SA. I wasted money on
other people before I found them but it cost me more than just
money by trusting others.
Topic RE: Answering the phone
posted by Anon User
posted on September 07, 2008 at 09:37 AM
What about email enquiries? Are there any of you that have
emailed and NEVER had a reply? It has happened to me twice and
to a friend as well. When my friend complained she was told the
SA deal with the emails in order of priority so therefore was
they saying her problem was not so important as other peoples?
She didn't think that was the case! When this happens it makes
one lose faith in not only magic (when you have taken advice and
not got the desired result) but also the SA as you feel let down
in your hour of need. My friend has come to the conclusion that
magic only exsists in Harry Potter films and has gone back to
the view that anyone who believes in it needs to see a shrink.
Topic Answering the phone
posted by Denise User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 02:33 PM
Well actually Charlotte we really DO answer the phone when we
can but as we assist over 70,000 souls here we are usually
pulled out of the place most of the time hence cannot always get
to the phone. There won't be anyone to answer the phone out of
office hours of course but in that case there will be an
answering facility on the phone for you to leave your message or
enquiry or order and we will action it as soon as we return to
work. Best thing to do during the day is to just keep trying -
someone will answer sooner or later. Alternatively, if you don't
like leaving a message then you can always email me at the
address given here.
All the best - Denise Wadsworth.
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posted by friedfiche User
posted on December 04, 2007 at 02:27 PM
When, exactly, do you answer the phone? I have been trying to
get hold of you for three days and nobody seems to be there to
answer it?
Luv, Charlotte
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Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!!
posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on March 06, 2009 at 03:21 PM
edited on March 10, 2009 at 09:55 AM
J.G I might sound as though I'm contradicting myself on the Love
Spell issue, the point is the result was on its way,but I was
impatient,I tried to force the result into my timescale and not
let the Gods do their work,instead I just behaved like a saddo
and nothing is more off putting to a woman than desperation.
Even after that the Gods still presented me with another
opportunity in the winebar to go and talk to her,is that not a
result?
Its been nearly twelve years since I last saw her,but I'm that
confident now that I could re-work the spell (with a take it or
leave it attitude) for lustful purposes and she'd show up
somewhere and we could have a good time so to speak.
Two years ago my wife was ready for leaving me,worked the Love
Spell and she changed her mind within a couple of days,we're
still together now.
On reflection as someone has already said far better to ask for
your soulmate than waste time and energy with people who aren't
really comptable and
theres an excellent spell just for that on one of Marabas's
tapes/CD think its called Secrets of Incense and Powder
Magic,excellent stuff.
Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!!
posted by JG User
posted on March 06, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Denise, thank you for your reply. I was not having a pop at
Imperial Wizard or anyone else and if IW did feel I was doing so
then I apologise to him for the misunderstanding. In his earlier
message he said that he had gotten his result after giving up
and then later posting revealed he didn't actually get a result
but just gave up. I was only trying to get the full picture as
it did reflect an experience of my own. My posting was adding
with no malice.
Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!!
posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on March 04, 2009 at 02:51 PM
Hi again,yes JG its just as Denise says,don't try to force the
result by continually contemplating how it might or when it
might occur,but like I said it can be easier said than done
especially if your target has finished with you and you see her
about with someone else,this has happened to me in the past
where I've become obsessed with the lady and the result and even
when I was informed by an excellent clairvoyant that a
reconcilliation was in the pipeline,I went and blew the spell by
ringing the girl in question up just to hear her voice or
driving by her house just to get a glimse of her or to see if
she had another boyfriend,needless to say because of my
behaviour she did nt come back and eventually I got sick of my
obsession with her and undid the spell by undoing the cords on
the dolls.
Three months later on a date with someone else I saw her out in
a winebar and sat there thinking why had I got so worked up
about her,but I bet you I could ve asked to buy her a drink and
she'd have accepted and maybe we would have starting dating
again,however by then I couldn't have given a toss.
I've also found that using Love and Attraction oil works well as
a back up to the Love spell try and get it onto your target by
posting them un wanted flyers smeared with the oil (you get
through the
letter box,UPVC window firms Pizza menus etc)failing that
rubbing the oil on a photo if you have one.
Denise just out of interest do you think Obsession Breaking Oil
could help to stop any potential paranoia or lust for result
after spell casting?
Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!!
posted by JG User
posted on March 03, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Me again, this time it's the info burst I am asking about. Is
releasing the energies into the astral the same as releasing or
aiming them at your target in a lovespell? I understand what you
are saying about giving up on your wish and then getting it as I
think this is what I did and maybe Imperial Wizard was the
same(?) but I find it difficult to let go and still have faith
in it working. It is difficult to forget about something so dear
to you. Just my opinion, wish it was easier!
Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!!
posted by JG User
posted on March 02, 2009 at 06:29 PM
edited on March 03, 2009 at 08:46 AM
Hi Imperial Wizard, just to clarify, when you say "one of the
major obstacles is working a lovespell without lust of result"
are you saying that you need to be detached from your spell? I
understand the need to let it go but also that it is the
emotional desire that powers it is it not so that you must want
it enough for it to work?
Hope I haven't added to anyones confusion!
Also, has the person you worked the spell on come back to you at
some point for you to reject them? Just curious as I have had
similar experiences of someone turning up after I have met
someone else.
[Infoburst: Marabas teaches that the knack in magic is to evoke
the emotions as powerfully as possible and then to release those
emotions into the astral plane or at your target. By mentally
reviewing / anticipating results you retard the going forth of
the energies. This is why beginners often find that they get
their wish shortly after truly 'giving up' on it. By giving up
or turning their attention elsewhere their original magic is
allowed to hit the target.
All this and more is explained in Marabas's
Candlemagick Spellbook see here. So it would be wise for
any budding magician / spellcaster to get a copy - you can even
download it instantly right now if you like - see link. If you
need training on evocation and sending forth of energies then
Frater Sisto's Grimoire of The Shadows is just EXCELLENT! see
here. BB Denise Wadsworth ]
Topic RE: your friend needs to be honest!!!
posted by Imperial Wizard User
posted on February 24, 2009 at 01:36 PM
Just thought I'd put my tupenneth in on this interesting
subject,I think one of the major obstacles is working a
lovespell without lust of result,difficult to do when you really
want someone how do you put it to the back of your mind and not
think about it especially when you see your hearts desire out
with someone else!
Most of my successes with lovespells have come when I ve dated
someone else and lost interest or forgotten about the original
target,using Marabas's Spell kit has always given a
result,eventually.
Binding spells? An absolute walk in the park compared to
lovespells,then again destructive magic is always easier than
constructive magic isn't it?
Topic your friend needs to be honest!!!
posted by Leah User
posted on December 11, 2008 at 11:05 AM
at least, with himself!! Either he is in love with this lady, or
not. If so, why is he sleeping around? Buy M's lovespell kit, or
if he just wants to play, wear Ruthvah...........as for him
actually getting this woman............does he deserve her??
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by leah User
posted on December 10, 2008 at 05:12 PM
edited on December 11, 2008 at 10:39 AM
tell your friend the truth !! if he wants love he needs M's
<"http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm">
lovespell, **believe me it works **!! but if he only wants sex,
then
<"http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm">
"ruthvah" HE NEEDS TO BE HONEST TO GET THE RIGHT RESULT,
OTHERWISE HE'LL END UP WITH 0
[Infoburst: this message was truncated due to a fault in the
system - leah, please repost]
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Ms Terri User
posted on December 07, 2008 at 11:54 AM
edited on December 11, 2008 at 10:46 AM
I have a friend who wants to work a lovespell on someone because
he says he cannot live without this woman. But, he is looking to
have 'fun' with anyone else available while he waits for the
lovespell to bring back his 'true love'. To me he wants to keep
his options open and is not committed to getting back his woman
but his excuse for sleeping around is that he is letting his
magic go and getting on with his life as he waits.
My opinion is that I don't think he should work a lovespell on
this woman as anyone who truly loves another wouldn't be looking
to get notches on the bedpost with anyone else. He argues the
gods don't judge and he is only human. He tells me my way does
not allow the magic to work but his way lets it go. He claims
the gods will still give him what he wants despite this but who
is he kidding?
Opinions please?
[Infoburst: Let's not be so parochial; there's a big difference
between love and sex. Extra marital sex is an agreed arrangement
in some marriages where one partner is insatiable. A person can
love more than one individual at once. Marabas teaches
free-thinkers to step back to get a proper perspective.
Christianity imposes monogamy but in many areas of the world
polygamy is normal. As M always says - there is no right or
wrong way to live. If this guy is being immature then he will
learn along the way. Whether the gods will love him regardless
is another matter! ;-)BB Denise W]
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by JG User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Mr T, 31 October this year IS a Friday, the day for working love
magic but is NOT the Friday I would have worked it as it is not
the nearest Friday before the full moon. I was not aware of
Halloween being the time for working it until reading the link
to the flashmail. I just wondered if it would be better to wait
until 31 October. I assume that this would be ok whatever day it
was on provided it was worked at the correct planetary hour
which can be calculated by the use of the SA year planner.
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posted by MR T User
posted on October 03, 2008 at 03:49 PM
...YES THIS IS MY QUESTION ALSO........SHOULD WE DO LOVE MAGIC
AT HALLOWEEN 31/10 INSTEAD OF FRIDAY?? ADVICE ANYONE??
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by JG User
posted on October 02, 2008 at 10:45 PM
edited on October 03, 2008 at 03:51 PM
I have just been reading the flashmail link on here and saw that
halloween is the best time to work love magic. Would working it
on the 31 October be more powerful than working on the Friday
nearest the full moon does anyone know?
[Infoburst: Balancing all the multifarious psychic and cosmic
tides can be impossible but they aren't an on/off switch and so
come and go over a few days enabling you to make best use of
them and interpolate to get the maximum all-round energies. For
instance by working,a lovespell on the Friday following
Samhain/Halloween (2008) ad the hour of Venus. Halloween is
traditional for Romance magic to divine, for example, whether
your lover is true, and what your true love might look like
etc., and of course you can still do this as well as work your
lovespell the following Friday. If you do not yet understand
about the planetary, and cosmic tides, planetary times etc in
your magic you should obtain Marabas's Occult Year Planner which
not only gives timings and phases, cycles etc., but also teaches
you how to use them and other needed forces in your magic.
You can download it instantly from here. BB Denise W.
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by MR T. User
posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:07 AM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 02:35 PM
no........typo error.......this is a male/female spell....but I
only want to attract her to me for sex/casual
relationship........so should I use oil or a simpler ritual
instead??
All Lovespells are NOT equal. Read my posts earlier in this
thread about most of them being a waste of time and why S.A.
spells are therefore so much more valuable. Just because you've
done three doesn't mean magic doesn't work - it means you
haven't yet come across the right key for the right lock. The
myriad of interpersonal human needs coupled with the extreme
complexity of the cultures and domestic situations of some
contributors mean that one has to apply the magic to suit the
particular circumstances and to suggest that one size spell
would fit all in such extreme circumstances is trite. You for
instance do not apparently want to twin your destiny with
another for true love - you just want sex. In which case use
Ruthvah, it's a sexual attractant. Don't use a LOVE spell unless
you want love. The gods knew exactly what they were doing when
they denied you a result but your lack of wisdom meant you
couldn't see the message they were giving. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Ms Terri User
posted on September 04, 2008 at 11:28 AM
edited on September 05, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Isaac; You said this was Marabas's lovespell. Did you contact
him again as Denise advised and did things work out for you?
DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK??? posted by Isaac Ariah
posted on January 21, 2008 at 02:21 PM Reply to this Message
Any ideas anyone? I have done 3 on the girl of my dreams over
the past 6 months and still she does not want me!!
Suggestions please...................
[Infoburst; Just to clarify, is this a female to female
lovespell you are working because the balance of energies in the
rite has to be accounted for in such an instance. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS WORK???
posted by Bestarbeto User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 11:32 PM
"Try and remain indiferent to the results and just observe,
youll be nicely suprised "
That's the key
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS WORK???
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 09:33 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:10 PM
You sound like you need convincing. I could give examples of how
Magick has worked for me or better still point you to the
testimonials of others...
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm ..... But
thats just other peoples opinions. Experiencing Magick is the
best convincer. To build up some confidence try the "Quicky
Desire Spell" a few times and maybe the "Wealth Attracting
Spell" as they only cost 4 quid each. heres the link, just
scroll down...
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm .
Try and remain indiferent to the results and just observe, youll
be nicely suprised :)
Ricenpeas
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 06:39 PM
Hi. We were together for many years so I know we are soulmates
but does it really work? I have never thought about magic before
now and its through desperation. Have you done a lovespell and
got what you wanted?
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Ricenpeas User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 03:33 PM
Im not negative about Love Magick Annon. I think Loves
brilliant. You need to answer the basics for yourself as no one
else knows your situation better than yourself no matter how
much detail you give. Marabas s spells are designed for beginers
like ourselves and come with some great hints like "cast your
love spell to bring to you your SOULMATE". Wot could possably be
wrong with that.
Good Luck
Ricenpes
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 20, 2008 at 12:24 PM
I have never done anything with regards to magic but a friend
told me about this site. I have been split up with my partner
for over a year but I want him back. I don't know if there is
anyone else involved or not. Would a lovespell work in this type
of situation or do I need to let go and move on? People seem to
be rather negative about love magic.
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Marty User
posted on May 15, 2008 at 07:28 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:08 PM
I plan to do a lovespell on a lady but she is aware of my
involvement in the occult, will the fact that she may suspect I
am working a spell on her stop it from working or working as
effectively? Will she subconsciously resist the spell? We were
dating for a few months but it has all gone pear-shaped and I
intend to get her back.
[Infoburst: Well Marty, It doesn't really matter either way. If
your target suspects that you might be working magic on them
then it can actually increase the effect. Even if knowing gives
them the chance to take magical counter-measures. You can't
subconsciously resist magic because it is not simply a
psychological proposition (though some corollary effects of
spells do involve natural psychology). Anyway magic doesn't work
on the subconscious - it works on the unconscious and so you are
worrying unneccessarily. Have faith and do the spell
[P100 Spell for Love's Desire:
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spellins.htm ] BB
Denise W
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Topic RE: All I would like is a simple sex
spell posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 10, 2008 at 03:08 PM
How about a bottle of wine and some soft music? I wish my
problems were as simple as yours! It's not magic you need.
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Denise W. User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 05:59 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:07 PM
If you put 'love-spells' into Google you will get hundreds of
thousands of people flogging pee-wee love-spells. This probably
means there are more people selling love-spells than have
actually experienced True Love! We here at the S.A. have spent
35 years successfully offering genuine love-magic out to over
70,000 souls. Those people who have been unsuccessful using love
magic have either used pseudo-magic spells which even an adept
couldn't have got working, OR have crippled their own magic in
some other way which they are unaware of. You will not know
either way unless you try a proper tried and tested, genuine,
traditional magical love rite so goto
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm and scroll down to
our Spellkit for Love's Desire for the absolute best. Or look at
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lovemag.htm for some traditional
genuine love-spells in audio form which you can download
instantly and perform right now for just 4.97 BUT please don't
waste time procrastinating in this column in a debate about
whether love-spells work or not because this could be seen as
part of your problem; viz a lack of faith and an unwillingness
to open up and trust others. As Marabas always says. For an
answer to the without, look within. You have to be able to
differentiate between circumspection and a need for reassurance.
Several contributors to this thread are seeking reassurance that
they will not be made to look a fool if they put their trust in
magic and this plainly indicates a disbelief which has to be
overcome before any magic will work for them. It also may
indicate a difficulty in emotionally opening themselves up to
their intended partner/s and this could be the stalling point of
their relationships not the magic. The antidote is to trust in
the S.A. and just do the spell! BB Denise W.
Topic SEX SPELLS posted by
**ISAAC ARIAH** User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 03:14 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:04 PM
HAS ANYONE USED A SEX SPELL/POTION/OIL ON SOMEONE & IT DREW
THEM TO THEM??
[Infoburst: Yes yes yes yes yes yes YES. But why don't you just
TRY it Isaac?
Go http://
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testim2.htm to see feedback
from customers. BB Denise W. ]
Topic has anyone tried a love spell that
worked?? posted by Lilac User
posted on March 19, 2008 at 03:12 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:02 PM
please advise!
[Infoburst: Tons. How about the following from Linda of Weston
Supermare -
"I would just like to write to all you wonderfull people at The
Sorcerers apprentice and thankyou so much.
Because i bought the Spellkit for loves desire and did the spell
3 weeks ago,i am lost for words at the change around and the
spell has truly worked..The man i did the spell on came round to
do some doors and now we are having a secret sexual
relationship,he said he thinks about me all the time...." Linda
B
Don't believe it? Boo Hoo for you. Then go:
goto www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm
to see lots of personal accounts of how peoples' magic worked
for them unquestionably. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: All I would like is a simple sex
spell posted by Sheila User
posted on February 04, 2008 at 03:29 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:16 PM
[Infoburst: Well Sheila - Is that simple-sex as in the
missionary position or simple as in easy? ;-). Every GENUINE
love or attraction spell requires you to enter a state of
personal transformation. Marabas always says - Magic works on
the operator equally as much as the target and if the operator
is unwilling to move out of their comfort zone then they won't
get the results they require. That said you can simplify some
aspects of love magic. Natural love magic to attract tons of men
by using your own pheromones - for example. Marabas covers this
in his
OEXP051 Desire Attraction Spell which you can download
instantly right now from
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lovemag.htm
(scroll down the page to OEXP051 Desire Attraction Spell. ) read
up on it then click the buy-now button to download - at 4.97 you
can't get simpler or more effective magic; unless perhaps you
begin to use magical oils to manipulate your men. The ideal one
is Love and Sex oil B399 and if you haven't yet tried Snow Queen
P146 then you don't know what your missing for having them
buzzing round you like flies.
(see www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/magoils.htm for a list of
most used magical oils and application guide and
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ruthvah.htm for full details of
Snow Queen.
However if you REALLY want to englamour a man forever to your
wishes then you should go for
Marabas's P100 Spellkit for Love's Desire which is the way that
an adept would do it, but in safe steps that a beginner can use.
More details here All the best and happy hunting! BB Denise W.]
Topic can you use a poppet doll to entice a
man to love you posted by Meera User
posted on February 04, 2008 at 03:08 PM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:21 PM
[Infoburst: Yes Meera you can, but it takes a lot of knowledge
which by the sound of it you are not trained for. In which case
you should goto
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm and scroll down to
our Spellkit For Love's Desire P100 which is a unique
time-tested lovespell which involves making a doll of your
intended and binding him to you forever. Just follow the
step-by-step instructions. It's straightforward because Marabas
prepared it specifically for use by beginners but embodying his
vast knowledge and experience so they can't make mistakes. BB
Denise W. ]
Topic can you use a poppet doll to entice a
man to posted by Meera User
posted on February 04, 2008 at 03:08 PM
fall in love with you??
Any suggestions please?
Topic All I would like is a simple sex spell
posted by Mirah User
posted on January 29, 2008 at 04:38 PM
to get a special man into bed. We like each other very much but
we are both very shy.
What would you recommend?
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Genuine magick never fails - it's usually a fault in the
application or a misconceived idea of where to apply focus.
(e.g. It is a lot easier working a spell to make a man trip
under a falling tree than pick up a tree and drop it on top of a
man). You said you tried several spells. Which one of these was
from Marabas and why haven't you got back in touch to ask his
advice so that you can correct any application errors or change
the focus? Getting real help from Marabas is part of the S.A.
egregore - we WANT you to succeed and will persevere with you
until you do. YOu can get in touch with M at
fratermarabasATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk
BB
Denise
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 23, 2008 at 07:34 PM
No it was Marabas' spell.thanks
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Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 22, 2008 at 09:12 AM
edited on August 12, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Probably because you used rubbish spells. The vast majority of
so-called spells available on the net and in most modern books
are derivations of superstitious folk-lore which have little to
do with real magick. Marabas developed his famous P100 Lovespell
because of this in the early 1970s. He saw that the availability
of superstitious and pretend spells was actually a form of
black-magic in that anyone who had love for another person and
who worked a malformed spell would assume (like the other
contributor on this page) that the fates were somehow against
the union and give up, thereby losing their heart's desire and
making two people unhappy for the rest of their lives. Thus
Marabas created the Heart's Desire Lovespell P100 which embodies
high-magick precepts and which has stood the test of time. Of
course the usual thing happened and all the other occult
suppliers copied his idea since. However they had to change the
spell in various ways to avoid being sued and because of this
each of their spells is incomplete or corrupted in some way. If
you had purchased Marabas's P100 spellkit you wouldn't need to
write in to a forum to ask why it didn't work because Marabas
INSISTS that anyone whose spellkit doesn't work comes back to
him so he can fix it for them. Go back to the suppliers of the
spellkits you purchased and see if they are confident enough to
offer this kind of after sales service. I doubt it. BB Denise W.
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on Marabas's P100
Lovespell Click here
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/spelkits.htm and then
scroll down the page to Love-Spell.]
Topic RE: WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 21, 2008 at 04:49 PM
I have never found a love spell that works on particular
person.The only way that I have found them to work at all is by
calling for ones soulmate ie the person that, possibly unknown
to you, is the best person for you at this time! That way the
gods decide and so is far more likely to be successful.
Love spells generally fail.Perhaps its because we really need
sex spells? We think we love the person, but really we want to
get them into bed - and then decide if we love them!
Topic WHY DO LOVE SPELLS NEVER WORK???
posted by Isaac Ariah User
posted on January 21, 2008 at 02:21 PM
Any ideas anyone? I have done 3 on the girl of my dreams over
the past 6 months and still she does not want me!!
Suggestions please...................
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Topic where is the question on the succubus
?? posted by Piaf User
posted on November 18, 2008 at 04:16 PM
edited on November 19, 2008 at 09:21 AM
see above me
[Infoburst: Observe forum protocol. Starting a new thread simply
because one is too lazy or too arrogant to check and add to the
sum of existing threads will result in it being deleted to keep
the forum intelligible. Contribute again under Sex and Magic. BB
Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Watching yourself
posted by Paul User
posted on November 06, 2008 at 07:58 AM
"It's amazing isn't it, the first time you find yourself
standing outside your personality watching yourself go through
the usual games and ego strategies whilst you look on with
complete detachment?
Just don't tell your doctor. "
Yeah, based on my experiences with my doctors, they would have
no understanding of this other than to label us as
schizophrenics!
Topic RE: Wisdom posted by
Ricenpeas User
posted on September 26, 2008 at 11:54 AM
edited on November 07, 2008 at 02:58 PM
Magick has shown me I am on my own, but never have i felt closer
to whats around me. Watching the workings of my mind, and
exepting my mind is not me, is work in progress, but has so far
yielded much Wisdom. Im just entering my first relationship
since i stared Magick and we both feel the benifits of maturity
that Wisdom brings.
Im not going to tar all the doctors with their wonky Caduceus,
Doctor Nick in the Simpsons is 1 of my Heros.
Ricenpeas
[Infoburst: Well you are on your own and you are not on your own
depending on which end of the telescope you are looking into!
Marabas teaches that ultimately (cosmically) we are all one -
which is why magic is morally self-correcting. We may see the
universe through our own peculiar perspectives but the true
Illumination comes when we realise what The Brotherood actually
means. Moving outside oneself is the first stage in dislocating
the ego-self - and how tardy and small-minded do the
preoccupations of Life then seem? BB Denise W.]
Topic Watching yourself
posted by Julian Karswell User
posted on September 26, 2008 at 10:40 AM
It's amazing isn't it, the first time you find yourself standing
outside your personality watching yourself go through the usual
games and ego strategies whilst you look on with complete
detachment?
Just don't tell your doctor.
Topic Wisdom posted by
Paul User
posted on September 26, 2008 at 07:59 AM
edited on September 30, 2008 at 09:28 AM
I started out on my occult journey seeking power, sex, wealth
etc. That is probably why I gravitated towards the LHP. It may
have took me some time, but I have some of these things (not
necessarily through conjuring spirits/energy etc)!
BUT, as I learnt and progressed, the occult for me became a hell
of a lot more than power, sex, wealth etc, it opened my mind to
new perspectives and a greater understanding of myself, others
and the Cosmos.
This is a very interesting forum and there are lots of different
points of view. I just figured, maybe a post on wisdom, insights
and change of mind might be of use.
Some of my direct experiences have been: Seeing and experiencing
All is One; experiencing myself outside of my personality;
seperation from thoughts and emotions (as if they are my
internal weather); stepping outside of societal conditioning and
starting to think for myself.
These don't sound like much, but there is a lot to these
experiences and, to my mind, this is really the essence of a
spiritual path - to break out of constraints by changing
yourself and becoming conscious of the unity of All.
Anyone have any insight to share?
[Well said Paul. Marabas teaches that the gods will lead each
person to their destiny in many and various ways - none is more
nor less valid than any other and often the route is diverse as
each person must 'round-out' and become whole before they can
begin to move ahead. Frequently people's early transit of the
esoteric arts is, in the most positive sense, paradoxical as we
continually grow into new perspectives and knowledge whose
importance to our nature we were previously unaware. This is
wisdom. When newcomers begin to tread their chosen path with the
S.A. it becomes clear to them that Marabas's real work reaches
far beyond simply buying and selling things - it provides a path
to personal salvation which tens of thousands of good people
have successfully trodden before them. BB Denise W. ]
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Topic RE: Witchcraft and personalities
posted by JJ User
posted on November 04, 2008 at 01:51 PM
I quite agree Denise as I have had personal dealings with this
idiot as mentioned before. I saw his latest rubbish in a recent
womans magazine about halloween. Carylon is supposedly a former
wrestler (if you can believe any of his claims) which fits in
with his craving to be in the public eye but often he has had
unwanted attention from the likes of the Trading Standards which
he doesn't want to brag about on his website. I think he should
wear a big red nose to go with his red gown but thats just my
opinion of course....others are free to make their own mind up
about such people.
Topic King Kev posted by
Kev's grannie User
posted on November 04, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Isnt this the so-called White Witch (whatever one of those is)
who believes that Satanic Abuse is real and works with vicars to
prevent it? How exactly can an aging, tubby chap dressed in a
red bath robe (who thinks he's occultist royalty) help to combat
crime on our streets? I would love to know the answer to that
one.
Topic RE: Witchcraft and personalities
posted by JJ User
posted on November 03, 2008 at 10:45 PM
edited on November 04, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Kevin Carlyons latest claim to fame is that he travels the
country casting spells to prevent crime on britains streets. He
has to do something to get attention since claiming his spell to
protect Nessie was 'too effective'. Best join the travelling
circus Kevin, there is always a job for a clown!
[Infoburst: Quite right JJ, but often the antics of a comedian
are not taken tongue in cheek by the authorities.
You can read about how Carlyon's campaigns to get himself
noticed once contributed to a nationwide scare about Satanic
Murders in the U.K. which involved the police and even the
august Guardian fell for it hook line and sinker. So objects of
derision are not always as inconsequential as they might first
appear.
Topic Table Tipping and Misreading The
Messages posted by Denise W. User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 08:52 AM
Hi all, Denise here,
I have modified this thread but left most of it in to illustrate
how easy it is for genuine people to give offence when
intentions are misunderstood. Originally Rex thought AnnB was
talking nonsense because he apparently had not ever tried Table
Tipping. Anyone who has knows that the table can actually
'dance' about and often appears to be 'going for' someone in the
circle. AnneB's statement that she was 'chased' by a table made
sense to Table Tippers but not to Rex even though he is by his
own account accomplished in many occult methods. In turn AnneB
who has clearly spent her lifetime trying to spread love and
harmony was heartstruck at Rex's criticisms and angered enough
to nearly (but not quite) threaten him magically! So the wheel
turns and we all learn a little extra about ourselves and others
in the process. Good init? As Marabas always says 'The true
meaning of anything always resides in its opposite' :-) BB.
Denise W. ]
Topic Aleister Crowley
posted by AnnB User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 08:51 AM
Rex Many thank you for your apology and for apologising to
riceanpeas which was more important to me.
Your heart is probably a lot softer than you like people to know
Take care of yourself and your cat
Perhaps you would write on the cat site to boost it up
Topic To Ricenpeas & Ann
posted by REX User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Ricenpeas,
It was a cheap shot in hindsight. I'm a sad old git.
Couldn't resist the chance for a laugh.
Thanks for your reply. You're a lovely guy.
Ann, I do apologise for being ungentlemanly and sad.
From one cat-lover to another, Sorry,if I was harsh
and rude. And sorry for the 'fibber' word I used. I
do regret using that. Not nice of me.
I hope you'll forgive me, if not understand my point
of view.
REX
Topic Aleister Crowley
posted by AnnB User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Have just read your other message 30 years in Occult.
Table Tipping you are still evoking the thought that it was
untrue
It was frightening I can assure you but when its written down it
dis sound funny
Newcomers I hope will wish to try this and perhaps the lighter
things are told will help
I take my magic very seriously or I wouldnt be a trusted buyer
from the SA and am a good friend of many in the Occult
One who I may go to visit in her retreat
Many of the highest psychics in this country
So stop this silliness now
I think Denise will be happier
Topic Aleister Crowley
posted by AnnB User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Well it is good to be able to laugh at the event after. I can
quite see the funny side of it myself. Seeing as I am severely
disabled and unable to move sometime its nice to be chased by
anything
Rex I did not threaten you with a curse curses always come back
so I woldnt never even curse someone I know. All I said was I am
able to see what you look like its a curse in its way but helps
me in my work.
Just enjoy learning your art and concentrating on that and
perhaps your cruelty and rudeness towards women will disappear
Let that be an end to it. I have no heart for a fight my karma
is calm and thats the way it will stay
Topic GENUINE posted by
ricenpeas User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 09:32 PM
Thats was clearer Rex, thanks. There was much in Annes post that
you could have respectfuly challenged and turned into something
interesting. Weather she saw the table "chase" her or move in
her direction maybe a matter of taste and dismissing the
possability with humor (though i did giggle) was a bit cheap.
For myself staying a Novice up until my last experience should
eleviate the feeling of being GENUINE about anything.
ricenpeas
Topic RE: Table tipping
posted by REX User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 09:27 PM
edited on July 03, 2008 at 08:40 AM
Ann,
You may be very genuine, I may be wrong. I did poke fun.
I apologise. But please don't use veiled threats of curses
or whatever. My whole point was I thought the implication
of being chased was bad for the image of genuine occultists.
Regards, REX
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Topic Psychic phenomena, etc.
posted by REX User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 08:32 PM
To Rice n'Peas, Ann, all,
Please let me clarify:
Yes I poked fun at Ann. A GENUINE ADEPT would not put such a
comment about
being 'CHASED' on this forum which will be read by newcomers and
also non-
occultists and therefore reinforce stereotypes and horror
stories associated
with psychic experimentation. I have over 30 years experience in
occultism and
have seen many strange phenomena including objects being moved
by unseen
energies whether by spirits or by psychokinetic effect. Such
things can and
will occur and anyone who spends years in mediumship and psychic
experiments
will attest to that. However stories about being CHASED by a
table are what
I would expect from an over-imaginative teenager. Call it
intuition if you
will but I can tell truth from fiction. Spirit communication
especially when
one is part of an established circle is not about such
dramatics. I will not
post on this subject again. Readers can decide for themselves.
About the 'rat-arsed' thing, my humour. For the record I'm 99%
teetotal.
No dutch courage required. Falklands veterans know about real
and imagined
fears.
REX
Ann wrote:
believe me or no the table practically leapt off the floor I
even turned my back on it and it chased me I have been chased by
many things but never a table it was quite an experience Having
practised witchcraft quietly from the age of 16 when I first
used a ouiji board (not a good idea)
Topic RE: Troublesum Tables
posted by AnnB User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 05:14 PM
Rice@Pease Many thank yous for your birthday wishes I shall
enjoy my birthday very much with all my little ones.
And thanks also for your support it is greatly appreciated
By the way I love your name
Topic Aleister Crowley
posted by AnnB User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 04:06 PM
For one Rex dont call me dear in that supercilious tone I do not
fib at all if you have never experienced this dont denounce
people who really are into the magick and enjoy it
I can visualise you quite clearly so be careful my friend
As I said before
And will repeat again
An it harm no one do what ye will
If you wsh for further confrmation I can give you the name of my
teacher and where we were but that also would be not enough for
you
How sad you must be
Topic Troublesum Tables
posted by ricenpeas User
posted on July 02, 2008 at 01:02 PM
edited on July 03, 2008 at 08:37 AM
Rex...sounds like you need to clock up some temple time, get
some of your own experiences and stop dissin others. Realities
are observer based and
yours seems to be a bit limited.
OEXP015 Psycokenetic Effects will put a few hairs on your chest
but Rex... you have to DO it, dont just read and prejudge it.
AnneB. Lovely post, you seem to really enjoy your Magick. Best
Wishes and Birthday Blessings. RiceNpeas a wee Novice
Topic Table Tipple ?
posted by Rex User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 08:56 PM
edited on July 02, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Ann,
I'm horrified to read your story. I bet you needed a stiff one
(drink) after
being chased by that table ! Or were you totally rat-arsed
beforehand ?
Really dear, you're just being a fibber and it makes you look a
tad silly.
Take care and watch out for haunted furniture.
Rex.
[Infoburst: You've obviously never tried table-tipping have you
Rex? BB Denise W. ]
Topic Table tipping posted
by AnnB User
posted on July 01, 2008 at 08:04 PM
Is this the right forum for this forgive an old lady (64 on
Thrsday)if not but my late husband came through very strongly on
this at a circle I attended the other week usually those
touching the table dont get messages but believe me or no the
table practically leapt off the floor I even turned my back on
it and it chased me I have been chased by many things but never
a table it was quite an experience Having practised witchcraft
quietly from the age of 16 when I first used a ouiji board (not
a good idea) a such a young age I know but it was so accurate it
predicted a son in 64, married twice so far this has come
right.Just to finish know its on the wrong forum site but I have
always used my Renaissance for many years do you consider Denise
that some cards are suited some you always find the ideal ones
or they find you.ALso my Goddess cards I do every morning just
for myself are always correct have tried others but these felt
so good when I touched them for the first time.My son brought me
some second hand ones but they had a very bad touch so have put
them away.
Also I think it not wise to broadcast your knowledge to loudly
on the site it can come back and bite you
AN IF IT HARM NO ONE DO WHAT YOU WILL
Topic Occult Census posted
by JK User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 09:36 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Hi Ann,
Nice to hear from you. I'm sure most on the forum can relate to
your being
just a normal person, and I'm glad your path helps enrich your
life.
The Occult Census by the SA (
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/census.htm ) is a
fascinating look at the views and
practices of people of many occult paths from their voting
preferences
to how much and what type of magic they do, etc, and also has a
section
on pets owned by Witches, magicians, satanists, etc. It's quite
a good
read for non-occultists as well, especially those put off by
media
stereotypes and pretenders.
Best regards,
JK
Topic RE: Witchcraft and personalities
posted by Ann B User
posted on June 21, 2008 at 04:27 PM
hERE i GO AGAIN PRATTLING AGAIN. I am a normal housewife, who
practises witchcraft it is not something evil or something to
throw around as a game it is serious If people wish to exploit
their"witchiness" it shows a lack of consideration to people who
genuinely believe it is not a hands behind whispers it is
something one should do. Most of my closest friends know of my
religion and although they dont confer with choice they have
enough love for me to leave me to my beliefs. Too much is made
of the badness try looking at how it your attitude to life and
people and nature can be improved by studying the right path.
Topic Marabas' Wicca Lesson
posted by JK User
posted on June 16, 2008 at 06:36 PM
edited on June 24, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Has anyone on the forum NOT read Marabas' Occult lesson on
the false origins of Wicca. It is beyond excellent. I'd
love to prattle on about it but I'd be telling too much.
next time you 'hear' anyone 'talk' about WICCA you'll smile.
Please get it when you can, as well as his Beginners guide
to Paganism and Witchcraft. Great stuff.
JK
[Infoburst: Hi JK, Glad you liked Marabas's OEXP069, How to
pronounce 'Wicca' has become something of a shibboleth amongst
occultists in the know! ;-)
See
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm and scroll
down to OEXP069
BB Denise W. ]
Topic Witchcraft-Gardner.
posted by Draconuit. User
posted on May 23, 2008 at 07:51 AM
edited on June 17, 2008 at 09:55 AM
I find it amusing, if you mention Aleister Crowley to a Wiccian,
they tend to shriek 'Devil! or somesuch horror concept. And yet,
if you read Gardners Book of Shadows, the copyright concessions
are: Magick;part 4, and huge chunks of rituals involving The
Star
Goddess are exact extracts from Liber Al vel Legis, The
cornerstone
of Mr. Crowley's Religious formulation: Thelema. It gets
stranger!
My Human Guru, knew Mr. Gardner, who was trained and initiated
by Crowley! Knowing of the rift between Wicca and Crowley, told
me this , laughing/crying (same thing to Him). Check it out,The
Wiccian
Star Godess is Nuit, Godess of infinite Space, and The Infinite
Stars Thereof! Here, I find humour, it's hilarious! Book
4;Magick,
& Liber Al are clearly copyrighted, proof. Any Wiccian
opinion?
[Infoburst: Sorry Draconuit I can't let you get away with that.
M says that there's a world of difference between the idea that
Crowley, a one-time friend of GBG, wrote a lot of the prose for
Gardner's original book of shadows, (true) and then insisting
that Crowley initiated Gardner (untrue). Why would Gardner want
to be initiated into hermetic magic when his own Modus Vivendi
had always been the promotion of neo-paganism? BB Denise W. ]
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posted by JJ User
posted on May 22, 2008 at 09:42 AM
Hi, for a true insight to Kevein Carylon go to
http://www.occultforums.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=342341#post342341
and then make your own mind up.
Topic RE: Witchcraft and personalities
posted by Denise W. User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 01:45 PM
edited on May 22, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Well David, There are misguided fools and there are egotistical
maniacs in every sub-culture and often the worst are the loudest
so you will have to develop discernment as this is the only
protection beginners have. For example Kevin Carlyon would not
be the person we would direct you to if you want to join
mainstream, genuine witchcraft. A notorious self-publicist who
will apparently jump through any hoops for the British tabloids,
Carlyon has a long track record of misleadingly representing
genuine witchcraft and paganism. You can find out the type of
thing by reading The Lewes Satanic Death Curse Report which
Carlyon was peripherally involved with. Interestingly enough
this can be downloaded instantly from our website right now for
just 4.97 - it makes EXCELLENT reading and lifts the lid on
clowns of his ilk.
Goto www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/lewesrep.htm and prepared to
be astounded.
Topic Witchcraft and personalities
posted by Anonymous User
posted on April 29, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Kind of in response to Scott's posting being a male beginner
to Witchcraft, I have a question about personalities in Wicca:
Is Kevin Carlyon a genuine powerful Witch or a charlatan ?
I've Seen him on TV a few times and he claims to be 'THE witch'
when referring to others like Gardner/Sanders and their
followers.
so what is real witchcraft and what is rubbish to avoid ?
Also, re Sanders/Gardner were they adepts or pseudos ?
Best to all, David.
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posted by Paul User
posted on June 23, 2009 at 06:18 PM
So what draws you to the conclusion that you can call yourself a
witch?
Topic RE: Witchcraft Confusion
posted by NICOLA User
posted on June 22, 2009 at 04:00 PM
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.I JUST SARTED TO GO BACK TO ST PETERS
A CATHOLIC'S UNDERSANDING OF ANGELS ARE DIFFERRENT, GOD'S ARMY
TOTELEY IN CHARGE .UP THERE BUT WITH A GRENTCH BOSS. NOT A
GIUDENCE
CONCELA. AS FOR THE OTHER I TRIED A SELF WORTE RETEVEL SPELLES
ONLY ONE WORKED. IF YOU KNOW A BETTER .ONE i wOULD BE GRATFUL.
Topic Witchcraft Confusion
posted by Nicola User
posted on June 19, 2009 at 04:04 AM
edited on June 21, 2009 at 01:23 PM
Can I still class myself as a witch even tho Iam working with
mostly angels. As I havent use spells for a very long time? I
also goto a
regular church. I was brought up catholic.
[Infoburst: I'm sorry Nicola but there's no other way of putting
this - you just don't know what you are talking about and sound
as though you are 11 years old. I'm sure your church-going
acquaintences would be the first to call you a witch (smile) and
there are many hundreds of thousands of self-declared New Age
witches who would agree that you can easily become a witch
simply by calling yourself one (tortured grin), however the
truth of the matter is that any person who thinks that working
with angels might disqualify them from being a witch is so far
off track that the best thing they can do is withdraw back into
the clutches of churchianity. If you really want to understand
about paganism and witchcraft then read Marabas's Beginner's
Guide To Paganism -
(click here for more info) it will save be a revelation to you.
You can even download it instantly, right now, and change your
life. BB Denise W.
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Topic Witch doctors, sacrifices, Uganda
posted by William User
posted on January 11, 2010 at 02:52 AM
edited on January 13, 2010 at 05:36 PM
Interested to know what anyone makes of this sort of thing
due to air on the following rado and TV programmes.
As believers in the supernatural what should we make of
the 'spiritual' side of it ? are these practitioners
really in touch with gods and spirits who command child
sacrifice ?
Crossing Continents - Uganda: Battling the Witch-Doctors will be
broadcast on Radio 4 at 11am on Thursday.
Newsnight - Uganda: Battling the Witch-Doctors will be screened
on BBC2 at 10.30pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/uganda/6944292/Human-sacrifices-on-the-rise-in-Uganda-as-witch-doctors-admit-to-rituals.html
[Infoburst: It's media hysteria and you should not even be
considering it as genuine following the SRA myth a decade or so
ago.
Remember, in the 15c YOU would have been burned
at the stake for sacrificing children!
Read this: Read this for
the truth. BB Denise W.
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Topic Witches Bible posted
by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:15 PM
I have this book it is really worth having
I strongly recommend it.
Topic Witches Bible posted
by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:15 PM
I have this book it is really worth having
I strongly recommend it.
Topic Witches Bible posted
by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:15 PM
I have this book it is really worth having
I strongly recommend it.
Topic Witches Bible posted
by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:15 PM
I have this book it is really worth having
I strongly recommend it.
Topic RE: Witches Bible (Farrar)
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 06, 2008 at 01:41 PM
Hi,
The Witches Bible is excellent, if you've read too many of the
fuzzier Wicca books you should read this. It is actually two of
the Farrars' books in one (Eight Sabbats for Witches and the
Witches
Way). It is maybe a bit 'coven oriented' but other than that but
your other books will balance that off. I would recommend
getting
it.
John.
ps. the authors have a website which will explain their beliefs
at
http://www.wicca.utvinternet.com/
Topic Witches Bible (Farrar)
posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 06, 2008 at 11:21 AM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 03:52 PM
Greetings to everyone,
I am wondering about a book called 'The Witches' Bible' by Janet
and
Stewart Farrar. I've heard very mixed opinions but never so much
as
seen the book's cover.(Can't access SA booklist at present for
their
recommendation). I hear that they are 'evolved' Alexandrians if
that is the right way to put it ? Anyway, I have Buckland's
complete
book of Witchcraft, Cunningham's Solitary Wicca, and Marabas'
Beginner's guide to Paganism/Witchcraft. Am I missing anything
this
book can fill in ? Some are put off by the word 'bible' meaning
maybe a fundamentalist approach but also some think this is THEE
book on Witchcraft. I am very new to Witchcraft/occultism and
would
appreciate any help here, Thank you.
[Infoburst: Hi. The Witches' Bible contains two very influential
works by the Farrars (Eight Sabbaths for Witches and The Witch's
Way'). Before Stuart Farrar passed over some years back he was
in fairly regular touch with Marabas and used to visit the S.A.
Farrar was originally a tabloid journalist and was introduced to
Witchcraft by Alex Sanders (the 'progenitor' of 'Alexandrian'
Witchcraft) . Farrar did a piece on Sanders, a publicity junkie,
for The NoW in the early 1970s and was so intrigued that he
personally converted to 'Alexandrian' (an eclectic mix of
Solomonic Magic and traditional Witchcraft ). Marabas says
Stuart Farrar saw the potential in the burgeoning Neo-Paganism
and wrote a (for the times) seminal book titled 'What Witches
Do' [now tame but excellent for the times]. Once Farrar had
plumbed the depths of Alex Sanders knowledge (took about a month
;-)) Farrar moved into promoting 'Wicca' as a more 'moral'
message to Neo Pagans. His writings are extremely enlightening
and provide an excellent start for beginners.
The S.A. has featured this 'bible' for over a decade and you can
obtain a copy from here -
. BB Denise W. ]
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by AnnB User
posted on July 09, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Alice I forget to mention (senior moment) that meditation can
greatly help if there is a group circle you an join this would
be good as everyone learns from each other I have been in one
run by a very dear friend who has rheumatoid arthritis this lady
is a wonder refuses a wheelchair works on an allotment with her
husband(no digging of course) and is in the Outreach service of
the Samaritans So go forth young lady grow and learn
BB
Ann B
Topic Wot is N A n posted
by AnnB User
posted on July 08, 2008 at 08:28 PM
Alice I too have various problems but they could be used to make
you stronger. My back is broken so it makes life hard at hard
together with a bad heart and ME but from these problems I have
learnt to look at life differently to see how kind people are
and the beauty of nature Many illnesses as Denise explains are
psychomatic and can cause the problems to seem far worse. Take a
deep breath look at what is good in life write down all that you
have and you will see howgood life is Take heed of Denise she
will set you on the right path she is a very good and wise
person.I find now also that people are wonderful when you slow
down if you're on your own take strides to elevate the
loneliness.
Take Care you seem to be a young person and as RiceandPeas says
Hurrah 4 Magick
BB
AnnB
Topic Nymphomaniacs posted
by John User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 01:47 PM
Hi Ricenpeas,
Thanks for the info re male nymphomaniacs. The flavours sound
interesting, not so sure about male ones though. Cheers mate !
John.
Topic RE: True Will posted
by ricenpeas User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 01:25 PM
Thanks for that anon. I cant compare my 3 months serious
Magickal study to that of most on this forum and the line
between Understanding and True Will is work in progress so nice
one for the tip. I take it that morals as the genaral public
sees it dissolves at the point of realising who you are and how
you fit in.
I have had 2 interventions by the NAN comunity as my Dad was
part of the tribe and nothing was private. The first was for
reading Crowley and the 2nd was for leaving out a piece of paper
with some early study on sigils. I was quite young and they
broke me both times using the words like "morals", "greed" and
the like both subjective and easy to bully people with. I still
meet with the NAN comunity and my step mother is a Reiki Master
enough to spark interest in NOX. Thanks for the chat.
John, so as not to dissapiont i would like to make clear that
nymphomaniacs are available in many different flavours including
Male. ;)
Ricenpeas
Topic Spells, etc posted
by John User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 12:18 PM
edited on July 11, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Hi Alice,
Firstly I am far from an adept IMHO but making some steady
progress
because of reading and applying Frater Marabas' writings.
I would
recommend to anyone Marabas' Candle-Magick spellbook which will
explain everything you need to know about how you can work your
own magic and should suit your needs. There's also many
alternatives
on the SA website and downloadable lessons, and many items
dealing with prosperity and health.
Best regards,
John.
Topic RE: Wot Is N.A.N.
posted by Alice User
posted on July 07, 2008 at 12:03 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 02:47 PM
HI JOHN, I ENJOY READING YOUR POSTINGS..........can you tell me
what is the best spell for me to use to be more "abundant" and
attract prosperity to me.
I have had many health problems which have made me too ill to
work, so I just wondered if there was anything you would
recommend?
Thanks so much for your time, Alice.
[Infoburst: Alice, you are not helping yourself - you are
adopting the guise of a victim and appealing for some big daddy
patriarch to wave a magic wand and put everything in your life
right. Marabas teaches that anyone in a crisis is there because
the gods have put them there in response to their
intractableness. That is, the gods have warned them in various
ways over the years but the person has not taken notice, blamed
someone else for their position or dodged the issue with the
hundred and one excuses that the Ego uses to avoid having to
actually get themselves up out of the state they are in. He
teaches that Magick is a technology to empower and aid people to
release this downward spiral and bring a more harmonious and
'successful' state. This will only happen if you take
responsibility yourself for where you are at this moment in
time. Some illness is genetic but most illnesses are
psychosomatic and in occult terms M teaches that all illnesses
are a symptom of energy imbalance. Thus the prime criteria for
putting your life in order is to regain and retain your health.
His OEXP072
and OEXP073
explains how to do this in great detail and you can download
them RIGHT NOW so you have NO excuse not to act. THEN come back
and ask about wealth spells which will be the next step on your
road to your cosmic emancipation. Be Blessed, Denise W.
Topic RE: Wot Is N.A.N.
posted by John User
posted on July 06, 2008 at 12:31 PM
A nymphomaniac doesn't sound too hard a chastisement to me.
(Is there really such a thing ? Seriously I think its a very
outdated and sexist word but I get your point. Maybe your
acquaintance should have had more iron in his diet or something)
I think I could take the risk ! But I could relate to your
postings anon. Know-Dare-Will-Keep Silent: First came across
that on my old Weejee board. Nice.
Best regards,
John.
Topic RE: True Will posted
by ricenpeas User
posted on July 05, 2008 at 07:11 PM
Thanks Anon. Thats great stuff. give me a few days to digest
that and i will post back.
ricenpeas
Topic True Will posted by
Anonymous User
posted on July 05, 2008 at 05:12 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 03:02 PM
To my mind True Will is the Tao. It is being attuned to your
own path and at harmony with nature and the Universe. All
is One at the highest state and I don't think you can really
understand without deep insight meditation, Mindfulness
training,
Zen or whatever method suits you. Morality is likewise only
really understood through personal intuition. Do What thou Wilt,
Yes, or to put another spin on it 'the truth will set you free'.
Every Man and Every Woman is a Star = we each have our own
unique
orbit and our own light, but it is also set in the order of the
Cosmos. Also meditate on the great formula 'Know-Dare-Will-Keep
Silent.
[Infoburst: Too True Anonymous, Marabas teaches that at this
point in the circle we are all separate but at the opposite end
of the universe we are all one. When the initiate atones (at
ones) with the cosmos through ASCs brought on via magic or
meditational methods they realise exactly their own
responsibility to themselves and others and see that
perpetrating evil onto anyone else is as unhelpful as
perpetrating goodness onto anyone else. The art of creating
harmony (finding wu wei as the Taoists have it) frees onself
from Samsara (the round of the illusion of cause and effect) and
liberates the Self to a point at which everything comes together
and is seen as a dependent part of the whole. Black and White,
Good and Bad, up and down, in and out, etc. are the same things.
It is only the ignorance of our perception which sees them as
anything different. As Marabas is fond of saying: 'The true
meaning of anything always resides in it's opposite' To truly
KNOW a thing is to conjoin with it. All those people who refuse
to understand this are the ones who perpetrate evil on this
plane; no matter how well intentioned.
Read Marabas's Secrets of Mind Control and see! (http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/mindcont.htm
) BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: Wot Is N.A.N.
posted by Rice n peas User
posted on July 05, 2008 at 02:26 PM
edited on July 08, 2008 at 03:08 PM
Thanks Anon. Thanks for your post. I think i met the same
nymphomaniac as your mate. Wasnt the worst lesson ive ever
learnt, but it did teach me to say No and stand my ground, very
dificult given her wild charactor. Was it worth it
though....(smile)
I am spending a lot of thought on "Do what thout Will be the
whole of the Law. Love is the Law. Love under Will." and
comparing that with "Nothing is true, all is permited" I dont
thik iether of these statements say "do what you like and screw
the rest" as i have been NANaly informed. For me today it means
finding out who i am, how i fit in through experiencing. I do
have a question. What is the difference between true Will and a
moral compass.
Nice One
Ricenpeas
[ Infoburst: Good thread RicenPeas, you are hitting your wu wei.
Marabas liked your 'NANally retentive' phrase and says he hopes
to see it used more often on the forum. BB Denise W. ]
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posted by Anonymous User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 09:23 PM
A person without resources is in a bad position to help himself
and even
less able to help others, so drink first from the well then
there will be plenty of water left, ie: Magic for personal gain
will/could get you in a better position to start being of use or
at 'square one'. The gods will ignore greed anyway. They may
acknowledge need, sincerity and your True Will.
Magic is not dangerous unless you are irresponsible in which
case the Universe
will either ignore you or chasten you. Greedy people aren't at
one with them
-selves and may find their wishes coming true will actually be a
chastisement.
That nymphomaniac might actually turn up. I know someone this
happened to and
he couldn't get rid of her for a long time !
manipulation is a fact of life and we need a moral compass here.
We manipulate
animals and the environment, and getting that coveted job means
maybe dozens
of other hopefuls will be distraught. This is life, it is
unavoidable but
we can only each do our best. Not all manipulation is bad though
and you have
to beware that competition and struggle are part of the human
condition
from the race of millions of sperm to create YOU to the
pheremones on your
skin attracting the opposite sex to start the cycle again.
Topic Wot Is N.A.N. posted
by RicenPeas User
posted on July 03, 2008 at 06:57 PM
Thinking out loud here and would love to bounce my thoughts off
others, old and new, so feel free to chuck in wot you feel. A
few of the many ideas that have been forced upon me during my
youth and slowed my development were these.
Magick should ONLY be practiced for the good of all. Never for
PERSONEL gain.
This is such a vauge statement but my response is this...if
everyone took responsability for there own health, wealth and
happiness doing Magick for themselves, the people that say these
vauge statements would become obselete.
Doing Magick is dangerous
Magick works, o yes it works. Wishes do come true, so, as they
say becareful what you wish for. This does not meen stop wishing
coz its dangerous, just apply a bit of self analysis. Enchanting
for a flash car to compensate for a small personality is not
gonna solve the problem and maybe stretchin the universe a bit.
An invocation would be more suited in this case and a lot would
be learned. Doing Magick thows up challenges as does life itself
and in my experiences people who are frightened by Magick are
running away from life and themselves. On top of this is the
genuine shock when magick does work. Because of the fear
generated about occultism all sorts of superstitions pop up.
Superstitions that disapear with a simple banishing ritual or
even a giggle if they were to persist
Magick is about manipulation.
This gets dressed up in so many ways, the words controll and
power get thrown around as if they where super corruptering
forces and again proportions get thrown out of the window. We
all manipulate. All the time. Its a constant. Doing Magick makes
us aware of it and as a result we benifit from it. People who
say Magick is manipulation are just trying to manipulate the way
you think.
My point here is to rant. I hope you can relate. if not thanks
for listening. In either case you views are evolving as are mine
so throw them down and lets see how they unfold. Everything is
true, All is permitted.
Hoorah 4 Magick
RiceNpeas
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Topic RE: xist? posted by
ethericsoul User
posted on April 16, 2010 at 05:53 PM
Hiya
Thank you for explaining this to me. I should have asked ages
ago, but kept thinking Satanist, Fundamentalist, etc.
Topic RE: xist? posted by
Denise W User
posted on April 15, 2010 at 08:23 AM
edited on April 15, 2010 at 08:24 AM
Hi all,
JobbyJoe is half-right. Originally the term Xist was coined by
Chris Bray of the Sorcerer's Apprentice to represent the mindset
of nominal Christians - that is people whose parents considered
themselves Christians but who rarely went to church and only
passed on their religion nominally to their kids in rites of
passage such as weddings, births, deaths etc. Such people assume
Christianity and its mores are the 'norm' and are so
indoctrinated as children that Christian 'values' become a
reflex thought action which pop up in their decision-making
processes whenever they are under stress. Hence the term Xist
applies to those who have not yet liberated themselves
spiritually. People who are nominal Christians who can be relied
upon by the fundies to exhibit a pre-programmed hypocrisy and
hostility to other beliefs in predictable ways in situations of
stress or conflict which ALWAYS favours the Christian agenda
even though they may not always realise what that is nor how
damaging it can be to a multicultural society in general.
Note that Xists was not originally meant to be a derogatory
sectarian insult but based on the premise that the minds of
Xists are spiritually unliberated and therefore they do not Live
but simply Xist (exist) in a twilight world of continual
ignorance. It is this miasma of illusion (known to Qabbalists as
Yesod) which has spawned the obscene excesses of the Media and
what passes for 'entertainment' which so ably directs and
corrupts the minds of Xists into a zombified populace ready to
do the bidding of their masters.
For more information on this see Secrets of Mind Control here.
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: xist? posted by
Jobby Joe User
posted on April 15, 2010 at 01:49 AM
Think xmas
Topic xist? posted by
ethericsoul User
posted on April 14, 2010 at 04:32 PM
Hiya
Can someone tell me what Xist means? Just that I see it in the
SA's writings such as the Monographs but nothing explaining what
it actually means.
Thanks
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Topic RE: Zen, meditation and Siddhis
posted by Denise W. User
posted on February 05, 2008 at 01:42 PM
Hi Nimmo, all,
Marabas teaches that the Lotus position is not absolutely
necessary for Westerners who do not have flexibility in their
limbs. The important thing is that the pelvis is turned upwards
and forwards under the spinal column to straighten and lengthen
the Pingala and Ida psychic channels on either side of the
spine. This is achieved automatically when in the full lotus but
the same position (nearly) can be achieved simply by sitting on
a hard chair with one's legs locked underneath and this position
is ideal for 'oldies' and others who have not yet been able to
articulate their joints fully in Hatha Yoga. The Siddhis are
considered simply indications of progress (inadvertent
phenomena) on the way towards the ultimate and will occur
naturally as one progresses because the Self will 'stumble' upon
them as the development progresses.
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: Zen, meditation and Siddhis
posted by Anonymous User
posted on February 02, 2008 at 02:58 PM
Best books I ever found were by Anagorika Govinda - absolutely
blowing away the confusion that can sometimes exist between
eastern and western systems.He even uses the word 'magic'
throughout!
Topic RE: Zen, meditation and Siddhis
posted by paultheseer User
posted on January 31, 2008 at 04:35 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Hi,
Just found this excellent board. I was initiated into an Eastern
Esoteric Order and in the higher degrees the siddhis are taught,
you should read the Upanishads as the answers can be found
there. With regards to the Lotus position it is recommended
mainly because of energy flow (kundalini) but also discipline of
the body. Personally I have never found it useful, like all
occult practises it is how you are comfortable. The key to the
siddhis is the breath and intention (kriya) also useful would be
anything by Swami Anandakkapila Saraswati (John Mumford) his
work is excellent particularly the tattwa cards for clairvoyance
etc (as used by the GD) I found that a mix of eastern and
western methods can work very well, one gives you the ritual
element and the other gives you the inner or mystical angle.
Paul
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on
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http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/elementl.htm ]
Topic Zen, meditation and Siddhis
posted by Nimmo User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 09:18 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Does Anyone have a background or experience in Zen
Buddhism or similar meditation based yoga, etc
with an insight into developing 'Siddhis'
(supernatural powers, clairvoyance, etc), and
does traditional Zen teach this ? Also, why do
many Zen masters insist upon developing full lotus
position which seems near impossible for myself..
Does it really aid in the quality of the meditation
(zazen seated meditation) that much or is it just
for austerity's sake ?
BTW: Anyone interested in meditation, check out
Marabas's OEXP on Taoist meditation which in a few
pages outdoes any couple of hundred page zen book.
Best for the Holidays,
Nimmo.
[INFOBURST: For more information and prices on Marabas's
OEXP073 Taoist Meditation ]
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm and then
scroll down the A-Z list to Taoist Meditation. ]
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Topic RE: Money and the Gods
posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 09:55 AM
edited on January 25, 2008 at 09:56 AM
HI UVRAY me again, Secondly about the working out of magic: I
think you may have misunderstood my posting. I am AGREEING WITH
your conclusions on magical attitude - not contradicting them. I
agree that one has to put body and soul into one's magic. I
agree that the results will occur in unforseen ways and that
many of these will commence with very small and subtle changes
and opportunities which, if watched for and seized at the right
moment, will inflate the magic and bring success. So there is no
disagreement between us on that.
However I am surprised that your approach to magic is so
self-limiting. The axiom 'that which is possible is permissible'
is not a provocation for anyone to take someone else's life, it
emphasises the fact that everything which is possible must also
be in some way permissible. Such as, (in respect of your
illustration about killing someone) when a serial killer is
executed in the U.S. by the state for the 'better good' of
society. Or when an ordinary guy is given a gun, trained how to
use it and sent to Afghanistan to shoot strangers because of
some political ideology he usually will not understand. Or when
a victim of mugging kills his attacker in self defence. Etc. The
axiom does not condone irresponsible action of any kind - it
simply underlines the fact that if it is possible then by
qualification it must be permissible in evolutionary terms,
which means ultimately that we humans have a great deal of
freedom of action and must understand our individual
relationships with it and MAKE THE MORAL CHOICES necessary
rather than accepting self-limitation by rote. The fact that
you, like me, would not countenance harming another, makes no
difference to the truism of the axiom.
None of this contradicts your (correct) assertion that Magic is
Self Empowering. It is BECAUSE 'that which is possible is
permissible' that magick becomes self-empowering.
By the way. Shamans 'fly' all the time!
BB
Denise W.
Topic RE: Money and the Gods
posted by
denise.wadsworthATsorcerers-apprentice.co.uk User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 09:35 AM
Hi UVRAY - You made three good points. First about the gods:
Let's go into it in detail so there's no room for ambiguity. It
doesn't matter whether YOU believe in the gods or not - THE
UNIVERSE BEHAVES AS THOUGH THEY EXIST. That means that you do
not HAVE to believe IN the gods but if you do not take account
of them in your magic it is likely to miss it's mark. Links with
the gods exist also, latently, in the minds of every sentient
entity. As an LHP devotee you should know this. Due to the rise
of the Empire of Academe and its strangelhold over education it
has become fashionable for those self-taught occultists who have
been indoctrinated into scientific materialism at school to
modify the Ancient Wisdom into a pastiche of science. Marabas
says that this is probably due to an insecurity of belief which
brings fears that they may be 'ridiculed' by their equally
indoctrinated peers if they believe in ideas which are thousands
of years old instead of the 'discoveries' of the last century.
Marabas will not stand for such compromises. One can certainly
try to ignore the gods, and deny they exist but that only makes
you more vulnerable to their affect on your Nature. Personally
my experience of the involvement of the gods in magic is so
absolutely incontrovertible that without rancour I must say that
you must either do very little practical magic or have to work
very had indeed to avoid stumbling upon them. It would be better
not to state repeatedly that you don't believe in the gods as
though challenging those that do. It is one thing to say that
you choose not to believe in the gods, and quite another to
infer that you don't believe in them because they don't exist.
If you are still unsure please start a separate thread on this
subject so that others can contribute and educate us all. This
will avoid fractionalising the focus of one thread with an
ongoing debate over whether or not the gods exist. BB Denis W.
Topic RE: Money posted by
Denise W. User
posted on January 25, 2008 at 09:28 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Questions positied in this forum are considered hypothetical and
answered as such because other surfers have no idea of the
complexity of the querent's situation, nor what breadth of
magical skill or experience they have. You can either have
anonymity and get hypothetical answers which may offend you or
give personal details so that others can advise fully and not
make assumptions. Your choice. Commentators are only likely to
posit hypothetical answers to your questions if your questions
are incomplete or malformed. As Marabas says, the question is
often of more importance than it's answer. If you don't ask the
right questions you won't get the right answer. For example.
It's no use asking if money magic works because the answer is
obviously yes as our testimonials page on this website shows
[http://wwww.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testim2.htm.] The real
question is: 'Will money magic work for me in my unique
circumstances which I will detail below .... list of conditions
....... and if so how should I go about it?
Topic RE: Money and the Gods
posted by UVRAY User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 07:32 PM
You see, Denise, I wasn't referring to "deserve" as a form of
karmic value.
I was referring to the effort one must put in. In effect, I am
positing that one cannot simply sit back and wait for the
results to fall into our laps. You must remain aware that
magical results come in many forms and in perhaps being lazy we
may well miss an opportunity that comes our way because of
magic.
Personally, I do not believe in God or Gods. And I do not
believe "Anything" is possible. Magic won't make us fly, for
instance. Magic works in concurrence with nature and as such
there are parameters. Which is why I postulate that above all
magic is self empowering.
Neither do I accept that everything is necessarily permissable.
Personally, I do not use magic to try and kill someone, for
example.
Topic Money posted by £man
User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 04:51 PM
There would seem to be a lot of assumptions as to what kind of
person I may or may not be! Puretongue offered good advice which
I thank you for.
As a matter of interest has anybody else found money magick that
really works. I think this question is as valid and as important
as any other question on this forum.
Topic RE: Money and the Gods
posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 12:05 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Magick MUST by qualification offer the improbable. Usually it is
the limited awareness of the user which bars them from success.
Where they are at is the result of past actions (or non
actions). They must gain insight before the gods open up to
them. However, it is clearly not the case that one must
'deserve' something in order to succeed in getting it. The City
of London is full of people who do not 'deserve' their wealth.
If they can succeed materially in that way then why not £man?
Many people come to magick as a last resort and in such
instances magick does work for them. Over 35 years our files are
BULGING with testimonials from people who have changed their
lives miraculously. S.A. surfers fall into two camps.
Esotericists who are involved in the long-term development of
their spiritual evolution based on initiated techniques - and
people who just want to get themselves out of debt, gain love,
etc. and change the course of their life. It is important for
advanced occultists not to impose their world view onto others
and limit the possibilities - after all, if magick IS magick,
then nothing is impossible and everything is permissible.
UVRAY may be right - if £man is a selfish, person who is
unwilling to transform his life for the better the gods will not
respond, but it is important for £man to have the facility of
trying because in many instances the magick WILL work. Of course
as Marabas teaches that the REAL wisdom is in deciding whether a
lottery win will improve or destroy the quality of one's life!
[INFOBURST: To see case histories of people who have succeeded
using magick log onto
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/testimon.htm - To learn initiated
views on destiny & karma read Marabas's
OEXP066 on Karma by going to
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm]
Topic RE: Money and the Gods
posted by Puretongue User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Creative Moneymaking by Denning & Phillips is the best all
round balanced magical method I've used so far. It bailed us out
of a very difficult time some years ago.
Topic RE: Money and the Gods
posted by UVRAY User
posted on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 AM
>> Astral Gold spell only brought small amount.Need big
amount! <<
Accepting the premise, as you allude to in the title of this
post, that benevolent Gods are sitting up there handing out such
rewards then I am afraid they will only award you what you
deserve.
Perhaps you've been a naughty boy and only deserve a small
amount.
:-)
Seriously though, what amazes me with many of the questions I
have seen on this forum since its inception is people's
assupmtion that all one has to do is perform a little magic and
then sit and wait for the results to fall into their lap.
Magic is, above all, self empowering.
Magic + action = results.
As I say, you get what you deserve.
Perform your magic and then be astute. Results might not fall
into your lap but an opportunity to achieve your goals probably
will. One has to be astutely aware of the subtle nuances of
magical workings.
.
Topic Money and the Gods
posted by £man User
posted on January 23, 2008 at 07:33 PM
New thread for views on money magick! Anyone done a spell and
hit the lotto jackpot? Advise on best method!Astral Gold spell
only brought small amount.Need big amount!
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Topic **ISRAEL REGARDIE** absolutely brill !
posted by Zara P User
posted on March 14, 2008 at 02:39 PM
and second to none.
Purchase any of his books and see for yourself!
Zara P xx
Topic Most powerful Books, etc...
posted by Jon User
posted on February 06, 2008 at 09:47 PM
edited on March 19, 2008 at 05:34 PM
In my opinion, William Grey is great. I also liked Laurence
Gallian's work and that "Poke" Runyun fellow was not bad.
Marabas's short magickal texts are REALLY cool too IMHO.
One thing I like best is when William Grey actually has a
practice schedule in order to develope the feeling of the
various principles that you'll be working with in Magick. He
actually has a practitioner spend time in order to develope
understanding of each principle of earth, air, fire, and water,
or to develope each kabbalistic principle, etc.
I think the neurological basis for this is sound because the
neural pathways in the brain that work together for
understanding and feeling of each principle get excercised.
Wilhelm Reich said, "Today's Step is Tomorrow's Life." And
that's a very magickal principle in itself.
[Infoburst: I agree with you Jon. W.G.Gray's writings were
classics of the occult almost from their first printing. He used
to visit Marabas and our shop here in the old days and had a
very commanding presence. His Magical Ritual Methods and Tree of
Evil (one of a handful dealing with the Qlippoth or averse QBL)
should be on every initiate's bookshelf. BB Denise W.]
Topic RE: telephone wizard quickie desire
spell posted by Anonymous User
posted on January 16, 2008 at 09:08 PM
edited on January 18, 2008 at 04:26 PM
that's rather a large assumption. doubts mean one stuck in a
materialistic mode? as far as testing as a lone
individual...there's the placebo effect, so I dont think asking
about other peoples' experiences might be is some horrible
thing.
from what Ive read pheromones can be a complicated thing.
I purchased a welz orgone generator years ago, put an attraction
sigil that came with it in front of it and some of my hair and
went out on the town. I had some success...however, imagine my
surprise when I came home and realized I hadn't plugged the
thing in (it's electrically powered).
btw ive purchased some items from the SA by mail order some 12
years ago.
[Denise Replies: You've just proved my point. It wouldn't be a
surprise to an initiate that the magic worked whether it was
plugged in or not. Doubt is poisonous to magical success -
critical questioning is another matter but then why bother when
you can just DO the magic - suck it and see? BB DW.]
Topic RE: most powerful magic books
posted by Darkorder User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 06:55 PM
Hi Denise to your question no i was not saying that.I meant you
take what fits your perferance from books,and make them fit
you,not you fit the books. Books are important to gather
information,so you can make a decision as to which path you wish
to take,but its how you feel about the information which is
important not the context,if it feels right, then it is right,if
it does not feel right it must be wrong for you.I am sorry if i
came across as though books are not important,because they for
gathing the right information for yourself.I was just saying you
can't take all the information from just one book,but
many.Blessings Chris
Topic RE: most powerful magic books
posted by Denise W. User
posted on January 15, 2008 at 02:51 PM
Hi Darkorder. I think it is clear from the scope of your
contributions in this forum that your claim not to have been
influenced by books is a real one. Denise W.
Topic RE: most powerful magic books
posted by darkorder User
posted on January 14, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Hi all,i must say that my veiw is there is no powerful magic
books,you can't learn from books,you just take information which
suits you.The true book is in you,you are the book,all the
information is already in you,you have just got to open it.No
book can tell you how to breath,you just do,just look within and
you will find.Plus there are no true answers,everyone thinks
different so magic must be placed in those differences or it
just wont work.Take what you will from different books but don't
treat it as fact,look within.
Topic telephone wizard quickie desire spell
posted by wondering User
posted on January 13, 2008 at 07:13 AM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:42 AM
I just ordered this tonight...i admit the prescribed procedure
leaves me a little skeptical...it was cheap though so Im not too
stressed....has anyone tried and used this with success? If you
want to share yr experiences that would be great.
[Denise Replies: Jeez... Not another who finds a belief in magic
so primitive that they fear losing their materialistic
arrogance. 'Wondering', If you are so unsure of yourself that
you can't come to grips with what is, then asking for the 'what
is' from other people won't help either. The simple answer is to
Suck it and See! How do you think the Sorcerer's Apprentice got
to be the longest lasting, largest, most honourable occult store
with over 70,000 clients worldwide if our spells didn't work?
You are right. You ARE a sceptic and unless you shift your mind
from it's dependency on scientific materialism your magic won't
work.
Try the Love Attraction Spell on
www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm - it's simple but
effective. Try it and see. BB Denise W. ]
Topic RE: most powerful magic books
posted by John D. User
posted on January 09, 2008 at 04:29 PM
edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:40 AM
I'm sorry Patti but you've either not explained yourself
properly or you are just not well enough read to suggest that
books are dispensible and that all magic 'must come from
within'.
Marabas teaches that to draw knowledge from the Anima Mundi on
command the operator needs to know structured magical methods
wich can only be learned from others. Ideally this should be
from a mentor or guru but any teacher worth his salt will have
already published his discoveries so a wider audience can
benefit from them.
There is
no better way of reprogramming our own minds than by reading of
the discoveries and experience of others on the path.
There are THOUSANDS of essential classic books each of which can
change the direction of a person's life utterly - from the Yoga
Aphorisms of Patanjali, through Agrippa's Natural Magic, to Lao
Tze's Tao Te Ching and the hundreds more, many of which feature
in the S.A.'s booklist
(see http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm ) These
classic books contain gems of magical knowledge which is
unsurpassed and unavailable anywhere else. They are
indispensible. What is important is that every true seeker
realises that trustworthy guidance IS available in printed form
if you know where to look.
The real answer to this question is that when the questioner has
invested enough insight and time in learning about his Self and
the esoteric options which might suit his nature then he will
then be able to focus his question in a way which will bring the
right answer. He should read books on ALL aspects of occultism
until he finds one which intuitively fits. Marabas advises on
this in detail in his very valuable primer on occultism for
complete beginners which can be read free on the S.A. website
(http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/gateway.htm)
BB Denise W.
Topic RE: magic:PAtti.
posted by Patti User
posted on December 28, 2007 at 04:12 PM
edited on January 15, 2008 at 02:56 PM
Red Dragon,
Just back from surgery; sorry for the delay in response.
Everyone makes mistakes and I hope this board is tolerant of
those who do. I really don't mind being criticized or poked fun
at, so keep annoying, checking or whatever-if I am a spade
today, perhaps a heart tomorrow (lol). And if you are my banana,
perhaps you will see that I can have a sense of humor when
warranted. ¿
However I would like to say that I do question people who
comment anonymously... why hide? Reveal yourself and defend your
position! Differences make this world a place I enjoy being in!
Perhaps the real reason for hiding is that if people knew who
was commenting, someone would be less likely to post
unproductive personal attacks???
Pastlifwizard, don't let anyone (even me) give you 100 of your
opinion; take what sounds true in your heart...try different
things to see what best suits you. Not everyone is going to
agree or like the way things are presented, but take the time to
sort out useful tips from ego. You will find that the benefit
was worth the time.
I wish every Wiccan and Pagan a wonderful New Wheel!
Patti
Topic RE: magic:PAtti.
posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 24, 2007 at 01:52 AM
Whoops, I was tired, re-reading, 'outline' makes a lot of
difference, I, stupidly, didn't take that in. Apologies most
sincere to you.I actually agree totally. At present, I'm either
your annoying banana,
or caring stargazer. That was pure error though, all in orbit.
you're about to be annoyed/checked by the annoying/ caring Red
Dragon again: spade is a spade.
(You can get rid of me, "go away" would work.)
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Topic magic posted by
Patti User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 05:55 PM
Red Dragon, if you only agree 40% and believe that my advice
depends on the path that you are on, I can accept that-I am
always open to other thoughts. So what book out there would you
suggest to our new friend that will give specific directions to
work that anyone could follow and experience the same exact
results (or better) as the person who created the spell? That is
not meant to be argumentative: that comment is meant to ask if
you have found anything in your "travels/studies" that could
possibly equal the results of anything you have performed that
you written yourself.
By the way-Mr. or Ms. Bananas seems to think I do not have a
sense of humor... I do. I just don't find fruit funny. :)
Topic Most powerful magick books.
posted by Red Dragon User
posted on December 23, 2007 at 07:22 AM
One must agree 40% with Patti, though i say, this depends on
your
chosen path; E.G. The holy qabalah, if your path be
quaballistic;
etc. However, your diary, or book of shadows; a record of all
Magickal workings, meditations; and the results thereof.
Topic RE: most powerful magic books
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 05:42 PM
And as Dai Vernon said ''Watch those angles!!''
Topic RE: most powerful magic books
posted by Patti User
posted on December 18, 2007 at 01:26 AM
The most powerful magic comes from you. Not by performing
something that someone else has written. Other people have many
good ideas, but when you use that as an outline and make the
spell or Ritual your own, THAT is true power.
Topic most powerful magic books
posted by pastlifwizard User
posted on December 17, 2007 at 05:07 AM
what are the most powerful known magic books?
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Topic RE: Witches mill, Isle of Man
posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 20, 2007 at 09:58 AM
Thanks for the response, very interesting. Being Manx I can
understand what you mean about superstitions - with all the
Manannan, little people, Buggane/giants, Subterranean lands,
Moddey Doo/black devil dog, white lady, talking mongoose etc.
myths, stories and legends (although I believe the chained
vampire grave was just a way of getting round burial laws for
someone who committed suicide). I can`t say I`ve noticed the
general populous to be particularly sensitive to spiritual and
magical things, is this a leyline type of thing?
- There is a kind of ritual where people write down their wish
and attach it to a tree on the fairy bridge, It seems fairly
popular but doesn`t seem to be taken very seriously - Cheers.
Topic RE: Witches mill, Isle of Man
posted by Anonymous User
posted on December 19, 2007 at 03:51 PM
Hi and welcome to the forum. Marabas says that The Witches Mill
was a partnership between Gardner and Cecil Williamson (who
later owned the Boscastle Witches Museum for many years). It was
a pioneering and courageous attempt to present a unified public
approach to Witchcraft and paganism and they cleverly presented
it as a kind of holiday-resort experience in the most
superstitious and other-worldly empathic location in the U.K.
(People born in the Isle of Man are highly sensitive to
spiritual and magical things) The fortunes of the Witches' Mill
rose and fell with the British holiday industry. At one time
hundreds of thousands of workers from Merseyside rolled off the
ferries for their two weeks in the I.O.M. but sixties overseas
package holidays in the sun was the death knell for mass tourism
in the Island. Disagreements eventually surfaced. Williamson
hived off and started a Museum of Torture in the I.O.M and then
moved on to Boscastle where he reorganised a new Witches'
Musuem. After Gardner's death control of the exhibits from the
I.O.M. went to Monique Wilson who after a few years sold up to
the Ripley 'Believe it or Not' company and most of the stuff
went into storage in the U.S.A. A few years later what was left
of the exhibits was, we believe, bought up by an American Pagan
alliance - though it has to be said that key relics of GBG's
were never exhibited or included in the sale anyway. By today's
standards the Witches Mill was somewhat amateurish but well
worth seeing for genuine seekers.
BB Denise W.
Topic Witches mill, Isle of Man
posted by HeadsAkimbo User
posted on December 15, 2007 at 04:28 AM
Hello, great to have an S.A. forum. I just wanted to know if
anybody here is familiar with the museum of magic and witchcraft
ran by Gardner in the 60`s,in Castletown on the Isle of man.It
was sadly before my time, did anyone visit? - If so was it any
good? Thankyou.
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